I think this perfume might be of the light type Sir Issac Newton.Fishy in her little dishy.Ichthys Jesus Christ Son of God and Saviour.Saviour the light!
One more masterpiece offered by a greek remaining in history of human culture. They can't destroy you, doesnt matter how hard they try. Thank you for giving the light to the world.
a true inspiration for all who seek their own Ithaca... good luck to all and remember to enjoy the journey...
"Κι αν δεν μπορεις να καμεις την ζωη σου οπως την θελεις, τουτο προσπαθησε τουλαχιστον οσο μπορεις: μην την εξευτελιζεις μες στην πολλη συνναφια του κοσμου, μες στες πολλες κινησεις κι ομιλιες. Μην την εξευτελιζεις πηαινοντας την, γυριζοντας συχνα κ'εκθετοντας την στων σχεσεων και των συναναστροφων την καθημερινην ανοησια, ως που να γινει σα μια ξενη φορτικη."
One great example how poor are the English for Poetry ! The voice of Sean Connery which is excellent, cannot express the real words and meanings written in Greek.
Our ''international'' language - English - prooves at this poem, that is a perfect language for commercial use and basic communication , but cannot reach in anyway the real depths of soul that Greek language does, with this masterpiece of Cavafy..
much as I like Sean C, it wasn't great. the accent makes it difficult to understand and the mushicality is losht. as for the English translation is actually good. those who say the original is better...buzz off not everyone speaks Greek. besides...no matter how good a translation is, it's never as good as the original.
αυτή η εξαίσια φωνή με την καταπληκτική προφορά, σε συνδυασμό με τη μουσική του Παπαθανασίου μπορούν να ταξιδέψουν την Ελλάδα σε όλον τον κόσμο. Μπορεί να μην μεταφράζεται ο Καβάφης χωρίς να γίνει "χαμένος στη μετάφραση", όμως το όνομά του και τα ποιήματά του διαβάζονται από όλους τους λαούς και σε όλες τις γλώσσες.. Δεν είμαστε μόνο εμείς οι τυχεροί
αυτή η εξαίσια φωνή με την καταπληκτική προφορά, σε συνδυασμό με τη μουσική του Παπαθανασίου μπορούν να ταξιδέψουν την Ελλάδα σε όλον τον κόσμο. Μπορεί να μην μεταφράζεται ο Καβάφης χωρίς να γίνει "χαμένος στη μετάφραση", όμως το όνομά του και τα ποιήματά του διαβάζονται από όλους τους λαούς και σε όλες τις γλώσσες.. Δεν είμαστε μόνο εμείς οι τυχεροί
αυτή η εξαίσια φωνή με την καταπληκτική προφορά, σε συνδυασμό με τη μουσική του Παπαθανασίου μπορούν να ταξιδέψουν την Ελλάδα σε όλον τον κόσμο. Μπορεί να μην μεταφράζεται ο Καβάφης χωρίς να γίνει "χαμένος στη μετάφραση", όμως το όνομά του και τα ποιήματά του διαβάζονται από όλους τους λαούς και σε όλες τις γλώσσες.. Δεν είμαστε μόνο εμείς οι τυχεροί
It's too easy to say "the original language version is better". How is it better? This translation seems to be a hybrid of a couple of the respected translations on the Cavafy dot com website. True, it is not identical to the Greek, but it is a very good approximation. In my mind, you would be hard pressed to find a specific area where it is lacking, or where the Greek is superior. That it was written in Greek is something to celebrate, but it does not make translations unworthy.
@nojyt It hasnt got to do only with the Greek language necessarily. Specifically translation of a Poem is a big issue and is mostly done by poets and not translators. Apart from that a Poem always loses a bit of its glory in another language. Let alone Greek which the most rich one. Personally I find myself enjoying better a poem in its original language than in my own. I find it always better.
@denmasxe Yes, "interpretation" is probably a better word than "translation" in this case.
But my point is that as a Greek, I can't see how the original version is "better" than the English. Can you give a tangible example? The English version is gorgeous.
Again, please understand that I'm not trying to diminish the importance of the original; I am well aware of it. I'm just responding to a couple of predictable but unsubstantiated comments on this board.
@nojyt I'm not arguing whether or not the translation was gorgeous, nor if it should be translated at all or not. Apparently translation creates bridges among people and cultures. And I wasnt speaking about this poem in particular. But on my part poems are always better read from the source text. Greek or not. For example, how are you going to understand rhymes? And we are talking about "Translation" and not "Interpetation". Interpetation is how one evaluates something.
I'm not sure if Ithaca is death. Maybe it's a lifetime's target, a long time goal to achieve. For which of course the `marvelous journey` is the most important part: Fighting for it, expecting it, visioning it, devote fully one's body and soul for it.
For me, a Greek person being now away in Germany for in[de]finite time, Ithaca is simply Greece itself: My poor bleeding mother, my bitter home country from which I left disappointed, to become wiser with years and maybe appreciate and go back...
very, very, very beautifull poem by Constantinos Cavafys, we are all in this journey to ithaca(ithaca is death in case someone didnt understand the meaning of the poem) and we should get the best of it.
@POOLOFGLITTERROULA Cavafis is by far the best Greek poet after the great ones of ancient Greece. Most likely we shall wait some thousand years before the next Kavafis.
...Nic takiego na twojej drodze nie stanie, jeśli myślą trwasz na wyżynach, jeśli tylko wyborne uczucia dotykają twego duchai ciała. Ani Lajstrygonów, ani Cyklopów, ani okrutnego Posejdona nie spotkasz, jeżeli ich nie niesiesz w swojej duszy, jeśli własna twa dusza nie wznieci ich przed tobą. Pragnij tego, by wędrowanie było długie: żebyś miał wiele takich poranków lata, kiedy, z jaka uciechą, z jakim rozradowaniem, będziesz podpływał do portów, nigdy przedtem nie widzianych; ...
Ale bynajmniej nie śpiesz się w podróży. Lepiej, by trwała ona wiele lat, abyś stary już był, gdy dobijesz do tej wyspy, bogaty we wszystko, co zyskałeś po drodze, nie oczekują wcale, by ci dała bogactwo Itaka. Itaka dała ci tę piękną podróż. Bez Itaki nie wyruszyłbyś w drogę. Niczego więcej już ci dać nie może. A jeśli ja znajdujesz ubogą, Itaka cię nie oszukała. Gdy się stałeś tak mądry, po tylu doświadczeniach, już zrozumiałeś, co znaczą Itaki.
I must admit, I didn't know Sean Connery speaks with such a "shick shottish ashent", but I like it. It's absolutely wonderful. A great poem read by a great voice, backed by great music.
as a teenager i understood the wisdom contained within those lines as abstract concepts, but as the years have gone by i've come to grasp the reality of those words through my experiences. i hope to reach my ithaca one day, but not yet :D
As we said many posts before, namely before the ignorant wannabe intellectuals ruin these posts, if Sean Connery could speak Greek this poem would be incredibly awesome for our western indo-European brothers who speak English. The code beneath all lies in Greek words.
@metalanarchist666 I think you meant to say poor my friend, but I disagree. Maybe it's Sean Connery's distinct voice and Vangelis's music that make this reading come close to the original.
Contrary to what you say , i think the whole package is way very exellent.I am Greek and deeply inspired .
I think it is more wise and magnanimus to recognise the transepersonal impact of poetry rather than reminding us of the narrow perception of pride.Pride is a very expensive and dividing instrument when relating to art,Lets pretend that we are all in the land of laistrygonians and felt awakened with the poem.Everything else it's all Greek to me.
Contrary to what you say , i think the whole package is way very exellent.I am Greek and deeply inspired .
I think it is more wise and magnanimus to recognise the transepersonal impact of poetry rather than reminding us of the narrow perception of pride.Pride is a very expensive and dividing instrument when relating to art,Lets pretend that we are all in the land of laistrygonians and felt awakened with the poem.Everything else it's all Greek to me.
Uh yeah I felt free to just minimize all of AkaMouTinns comments, since he's ruining the video with his trolling. Emrysinthewoods, just stop answering him.
