Okay xtermin-so-and-so, you are a hell bunch of a proof that idiots will never die. Just don't write any comments for me anymore... U are only wasting my time.
@Marens777 you are wronk..amd gfx was ati so with amd cpus they arent like lets say sisters...but they are the same factory but intel works great with ati/amd gfx..i have 2way cf on my sabertooth p67 btw. i have a 2500k and 2 6950...
O wow AMD Rocks Intel Boards are bad. UEFI bois for the win on AMD windows 8 well run the FX like a beast on the full 8 cores running not just the 3 cores
If you see the specs of both of you will understand! It is technically not so recent for comparing ... Damn! AMD has been talking for years to join this technology GPU and CPU. When you're a giant like Intel, and knows that its competitor will make you stand behind it? No! And she did WHAT! From day to night was there the i3, 5, 7, second generation!
Ok this is a true fact the AMD 8150 in benchmarks on window 7 base is only using 3 cores vs there 8 because of the hotfixes they have been doing vs the 2500 is using 4 cores. wehn windows 8 comes out there well be the full 8 core where the bulldozer well out perform there I7 6 cores the cost to much.
Lately I see that AMD is giving a lot of headaches for Intel after AMD finally started talking about GPGPU Intel chased, so we saw the birth of i3, 5, 7 second-generation ... It would be the same as a poor knight (AMD) battling a huge dragon (Intel)! Well I learned that AMD plans to release processors with frequency of manufactures 4Ghz let's see how Intel will do to get around! Oh make a fair comparison type (AMD A8-3870K) against (i5 2500K)!
@redeemer777 yeah maybe. they invented the first 64 bit cpu if im not mistaken. but srsly these times are over as it appears. intel has clearly reached top of mount everest first. adn it looks like this will not change for quite some time, if ever, since amd stops making normal desktop cpus. they try to focus on the fusion architectue (cpu+gpu) :)
What about the power consumption difference between the 8 core monster and the 4 core? I am sure the intel would save more cash over a 2 year stretch then an amd 8 core whore. power isn't dirt cheap nowadays like it was 10-15 years ago. Nice review btw, but seems like your an AMD fanboi lol.
Hey guys calm ae! Or heard that the benchmarks do not change the results for AMD! Are suspected ... Well It's impossible to deny that it is hard to see a game that does not display a logo of Intel and Nvidia showing who monopolizes much of the market ... I give thanks that AMD exists anyway as far as the intel could raise prices if there is a strong competitor?
@BitfeNicks Try oc the new GF card up to 30% without gettint into trouble ;) And no, I am no fanboy of either company. I am using both and like both. In my current rig I took a 2500k @ 4,2Ghz. We do not only need gaming computers ;)
@BitfeNicks Ignoring benchmarks? No... Just saying they are not saying anything. AMD was never bad but I seem to waste my breath. Just look into other sectors (servers, workstations). Same with ATI. While they already have a working card, nvidia is still working at an overvoltaged gk104. ANY geforce (even next gen) would not beat my oc'ed 7970. Just a fact. And: I used nVidia before.
@8Denkmeister8 You OC'd a 7970, and say any next gen geforce could not beat it? I doubt any next gen ATI card could beat it. What a silly comparison to try to make ATI look better.
@bdrewsy nVidia's last gen cards had almost the same specs like the ATI cards except that they use MUCH more power and already have a 384-bit memory interface.
Getting performance just through grilling the chip (see temps and voltages) is no alternative for me. I am neither an ATI nor an nVidia fanboy (cause actually I am using the last one for the last years) but I don't want to have a 28nm graphics card with 2x8pin or more power connectors (see EVGA 580 classified).
@8Denkmeister8 You seemed to have missed the point and I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to prove in that reply either. You are trying to make ATI look better by saying an OC'd card from it will do better than a next gen NVIDIA card. The problem with that is an OC'd card from either company will generally perform better than a next gen card (at stock clock) from either company that's kinda why you OC stuff.
@bdrewsy Huh? nVidias next gen card is ATI's current gen... It will not perform better, just look around ;) The GTX 670 Ti actually should close the gap between the 7950 and 7970 so ATI does not have such a huge time to sell their best stuff. AND it is still not sure if they will release a full bunch of 6xx cards or wait for a complete release of the 7xx series in autumn. It's a fact that nVidia buys performance with increased heat.
lol which amd card has nvidia beat? the 6990 nope the 6950 nope the 2 year old 5970 nope, your one dumb motherfucker. Nvidia cant even get their 600 series out on time when they do 7990 will destroy all
@redeemer777 It's called a jumping game. AMD brings out something awesome, not much later nVidia brings out something that totally owns AMD, ad infinitum.
@Helge129 The 7xx most likely will. But I am still unsure about the 6xx... Remember: ATI/AMD already have sold many cards while nVidia is still working... ;) Many people will not be willing to upgrade again^^
@8Denkmeister8 Many people are waiting for the Kepler GPUs, like me. I'm sticking with 2 GTX580s for now, and will get a 600 or 700 series when they are out.
@8Denkmeister8 And again, that OC'd ATI card will beat out *any* next gen GPU as long as you compare them at stock clocks. That's what OC'ing a card does, makes it last longer/perform better than newer cards(stock). That's what I'm saying, ATI is not *better* than NVIDIA because your OC'd card is better than a stock clock NVIDIA card, that's a given with *any* OC'd card compared to *any* other card regardless of who made it therefore it can't be a basis for "X is better than X".
@bdrewsy Okay, strange logic... so nVidia builds faster cards cause they use the full potencial of the cards while ATI still have air to go up? I don't care, cause I don't want to have an egg cooking 480. And why do you think every seller of ATI graphics cards already pushed the clock speeds above 75Mhz of original clock? Cause it's possible without any problems. Try that with future nVidia cards. I don't say they are worse. But be honest: What's bad about competitive?
@8Denkmeister8 Who on earth are you even trying to discuss with? I never mentioned heat, never mentioned a 480 never mentioned ANYTHING aside from the fact that an old gen OC'd card will outperform a stock ATI/NVIDIA next gen card. That being such an OBVIOUS thing makes it for a pathetic thing to base "ATI is better" off of. If you want to do that then yes, bring up wattage usage and temperature. Stuff that isn't pathetic attempts to grasp at straws to try to prove a point.
