the reason why we understand the quran and the sunnah how the salaf did is because of the hadith from bukhaari - "The best people are those of my generation, and then those who will come after them (the next generation), and then those who will come after them (i.e. the next generation),..."
and then you wanna point out corrupt sufis and try to say this is sufi. stop with the propaganda. salahuddin ayyubi was a sufi. he never missed a salat in jam'aa. tasawuf is islamic spirituality. you deny tasawuf you'll die with a dead heart and you'll miss out on the REALITY of the pleasure of Allah. i am in a state of love with my lord. what is bid'ah about this? this is the way of the salaf. only the shaitan can dislike this.
Al-Hakam bin al-Mubaarak informed us that Amr ibn Yahyaa said my father related from his father who said: "We used to sit by the door of 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ood before the Salaatul Ghadaat (morning prayer), so that when he came out we would walk with him to the masjid. (One day) Aboo Moosaa al-Ash'aree came to us and said, "Has Aboo 'Abdur-Rahmaan come out yet?" We replied, "No." Therefore, he sat down with us until he came out. When he came out, we all stood along with him,
just because the prophet did something doesn't mean it's bid'ah not to do it that way. it's bid'ah when you make that way obligatory or sunnah. for example. building minarets on the masjid. or carpet. or electricity in the masjid. or qur'an in book form. a person can make 5000 allahu akbar all he wants. it's NOT bid'ah just because the prophet didn't make 5,000 allahu akbar (just an ex). start being a little intellectual. it is not bid'ah to recite surah yaseen after fajr every day.
Narrated Abu Said al Khudri radhiallaho anh that the Holy Prophet Muhammad salalahu alayhi wasalaam said: "Udkhurullahu Hatta Yaquloo Majnun" - "Do so much Dhikr people declare you mad".
you ain't ahlul sunnah wal jamaa. i'll slap you in front of your face if you told me that in real life. purify your ego become sincere and partake in real islamic spirituality. you wannna talk about sahih and da'ef and you can't even make a salat in the masjid for the sake of allah. you people are characters.
But does it mean that you have to make dhikr the way, which the prophet even did not do? Make dhikr as the prophet did not as some one who people will declare as a handicap when he sees him!
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying Allah has mobile (squads) of angels, who have no other work (to attend to but) to follow the assemblies of dhikr and when they find such assemblies in which there is dhikr (of Allah) they sit in them
@yusufulhas If you love them akhi, you have to understand the quran and sunnah how the salaf understood it or else are we the loosers. Because they are the best people after the prophet as he said. And you dont have to be salafi to go that page, just read the ahadith how the prophet made dhikr and thats it. Not like the innovaters inshaallah.
what if? my heart and soul burns with the love of allah and his messenger. just a quick look at the spirituality of the salaf would let you know you're doing something wrong. if you can keep it real.
you trying to call ibn abdul wahab the salaf? a hadith says on the day of judgement a person will be with the one whom he loves. ibn abdul wahab killed old men for making a mistake in the adhan. i just gave you the hadith about group dhikr. what's the matter?
you can dance with women while making zikr. you can have sex with women while making zikr. you can lick a dog while making zikr. you can play with feces while making zikr. none of that stuff is bid'ah. it is haraam. but not bid'ah. it would only be bid'ah if the person said it was a sunnah fard wajib etcetera. this extremist interpretation of islamic laws has got to end. enough with the foolishness
btw. the word of a sahabi doesn't supercede the words of a nabi. i'm pretty sure you knew that already. there are ahadith that talk in depth about the virtues of these group dhikrs. there is no sufi sect. you see us do different things because we love allah and his messenger and we do things to get closer to them. such as group zikr. tasawuf is a study in islam. just like tajwid nahw fiqh or aqeedah. you ignorant salafis don't understand this. we are apart of ahlul sunnah wal jamaa
@yusufulhas Well I understand the quran and sunnah as how the salaf did. And I will rather understand the ahadith and the quran how the sahaba rather than someone crazy man. And who says I am salafi? Dont accuse me for something wrong. And Abdullah Ibn Masud was one of those who had most knowlegde among the sahaba. So who do I have listen to? Someone like him or one who does not give me a SPECIFIC PROOF that indicates the messenger of allah and his sahabas did dhikr like that in the mosques?!
Ahmad ibn Hanbal transmitted in his Kitab al-Zuhd, that Husain ibn Muhammad related with his chain from Abu Wail that he said, Those who think that Abdullah [Ibn Mas`ud] used to prohibit the dhikr! I never sat with Abdullah [Ibn Mas`ud] in a gathering save that he did dhikr in it.
this is the problem with innovation...you cannot argue by proof so you make such statements...that video had a lot of proof...but you have your emotions...
Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) has said "Whoever does an action which we have not commanded will have it rejected." [Muslim] and he (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) also said "Whoever does an action in a way different from ours will have it rejected" [Abu Daawood - Saheeh].
you people are so full of it i don't even have to drop the daleel's. and when i do you don't follow it. none of your salafi ulema have seen rasullullah(saw) in a dream. ibn abdul wahab was supposed to be this big waliullah but he never saw rasullullah(saw) in a dream. you don't know what bida'h is son. you never set in the company of people with ijazat. you wanna open the qur'an and hadiths and say this is this and that is that? we're ahlul sunnah wal jamaa
instead of running around the battle field....why dont you shut me up by dropping down the daleel's....btw do you ask dead people for things ?...just curious
daleel for which? HOW DARE YOU disrespect the holy last messenger by referring to him as dead people like he's some ordinary human being!? you ever read the ayat in the qur'an where the kuffar called nuh "A man like us". be carefull akhi.
ok ....read me last response ...did i say that ?....dont assume stuff read surah hujurat...and when i said dead people i meant in your shrines you call on so and so and hope that they intercede for you and answer your dua...which is not different than what the mushrikin of makkah did
it goes back to the man like us thing with the kuffar from ahlul nuh. when you're asking someone to make du'a for you you're hoping that they intercede for you. you trying to call muslims the mushrikin of makkah? there is no sufi sect. all ulema from ahlul sunnah wal jam'aa say tawasul is halal. wahabiya says it's shirk. you need to refer to the views of ahlul sunnah wal jam'aa and the qur'an and hadiths. the mushrikin of makkah also made tawaf around the kaa'ba. don't be stupid
If smb had not known how the "mosque" looks like, would think that this is a disco-club, and those people have consumed narcotics and alcoolic drinks...
