The Catholic Church is one of the most despicable organizations ever known to man. Not many other organizations have such a LONG history of oppression, corruption, and levels of spiritual, psychological, physical, and sexual abuse. This Church has too much blood on its hands for a simple apology from the Pope a thousand years after its atrocities were committed to fix.
What the fuck's wrong with Bill Maher? The Catholic League Of Pedophiles called him and he back-peddles? He should have told them to go fuck themselves. He should have recorded hiself telling them to go fuck themselves and he should have aired it. The Pope is a Nazi and he's a pedophile too and if the Catholic league doesn't like hearing it they can go fuck themselves.The catholic league is a part of the world's largest pedophile ring. Head office? The vatican.
@TheMissingAngels Well He technically didn't back peddle hahaha. It's more like Bill Maher already has so much material on The Pope that even if he throws that detail out it still looks horrible. haha Like ummm ok I will take back the Nazi comment like that is the only wrong with the Pope hahaha.
To be honest, I was surprised to hear Maher make the connection between homosexuality & pedophilia
However, he hasn't yet learned to play "connect the dots" all that well. If he wants to connect the Pope to Nazism, it requires only to state that the Nazis were Satanic & whomever sits in the office of Pope is the anti-christ
The Nazi's Satanism is well documented & "anti-christ" is Greek, which when translated into Latin its "vicar of christ"
{think their is more to this story than any of us know}
Firstly, it should be stated that the information I'm about to divulge shouldn't lead anyone to perceive that all Catholics, whether from clergy or congregants can be implicated. The Catholic institution has always contained, both, a good truly Christian group & a bad Pagan/Satanic group. Their fruits make them identifiable. Evidence of the good can be seen such as in the Dark Ages when Monks dedicated entire
lifetimes to the preservation of scriptures within highly elevated, remote, monastery locations, while denying themselves of the carnal pleasures of the world. More recently, hospitals, orphanages & other social welfare institutions were founded & operated by persons dedicating lifetimes to serve God & man. I myself benefited from quality grade school education with a principal whom perceived & worried for every child as if we were her own
to wield power. However, every powerful deception contains a degree of truth. The Romans didn't have a choice, their truth was necessarily Judeo-Christian literature, the Holy Scriptures...which happen to be the most powerful truth. Thus, many within the institution were influenced by that most powerful truth into true Christianity
The impostorship from the Pagans is clearly evident. The Pope's Sumerian fish hat miter. The Pagan/Satanic characteristic form of exploitative,
subjugating, authoritarian rule over the populations. Notably exhibited while calling that which Protestantism identifies as doctrinal differences, "heresy" & killing the accused. For the purpose of maintaining rule over all, while Protestants traditionally branched by forming another denomination. When Monarchs were the norm, the office of Pope was the throne that ruled the thrones & during the Inquisition, the Romans murdered Jews & Christians... the 2 peoples from the Bible
Hardly what one would expect from Christians...but rather, from Satanists. From start to finish, the Inquisition was always the Pope's baby. Indeed, whomever sits in the office of Pope is the Anti-Christ & they make no bones about it. "Vicar of Christ" is Latin. Directly translated into Greek, yields "Anti-Christ"
Certainly, Rome must have a "Little Caesars" pizza. Place a phone call. You'll find it necessary to dial Rome's recently changed area calling code...06 06 06
Evil has always abundantly abounded on Earth. The Earth is Satan's domain & precisely as he offered all the Earth's kingdoms (+ wealth) to Jesus, he delegates them to whomever he chooses. The Pope possesses the greatest wealth on Earth, greater still than the Rothschild wealth. In fact, the Rothschild manage his wealth...as the world's ruling corporate oligarchy directly serve the Pope
All the top Nazi party members were Roman Catholic. Not from the Christian group, but the Satanic
They served as an obedient extension to the Vatican, while maintaining a public appearance of independent sovereignty from the church...for obvious reasons. The Romans have a long history of antisemitism & certainly, Satan has always sought to exterminate the "Apple of God's Eye"
In contrast, the truly Christian, Protestant heritage of America has always provided a safe haven for the Jews. Beginning with George Washington promising that America will not tolerate antisemitic bigotry
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Bill Maher is a jerk - I am not catholic and really dislike their policy... but Ratzinger a nazi?!?!?!
The nationalsocialist party was elected in 1933. The pope was born in... 1927! So he was ... six years old you fucking prick!
The regime ended in 1945 - So even if there would have been any elections during the dictatorship (or the state of emergency on which it was based) he would have been 18.
Problem: At that time only germans who had reached the age of 21 were allowed to vote!
@SuperJuliusC Not everyone who voted hitler was a nazi buddy. Plus, the regime might have ended in 1945, that means no nazis are out there anymore? So your argument is invalid.
@SuperJuliusC dude, maher was joking about the pope being a nazi beecause he was a member of the hitlerjugend at the time. so no, he wasn't a nazi, and no, he didn't vote for hitler, it was a joke...
@ThePsychoReturns What you're saying is indefensibly stupid and dismissive. There's no basis, you have no evidentary argument to support this & you're just another quoter of immature, would-be intellectual, shock jocks like Bill Maher the nasal scraping.
@plentymule He was in charge of the official vatican coverup of the priest abuse scandals. He prevented sex abuse victims from getting justice, just to try to protect the church from scandal.
He can't possibly apologise for a crime so disgusting.
@ThePsychoReturns I spoke too soon. Having looked at your page - Cole, the man of wealth & taste - it's obvious you've got a few screws loose upstairs.
well, well, whataya know...if it isn't the one & only zombified "Psycho" back from the grave
Hey Psycho, are you still biologically composed, 100% of millions of retained, accumulated reproductive defects? Well we know at least 1 reproductive defect accounts for the "psycho"
I better quit, I don't mean to give you horrid flashbacks of when our paths first crossed at a Blunderf00l video. No need to stick your head in a cranial colonoscopy
Can you cite the source where you get that information from? Because I don't believe there is any credible evidence supporting your claim that ratzinger covered this up. It was actually people like those in the media who distorted the facts and made things out to be different than they actually were. Also how can anyone other than the pope take credit for the policies the pope himself passed? If anything the pope was enlightened to this grave matter, not pressured by the media to take action.
3. Only because of this massive media pressure the pope reacted, without it he would have never done anything. I think this reaction is right and he deserves a little credit for that, but considering the circumstances he can't be to proud.
dudes forget whether or not nazis are worse than the catholic church, both need to be eradicated (or in the case of the church, seriously reformed) for the crimes they've committed against humanity!
I wonder when Bill Mahar will do a Satyr on Holly Weird. If we are talking honestly. Let him focus on some of the really obnoxious, perverted and down right criminal behavior in Holly Weird. Nah..he won't do that. They pay him!! John Travolta...There's a great dude. Runs to India and has Gay love after his son passes away. While his wife is having lesbian relations with her live in lover girl.
When Christians say the pope is not their "pope" your delusional. I'm sorry a pope walks into a protestant church they are all praying to the same god. The pope will ALWAYS lead a christian prayer i don't care what denomination you are. They are a religious govt. and by that if we taxed land use of churches just like we don't tax the Walmart MNC's buildings because they are removed from our jurisdiction through Reaganomics and NAFTA. Tax churchs and companies. We could pay off the debt.
I am a Catholic of the Christian left and hate any preacher who raped children and I also believe they will suffer more than the average rapist in hell. I also believe that priests should have the right to get married, that would end the flooding of the Catholic church with pedophile priests. I still love the virgin Mary and Jesus Christ our savior. We have to see past these awful things. As for Bill I always thought he was funny and I will not judge you.
@Axworth Did you ever think that maybe these 'pedophiles' become priests to aid in their search for victims. Religion is a totally authoritative institution, and being a figure of authority, young people (well all age groups it would seem) tend to follow/believe whatever is preached to them.
Questioning and faith - do not go hand in hand.
Pedophile priests are kind of like evangelical preachers, only the evangelical's are only after money (ok, some power too).
I was born and raised a catholic, most of my friends are catholic. This is not controversial at all, it's light compared with what we say about the child raping bastards.
As much as i think the catholic church is responsible for a lot of wrong doing on this planet, they are still way better than Nazis. And Ratzinger never was a Nazi. He was in the Hitler Youth, but that is not "sort of" beeing a Nazi. Beeing in the Hitler Youth was mandatory for every young boy or girl in Germany during the Nazi-regime & says nothing about your political thinking, & btw young Ratzinger did everything to stay away from Nazi institutions as long as possible.
May I point out that virtually every Nazi war criminal who managed to escape did so with the help of catholic churches as stop off points. Also, Ratzinger has told people in Africa that using condoms will give them AIDs, the death toll from that will make the holocaust look trivial by the sheer numbers of dead.
That's why i said, i think the catholic church is responsible for a lot of wrong doing. Still they are no Nazis. Plus i think you got your fact a little wrong here, the pope did tell people in Africa using condoms is forbidden, but from the Holocaust died 6 Mio Jews/Gypsies/Socialists/Gays in concentration camps and an est. 50-70 Mio people in war. Aids will not top that horrible numbers any time soon, no matter how hard the catholic church tries to ;)
No, he said that using condoms increases the chance of getting AIDs, currently at least 35 million people in Africa have it, and the odds are that without precautions being taken, more will get it. It also kills a few million every year and the one person who could convince these people to stop the spread tells them the one way to do it is unsafe. The body count of that will easily top the 10 million from the holocaust.
If you really want the quote, simply google it. AIDS in the Western world is no death sentence, but in Africa, it is something that will kill you, unless you are very lucky. Can you please say where I claimed that every case could be traced to the pope, because what I said is that he is hugely responsible for its further transmission by rejecting the means to prevent it. Also, the vast majority of deaths in World war 2 were due to Japan, and the western allies bombing of cities.
I already did look on google, obviously i'm interested, but the closest thing i could find was that the pope thinks that "condoms increase the problem", because they give false sense of security and support a lifestyle of multiple sexual partners. I would still strongly disagree with that statement, but then again it is not quite the same as saying "using condoms increases the chance of getting Aids" what you claimed he said.
Plus even if Africa Aids is not a death sentence, i mean every single death is a tragedy, but the numbers of deaths because of Aids per affection decrease because slowly medical treatment is getting cheaper and cheaper, and patents run out. So even with a anti-pope interpretation of the numbers, you certainly don't get the numbers of WW2 and the Holocaust.
As for that argument, that many people died (by the way not "the vast majority", that is wrong, but still i see your point) because of other non-Nazi involved parties:
Japan were fascists, and the difference between fascists and Nazis are tiny, you can colloquially both Japan and Germany toghether sum up as Nazis.
As for the death toll of Allied bombings: Of course people died here, but the iniator of the general war were still the Nazis, and thats what counts to me.
65 million people died in WW2, 35 million of these died in China from Japanese troops. Japan was not a fascist government and in reality did not even remotely resemble one, and they fought an independent war from the nazis, the wars in Europe and the pacific had very little to do with each other and so must be view seperatly in terms of death toll. Either way, you fail to acknowledge that if one third of those with AIDs transmits, the deaths will equal the holocaust.
