101 East -Malaysian conversion Controversy- 07 Jun 07 -Pt 2

[Graymoths]

Why are we even having such a discussion with two religious representatives? It should be among the liberal-minded like Farish Noor, who actually understand the issues at hand and not see things in a distorted, religious perspective. Because they're just going around and around the subject, trying to find an excuse to justify such a huge injustice in the country.

[naturewar]

A baby born from a moslem parent, the baby will automatically convert to moslem. The baby absolutely no choice and force to sign the contract and force to accept the punishment in future if there is a possibility the baby want to convert to christian.

Talk so much, until the end...... the result is moslem cannot convert to other religion, if not, you will be punish!

[ericssson]

fuck that stupid country

[bonkersblock]

These people are ruled by bunch kniving chinese! who hide on the veil of islam to justify thier greed!

[good2freelance]

Human are so smart and yet so stupid.

Religious conversion is illegal ?

That means they shouldn't convert to Islam or other religion hundreds of years ago !!!

[jadeyap92]

@good2freelance In history, in the beginning of Muslim religion, they are allow to leave or enter the religion as free as they like. However, in the whole wide world, only Malaysia and Indonesia have this law that the child is born in a Muslim family must be Muslim.

[mattcase9]

@jadeyap92 well this is what happens when u mix politics and religion. u get Malaysia.

[AngryRobot87]

@jadeyap92 u r absolutely wrong there, most muslim countries, i dare say probably all, have the same law.

[flamenin]

I think, its not as simple as some have suggested in the past comments, Somehow, Lets imagine, if Malaysia, were more secular, but are still active, in the Religion departments, I Think, it will be more mingling of race, and ideas, Studies have shown that, immigrants in Britain, whose Kids are born and educated there, grew to be more religious than their parents, I mean, it shows, that there is no need, for this law in this first place. u can have a common moral law agreed by all, and ...>>

[flamenin]

leave the rest to God.. Malaysia is a great country, in its rawest form, it has great ecology..and so on, and has raw materials. unlike Singapore, where i am from. But, what i really wished for, is that, the Malays there to be a more Globalised Muslim thinkers. Its true, that, Malays in this entire region, are very tribal centric, its very dangerous, its arrogance, will take away, the true beauty of Malaysia

[hasnasal]

Mlaysian should have the right to choose which law they want to be governed stated in their ID. Religious law or constitution law. I am moslem and I detest the Idea that I am subjected to two diffrent set of laws when my non moslem friends only have to abide by I set of laws. I feel that I am the minority in my own country. Please abolish religious laws in Malaysia....!!!

[megatsyazlee]

Farish noor closing comments is right. The tragedy here is we allow politicians to use religion and racial arguments to dissect and antagonist us. Where instead we should all unite. N together fight for our common rights. Cant u guys see, their making us bicker with each other so that we would be divided, we must have solidarity so we can fight for all of our rights. These people must be reminded that they work for us not the other way around..

[rightclique]

Just take out "Religion" category out of the ID card. it should not even be there in the first place.

[RoGuEclaud]

Farish Noor is the most liberal malay i've seen yet and I've had many liberal malay friends. *salute*

[yunna86]

Oh I didn't understand how serious it was to change religions in malaysia......Now malaysia is identical to Islam.I mean i think everybody should be given the freedom to choose which religion to follow.

[1mimilala]

"punish" people for not believing?? i think God would rather have you believe in Him because you truly and sincerely believe in Him and not because you were born into the religion.

[izatkhairizat]

to me, those who converted from islam should be punished with a set of conselling sessions! not imprisonment!

[lach119435]

didn't u watch the other videos? about that indian guy who married a muslim and his wife was taken away to some brainwashing facilities? That I consider counselling.

[izatkhairizat]

brainwash or preaching?? wats the difference?? i dont see any difference there..

[IHaveOneEarth]

@ Tareq88,

Get straight to the point next time!

It's good to quote but your using too many!

Peace.

[Tareq88]

lol

[oratorspeaker]

wow you forgot about your prophet's child wife

[izatkhairizat]

learn islamic history dude.. prophet have to marry a child due to the rulings at that point of time. girls who are over the certain age of puberty should be killed or be sent to the king as slaves if found unmarried. so, the prophet, who controlled an army and against slavery and killings have no choice but to marry this child. in islam, a male and female who are after puberty shouldnt be living together or be close to each other. so the prophet married the girl who is a daughter of his bestfren

[lach119435]

he married a child (someone way younger than him) so that she can live long enough after he died to pread his words and wisdoms. That's the reason why God decreed him to mary that child.

[darshinidevi]

thnx for correcting... but u get get wht i'm trying to say...

[darshinidevi]

wow.. I'm not a muslim.. but wht u are calling a religious figure respected and prayed to by many is very degrading... of yourself! fuck a child? dude.. not cool..

[Tareq88]

Well, coming from a 37-year-old Irishman who has videos of half-naked teen girls on his favorites list, it is obvious who is being evasive and BSing.

