LC130 Jato Takeoff

[w5cdt]

1000 feet of runway remaining....time to hit the JATO bottles.

[thomasucc]

And all of the chemicals from the jet engine will last a 1,000 years

[Forgechannel1]

I WANT A JATO FOR MY RC PLANE

[williamyangguy]

lol cant fly

[Kafundo]

Where is that???? Patriot Hills maybe????

[kalahiki808]

redundant title

[NaamioKukko]

Why does the title say "Jet assisted takeoff takeoff"?

[2JAMMY]

That's a novel idea - put some sparklers on a plane.

[TheRambunctiousone]

RATO Rocket Assisted TakeOff not

JATO Jet Assisted TakeOff

There is almost no such thing as JATO.

[BerkeleyGang]

@TheRambunctiousone It's a Navy thing. USAF calls it RATO. USN calls it JATO. Similar to why in the AF the plane is commanded by a pilot, while in the Navy, a pilot steers a ship, so instead he's called an Aviator in the Navy.

[cruisingcody]

@BerkeleyGang

most people know it by RATO though

[calzz5757]

Yay NY ANG :)

[tahoeskiier]

Did the pilot tilt the wings on purpose?

[yoyoyoyoshua]

@tahoeskiier thats how pilots wave.

[redpoopsicle]

man, the scenery there looks beautiful. nice vid

[BikerBry]

I want a JATO for my Nova

[kade6]

@BikerBry lmao!!!

[HydeMyJekyll]

Haha what the hell kinda lead was that plane haulin' for it to have such a hard time gaining 10 feet of altitude?

[dex123james]

fucking heavy!

[cheangjc]

A little Nitrous do wonders. :p

[Minh1110]

without those jet engines I dont think the plane can take off at all.

[basimpsn]

I guess the snow and the sled plus what ever he is carrying is causing lots of drag. So they need (JATO) to increase airspeed. Look at 0:18 he need full elevator lol.

[paopaowellwell]

that is great ideal for short takeoff airfield

[HaloToday]

How much more thrust does the JATO system give you?  Also does the altitude affect the performance of the JATO?

[SHRIKE427]

@HaloToday It's really sort of a mis nomer... JATO stands for "Jet Assisted Take Off"... While I am not certain of the propellent used in this case, it is my understanding that a solid fuel propellent as probably used here, actually constitutes a "RATO"... " Rocket Assisted Take Off " Solid fuel rocket do not require atmosphere, they will work in outer space, altitude has little effect....

[HaloToday]

@SHRIKE427 thanks for the info man. Yeah since this video was labeled JATO i thought those were some small jet engines. I suspected they were rockets but I don't know enough to question what people post on the tube. By any chance do you know how much additional thrust the RATO system provides?

[SHRIKE427]

@HaloToday I want to say 1500 lbs thrust each but I really don't know. Google it... BTW, just about everyone calls them JATO even though they are really RATO. It is a common term but technically they are solid fuel rockets. Military aviation is the coolest !!...

[HaloToday]

@SHRIKE427 I agree man, military gear freak'n rocks! Yeah i tried google to find out how much thrust they provide but I couldn't find anything solid. Man it would be cool to sit in a C-130 on a RATO take off

[SHRIKE427]

@HaloToday I just read one report that states 10,000 lbs of thrust each. Which makes more sense...lol.. I don't think 1500 lbs would do anything to that big bird...lol..

[hawk0920]

got to love the skies equiped c-130( hence Lc-130)

[willwoodhouse]

gotta love this hillbilly style ingenuity...

First guy, "How do we get a massive plane like a C130 to take off from such a short strip?"

Hillbilly, "Uhh, how about strapping rockets to the side?"

[nev594]

Why does everybody, including the Blue Angels keep calling this JATO? It used to be called RATO - as in "Rocket Assisted Take-Off".  JATO was when we added jet engines to large piston engine aircraft for extra power - at any time - not just take-off. Examples included the B-36, KC-97, C-123, and P2V Neptune. Hell some Neptunes used RATO & JATO!

[excalibur738]

@SHRIKE427 where is the nuke cloud I only see a mountain?

[SHRIKE427]

@excalibur738 Nuke cloud @ 42 secs..lol.. he flys right to it...

[excalibur738]

@SHRIKE427 yea thats a mountain

[calzz5757]

yay 109th LC-130 form New York :)

[abackowski]

thats the 109th from Scotia NY not the USCG

[SHRIKE427]

He sure looked heavy !!... and the nuke cloud out the horizon??..lol...

[basimpsn]

@SHRIKE427

[basimpsn]

@basimpsn

[halofreak0103]

lol snow. its cool how it has those sled like things on its wheels

[0696jesse]

what is the huge ploom mushroom cloud in front of the plane

[TinnInches]

That fucking thing was full....

[kkoloftt]

lol skies XD

[MrDrift212]

some people dont know the damn limits of these aircraft

[jimmythesnagglepuss]

that place looks pretty cold

[FL4ME5]

theres allways a way....................

[BBQFanNo1]

Hear JATO close up. It is louder than ny jets with their afterburners on.