Even if 35 mio were "the vast majority" of up to 70 mio, which i still think is pushing it, there is something seriously wrong with your views on history. Japan was not a fascist government? Well, i know the precise definition variies, but i'm sure that Japan "did not even remotly resemble" a fascist government would never reach a consensus amongst historians, that is a pretty bald interpretation just to make a point. So sorry, but Nazis are still much worse, i stand by it.
PS: also your missing a very important point. Not solely the total number of deaths due to failed politics and power gone mad count, but also you would have to view on the death per timeperiod count. The catholic church and their failures happened over a much longer time. If the Nazis would have had 1000 years of time in power on their hands, we would even start to compare the numbers...
Yes, but that would be offset by the fact that the entire worlds population was orders of magnitude smaller, thus in percentage of population, I think they would be similar.
No, they aren't similar. Even if you factor in the shortened time frame the Nazis had as a player in power, plus the smaller world population to reduce for the catholics.
You have some good point, but no matter how you bend it, catholics - even the fundamentalist ones in power of church policy making - are not nearly as bad as Nazis.
OK, so I suppose I will move on to the fact that most of the nazi elite were catholics, most of the population of Germany, including those wo ran the concentration camps and the fact that almost every nazi who escaped did so by running from one catholic church to the next on the path to freedom
Again you have some misinformation there. 13% of German population is practicing catholic (registered in a church), that is far from "most of the population" and i doubt the number was much higher during WW2. Yes, the catholic church helped high profile Nazis to escape to South America, but just because they worked toghether, they are not the same. That is like saying the US government is Al Quaida, because a couple decades ago they worked toghether (against the Soviets).
Thank you, for providing 2 examples of straw men. My main point was that the leaders running the death camps were Catholic, and this was not some relationship[ of convenience, many in the Catholic hierarchy openly endorsed the Nazis activities and helped them escape. That is very different than arming people fighting your enemies.
So your argument is, while the first collaboration was openly, the US-Taliban-cooperation was more secretive, and therefore somehow you cannot compare this?
Straw man. No, my argument is that a wartime alliance is very different from condoning actions, The Americans helped (In their view), the lesser of 2 evils, the Catholics openly condoned the Holocaust, with no real benefit for themselves. Therefore they supported the actions of the Nazis.
Well if you want to focus on the differences here, why not also see why they condoned the Holocaust: That's kind of their dogma. If someone truely regrets und confesses, the catholic church forgives. And so they helped catholic Nazis who claimed to regret to escape Germany after WW2 or in the late WW2. You may disagree with that practice of condoning (at least i do), but it is arguable if a moral imperative (pope) or cold calculated power politics (US) is a "better" motive.
A moral imperative cannot be used to justify acts like the holocaust and if it is, that imperative must be done away with. You also pointed out the truly disgusting thing about Catholicism, mass murderers are forgiven if they repent, but the Jews they slaughtered will burn in hell, because they never had a chance to.
Yes, again, that's why I am not catholic and never will be, and I don't agree with this, I think it's wrong. I'm pretty sure I already said that. But that still doesn't mean catholics = Nazis. Still, no matter how you bend it. Even Bill Maher corrected himself, so why can't you admit this? ;)
@Jonathanizer The catholic church is also responsible for a lot of good. 1) without catholicism in europe our notion of government would never have developed to the point it has today. 2) literacy was kept alive during the dark ages through monasticism. 3) the church is the largest charity institution in the world 4) catholic hospitals encompass one quarter of the worlds healthcare. Also, Pope John Paul II (the former pope) was a key figure in ending communism in the west.
1) You claim that, but that's nothing more than a claim. tbh I doubt it, because catholicism is rarely democratic, it is meritocratic at best.
2) Yeah? But then again the Dark Ages were only that because of the almighty church blocking social progress and science.
3) The church is also the largest child molesting group, no other group has more convicted pedophiles. And their redistribution of wealth could be done more efficient by other groups.
@Jonathanizer 1) Without religion coming into play great monarchies would have never been able to govern such a mass of people. The reasons why the romans were so successful is because they used religion to their advantage, we duplicated the romans to some extent in the middle ages. 2) science had nothing to do with economics, the collapse of the roman empire was the root of the chaos and illiteracy.
1) And how do you come to the conclusion, that monarchies are good or relevant as step towards democracy? That's such a nonesense...
2) Science has nothing to do with economics? Do you even read what you write? The church used their power to limit education and science, they kept it at the minimum level necessary to keep the system running. Crediting the church with keeping literacy alive is like crediting Hitler with leaving a couple jews alive. Its absurd.
@Jonathanizer 3) Thats simple mathematics. There are child abuse scandals at the same rate in all other religious sects, but there are more cases in the church because the church is simply the largest group. If judaism took the place of catholicism in america nothing would change, the problem doesn't spawn from the church itself but human disposition. And I can use the same argument you're using regarding the redistribution of wealth, nothing more than a claim. 4) thats a solid fact, look it up.
3) Simple mathematics? Thats so ignorant. The church imposes a system of dogmata and secrecy that enables pedophiles and protects theses predetors, even if they abuse victims over decades. That's not the usual black sheep quota every large group of people has, that's different to jews or hindus or whoever. So the problem is the human disposition, and a beliefsystem that aggrevates this disposition. So what I meant was that the catholics have the most convicted pedophiles per 1000 ppl.
@Jonathanizer You assume that every case against catholic priests are true. Accusation is one thing and reality is another, but all it takes is the accusation for a priest to be ruined. Yes some of these accusations are true, but in my opinion most of them have been embellished or completely made up either by the supposed victim or the media in effort to extort and tear down the church. However, I do agree with you that the church handled it in the wrong way.
But the overwhelming number of cases makes it plausible, that many accusations are probably true. Also this is supported by the catholic church system that more than any other religion suppresses the natural sexuality of their priests, which worsens the problem in my opinion.
@Jonathanizer About 50% of americans identify themselves as protestant christian, as opposed to around 20% who say they're roman catholic. From those statistics we can make a logical assertion that more child abuse cases occur in protestant denominations as there are more protestant establishments. A person isn't more likely to be a pedophile because he is a priest... and theres just as many pedophiles anywhere else. The media just likes to attack the church over other religious organizations.
So 50% are protestants and 20% catholic, and where is that anyhow proof, that there are more protestant abuse cases? Just saying there are more protestants, so there must be more abuse isn't good enough. The rate of abuse cases, and probably the total number of cases as well are so high, because of the catholic specifics that don't occur in other many other religions, secrecy and sexual repression.
@Jonathanizer Actually secrecy is practiced by all pedophiles...school, day camp, summer camp, boy scout, and sports coaches/employees all have reputations to uphold. Same goes for other religions. Who's to say the same amount of secrecy dosen't take place? Do you have reliable sources? Its just that the media likes to turn up the volume, so to speak, on the catholic church. The media plays on the fact that the church tried to handle it internally, which I believe was wrong.
@Jonathanizer Since most victims are above the age of adolescence, I think its more of a problem with homosexuality rather than actual pedophilia. But I doubt allowing priests to marry would solve the problem, however it may reduce it slightly.
So if you claim there are more protestant abuse cases, give a source, or don't say it in the first place, because I'm pretty sure you are wrong. And the same accounts for your claim the majority of the victims isn't underaged, from what source do you have that info? And btw, I'm talking of their age at the time of the abuse, not their age now, years later. There is a GIANT difference between consensual gay sex, and child abuse, please don't mix those two up.
@Jonathanizer I won't pretend I have a specific and reliable source, but I have done a lot of research. Whats your source that has led you to believe that abstinence in the priesthood is the cause of their pedophilia? Thats only speculation. What is true, however, is that approximately 80% percent of pedophiles in america are married men, and thats not including countries like that of the middle east where all men take wives, and where still pedophilia is socially acceptable, Libya for example.
As for that secrecy thing: of course every sexual predetor needs that for his wrong-doing, but in institutions of the church there is a culture of secrecy which seems to be a fertile soil. This of course isn't scientific proof, but my own opinion. Same accounts for the "repressed sexuality" conclusion, that isn't scientificly proven (which would probably be very hard to do), but in a way I feel this is common sense, and a good reason against religion dictating priests (none-)sexuality.
@Jonathanizer This is an example where you are misinformed by what I assume to be the media. The church handling the scandal internally leads way to a lot of speculation. You have to remember that back before pedophilia was even addressed, no one even talked about, it was a social problem not a problem only found in the church but everywhere. The Vatican has and does, corresponding with the current times, try immensely to suppress and discourage pedophila in the church as much as they can.
@Jonathanizer I was an altar boy a few years ago, and a priest was especially friendly with me and my brother, teaching us card tricks and bringing us sodas and snacks all the time. He became a close friend of the family. And I can tell you that other employees and priests at the shrine were so suspicious and cautious simply because the priest was being friendly to us, that they didn't want us near him, and pretty much gave us the signal they wanted us to stop being altar boys there.
And it is actually never the church that initiated any precautions, they only do what they were forced to do by media, members of their church and the resulting social pressure. I am really sorry, that your nice priest was wrongly suspected because of the wrong doings of other priests and the resulting mistrust, but somewhere because of that same mistrust some potential abuse was prevented. Sadly it is hard to keep balance between catching bad guys and not bothering the good guys.
@Jonathanizer Lol don't be sorry its not like I give a fuck, I'm just trying to give you insight through my own experience. And yes thats exactly why the church is taking precautions, I completely agree with you. But you just contradicted yourself. You said the church is fertile ground for child abuse, yet it is discouraged so much to the point that innocent priests are accused even if its just a suspicion. Did you know priests have been "thrown out" by their superiors simply from accusations?
I am not contradicting myself, I said the secretive and sexually repressive church system layed the groundwork for a higher chance child abuse than in other social surroundings, but because child abuse happenend in the past due to this system, there has been a compensation reaction that now (partly?) averts this 'fertile ground', and that is hightened precaution. This is a chain of causes and reactions, and no contradiction.
@Jonathanizer This secretive and repressive system was every where before child abuse recently came into the spotlight. How was a child more likely to be abused by a priest than a coach, teacher, or instructor who's actual job it was to be around children? When its just one of these instructors the individual and maybe a few others are involved. When it happens with catholic priests, and the church makes the mistake of trying to handle the matter internally, a lot of embellishment ensues.
There is a big difference to a coach of a sports team. If that guy herasses you, you have a easier time accusing that guy. Not that it always happens, but more often than not. If you are student on a catholic boarding school or an orphanage, you are much less likely to accuse your tormentor. And even if you do, his superior (prior to this scandal breaking the news) would often even do nothing about it. Thats what happened in thousands of confirmed cases.
