A sad, hopeless ending to a great movie. But this wasn't the end, just a temporary setback. Market Garden made such an impression on the Germans that they started to scavenge units on the Russian front to fill perceived "gaps" in their defenses on the western front. If nothing else, the operation helped the Soviets regroup for the final push to Berlin.
To those who are arguing about which country really won the war, I firmly believe it took a combined effort. (I'm American, btw), but I'll say this all day: Market Garden was a bad idea from the beginning. Stringing a tank corp along a narrow road and dropping airborne divisions right on top of two SS Panzer divisions ESPECIALLY when you know the tanks are there. Fact is, the Germans were trying to regroup for an assault on the homeland and no doubt were going to defend any and all towns along
I don't know why Monty didn't listen to the intelligence he was given by the Poles that said there was and SS Panzer Division near Arnhem. What a terrible waste of British, and Polish lives that could have been used in subsequent operations like the Scheldt estuary or the Rhine crossings. And as I learnt from a Dutch friend while I was visiting Arnhem last year, Monty blamed the Poles for the defeat because the would cross over to the other side of the river rhine. It was his fault.
everyones forgetting about the red army, they lost 25 million soldiers and 2/3 of the german army was killed by russia and 1/3 was killed by USA, Britain, France, resistance fighters and disease so really the real fighters was russia,
by the way The USA were obviously stronger than the brits, they won battle of the bulge, they beat the japs singlehandedly what more could i say got omaha at the end.
@americansrule100 The Americans did not fight the Japanese single handed, are you forgetting before America entered the war Britain had already been fighting against the Japanese in the pacific helping china and fighting for its pacific colonies?
@americansrule100 The red army lost 12-14 million men... The reason why they lost so many men is because there generals/stalin didnt give a shit about loses... They murdered there men. Look at the battle for berlin they rushed to cease the city before may first and because of they had over 400,000 dead/woulded 2,000 vech's distroyed and they faced 100,000 german's. (old and young)
The big things that led to Market Garden falling flat on its face were the fact they believed they were going to be fighting Hitler Youth, Wermarcht Remnants, and Volkstrum, they didn't expect that Waffen-SS were in Holland and the big thing that doomed the Red Devils are Arnham was that their radios weren't working preventing them from correcting the supply drop errors
@snakes3425 And teh Allies let teh better part of several divisions escape their clutches shortly before the campaign. Can't recall the islands, but Ryan's book details it: "Several units kept on appearing that had absolutely no right to exist."
@hoosieryank1967 You're thinking of the 15th Army. It is rediculous that 6 divisions managed to run from the banks of the Seine all the way the River Scheldt without the 1st CDN and the 2nd BR catching them. Monty refused to let the American 1st to cross in front of him at Brussels and Ghent. The bag at Mons could have been the entire 5th Panzer and 7th Army as well as unhinged the 15th flank or about 70,000 men. As it was we captured about 25,000 from the remnants of three corps.
the brits put up a hell of a fight but they were just partroopers wich were undersupplyed and not prepared for fighting panzers. god bless the red devils
Monty made a lot of mistakes, Market Garden being a big one. But for a scrawny old bugger, shot in the chest in WW1 as a young scrawny little guy, he did awesome in Africa. He was what thousands of Brit troops needed then, the 'other guy' being turfed by Churchill. He knew overwhelming armaments would take the jaunt out of Rommels' step, and waited for 100's of Sherman U.S. tanks. He was right. He was a brave, very gung-ho general, mistakes or not, from what I've read on the net. No Zukhov, tho
I dont think anyone can talk down on the Brits in WWII. Despite what everyone thinks the Brits, Aussies, and Pols went head to head with the German Veterans of WWI. They took the brunt of one of the biggest and most efficient military forces in this worlds history. By the time the yanks got into it, they weren't fighting the same army.
Who lost this battle ? yes the allies but who paid the ultimate price ? the germans lost , if market garden had succeeded the war would have ended in 44 and saved over 1 million german lives let alone the lives of other nations . germanys last victory on the western front cost them dearly
Bottom line is that the Axis powers bit off more than they can chew. They advanced too fast, made wrong decisions, and under-estimated technologically advances which could have and eventually spelled their doom. Hitler was a great political and inspirational speaker but a bad strategist. he had all the talent under him and listened to none with his arrogant ass. Japan too. Taking on multiple countries at the same time on multiple fronts without analyzing their enemy's potential.