*places a sign saying "Don't feed the trolls."*
Oh btw, awesome poem, great reading and fitting music^^
Also i never said that GREECE has something to do with a race. Greece is a WAY of living and has to do with virtues, community and personal life. So ANYONE who wants to live and act like those people HAS to speak greek and be able to understand the code that this people created to DESCRIBE the logic that bound their style of living. You cant build windows with linux code. So unless you speak greek you dont have an opinion. and greeks have gave the world the REAL VALUE of life.
@AkaMouTinn Gosh, get out of your little Greece to know what the world is about! You are just an ignorant fanatic. You should try to do some philosophy, it would draw you closer to the Greek philosophers, who would undoubtedly be ashamed of you.
And if I adopt your stupid way of thinking (which I do to give a relevant example of your closed-mindedness): you do not know Arabic. So you cannot speak of Arabic translations. Learn some Arabic before talking about that matter.
Lets see ...... I speak ancient + modern greek, I studied in UK and USA. Lets see now about you..... You speak english + arabic? Good. We are talking about ancient greek culture which was original written in greek........ and this makes you more expert? :) WHY on EARTH should i learn arabic? :) to learn about alah? and that i can marry 4 women? or about jihad? :) m8 Y-O-U A-R-E hopeless. I read parmenidis, Iraklitos, Platon, Aristotelis from the original. You read ... arabic translation ! :)
@Emrysinthewoods thank you for your kind "little Greece" comment.All your right evaporated.All your anti-racist preach is also evaporated.The western complex is here and will remain.You can start reading the "Genesis of the Tragedy"... it may give you smth
Greek language and culture spread behind Alexander the Greats armies. The Romans in turn adopted much of the Greek culture, preserving it and spreading it to new parts of the world. After the fall of Rome, Greek culture was preserved and expanded upon within the Byzantine Empire and in the Arab world, and passed on to the West following the Renaissance.
The tragic reality is that after 1453 The greeks who did not imigrate to italy were BRUTTALY killed or forced to turn to islam for 400 years ! Until FINALLY ! your stupid germanic states in 1821 decided to free the land who GAVE YOU the language you speak today. And STILL today constantinople is NOT rulled by the greeks. And ALL the monuments are STILL there to prove that this city will NEVER be turkish. This is the bitter reallity under which you sleep in ignorant proudness
Aristotelis ( from greek words ARISTO + TELO which I am perfectly sure you dont have a CLUE what they mean as you just speak stupid english street language) was NEVER lost in eastern greek roman empire moron. The east empire SURVIVED through the middle ages fighting HUGE hordes of ARABS TURKS AND SLAVS and thus gave the german barbarian tribes the time to build their states. FINALLY after 1000 years ! when the turks took the city your ancestors WOKE up from deep sleep and became civilized again.
What you fail to see because of your ignorance is that Aristotle has been first known in Europe not because of the Byzantine scholars, but earlier through the Arabic translations of the philosopher (about the XIIIth Century). This discovery of ancient thought considerably changed ways of thinking, thus contributing to make the Renaissance possible.
you are winner of the morons competition? Dont you know how to read? Aristotelis MORON was MISSUNDERSTOOD by the barbarian german tribes because they read it from arab INCOMPLETE translations. ONLY after the original texts came to italy it was possible to really discover the ancient civilization. Now i advice you to go play nitendo because you will be way back from your underage friends. Do you prefer arabs? go to iran and make a family there.
What do you know of Arabic translations? Do you know Arabic at all? You are just utterly prejudiced and ignorant. I truly wonder how to complaint about your behaviour, which is not only disrespectful, but also racist. (not to speak about your weird "Greek superiority" mania)
m8 do you want to read aristotelis from arabic translation? go ahead and do it :) We prefer to read in greek original text like Iliad and Odysia. Now if you want to read aristotelis in chinise you can also do it. You can also play nintendo 24/7. The question is what the hell do you want here? :)
And MOST importantly aristotelis NEVER got lost in the east roman empire until 1453 thus helping to create christianity as you know it today through the gosbels that were ALL written in greek. So shut up and learn your history.
And finally ARISTOTELIS = ARISTO + TELO = Excellence + To Realize. So aristotelis is He who realizes excellence in his doings. I wonder if you can find names such as this in any germanic language....... Just the sounds of ancient greek make you sit back and wonder. Its a full of logic. What you see is what you say. Not like english where you see "comfortable" and you pronounce half ot the letters........... If you learn the alphabet you can read greek in 5 minutes
From wikipedia : The migration of Byzantine scholars and other émigrés from southern Italy and Byzantium during the decline of the Byzantine Empire (12031453) and mainly after the fall of Constantinople in 1453 until the 16th century, is considered by some scholars as very important in the revival of Greek and Roman studies and subsequently in the development of the Renaissance humanism.
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And here is your "latin" proudness: The earliest known is Old Latin, a phase of the early and middle Roman republic attested in inscriptions and the earliest surviving Latin works of literature. Around a bit before 700 b.c. Remember that latin is NOT a living language anymore. It was not as complete and strong as greek. Thus your english impottent pidgin language is sadly lingua franca today. But yet if you want to be original and smart you would at least try to learn greek. nitendo time !
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Greek has been spoken in the Balkan Peninsula since around the late 3rd millennium BC. The earliest written evidence is found in the Linear B clay tablets in the "Room of the Chariot Tablets", an LMIII A-context (c. 1400 BC) region of Knossos, in Crete, making Greek one of the world's oldest recorded living languages. Among the Indo-European languages, its date of earliest attestation is matched only by the now extinct Anatolian languages. You want to compare english to this? :) good luck
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And to finilize the subject ...... How do you feel that your history starts after 1400? King arthur is your mytholody and is not even going back before 500ad :) So you want to claim that EVEN your mythology that consists entirely of a circle table of knights can be compared to the vast mythology of greek gods? 2000 years before 500ad? You have to accept these simple facts of greek contribution to western civilization. There is no greek proudness there is only facts.
That was only a part of the argument. Check previous posts. Discussions about greek language originality does not concern only the use of it in future programming languages.
So we have the three puppets :) Once again you got powned. Once powned always powned. You can gather as many puppets as you want :) Facts are facts. What you will achieve is an army of novice nintendo playing puppets. You can speak nothing else than english here. Stop being wanabe intellectuals. At the moment you are lvl 1 puppets. Why you even bother to post here.
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You asked for the source and i gave it to you ! :) The source is the TGL project !!!! CALL THEM !!! ASK THEM !!! SEND THEM EMAIL !!! lol. How stupid can you be? :) you deny the source because you cant find the results??? in the web??? call them !!! ask them by email !!!!
first of all anyone can just do this magic trick called copy and paste
Λήμματα 160.000
Λεκτικούς τύπους 1.500.000
Συνολικό αριθμό λέξεων 90.000.000
that's hardly any merit, this came for a site sarantakos not tlg, now if you found it in tlg I'm sure you can show us, stop diverting it, walk us though how to find this information or what... you can't do it?
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let me see ......... you want me to call them and ask them to send you the project results?????? lol. Are you schizofrenic? :) why dont you call them and ask them?? simply call them. You ll get your answer if you cant find it in the website! rofl
No I can't so walk me thought the website so I can find that information you just "copied" as far as I can tell the website is in English so we can all see for ourselves.
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what i copied einstein is the results from the greek report rofl ! You want me to send you the results in greek??? can you read it in greek ! ? Honestly i never met such a complete idiot :) I am gonna give you the nobel price for the GRAND DENIAL of sources !
@armchairelist....1) sorry buddy, you've been had. This greek troll puts this exact same crap All Over youtube. Unfortunately you got sucked in Bad and thought he was making serious contentions. It's called "kicking puppies" from what I understand - i.e; trolling. Find something in wikipedia, make some Broard Statement that doesn't makeany real sense, never addressing a question but saying something else that happens to come into his vacant mind. Everything he says is from wiki.