[iwantpk2]

Fly like the wind bullsye!

[kattiiyy92]

wow, looked liek without the help of JATO rockets he never would have gotten off the ground

[bestamerica]

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why this c130 have 4 same prop spins,,,

not good idea,,,

c130 must be 2 left prop spins and 2 right prop spins,,,

[Morbac88]

@bestamerica  Because the spin torque is cancelled because the engine is turning counterclockwise and the prop clockwise.

[stockcar269s]

I flew on a C-130 from New Zealand to Rarotonga, man that took ages, how long does it take for the USAF/Navy and RNZAF Hercules to fly from McMurdo to Christchurch??

[lowestsodium]

@stockcar269s If I remember correctly it was a miserable 8-9 hours.

[Hunnenhorst]

@lowestsodium

I can imagine that that was miserable, much more comfortable in a C-17

[cookman283]

@stockcar269s Haha you survived a herc flight? props to you :P

[skynut831]

@mikitymike All the guys in the know ,know! They are correct ! I think you may have misunderstood grandpa, I'll bet he played with SOLID rubber balls MADE FROM aircraft tires !! Then again he could have been playing BALL DODGE ! Sorry for the joke, it's sad ,but true!

Still one heck of a takeoff ! At that density and probable load, even with JATOs the pucker factor must be a little unnerving!

Blue Skies TO All !

[axs12345]

wow heavy

[alaskasmom]

Is that Air Group From Scotia NY?

[XxTQxX]

@alaskasmom yes...only people in the world who do it. 

[Iceman5164]

@alaskasmom

I believe it's the 109th Airlift guys up in Scotia. I Flew in one of these, probably my favorite aircraft.

[orionsune]

Yeah I work on an aircraft carrier in air dept. , i've never seen solid rubber gear tires...

[grooveclubhouse]

You would think that it would be RATO. Rocket Assisted Take Off. Since there rockets after all.

[QuincyGD4456]

When was this takin?

[smurfiain2K10]

how are you meant to stop on snow when landing do they hav like super reverse jatos

[Cars5678]

Jet ski babeh

[paintballguy113]

It's gnna be sweet when these guys get 8 props per engine instead of 4. take offs will be a lot shorter

[FPVsean]

them snow shoes are cool

[benzcheap]

Looked like it was heading towards a mushroom cloud

[gymlord]

@benzcheap well spotted

[eduardoamadeo]

Dirty snow now.

Very bad

[kyotoair]

who are you gonna call?

AL GORE!!

[GerbilEssences]

Every problem can be solved wih the application of big rockets :)

[cnknguyen]

JATO and with high density air...still looked painful to get into the air. crazy.

[marshamk]

where is this?

[cjacustomwoodworking]

Wow, must have been incredibly loaded, rockets didn't last long for the distance traveled.

[pelagic6]

Must have been extremely heavy, damn.

[migkiller001]

That looks absolutely treacherous! Props to the Air Crew on that beast. The damn thing could barely get off the ice with JATO! WOW!

[zbstr611]

was that a mushroom cloud in the back?

[fflyboy192]

I think thats the new C-130J model. before you had to special order JATOS, but most new C-130J Super Hercules models come with it

[DukeOfGuelders]

No, it isn't (four-blade props). Older Hercules models on (ant)arctic missions used JATO as well.

[Hollrobb]

Looks mighty heavy. I guess thats why it has the rockets to help it off the ground/surface.

[marco0798]

even with the JATO its having a hard time thats freaking insane

[rayzordee]

She must be close to max TOW

[hamrickdr]

When it absolutely, positively, has to be there overnight... send a C-130!

[PCguy102]

WTF is that thing carrying? Depleted uranium? It is digging a trench!

[misterflip20]

nah, just over 10 tons of flying steel, heat, and badassness on soft snow xD

[bestamerica]

why this plane with 4 spins are same way,,,

why not 2 spins are left spins and 2 spins are right spins

[Squirrel9901]

too difficult, and pointless?

[sneakytouchyourplace]

because its ridiculously cheaper to manufacture that way

[Petsku333]

Lots of smoke :D

[spacestevie2]

That looks to Admunsen-Scott or some other interior station, so yes,its high altitude. The ice sheet is about 2-3 miles thick, which puts it at about 10,000 feet altitude.

[goneoutfishing]

the take-off appears to be at high altitude, less air, so much more runway required to get it off the ground

So it doesn't have to be heavy

[cnknguyen]

woohoo! i love seeing that in person.

[flugverrueckt]

wow are you carrying lead or something thats heavy

[trav1971]

Something REAL HEAVY in that aircraft.

[monimstarfox]

lol yeah you can tell

[vxe6vxe6]

When you go to the C-130 SIM they deflate all the tires (give the plane 6 flat tires) to simulate taxi, take off and landings on skies.

The reason why the Guard is using JATO is that they are operating up on the polar plateau in the east Antarctica region.

Even with the cold weather the air is so thin that the engines do not produce enough torque to get the plane safely airborne.

So they strap on the JATO bottles.