[Tareq88]

LOL did you try logging into my Youtube account? It says I needed to reset my account along with all these replies to my comments on this video. Nice try kafir.

[Tareq88]

Wow, were you molested as a child and one of your many potential fathers got killed in Iraq?

No, no, let me guess. You had father issues, right? You just need some discipline; that's why you can talk as tough as you want behind your keyboard but will never actually say this to a muslim in person.

When a kafir who makes up lies insults my religion, well I take that as a compliment.

[Tareq88]

In the past, children were not perceived in the matching sense that we distinguish them, to be today. The view was changed gradually, which is due to new theories that began supporting these changes in collective judgment.

I'm only bringing up the ages of consent which were less than 100 years ago, and yet here you are ranting like an ignorant f*ckhead about a religious figure who lived over 1400 years ago.

[Tareq88]

By 1886, Delaware was the only state to retain the common law age of seven, while twenty five states set the minimum age at ten.

[Tareq88]

Little over 100 years ago, the age of consent in the US for marriage was 10. California was the first state to change the age of consent from 10 to 14, in 1889. After California, other US states joined in.

The French penal code raised the age from 11 to 13 only a century ago. In England, it was only in 1929 that the minimum age for the marriage of females, which was 12, was abandoned.

[Tareq88]

As Muslims, we do not allow pedophilia and rape as you falsely attribute them to Mohamed (pbuh). Here's an idea! Give me a reference where you found this act. Dirty, foul language, caveman mentality and aggressive stupidity. I'm sure many Muslims are flattered you went through the trouble of creating your username to demonstrate how only a dumass would fallaciously trait crimes to one of the greatest religions in the world.

[Tareq88]

Why would you call Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) a pedophile child rapist?

[Tareq88]

Quran(2:256)

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things."

[Tareq88]

Quran(24:54)

"Say: 'Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message)."

[Tareq88]

Qur'an(42:15)

"Now then, for that (reason), call (them to the Faith), and stand steadfast as thou art commanded, nor follow thou their vain desires; but say: 'I believe in the Book which God has sent down; and I am commanded to judge justly between you. God is our Lord and your Lord: for us (is the responsibility for) our deeds, and for you for your deeds. There is no contention between us and you. God will bring us together, and to Him is (our) Final Goal.'"

[Tareq88]

Qur'an(10:108)

"Say: 'O ye men! Now Truth hath reached you from your Lord! those who receive guidance, do so for the good of their own souls; those who stray, do so to their own loss: and I am not (set) over you to arrange your affairs.'"

[Tareq88]

Quran(10:101-102)

"Say: 'Behold all that is in the heavens and on earth'; but neither Signs nor Warners profit those who believe not. Do they then expect (any thing) but (what happened in) the days of the men who passed away before them? Say: 'Wait ye then: for I, too, will wait with you.'"

[Tareq88]

Quran(10:100)

"No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand."

[Tareq88]

Quran(27:92) "And to rehearse the Qur'an: and if any accept guidance, they do it for the good of their own souls, and if any stray, say: 'I am only a Warner.'"

[Tareq88]

Quran(10:99-100)

"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand."

[rokstar6223]

fuck youuuu blackshit!!!!!!!!! you fucking pedopile, stupid terrorist!!!!!!!..could you please suck on my dick?...

[Tareq88]

Hey kaffir, Islam doesn't tolerate faggots like you. You're lucky you're not living in Saudi Arabia or they would have thrown your gay ass over the edge of a cliff, to prevent the spread of aids and whatever disease you're swarming with. Oh, and do kindly fuck yourself.

[rokstar6223]

Just when I think I've read the stupidest post ever, you go and post another. You should offer your posting style to hospital operating theatres or to a brothel which full of muslim bitch!!! lol. hahahahaa......FucKKK YoU SATAN!!!!!!Islam can suck my dick!!!!!

[rokstar6223]

heyyy Terrorist Islam DOG!! do you fuck a 9 years old? like your TAIKO Muhammad the bastard shitt??? maybe when your fucking Satan GOD handing out personalities, you must have been holding the door. You're so boring, even a boomerang wouldn't come back to you. If I had wanted to talk to somebody with your personality, I would be at the damn pet store talking to the lizards. ..

[rokstar6223]

Maybe you wouldn't come across as such a jellyfish-sucking mental midget if you weren't so dumb that even a muslim bitch tell jokes about you; ...FUCK YOU MUSLIM SHITTTT!!!!!!!!!

[Tareq88]

Quran (15:2-3)

"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them)."

[Tareq88]

Musylama Al-Kathab, who became Muslim and left Islam, started his army of ex-Muslims and pagans in what is now Oman, which is more than 1,000 miles away from Mecca and Medina where the Muslims resided.

[Tareq88]

During Abu Baker as-Siddiq's era, many people left Islam because they didn't feel like paying the 2.5% annual charity, and they were unharmed.

[Tareq88]

No, during Mohamed's time the only apostate who was killed was the one who raised an army of 40,000. His name was Musaylam al-kathab, who claimed to be a Prophet and made up his own verses.