Ehm, at 1080p and these games... Your GPU is a veeeery big bottleneck... Try running at 800*600 or sth like that. Compare again. See the difference. But also use some CAD/modelling software to show the AMD's strengths. It wouldn't be fare just comparing the gaming performance^^
It has a game called Supreme Commander Forged Alliance, which works a lot with processing and would like to see how one such processors behave with this game if possible of course! Thank you anything! I'm from Brazil do not speak English so try not to call the misspellings ha ha
Hmm I don't understand why people go OMG INTEL FTW of course intel's cpu's are better but.. I mean for the price bulldozer at like 189$ 8120 vs the i5 2500k at 229$ Its not a horrible huge difference. For me they are both good cpu's personally support amd because intel would have no competition.
"Dont really think most peoples test requirements are very realistic" LOL there people who hell of alot more than you Linus who do much better more indepth reviews
@dli7319 There is no benchmarks and /or testing programs to compare them so yer Intel may have said that on whim but simply accurately/scientifically compare them.
@dli7319 you did not mention it's true for floating point calculations only. try using your gpu for general computing. most everyday apps are not optimized to run on a gpu.
@dli7319 You are one ABSOLUTE IDIOT, you cannot compare a graphics card to a processor they are TWO different things completely. That's like comparing an apple to an orange. They are two different things , they work differently.
@dli7319 Yes but they are not the same thing in the end so you cannot make an overall decision on which is the best because people will have opinions on things such as taste. With two GPUS however you can compare with every single spec and find out which is better as a fact. Sorry you failed.
@Bhav025 well how can you compare an nvidia gpu to an amd gpu? they are both processors but amd has more cores and nvidia has higher frequency yet different architecture, CPU to gpu is similar to that
@dli7319 Yes they work differently completely , you cannot compare the physics of two parts that work for different things because they will require different specs to carry out that specific job.
@Bhav025 I'm not making an overall decision I'm just saying the the 3960x can not beat everything amd has because a 7970 is faster (did not say better overall just faster)
@dli7319 Its a fucking Graphics card you moronic twat what don't YOU understand, INTEL don't make graphics cards if they did then u can compare it. And the 7970 is faster in what by the way? It works differently to a processor, YOU cannot compare the two in speed because they are two different parts carrying out two different jobs.
@dli7319 you are dumb. how old are you seriously? you should go to a school and learn about how processor works before writing any more comments here. If you know processor architecture, you know you cannot compare different designs directly. each has its strengths and weaknesses. you can optimize a design to work well in certain things but not everything. PS3 cell is strong in FLOPS but it would suck as a cpu because it's a in order exercution processor just like intel atom.
@dli7319 explains output and performance scientifically. what kind of output performance? and when does frequency have any direct correlation with throughput? so you are saying we should go back to making single core processors with high frequency?
@dli7319 How can you compare CPU and GPU performance?? They are two opposite items with opposite functionality.... But yes, I did mean CPUs. I thought I made that obvious enough.
@8Denkmeister8 Yes, I am an Intel fanboy, I am also a Nvidia fanboy. Something wrong with that? Yea, the 7xxx series are beating Nvidia cards right now, but it's new gen compared to last gen. Wait until the 6xx series blows the 7xxx out of the water. And if you would take two seconds to look at benchmarks, the i5 2400 beats the FX 8150 in a slew of tests. So AMD is pretty much shit in the CPU department right now. So I'd say you are the fanboy for ignoring the benchmarks.
@465fire For that money (1000$), I could buy 3 FX-8150 which blow ANYTHING Intel has ever made :) I use both and like both in my job. Don't judge without having any idea what you are talking about.
@8Denkmeister8 Yea, good luck finding a Motherboard that supports 3x AM3+ Sockets, tell me when u found it in 5 years or something.. btw /facepalm on your statement AMD computers is more expensive then Intel now :) sry ^^
@Esymad I did never say AMD computers are more expensive. Read correctly. And btw... Where the heck did I say I would put all of them on ONE MB? Put them in different rigs and let them operate simultaneously in a cloud at the same programm. I just did a similar thing (but with >200 connected PC's) in my company.
@xterminator069 Hey fag, if you would have read carefully, you would already have known that I am using both companies and an i5 2500k in my system... *~* Learn to read.
I am German, actually. And we should know, what's best for high quality systems ;)
And still: I am using an Intel Core i5 2500k (dude, this is made by Intel -> here's the gotcha intel on "INTEL"). I love it. And at work I am using both.
@xterminator069 Okay, two things I have to admit: I am not a tenth as gay as u most likely are and second, I am neither as arrogant. Simply shut up babyface, you take this too serious... seriously. You are most likely an American guy. And well... this youtube page is much too short for all the insults that would fit you for that.
@8Denkmeister8 so you decided to jump out of the closet and admit that you're at least 1/10th gay. i say more, but have to take your words for it. second, people who think others arrogant are usually talentless themselves. third babyface american is much better than hitler youth such as yourself. nothing too short for insults unless you can't come up with any yourself.
lol You people who get in a huge stress over which company is "best" are so dumb. Why do you care? Company A will release the best thing since sliced bread and then company B will top that, followed by company A outdoing company B and so on and so on. If you like company A over company B, that's great and we're all happy for you but, seriously, get the fuck over it.
the K on Intel is just useless because you actually dont overclock the Core clock but the Turbo of the CPU. and as i know the turbo only can be used 25 secs at maximum Clock
my I7 2600k @ 4.5 ghz scores 8.80 in cinebench 11.5. Cinebench 11.5 its based on cinema4d rendering engine. It supports hundreds of threads. How much scores a OC bulldozer?