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying Allah has mobile (squads) of angels, who have no other work (to attend to but) to follow the assemblies of dhikr and when they find such assemblies in which there is dhikr (of Allah) they sit in them
The Prophet Muhammad and Abu Bakr, `Umar, `Ali, `Uthmaan (etc) never danced and held hands and did foolish stuff like this.
In fact, when 1 of Prophet Muhammad's Companions - Ibn Mas'ood - saw some people doing a small innovation in the Prophet's Mosque ... they were using stones to count their "Tasbeeh", and they were sitting in circles, the leader would say, "Say Subhanallah 100 times", etc...
Ibn Mas'ood got so upset & he rebuked them for their innovation
He said, Muhammad has just died - and his clothes are still in his home (etc). How quick - O Ummah of Muhammad - are you rushing to your destruction?
[Don't attack me for this - these are not mine, but the words of Ibn Mas'ood, a top Companion of Prophet Muhammad]
+ Because Islam is complete. Prophet Muhammad told us all what we need to know to get closer to Allah * So Islam is in no need of us innovating our own stuff into it -- like what we see in this video
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Salam alaikum one question.. in which line in the Quran and in which hadith stands that the muslims have to move their bodys like in this video when they make dhikr??? sorry but all things outside Quran and Sunna are Bida..Salam alaikum
So is praying Tarawih as 20 Rak'ahs as instituted by Sayyidunah 'Umar a Bid'ah? Yes it is but is it bad? NO!!!!! Proof: Sayyiduna 'Umar said "Ni'amul Bid'ati Hadhihi"!!!!!
Salaam. Its a usool that everything ins shari'ah is permissable unless proven haraam. So you have to give the proof of why this is not permissable. 2nd thing uv got to study arabic n find out wt bid'a means, and wat types of bid'a there are, and there are numerous ahadith on this topic. Anything out of the Qura'an and sunnah is not Bid'a there are many things the sahab did but the prophet(salallahu alihi waslam) did not do them selves.
@anglostani you are right.. all times the same stuff:( i was in this mosque of ibn arabi and a salafi(they are not salaf!) boy of kirgisistan cames there just to critisize the people ..why he went to this mosque if he doesnt like this place?
they just like to discuss and want have the right.
and where is is the love for the brother? they cant see why the people do like they do.
in short, their are enough evidences in the Shariah to allow this, just as much as you have your quote your own view to not allow it. As long as no one makes it fard or imposes on you - then you cannot claim monopoly on the Sunnah.
Also Imam As Suyuti rahimahu Allah, a mujtahid in the True sense narrated the evidences for collective loud dhikr in his books. So do we abandon the pristine and divine history of Islam versus new modernist hadith translaters? It seems everyman and his donkey these days is commenting on what is and isnt allowed in hadith, Utterly against the strict requirements of the teachings of the past.
Perhaps hadiths can be used and chopped and changed by anyone. To question Hakim in his mustadrak on a view you do not like does not raise your status to his (ra). This is the Shariah, preserved in books. Imam Shafi (ra) said da'eef hadiths can be relied upon and acted upon as long as they dont contradict Aqeedah (ie> minor matters of religous nature). Since this is rememberance of Allah - the virtues of which are in many hadith it is case closed.
I just have 1 question, please I need an answer: "Did the Prophet Muhammad do the Burda and dance and sing like this, or permit people to do Burda. And did the Companions of the Prophet do this stuff after his death? What about the Successors of the Companions -- did they do any of this? Also, what was the view of the 4 Imaams of the Muslim Ummah, on this issue of singing and Burda? Did any notable Muslim scholar of the past do this kind of singing or allow it?
Thank you. We seek Allah's forgiveness, from these actions. Muhammad, nor the Sahaabah, nor the Successors, nor the 4 Imaams of Islam did or allowed this.
May Allah help us to do WHAT PLEASES HIM, what His Prophet taught us to do, and help us to die as Muslims, worshipping Him and obeying His commands, and not doing our own stuff. Aameen :) :) :)
Narrated Abu Said al Khudri radhiallaho anh that the Holy Prophet Muhammad salalahu alayhi wasalaam said: "Udkhurullahu Hatta Yaquloo Majnun" - "Do so much Dhikr people declare you mad".
And the hadeeth has been verified to be "daeef" (inauthentic) by numerous scholars of hadith.
This hadith was recorded by (1) Haakim (2) Ahmad (3) Abd bin Humaid (4) Thalabi (5) Ibn Asaakir.
They all recorded it with the chain of narration, from Diraaj Abi Samh, who narrated from Abu Haytham, who narrated from Abu Sa'id Khudri, who reported from 'the Prophet'.
It is true that (only) Haakim said this hadeeth is 'saheeh', but all others opposed him in this. And Dhahabi and other early scholars noted that Haakim (often times) erred in his judgment of hadiths. Many times -- he would call a "explicitly fabricated hadith" 'saheeh'!
The ONLY PROBLEM in this chain of narration is Diraaj Abi Samh. In fact, in another writing, Haakim explicitly said about Diraaj: إنه كثير المناكير 'He would make a lot of mistakes.'
Ahmad (a scholar of hadith, from the Early Muslims) stated about Diraj : أحاديثه مناكير "His hadiths are not acceptable."
