Did Native Americans Discover Europe First?

[woodenmajor]

so...he really believes that american indians were secretly living in IRELAND in the 1470s ? lol ireland is a fairly smallish place ,.where exactly would these poor heathens hide to escape the the violent attentions of the very numerous , backward, NON pc paddy's and their hateful priests ? theindians would have been run down within weeks . well ,sp this guy teaches AMRTICAN indian studies ay UC davis ?...lord help us >

[TheNewMusicNetwork]

@Dave90425 jewish ilk tend to be cultural marxists(anti europoid) in their outlook. especially the libtard ones at frankfurt school style colleges.

I wouldn't expect an inane chimpanzee like you to grasp that however.

case closed

[CitizenofTatooine]

i remember reading about red people who came to Europe accidently. it's probably happened long time ago.

[TonyElTijuanero]

They didn't discover Europe, there's no evidence of it. What happen was that when the Vikings ended up making contact with the Natives, the Vikings invited Native Americans to Northern Europe. Studies have shown that some Northern Europeans have Native American ancestry. I'm sure in Spain also, Spaniards took some slaves to Spain, although not a lot.

[TheNewMusicNetwork]

oh yeah FUCK UCDAVIS and it's marxo-fascist admin.

[TheNewMusicNetwork]

nothing but vile jews in this video. no evidence. no mtdna. case closed

[Dave90425]

@TheNewMusicNetwork vile jews? what do jews have to do with native americans and europeans? are you kidding me? lol wut?

[interstellarwonder]

mrboobbarker is just spouting crap ,he isn't even a professor.

[mrboobbarker]

@interstellarwonder so then vikings did not discover America before Columbus and those ruins in Newfoundland and all the other archeological evidence is just planted for tourists? Yeah ok you go ahead and believe that if you want.

[interstellarwonder]

@mrboobbarker no one knows for a fact they were 'viking' settlements,. it may have actually been Irish monks and Not vikings.

[mrboobbarker]

@interstellarwonder I have never read any documentation that leads me to believe that irish monks were explorers and the artifacts found at the newfoundland dig sites were definitely viking or norse in origin. interesting though.

[interstellarwonder]

@mrboobbarker in ireland there is a tradition of brendan's voyage, cartier himself noted basque fisherman trading with the local tribes, he also recorded basque ships in the st.lawrence river. tell me you don't know this.

[mrboobbarker]

I find it shameful that as soon as someone points out the fact that this professor provided no real evidence to back up his claim that the term 'racism' is applied almost immediately. Insults are the last resort of a man with a weak argument(or no arguement). Instead of trying to silence debate with terms like 'racism' perhaps you should try and find hard evidence to back up the claim. Now THERE'S a thought eh?

[mrboobbarker]

@THEETRUTHTELLER is this dribble supposed to be intellectual? lol you need to keep working on it

[mrboobbarker]

Also, there is now evidence starting to emerge that point to Romans trading with Incas and Aztecs during the hayday of the Roman Empire. Nothing totally concrete yet but it a new discovery. Neither columbus NOR the Native Americans of his day discovered anything at all that had not already been discovered long before by either Vikings (FACT) or (perhaps) even Romans. History is the study of FACT not supposition

[mrboobbarker]

And as for hard evidence, Settlements have been uncovered in Newfoundland (that's in NORTH AMERICA!) that are viking in origin and date back to the 11th or 12th centuries (Long before Columbus was even born). these were trading posts and the vikings traded with Native Americans until the settlements were abandoned.

[mrboobbarker]

This is pure foolishness designed to give good feelings to native americans, they have no need of such lies, factual NA history is more than honourable enough to stand without fantasy written in as psuedo fact. History is FACT not 'truth' - that's philosphy.

Besides, neither of these argumnents means anything as Vikings discovered North america LONG BEFORE columbus' lifetime so .... THERE! Just some simple historical FACTS to consider!

[interstellarwonder]

@mrboobbarker vikings were vagabonds, and history is continually twisted to suit neo-azi whites. how's that for history?

[mrboobbarker]

@interstellarwonder sounds like history written by a person suffering from a serious inferiority complex.