@rcarkk a 2600k has 8 threads and 4 cores so it will perform a lot better than most cpus and the bulldozer says it has 8 physical cores but has a lower frequency and instead of 1 core doing 1 thing they share processes between them
@findthecomputerroom6 Bulldozer has 8 PHYSICAL cores. The main problem with Bulldozer architecture is the fact that it´s not based on 8 COMPLETE cores. Bulldozer has 4 modules. Each module has 2 cores. This arch is based on 1 FPU for each module. In a normal "Core i7 or Phenom II X6" way, each core has it´s own FPU. Bulldozer has only 1 FPU for 2 cores. This FPU bottleneck + huge L3 cache latencies = bad performance. Intel is resting right now wich is bad for consumers!
@cbrunnem AMD advertises it as an 8 core CPU, even that it has 4 modules, each modules has 2 cores "8 threads - 8cores" . HT on the other hand splits two threads to be processed on 1 core,"8 threads - 4 cores"
@findthecomputerroom6 And my friend. Bulldozer runs @ 3.6 ghz stock vs 3.4 ghz stock of the 2600k. Cinebench 11.5 scores 6.70 @ stock 3.4ghz with NO turbo mode. The FX-8150 @ stock 3.6 ghz scores 5.94. It´s very clear that Bulldozer it´s a weak architecture. Hope it can be improved in a near future for the best of AMD and overall consumers.
@rcarkk i guess the only reason to buy one would be to be able to say hey everybody i have an 8 core cpu. but if you look at it, if you pair any of them up with a 7970 or gtx 580 youre still going to have a great system. but strangely this time intel cpus are better value for money than amd, apart from the lga 2011 ones that are 500 and 1000 dollars
ok quick question....in your opinion, would it be worth my time (and money) to upgrade from my phenom II x4 to the FX-series x4 series cpu's? yes/no, why/why not? cant be bothered to go to x6 or x8 dont have the money lmao.
@SGlitches no the outside of the bag is conductive but the inside is not that is why it is anti static it allows the energy to be stored on the outside and not enter the inside of the bag
@TheGhillesuitman The entire bag is an insulator, meaning it restricts the transfer of electricity. If one side of the bag is an insulator then the other also is since being it is composed of the same materials throughout the bag. Trust me, I am a certified electrician, and we had to learn this. A conductor is a material that allows an electric charge to move through, "Hint*through," it. The bag does allow a charge to be stored in it, but being an insulator it doesn't transfer.
@alexisfire999 You are not getting beast performance out of 470s 580' 6870's < 5870's on quadcores other than CoreI7's. They only score around 18000k on 3dmark06 without overclock. I'm running a Q9550 OC'D 3.4Ghz - 3.8ghz, 465 GTX cuz my EVGA 470GTX died I average about the same frames u said Ive used a Sapphire card. Built a similiar 1090t rig that scored 21000in 3d06 easy around 18k vantage. You are way better off with a CoreI7/ 6core AMD -1055T. Beast video cards on weak processors is bad.
I chose the 2500 since it was cheaper than the fx-8150. The AMD CPU should have been cheaper and in line with it's performance. This is the first time I've strayed from AMD and bought new Intel gear!
@naborghsoj08 I really enjoyed AMD in the past, as they used to have really great performance with better prices. But unfortunately they haven't been able to catch up with Intel and their price is out of line with performance. I always check Tom's Hardware before before buying some gear. This time I'll be jumping way up from the old AMD 9950 with only 4 gigs of ram to the Intel I-5 2500 with 8 gigs of Ram and a sandy bridge p67 Motherboard. Can hardly wait!
@KingmanIII APUs will only replace CPU/GPU combos if there's more money in it. Otherwise, they'll remain what they were originally designed to be; cheap solutions for corporate business users and lightweight graphic content producers.
Never forget these companies are in business to make profit, not to further technology. They'll only innovate if they feel they need to in order to maintain/obtain market share.
P67/Z68 boards aren't that much more expensive than 970/990X/990FX, on the whole. I mean, you can buy a 2500K and Z68 board for $330, total, which is roughly what it'd cost you for an FX-8120 and 990FX board.
"at clock speeds" who the heck used a unlocked AMD at stock speeds? 4.2ghz here and this thing is BLAZING fast, as far as it compared to my old 1090T they're somewhat close.
I5 cheaper but not whole system when you add on mother board and such. I went with 8150 16 gigs of ram system for 1100. Do that with Intel set up and it would have been out of my price range. I run witcher 2 Max setting no problem. Using Gtx 560ti btw.
The 8150 has a feature which allows you to turn off 1/2 the cores to boost the multiplier by 2 I wounder if that would help in gaming? I guess at default base speed it would give 400mhz more per a core so it would be a quad core running at 4Ghz & I guess it would max turbo at 4.6Ghz without overclocking is that right? Anyone willing to give it a try?
i need AMD for its multitasking capability and 3Ds max and other multi-media design softwares works better with AMD FX-8150. I use my Intel i7-990x too for rendering but for some odd reason, 3Ds max lags a bit when you use it for a long time and when i have other programs open in the background. It terms of gaming, both processors are the same(for me), both amd fx-8150 and i7-990x are too much for a game.
so do all the benchmarking you want, AMD and Intel performs the same for me.
Okay xtermin-so-and-so, you are a hell bunch of a proof that idiots will never die. Just don't write any comments for me anymore... U are only wasting my time.
8Denkmeister8 8 hours ago
@8Denkmeister8 so true... you should just go look into a mirror.
xterminator069 7 hours ago
fanboys are stupid. just buy whats best for you based on the price range and performance that you want... AND THEN SHUT UP
zoomerzrewl 9 hours ago
AMD fanboys are so mad that bulldozer is more expensive and worse than sandybridge
Bog2901 1 day ago
@Bog2901 we can just add 1.5GHz and smash anything lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!
SuperBrandango 1 day ago
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Your tests are bottlenecked by the GPU and therefore useless.
MrMonkeyCrumpets 1 day ago
Your tests are bottlenecked by the GPU and therefore useless.
MrMonkeyCrumpets 1 day ago
ADM better deal
pabellony 1 day ago
isnt it bad to have motherboards on like couches and stuff? o.O
oldenha 1 day ago
@oldenha The bottom of PCBs such as mother boards and PCI/PCI-X cards is just the board itself and some solder, no electronics those are all on top.
emptycorp 1 day ago
Can anyone recommend me some specs? i want to build my pc with a budget of 500-600 dollars. I can wait for IvyBridge btw
remixmasterx 2 days ago
My i7 eats bulldozers :D
Hypertraxable 2 days ago
wait so what about a i5 2400K? would it be the same result or slightly lower?