@Jonathanizer The same goes for secularized orphanages and boarding schools, how can you argue they wouldn't have the same amount of secrecy? I think any organization would want to avoid a lawsuit, and any head of that organization would want to keep his/her job. The ratio of secular orphanages and schools in this country topple the amount of christian ones 10 to 1. (Im metaphorically speaking, I don't know the actually numbers)
If you think secularized orphanages and boarding schools have the problem in the same magnitude you are wrong, just look at the different incentives. If a student on a catholic boarding school goes and tells the superior a priest is molesting him, his best choice is to cover it up to avoid damage to the church, for a government official to cover up such a thing would have little to no benefit and high risks, so his best choice to deal with the problem.
@Jonathanizer I guess you have a point. A catholic boarding school would probably be more likely to try and cover it up, but I don't believe child abuse happens more often in catholic organizations than it does anywhere else. Your argument is that the lifestyle of a priest leads to pedophilia and homosexuality? Why would their restriction to marriage matter if they are homosexual? Its not like its impossible for them to have relations with women...the priesthood isn't prison
My (and as I understand Bill Mahers) criticism of the child abuse cases in catholic institutions are mainly directed at the way this is handled by the chruch. Child abuse can occur everywhere, even if you try to set up the environment in a way that makes it hard, but few organisations seem to care so little about the rights of the victims, and seems to have so little interest in solving the crimes and convicting the predators like the Vatican does, and that's the popes fault.
@Jonathanizer You're exactly right, that is the reason they receive so much criticism but it is also the reason for myths such as that the church in no way does anything to put an end to child abuse. Back in the day, they thought pedophilia could be cured, and legal action wasn't taken because there was relatively no legal action taken against pedophiles before the 1980s. Rumors and speculation lead to the common belief that the church is doing little to stop child abuse.
@Jonathanizer I suggest you follow up on canon law before you make assertions based on rumors. The pope has passed a law stating that any predator found is to be expelled from the priesthood immediately, among various other steps to put an end to child abuse within the church.
But Ratzinger (back when he was a cardinal) also ordered to cover up those incidents, and not help the victims, or solve the alleged mistreatments. The reason why they acted recently (after hundreds and hundreds of years of doing nothing against this church system being set up in a unfavorable way) is not insight from the church officials themselves, but social pressure from the church base and the media. This isn't something the pope can credit himself with.
Also you misunderstand my criticism of catholic priesthood. A priest that is not allowed to have physical relations with a women has to sacrifice a lot for his belief. Unless he has no interest in that kind of sex anyways. It is like you put "perverts who have to keep their sexuality secret anyways are welcome" in the employment ad. Of course few priest are actualy perverts, but with celibacy you attract perverts too and then Vatican puts these guys in positions of trust...
@Jonathanizer What I'm getting at is that the church is extremely precautions nowadays and priests who are actually good men and believe in what they are doing cannot preform their duties without suspicion and are constantly attacked and discriminated against, mainly by the secular society, which is heavily influenced by the media.
If anything, the media is anti-Islam. Fearmongering gets your channel viewers, pointing out that there is a billion peaceful muslims doesn't. Another mark 9/11 has left on our society. So saying the media is anti-Christian and goes overboard is making it too easy for the Vatican. You think Vatican does all they can to fight the problem? I think they do all they can to make it look like they fight the problem without actually having to change anything, they hate any substancial change.
@Jonathanizer I didn't mean post adolescent, I meant post pubescent (my mistake) so scientifically speaking rather than legally speaking abuse cases are a result of homosexuality instead of the pedophilia. But it's still classified as pedophilia, I'm just saying the two are aligned with each other.
I understand there is a difference between desire for a 17 year old girl/boy that looks old for his age, and desire for a 9 year old. I was primarily referring to the latter. And please don't blame this one on the media. This whole pedophilia debacle is one thing, where the media did something good, they brought attention to an issue that needs to be addressed. Of course they have their own interest: viewers/readers, but that doesn't make them generelly wrong or bad.
I do agree with you that this problem needs to be addressed, and I think the media did help bring some of the pedophile priests to justice, but the media discriminates against christianity unceasingly, particularly catholicism as it is the single largest christian sect. Targeting islam or judaism would be considered politically incorrect and when they are cause way more controversy than insulting the church, where there is never a reaction.
I don't agree that the media is anti-christianity, not in America. For example when the underwear bomber was caught the media had no problem instantly calling him a muslim terrorist. But when in Norway Breivik killed dozens of people, they discuss whether he's christian or not. Of course he is christian, a misguided fanatic fundamentalist maniac, but nevertheless a christian. And if this is a discussion, why are we never having a discussion if those muslim terrorists are really muslim?
@Jonathanizer I remember seeing the underwear bombers name which alluded to the fact he was muslim, and his ethnicity made it more likely for him to be muslim. And lets be honest, we were all thinking the same thing; that he had connections with Al Qaeda, something that turned out to be correct. I think a lot of Americans, including the media, are prejudiced against islam but we don't openly bash them on a regular basis. Insult islam you get death threats. Insult christianity nothing happens.
@Jonathanizer But society will in the most part, protect islam from prejudice on the sole reason of being "politically correct." You can even find it on youtube. Go to any youtube video insulting or poking fun at Islam and you'll see an array of users protecting islam and dismissing the video as racist, biased, immature, ignorant, and prejudiced. Go to a youtube video making fun of the pope or the church: everyone thinks its funny as hell... and they completely agree with the implication.
I saw reports where they instatly said the underwear bomber is a muslim terrorist. And thats true. But why then even trying to deny that Breivik is a christian terrorist? And btw, that he was part of Al Qaeda is not proven, you seem to be not very good adjusting your media filters as well ;)
The only thing proven was that he followed the blog of Al Qaeda radical Al Awlaki, but that's hardly been part of this terrorist group. If you ask me, it doesn't matter anyway.
@Jonathanizer He may not have been officially part of al qaeda but he was a muslim extremist nonetheless, which is evident through his own testimonies in court. The natural reaction to one of these plots being foiled is wether the perpetrator/perpetrators are muslim, and we have justification to impose that question. It wasn't christian extremists who flew planes into the world trade center, and its not christian extremists who are the cause of most terrorism based on religious extremism.
Of couse it wasn't christians who flew the planes into the twin towers, now we don't need to state those simple facts. But I think I'd rather be a christian than a muslim (if I had to choose), because violence and social pressure against moderate and upright muslims is much more likely than against christian, I'm pretty sure I have even recently read a statistics on that. But muslim terrorists a much better fit for news on tv, and that's what i mean with anti-Islam media.
@Jonathanizer True, christianity is accepted because its a western religion, of which influence is instilled in the United States. Islam is like an outsider, spreading rapidly in the west, and I think a lot of people (for the right reasons) have a problem with that. One of the things Bill Maher said that I agree with is that we are socially advanced enough to insult our own religions (christianity) without having to worry about people getting killed over it. Still,But why extend Islam courtesy?
Why is Islam an outsider? Because it came couple hundred years later to USA? Religion is a personal choice, there are no outsiders or insiders in a country that grants human rights, which include freedon of religion. This thinking that christianity is a superior religion and Islam a evil intruder threatening something or somebody we like is sickening. Both these religions should be treated the same way, and saying they aren't has right reasons borders on ignorance.
@Jonathanizer What I mean is that Islam is far newer in the west than christianity and judaism and is perceived as an outside religion because it originated and dominates in the middle east, and is at the same time growing significantly in western civilizations, it is also perceived to be an outside religion because their customs and role of women contradict our constitution.You're implying that I have something against Islam, including freedom of religion, which I don't.
@Jonathanizer But I do have a problem with Islam when the quran itself is used as justification to wage jihad on american citizens, and when women are degraded by having to cover themselves up, not allowed to go to school, and basically having no rights whatsoever.
@Jonathanizer I don't know how you can sit there an tell me that judaism and islam receive the same amount of attack and ridicule than christianity, particularly catholicism. It is socially acceptable to verbally attack the catholic church while doing so to islam or judaism would be considered politically incorrect. Yes islam and judaism are ridiculed, but not to the same extant as christianity.
First: I didn't say "that judaism and islam receive the same amount of attack and ridicule than christianity". Since there are much more christians, criticism such as satire or attacks on christian persons of public interest that have done something wrong or controversial are much more likely to be a news topic. But I objected to your claim, that the media is particularly "anti-christian" and is not just as critical of Islam and then I named examples to debunk your claim.
I agree, that Islam is not dealing well with criticism, such as satire. That has to get better, or the bad impression of Islam will stay forever. I truely belief that criticism always should be allowed, and if muslims think it shouldn't be allowed concerning Islam, Then they are wrong, and only give reason for more criticism when they send death threats at Danish cartoonists or South Park writers. But the bias is not with the media here, it is with the guys reaction on media.
@Coolz444 It's not a problem with homosexuality, it's a problem with the abuse and rape of children. In all cases, the victims were not consenting adults - they were children and young adolescents. Pedophilia is a very different question than mere homosexuality. It would be like saying that when an adult man rapes a 13 year old girl, the problem is "one of heterosexuality and not pedophilia". It's a worthwhile distinction to make.
4) Thats not a solid fact, thats a naive claim. I don't need to look it up, I know about this topic, but probably you should look it up. The former pope was an important person, but most experts think - as do I - that solidarnosc and end of comunism would have gone the same way without him. Your claim is as good as the the claim, that without the help of catholic church the Nazis would not have rose to power in Germany, and consequently comunism wouldn't have spread over Europe in WW2.
@Jonathanizer I was using the healthcare figure as a "solid fact" not the downfall of communism. And yes communism probably would have ended anyway, but that doesn't mean the pope didn't help bring about its end.
Also, If you put all the protestant churches together in the same barrel than the cases of abused children would be way more than that of catholic priests, and if you try and say otherwise I would dismiss you as incredibly ignorant and downright prejudiced.
You obviously see good where you want to see it, not where it is. You credit the church with running 25% of the hospitals? Well do you credit the Nazis with running 100% of the hospitals when they were in power? Of course not, running a hospital would work just as good, if some other group (eg a charity NGO) would take the same donations the chruch uses to fund the hospitals. Or do you think, medicine doesn't work without prayer?
@Jonathanizer What are you talking about? you're comparing the catholic church to the nazis? The nazi seized control of the hospitals by force and propaganda, they didn't open hospitals like the church does. And I don't doubt the fact that hospitals would run as good if run by some other group, but why are you so against catholic hospitals? does it really make a difference?
And yes it is a solid fact that 25 percent of the worlds healthcare system is catholic if I'm wrong give me the statistics
I'm not against catholic hospitals, I say it doesn't matter if donations are given to the catholic church and they run a hospital with that money, or if that donations go to another organisation that runs a hospital with that money.
Where do you have the figure, that there are more abuse cases by protestant priests/officials? (no rhetoric quetion, I want to know). I don't care for any religion, to be clear. And as for accusations: I cannot jugde which case is true and which is not.
@Jonathanizer As fascinating as that is, and true, I believe that misleading statement was just a low slur in the lead-up of his previous occupation: shuffling cloth-wearing pedefiles into fresh pastures. He's still scum of the earth.