You know what, you are totally right, sadly so my friend :( but believe it or not I was open to the possibility, and I guess I got "had" as you put it, maybe my scientist and skeptic heart got the best of me. but at least, those amongst us who can see will see ;)
IF you were WILLING to take the journey as cavafy says. IF ! you really wanted to know "you would have understood by then what this ITHACAS mean". Here is the greek text "Έτσι σοφός που έγινες, με τόση πείρα, ήδη θα το κατάλαβες η Ιθάκες τι σημαίνουν. " I advice you to learn the alphabet first and see how perfect is the greek text sounds and grammar. Just try it before you post anything else. You ll be much wiser.
and about the "middle ages"...... The reason that your germanic ancestors managed to survive as "holy roman empire" was the Greek eastern roman empire that kept fighting Arabs, Turks and even your tribes Germans ! until 1453. For 1000 years the Greco - Roman empire endured those massive attacks from dark and low cultured people to preserve the "rose" that was given to you through renesaince after the fall of constantinople in 1453. LEARN from those who know. Learn what cavafy is saying.
@AkaMouTinn You know nothing, boy. Moreover, thinking that the Arabs were "low cultured people" is utterly false. They translated as many Greek texts as they could, which saved many parts of the Greek knowledge which would have been destroyed otherwise. Without Arabic translations of Aristotle, this philosopher would not have influenced all European thought.
moron listen again ........ arab translation of aristotle is full of WRONG phrases and meanings ! They discovered that ages ago. Have you been sleeping? rofl. All europeans know that and they now have the ability to learn and speak greek so they can read the original texts. For your own sake stop saying more stupid things here.
@AkaMouTinn Again you don't understand. I was referring to the "translatio studii" in the Middle Ages and highlighted the importance of the Arabic translations in this regard. But I will leave you here, because your incomprehensible pride wipes out any sensible idea. You are ignorant, but think you know much. Read historians, read linguists. Stop wasting your time here, spreading biased and not funded ideas. At least, it will be a lot of fun for other people to read your comments. :o)
ok leave us here emrysin because if you say a few more ignorant irrelevant comments youtube server might go down . Thank you for you contribution ! lol
Ermysin! hey man it is a waste of your time, he hasn't been able to back up his claims with any kind of legitimate source even though he insists the information he has access to is some how superior to everyone else. I also find it interesting seeing him quote so many books to make what we can call, irrelevant points to say the least, yet he tells me that "One could argue that English at some point was a pidgin language" equals "I agree English IS a PL" that's when I realized it was pointless.
armchair of whatever your name is lol. A language CANNOT be a pidgin "at some time" !!! :) Does your narrow impotent brain understands this? :) Once pidgin = PIDGIN !!! voala !!!! capito?? now go play nintendo rofl :)
I see, so now you are resourcing to name calling? very intelligent of you. so you are saying that languages cannot evolve? besides as I said, one can argue that English was at some point in history a pidgin. sadly your level of comprehension doesn't allow you to see that I was cutting you some slack there, but of course things go over my head right? not yours? man o man, you need to read all your posts and your claims, you throw in some irrelevant quotes from books just to sound smart.
Let us test your intelligence once more....... PIDGIN language is a language that developed HEAVILY from other normal languages. Now take the next step with me slowly because we dont want to exhaust your dna....... ONCE pidgin means always pidgin ! :) what is so hard for you to understand? Greek was an original language that was created unique to accomodate the NEEDS of the people who spoke it. Original and for the first time in history. PIDGIN is ALWAYS pidgin ! :) You must have some brain.
@AkaMouTinn yet you can't even provide direct and reputable evidence other than some obscure sources in wikipedia? you still talk about this 6 million words yet you haven't show us where it says that? you make opinionated remarks such as you are only welcome to have an opinion if you are multi lingual, and better yet, if you speak certain languages only. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence there is a quote that is actually relevant to this conversation, and really...
I didn't think you were serious at first because you were using Wikipedia as your sources of study, but I see now that you are serious in defending your points, I would recommend using a more reputable sources, most universities have electronic databases, you can find peer reviewed material to support your claims like dissertations and such and if your interest to defend your position legitimate you could provide all of us with this evidence, direct links not websites with dozens of pages thanks
o lord ........... einstein .......... I gave you a source that is a HUGE project starting in the 70s from one of the most prestigious universities of US. are you blind? :) what is wrong with you :) wikipedia is just the starting point. wikipedia at the end has bibliography. Check it ! :) lol. how can you be so stuborn? :)
so your opinion of a source is go read the articles on the foot notes type of source? how about you direct us all to the article instead? I really don't understand what's so hard about that... or what maybe you don't have a direct link to this information and therefor you refuse to show us?
are you tottaly idiot? :) with the greatest respect i ask you :) are you tottaly idiot? youtube does not allow to post links. i gave you the name of the university and the project name to find the link in google. With repsect again.
HEHE, you are funny, you call someone you don't know an idiot but with respect right? hilarious, "tell me where in there I can find it" i said that ;) walk me through it, simple as click on this link, third of the page down, I cant believe that you for not being the idiot here cannot think of doing something so simple as to walk someone though a site like that....
guide you? lol where do you want me to guide you m8? This study has found 6 million unique words. If you cant find it in the website just search in google or BUY the god damn project from their website ! lol. are you crazy????
wait what? so I need to buy something? fine walk me through the website so I can buy it, however I thought you were talking about a source I could check on their website now you are saying I have to buy it? please clarify
well, my stupidity but you are the one who can't remember what I said 5 comments down, wow. the article or software of whatever it may be that shows me that in the ancient Greek language there were 6 millions words.
And again, please there is no need to be disrespectful, with all the words in your vocabulary I would assume you have more ways to express yourself in a respectful way, wouldn't you say?
I am not disrespectful at all. I just have an opinion and i say it. If you cannot find the sources I gave you then you are simply an idiot. Sorry and thanks
got cha, am I an idiot, well you are right, that's why I would like you to go to Thesaurus Linguae Graecae and tell me where in there I can find it, I'm sure it will not be hard for you to do so since you know where it is and you are not an idiot like me right? so maybe you can guide me and tell me how to find it in the website?
I also think that insulting is not necessary specially since my questions are legitimate, I am not trying to defend English for it is not even my native language. But I would like to be shown by you, because you are the one making these claims, your evidence, in a clear, concise and direct way. with out going on tangents quoting books with the intent to impress but rather prove. for example show us a direct link to the part where it says ancient Greek had 6 mill words, since you know where it is
@armchairelitist True, I just thought for a moment that he could not contradict some simple facts, such as the importance of the Indo-European language in the constitution of Greek, for instance. But ah, either it is a kind of game, or he is really stupid; in both cases I cannot do anything but laugh at these comments. :o)
Totally, There is a point where you give up, he would go on forever, I think every one can see how idiotic, unsubstantiated and contradictory his claims are though. he truly is counterproductive to his own cause hehe
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Speaking without facts as always... Not a single post of your general claims had a source attachment. Dont you think that the singular idiot is you here? hehe
And finally about Kavafis poem...... What you read here is merely a translation :) Do you even consider what a translation means? Do you know the power of this poem in greek original text? :) read it and then have your opinion. Be a smart guy in reality. Not just a wanabe scholar. lol
@AkaMouTinn I cannot see your point. I tried to highlight what is wrong in your comments, but did not talk of the poem so far. Since I have no real knowledge of modern Greek, I cannot read it in its original tongue, which is a shame when it deals with poetry; however, I do enjoy the English translation. The point in translating is to make texts more accessible, which would not be the case in its original tongue. It has its evils as well as its benefits.
Are you searching for the best? or do you accept moderation? If you want the best which is what the greeks wanted then LEARN greek before making ANY point. You cannot have any point if you are NOT a person who knows about this subject. So stop making more general remarks just to say something
@AkaMouTinn I doubt that you even understand my comments. It is a shame to see that ignorants cannot see that they are ignorants. Remember your dear Socrates: "I know that I know nothing".
I ll just quote here what Uberto Eco says about the brutally killed greek reality in the book that later became a movie starring sean connery. "We are dwarfs, nothing but dwarfs who are able to see further JUST because they stand on the backs of giants". If fora moment you DARE to learn ancient greek you will know that stupidity of what you mumble here in youtube. You are tragic figure of coca cola and mcdonalds :) You are little people of a decadant immoral state. Rise from your ashes.
@AkaMouTinn This sentence was famous in the Middle Ages and was used in the best European Universities to acknowledge the debt to classical knowledge, but also the need to go further. It is also a pun suggesting that being dwarves, they could nonetheless see further than giants. Besides, I graduated in classical studies and learnt a lot of ancient Greek. Do not be too prejudiced.