LackingExperience 2 days ago
people shouldn't forget the amd bulldozer 2nd generation that's coming out this summer
bambinosto 3 days ago
intel + nvidia ; amd +amd
Marens777 4 days ago
@Marens777 you are wronk..amd gfx was ati so with amd cpus they arent like lets say sisters...but they are the same factory but intel works great with ati/amd gfx..i have 2way cf on my sabertooth p67 btw. i have a 2500k and 2 6950...
CROMAT30 2 days ago
@CROMAT30 I also had i72600 with amd , but i upgraded the graphics card to Gtx590
Marens777 2 days ago
Keep in mind that AMD is more affordable as well. Give them time and they will become better. That and it's all personal preference as well.
leet81 5 days ago
O wow AMD Rocks Intel Boards are bad. UEFI bois for the win on AMD windows 8 well run the FX like a beast on the full 8 cores running not just the 3 cores
homelifehome 5 days ago
Its test without video card? Type vs onboard onboard?
Dcorp144 5 days ago
Do you think programs have already madethe basis of certain processors influence the performance of such?
Dcorp144 5 days ago
man you're cool! Fanboys different from intel is cursing you is not around!
Dcorp144 5 days ago
If you see the specs of both of you will understand! It is technically not so recent for comparing ... Damn! AMD has been talking for years to join this technology GPU and CPU. When you're a giant like Intel, and knows that its competitor will make you stand behind it? No! And she did WHAT! From day to night was there the i3, 5, 7, second generation!
Dcorp144 5 days ago
And also between the 6950 ATi 2 gig VS The 570 GTX i had the 6950 out perform the 570 GTX. My new 6950 also runs cooler.
homelifehome 6 days ago
@homelifehome im running on a 560 TI, my friend on a 6970, i out peform him in Futuremark ^^ Nvidia wins like always c:
Esymad 5 days ago
Ok this is a true fact the AMD 8150 in benchmarks on window 7 base is only using 3 cores vs there 8 because of the hotfixes they have been doing vs the 2500 is using 4 cores. wehn windows 8 comes out there well be the full 8 core where the bulldozer well out perform there I7 6 cores the cost to much.
homelifehome 6 days ago
Sentence nonsensical excuse is that I do not speak English.
Dcorp144 6 days ago
Lately I see that AMD is giving a lot of headaches for Intel after AMD finally started talking about GPGPU Intel chased, so we saw the birth of i3, 5, 7 second-generation ... It would be the same as a poor knight (AMD) battling a huge dragon (Intel)! Well I learned that AMD plans to release processors with frequency of manufactures 4Ghz let's see how Intel will do to get around! Oh make a fair comparison type (AMD A8-3870K) against (i5 2500K)!
Dcorp144 6 days ago
@Dcorp144 Why do you compare AMDs latest CPUs against Intels mid range CPUs?..
Why dont we compare Intels LATEST CPUs against AMDs LATEST CPUs ? U afraid of losing :(? cus you will ;) get some facts before speakin lmfao
Esymad 5 days ago
@Esymad AMD lost 400 million $ last year. The i7-3930K totally smashes AMD's latest CPU.
Helge129 5 days ago
@Helge129 i wonder why that happend..
Esymad 5 days ago
@Esymad Because Intel outperforms AMD CPUs.
Helge129 5 days ago
@Helge129
how easily people forget how amd back in the day smashed intel for years
redeemer777 5 days ago
@redeemer777 My previous PCs had an AMD Athlon 2x 5000+ (2.61ghz), and it sucks.
Also nVidia might skip the 600 series alltogether.
Helge129 5 days ago
@redeemer777 yeah maybe. they invented the first 64 bit cpu if im not mistaken. but srsly these times are over as it appears. intel has clearly reached top of mount everest first. adn it looks like this will not change for quite some time, if ever, since amd stops making normal desktop cpus. they try to focus on the fusion architectue (cpu+gpu) :)
galaxiesaver 4 days ago
What about the power consumption difference between the 8 core monster and the 4 core? I am sure the intel would save more cash over a 2 year stretch then an amd 8 core whore. power isn't dirt cheap nowadays like it was 10-15 years ago. Nice review btw, but seems like your an AMD fanboi lol.
bryaneasy 6 days ago
Intel is still cheaper to buy then AMD, just admit it fanboys ^^
Esymad 6 days ago
@Esymad That's why I am using a 2500k @ home ;) And a few Opteron series dodeca-core CPUs in my companies servers.
8Denkmeister8 6 days ago
Hey! I wanted to see Supreme Commander run at maximum with these little beauties there!
Dcorp144 1 week ago
Hey guys calm ae! Or heard that the benchmarks do not change the results for AMD! Are suspected ... Well It's impossible to deny that it is hard to see a game that does not display a logo of Intel and Nvidia showing who monopolizes much of the market ... I give thanks that AMD exists anyway as far as the intel could raise prices if there is a strong competitor?
Dcorp144 1 week ago
@Dcorp144 AMD's main income does not come from selling desktop computer parts :P
Search for "Opteron" series...
8Denkmeister8 6 days ago
I just wanna play Minecraft! jk
StraightUpGamsta 1 week ago
@BitfeNicks Try oc the new GF card up to 30% without gettint into trouble ;) And no, I am no fanboy of either company. I am using both and like both. In my current rig I took a 2500k @ 4,2Ghz. We do not only need gaming computers ;)
8Denkmeister8 1 week ago
@BitfeNicks Ignoring benchmarks? No... Just saying they are not saying anything. AMD was never bad but I seem to waste my breath. Just look into other sectors (servers, workstations). Same with ATI. While they already have a working card, nvidia is still working at an overvoltaged gk104. ANY geforce (even next gen) would not beat my oc'ed 7970. Just a fact. And: I used nVidia before.