[MrCanada967]

@vxe6vxe6 they deflate the tires??... im pretty sure the tiers on a c130 are solid rubber, same with most planes..........

[volksronyahoo]

@MrCanada967

Are you serious? I work in aviation (actually a c130 mech) and trust me, none of the aviation tires I have EVER seen are solid rubber... Especially a KC-130

[volksronyahoo]

@MrCanada967

Are you serious? I work in aviation (actually a c130 mech) and trust me, none of the aviation tires I have EVER seen are solid rubber... Especially a KC-130

[volksronyahoo]

@MrCanada967

Are you serious? I work in aviation (actually a c130 mech) and trust me, none of the aviation tires I have EVER seen are solid rubber... Especially a KC-130

[mikitymike]

@volksronyahoo this morning, my grandpa told me when he was little, he and his friend played dodgeball with balls made from solid rubber airplane tires.

[volksronyahoo]

@mikitymike

Sorry for the multiple replies. Youtube froze or something. Anyways, yeah, probably back in your grandpa's day, I'd imagine 40's and earlier, that some were solid. Not the case today, I assure you.

[Racing600RR]

@vxe6vxe6 Interesting....

[homplte]

@vxe6vxe6 It is not that the engines do not have enough torque, but the nose ski builds up suction that it takes the 1000 LBS. of JATO thrust for 15 seconds to break the nose ski free of the ice.

Frankie Williams OAE 75-80

[ranger8997]

@vxe6vxe6 Negative. Air is more dense in the cold. Those engines, are goin to make torque like there's no tomorrow in that kind of weather.

[vxe6vxe6]

@ranger8997 do you know where the polar plateau in the east Antarctic region?

The altitude is about 10,00 feet.

Run the numbers on how much torque the engines are making at 10,000 feet at say 12 degrees f.

The nose ski is going to stick if the snow is warm or if the crew has done a couple aborted take-offs or is trying to take off right after landing in warm snow.

[vxe6vxe6]

@ranger8997 I have been out there after picking up a science party. We had no JATO, the snow was warm.

We got the nose airborne at 75 knots, we were still dragging the skies long after we left the end of the runway.

We finally got airborne (in ground effect) and then airborne after a couple miles.

Not an experince I would want to do over again, and after seeing how many hercs VXE-6 fucked up using JATO I would have rather taken my chances not using JATO.

[vxe6vxe6]

@ranger8997 There's a reason why the NYANG is going to the Sunstrand NP2000 8 bladed props, it's because they offer more thrust at lower speeds / higher runway altitudes, they will increase the climb rate and cruise speed.

The current crop of JATO bottles were made in the early 60's, they are running out of them.

There's a reason why Fat Albert no longer does JATO shots.

[SenorSpode]

@ranger8997 But what about the wing? Will it make take-off lift at 9,000 feet for a climb comparable to that at sea level? Props and wings operate under the same Bernoulli Effect. The prop blades will probably be struggling, too. I'm assuming you know that take-off and climb are different conditions.

[nickgodddard]

@vxe6vxe6. I don't see how the air would be thin on the south pole. It's freezing cold and sea level. the drag is from the skis. You can't beat wheels for low resistance.

[vxe6vxe6]

@nickgodddard - Are you serious? Did you fail 8th grade geography? A quick Google search on the altitude of the South Pole shows that it's at 9,306 ft, that's a bit higher than "sea level".

[Taimak77]

Looks like strapping rockets to a flying whale! Ponderously slow with a kick in the pants. Still cool show.

[Pavouk106]

Looks like it didn't have a chance...

[stratotanker518]

What the hell was he carrying, a locomotive?

[Iceman5164]

@stratotanker518

They Carry whatever the Scientists/Soldiers need to be Carried, anything from a few Trucks, Some Equipment for measuring, digging through ice, etc. or Snowmobiles and all that good stuff. I remember them telling us what they did before we went on one of em but after I left Encampment at their Air Base they said 2 Were leaving for Greenland with some Scientists

[Iceman5164]

@stratotanker518

Plus the Pilots told me that those Ski's way them down so much and produce so much drag that it slows them down quite a bit, especially since they can't really retract them

[deadpeng]

the aircraft looks painful...

[williamwieting]

Whatever it takes the USA will make it happen.

[ildanny80]

very smart solution, especially against air pollution

[lemonhead112]

That's cool. Does it have ski type things on the wheels? Looks like it.

[york2600]

the LC-130 is the ski version of the C-130.

[damnpoor]

I was amazed at how long the takeoff "rolls" are down there. You'd think cold air, lots of power, easy lift. That snow really puts a damper on things.

[tisoy909]

Actually this is RATO.

[tisoy909]

looked as if the nose came down for a bit after he hit the JATO.

[sonofdamocles]

Damn, I didn't know they still used these. You can thank Jack Parsons himself for those things.

[york2600]

We're still using the original stocks

[stantheman567]

Interesting.

[mrpantsman8888]

its "JATO," not Jatto

[lowestsodium]

Oops..thanks for catching that.

[mrpantsman8888]

very welcome. its still a sweet video