Guys stop arguing and saying that America or Britain was the reason the Allies won the war, it was the combined effort of everyone that defeated the Nazis. The American Industry, the British Strategy, and the Soviet's taking on 80-90% of the German Army. Also don't forget the resistance fighters in occupied territory who fought on and gave the allies information even though their country had already been defeated.
@pgamer4life what strategy did the brits have i agree with whats else there saying but wtf if anything they had the biggest blunders in the war including operation market garden which ended the fighting capability of the airborne for the rest of the war
Poor guy...to leave thousands of your own men behind in German hands while you and the 1 man in 5 that remain are safe...hard to imgaine that CO's feelings.
@IzzyJG99 You used the wrong "it's". There is no apostrophe in that instance. "It's" is a contraction for "it is". So, basically your sentence says "Sadly England has lost it is balls".
@IzzyJG99 I wasnt aware that that was a national characteristic. Whichever country you come from it must be that everyone there is a stupid cunt judging by your ludicrous comment and idiotic generalisation. Grow up little man.
Which one the, scottish one or the english one? High ranking british/english officers often do but the working class ranks dont talk like that at all. Depending on the regiments you often find regional accents.
overall, Monty was a most able and capable field commander. his troops held him in the highest regard, as he would have tea even with common foot soldiers and ask them how they feel about things. a movie should be made about HIM.
@thebritish25 While I agree Market-Garden had many obvious flaws and I don't have enough characters to describe them all, but in all fairness how well charing straight at the German's mainline of defense gone? The Germans expected it. It might have worked, but it would have cost a lot of lives, maybe more than Market-Garden.
@thebritish25 Austria might not have been appealing because of the Alps, a natural fortress. Northern Italy it really mountainious and I don't think it fell into Allied hands until the end of the war. The Seigfried Line stretched from Netherlands to Swiss-German Border. It ended at the Lower Rhine. Even if you get through the Ardens there would still be the Seigfried Line.
@thebritish25 The first was in 1944 which allowed the US to attack Aachen. Fighting lasted from August 1944 to the Spring of 1945. Most of the major breaches were after the Battle of the Bugle where most of the German forces were greatly weaked by that defeat.
@thebritish25 people of the problem of supplies. this attack was indended to cut off the dutch ports so they would be easier to take, then allied troubles could be resupplied much easier for a push to Berlin. If they had pulled it off, i think it would have ended the war much sooner, but like Monty says, it really was 90% success in the ground they took
It FAILED! The point wasn't wasn't about 'taking ground' but finding a route into Germany that avoided the mountains in the south and the Westwall in the centre. Therefore, it failed because it didn't acheive its primary strategic objective.
@ScottTheGent the British were clearly the better soldiers in comparison to Americans. Americans were poorly trained and very young. Patton was not the great strategist. He had only large resource of human capital and equipment. Attacks in broad daylight is not exactly smart. He confuses tank battalions with Egyptian chariots.
reule britania the greatest empire known to man lol look it up you fucking yanks...jelousy gets you no where lmao...r.i.p british warriors of market garden xxx
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hey who cares about market garden lol..remember vietman american daft cunts,and u needed the british in iraq aganaistan lol you need us.only this time around again another viet nam.....defeat so fuck off u divvy cunts lol...r.i.p to all thoes british troops who perished in market garden u will never ever be forgotten...xxxxfuck u yanky ignorant bastards lol
@imachristian100 Come on man, is this really productive? First off, we Americans don't know other people telling us whats wrong with America, we do it well enough on our own. Secondly, just because is the internet doesn't mean we should have no manners. Can't we all, not just you but everyone, tried to state things with a little thought and respect to others?
@mastermike95 I have to say the British got fucked over more than we Americans. They lost the most soldiers, nearly an entire division. Most of the 101st and 82nd airborne survived and were sent into the battle of the bulge a few months later.
@mastermike95 Oh, and Americans never aknowledge the role played by Commonwealth forces in fighting the Japs, whom they fought from Jan 1942 until V-J Day. Commonwealth forces (along with Chinese) fought and defeated a Jap occupying force about 5x their size in Burma, and played key roles in campaigns such as Papua New Guinea, the liberation of Borneo etc.