8Denkmeister8 1 week ago
@8Denkmeister8 You OC'd a 7970, and say any next gen geforce could not beat it? I doubt any next gen ATI card could beat it. What a silly comparison to try to make ATI look better.
bdrewsy 6 days ago
@bdrewsy nVidia's last gen cards had almost the same specs like the ATI cards except that they use MUCH more power and already have a 384-bit memory interface.
Getting performance just through grilling the chip (see temps and voltages) is no alternative for me. I am neither an ATI nor an nVidia fanboy (cause actually I am using the last one for the last years) but I don't want to have a 28nm graphics card with 2x8pin or more power connectors (see EVGA 580 classified).
8Denkmeister8 6 days ago
@8Denkmeister8 You seemed to have missed the point and I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to prove in that reply either. You are trying to make ATI look better by saying an OC'd card from it will do better than a next gen NVIDIA card. The problem with that is an OC'd card from either company will generally perform better than a next gen card (at stock clock) from either company that's kinda why you OC stuff.
bdrewsy 6 days ago
@bdrewsy Huh? nVidias next gen card is ATI's current gen... It will not perform better, just look around ;) The GTX 670 Ti actually should close the gap between the 7950 and 7970 so ATI does not have such a huge time to sell their best stuff. AND it is still not sure if they will release a full bunch of 6xx cards or wait for a complete release of the 7xx series in autumn. It's a fact that nVidia buys performance with increased heat.
8Denkmeister8 5 days ago
@8Denkmeister8 nVidia's next gen cards will probably beat AMD's latest cards...like always.
Helge129 5 days ago
@Helge129
lol which amd card has nvidia beat? the 6990 nope the 6950 nope the 2 year old 5970 nope, your one dumb motherfucker. Nvidia cant even get their 600 series out on time when they do 7990 will destroy all
redeemer777 5 days ago
@redeemer777 It's called a jumping game. AMD brings out something awesome, not much later nVidia brings out something that totally owns AMD, ad infinitum.
Helge129 5 days ago
@Helge129 The 7xx most likely will. But I am still unsure about the 6xx... Remember: ATI/AMD already have sold many cards while nVidia is still working... ;) Many people will not be willing to upgrade again^^
8Denkmeister8 4 days ago
@8Denkmeister8 Many people are waiting for the Kepler GPUs, like me. I'm sticking with 2 GTX580s for now, and will get a 600 or 700 series when they are out.
Helge129 4 days ago
@Helge129 And why the hell should someone update the rig when you have two 580's successfully running (apart from the energy consumption)?
8Denkmeister8 2 days ago
@8Denkmeister8 Because I can.
Helge129 2 days ago
@8Denkmeister8 And again, that OC'd ATI card will beat out *any* next gen GPU as long as you compare them at stock clocks. That's what OC'ing a card does, makes it last longer/perform better than newer cards(stock). That's what I'm saying, ATI is not *better* than NVIDIA because your OC'd card is better than a stock clock NVIDIA card, that's a given with *any* OC'd card compared to *any* other card regardless of who made it therefore it can't be a basis for "X is better than X".
bdrewsy 5 days ago
@bdrewsy Okay, strange logic... so nVidia builds faster cards cause they use the full potencial of the cards while ATI still have air to go up? I don't care, cause I don't want to have an egg cooking 480. And why do you think every seller of ATI graphics cards already pushed the clock speeds above 75Mhz of original clock? Cause it's possible without any problems. Try that with future nVidia cards. I don't say they are worse. But be honest: What's bad about competitive?
8Denkmeister8 4 days ago
@8Denkmeister8 Who on earth are you even trying to discuss with? I never mentioned heat, never mentioned a 480 never mentioned ANYTHING aside from the fact that an old gen OC'd card will outperform a stock ATI/NVIDIA next gen card. That being such an OBVIOUS thing makes it for a pathetic thing to base "ATI is better" off of. If you want to do that then yes, bring up wattage usage and temperature. Stuff that isn't pathetic attempts to grasp at straws to try to prove a point.
bdrewsy 4 days ago
Ehm, at 1080p and these games... Your GPU is a veeeery big bottleneck... Try running at 800*600 or sth like that. Compare again. See the difference. But also use some CAD/modelling software to show the AMD's strengths. It wouldn't be fare just comparing the gaming performance^^
8Denkmeister8 1 week ago
It has a game called Supreme Commander Forged Alliance, which works a lot with processing and would like to see how one such processors behave with this game if possible of course! Thank you anything! I'm from Brazil do not speak English so try not to call the misspellings ha ha
Dcorp144 1 week ago
I get one of These cards for me man! ha ha ha! Oh! Benchmarks are not reliable ... I heard that favor intel processors!
Dcorp144 1 week ago
Hmm I don't understand why people go OMG INTEL FTW of course intel's cpu's are better but.. I mean for the price bulldozer at like 189$ 8120 vs the i5 2500k at 229$ Its not a horrible huge difference. For me they are both good cpu's personally support amd because intel would have no competition.
Originadmin 1 week ago
"Dont really think most peoples test requirements are very realistic" LOL there people who hell of alot more than you Linus who do much better more indepth reviews
murphy7801 1 week ago
If your basing this soley on performance the 3960x blows anthing AMD Made away
465fire 1 week ago
@465fire nope, the Radeon 7970 blows away the 3960x
dli7319 1 week ago
@dli7319 LOL now we have AMD gpu's versus Intel CPU's? Dont think that's fair..
fender895 1 week ago
@fender895 yep, 3960x (+$1000) vs a 7970 (~$600) really isn't fair, the intel is much more expensive
dli7319 1 week ago
@dli7319 Eh cpu vs gpu doesnt really work
murphy7801 1 week ago
@murphy7801 "GPUs Are Only Up To 14 Times Faster than CPUs” says Intel
dli7319 1 week ago
@dli7319 There is no benchmarks and /or testing programs to compare them so yer Intel may have said that on whim but simply accurately/scientifically compare them.
murphy7801 1 week ago
@dli7319 you did not mention it's true for floating point calculations only. try using your gpu for general computing. most everyday apps are not optimized to run on a gpu.
xterminator069 1 day ago
@dli7319 a 2 million dollar super computer blows any amd stuff away.
xterminator069 1 day ago
@dli7319 the 7970 is a graphics card not a cpu
465fire 1 week ago
@dli7319 u cant compare a gpu and cpu u moron
Bhav025 2 days ago
@Bhav025 then how did intel do it? you can compare their output, frequency, performance, price, heat output...what cant you compare?
dli7319 2 days ago
@dli7319 You are one ABSOLUTE IDIOT, you cannot compare a graphics card to a processor they are TWO different things completely. That's like comparing an apple to an orange. They are two different things , they work differently.