[interstellarwonder]

@mrboobbarker yeah namely ,you. you just had to post " Vikings discovered North america LONG BEFORE columbus' lifetime" as if the vikings did anything worthy. load of crap.

[mrboobbarker]

@interstellarwonder archeology does not lie sorry, settlements have already been uncovered and dated in fact they are tourist attractions in newfoundland now so you can believe whatever makes you feel good but I'll stick to the facts

[interstellarwonder]

only white ppl would oppose this , because they are so full of ideals of fantasy

[mrboobbarker]

@interstellarwonder It is a shame really, natives have a rich and diverse culture but people like you distort that rich heritage and spread falsehoods for god knows what reason. It clouds the facts and takes away from the rich cultural heritage that natives already have. You paint me as a racist because I want to stick to real facts. My native wife does not take this attitude towards me

[interstellarwonder]

@mrboobbarker it's white racist ppl who distort natice american history, you have a native wife?!!? WTF?! breeding the indian out of the indian (so they say) by marrying into a native tribe? fuck you

[mrboobbarker]

@interstellarwonder only a true racist would post a comment like this, congrats, you win the racist of the year award

[interstellarwonder]

@mrboobbarker why did you post to this video? waiting for ppl to post comments? so you can counter any positive posts about this video? --->you ---> "This is pure foolishness designed to give good feelings to native americans...." ? maybe you should that "racist of the year award. This man (RIP) was a respected professor.

[mrboobbarker]

@interstellarwonder You wanna 'feel good' go and read fairy tales but do not re-write history just to make yourself feel good. The fact that the man was a respected professor does not give him the right to alter history however he wants and then expect it to be accepted as fact and taught in our schools, etc. I will always oppose fiction being peddled as fact just to make someone feel good.

[interstellarwonder]

@mrboobbarker forbes EVIDENCE is more than fairy tales.there is more fairy tales in accepted history.

[mrboobbarker]

@interstellarwonder and I post here because I love history and the study of history but we already live in a world filled with deception and i fail to see why i should turn a blind eye when more deception is being peddled, either intentionally or unintentionally. Insults not withstanding.

[interstellarwonder]

@mrboobbarker this isn't deception, i have seen videos posted by white supremists on youtube, why don't say the same to them as you tell me? it seems you 'turn a blind eye' to their peddling INTENTIONAL deceptions. but you love and study history.

[mrboobbarker]

@interstellarwonder white supremists? Are you a fucking serious crack pot? I'm Canadian stupid we have no KKK up here, grow the fuck up. you cannot defeat the 'white supremists' by creating false history that any supremist can shoot full of holes in an instant and make you look like an even bigger idiot than you were before. Without facts you have no argument and you only look like a fool in public debate when you try to argue the obviously unprovable.

[interstellarwonder]

@mrboobbarker no KKK up here? from what i know , there ARE white supremist group in Canada, especially in the west like Alberta ,BC. you can't deny this is true. and i'm not a crack-pot, what ever that means.

[mrboobbarker]

@interstellarwonder This is NO KKK in Canada but we do have 'skinheads' - they are pathetic idiots with low self esteem, A 'crack-pot' is slang for 'crazy person'. Alberta has the largest muslim temple in North america in Calgary and muslims are definitely racist so perhaps this is the group you are referring to? Religion of all forms is simply deception, fiction peddled as fact and look at the problems it causes worldwide. this is why I opppose fiction being peddled as fact in all things.

[interstellarwonder]

@mrboobbarker reading you comments , it's hard not to think you as a kkk member."This is NO KKK in Canada but we do have 'skinheads' - they are pathetic idiots with low self esteem." seems your describing yourself.

[chiefy67]

@interstellarwonder there are white supremists here in Canada, but they get no respect from anyone. If a legit group of people wanted to celebrate their white race were to form I as a native American would support them as long as they did not harbor any racists. there is nothing wrong with being proud of your race as long as you dont hate on others.

[interstellarwonder]

@mrboobbarker BTW , i'm canadian also, i was NOT descibing muslims, but actuall white ppl handing out flyers and doing supremist shit like that, they go to cemetaries and descrate graves destroy tombstones, you know, white racist shit.