It is foolish to claim that a language is based on original words. All languages are using terms taken from other languages that they have adapted to their own, and sometimes it has been so for so long that one has forgotten these words were once borrowed. This debate is absolutely pointless, and especially here: it is just an insult to the beauty and the meaning of Kavafis' poem.
All languages are the same then? :) how deep is your thoughts :) You want to say that the zulu gave humanity the same progress as the greeks? Why are you afraid to compare facts? Why are you afraid to compare languages and civilization? You accuse me of greek pride? Well should I accuse you for your english pride? your english monarchy? lol :) Truth is only important. And when you sleep deep in your proudness you wont find it. Kavafis speaks ONLY about the lost greek heritage. Wake up.
@AkaMouTinn First, I am not English and do not try to defend this language. Second: you should investigate what is called the Indo-European language. Third: your comment about the Zulu is irrelevant, not to say racist. Fourth: I am not trying to diminish the progress the Greeks brought to humankind, but to show you that your opinion is utterly biased. Fifth, If your goal is to prove that Greek is the best language, then you have not understood anything about languages.
Not even 1% of indo european language passed in greek language. I suggest you invastigate better ! lol. racist? lol are you for real m8? answer to my arguments. dont just say whatever passes from your brain. You are just an ignorant. My goal is what i say below and nothing said had a point about greek being the best language. My point is that people have to know these truths. Try to say what you think and not what i "might" have implied. I speak straight
And about the "quote me directly" issue here is what you said ""One could argue that English at some point was a pidgin language"". lol. So you agree that english was a pidgin language? and now its not? :) How naive is this thought :) No language can be a pidgin and suddently stop being one. Just think for a moment that 80% of your words are NOT original. That makes you STILL a pidgin. You will NOT find such words in ancient greek. They are all original and still 4000 year old.
When you live in countries like US and UK you are constantly bombarded from low level and marketing level propaganda from TV and HOLYWOOD. anyone who lives outside this "geto" of information is simply amazed by the lies you are fed every day from your states. Its like a matrix. You want to know the truth? learn the code. the code is "ancient greek". If you learn to write it you will know. game over :) cavafy sais "learn from those who know" not from holywood. remember that.
Also even the name of the island "BRITAIN" is not given from the people who lived there. It was named by the greek exploer "Pytheas" who travelled there in 400BC from marsaile and named the island "PRITANIA" in greek. English history begun mainly with the battle of haistings. And even after that you had to wait 400 years to actually write history. So think what you lose when you cant speak ancient and modern greek or latin. CYA !
Ah, false etymologies. You should know that the Latins gave the name Brittania, that is "land of the Britons", because the people living there were called "Brytenlond". For one who praises Greek, I am surprised you discard Latin. And for the future: just check historical dictionaries instead of spreading "popular" (which means "false") etymologies.
On the surface it would appear that Pytheas was the first to use the name, Britannia; however, manuscript variants offer a P- alternating with B- and there is good reason for thinking that the name learned by Pytheas had P-, as in *Pretania or *Pritannia, etc.: the etymology of "Britain" is so convincing that many authors use the P-form, going to far as the quote the Greek or Latin with P-, even though it is predominantly B-. They attribute the B- to replacement by Romans in the time of Caesar.
wtf??? How could you possibly dislike this?
nuevaepoca 4 weeks ago
I hope you all knew Greek. In its original version this poem is even more magical.
AbovePerfect 1 month ago 2
I think this perfume might be of the light type Sir Issac Newton.Fishy in her little dishy.Ichthys Jesus Christ Son of God and Saviour.Saviour the light!
divisorplot 1 month ago
because I love this poem i mark it up but I dislike Sean Connerys voice , there were better choices
thisisyourwakeup 2 months ago
@thisisyourwakeup i agree. But his voice has something special , during the end it is pretty amazing id say.
theseventhson95 1 month ago
Ithaka is end of life , the journey is life experience
to me...
theseventhson95 2 months ago
I'm greek and I think this scottish guy (dont know his name) is unbelievably inspiring....
goosebumps....
Uriel333 2 months ago
One more masterpiece offered by a greek remaining in history of human culture. They can't destroy you, doesnt matter how hard they try. Thank you for giving the light to the world.
Dasoulman007 2 months ago 4
Oww thats brilliant! Love Sean's voice (scottish accent <3)
Saphiramajka1 2 months ago 2
Is there an HD version? Or could anyone with skill do one, please? :)
DoctorUrvinitka 3 months ago
Awesome. The music blends very well with Sean's voice.
VenjaMusic 3 months ago
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Embracing "Ithica" - this poem has special meaning for me, I just love the depth of his voice.. and the deeper meanings..
BrendaTsiaousis 3 months ago
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BrendaTsiaousis 3 months ago
a true inspiration for all who seek their own Ithaca... good luck to all and remember to enjoy the journey...
"Κι αν δεν μπορεις να καμεις την ζωη σου οπως την θελεις, τουτο προσπαθησε τουλαχιστον οσο μπορεις: μην την εξευτελιζεις μες στην πολλη συνναφια του κοσμου, μες στες πολλες κινησεις κι ομιλιες. Μην την εξευτελιζεις πηαινοντας την, γυριζοντας συχνα κ'εκθετοντας την στων σχεσεων και των συναναστροφων την καθημερινην ανοησια, ως που να γινει σα μια ξενη φορτικη."
aod1601 3 months ago 4
I enjoyed listening! Thankyou and peace to all of your relations.
1BigCREE1Redtail 4 months ago
Precious
Thank you !!
xxx
YolandaGuadalupe 4 months ago
@YolandaGuadalupe Thanks Yolanda. Great poem.
1BigCREE1Redtail 4 months ago
@YolandaGuadalupe Wonderful poem. Thanks Yolanda.
1BigCREE1Redtail 4 months ago
Look for "Viatge a Itaca" by Lluís Llach. Catalan sung translation of this song, and very, very moving.
Ennio444 5 months ago
cavafy - a legend
antonis5784 5 months ago
F e e l i n g every word, through and through. Thankyou
danceswithcrayons 5 months ago
One great example how poor are the English for Poetry ! The voice of Sean Connery which is excellent, cannot express the real words and meanings written in Greek.
Our ''international'' language - English - prooves at this poem, that is a perfect language for commercial use and basic communication , but cannot reach in anyway the real depths of soul that Greek language does, with this masterpiece of Cavafy..
sstakis1 6 months ago
@sstakis1 nigga shut da fuck up
spoonsofdoom 5 months ago
@spoonsofdoom ai gamisou malaka !! or in poor English language, fuck off malaka !!
sstakis1 4 months ago
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sstakis1 3 months ago
16 people have not bought as many perfumes as they can
lynchmobb2000 6 months ago 18
Images from Baraka.
tomgrem 7 months ago
Look for Lluís Llach, "Viatge a Itaca", a Catalan version of the poem.
Ennio444 7 months ago
Wow LIKE MY GRANDPA STORY.
MalinGenGTEAM1970 8 months ago
Εύγε!
SopilidisFm 8 months ago 2
I dont know why but his voice annoys me .The poem is fantastic
theseventhson95 9 months ago
God Bless you.
luismedina2008 9 months ago
much as I like Sean C, it wasn't great. the accent makes it difficult to understand and the mushicality is losht. as for the English translation is actually good. those who say the original is better...buzz off not everyone speaks Greek. besides...no matter how good a translation is, it's never as good as the original.