[Tareq88]

Well, I went overboard with the ugly name. Sorry, to anyone reading my comment. This guy just caught me in a bad mood. But yeah, NO where are we instructed to jail, murder or discriminate against apostates.

[panzeyman]

Here's a question:

If i'm a muslim turned ANYTHING... why do i have to still answer the court of a religion i no longer believe? y are u forcing me to STILL follow a religious law i no longer believe in? u're just making a mockery of ur own religion by forcing a now heathen to believe in it.

By the way, Mr Lee makes a terrible representative for Christians and Constitutional Law. Thanks to his 2 cents worth of thought.. the conversation is totally OUT!!!

[lbjk1129]

Some ppl like to twist words to make themselves feel better...I just pray for ppl like these...there's no need for hatred...just love & prayers...that's all you need...

[angelicverses]

Some" 180°-twisted" texts in the Bible;

In Christianity, Jesus said "Love your Enemy, pray for those who hate you".

(The actual word was, "Hate your enemies, and kill those who hated you")

In Judaism teaching (in the 10 commandments) "Thou shall not kill".

(The actual word was "Thou shall kill thou enemies"..

The Bible says, God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son to die for YOU.

(The actual word was, "Allah wants you to send YOUR son to DIE FOR HIM!"

[Tareq88]

According to (Matthew 23:1-3):

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.'

[angelicverses]

Dalam hal ini, baginda Rasulullah s.a.w. telah memberi satu garis panduan berhubung dengan golongan murtad berdasarkan sebuah hadis yang tegas daripada baginda yang bermaksud: "Sesiapa yang menukar agamanya (Islam), maka kamu bunuhlah dia". Hadis riwayat Imam Ahmad, Bukhari, Abu Daud, Tirmizi, Ibnu Majah dan Nasa~ie.

[Tareq88]

Islam can defend itself without killing anyone or looking for faults in other religions. It does not need your approval because you are a hate monger.

[Tareq88]

Angelicverses, find me ONE verse in the Qur'an where apostates deserve death. The fact you are criticising the Qur'an, pointing out to that verse, is quite comical because you are helping it prove its point.

[rokstar6223]

you and your dumb comments may sound clever to those retarded muslim but trust me PRICK!..you just sound stupid to me! maybe it' would be better for you to teach your fucking terrorist muslim cousin around the world to behave like a human rather than being a satanic terrorist killing innocent people....fuck islam, fuck muhammad the terrosist shittttt!!!!!!!!!! and last but not least...FUCK YOUR ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!

[Tareq88]

I'm really not trying to sound clever LOL

I just want to know why you have to avoid replying to me, even if all you can muster for an intelligent response is vulgar language and comments about sexuality and human body parts only schoolchildren giggle about when hearing in the playground.

You must have really convinced yourself I am a terrorist, since you're too scared to reply. OMG, better look under your bed or in your closet, a Muslim might be lurking!

HAHA what a dumass you are.

[rokstar6223]

avoid replying your stupid post??..you must be joking??? who are you?? saddam hussen??? Osama ben Laden??? hahahaha u're just a piece of Islam SHITT!! who care about you?? fuck you again Islam DOG!!come on blackshittt!!!.... haahahahaha.....yes..i use vulgar words but i dont kill people like your people BASTARD!!!!!!! fakkk Q!

[TheMuslim7]

who said only Islam kill people???

Don't be so stupid!!!

Even DOG can be cleverer than you...

[allahlovesmycock3]

@TheMuslim7 so what else would u guys do to apostates and crtics of islam?

[angelicverses]

Jesus teachings:

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." (NIV, John 13:34-35)

The religion of peace:

Sura (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

[Tareq88]

Jesus approved killing Apostates.

Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods, do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

[defiant212]

Sorry to burst your balloon. but Deuteronomy is part of the Old Testament, the teachings of Jesus are contained in the New Testament.

[Tareq88]

really defiant? Jesus also says in (Matthew 5:17-18),

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Trick question: Did the new testaments come before or after Jesus died? lol

[rokstar6223]

hahahhahaha that's the version of a stupid terrorist muslim shitttt...LOL..you're funny blackshitttttttttttt!!!!fuck you!!!!!!!

[Tareq88]

What a pussy you are. I guess I really must be terrorizing you if you're too scared to reply.

Why didn't you just reply to me comment instead of posting a text comment?

[whackoes2]

no satanic verse comment pz.

[whackoes2]

if islam not existed..world will more peaceful..less war..if u r not retarded u will agree with with this..

[whackoes2]

why there are some muslim want to convert to christian? the answer is simple..bcoz they have find the truth!!!Amen..hopefully more of the converted to christian...

[brick4sale]

Wait did he just say that some Muslims were calling for her death and that was a little bit misguided. How about immensely wrong.

[asperin]

so the director general of islamic understanding believes apostasy is punishable,not by quran of course,but at the end he gives his opinion on should the woman be able to change her religious status on her ID by saying yes....contradicting himself there.