[interstellarwonder]

@mrboobbarker for your information forbes is a Professor, and has the credentials to speak about this, your just a racist punk.

[mrboobbarker]

@interstellarwonder poor soul, I pity you really I do. Being a professor is irrelevant as well, many a 'educated man' have distorted facts in the past or jumped to conclusions based on faulty facts. 'Professors' once believed the world was flat, but it isn't

[interstellarwonder]

@mrboobbarker another thing that white ppl love to say also to non-whites "inferiority complex", Y? because I'm not 'white'? like you? fuck you racist scumbag .

[atifirepro1]

Bullshit.

[FirstNativeAmerican]

If White people say Asians moved across the pacific ocean to get to Hawaii, which in common sense is impossible, and ridiculous, then Native Americans would had make boats to arrive to Europe. But the real truth is Asians did not went across the pacific ocean to Hawaii. The Native of Americans in Hawaii had always been in Hawaii same as Native Americans have always been in North America. Native American could have make it to Europe, if they wanted yes they would it have.

[mrboobbarker]

@FirstNativeAmerican Archeological evidence has proven that all humans evolved in the mediteraenean basin (around egypt, Libya, etc - IN AFRICA!!!) all civilization spread out from there. This is proven fact not NA fiction or fantasy. this man presented no hard evidence AT ALL of native americans in Europe period except that Columbus said so. Many written records survive from that period, apparently NO ONE ELSE saw them except Columbus. Just the facts ma'am

[lucy9359]

@mrboobbarker I thank God that some people understand hard facts are what counts...what archeologists have found...not what people have speculated...

[mrboobbarker]

@lucy9359 truth is a perspective but facts are universal

[mrboobbarker]

@FirstNativeAmerican your statement is simple false fantasy nothing more there is all kinds of evidence supporting the pacific rim theory and not a single shred to support any of these native american fantasies. Lie to yourself if you want but always remember facts are facts. I suppose the could have flew to the moon as well eh?

[FirstNativeAmerican]

Columbus took a native American girl to Spain to show prove their was people in another continent.

[mrboobbarker]

@FirstNativeAmerican so what? What does this have to do with the discussion?

[r2itos]

In quechua an andean lenguage the word to SPEAK is PARLAY; same as the french parler to speak, in ITALIAN parla =talk, in spanish HABLA=speak, in German sprechen to speak. The Celtics,and Tuscans( North italy), have their roots in the andes of south america. both culture were experts in metallurgists, the use of metal in the Americas pre dates the use of metals in the old world.

[r2itos]

THE RURAL PART OF IRELAND CUSTOMS HAVE SIMILARITIES WITH CUSTOMS OF NATIVE ANDEAN CUSTOMS.

[joeltena]

Jack D. Forbes, ¡PRESENTE!

[FryNorth]

What makes it even more stupid is that this idiot assumes that Colombus was the first European in America, when norseman arrived there before that. And there is evidence of Europeans beeing in American 20.000 years ago, 5000 years before the first asians come there.

Native Americans might be both European and Asian.

[interstellarwonder]

@FryNorth your the idiot. jack d. forbes is a noted professor (R.I.P)

[FryNorth]

@interstellarwonder

And that explains the arguments i posted how?

[interstellarwonder]

@FryNorth STFU, your probably some spoon fed white punkass kid who has maids cleaning your crusty underwear.

[FryNorth]

Well this isnt really overwelming evidence, one guy who wrote it in a book. This is wishfull thinking. Remember that Norsemen went to America long before columbus. There might have come some with the Norseman to Europe.

[rooster26730]

It defys belief that the great cultures of the Aztecs, Incas, and Mayas couldn't have possibly built ships capable of transatlantic voyage. They built pyramids and great citys, you would think they could have built boats. They also have knowledge of astronomy so they could have used that knowledge to navigate.

[FirstNativeAmerican]

@rooster26730 The Aztecs have boats have you not see where the Aztec city was? The Aztec city is in the middle of a lake, and they used boats to arrive to the city. About 700 Spaniard soldiers drown in that lake, the Spaniards wouldn't make in or out of the city with out a boat. That's why Hernan cortez wrote about the sad night, he wouldn't believe how many of his Spaniard men drown in that lake.