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αυτή η εξαίσια φωνή με την καταπληκτική προφορά, σε συνδυασμό με τη μουσική του Παπαθανασίου μπορούν να ταξιδέψουν την Ελλάδα σε όλον τον κόσμο. Μπορεί να μην μεταφράζεται ο Καβάφης χωρίς να γίνει "χαμένος στη μετάφραση", όμως το όνομά του και τα ποιήματά του διαβάζονται από όλους τους λαούς και σε όλες τις γλώσσες.. Δεν είμαστε μόνο εμείς οι τυχεροί
nitsakami 9 months ago
αυτή η εξαίσια φωνή με την καταπληκτική προφορά, σε συνδυασμό με τη μουσική του Παπαθανασίου μπορούν να ταξιδέψουν την Ελλάδα σε όλον τον κόσμο. Μπορεί να μην μεταφράζεται ο Καβάφης χωρίς να γίνει "χαμένος στη μετάφραση", όμως το όνομά του και τα ποιήματά του διαβάζονται από όλους τους λαούς και σε όλες τις γλώσσες.. Δεν είμαστε μόνο εμείς οι τυχεροί
nitsakami 9 months ago 2
αυτή η εξαίσια φωνή με την καταπληκτική προφορά, σε συνδυασμό με τη μουσική του Παπαθανασίου μπορούν να ταξιδέψουν την Ελλάδα σε όλον τον κόσμο. Μπορεί να μην μεταφράζεται ο Καβάφης χωρίς να γίνει "χαμένος στη μετάφραση", όμως το όνομά του και τα ποιήματά του διαβάζονται από όλους τους λαούς και σε όλες τις γλώσσες.. Δεν είμαστε μόνο εμείς οι τυχεροί
nitsakami 9 months ago
who could dislike this?
napatenapnigite 10 months ago 2
doing this for english. KILL ME!!!!!!!!
EtsGeeBaby 10 months ago
all hail the highlander..outstanding.... as usual
kokkinogi 11 months ago
everytime i see it i just feel so proud. My heart stops beating, my breath gets taken away...
yperionass 11 months ago
It's too easy to say "the original language version is better". How is it better? This translation seems to be a hybrid of a couple of the respected translations on the Cavafy dot com website. True, it is not identical to the Greek, but it is a very good approximation. In my mind, you would be hard pressed to find a specific area where it is lacking, or where the Greek is superior. That it was written in Greek is something to celebrate, but it does not make translations unworthy.
nojyt 1 year ago
@nojyt It hasnt got to do only with the Greek language necessarily. Specifically translation of a Poem is a big issue and is mostly done by poets and not translators. Apart from that a Poem always loses a bit of its glory in another language. Let alone Greek which the most rich one. Personally I find myself enjoying better a poem in its original language than in my own. I find it always better.
denmasxe 1 year ago
@denmasxe Yes, "interpretation" is probably a better word than "translation" in this case.
But my point is that as a Greek, I can't see how the original version is "better" than the English. Can you give a tangible example? The English version is gorgeous.
Again, please understand that I'm not trying to diminish the importance of the original; I am well aware of it. I'm just responding to a couple of predictable but unsubstantiated comments on this board.
nojyt 1 year ago
@nojyt I'm not arguing whether or not the translation was gorgeous, nor if it should be translated at all or not. Apparently translation creates bridges among people and cultures. And I wasnt speaking about this poem in particular. But on my part poems are always better read from the source text. Greek or not. For example, how are you going to understand rhymes? And we are talking about "Translation" and not "Interpetation". Interpetation is how one evaluates something.
denmasxe 9 months ago
I'm not sure if Ithaca is death. Maybe it's a lifetime's target, a long time goal to achieve. For which of course the `marvelous journey` is the most important part: Fighting for it, expecting it, visioning it, devote fully one's body and soul for it.
For me, a Greek person being now away in Germany for in[de]finite time, Ithaca is simply Greece itself: My poor bleeding mother, my bitter home country from which I left disappointed, to become wiser with years and maybe appreciate and go back...
pengmangr 1 year ago 4
very, very, very beautifull poem by Constantinos Cavafys, we are all in this journey to ithaca(ithaca is death in case someone didnt understand the meaning of the poem) and we should get the best of it.
dimalex8 1 year ago
of course the greek version is better cause is the original you cant translate poetry,but this is very well made
MyDreamside 1 year ago
Cavafis is one of the best Greek poets! I really wish there would be many like him today..:(
POOLOFGLITTERROULA 1 year ago
@POOLOFGLITTERROULA Cavafis is by far the best Greek poet after the great ones of ancient Greece. Most likely we shall wait some thousand years before the next Kavafis.
RiaceWarrior 1 year ago
@RiaceWarrior I won't question your statement with respect to Elytis or Seferis, nor will I question the greatness of Cavafy.
But what about **Palamas?** Sure, he's not in vogue these days, but surely he towers over all these other literary figures.
nojyt 1 year ago
ITAKA
Jeśli wyruszasz w podróż do Itaki,
pragnij tego, by długie było wędrowanie,
pełne przygód, pełne doświadczeń.
Lajstrygonów, Cyklopów, gniewnego Posejdona
nie obawiaj się...
jdn2 1 year ago
jdn2 1 year ago
...żebyś się zatrzymywał w handlowych stacjach Fenicjan
i kupował tam piękne rzeczy,
masę perłowa i koral, bursztyn i heban,
i najróżniejsze, wyszukane olejki —
ile ci się uda zmysłowych wonności znaleźć.
Trzeba też, byś egipskich miast odwiedził wiele,
aby uczyć się i jeszcze się uczyć — od tych, co wiedzą.
Przez cały ten czas pamiętaj o Itace.
Przybycie do niej — twoim przeznaczeniem....
jdn2 1 year ago
jdn2 1 year ago
I must admit, I didn't know Sean Connery speaks with such a "shick shottish ashent", but I like it. It's absolutely wonderful. A great poem read by a great voice, backed by great music.
afriend2003 1 year ago
Simply soothing for our souls. A map for life, a prescription for truly loving yourself.
lplatis 1 year ago
The Masterpiece. Thank you Omer. Thank you Kostas Kavafis. Thank you real Greece. If there is a meaning somewhere, here it is.
johnmic64 1 year ago
Really good!
langstonify 1 year ago
POWERFUL!
YorgoSkep 1 year ago
a nice video ♥
gedichtewiese 1 year ago
for years my favorite.. ever...
MidsunCelebration 1 year ago
the last word of the poem is so strong and by coinsidence still greek borrowed by the english language. Se[mean]oun
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AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
This made me make a lot of silly,nonsensical sounds of excitement.
salamandersquish 1 year ago
Absolutely beautiful!
SheisPoetry2Me 1 year ago 2
And if you find her poor, Ithaca won't have fooled you.
Wise as you will have become, so full of experience,
you'll have understood by then what these Ithacas mean
greco1914 1 year ago
as a teenager i understood the wisdom contained within those lines as abstract concepts, but as the years have gone by i've come to grasp the reality of those words through my experiences. i hope to reach my ithaca one day, but not yet :D
ridom5252 1 year ago 2
Yiasou Vangelis!! we share the same name =)
im1hecticwog 1 year ago
Three masters collaborate to a divine result!
dionisis1979 1 year ago 5
DELICIOUS!!!!!!!
Forever Isis
cuoylyf 1 year ago 14
Thanks Tommy,
Your voice is wonderful
bigtam30 1 year ago
As we said many posts before, namely before the ignorant wannabe intellectuals ruin these posts, if Sean Connery could speak Greek this poem would be incredibly awesome for our western indo-European brothers who speak English. The code beneath all lies in Greek words.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
the english translation is pure!!!
the original greek poem is way more inspiring!!!
metalanarchist666 1 year ago 45
@metalanarchist666 I think you meant to say poor my friend, but I disagree. Maybe it's Sean Connery's distinct voice and Vangelis's music that make this reading come close to the original.
VasilisBotoulas 1 year ago 2
@metalanarchist666 its realy a pejorative translation... it realy makes you loose the meaning of the poem
FTWinfected 1 year ago
@metalanarchist666
True. But non Greek speaking people must participate to this. This poem does not belong only to us. Belongs to the world.
johnmic64 1 year ago 2
FP
I disagree! The translation is excellent. Sean Connery is so good
that for 4 minutes he becomes a real Greek! Nobody is born Greek!
We all become Greeks enjoying oour lives.
Irwn1 1 year ago
@metalanarchist666 you probably mean poor....instead of pure...
cenerentolagr 1 year ago
@metalanarchist666 you probably mean "poor" instead of "pure"...
cenerentolagr 1 year ago
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This is not a fair comment file mou.... The translation is not bad at all...
Cretan101 11 months ago
Contrary to what you say , i think the whole package is way very exellent.I am Greek and deeply inspired .