Yahya said: ليس به بأس "There's nothing wrong with him." In another wording, he said he is "good". * The famou Scholar of Hadith, Nasaa'i said: منكر الحديث "He is rejected in hadith." Abu Haatim said: ضعيف "He is weak."
Ibn Adiyy said: عامتها لا يتابع عليها "The majority of his hadiths are not followed."
this method of dhikr is not according to what the prophet (pbuh) did.
and that is the main point.
Allah commands His servants to refer all disputes to him: “(And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger…” (an-Nisa’: 59)
he commands us to follow his sunnah and avoid innovation.
subhanAllah the intention of praising the prophet muhammad(SAW) and Allah (swt)is praiseowrthy
However in the method it is being done, it is not praiseworthy. For it is not the way the prophet (SaW) did it.
SubhanAllah the prophet (SAW) has said in his last hajj that he has completed the deen for us. he has not left a single aspect of islam except that he has told us.
If there was any from of dhikr greater than the way the prophet muhammad (Saw) did it...He would have done it! Anything the prophet (SAW) did is the best way of doing something for he was the best man in the world.
@loaded99percent Brother there are countless things we do that the Prophet did not do pertaining Islam. For example, we have literary works (tafsir, translations...etc) that were unheard of in the time of the prophet. We have new Jurisprudence techniques and new scientific information that change everyday lives of Muslims. No one says or ever said these are Bid'ah. If what they do is within Sharia then it is not for us to say it is unfavorable. We have to separate halal-haram innovation.
Asalamualikum Wa rahmatullahi wa baratakutuhu Broher,
Yes I completely agree that we must seperate the haram-halal innovation. however we mean bida'a in terms of religious actions.
Its true though. We do a lot of things the Prophet (SaW) didnt do and was unheard of. We use microwaves to heat our halal meals, we drive cars to the Masjid and etc.
when it comes to islam we should follow the complete example of our prophet (saw). i think that we can both agree on inshAllah :)
And your right we do have new jurisprudence techniques and new scientific information. However Islam does not change. perhaps the way we get to it (learn online, drive to masjid etc) method may be different but the actually practices never change.
After we die we pray that on the Day of Judgement we see the Prophet (sAW) at the well of Hawl, and he quenches us from his own blessed hands.....
And we pray that the angels do not turn us away and they tell the prophet (saW) who is concerned for us, that he does not know the innovation we practiced after he was gone. Even be it accidental or out of lack of knowledge to some point.
For the Prophet (saw) has said many time, He who does not follow my sunnah,(my way, my methods, my understanding, my actions) then he is not from me. Fa Hu'wah Laysa Minee. Wa Naudhu Billah Minh. Ameen. Salam
He had Allahs revelation as guidance and we truly follow Allah sincerely by humbling ourselves and following his prophet (sAW) in every little single way. despite our desires to do as we pleaes but to humble ourselves and refer to quran and sunnah.
@LionofMadinah And the methods of dhikr according to the sunnah of the prophet salalahu alayhi wasalaam? To repeat Subhan'Allah, Alhumdulillah, Astagfar etc. Repitition of such dhikr while walking etc would cause people to declare you mad (talking to yourself) but to do dhikr in the way as shown in this video is beyond that. It is not in the sunnah and nor a practice of any sahabaa or tabiyeen (may Allah be pleased with them).
really? so what's up with the whistling to oneself or reciting music by oneself alone? i guess there crazy too. the whole damn society is crazy. WE ALL NEED PILLS!
@yusufulhas I was talking bout the hadith and the actual meaning, Btw it doesNT mean literally go crazy like this guys. But by making dhikh under your breath, ppl might think your talking to yourself and call you MAD ! What are you talking bout ? Haha. I think you need pills tho.
someone calling himself a muslim telling a brother to to take brain destroying medicine. astigfirallah. so now making dhikr under the breath is haraam. if i was khalifat i would tell the wahabis to convert or die. seriously. you don't understand anything because you're not spiritual. you're not spiritual because you're not sincere you're wahabi you have no nur. the salaf us saliheen were spiritual. i live an altered state from dhikr salah etc. you don't know nothing
, so Abu Moosaa said to him, "O Aboo 'Abdur-Rahmaan I have just seen something in the masjid which I deemed to be evil, but all praise is for Allaah, I did not see anything except good!" He inquired, "Then what is it?" (Aboo Moosaa) replied, "If you live you will see it. I saw in the masjid people sitting in circles awaiting the Prayer. In each circle they had pebbles in their hands and a man would say 'repeat Allaahu Akbar a hundred times.' So they would repeat it a hundred times.
Then he would say, 'say Laa ilaaha illallaah a hundred times.' So they would say it a hundred times. Then he would say, 'say Subhaanallaah a hundred times.' So they would say it a hundred times." (Ibn Mas'ood) asked, "What did you say to them?" (Aboo Moosaa) said, "I did not say anything to them. Instead I waited to hear you view or what you declared." (Ibn Mas'ood) asked, "What did you say to them?" (Aboo Moosaa) said, "I did not say anything to them.
Instead I waited to hear you view or what you declared." (Ibn Mas'ood) replied, "Would that you had ordered them to count up the evil deeds they acquired and assured them that their good deeds would not be lost!" Then we went along with him (Ibn Mas'ood) until he came to one of these circles and stood and said, "What is this which I see you doing?" They replied, "O Aboo 'Abdur-Rahmaan! These are pebbles upon which we are counting takbeer, tahleel and tasbeeh."
He said, "(You should) count your evil deeds and I will assure you that none of your good deeds will be lost. Woe to you, O Ummah of Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam)! How quickly you are rushing to your destruction! These are the Companions of your Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) and who are widespread (and numerous). There are his clothes which have not yet decayed and his eating utensils which are unbroken. By Him in Whose Hand is my soul!