I agree, then again if it is a misleading statement, why not leave it out at all? Because it sounds better if there is something Naziesk in the mix. I don't expect the deepest and most solid fact-checking in Bills entertaining rants, but at least he should not include misleading and verifiable invalid 'info'. Especially when this distracts from his main point, which deserves full attentiveness.
@Jonathanizer The Catholic church never excommunicated a single Nazi for being a Nazi. Goebbels was excommunicated for marrying a Protestant, and that is all!
The Final Solution evolved as a direct result of the Catholic Church's policy of anti-Semitism.
The Catholic church has a lot to answer for as far as its relationship with the Nazis is concerned.
Maybe. I'm really not interested in defending the catholic church, as I said I'm sure the are responsible for a lot of bad things and I don't care for catholics, or other Christians, or Muslims, or Jews, or Hindus or any other storys about imaginary invisible space daddies. But I'm saying even without defending them I know, that catholics and Nazis (even they have connections) are really not the same & that people think being in the Hitler Youth makes the pope a Nazi is not right.
@Jonathanizer He may have stayed away from Nazi institutions, but it's a shame he always routinely stayed away from child abuse claims throughout the church - including moving child rapists around only so that they could abuse a new group of children each time. What Ratzinger did as Pope (and prior) is outright disgusting and immoral. I actually think his real history is far worse than any potential Nazi claim, ironically enough.
I agree that his policy of keeping this a secret instead of helping the victims is terrible. The church unfortunately has a long history of sacrificing transparency for the veneer. But still this is not "far worse" than Nazi claims. I grew up in Germany, which means learning in school very extensively about the cruelties of the Nazis. And they have done things... hindering to enlighten the sex abuse scandal is not "far worse". Its bad, but Nazis and their deeds are worse.
@Jonathanizer I think you misunderstood me. I did not talk about the Nazis deeds. I said that his links to the Nazi Party (via Hitler Youth) is not nearly as bad as his the cover up and systematic protection of child torture and rape en masse. His relationship with the Nazis was obviously tenuous at best - I think that's already been pointed out (including by Maher himself).
@fesveldt One is religious because it was told, when a kid, to be so. It's a mind conditioning, in other words, brain washing. All organized religions are bad, a cover up for bad things, including within one self. They're upset because their believes are shaken but they don't accept because that would proof them wrong when they must be right. Unfortunately it may take some guts to face it.
@Abr022575 Who needs a clue? Bill? The other youtubers under you? Earth? Lets face it read your bibles if even half of that shit is true the Catholic church is the anti christ
@ferretburger yes they did get bailed out, just in a backdoor way. JP Morgan Chase was given a $30 billion dollar loan from the Fed to buy Bear Stearns after the Fed backed out of a $25 billion loan to Bear Stearns. So yes, if you want to get technical, they didn't directly receive the money from the government, however JP Morgan used government funds to buy Bear Stearns. Either way, they were bailed out by us. Get your facts straight.
Wow! Bought at $10 a share in a fire sale! Let's just hope you or I never get bailed out at those rates.
That would be like the FDIC paying you 1 dollar for every 13 you had in savings. Those guys sure are lucky!
To be honest, I don't think they deserved a penny, but let's not go overboard in claiming that the government saved their pathetic butts. You won't find a Bear Stearns office on Wall Street today for the first time since 1923.
shame on bill maher for calling the catholic church a cult!he should be fired!the word cult refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered bizarre.the catholic church is not bizarre!do you consider talking snakes,dead people resurrecting,putting a male and a female of "every" living being on earth in a boat and pregnant virgins abnormal?yes?then there's something wrong with you!u need help.i'll pray for you and hope that you'll be touched by jesus christ the superstar tonight.amen
The catholics who complained about Bill Maher speaking the truth about the catholic church are people who have no integrity. They cannot admit to the bitter and shameful fact that worldwide, thousands of catholic children have been raped and sodomized by their cathjolic priests. And what is their complaint about Bill Maher? For saying their pope was a nazi. Learn, grow up, see and complain about the elephant in the room : worldwide paedophilia by catholic priests. These people are in denial.
First, i love Bill, but why should people not complain about Bill calling Ratzinger a Nazi? This is simply not correct. Even if Ratzinger helped covering up acts of pedophilia, which would be terrible, doesn't mean he's everything bad you could call him. If someone commits crime A, doesn't automaticly mean hes also guilty of crime B. And the elephant in the room doesn't justify irresponsibly spewing non-facts on national television. ;)
@Jonathanizer You are not only in denial but you also have a very warped & distorted perspective of life. The fact is that anyone who is guilty of covering up worldwide pedophilia should be put be jail in the first place. You are a prime example of a brainwashed catholic who no longer knows what is right and wrong, which explains your ignoring the elephant in the room. Bill Maher has a sharp mind and immediately knows the crux of the issue. You, on the other hand, are still clueless.
Well, i'm not in denial, i'm not brainwashed, i'm not catholic, and i don't even believe in god. And i hate pedophilia, not only because i a have a kid of my own you know. And again, i think Bill Maher is great. But i still think covering up the deeds of peadophiliacs - as immoral as it is - is not the same as beeing a Nazi. And beeing member in the Hitler Youth doesn't make 14-year-old Ratzinger a Nazi. As i said, both things a bad and wrong, but they are not the same.
@Jonathanizer It is obvious you are just trying to mitigate the crimes of those who cover up pedophilia in the catholic church by deliberately ignoring the elephant in the room and talking about something else. By your trying to excuse the catholic church in their cover-up of world wide pedophilia in their organization, you show your vested interest in trying to protect the catholic reputation. In doing so, you show you are no different from them. You are a pedophilia enabler yourself.
I'm not mitigating, not excusing, not ignoring, and i really have no interest whatsoever in protecting the catholic church. I am just able to see a difference between a pedophiliac (or someone who enables a pedophiliac), and a Nazi. A Nazi and a pedophiliac is NOT the same. Is that so hard to understand? And how makes the intelectual capability to differentiate between those two categories make me a pedophiliac enabler? Or are you just out of arguments, so you switch to insults?
@Jonathanizer Yeah, you are not excusing, not ignoing, etc...you are only DIGRESSING. We don't need an idiot like you to show us the difference between a Nazi and a pedophilliac when your pope is already known by the world to be enrolled in the Nazi youth as well as the one who wrote an internal church document requesting the catholic church worldwide to cover-up the rampant pedophilia committed by the pedophile priests and swear the victims to silence. You are just a pedophile enabler.
I still don't think, that be being able to understand the difference between catholic and Nazi doesn't make me a pedophiliac enabler. And if you really think so, then you are imbecile. But my suspicion is, that you don't really think so, you are just out of arguments and facts, so you switch to insults. Fact is beeing in the Hitler Youth doesn't make a 14 boy a Nazi, it was mandatory for everyone in Germany during the Hitler dictatorship. It says nothing about your political view.
And by the way, i already explained that this is not "my pope" how you keep stating, i am not catholic nor am i anyhow connected to the catholic church. Still Nazis and catholics are something different, most people kn
The Catholic Church is one of the most despicable organizations ever known to man. Not many other organizations have such a LONG history of oppression, corruption, and levels of spiritual, psychological, physical, and sexual abuse. This Church has too much blood on its hands for a simple apology from the Pope a thousand years after its atrocities were committed to fix.
ThePhantom135 4 days ago
@ThePhantom135 I still wonder how a apology will fix it.
SamuraiM0 7 hours ago
"All the darkness in the world cannot extinguish the light of a single candle."
-St. Francis
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grownman455 2 weeks ago
When i saw words "Bill Maher" and "Pope" on same sentence i knew something extremely funny was coming lol ^_^
Jarmo187 2 weeks ago
What the fuck's wrong with Bill Maher? The Catholic League Of Pedophiles called him and he back-peddles? He should have told them to go fuck themselves. He should have recorded hiself telling them to go fuck themselves and he should have aired it. The Pope is a Nazi and he's a pedophile too and if the Catholic league doesn't like hearing it they can go fuck themselves.The catholic league is a part of the world's largest pedophile ring. Head office? The vatican.
TheMissingAngels 3 weeks ago
@TheMissingAngels Well He technically didn't back peddle hahaha. It's more like Bill Maher already has so much material on The Pope that even if he throws that detail out it still looks horrible. haha Like ummm ok I will take back the Nazi comment like that is the only wrong with the Pope hahaha.
grownman455 2 weeks ago
"We're here, we're queer, get used to it"
To be honest, I was surprised to hear Maher make the connection between homosexuality & pedophilia
However, he hasn't yet learned to play "connect the dots" all that well. If he wants to connect the Pope to Nazism, it requires only to state that the Nazis were Satanic & whomever sits in the office of Pope is the anti-christ
The Nazi's Satanism is well documented & "anti-christ" is Greek, which when translated into Latin its "vicar of christ"
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grownman455 2 weeks ago
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{think their is more to this story than any of us know}
Firstly, it should be stated that the information I'm about to divulge shouldn't lead anyone to perceive that all Catholics, whether from clergy or congregants can be implicated. The Catholic institution has always contained, both, a good truly Christian group & a bad Pagan/Satanic group. Their fruits make them identifiable. Evidence of the good can be seen such as in the Dark Ages when Monks dedicated entire
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grownman455 2 weeks ago
lifetimes to the preservation of scriptures within highly elevated, remote, monastery locations, while denying themselves of the carnal pleasures of the world. More recently, hospitals, orphanages & other social welfare institutions were founded & operated by persons dedicating lifetimes to serve God & man. I myself benefited from quality grade school education with a principal whom perceived & worried for every child as if we were her own
Nevertheless, the institution was founded
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grownman455 2 weeks ago
to wield power. However, every powerful deception contains a degree of truth. The Romans didn't have a choice, their truth was necessarily Judeo-Christian literature, the Holy Scriptures...which happen to be the most powerful truth. Thus, many within the institution were influenced by that most powerful truth into true Christianity
The impostorship from the Pagans is clearly evident. The Pope's Sumerian fish hat miter. The Pagan/Satanic characteristic form of exploitative,
Chuichupachichi 2 weeks ago
subjugating, authoritarian rule over the populations. Notably exhibited while calling that which Protestantism identifies as doctrinal differences, "heresy" & killing the accused. For the purpose of maintaining rule over all, while Protestants traditionally branched by forming another denomination. When Monarchs were the norm, the office of Pope was the throne that ruled the thrones & during the Inquisition, the Romans murdered Jews & Christians... the 2 peoples from the Bible
Chuichupachichi 2 weeks ago
Hardly what one would expect from Christians...but rather, from Satanists. From start to finish, the Inquisition was always the Pope's baby. Indeed, whomever sits in the office of Pope is the Anti-Christ & they make no bones about it. "Vicar of Christ" is Latin. Directly translated into Greek, yields "Anti-Christ"
Certainly, Rome must have a "Little Caesars" pizza. Place a phone call. You'll find it necessary to dial Rome's recently changed area calling code...06 06 06
Chuichupachichi 2 weeks ago
Evil has always abundantly abounded on Earth. The Earth is Satan's domain & precisely as he offered all the Earth's kingdoms (+ wealth) to Jesus, he delegates them to whomever he chooses. The Pope possesses the greatest wealth on Earth, greater still than the Rothschild wealth. In fact, the Rothschild manage his wealth...as the world's ruling corporate oligarchy directly serve the Pope
All the top Nazi party members were Roman Catholic. Not from the Christian group, but the Satanic
Chuichupachichi 2 weeks ago
They served as an obedient extension to the Vatican, while maintaining a public appearance of independent sovereignty from the church...for obvious reasons. The Romans have a long history of antisemitism & certainly, Satan has always sought to exterminate the "Apple of God's Eye"
In contrast, the truly Christian, Protestant heritage of America has always provided a safe haven for the Jews. Beginning with George Washington promising that America will not tolerate antisemitic bigotry
Chuichupachichi 2 weeks ago
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Bill Maher is a jerk - I am not catholic and really dislike their policy... but Ratzinger a nazi?!?!?!