Bhav025 2 days ago
@Bhav025 you are rude, you can compare the vitamin,mass,price,calories,taste etc of oranges and apples
dli7319 2 days ago
@dli7319 Yes but they are not the same thing in the end so you cannot make an overall decision on which is the best because people will have opinions on things such as taste. With two GPUS however you can compare with every single spec and find out which is better as a fact. Sorry you failed.
Bhav025 2 days ago
@Bhav025 well how can you compare an nvidia gpu to an amd gpu? they are both processors but amd has more cores and nvidia has higher frequency yet different architecture, CPU to gpu is similar to that
dli7319 2 days ago
@dli7319 Nuff said , 5 other people have replied tellling you how a CPU is different to a GPU and u still wont get that into your thick skull
Bhav025 2 days ago
@Bhav025 I know they are different but they can do similar things for ex: physics
dli7319 2 days ago
@Bhav025 go to gpu on Wikipedia and read the stream processing section
dli7319 2 days ago
@dli7319 Yes they work differently completely , you cannot compare the physics of two parts that work for different things because they will require different specs to carry out that specific job.
Bhav025 1 day ago
@Bhav025 I'm not making an overall decision I'm just saying the the 3960x can not beat everything amd has because a 7970 is faster (did not say better overall just faster)
dli7319 2 days ago
@dli7319 Its a fucking Graphics card you moronic twat what don't YOU understand, INTEL don't make graphics cards if they did then u can compare it. And the 7970 is faster in what by the way? It works differently to a processor, YOU cannot compare the two in speed because they are two different parts carrying out two different jobs.
Bhav025 2 days ago
@dli7319 And intel has beat AMD in the processor section btw
Bhav025 2 days ago
@dli7319 you are dumb. how old are you seriously? you should go to a school and learn about how processor works before writing any more comments here. If you know processor architecture, you know you cannot compare different designs directly. each has its strengths and weaknesses. you can optimize a design to work well in certain things but not everything. PS3 cell is strong in FLOPS but it would suck as a cpu because it's a in order exercution processor just like intel atom.
xterminator069 1 day ago
@dli7319 explains output and performance scientifically. what kind of output performance? and when does frequency have any direct correlation with throughput? so you are saying we should go back to making single core processors with high frequency?
xterminator069 1 day ago
@465fire Hell, i5 2400 blows away anything AMD has out right now.
BitfeNicks 1 week ago
@BitfeNicks you mean amd cpus, amd has gpus which pwn the i5 2400
dli7319 1 week ago
@dli7319 How can you compare CPU and GPU performance?? They are two opposite items with opposite functionality.... But yes, I did mean CPUs. I thought I made that obvious enough.
BitfeNicks 1 week ago
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@BitfeNicks nvidia cuda, amd stream..."anything AMD has out right now." yep it was very obvious you were talking about cpus, my bad
dli7319 1 week ago
@BitfeNicks Nah, that's your Intel fanboy wishful thinking :)
8Denkmeister8 1 week ago
@8Denkmeister8 Yes, I am an Intel fanboy, I am also a Nvidia fanboy. Something wrong with that? Yea, the 7xxx series are beating Nvidia cards right now, but it's new gen compared to last gen. Wait until the 6xx series blows the 7xxx out of the water. And if you would take two seconds to look at benchmarks, the i5 2400 beats the FX 8150 in a slew of tests. So AMD is pretty much shit in the CPU department right now. So I'd say you are the fanboy for ignoring the benchmarks.
BitfeNicks 1 week ago
@465fire For that money (1000$), I could buy 3 FX-8150 which blow ANYTHING Intel has ever made :) I use both and like both in my job. Don't judge without having any idea what you are talking about.
8Denkmeister8 1 week ago
@8Denkmeister8 Good luck finding a motherboard with 3 am3+ sockets.
Umbra360 1 week ago
@Umbra360 Check my other comment... *_* And next time: Think before you write such shit :)
8Denkmeister8 6 days ago
@8Denkmeister8 Yea, good luck finding a Motherboard that supports 3x AM3+ Sockets, tell me when u found it in 5 years or something.. btw /facepalm on your statement AMD computers is more expensive then Intel now :) sry ^^
Esymad 6 days ago
@Esymad I did never say AMD computers are more expensive. Read correctly. And btw... Where the heck did I say I would put all of them on ONE MB? Put them in different rigs and let them operate simultaneously in a cloud at the same programm. I just did a similar thing (but with >200 connected PC's) in my company.
8Denkmeister8 6 days ago
@8Denkmeister8 hey amd fag, you're on the wrong boat. jump to the intel ship now.
xterminator069 1 day ago
@xterminator069 Hey fag, if you would have read carefully, you would already have known that I am using both companies and an i5 2500k in my system... *~* Learn to read.
8Denkmeister8 1 day ago
@8Denkmeister8 why would i waste time to read what an amd fag has to say? you are either a canadian or a very very dumb american.
xterminator069 16 hours ago
@xterminator069 Neither of them *rofl*
I am German, actually. And we should know, what's best for high quality systems ;)
And still: I am using an Intel Core i5 2500k (dude, this is made by Intel -> here's the gotcha intel on "INTEL"). I love it. And at work I am using both.
8Denkmeister8 15 hours ago
@8Denkmeister8 if you are a gay european intel fanboy, why do you bitch like an amd fag?
xterminator069 13 hours ago
@xterminator069 Okay, two things I have to admit: I am not a tenth as gay as u most likely are and second, I am neither as arrogant. Simply shut up babyface, you take this too serious... seriously. You are most likely an American guy. And well... this youtube page is much too short for all the insults that would fit you for that.