Either you are upon a deen better guided than the Deen of Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) or that you are opening the door of misguidance (from this bid'ah)." They said, "O Aboo Abdur-Rahmaan! By Allaah, we only intended good." He said, "How many there are who intend good but do not achieve it. Indeed Allaah's Messenger said to us 'A people will recite the Qur'aan but it will not pass beyond their throats.' By Allaah! I do not know, perhaps most of them are from you." Then he left them.
We are not judging, nore do we have a right to do so. Allah will judge on the Day of Judgment.
You confuse "enjoing good/forbidding wrong" - with - judging people. The latter is an obligation, while this is forbidden.
As for "Zhikr of Allah" - this is good. But it is general. Making zhikr in this specific fashion, with dancing and singing, and jumping up & down wildly ...... SIMPLY was not done by the Prophet Muhammad, or his Companions, or the Sucessors or any of our Ancient Scholars
that "hadith" of ibn mas'od is daef. and it's not even a hadith because it goes to a sahabi. the narrator of the "hadith" has been described as unreliable. it's Da'ef. that's why alot of non muslims get scared of becoming muslim. too much haraam this haraam that. you should focus more on what is halal instead of putting a stamp on any and everything as haraam.
Why are people putting "thumbs down" (negative signs) for your comment, when you DID NOT SAY A SINGLE WORD FROM YOURSELF ? Your whole comment is simply a HADEETH , that is saheeh (authentic), from the Messenger of Allah.
This either means, the people putting negative signs on your comment are not Muslims, or they don't believe in Muhammad (peace be on him).
I wonder if the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), did Dhikr and supplication like these guys? Hmmmm....
Tahmina604 8 months ago
the reason why we understand the quran and the sunnah how the salaf did is because of the hadith from bukhaari - "The best people are those of my generation, and then those who will come after them (the next generation), and then those who will come after them (i.e. the next generation),..."
—Sahih al-Bukhari
Omar20Musa 9 months ago
and then you wanna point out corrupt sufis and try to say this is sufi. stop with the propaganda. salahuddin ayyubi was a sufi. he never missed a salat in jam'aa. tasawuf is islamic spirituality. you deny tasawuf you'll die with a dead heart and you'll miss out on the REALITY of the pleasure of Allah. i am in a state of love with my lord. what is bid'ah about this? this is the way of the salaf. only the shaitan can dislike this.
yusufulhas 9 months ago
Al-Hakam bin al-Mubaarak informed us that Amr ibn Yahyaa said my father related from his father who said: "We used to sit by the door of 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ood before the Salaatul Ghadaat (morning prayer), so that when he came out we would walk with him to the masjid. (One day) Aboo Moosaa al-Ash'aree came to us and said, "Has Aboo 'Abdur-Rahmaan come out yet?" We replied, "No." Therefore, he sat down with us until he came out. When he came out, we all stood along with him,
Omar20Musa 9 months ago
@Omar20Musa
not only is that narration weak the chain doesn't go back to the prophet.
yusufulhas 9 months ago
just because the prophet did something doesn't mean it's bid'ah not to do it that way. it's bid'ah when you make that way obligatory or sunnah. for example. building minarets on the masjid. or carpet. or electricity in the masjid. or qur'an in book form. a person can make 5000 allahu akbar all he wants. it's NOT bid'ah just because the prophet didn't make 5,000 allahu akbar (just an ex). start being a little intellectual. it is not bid'ah to recite surah yaseen after fajr every day.
yusufulhas 9 months ago
Should dub this video over techno
ilovetodrinkblood 9 months ago
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Narrated Abu Said al Khudri radhiallaho anh that the Holy Prophet Muhammad salalahu alayhi wasalaam said: "Udkhurullahu Hatta Yaquloo Majnun" - "Do so much Dhikr people declare you mad".
Imam Ahmed Musnad,
Ibn Hibban, Abu Yala declared Sahih.
rabbaniqadri 9 months ago
you ain't ahlul sunnah wal jamaa. i'll slap you in front of your face if you told me that in real life. purify your ego become sincere and partake in real islamic spirituality. you wannna talk about sahih and da'ef and you can't even make a salat in the masjid for the sake of allah. you people are characters.
yusufulhas 10 months ago
Sufism scares the fuck out of me!
xdoomkittehx 1 year ago
Looks like a Jewish prayer.
alfulani5 1 year ago
But does it mean that you have to make dhikr the way, which the prophet even did not do? Make dhikr as the prophet did not as some one who people will declare as a handicap when he sees him!
Omar20Musa 1 year ago
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Abu Huraira reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying Allah has mobile (squads) of angels, who have no other work (to attend to but) to follow the assemblies of dhikr and when they find such assemblies in which there is dhikr (of Allah) they sit in them
yusufulhas 10 months ago
@Omar20Musa
explain to us all how the prophet made dhikr.
yusufulhas 10 months ago
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Omar20Musa 9 months ago
@Omar20Musa
what for? i love allah and his messenger i'm not a salafi.
yusufulhas 9 months ago
@yusufulhas If you love them akhi, you have to understand the quran and sunnah how the salaf understood it or else are we the loosers. Because they are the best people after the prophet as he said. And you dont have to be salafi to go that page, just read the ahadith how the prophet made dhikr and thats it. Not like the innovaters inshaallah.
Omar20Musa 9 months ago
@Omar20Musa
what if? my heart and soul burns with the love of allah and his messenger. just a quick look at the spirituality of the salaf would let you know you're doing something wrong. if you can keep it real.
you trying to call ibn abdul wahab the salaf? a hadith says on the day of judgement a person will be with the one whom he loves. ibn abdul wahab killed old men for making a mistake in the adhan. i just gave you the hadith about group dhikr. what's the matter?
yusufulhas 9 months ago
@Omar20Musa
you can dance with women while making zikr. you can have sex with women while making zikr. you can lick a dog while making zikr. you can play with feces while making zikr. none of that stuff is bid'ah. it is haraam. but not bid'ah. it would only be bid'ah if the person said it was a sunnah fard wajib etcetera. this extremist interpretation of islamic laws has got to end. enough with the foolishness
yusufulhas 9 months ago
@yusufulhas But those people say it is sunnah and there is a proof that indicates it is bidah.