The nationalsocialist party was elected in 1933. The pope was born in... 1927! So he was ... six years old you fucking prick!
The regime ended in 1945 - So even if there would have been any elections during the dictatorship (or the state of emergency on which it was based) he would have been 18.
Problem: At that time only germans who had reached the age of 21 were allowed to vote!
SuperJuliusC 1 month ago
@SuperJuliusC Not everyone who voted hitler was a nazi buddy. Plus, the regime might have ended in 1945, that means no nazis are out there anymore? So your argument is invalid.
MrFedericoaa1982 1 month ago
@MrFedericoaa1982 so the neo nazis are what exactly
darkwarriorkane 4 weeks ago
@SuperJuliusC dude, maher was joking about the pope being a nazi beecause he was a member of the hitlerjugend at the time. so no, he wasn't a nazi, and no, he didn't vote for hitler, it was a joke...
Gorattin 1 month ago
Cheap shots, easy points to score. Fuck you Bill, you've never got a nice word to say about anything.
plentymule 1 month ago
@plentymule There is no nice word to say about the pope. He is an utterly evil, despicable person.
ThePsychoReturns 1 month ago
@ThePsychoReturns What you're saying is indefensibly stupid and dismissive. There's no basis, you have no evidentary argument to support this & you're just another quoter of immature, would-be intellectual, shock jocks like Bill Maher the nasal scraping.
plentymule 1 month ago
@plentymule He was in charge of the official vatican coverup of the priest abuse scandals. He prevented sex abuse victims from getting justice, just to try to protect the church from scandal.
He can't possibly apologise for a crime so disgusting.
ThePsychoReturns 1 month ago
@ThePsychoReturns I spoke too soon. Having looked at your page - Cole, the man of wealth & taste - it's obvious you've got a few screws loose upstairs.
plentymule 1 month ago
@ThePsychoReturns
well, well, whataya know...if it isn't the one & only zombified "Psycho" back from the grave
Hey Psycho, are you still biologically composed, 100% of millions of retained, accumulated reproductive defects? Well we know at least 1 reproductive defect accounts for the "psycho"
I better quit, I don't mean to give you horrid flashbacks of when our paths first crossed at a Blunderf00l video. No need to stick your head in a cranial colonoscopy
~ The Ape Hunter ~
Chuichupachichi 1 month ago
@Chuichupachichi Are you under the impression that you won something?
ThePsychoReturns 1 month ago
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@ThePsychoReturns
{Are you under the impression that you won something?}
No, not at all, Psycho! Youtube didn't send me anything from behind doors no. 1, 2 or 3
However, I certainly remember handing you your very own barbarically brutalized, brazenly blistered, baboon butt on a silver platter
Those were the good 'ol days weren't they, Psycho?
Chuichupachichi 4 weeks ago
Funny and true.
farje1 1 month ago 15
The Pope is NOT a Nazi.
He is the son of an anti-Nazi family taht moved around a lot to avoic the grasp of the Nazis.
All boys in Germany were at some point required to be part of Hitler youth.
MrJonisaurus 1 month ago
brilliantly hilarious!
BrantFortunate 1 month ago
Can you cite the source where you get that information from? Because I don't believe there is any credible evidence supporting your claim that ratzinger covered this up. It was actually people like those in the media who distorted the facts and made things out to be different than they actually were. Also how can anyone other than the pope take credit for the policies the pope himself passed? If anything the pope was enlightened to this grave matter, not pressured by the media to take action.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
1. You have to put an address @Jo..... in your post, or I don't get a note of your answer.
2. Sources? A quick google search will reveal hundreds of sources for all this. eg:
guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/10/pope-paedophile-priests-cover-up
3. Only because of this massive media pressure the pope reacted, without it he would have never done anything. I think this reaction is right and he deserves a little credit for that, but considering the circumstances he can't be to proud.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago 3
Cheap...
swertinge07 1 month ago
dudes forget whether or not nazis are worse than the catholic church, both need to be eradicated (or in the case of the church, seriously reformed) for the crimes they've committed against humanity!
LankNprYde 1 month ago
the pope was not a nazi, i'm the furthest thing from a supporter but at that time you would have no choice in joining the hitler youth.
liamjd1 2 months ago
after this, i love bill maher...
chinamanspeakenlis 2 months ago
Love how the complaint was about the pope being called a Nazi and not about the "child fucking" stuff.
AnObviousFailure 2 months ago
I wonder when Bill Mahar will do a Satyr on Holly Weird. If we are talking honestly. Let him focus on some of the really obnoxious, perverted and down right criminal behavior in Holly Weird. Nah..he won't do that. They pay him!! John Travolta...There's a great dude. Runs to India and has Gay love after his son passes away. While his wife is having lesbian relations with her live in lover girl.
NOISLAMINUSA 2 months ago
When Christians say the pope is not their "pope" your delusional. I'm sorry a pope walks into a protestant church they are all praying to the same god. The pope will ALWAYS lead a christian prayer i don't care what denomination you are. They are a religious govt. and by that if we taxed land use of churches just like we don't tax the Walmart MNC's buildings because they are removed from our jurisdiction through Reaganomics and NAFTA. Tax churchs and companies. We could pay off the debt.
Zodiakwarrior 2 months ago
Bill is 100% right
shmoriy 2 months ago
whoever said that in order for the human species to survive, religion must die? oh right, bill maher :D
managarm1349 2 months ago
I am a Catholic of the Christian left and hate any preacher who raped children and I also believe they will suffer more than the average rapist in hell. I also believe that priests should have the right to get married, that would end the flooding of the Catholic church with pedophile priests. I still love the virgin Mary and Jesus Christ our savior. We have to see past these awful things. As for Bill I always thought he was funny and I will not judge you.
Axworth 3 months ago
@Axworth Did you ever think that maybe these 'pedophiles' become priests to aid in their search for victims. Religion is a totally authoritative institution, and being a figure of authority, young people (well all age groups it would seem) tend to follow/believe whatever is preached to them.
Questioning and faith - do not go hand in hand.
Pedophile priests are kind of like evangelical preachers, only the evangelical's are only after money (ok, some power too).
GorgeGeorg 3 months ago
I was born and raised a catholic, most of my friends are catholic. This is not controversial at all, it's light compared with what we say about the child raping bastards.
Hakiblack 3 months ago
I understand what h's saying but he doesn't have to be so smug about it. It's likehe's taking a braod brush to paint everyone with
J0k3r4U 3 months ago
He used to be a nazi??????
o.O
J0k3r4U 3 months ago
@J0k3r4U sort of. He was in the Hitler Youth
Stevie2Sxc 3 months ago
@J0k3r4U
@Stevie2Sxc
As much as i think the catholic church is responsible for a lot of wrong doing on this planet, they are still way better than Nazis. And Ratzinger never was a Nazi. He was in the Hitler Youth, but that is not "sort of" beeing a Nazi. Beeing in the Hitler Youth was mandatory for every young boy or girl in Germany during the Nazi-regime & says nothing about your political thinking, & btw young Ratzinger did everything to stay away from Nazi institutions as long as possible.
Jonathanizer 3 months ago 7
@Jonathanizer
May I point out that virtually every Nazi war criminal who managed to escape did so with the help of catholic churches as stop off points. Also, Ratzinger has told people in Africa that using condoms will give them AIDs, the death toll from that will make the holocaust look trivial by the sheer numbers of dead.
ShouldersofGiants100 2 months ago
@ShouldersofGiants100
That's why i said, i think the catholic church is responsible for a lot of wrong doing. Still they are no Nazis. Plus i think you got your fact a little wrong here, the pope did tell people in Africa using condoms is forbidden, but from the Holocaust died 6 Mio Jews/Gypsies/Socialists/Gays in concentration camps and an est. 50-70 Mio people in war. Aids will not top that horrible numbers any time soon, no matter how hard the catholic church tries to ;)
Jonathanizer 2 months ago 5
@Jonathanizer
No, he said that using condoms increases the chance of getting AIDs, currently at least 35 million people in Africa have it, and the odds are that without precautions being taken, more will get it. It also kills a few million every year and the one person who could convince these people to stop the spread tells them the one way to do it is unsafe. The body count of that will easily top the 10 million from the holocaust.
ShouldersofGiants100 2 months ago
@ShouldersofGiants100
1. Do you have a source for this quote? Seriously, i'm interested. No rhetorical question, i would want to know if this were the case.
2. Aids is not neccessarily a death sentence, and will be even less so in the future, i hope..
3. You cannot trance every single case of Aids back to the pope, he is a factor, one amongst many factors.
4. Hitler and the Nazia are not only responsible for Holocaust, but also for WW2.
Conclusion: Nazis are still the n1 scum.
Jonathanizer 2 months ago 3
@Jonathanizer
If you really want the quote, simply google it. AIDS in the Western world is no death sentence, but in Africa, it is something that will kill you, unless you are very lucky. Can you please say where I claimed that every case could be traced to the pope, because what I said is that he is hugely responsible for its further transmission by rejecting the means to prevent it. Also, the vast majority of deaths in World war 2 were due to Japan, and the western allies bombing of cities.
ShouldersofGiants100 2 months ago
@ShouldersofGiants100
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I already did look on google, obviously i'm interested, but the closest thing i could find was that the pope thinks that "condoms increase the problem", because they give false sense of security and support a lifestyle of multiple sexual partners. I would still strongly disagree with that statement, but then again it is not quite the same as saying "using condoms increases the chance of getting Aids" what you claimed he said.
Jonathanizer 2 months ago 3
@ShouldersofGiants100
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Plus even if Africa Aids is not a death sentence, i mean every single death is a tragedy, but the numbers of deaths because of Aids per affection decrease because slowly medical treatment is getting cheaper and cheaper, and patents run out. So even with a anti-pope interpretation of the numbers, you certainly don't get the numbers of WW2 and the Holocaust.