8Denkmeister8 11 hours ago
@8Denkmeister8 so you decided to jump out of the closet and admit that you're at least 1/10th gay. i say more, but have to take your words for it. second, people who think others arrogant are usually talentless themselves. third babyface american is much better than hitler youth such as yourself. nothing too short for insults unless you can't come up with any yourself.
xterminator069 10 hours ago
I need a completly new rig, never even tasted a 64 bit system lolz
Coolair69 2 weeks ago
5fps differential is not even significant LOL.
leanlifter1 2 weeks ago
lol You people who get in a huge stress over which company is "best" are so dumb. Why do you care? Company A will release the best thing since sliced bread and then company B will top that, followed by company A outdoing company B and so on and so on. If you like company A over company B, that's great and we're all happy for you but, seriously, get the fuck over it.
Terrr05 2 weeks ago 3
Ew. Stock cooling and OCZ ram.
Harkster5 2 weeks ago
everybody know that intel is better than amd
veranovakanalen123 2 weeks ago
That copy of windows 7 is not genuine ಠ_ಠ
Fatkabbz 2 weeks ago
the K on Intel is just useless because you actually dont overclock the Core clock but the Turbo of the CPU. and as i know the turbo only can be used 25 secs at maximum Clock
davidvu396 2 weeks ago
@davidvu396 Do you really know what you are talking about? NO COMENTS.
rcarkk 2 weeks ago
@davidvu396 wrong... i doubt u know what ur talking bout...
BioMoneculaR 2 weeks ago
@BioMoneculaR Yes i really do know what im talking about.
davidvu396 2 weeks ago
my I7 2600k @ 4.5 ghz scores 8.80 in cinebench 11.5. Cinebench 11.5 its based on cinema4d rendering engine. It supports hundreds of threads. How much scores a OC bulldozer?
rcarkk 2 weeks ago
@rcarkk a 2600k has 8 threads and 4 cores so it will perform a lot better than most cpus and the bulldozer says it has 8 physical cores but has a lower frequency and instead of 1 core doing 1 thing they share processes between them
findthecomputerroom6 2 weeks ago
@findthecomputerroom6 Bulldozer has 8 PHYSICAL cores. The main problem with Bulldozer architecture is the fact that it´s not based on 8 COMPLETE cores. Bulldozer has 4 modules. Each module has 2 cores. This arch is based on 1 FPU for each module. In a normal "Core i7 or Phenom II X6" way, each core has it´s own FPU. Bulldozer has only 1 FPU for 2 cores. This FPU bottleneck + huge L3 cache latencies = bad performance. Intel is resting right now wich is bad for consumers!
rcarkk 2 weeks ago 13
@rcarkk No such thing as a FPU bottleneck on a cpu. Floatpoint calculations are rarely used by the cpu.
Majorohminus 2 weeks ago
@Majorohminus Humm...CPU´s always had an FPU unit....That´s new!
rcarkk 2 weeks ago
@rcarkk its not 8 cores.... its 4 core(modules) with amd's version of hyperthreading.
cbrunnem 2 weeks ago
@cbrunnem AMD advertises it as an 8 core CPU, even that it has 4 modules, each modules has 2 cores "8 threads - 8cores" . HT on the other hand splits two threads to be processed on 1 core,"8 threads - 4 cores"
rcarkk 2 weeks ago
@cbrunnem Couldn't be more wrong.
FEAR6655 2 weeks ago
@findthecomputerroom6 And my friend. Bulldozer runs @ 3.6 ghz stock vs 3.4 ghz stock of the 2600k. Cinebench 11.5 scores 6.70 @ stock 3.4ghz with NO turbo mode. The FX-8150 @ stock 3.6 ghz scores 5.94. It´s very clear that Bulldozer it´s a weak architecture. Hope it can be improved in a near future for the best of AMD and overall consumers.
rcarkk 2 weeks ago
@rcarkk i guess the only reason to buy one would be to be able to say hey everybody i have an 8 core cpu. but if you look at it, if you pair any of them up with a 7970 or gtx 580 youre still going to have a great system. but strangely this time intel cpus are better value for money than amd, apart from the lga 2011 ones that are 500 and 1000 dollars
findthecomputerroom6 2 weeks ago
As far as multitasking and editing video or music, how does the AMD Bulldozer six cores or 8 cores handle that stuff.
cchhrriiss825 2 weeks ago
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SwedenProGaming 2 weeks ago
is the amd 8150 rilly 8 core or is it and how would compare it the mac pro 8 core
beepsbobby1 2 weeks ago
@beepsbobby1 4 real cores 4 virtual cores,google it for more detail.
Stomp204 2 weeks ago
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ok quick question....in your opinion, would it be worth my time (and money) to upgrade from my phenom II x4 to the FX-series x4 series cpu's? yes/no, why/why not? cant be bothered to go to x6 or x8 dont have the money lmao.
Kantrishikrar 2 weeks ago
in my opinion if your looking at two very similar performing cpu's like these two just buy the one with less cores! single thread speed ftw!
danthemanzizle 2 weeks ago
thank you u just answered the questioned i been searching for all morning lol AMD here i come !!!
UrmyCykey 2 weeks ago
WINDOWS NOT GENUINE ... listed now to ACTA XD
MrColdice07 2 weeks ago
don't put the MOBO on the anti static bag because it is conductive
TheGhillesuitman 2 weeks ago
@TheGhillesuitman Umm static is electricity, and anti-static mean anti electricity basically, so it is not conductive.
SGlitches 2 weeks ago
@SGlitches no the outside of the bag is conductive but the inside is not that is why it is anti static it allows the energy to be stored on the outside and not enter the inside of the bag
TheGhillesuitman 2 weeks ago
@TheGhillesuitman The entire bag is an insulator, meaning it restricts the transfer of electricity. If one side of the bag is an insulator then the other also is since being it is composed of the same materials throughout the bag. Trust me, I am a certified electrician, and we had to learn this. A conductor is a material that allows an electric charge to move through, "Hint*through," it. The bag does allow a charge to be stored in it, but being an insulator it doesn't transfer.