Omar20Musa 9 months ago
@Omar20Musa
btw. the word of a sahabi doesn't supercede the words of a nabi. i'm pretty sure you knew that already. there are ahadith that talk in depth about the virtues of these group dhikrs. there is no sufi sect. you see us do different things because we love allah and his messenger and we do things to get closer to them. such as group zikr. tasawuf is a study in islam. just like tajwid nahw fiqh or aqeedah. you ignorant salafis don't understand this. we are apart of ahlul sunnah wal jamaa
yusufulhas 9 months ago
@yusufulhas Well I understand the quran and sunnah as how the salaf did. And I will rather understand the ahadith and the quran how the sahaba rather than someone crazy man. And who says I am salafi? Dont accuse me for something wrong. And Abdullah Ibn Masud was one of those who had most knowlegde among the sahaba. So who do I have listen to? Someone like him or one who does not give me a SPECIFIC PROOF that indicates the messenger of allah and his sahabas did dhikr like that in the mosques?!
Omar20Musa 9 months ago
@Omar20Musa
Ahmad ibn Hanbal transmitted in his Kitab al-Zuhd, that Husain ibn Muhammad related with his chain from Abu Wail that he said, Those who think that Abdullah [Ibn Mas`ud] used to prohibit the dhikr! I never sat with Abdullah [Ibn Mas`ud] in a gathering save that he did dhikr in it.
yusufulhas 9 months ago
watch this
Sufism 1/12 (Message to the Sufis)
ahmedibrahimbhat 1 year ago
@ahmedibrahimbhat
once imam mahdi comes we'll have our knees deep in the blood of your people.
yusufulhas 9 months ago
@yusufulhas
this is the problem with innovation...you cannot argue by proof so you make such statements...that video had a lot of proof...but you have your emotions...
Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) has said "Whoever does an action which we have not commanded will have it rejected." [Muslim] and he (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) also said "Whoever does an action in a way different from ours will have it rejected" [Abu Daawood - Saheeh].
ahmedibrahimbhat 9 months ago
@ahmedibrahimbhat
you people are so full of it i don't even have to drop the daleel's. and when i do you don't follow it. none of your salafi ulema have seen rasullullah(saw) in a dream. ibn abdul wahab was supposed to be this big waliullah but he never saw rasullullah(saw) in a dream. you don't know what bida'h is son. you never set in the company of people with ijazat. you wanna open the qur'an and hadiths and say this is this and that is that? we're ahlul sunnah wal jamaa
yusufulhas 9 months ago
@yusufulhas
instead of running around the battle field....why dont you shut me up by dropping down the daleel's....btw do you ask dead people for things ?...just curious
ahmedibrahimbhat 9 months ago
@ahmedibrahimbhat
daleel for which? HOW DARE YOU disrespect the holy last messenger by referring to him as dead people like he's some ordinary human being!? you ever read the ayat in the qur'an where the kuffar called nuh "A man like us". be carefull akhi.
yusufulhas 9 months ago
@yusufulhas
ok ....read me last response ...did i say that ?....dont assume stuff read surah hujurat...and when i said dead people i meant in your shrines you call on so and so and hope that they intercede for you and answer your dua...which is not different than what the mushrikin of makkah did
ahmedibrahimbhat 9 months ago
it goes back to the man like us thing with the kuffar from ahlul nuh. when you're asking someone to make du'a for you you're hoping that they intercede for you. you trying to call muslims the mushrikin of makkah? there is no sufi sect. all ulema from ahlul sunnah wal jam'aa say tawasul is halal. wahabiya says it's shirk. you need to refer to the views of ahlul sunnah wal jam'aa and the qur'an and hadiths. the mushrikin of makkah also made tawaf around the kaa'ba. don't be stupid
yusufulhas 9 months ago
@yusufulhas
tawasul is allowed...no doubt but thats when the person is alive...NOT DEAD...read this
islamqa . com / en / ref / 3297 (put them together without space in the adress bar)
i hope that will answer the question
ahmedibrahimbhat 9 months ago
ערבים מלוכלכים
Ahasver06 1 year ago
actually this sounds good to the ear,, but no im not getting tricked by bidah
xmenofunderstandingx 1 year ago
If smb had not known how the "mosque" looks like, would think that this is a disco-club, and those people have consumed narcotics and alcoolic drinks...
kosofijun 1 year ago
subhanallah
this is embarrasing grown men dancing like their in a club listening 2 a beat ;
tell me theirs something wrong with dis
y not read the quran or make salat or something pcefull instead of looking crazy subhannalah
befree1s1am 1 year ago
lanah lanah lanah alal wahhabiyyeen shayateen!!!!!!!!!
wahhabi sharmutah
gulharsharif92 1 year ago
wahabiiun : Fitnah
Audhubillah min Fitnat as Saudia-Al Wahabiia
hassanjawad 2 years ago
The Prophet (p) said:
وإياكم ومحدثات المور؛ فإن كل محدثة بدعة وكل بدعة ضللة
"Beware of all novelties, beacuse in truth all novelties are innovation, and every innovation is misguidance"
And he also said (p):
من أحدث في أمرنا هذا ما ليس منه فهو رد
Whoever introduces into our affair [the Din] something which is not of it, will have it rejected.
ISN'T THIS ENOUGH, MUSLIMS?