I think it is more wise and magnanimus to recognise the transepersonal impact of poetry rather than reminding us of the narrow perception of pride.Pride is a very expensive and dividing instrument when relating to art,Lets pretend that we are all in the land of laistrygonians and felt awakened with the poem.Everything else it's all Greek to me.
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Contrary to what you say , i think the whole package is way very exellent.I am Greek and deeply inspired .
I think it is more wise and magnanimus to recognise the transepersonal impact of poetry rather than reminding us of the narrow perception of pride.Pride is a very expensive and dividing instrument when relating to art,Lets pretend that we are all in the land of laistrygonians and felt awakened with the poem.Everything else it's all Greek to me.
bluesacorn 8 months ago
Uh yeah I felt free to just minimize all of AkaMouTinns comments, since he's ruining the video with his trolling. Emrysinthewoods, just stop answering him.
*places a sign saying "Don't feed the trolls."*
Oh btw, awesome poem, great reading and fitting music^^
Suthek 1 year ago
@Suthek feel free to jump over the cliff too m8. and let us enjoy the poem too ^^
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
@AkaMouTinn sure, feel free to enjoy the poem =)
I don't have any cliffs close, so I can't jump off 'em, sorry. ;-)
Oh btw. I feel free to say this'll be my last answer to you =)
Suthek 1 year ago
@Suthek good :) and if we ever meet you again it 'll be 5 billion years too soon :)
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
terrific reading by Connery of an excellent poem by the great Cavafy. Vangelis atmospheric music helps a lot as well.
andres6868 1 year ago 6
Keep Ithaca always in your mind.
Arriving there is what you're destined for.
AlcidesConstante 1 year ago
Also i never said that GREECE has something to do with a race. Greece is a WAY of living and has to do with virtues, community and personal life. So ANYONE who wants to live and act like those people HAS to speak greek and be able to understand the code that this people created to DESCRIBE the logic that bound their style of living. You cant build windows with linux code. So unless you speak greek you dont have an opinion. and greeks have gave the world the REAL VALUE of life.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
@AkaMouTinn Gosh, get out of your little Greece to know what the world is about! You are just an ignorant fanatic. You should try to do some philosophy, it would draw you closer to the Greek philosophers, who would undoubtedly be ashamed of you.
And if I adopt your stupid way of thinking (which I do to give a relevant example of your closed-mindedness): you do not know Arabic. So you cannot speak of Arabic translations. Learn some Arabic before talking about that matter.
Emrysinthewoods 1 year ago
Lets see ...... I speak ancient + modern greek, I studied in UK and USA. Lets see now about you..... You speak english + arabic? Good. We are talking about ancient greek culture which was original written in greek........ and this makes you more expert? :) WHY on EARTH should i learn arabic? :) to learn about alah? and that i can marry 4 women? or about jihad? :) m8 Y-O-U A-R-E hopeless. I read parmenidis, Iraklitos, Platon, Aristotelis from the original. You read ... arabic translation ! :)
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
@Emrysinthewoods thank you for your kind "little Greece" comment.All your right evaporated.All your anti-racist preach is also evaporated.The western complex is here and will remain.You can start reading the "Genesis of the Tragedy"... it may give you smth
PoseidonGRE 5 months ago
Sean Connerys' voice blended with Vangelis' soulful music lend the perfect atmosphere to Cavafy's lovely poem.
slideharp1 1 year ago
Greek language and culture spread behind Alexander the Greats armies. The Romans in turn adopted much of the Greek culture, preserving it and spreading it to new parts of the world. After the fall of Rome, Greek culture was preserved and expanded upon within the Byzantine Empire and in the Arab world, and passed on to the West following the Renaissance.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
The tragic reality is that after 1453 The greeks who did not imigrate to italy were BRUTTALY killed or forced to turn to islam for 400 years ! Until FINALLY ! your stupid germanic states in 1821 decided to free the land who GAVE YOU the language you speak today. And STILL today constantinople is NOT rulled by the greeks. And ALL the monuments are STILL there to prove that this city will NEVER be turkish. This is the bitter reallity under which you sleep in ignorant proudness
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
Aristotelis ( from greek words ARISTO + TELO which I am perfectly sure you dont have a CLUE what they mean as you just speak stupid english street language) was NEVER lost in eastern greek roman empire moron. The east empire SURVIVED through the middle ages fighting HUGE hordes of ARABS TURKS AND SLAVS and thus gave the german barbarian tribes the time to build their states. FINALLY after 1000 years ! when the turks took the city your ancestors WOKE up from deep sleep and became civilized again.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
@AkaMouTinn Aristos: the best. Telos: the goal.
What you fail to see because of your ignorance is that Aristotle has been first known in Europe not because of the Byzantine scholars, but earlier through the Arabic translations of the philosopher (about the XIIIth Century). This discovery of ancient thought considerably changed ways of thinking, thus contributing to make the Renaissance possible.
Emrysinthewoods 1 year ago
you are winner of the morons competition? Dont you know how to read? Aristotelis MORON was MISSUNDERSTOOD by the barbarian german tribes because they read it from arab INCOMPLETE translations. ONLY after the original texts came to italy it was possible to really discover the ancient civilization. Now i advice you to go play nitendo because you will be way back from your underage friends. Do you prefer arabs? go to iran and make a family there.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
What do you know of Arabic translations? Do you know Arabic at all? You are just utterly prejudiced and ignorant. I truly wonder how to complaint about your behaviour, which is not only disrespectful, but also racist. (not to speak about your weird "Greek superiority" mania)
Emrysinthewoods 1 year ago
m8 do you want to read aristotelis from arabic translation? go ahead and do it :) We prefer to read in greek original text like Iliad and Odysia. Now if you want to read aristotelis in chinise you can also do it. You can also play nintendo 24/7. The question is what the hell do you want here? :)
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
And MOST importantly aristotelis NEVER got lost in the east roman empire until 1453 thus helping to create christianity as you know it today through the gosbels that were ALL written in greek. So shut up and learn your history.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
And finally ARISTOTELIS = ARISTO + TELO = Excellence + To Realize. So aristotelis is He who realizes excellence in his doings. I wonder if you can find names such as this in any germanic language....... Just the sounds of ancient greek make you sit back and wonder. Its a full of logic. What you see is what you say. Not like english where you see "comfortable" and you pronounce half ot the letters........... If you learn the alphabet you can read greek in 5 minutes
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
From wikipedia : The migration of Byzantine scholars and other émigrés from southern Italy and Byzantium during the decline of the Byzantine Empire (12031453) and mainly after the fall of Constantinople in 1453 until the 16th century, is considered by some scholars as very important in the revival of Greek and Roman studies and subsequently in the development of the Renaissance humanism.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
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And here is your "latin" proudness: The earliest known is Old Latin, a phase of the early and middle Roman republic attested in inscriptions and the earliest surviving Latin works of literature. Around a bit before 700 b.c. Remember that latin is NOT a living language anymore. It was not as complete and strong as greek. Thus your english impottent pidgin language is sadly lingua franca today. But yet if you want to be original and smart you would at least try to learn greek. nitendo time !
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
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Greek has been spoken in the Balkan Peninsula since around the late 3rd millennium BC. The earliest written evidence is found in the Linear B clay tablets in the "Room of the Chariot Tablets", an LMIII A-context (c. 1400 BC) region of Knossos, in Crete, making Greek one of the world's oldest recorded living languages. Among the Indo-European languages, its date of earliest attestation is matched only by the now extinct Anatolian languages. You want to compare english to this? :) good luck
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
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And to finilize the subject ...... How do you feel that your history starts after 1400? King arthur is your mytholody and is not even going back before 500ad :) So you want to claim that EVEN your mythology that consists entirely of a circle table of knights can be compared to the vast mythology of greek gods? 2000 years before 500ad? You have to accept these simple facts of greek contribution to western civilization. There is no greek proudness there is only facts.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
That was only a part of the argument. Check previous posts. Discussions about greek language originality does not concern only the use of it in future programming languages.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
The amount of laugh you are producing is beyond your imaginations :)
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
So we have the three puppets :) Once again you got powned. Once powned always powned. You can gather as many puppets as you want :) Facts are facts. What you will achieve is an army of novice nintendo playing puppets. You can speak nothing else than english here. Stop being wanabe intellectuals. At the moment you are lvl 1 puppets. Why you even bother to post here.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
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You asked for the source and i gave it to you ! :) The source is the TGL project !!!! CALL THEM !!! ASK THEM !!! SEND THEM EMAIL !!! lol. How stupid can you be? :) you deny the source because you cant find the results??? in the web??? call them !!! ask them by email !!!!