Jonathanizer 2 months ago 3
@ShouldersofGiants100
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As for that argument, that many people died (by the way not "the vast majority", that is wrong, but still i see your point) because of other non-Nazi involved parties:
Japan were fascists, and the difference between fascists and Nazis are tiny, you can colloquially both Japan and Germany toghether sum up as Nazis.
As for the death toll of Allied bombings: Of course people died here, but the iniator of the general war were still the Nazis, and thats what counts to me.
Jonathanizer 2 months ago 3
@Jonathanizer
65 million people died in WW2, 35 million of these died in China from Japanese troops. Japan was not a fascist government and in reality did not even remotely resemble one, and they fought an independent war from the nazis, the wars in Europe and the pacific had very little to do with each other and so must be view seperatly in terms of death toll. Either way, you fail to acknowledge that if one third of those with AIDs transmits, the deaths will equal the holocaust.
ShouldersofGiants100 2 months ago
@ShouldersofGiants100
Even if 35 mio were "the vast majority" of up to 70 mio, which i still think is pushing it, there is something seriously wrong with your views on history. Japan was not a fascist government? Well, i know the precise definition variies, but i'm sure that Japan "did not even remotly resemble" a fascist government would never reach a consensus amongst historians, that is a pretty bald interpretation just to make a point. So sorry, but Nazis are still much worse, i stand by it.
Jonathanizer 2 months ago 3
@ShouldersofGiants100
PS: also your missing a very important point. Not solely the total number of deaths due to failed politics and power gone mad count, but also you would have to view on the death per timeperiod count. The catholic church and their failures happened over a much longer time. If the Nazis would have had 1000 years of time in power on their hands, we would even start to compare the numbers...
Jonathanizer 2 months ago 3
@Jonathanizer
Yes, but that would be offset by the fact that the entire worlds population was orders of magnitude smaller, thus in percentage of population, I think they would be similar.
ShouldersofGiants100 2 months ago
@ShouldersofGiants100
No, they aren't similar. Even if you factor in the shortened time frame the Nazis had as a player in power, plus the smaller world population to reduce for the catholics.
You have some good point, but no matter how you bend it, catholics - even the fundamentalist ones in power of church policy making - are not nearly as bad as Nazis.
Jonathanizer 2 months ago 3
@Jonathanizer
OK, so I suppose I will move on to the fact that most of the nazi elite were catholics, most of the population of Germany, including those wo ran the concentration camps and the fact that almost every nazi who escaped did so by running from one catholic church to the next on the path to freedom
ShouldersofGiants100 2 months ago
@ShouldersofGiants100
Again you have some misinformation there. 13% of German population is practicing catholic (registered in a church), that is far from "most of the population" and i doubt the number was much higher during WW2. Yes, the catholic church helped high profile Nazis to escape to South America, but just because they worked toghether, they are not the same. That is like saying the US government is Al Quaida, because a couple decades ago they worked toghether (against the Soviets).
Jonathanizer 2 months ago 2
@Jonathanizer
Thank you, for providing 2 examples of straw men. My main point was that the leaders running the death camps were Catholic, and this was not some relationship[ of convenience, many in the Catholic hierarchy openly endorsed the Nazis activities and helped them escape. That is very different than arming people fighting your enemies.
ShouldersofGiants100 2 months ago
@ShouldersofGiants100
So your argument is, while the first collaboration was openly, the US-Taliban-cooperation was more secretive, and therefore somehow you cannot compare this?
Jonathanizer 2 months ago 2
@Jonathanizer
Straw man. No, my argument is that a wartime alliance is very different from condoning actions, The Americans helped (In their view), the lesser of 2 evils, the Catholics openly condoned the Holocaust, with no real benefit for themselves. Therefore they supported the actions of the Nazis.
ShouldersofGiants100 2 months ago
@ShouldersofGiants100
Well if you want to focus on the differences here, why not also see why they condoned the Holocaust: That's kind of their dogma. If someone truely regrets und confesses, the catholic church forgives. And so they helped catholic Nazis who claimed to regret to escape Germany after WW2 or in the late WW2. You may disagree with that practice of condoning (at least i do), but it is arguable if a moral imperative (pope) or cold calculated power politics (US) is a "better" motive.
Jonathanizer 2 months ago
@Jonathanizer
A moral imperative cannot be used to justify acts like the holocaust and if it is, that imperative must be done away with. You also pointed out the truly disgusting thing about Catholicism, mass murderers are forgiven if they repent, but the Jews they slaughtered will burn in hell, because they never had a chance to.
ShouldersofGiants100 2 months ago
@ShouldersofGiants100
Yes, again, that's why I am not catholic and never will be, and I don't agree with this, I think it's wrong. I'm pretty sure I already said that. But that still doesn't mean catholics = Nazis. Still, no matter how you bend it. Even Bill Maher corrected himself, so why can't you admit this? ;)
Jonathanizer 2 months ago
@Jonathanizer
I never said they were the same, simply that the church supported the nazis.
ShouldersofGiants100 2 months ago
@ShouldersofGiants100
Well, then let's leave it at that, I think that is the lowest common denominator we'll agree on ;)
Greetings, Jon.
Jonathanizer 2 months ago
@Jonathanizer The catholic church is also responsible for a lot of good. 1) without catholicism in europe our notion of government would never have developed to the point it has today. 2) literacy was kept alive during the dark ages through monasticism. 3) the church is the largest charity institution in the world 4) catholic hospitals encompass one quarter of the worlds healthcare. Also, Pope John Paul II (the former pope) was a key figure in ending communism in the west.
Coolz444 2 months ago
@Coolz444
1) You claim that, but that's nothing more than a claim. tbh I doubt it, because catholicism is rarely democratic, it is meritocratic at best.
2) Yeah? But then again the Dark Ages were only that because of the almighty church blocking social progress and science.
3) The church is also the largest child molesting group, no other group has more convicted pedophiles. And their redistribution of wealth could be done more efficient by other groups.
4) You say figure, I say figurehead.
Jonathanizer 2 months ago
@Jonathanizer 1) Without religion coming into play great monarchies would have never been able to govern such a mass of people. The reasons why the romans were so successful is because they used religion to their advantage, we duplicated the romans to some extent in the middle ages. 2) science had nothing to do with economics, the collapse of the roman empire was the root of the chaos and illiteracy.
Coolz444 2 months ago
@Coolz444
1) And how do you come to the conclusion, that monarchies are good or relevant as step towards democracy? That's such a nonesense...
2) Science has nothing to do with economics? Do you even read what you write? The church used their power to limit education and science, they kept it at the minimum level necessary to keep the system running. Crediting the church with keeping literacy alive is like crediting Hitler with leaving a couple jews alive. Its absurd.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer 3) Thats simple mathematics. There are child abuse scandals at the same rate in all other religious sects, but there are more cases in the church because the church is simply the largest group. If judaism took the place of catholicism in america nothing would change, the problem doesn't spawn from the church itself but human disposition. And I can use the same argument you're using regarding the redistribution of wealth, nothing more than a claim. 4) thats a solid fact, look it up.
Coolz444 2 months ago
@Coolz444
3) Simple mathematics? Thats so ignorant. The church imposes a system of dogmata and secrecy that enables pedophiles and protects theses predetors, even if they abuse victims over decades. That's not the usual black sheep quota every large group of people has, that's different to jews or hindus or whoever. So the problem is the human disposition, and a beliefsystem that aggrevates this disposition. So what I meant was that the catholics have the most convicted pedophiles per 1000 ppl.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer You assume that every case against catholic priests are true. Accusation is one thing and reality is another, but all it takes is the accusation for a priest to be ruined. Yes some of these accusations are true, but in my opinion most of them have been embellished or completely made up either by the supposed victim or the media in effort to extort and tear down the church. However, I do agree with you that the church handled it in the wrong way.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
But the overwhelming number of cases makes it plausible, that many accusations are probably true. Also this is supported by the catholic church system that more than any other religion suppresses the natural sexuality of their priests, which worsens the problem in my opinion.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer About 50% of americans identify themselves as protestant christian, as opposed to around 20% who say they're roman catholic. From those statistics we can make a logical assertion that more child abuse cases occur in protestant denominations as there are more protestant establishments. A person isn't more likely to be a pedophile because he is a priest... and theres just as many pedophiles anywhere else. The media just likes to attack the church over other religious organizations.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
So 50% are protestants and 20% catholic, and where is that anyhow proof, that there are more protestant abuse cases? Just saying there are more protestants, so there must be more abuse isn't good enough. The rate of abuse cases, and probably the total number of cases as well are so high, because of the catholic specifics that don't occur in other many other religions, secrecy and sexual repression.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer Actually secrecy is practiced by all pedophiles...school, day camp, summer camp, boy scout, and sports coaches/employees all have reputations to uphold. Same goes for other religions. Who's to say the same amount of secrecy dosen't take place? Do you have reliable sources? Its just that the media likes to turn up the volume, so to speak, on the catholic church. The media plays on the fact that the church tried to handle it internally, which I believe was wrong.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer Since most victims are above the age of adolescence, I think its more of a problem with homosexuality rather than actual pedophilia. But I doubt allowing priests to marry would solve the problem, however it may reduce it slightly.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
So if you claim there are more protestant abuse cases, give a source, or don't say it in the first place, because I'm pretty sure you are wrong. And the same accounts for your claim the majority of the victims isn't underaged, from what source do you have that info? And btw, I'm talking of their age at the time of the abuse, not their age now, years later. There is a GIANT difference between consensual gay sex, and child abuse, please don't mix those two up.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer I won't pretend I have a specific and reliable source, but I have done a lot of research. Whats your source that has led you to believe that abstinence in the priesthood is the cause of their pedophilia? Thats only speculation. What is true, however, is that approximately 80% percent of pedophiles in america are married men, and thats not including countries like that of the middle east where all men take wives, and where still pedophilia is socially acceptable, Libya for example.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
As for that secrecy thing: of course every sexual predetor needs that for his wrong-doing, but in institutions of the church there is a culture of secrecy which seems to be a fertile soil. This of course isn't scientific proof, but my own opinion. Same accounts for the "repressed sexuality" conclusion, that isn't scientificly proven (which would probably be very hard to do), but in a way I feel this is common sense, and a good reason against religion dictating priests (none-)sexuality.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer This is an example where you are misinformed by what I assume to be the media. The church handling the scandal internally leads way to a lot of speculation. You have to remember that back before pedophilia was even addressed, no one even talked about, it was a social problem not a problem only found in the church but everywhere. The Vatican has and does, corresponding with the current times, try immensely to suppress and discourage pedophila in the church as much as they can.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer I was an altar boy a few years ago, and a priest was especially friendly with me and my brother, teaching us card tricks and bringing us sodas and snacks all the time. He became a close friend of the family. And I can tell you that other employees and priests at the shrine were so suspicious and cautious simply because the priest was being friendly to us, that they didn't want us near him, and pretty much gave us the signal they wanted us to stop being altar boys there.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
And it is actually never the church that initiated any precautions, they only do what they were forced to do by media, members of their church and the resulting social pressure. I am really sorry, that your nice priest was wrongly suspected because of the wrong doings of other priests and the resulting mistrust, but somewhere because of that same mistrust some potential abuse was prevented. Sadly it is hard to keep balance between catching bad guys and not bothering the good guys.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer Lol don't be sorry its not like I give a fuck, I'm just trying to give you insight through my own experience. And yes thats exactly why the church is taking precautions, I completely agree with you. But you just contradicted yourself. You said the church is fertile ground for child abuse, yet it is discouraged so much to the point that innocent priests are accused even if its just a suspicion. Did you know priests have been "thrown out" by their superiors simply from accusations?