Karamymy 2 years ago
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Abu Huraira reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying Allah has mobile (squads) of angels, who have no other work (to attend to but) to follow the assemblies of dhikr and when they find such assemblies in which there is dhikr (of Allah) they sit in them
yusufulhas 10 months ago
observed negative comments from followers of wahabbis. na'uzubillah
micon02 2 years ago 2
Those are dancers ,this is not Islam
HUSSEINBASHA910 2 years ago
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it is forbidden because it's bidd'a
Fatih069 2 years ago
The Prophet Muhammad and Abu Bakr, `Umar, `Ali, `Uthmaan (etc) never danced and held hands and did foolish stuff like this.
In fact, when 1 of Prophet Muhammad's Companions - Ibn Mas'ood - saw some people doing a small innovation in the Prophet's Mosque ... they were using stones to count their "Tasbeeh", and they were sitting in circles, the leader would say, "Say Subhanallah 100 times", etc...
Ibn Mas'ood got so upset & he rebuked them for their innovation
abdelbaasit1 2 years ago
He said, Muhammad has just died - and his clothes are still in his home (etc). How quick - O Ummah of Muhammad - are you rushing to your destruction?
[Don't attack me for this - these are not mine, but the words of Ibn Mas'ood, a top Companion of Prophet Muhammad]
+ Because Islam is complete. Prophet Muhammad told us all what we need to know to get closer to Allah * So Islam is in no need of us innovating our own stuff into it -- like what we see in this video
abdelbaasit1 2 years ago
this is not forbidden , this is zikr allah allah allah mashallah
nomadthedj 2 years ago 5
mashallah brothers
islamispeace100 2 years ago 6
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Salam alaikum one question.. in which line in the Quran and in which hadith stands that the muslims have to move their bodys like in this video when they make dhikr??? sorry but all things outside Quran and Sunna are Bida..Salam alaikum
DrenicaLady 2 years ago
So is praying Tarawih as 20 Rak'ahs as instituted by Sayyidunah 'Umar a Bid'ah? Yes it is but is it bad? NO!!!!! Proof: Sayyiduna 'Umar said "Ni'amul Bid'ati Hadhihi"!!!!!
SuleimanalMuslim 2 years ago 2
What a excellent Bid'a this is. Subhan'Allah
AbuWobbler 2 years ago
Salaam. Its a usool that everything ins shari'ah is permissable unless proven haraam. So you have to give the proof of why this is not permissable. 2nd thing uv got to study arabic n find out wt bid'a means, and wat types of bid'a there are, and there are numerous ahadith on this topic. Anything out of the Qura'an and sunnah is not Bid'a there are many things the sahab did but the prophet(salallahu alihi waslam) did not do them selves.
AbuWobbler 2 years ago 3
so sister we should open up our minds to a wider perspective and study before making baseless claims. sorry if i have offended you salaam
AbuWobbler 2 years ago
Where is it that it says that it is forbidden, brother?
Alhamdulilah33 2 years ago
chech out the ahadith i'll put up here
u should ask the question: 'where is it its sanction on the qur'an or sunnah?'
Karamymy 2 years ago
salam bida person so wat is so bida about standing up and doing zikr
savoyst 2 years ago
I miss going to ibn Arabi mosque- a.k.a Jaamie' MahhyuEddin.. =(
crazyamai 2 years ago
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these people are having a whale of a time....converting the masjid into a 'sufibar'... shame on them
mkeastone 2 years ago
sry for ma english they all think they are scolars sheykh khishk talking(love him) about:) first answer they have: this hadith is da'if:)
OrientalStyle47 2 years ago
@anglostani you are right.. all times the same stuff:( i was in this mosque of ibn arabi and a salafi(they are not salaf!) boy of kirgisistan cames there just to critisize the people ..why he went to this mosque if he doesnt like this place?
they just like to discuss and want have the right.
and where is is the love for the brother? they cant see why the people do like they do.
OrientalStyle47 2 years ago
in short, their are enough evidences in the Shariah to allow this, just as much as you have your quote your own view to not allow it. As long as no one makes it fard or imposes on you - then you cannot claim monopoly on the Sunnah.
Walaykum asalam
Anglostani 3 years ago 6
Also Imam As Suyuti rahimahu Allah, a mujtahid in the True sense narrated the evidences for collective loud dhikr in his books. So do we abandon the pristine and divine history of Islam versus new modernist hadith translaters? It seems everyman and his donkey these days is commenting on what is and isnt allowed in hadith, Utterly against the strict requirements of the teachings of the past.
Anglostani 3 years ago
Perhaps hadiths can be used and chopped and changed by anyone. To question Hakim in his mustadrak on a view you do not like does not raise your status to his (ra). This is the Shariah, preserved in books. Imam Shafi (ra) said da'eef hadiths can be relied upon and acted upon as long as they dont contradict Aqeedah (ie> minor matters of religous nature). Since this is rememberance of Allah - the virtues of which are in many hadith it is case closed.
Anglostani 3 years ago
I just have 1 question, please I need an answer: "Did the Prophet Muhammad do the Burda and dance and sing like this, or permit people to do Burda. And did the Companions of the Prophet do this stuff after his death? What about the Successors of the Companions -- did they do any of this? Also, what was the view of the 4 Imaams of the Muslim Ummah, on this issue of singing and Burda? Did any notable Muslim scholar of the past do this kind of singing or allow it?
I wanna follow Prophet Muhammad
abdelbaasit1 3 years ago
IstakhfirAllah!
yoyonig1 3 years ago
Thank you. We seek Allah's forgiveness, from these actions. Muhammad, nor the Sahaabah, nor the Successors, nor the 4 Imaams of Islam did or allowed this.
May Allah help us to do WHAT PLEASES HIM, what His Prophet taught us to do, and help us to die as Muslims, worshipping Him and obeying His commands, and not doing our own stuff. Aameen :) :) :)
abdelbaasit1 3 years ago
Audobillahhmshaytaniradjim. What is this? THIS IS NOT ISLAM!!!!!HARAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yousz777 3 years ago
Lovely, thank you for posting.