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
first of all anyone can just do this magic trick called copy and paste
Λήμματα 160.000
Λεκτικούς τύπους 1.500.000
Συνολικό αριθμό λέξεων 90.000.000
that's hardly any merit, this came for a site sarantakos not tlg, now if you found it in tlg I'm sure you can show us, stop diverting it, walk us though how to find this information or what... you can't do it?
armchairelitist 1 year ago
site called sarantakos??????? what are you talking about? rofl. m8 have you been hit by a comet?
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
Η ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΓΛΩΣΣΑ ΠΕΡΙΕΧΕΙ 6.500.000 ΕΚΑΤΟΜΜΥΡΙΑ ΠΡΩΤΟΓΕΝΩΝ ΛΕΞΕΩΝ ΚΑΙ 80.000.000 ΠΑΡΑΓΩΓΩΝ
search this in the internet moron and see. God help you understand greek and be able to read it. lol . You are a muppet show. :)
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
Go to the University, dude. You will know how to manage your sources. Ha! :o)
Emrysinthewoods 1 year ago
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let me see ......... you want me to call them and ask them to send you the project results?????? lol. Are you schizofrenic? :) why dont you call them and ask them?? simply call them. You ll get your answer if you cant find it in the website! rofl
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
you want to pwn me more now ! xaxaxaxaxaxa. You are such a joke m8 :) What are you trying to prove that TLG is wrong? call them ! ask them ! rofl
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
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can you read greek? this is a copy paste from the greek text for the sum of this project. 6.5 million unique words , 90 million words total
Λεκτικούς τύπους 6.500.000
Συνολικό αριθμό λέξεων 90.000.000
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
No I can't so walk me thought the website so I can find that information you just "copied" as far as I can tell the website is in English so we can all see for ourselves.
armchairelitist 1 year ago
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what i copied einstein is the results from the greek report rofl ! You want me to send you the results in greek??? can you read it in greek ! ? Honestly i never met such a complete idiot :) I am gonna give you the nobel price for the GRAND DENIAL of sources !
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
@armchairelist....1) sorry buddy, you've been had. This greek troll puts this exact same crap All Over youtube. Unfortunately you got sucked in Bad and thought he was making serious contentions. It's called "kicking puppies" from what I understand - i.e; trolling. Find something in wikipedia, make some Broard Statement that doesn't makeany real sense, never addressing a question but saying something else that happens to come into his vacant mind. Everything he says is from wiki.
slideharp1 1 year ago
You know what, you are totally right, sadly so my friend :( but believe it or not I was open to the possibility, and I guess I got "had" as you put it, maybe my scientist and skeptic heart got the best of me. but at least, those amongst us who can see will see ;)
armchairelitist 1 year ago
IF you were WILLING to take the journey as cavafy says. IF ! you really wanted to know "you would have understood by then what this ITHACAS mean". Here is the greek text "Έτσι σοφός που έγινες, με τόση πείρα, ήδη θα το κατάλαβες η Ιθάκες τι σημαίνουν. " I advice you to learn the alphabet first and see how perfect is the greek text sounds and grammar. Just try it before you post anything else. You ll be much wiser.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
and about the "middle ages"...... The reason that your germanic ancestors managed to survive as "holy roman empire" was the Greek eastern roman empire that kept fighting Arabs, Turks and even your tribes Germans ! until 1453. For 1000 years the Greco - Roman empire endured those massive attacks from dark and low cultured people to preserve the "rose" that was given to you through renesaince after the fall of constantinople in 1453. LEARN from those who know. Learn what cavafy is saying.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
@AkaMouTinn You know nothing, boy. Moreover, thinking that the Arabs were "low cultured people" is utterly false. They translated as many Greek texts as they could, which saved many parts of the Greek knowledge which would have been destroyed otherwise. Without Arabic translations of Aristotle, this philosopher would not have influenced all European thought.
Emrysinthewoods 1 year ago
moron listen again ........ arab translation of aristotle is full of WRONG phrases and meanings ! They discovered that ages ago. Have you been sleeping? rofl. All europeans know that and they now have the ability to learn and speak greek so they can read the original texts. For your own sake stop saying more stupid things here.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
@AkaMouTinn Again you don't understand. I was referring to the "translatio studii" in the Middle Ages and highlighted the importance of the Arabic translations in this regard. But I will leave you here, because your incomprehensible pride wipes out any sensible idea. You are ignorant, but think you know much. Read historians, read linguists. Stop wasting your time here, spreading biased and not funded ideas. At least, it will be a lot of fun for other people to read your comments. :o)
Emrysinthewoods 1 year ago
ok leave us here emrysin because if you say a few more ignorant irrelevant comments youtube server might go down . Thank you for you contribution ! lol
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
Ermysin! hey man it is a waste of your time, he hasn't been able to back up his claims with any kind of legitimate source even though he insists the information he has access to is some how superior to everyone else. I also find it interesting seeing him quote so many books to make what we can call, irrelevant points to say the least, yet he tells me that "One could argue that English at some point was a pidgin language" equals "I agree English IS a PL" that's when I realized it was pointless.
armchairelitist 1 year ago
armchair of whatever your name is lol. A language CANNOT be a pidgin "at some time" !!! :) Does your narrow impotent brain understands this? :) Once pidgin = PIDGIN !!! voala !!!! capito?? now go play nintendo rofl :)
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
I see, so now you are resourcing to name calling? very intelligent of you. so you are saying that languages cannot evolve? besides as I said, one can argue that English was at some point in history a pidgin. sadly your level of comprehension doesn't allow you to see that I was cutting you some slack there, but of course things go over my head right? not yours? man o man, you need to read all your posts and your claims, you throw in some irrelevant quotes from books just to sound smart.
armchairelitist 1 year ago
Let us test your intelligence once more....... PIDGIN language is a language that developed HEAVILY from other normal languages. Now take the next step with me slowly because we dont want to exhaust your dna....... ONCE pidgin means always pidgin ! :) what is so hard for you to understand? Greek was an original language that was created unique to accomodate the NEEDS of the people who spoke it. Original and for the first time in history. PIDGIN is ALWAYS pidgin ! :) You must have some brain.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
@AkaMouTinn yet you can't even provide direct and reputable evidence other than some obscure sources in wikipedia? you still talk about this 6 million words yet you haven't show us where it says that? you make opinionated remarks such as you are only welcome to have an opinion if you are multi lingual, and better yet, if you speak certain languages only. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence there is a quote that is actually relevant to this conversation, and really...
armchairelitist 1 year ago
I didn't think you were serious at first because you were using Wikipedia as your sources of study, but I see now that you are serious in defending your points, I would recommend using a more reputable sources, most universities have electronic databases, you can find peer reviewed material to support your claims like dissertations and such and if your interest to defend your position legitimate you could provide all of us with this evidence, direct links not websites with dozens of pages thanks
armchairelitist 1 year ago
o lord ........... einstein .......... I gave you a source that is a HUGE project starting in the 70s from one of the most prestigious universities of US. are you blind? :) what is wrong with you :) wikipedia is just the starting point. wikipedia at the end has bibliography. Check it ! :) lol. how can you be so stuborn? :)
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
so your opinion of a source is go read the articles on the foot notes type of source? how about you direct us all to the article instead? I really don't understand what's so hard about that... or what maybe you don't have a direct link to this information and therefor you refuse to show us?
armchairelitist 1 year ago
are you tottaly idiot? :) with the greatest respect i ask you :) are you tottaly idiot? youtube does not allow to post links. i gave you the name of the university and the project name to find the link in google. With repsect again.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
HEHE, you are funny, you call someone you don't know an idiot but with respect right? hilarious, "tell me where in there I can find it" i said that ;) walk me through it, simple as click on this link, third of the page down, I cant believe that you for not being the idiot here cannot think of doing something so simple as to walk someone though a site like that....
armchairelitist 1 year ago
guide you? lol where do you want me to guide you m8? This study has found 6 million unique words. If you cant find it in the website just search in google or BUY the god damn project from their website ! lol. are you crazy????