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
I am not contradicting myself, I said the secretive and sexually repressive church system layed the groundwork for a higher chance child abuse than in other social surroundings, but because child abuse happenend in the past due to this system, there has been a compensation reaction that now (partly?) averts this 'fertile ground', and that is hightened precaution. This is a chain of causes and reactions, and no contradiction.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer This secretive and repressive system was every where before child abuse recently came into the spotlight. How was a child more likely to be abused by a priest than a coach, teacher, or instructor who's actual job it was to be around children? When its just one of these instructors the individual and maybe a few others are involved. When it happens with catholic priests, and the church makes the mistake of trying to handle the matter internally, a lot of embellishment ensues.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
There is a big difference to a coach of a sports team. If that guy herasses you, you have a easier time accusing that guy. Not that it always happens, but more often than not. If you are student on a catholic boarding school or an orphanage, you are much less likely to accuse your tormentor. And even if you do, his superior (prior to this scandal breaking the news) would often even do nothing about it. Thats what happened in thousands of confirmed cases.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer The same goes for secularized orphanages and boarding schools, how can you argue they wouldn't have the same amount of secrecy? I think any organization would want to avoid a lawsuit, and any head of that organization would want to keep his/her job. The ratio of secular orphanages and schools in this country topple the amount of christian ones 10 to 1. (Im metaphorically speaking, I don't know the actually numbers)
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
If you think secularized orphanages and boarding schools have the problem in the same magnitude you are wrong, just look at the different incentives. If a student on a catholic boarding school goes and tells the superior a priest is molesting him, his best choice is to cover it up to avoid damage to the church, for a government official to cover up such a thing would have little to no benefit and high risks, so his best choice to deal with the problem.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer I guess you have a point. A catholic boarding school would probably be more likely to try and cover it up, but I don't believe child abuse happens more often in catholic organizations than it does anywhere else. Your argument is that the lifestyle of a priest leads to pedophilia and homosexuality? Why would their restriction to marriage matter if they are homosexual? Its not like its impossible for them to have relations with women...the priesthood isn't prison
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
My (and as I understand Bill Mahers) criticism of the child abuse cases in catholic institutions are mainly directed at the way this is handled by the chruch. Child abuse can occur everywhere, even if you try to set up the environment in a way that makes it hard, but few organisations seem to care so little about the rights of the victims, and seems to have so little interest in solving the crimes and convicting the predators like the Vatican does, and that's the popes fault.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer You're exactly right, that is the reason they receive so much criticism but it is also the reason for myths such as that the church in no way does anything to put an end to child abuse. Back in the day, they thought pedophilia could be cured, and legal action wasn't taken because there was relatively no legal action taken against pedophiles before the 1980s. Rumors and speculation lead to the common belief that the church is doing little to stop child abuse.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer I suggest you follow up on canon law before you make assertions based on rumors. The pope has passed a law stating that any predator found is to be expelled from the priesthood immediately, among various other steps to put an end to child abuse within the church.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
But Ratzinger (back when he was a cardinal) also ordered to cover up those incidents, and not help the victims, or solve the alleged mistreatments. The reason why they acted recently (after hundreds and hundreds of years of doing nothing against this church system being set up in a unfavorable way) is not insight from the church officials themselves, but social pressure from the church base and the media. This isn't something the pope can credit himself with.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Coolz444
Also you misunderstand my criticism of catholic priesthood. A priest that is not allowed to have physical relations with a women has to sacrifice a lot for his belief. Unless he has no interest in that kind of sex anyways. It is like you put "perverts who have to keep their sexuality secret anyways are welcome" in the employment ad. Of course few priest are actualy perverts, but with celibacy you attract perverts too and then Vatican puts these guys in positions of trust...
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer What I'm getting at is that the church is extremely precautions nowadays and priests who are actually good men and believe in what they are doing cannot preform their duties without suspicion and are constantly attacked and discriminated against, mainly by the secular society, which is heavily influenced by the media.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
If anything, the media is anti-Islam. Fearmongering gets your channel viewers, pointing out that there is a billion peaceful muslims doesn't. Another mark 9/11 has left on our society. So saying the media is anti-Christian and goes overboard is making it too easy for the Vatican. You think Vatican does all they can to fight the problem? I think they do all they can to make it look like they fight the problem without actually having to change anything, they hate any substancial change.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer I didn't mean post adolescent, I meant post pubescent (my mistake) so scientifically speaking rather than legally speaking abuse cases are a result of homosexuality instead of the pedophilia. But it's still classified as pedophilia, I'm just saying the two are aligned with each other.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
I understand there is a difference between desire for a 17 year old girl/boy that looks old for his age, and desire for a 9 year old. I was primarily referring to the latter. And please don't blame this one on the media. This whole pedophilia debacle is one thing, where the media did something good, they brought attention to an issue that needs to be addressed. Of course they have their own interest: viewers/readers, but that doesn't make them generelly wrong or bad.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer 9 years old is hardly post pubescent.
I do agree with you that this problem needs to be addressed, and I think the media did help bring some of the pedophile priests to justice, but the media discriminates against christianity unceasingly, particularly catholicism as it is the single largest christian sect. Targeting islam or judaism would be considered politically incorrect and when they are cause way more controversy than insulting the church, where there is never a reaction.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
I don't agree that the media is anti-christianity, not in America. For example when the underwear bomber was caught the media had no problem instantly calling him a muslim terrorist. But when in Norway Breivik killed dozens of people, they discuss whether he's christian or not. Of course he is christian, a misguided fanatic fundamentalist maniac, but nevertheless a christian. And if this is a discussion, why are we never having a discussion if those muslim terrorists are really muslim?
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer I remember seeing the underwear bombers name which alluded to the fact he was muslim, and his ethnicity made it more likely for him to be muslim. And lets be honest, we were all thinking the same thing; that he had connections with Al Qaeda, something that turned out to be correct. I think a lot of Americans, including the media, are prejudiced against islam but we don't openly bash them on a regular basis. Insult islam you get death threats. Insult christianity nothing happens.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer But society will in the most part, protect islam from prejudice on the sole reason of being "politically correct." You can even find it on youtube. Go to any youtube video insulting or poking fun at Islam and you'll see an array of users protecting islam and dismissing the video as racist, biased, immature, ignorant, and prejudiced. Go to a youtube video making fun of the pope or the church: everyone thinks its funny as hell... and they completely agree with the implication.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
I saw reports where they instatly said the underwear bomber is a muslim terrorist. And thats true. But why then even trying to deny that Breivik is a christian terrorist? And btw, that he was part of Al Qaeda is not proven, you seem to be not very good adjusting your media filters as well ;)
The only thing proven was that he followed the blog of Al Qaeda radical Al Awlaki, but that's hardly been part of this terrorist group. If you ask me, it doesn't matter anyway.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer He may not have been officially part of al qaeda but he was a muslim extremist nonetheless, which is evident through his own testimonies in court. The natural reaction to one of these plots being foiled is wether the perpetrator/perpetrators are muslim, and we have justification to impose that question. It wasn't christian extremists who flew planes into the world trade center, and its not christian extremists who are the cause of most terrorism based on religious extremism.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
Of couse it wasn't christians who flew the planes into the twin towers, now we don't need to state those simple facts. But I think I'd rather be a christian than a muslim (if I had to choose), because violence and social pressure against moderate and upright muslims is much more likely than against christian, I'm pretty sure I have even recently read a statistics on that. But muslim terrorists a much better fit for news on tv, and that's what i mean with anti-Islam media.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer True, christianity is accepted because its a western religion, of which influence is instilled in the United States. Islam is like an outsider, spreading rapidly in the west, and I think a lot of people (for the right reasons) have a problem with that. One of the things Bill Maher said that I agree with is that we are socially advanced enough to insult our own religions (christianity) without having to worry about people getting killed over it. Still,But why extend Islam courtesy?
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
Why is Islam an outsider? Because it came couple hundred years later to USA? Religion is a personal choice, there are no outsiders or insiders in a country that grants human rights, which include freedon of religion. This thinking that christianity is a superior religion and Islam a evil intruder threatening something or somebody we like is sickening. Both these religions should be treated the same way, and saying they aren't has right reasons borders on ignorance.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer What I mean is that Islam is far newer in the west than christianity and judaism and is perceived as an outside religion because it originated and dominates in the middle east, and is at the same time growing significantly in western civilizations, it is also perceived to be an outside religion because their customs and role of women contradict our constitution.You're implying that I have something against Islam, including freedom of religion, which I don't.
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@Jonathanizer But I do have a problem with Islam when the quran itself is used as justification to wage jihad on american citizens, and when women are degraded by having to cover themselves up, not allowed to go to school, and basically having no rights whatsoever.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer I don't know how you can sit there an tell me that judaism and islam receive the same amount of attack and ridicule than christianity, particularly catholicism. It is socially acceptable to verbally attack the catholic church while doing so to islam or judaism would be considered politically incorrect. Yes islam and judaism are ridiculed, but not to the same extant as christianity.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
First: I didn't say "that judaism and islam receive the same amount of attack and ridicule than christianity". Since there are much more christians, criticism such as satire or attacks on christian persons of public interest that have done something wrong or controversial are much more likely to be a news topic. But I objected to your claim, that the media is particularly "anti-christian" and is not just as critical of Islam and then I named examples to debunk your claim.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Coolz444
I agree, that Islam is not dealing well with criticism, such as satire. That has to get better, or the bad impression of Islam will stay forever. I truely belief that criticism always should be allowed, and if muslims think it shouldn't be allowed concerning Islam, Then they are wrong, and only give reason for more criticism when they send death threats at Danish cartoonists or South Park writers. But the bias is not with the media here, it is with the guys reaction on media.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Coolz444 It's not a problem with homosexuality, it's a problem with the abuse and rape of children. In all cases, the victims were not consenting adults - they were children and young adolescents. Pedophilia is a very different question than mere homosexuality. It would be like saying that when an adult man rapes a 13 year old girl, the problem is "one of heterosexuality and not pedophilia". It's a worthwhile distinction to make.
typicalmelburnian 1 month ago
@Coolz444
4) Thats not a solid fact, thats a naive claim. I don't need to look it up, I know about this topic, but probably you should look it up. The former pope was an important person, but most experts think - as do I - that solidarnosc and end of comunism would have gone the same way without him. Your claim is as good as the the claim, that without the help of catholic church the Nazis would not have rose to power in Germany, and consequently comunism wouldn't have spread over Europe in WW2.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer I was using the healthcare figure as a "solid fact" not the downfall of communism. And yes communism probably would have ended anyway, but that doesn't mean the pope didn't help bring about its end.