Please, has anyone got a longer clip?
kinghamhouse 3 years ago
ألا بذكر الله تطمئن القلوب
والذين إذا ذكر الله وجلت قلوبهم
chechenyastar 3 years ago
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This is NOT true Islam >>> and these people are doing wrong
AntiAssad 3 years ago
MashAllah
Crunchybear1 3 years ago
BEAUTIFUL
mujaid1 3 years ago
Narrated Abu Said al Khudri radhiallaho anh that the Holy Prophet Muhammad salalahu alayhi wasalaam said: "Udkhurullahu Hatta Yaquloo Majnun" - "Do so much Dhikr people declare you mad".
Imam Ahmed Musnad,
Ibn Hibban, Abu Yala declared Sahih.
LionofMadinah 3 years ago 15
This hadith you referred to has many different wordings, the meanings of which are roughly the same:
Here it is: أكثروا من ذكر الله حتى يقولوا مجنون
"Increase in the Remembrance of Allah (Dhikr of Allah), until they say you are crazy."
In other report, حتى يقول المنافقون : إنكم مراءون
"Until the hypocrites say you are showing off."
abdelbaasit1 3 years ago
And the hadeeth has been verified to be "daeef" (inauthentic) by numerous scholars of hadith.
This hadith was recorded by (1) Haakim (2) Ahmad (3) Abd bin Humaid (4) Thalabi (5) Ibn Asaakir.
They all recorded it with the chain of narration, from Diraaj Abi Samh, who narrated from Abu Haytham, who narrated from Abu Sa'id Khudri, who reported from 'the Prophet'.
abdelbaasit1 3 years ago
It is true that (only) Haakim said this hadeeth is 'saheeh', but all others opposed him in this. And Dhahabi and other early scholars noted that Haakim (often times) erred in his judgment of hadiths. Many times -- he would call a "explicitly fabricated hadith" 'saheeh'!
The ONLY PROBLEM in this chain of narration is Diraaj Abi Samh. In fact, in another writing, Haakim explicitly said about Diraaj: إنه كثير المناكير 'He would make a lot of mistakes.'
abdelbaasit1 3 years ago
Ahmad (a scholar of hadith, from the Early Muslims) stated about Diraj : أحاديثه مناكير "His hadiths are not acceptable."
Yahya said: ليس به بأس "There's nothing wrong with him." In another wording, he said he is "good". * The famou Scholar of Hadith, Nasaa'i said: منكر الحديث "He is rejected in hadith." Abu Haatim said: ضعيف "He is weak."
Ibn Adiyy said: عامتها لا يتابع عليها "The majority of his hadiths are not followed."
abdelbaasit1 3 years ago
@LionofMadinah: asalamualaikum
whether or not that hadeeth is strong or weak
this method of dhikr is not according to what the prophet (pbuh) did.
and that is the main point.
Allah commands His servants to refer all disputes to him: “(And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger…” (an-Nisa’: 59)
he commands us to follow his sunnah and avoid innovation.
subhanAllah the intention of praising the prophet muhammad(SAW) and Allah (swt)is praiseowrthy
loaded99percent 1 year ago
However in the method it is being done, it is not praiseworthy. For it is not the way the prophet (SaW) did it.
SubhanAllah the prophet (SAW) has said in his last hajj that he has completed the deen for us. he has not left a single aspect of islam except that he has told us.
If there was any from of dhikr greater than the way the prophet muhammad (Saw) did it...He would have done it! Anything the prophet (SAW) did is the best way of doing something for he was the best man in the world.
loaded99percent 1 year ago
@loaded99percent Brother there are countless things we do that the Prophet did not do pertaining Islam. For example, we have literary works (tafsir, translations...etc) that were unheard of in the time of the prophet. We have new Jurisprudence techniques and new scientific information that change everyday lives of Muslims. No one says or ever said these are Bid'ah. If what they do is within Sharia then it is not for us to say it is unfavorable. We have to separate halal-haram innovation.
Sagr1987 1 year ago
@Sagr1987
Asalamualikum Wa rahmatullahi wa baratakutuhu Broher,
Yes I completely agree that we must seperate the haram-halal innovation. however we mean bida'a in terms of religious actions.
Its true though. We do a lot of things the Prophet (SaW) didnt do and was unheard of. We use microwaves to heat our halal meals, we drive cars to the Masjid and etc.
when it comes to islam we should follow the complete example of our prophet (saw). i think that we can both agree on inshAllah :)
loaded99percent 1 year ago
@Sagr1987
And your right we do have new jurisprudence techniques and new scientific information. However Islam does not change. perhaps the way we get to it (learn online, drive to masjid etc) method may be different but the actually practices never change.
After we die we pray that on the Day of Judgement we see the Prophet (sAW) at the well of Hawl, and he quenches us from his own blessed hands.....
loaded99percent 1 year ago
@Sagr1987
And we pray that the angels do not turn us away and they tell the prophet (saW) who is concerned for us, that he does not know the innovation we practiced after he was gone. Even be it accidental or out of lack of knowledge to some point.
For the Prophet (saw) has said many time, He who does not follow my sunnah,(my way, my methods, my understanding, my actions) then he is not from me. Fa Hu'wah Laysa Minee. Wa Naudhu Billah Minh. Ameen. Salam
loaded99percent 1 year ago
He had Allahs revelation as guidance and we truly follow Allah sincerely by humbling ourselves and following his prophet (sAW) in every little single way. despite our desires to do as we pleaes but to humble ourselves and refer to quran and sunnah.
loaded99percent 1 year ago
@LionofMadinah And the methods of dhikr according to the sunnah of the prophet salalahu alayhi wasalaam? To repeat Subhan'Allah, Alhumdulillah, Astagfar etc. Repitition of such dhikr while walking etc would cause people to declare you mad (talking to yourself) but to do dhikr in the way as shown in this video is beyond that. It is not in the sunnah and nor a practice of any sahabaa or tabiyeen (may Allah be pleased with them).