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
you got pwned dumbass
yauguru 1 year ago
wait what? so I need to buy something? fine walk me through the website so I can buy it, however I thought you were talking about a source I could check on their website now you are saying I have to buy it? please clarify
armchairelitist 1 year ago
lol. what are you searching exactly for ? remind me because with your massive stupidity its hard to know
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
well, my stupidity but you are the one who can't remember what I said 5 comments down, wow. the article or software of whatever it may be that shows me that in the ancient Greek language there were 6 millions words.
armchairelitist 1 year ago
And again, please there is no need to be disrespectful, with all the words in your vocabulary I would assume you have more ways to express yourself in a respectful way, wouldn't you say?
thanks
armchairelitist 1 year ago
I am not disrespectful at all. I just have an opinion and i say it. If you cannot find the sources I gave you then you are simply an idiot. Sorry and thanks
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
got cha, am I an idiot, well you are right, that's why I would like you to go to Thesaurus Linguae Graecae and tell me where in there I can find it, I'm sure it will not be hard for you to do so since you know where it is and you are not an idiot like me right? so maybe you can guide me and tell me how to find it in the website?
thanks
armchairelitist 1 year ago
m8 I am not a doctor sorry I cant help you.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
you need to be a doctor to walk me through a website to find an article? man and I thought you said I was an idiot, but with respect right?
armchairelitist 1 year ago
I also think that insulting is not necessary specially since my questions are legitimate, I am not trying to defend English for it is not even my native language. But I would like to be shown by you, because you are the one making these claims, your evidence, in a clear, concise and direct way. with out going on tangents quoting books with the intent to impress but rather prove. for example show us a direct link to the part where it says ancient Greek had 6 mill words, since you know where it is
armchairelitist 1 year ago
@armchairelitist True, I just thought for a moment that he could not contradict some simple facts, such as the importance of the Indo-European language in the constitution of Greek, for instance. But ah, either it is a kind of game, or he is really stupid; in both cases I cannot do anything but laugh at these comments. :o)
Emrysinthewoods 1 year ago
Totally, There is a point where you give up, he would go on forever, I think every one can see how idiotic, unsubstantiated and contradictory his claims are though. he truly is counterproductive to his own cause hehe
armchairelitist 1 year ago
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Speaking without facts as always... Not a single post of your general claims had a source attachment. Dont you think that the singular idiot is you here? hehe
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
And finally about Kavafis poem...... What you read here is merely a translation :) Do you even consider what a translation means? Do you know the power of this poem in greek original text? :) read it and then have your opinion. Be a smart guy in reality. Not just a wanabe scholar. lol
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
@AkaMouTinn I cannot see your point. I tried to highlight what is wrong in your comments, but did not talk of the poem so far. Since I have no real knowledge of modern Greek, I cannot read it in its original tongue, which is a shame when it deals with poetry; however, I do enjoy the English translation. The point in translating is to make texts more accessible, which would not be the case in its original tongue. It has its evils as well as its benefits.
Emrysinthewoods 1 year ago
Are you searching for the best? or do you accept moderation? If you want the best which is what the greeks wanted then LEARN greek before making ANY point. You cannot have any point if you are NOT a person who knows about this subject. So stop making more general remarks just to say something
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
@AkaMouTinn I doubt that you even understand my comments. It is a shame to see that ignorants cannot see that they are ignorants. Remember your dear Socrates: "I know that I know nothing".
Emrysinthewoods 1 year ago
ok ok m8. Calm down. Everyone understands your comments. Life with you is like a broken pencil.... pointless ! rofl
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
I ll just quote here what Uberto Eco says about the brutally killed greek reality in the book that later became a movie starring sean connery. "We are dwarfs, nothing but dwarfs who are able to see further JUST because they stand on the backs of giants". If fora moment you DARE to learn ancient greek you will know that stupidity of what you mumble here in youtube. You are tragic figure of coca cola and mcdonalds :) You are little people of a decadant immoral state. Rise from your ashes.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
@AkaMouTinn This sentence was famous in the Middle Ages and was used in the best European Universities to acknowledge the debt to classical knowledge, but also the need to go further. It is also a pun suggesting that being dwarves, they could nonetheless see further than giants. Besides, I graduated in classical studies and learnt a lot of ancient Greek. Do not be too prejudiced.
Emrysinthewoods 1 year ago
yea yea you know a lot of ancient greek .......... rest assure i ll be needing your advice rofl
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
It is foolish to claim that a language is based on original words. All languages are using terms taken from other languages that they have adapted to their own, and sometimes it has been so for so long that one has forgotten these words were once borrowed. This debate is absolutely pointless, and especially here: it is just an insult to the beauty and the meaning of Kavafis' poem.
Emrysinthewoods 1 year ago
All languages are the same then? :) how deep is your thoughts :) You want to say that the zulu gave humanity the same progress as the greeks? Why are you afraid to compare facts? Why are you afraid to compare languages and civilization? You accuse me of greek pride? Well should I accuse you for your english pride? your english monarchy? lol :) Truth is only important. And when you sleep deep in your proudness you wont find it. Kavafis speaks ONLY about the lost greek heritage. Wake up.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
@AkaMouTinn First, I am not English and do not try to defend this language. Second: you should investigate what is called the Indo-European language. Third: your comment about the Zulu is irrelevant, not to say racist. Fourth: I am not trying to diminish the progress the Greeks brought to humankind, but to show you that your opinion is utterly biased. Fifth, If your goal is to prove that Greek is the best language, then you have not understood anything about languages.
Emrysinthewoods 1 year ago
Not even 1% of indo european language passed in greek language. I suggest you invastigate better ! lol. racist? lol are you for real m8? answer to my arguments. dont just say whatever passes from your brain. You are just an ignorant. My goal is what i say below and nothing said had a point about greek being the best language. My point is that people have to know these truths. Try to say what you think and not what i "might" have implied. I speak straight
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
And about the "quote me directly" issue here is what you said ""One could argue that English at some point was a pidgin language"". lol. So you agree that english was a pidgin language? and now its not? :) How naive is this thought :) No language can be a pidgin and suddently stop being one. Just think for a moment that 80% of your words are NOT original. That makes you STILL a pidgin. You will NOT find such words in ancient greek. They are all original and still 4000 year old.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
When you live in countries like US and UK you are constantly bombarded from low level and marketing level propaganda from TV and HOLYWOOD. anyone who lives outside this "geto" of information is simply amazed by the lies you are fed every day from your states. Its like a matrix. You want to know the truth? learn the code. the code is "ancient greek". If you learn to write it you will know. game over :) cavafy sais "learn from those who know" not from holywood. remember that.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
He doesn't say anything about Hollywood so what do you mean when you say "Remember that".....Remember what?
slideharp1 1 year ago
Also even the name of the island "BRITAIN" is not given from the people who lived there. It was named by the greek exploer "Pytheas" who travelled there in 400BC from marsaile and named the island "PRITANIA" in greek. English history begun mainly with the battle of haistings. And even after that you had to wait 400 years to actually write history. So think what you lose when you cant speak ancient and modern greek or latin. CYA !
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
Ah, false etymologies. You should know that the Latins gave the name Brittania, that is "land of the Britons", because the people living there were called "Brytenlond". For one who praises Greek, I am surprised you discard Latin. And for the future: just check historical dictionaries instead of spreading "popular" (which means "false") etymologies.
Emrysinthewoods 1 year ago
Really? Latins gave the name to britania? :) Make a search on the word "PYTHEAS" in wikipedia. And see how deep is your sleep.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago
On the surface it would appear that Pytheas was the first to use the name, Britannia; however, manuscript variants offer a P- alternating with B- and there is good reason for thinking that the name learned by Pytheas had P-, as in *Pretania or *Pritannia, etc.: the etymology of "Britain" is so convincing that many authors use the P-form, going to far as the quote the Greek or Latin with P-, even though it is predominantly B-. They attribute the B- to replacement by Romans in the time of Caesar.
AkaMouTinn 1 year ago