[FirstNativeAmerican]

@rooster26730 The Spaniards stole boats from the Aztecs to carry canons, equipment, guns, and bombs to reload the canons. Spaniards make elites with Native American tribes who their enemy were the Aztecs. With out the help of the Native elites of the Spaniards. The Spaniards would had never never!! never!! reach the Aztec city. The Aztec empire was from the center of Mexico all the way to Peru. The Aztecs used boats to go along, the short coast to arrive to another cities, that's how moved

[rooster26730]

@FirstNativeAmerican Native Americans were on this continent killing and raping their enemies women(other native Americans) and take their land. The Europeans came over here and said, hey we kill and rape the women of our enemies too, and we take their land. So it looks like the play by the same rules we do so we will just kill, rape, and take their land since they already play the same game, it just happened that the Europeans were better at it.

[mrboobbarker]

@rooster26730 There is no evidence of shipbuilding in north america prior to eurpoean arrival. Where are the archeological remains of these shipyards, boats of this size and complexity are not simply carved out of a few trees in the jungle. These types of boats would be good enough to go around the islands in the carribean but not a transatlantic voyage. Where is the proof? What they COULD have done is irrelevant, we COULD have gone to Mars in the 1970s, but we didn't.

[rooster26730]

@mrboobbarker What's your point? I don't see how you disagree with my post.

[interstellarwonder]

@mrboobbarker for your information ,all native american knowlegde is suppressed. because white ppl are scared of the truth.

[drki11joy123]

This video is fun! lol

[MrLordbigtoe]

This is bullshit. Really?Really dude? Check your genome project.

[TheShadowgore]

Native Americans didn't migrate from asian nor europe or of any place of this earth,but that Native Americans migrated to asian,europe,africa and egypt.Like our 5 fingers each was a human race,Native American,African,Egyptian,Asia­n and lastly European.Both Native American and Egyptians rose to a great power long before European's,African's and Asian's.They both fell from there disconnection from the earth.In Native American Proverbs quoted what they said To never go against Mother Earth again

[mrboobbarker]

@TheShadowgore boy is this a pipe dream

[mrboobbarker]

@TheShadowgore Native Americans cling to this fantasy of 'always being here' because without it they must accept that they are no different than the europeans, just immigrants who spread out from the old world to the new. Human kind evolved in the med. basin and spread out from there. Just the facts ma'am

[interstellarwonder]

@mrboobbarker the fact remains in blood and DNA, native americans were here a loooooooong ,loooong time.... maybe native americans were always here ,and modern humans populated Asia from the Americas.

[hannigan06]

I disagree as far as Ireland. Columbus went to Ireland to Galway because St. Brendan. St. Brendan who according to legend visited the New World. Columbus went to look at the information. Why Clonfert is in the county of Galway where St. Brendan is from. Now to say that Irish couldn't do this you'd be foolish. The Irish live on and Island so off the bat they are sea fairing people. An St. Brendan did for a fact go to Greenland.

[hannigan06]

@hannigan06 Now if you doubt the Irish currach couldn't make the journey well you don't know a lot of boat building. The currach was first mentioned in writing at around the time of Julius Caesar, who reported seeing sailed ocean-going currachs roving the North Atlantic. Notice that one Julius Caesar saw them in the North Atlantic meaning Currach's and the Irish. Tim Severin, in 1978 to show that it would have been possible, by sailing a leather currach from Ireland to Newfoundland).

[hannigan06]

@Hannigan06, I'm going to say that Europeans discovered North America the same time Asians did. Resulting in fighting and union ships between some people. In Kansas there are some caves with Irish writing. Also check this video title out. Celts and Indians more than cousins. The Celts for one are older than the Ancient Greeks and Romans. The Romans and Greeks both had run ins with them. The Gauls for the Romans. The Galatians for the Greeks so its possible.