Husham1984 1 year ago
@LionofMadinah Do you consider ppl that talk to themselves mad ?
cbwifey1331 11 months ago
@cbwifey1331
really? so what's up with the whistling to oneself or reciting music by oneself alone? i guess there crazy too. the whole damn society is crazy. WE ALL NEED PILLS!
yusufulhas 10 months ago
@yusufulhas I was talking bout the hadith and the actual meaning, Btw it doesNT mean literally go crazy like this guys. But by making dhikh under your breath, ppl might think your talking to yourself and call you MAD ! What are you talking bout ? Haha. I think you need pills tho.
cbwifey1331 10 months ago
@cbwifey1331
someone calling himself a muslim telling a brother to to take brain destroying medicine. astigfirallah. so now making dhikr under the breath is haraam. if i was khalifat i would tell the wahabis to convert or die. seriously. you don't understand anything because you're not spiritual. you're not spiritual because you're not sincere you're wahabi you have no nur. the salaf us saliheen were spiritual. i live an altered state from dhikr salah etc. you don't know nothing
yusufulhas 10 months ago
@LionofMadinah Yes but the dhikr must be the way of how the prophet made it!
Omar20Musa 9 months ago
, so Abu Moosaa said to him, "O Aboo 'Abdur-Rahmaan I have just seen something in the masjid which I deemed to be evil, but all praise is for Allaah, I did not see anything except good!" He inquired, "Then what is it?" (Aboo Moosaa) replied, "If you live you will see it. I saw in the masjid people sitting in circles awaiting the Prayer. In each circle they had pebbles in their hands and a man would say 'repeat Allaahu Akbar a hundred times.' So they would repeat it a hundred times.
Omar20Musa 9 months ago
Then he would say, 'say Laa ilaaha illallaah a hundred times.' So they would say it a hundred times. Then he would say, 'say Subhaanallaah a hundred times.' So they would say it a hundred times." (Ibn Mas'ood) asked, "What did you say to them?" (Aboo Moosaa) said, "I did not say anything to them. Instead I waited to hear you view or what you declared." (Ibn Mas'ood) asked, "What did you say to them?" (Aboo Moosaa) said, "I did not say anything to them.
Omar20Musa 9 months ago
Instead I waited to hear you view or what you declared." (Ibn Mas'ood) replied, "Would that you had ordered them to count up the evil deeds they acquired and assured them that their good deeds would not be lost!" Then we went along with him (Ibn Mas'ood) until he came to one of these circles and stood and said, "What is this which I see you doing?" They replied, "O Aboo 'Abdur-Rahmaan! These are pebbles upon which we are counting takbeer, tahleel and tasbeeh."
Omar20Musa 9 months ago
He said, "(You should) count your evil deeds and I will assure you that none of your good deeds will be lost. Woe to you, O Ummah of Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam)! How quickly you are rushing to your destruction! These are the Companions of your Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) and who are widespread (and numerous). There are his clothes which have not yet decayed and his eating utensils which are unbroken. By Him in Whose Hand is my soul!
Omar20Musa 9 months ago
Either you are upon a deen better guided than the Deen of Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) or that you are opening the door of misguidance (from this bid'ah)." They said, "O Aboo Abdur-Rahmaan! By Allaah, we only intended good." He said, "How many there are who intend good but do not achieve it. Indeed Allaah's Messenger said to us 'A people will recite the Qur'aan but it will not pass beyond their throats.' By Allaah! I do not know, perhaps most of them are from you." Then he left them.
Omar20Musa 9 months ago
Umar ibn Salamah (the sub-narrator) said: "We saw most of those people fighting against us on the day of Nahrawaan, along with the Khawaarij."
From the introduction of ad-Daarimee, volume one, page 73 with an authentic chain.
Omar20Musa 9 months ago
yeah
but if they are doing zikr,is it a forbidden act or anything?
pls dont be narrow-minded
we are in no position to judge ppl
YZTWR 4 years ago 5
We are not judging, nore do we have a right to do so. Allah will judge on the Day of Judgment.
You confuse "enjoing good/forbidding wrong" - with - judging people. The latter is an obligation, while this is forbidden.
As for "Zhikr of Allah" - this is good. But it is general. Making zhikr in this specific fashion, with dancing and singing, and jumping up & down wildly ...... SIMPLY was not done by the Prophet Muhammad, or his Companions, or the Sucessors or any of our Ancient Scholars
abdelbaasit1 3 years ago
that "hadith" of ibn mas'od is daef. and it's not even a hadith because it goes to a sahabi. the narrator of the "hadith" has been described as unreliable. it's Da'ef. that's why alot of non muslims get scared of becoming muslim. too much haraam this haraam that. you should focus more on what is halal instead of putting a stamp on any and everything as haraam.
yusufulhas 10 months ago
@yusufulhas the hadith is not daeef!
Omar20Musa 9 months ago
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On the authority of Aishah, who said : The messenger of Allah said:
"He who innovates something in this matter of ours that is not of it will have it rejected."
Narrated by Bukhari and Muslim
And in one version by Muslim it reads :
"He who does an act which our matter is not [in agreement] with will have it rejected."
Related by Bukhari and Muslim
yunis1706 4 years ago
Why are people putting "thumbs down" (negative signs) for your comment, when you DID NOT SAY A SINGLE WORD FROM YOURSELF ? Your whole comment is simply a HADEETH , that is saheeh (authentic), from the Messenger of Allah.
This either means, the people putting negative signs on your comment are not Muslims, or they don't believe in Muhammad (peace be on him).
abdelbaasit1 3 years ago