SGlitches 2 weeks ago
@alexisfire999 You are not getting beast performance out of 470s 580' 6870's < 5870's on quadcores other than CoreI7's. They only score around 18000k on 3dmark06 without overclock. I'm running a Q9550 OC'D 3.4Ghz - 3.8ghz, 465 GTX cuz my EVGA 470GTX died I average about the same frames u said Ive used a Sapphire card. Built a similiar 1090t rig that scored 21000in 3d06 easy around 18k vantage. You are way better off with a CoreI7/ 6core AMD -1055T. Beast video cards on weak processors is bad.
Sicj 2 weeks ago
FAILDOZER
buzz9961 2 weeks ago
Intel For the Victory !!!
cityracer214 3 weeks ago
i have 3960x...i dont care that it costed 1000$ i just wanted the best :D
skaterguy1423 3 weeks ago
@skaterguy1423 Yeah off course. Then I have connected four 3960X's with connection which you can only imagine lol.
KarolukasLT 3 weeks ago
@KarolukasLT ? wtf are you talking about?
skaterguy1423 3 weeks ago
When you overclock the FX8150 Intel can go hide in the closet
1337blox 3 weeks ago
@1337blox Anyone who buys a bulldozer cpu is an idiot. Fact.
TheUnknownsock 3 weeks ago
@TheUnknownsock like these fanboys? /watch?v=H-JxAJtFa0c
i don't want to argue with them anymore as I am happy with my i7 2600k so sad I can't afford lga 2011 and sandy bridge e.
naborghsoj08 3 weeks ago
@naborghsoj08 i7 2600k is already overkill for almost anything, picking one up from the shop tomorrow :)
JARMOPOWER 3 weeks ago
This may be a noob question. How the hell does Linus swap out different mobo platforms without reinstalling Win7?
omegax05 3 weeks ago
@omegax05 he uses the same HHD
MrMongoskalle 3 weeks ago
@omegax05 That's a good question!! I couldn't even start windows after switching Mobos myself. By then again, he's quite the guru.
jamesbondaygee 3 weeks ago
I chose the 2500 since it was cheaper than the fx-8150. The AMD CPU should have been cheaper and in line with it's performance. This is the first time I've strayed from AMD and bought new Intel gear!
jamesbondaygee 3 weeks ago
@jamesbondaygee same here my last amd rig was phenom ii x6 1090t after this bulldozer thing I'll never trust amd again
naborghsoj08 3 weeks ago
@naborghsoj08 I really enjoyed AMD in the past, as they used to have really great performance with better prices. But unfortunately they haven't been able to catch up with Intel and their price is out of line with performance. I always check Tom's Hardware before before buying some gear. This time I'll be jumping way up from the old AMD 9950 with only 4 gigs of ram to the Intel I-5 2500 with 8 gigs of Ram and a sandy bridge p67 Motherboard. Can hardly wait!
jamesbondaygee 3 weeks ago
Did anyone notice the annoying noise of the bulldozer, and the great and quality silence of the core i5?
ShackMool 3 weeks ago
@ShackMool thats just the heat sink. most gamers will replace them anyway, and it could have just been a bad mounting.
MotOrieOrigDesMedia 3 weeks ago
@mhaneline
So do you agree or disagree that in the future CPU dies will shrink to a small enough size to fit more transistors and pipelines for a GPU?
I mean, who the fuck thought 10 years ago that we'd see 64GB SD cards? 32GB microSD cards?
AMD came up with a good idea. Alas, par-for-the-course the last half-decade, they shit the bed executing it. Now it's Intel's turn.
Imagine what kind of APU they could come up with if they buy out Nvidia? They'd fucking BURY AMD/ATI.
KingmanIII 4 weeks ago
@KingmanIII APUs will only replace CPU/GPU combos if there's more money in it. Otherwise, they'll remain what they were originally designed to be; cheap solutions for corporate business users and lightweight graphic content producers.
Never forget these companies are in business to make profit, not to further technology. They'll only innovate if they feel they need to in order to maintain/obtain market share.
mhaneline 3 weeks ago
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Orexll 4 weeks ago
P67/Z68 boards aren't that much more expensive than 970/990X/990FX, on the whole. I mean, you can buy a 2500K and Z68 board for $330, total, which is roughly what it'd cost you for an FX-8120 and 990FX board.
IEatNiggersForLunch 1 month ago
"at clock speeds" who the heck used a unlocked AMD at stock speeds? 4.2ghz here and this thing is BLAZING fast, as far as it compared to my old 1090T they're somewhat close.
PhenomII1090T 1 month ago
I5 cheaper but not whole system when you add on mother board and such. I went with 8150 16 gigs of ram system for 1100. Do that with Intel set up and it would have been out of my price range. I run witcher 2 Max setting no problem. Using Gtx 560ti btw.
bmdshred77 1 month ago
The 8150 has a feature which allows you to turn off 1/2 the cores to boost the multiplier by 2 I wounder if that would help in gaming? I guess at default base speed it would give 400mhz more per a core so it would be a quad core running at 4Ghz & I guess it would max turbo at 4.6Ghz without overclocking is that right? Anyone willing to give it a try?
nerbne 1 month ago
another video showing a i5 killing the bulldozer in real world applications
letter3able 1 month ago
faildozer
buzz9961 1 month ago
I would do Intel, only if it were a bit cheaper. :S
theMKeeX 1 month ago
@theMKeeX intel i5 is cheaper than the 8150
AnonymousKev 1 month ago
i need AMD for its multitasking capability and 3Ds max and other multi-media design softwares works better with AMD FX-8150. I use my Intel i7-990x too for rendering but for some odd reason, 3Ds max lags a bit when you use it for a long time and when i have other programs open in the background. It terms of gaming, both processors are the same(for me), both amd fx-8150 and i7-990x are too much for a game.
so do all the benchmarking you want, AMD and Intel performs the same for me.
ardjin0labs0eblibadi 1 month ago
@ardjin0labs0eblibadi true that
mrbest20 1 month ago
Im running a P4 3.2 Agp system, anything is an upg