Also, If you put all the protestant churches together in the same barrel than the cases of abused children would be way more than that of catholic priests, and if you try and say otherwise I would dismiss you as incredibly ignorant and downright prejudiced.
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
You obviously see good where you want to see it, not where it is. You credit the church with running 25% of the hospitals? Well do you credit the Nazis with running 100% of the hospitals when they were in power? Of course not, running a hospital would work just as good, if some other group (eg a charity NGO) would take the same donations the chruch uses to fund the hospitals. Or do you think, medicine doesn't work without prayer?
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer What are you talking about? you're comparing the catholic church to the nazis? The nazi seized control of the hospitals by force and propaganda, they didn't open hospitals like the church does. And I don't doubt the fact that hospitals would run as good if run by some other group, but why are you so against catholic hospitals? does it really make a difference?
And yes it is a solid fact that 25 percent of the worlds healthcare system is catholic if I'm wrong give me the statistics
Coolz444 1 month ago
@Coolz444
I'm not against catholic hospitals, I say it doesn't matter if donations are given to the catholic church and they run a hospital with that money, or if that donations go to another organisation that runs a hospital with that money.
Where do you have the figure, that there are more abuse cases by protestant priests/officials? (no rhetoric quetion, I want to know). I don't care for any religion, to be clear. And as for accusations: I cannot jugde which case is true and which is not.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer Study the dark ages. Those numbers are nothing compared to the murders caused by Catholicism.
jtaffiliate 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer As fascinating as that is, and true, I believe that misleading statement was just a low slur in the lead-up of his previous occupation: shuffling cloth-wearing pedefiles into fresh pastures. He's still scum of the earth.
7hart2 2 months ago
@7hart2
I agree, then again if it is a misleading statement, why not leave it out at all? Because it sounds better if there is something Naziesk in the mix. I don't expect the deepest and most solid fact-checking in Bills entertaining rants, but at least he should not include misleading and verifiable invalid 'info'. Especially when this distracts from his main point, which deserves full attentiveness.
Jonathanizer 2 months ago
@Jonathanizer The Nazis were are problem. The Church is a current problem. Were not going to dwell on the past.
PhotoShopChannel 2 months ago
@Jonathanizer The Catholic church never excommunicated a single Nazi for being a Nazi. Goebbels was excommunicated for marrying a Protestant, and that is all!
The Final Solution evolved as a direct result of the Catholic Church's policy of anti-Semitism.
The Catholic church has a lot to answer for as far as its relationship with the Nazis is concerned.
TopRobbo1970 2 months ago
@TopRobbo1970
Maybe. I'm really not interested in defending the catholic church, as I said I'm sure the are responsible for a lot of bad things and I don't care for catholics, or other Christians, or Muslims, or Jews, or Hindus or any other storys about imaginary invisible space daddies. But I'm saying even without defending them I know, that catholics and Nazis (even they have connections) are really not the same & that people think being in the Hitler Youth makes the pope a Nazi is not right.
Jonathanizer 2 months ago
@Jonathanizer He may have stayed away from Nazi institutions, but it's a shame he always routinely stayed away from child abuse claims throughout the church - including moving child rapists around only so that they could abuse a new group of children each time. What Ratzinger did as Pope (and prior) is outright disgusting and immoral. I actually think his real history is far worse than any potential Nazi claim, ironically enough.
typicalmelburnian 1 month ago
@typicalmelburnian
I agree that his policy of keeping this a secret instead of helping the victims is terrible. The church unfortunately has a long history of sacrificing transparency for the veneer. But still this is not "far worse" than Nazi claims. I grew up in Germany, which means learning in school very extensively about the cruelties of the Nazis. And they have done things... hindering to enlighten the sex abuse scandal is not "far worse". Its bad, but Nazis and their deeds are worse.
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
@Jonathanizer I think you misunderstood me. I did not talk about the Nazis deeds. I said that his links to the Nazi Party (via Hitler Youth) is not nearly as bad as his the cover up and systematic protection of child torture and rape en masse. His relationship with the Nazis was obviously tenuous at best - I think that's already been pointed out (including by Maher himself).
typicalmelburnian 1 month ago
@typicalmelburnian
Alright then, we are basicly on the same page.
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@jtaffiliate
Give me a good source and I will read it and then probably be smarter. Until then my knowledge is, that the worst evil doer responsible for deaths:
Hitler est. ~ 50 million human lifes
Stalin est ~ 60 million human lifes
Mao est ~ 70 million human lifes
Jonathanizer 1 month ago
Why are religious people upset, why can't they handle the truth? Unsecure about your religion?
fesveldt 3 months ago
@fesveldt One is religious because it was told, when a kid, to be so. It's a mind conditioning, in other words, brain washing. All organized religions are bad, a cover up for bad things, including within one self. They're upset because their believes are shaken but they don't accept because that would proof them wrong when they must be right. Unfortunately it may take some guts to face it.
perlaand 3 months ago
@fesveldt I don't have a problem with what this guy is saying but his fucking arrogance...
J0k3r4U 3 months ago
@J0k3r4U When you're good, you're good.
3rdPR 3 months ago
yeah, like Joseph Ratzinger is the bad guy we need to pick on. get a clue
Abr022575 3 months ago
@Abr022575 Who needs a clue? Bill? The other youtubers under you? Earth? Lets face it read your bibles if even half of that shit is true the Catholic church is the anti christ
darkwarriorkane 3 months ago
Laugh at this. Fine.... Just remember your laughter at your time of judgement....
imax1971 3 months ago
@imax1971
Pedophile enabler.
ChannelBelongs2Scott 3 months ago
@imax1971 Yes, Zeus is mad, I can feel it.
immortalis1001 3 months ago
Bear Stearns did not get bailed out, Bill.
ferretburger 3 months ago
@ferretburger yes they did get bailed out, just in a backdoor way. JP Morgan Chase was given a $30 billion dollar loan from the Fed to buy Bear Stearns after the Fed backed out of a $25 billion loan to Bear Stearns. So yes, if you want to get technical, they didn't directly receive the money from the government, however JP Morgan used government funds to buy Bear Stearns. Either way, they were bailed out by us. Get your facts straight.
crowdaddy13 3 months ago
@crowdaddy13
Wow! Bought at $10 a share in a fire sale! Let's just hope you or I never get bailed out at those rates.
That would be like the FDIC paying you 1 dollar for every 13 you had in savings. Those guys sure are lucky!
To be honest, I don't think they deserved a penny, but let's not go overboard in claiming that the government saved their pathetic butts. You won't find a Bear Stearns office on Wall Street today for the first time since 1923.
ferretburger 3 months ago
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ferretburger 3 months ago
shame on bill maher for calling the catholic church a cult!he should be fired!the word cult refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered bizarre.the catholic church is not bizarre!do you consider talking snakes,dead people resurrecting,putting a male and a female of "every" living being on earth in a boat and pregnant virgins abnormal?yes?then there's something wrong with you!u need help.i'll pray for you and hope that you'll be touched by jesus christ the superstar tonight.amen
geiuy 4 months ago
The catholics who complained about Bill Maher speaking the truth about the catholic church are people who have no integrity. They cannot admit to the bitter and shameful fact that worldwide, thousands of catholic children have been raped and sodomized by their cathjolic priests. And what is their complaint about Bill Maher? For saying their pope was a nazi. Learn, grow up, see and complain about the elephant in the room : worldwide paedophilia by catholic priests. These people are in denial.
opsvideo2008 4 months ago
@opsvideo2008
First, i love Bill, but why should people not complain about Bill calling Ratzinger a Nazi? This is simply not correct. Even if Ratzinger helped covering up acts of pedophilia, which would be terrible, doesn't mean he's everything bad you could call him. If someone commits crime A, doesn't automaticly mean hes also guilty of crime B. And the elephant in the room doesn't justify irresponsibly spewing non-facts on national television. ;)
Jonathanizer 3 months ago 2
@Jonathanizer You are not only in denial but you also have a very warped & distorted perspective of life. The fact is that anyone who is guilty of covering up worldwide pedophilia should be put be jail in the first place. You are a prime example of a brainwashed catholic who no longer knows what is right and wrong, which explains your ignoring the elephant in the room. Bill Maher has a sharp mind and immediately knows the crux of the issue. You, on the other hand, are still clueless.
opsvideo2008 2 months ago
@opsvideo2008
Well, i'm not in denial, i'm not brainwashed, i'm not catholic, and i don't even believe in god. And i hate pedophilia, not only because i a have a kid of my own you know. And again, i think Bill Maher is great. But i still think covering up the deeds of peadophiliacs - as immoral as it is - is not the same as beeing a Nazi. And beeing member in the Hitler Youth doesn't make 14-year-old Ratzinger a Nazi. As i said, both things a bad and wrong, but they are not the same.
Jonathanizer 2 months ago 2
@Jonathanizer It is obvious you are just trying to mitigate the crimes of those who cover up pedophilia in the catholic church by deliberately ignoring the elephant in the room and talking about something else. By your trying to excuse the catholic church in their cover-up of world wide pedophilia in their organization, you show your vested interest in trying to protect the catholic reputation. In doing so, you show you are no different from them. You are a pedophilia enabler yourself.
opsvideo2008 2 months ago
@opsvideo2008
I'm not mitigating, not excusing, not ignoring, and i really have no interest whatsoever in protecting the catholic church. I am just able to see a difference between a pedophiliac (or someone who enables a pedophiliac), and a Nazi. A Nazi and a pedophiliac is NOT the same. Is that so hard to understand? And how makes the intelectual capability to differentiate between those two categories make me a pedophiliac enabler? Or are you just out of arguments, so you switch to insults?
Jonathanizer 2 months ago
@Jonathanizer Yeah, you are not excusing, not ignoing, etc...you are only DIGRESSING. We don't need an idiot like you to show us the difference between a Nazi and a pedophilliac when your pope is already known by the world to be enrolled in the Nazi youth as well as the one who wrote an internal church document requesting the catholic church worldwide to cover-up the rampant pedophilia committed by the pedophile priests and swear the victims to silence. You are just a pedophile enabler.
opsvideo2008 2 months ago
@opsvideo2008
I still don't think, that be being able to understand the difference between catholic and Nazi doesn't make me a pedophiliac enabler. And if you really think so, then you are imbecile. But my suspicion is, that you don't really think so, you are just out of arguments and facts, so you switch to insults. Fact is beeing in the Hitler Youth doesn't make a 14 boy a Nazi, it was mandatory for everyone in Germany during the Hitler dictatorship. It says nothing about your political view.
Jonathanizer 2 months ago 2
@opsvideo2008
And by the way, i already explained that this is not "my pope" how you keep stating, i am not catholic nor am i anyhow connected to the catholic church. Still Nazis and catholics are something different, most people kn