[HeeroBlaze]

After see this I tried to find some scholarly reviews of this work, but couldn't find any. It would be interesting to see Forbes' sources. Looking at his website, he says the evidence is 9,000 years old, which I'm skeptical about. Also, the sourcing of Columbus is also tricky and needs to be taken into context. Just saying he saw "them" isn't exactly clear what Columbus is talking about, as even the Irish seemed like a different people from Europeans.

[interstellarwonder]

@HeeroBlaze please please UNderstand that Forbes(RIP) was a PROFESSOR, not some armchair crank! As A professor , NO Doubt he would have access to info in museums and similar institutions that the average person would most definitely be DENIED.

[pjlu2]

all races are foolish, i see it with my own eyes this day

[demetriushardin]

natives can build cities and pyramids. but not a boat. you crakers were sailing on moorish ship any way when u came here. how you going to know how to sail from europe on advanced ships but did not know how to sow feilds and be civilized. natives had to teach you. there are people in africa called the bushman (kosar) & hottentat that look ilike native americans. native culture and african are the same. mohawks, feathers, body paint, earings, and lowin cloith. whites want us to thk hes savior

[budda10000]

@demetriushardin TROOOOLLLLLLLL

[SANxJONERO]

@demetriushardin When you look at your page it's obvious you like whites, but on here you look like a straight up ignorant ass bigot.

[SANxJONERO]

@demetriushardin Our Lord Jesus is savior!

[rooster26730]

@SANxJONERO fuck you

[SANxJONERO]

@rooster26730 FUCK YOU TOO!

[rooster26730]

@SANxJONERO fuck you and your bullshit Jesus

[SANxJONERO]

@rooster26730 Kick rocks bitch

[rooster26730]

@SANxJONERO Good for you if you love Jesus, asshole but you're on the wrong forum for that. Not everyone is a chrisian and your love for Jesus ain't got shit to do with this topic so go fuck yourself and eat your own asshole and love Jesus all you want but if you aren't going to talk about this topic get the fuck on with your dumbass

[SANxJONERO]

@rooster26730 Shut up you fucking monkey, cuzz I wasn't talking to your dumbass in the 1st place & I couldn't eat my own ass if I tried.

[rooster26730]

@SANxJONERO Jesus is a myth

[SANxJONERO]

@rooster26730 Wow, I must have really not known you thought that.

[rooster26730]

@SANxJONERO shut the fuck up asswad. I'm done with this dialogue. I said fuck you because this isn't the place for praising Jesus. Go find some other Jesus freak thread on you tube

[SANxJONERO]

@rooster26730 Like I said, I wasn't talking to you dumb fuck. You could have shut up a long time ago, but you're like an annoying rooster & even wants to be a dumb monkey on top of everything.

[AntarcticChamp]

@demetriushardin

Damn the evil white man and his spelling conventions! My money says three days in the motherland and you are begging for a return to the evil white mans society, but that's just one 'crakers' opinion.

Your connections between native african culture and native american culture are to obtuse to justify a retort.

[demetriushardin]

crakers cover up everything. i believe him

[vlad220]

that's bs. Native Americans did not have the technology and ships to make the voyage. It is also believed that Egyptians made it to the Americas before(they did have the technology) and this might be an explanation for the ships. Also the Aztecs had pyramids similar to the early Egyptian pyramids. It is also believed that the Romans traded with natives from the Americas (there were buried roman coins and other artifacts found in the Americas) but the dark ages erased all evidence of all contact.

[OhhSuzanne]

So what?

Does this 'prove' that Americans are smarter than Europeans orso?

It might be true that Americans discovered Europe before Europe discovered America. But that doesn't say anything about Americans.

Europeans now are still the europeans from then.

Native Americans aren't 'ruling' America anymore.

European Americans do.

More than half of the American population are originally from Europe (colonisation and so)

It doesn't prove anything or make a point.

It's just a little fact.

[EarthaKit2]

However, I just heard an "out of place "data, being told by this Prof.

He supposedly quote Columbuas, "I saw them with my own eyes in Galway..."

Funny, but Columbus was never reported to have been in Ireland.

In the Madeiras or Canaries, but further north?

I must concede there were blank spaces in C.C.'s life, though. Who knows the details of where he was? Our REAL history has been suppressed and we;'ve - obviously, been lied to all along, in everything.