Wow. Why do americans hate Monty so much?? I think you need to understand the intention of market garden (and a basic understanding of Second World war military strategy would help) in order to make a qualified comment on Monty. Which being American you most likey dont. Anway chaps, which idiot gave Monty permision for this operation?? The same idiot that relieved him of command and stole his glory as soon as he won the Battle of Normandy perhaps??
Is it just me being ignorant or was general Sosabowski one of the most blamed for failure of Market Garden because of his attitude and because he was polish/foreign?
too bad you let us down when war started and did not keep the promise first. still, you saved our arses and we sure do regret that russians and not british freed our country
@stewarthird The only horrible fact was that when the polish dropped they landed right on top of the SS, they just happened to be there and you can hear Major-General Stanisław Sosabowski (Gene Hackmen) crying, that scene nearly brings me too tears everytime I see it. "God bless Field-Marshall Montgomery".
You're not being ignorant, Indwooder. Gen. Sosabowski had no government to back him nor was he popularly known. Monty needed a scape goat and Gen. Sosabowski was the obvious choice.
And for all those putting down the Brits, it was Johnny Frost and his Brits putting up a fight for the ages at Arnhem. I'm not a fan of Monty, but I'll fight shoulder to shoulder with the Brits any day.
Personally I've never understood Ike trusting Monty to do something this dynamic following his failure to close the Falaise Gap, making Market-Garden necessary.
From what I've read Frost blamed XXX Corp. That said, to me, it is really amazing the plan which was so bad came so close to succeeding. Not only landing eight miles from the bridge, but having to continue to hold the lz's and the bridge at the same time. The single road, the fact that all the Germans had to do was blow the Nijmagen bridge. Having the Irish Guards with a rather spotty record spearhead the assault was another mistake.....
The Germans really rated the British Paras, and the selection and training of Modern elite regiments like the US Rangers is based on those of WWII British Paras and Commandos to this day.
So maybe the various American trumpet blowers should chill.
Actually for those who blame Monty, try reading up on it, a lot of failures came from the Americans, including a lot of our supply aircraft later on being shot down by German fighters, which had slipped through the cordon because a US fighter unit didn't turn up. The Americans also failed to take Nijmagen in time, which held up reinforcements meaning the British at Arnhem itself had to hold for 4 days instead of 2. A Surprise counter attack stuffed us using French Tanks too, not even German ones
Dude Monty is the head of the operation STUPID FUCKING BRIT DOG. The head can simply call it off anytime he wants. Monty was given repeated warnings and yet he commenced with it coz the fucking lousy cunt of a Brit is getting jealous of Patton's success so he tried to copy it. Funny thing is... Monty has never been known to be a bold general. He's a slow-ass calculative one-dimensional general typical of Brit generals of WW1. In short... Brit generals lack... IMAGINATION and CREATIVITY.
All in all one of the best war movies made so far about a modern [industrial] war; it mostly escapes the morale whining: One cannot whine about morale, while one is in league with Stalin against Hitler, without being determined to dispatch them both: Operation Unthinkable was not unfeasible, Winston (undertaken in 1943/44 with battle weary Germany, after Hitler and his minions were overthrown by the more sane levels of German military leadership, people like Rommel or Manstein)!
Lest one thinks that systematic murder in the name of race [Hitler] is a crime while those in the name of class [Stalin] is a heroic deed; so far to the politics and back to the movie: Sean Connery is brilliant as the cynical battle proven soldier, young Hardy Krueger (Romeo & Juliet is not a fiction) outstanding as audacious Hotspur of a general; but why is Frederick Bruckmann (The Damned by Visconti) now on the American side? And Monsieur Olivier should have quoted Shakespeare more often!
I have mixed feelings about Patton. Yeah, he was a good commander (as good as any of the Nazi generals), but the whhole "proper uniform with tie or get fined a bunch of money" crap plus his lack of sympathy for the enlisted man puts me off. Lee and Grant were as good generals wihout being the jerk he was--or insisting on a "proper" uniform to make the men feel like soldiers--they already knew they were soldiers.
Well British being a bone of contention eh?? Well now you have got your own "parliament" I am sure you won't want us "bristish" to interject and hypothetically fight your battles for you sweetheart!
Well just look at monty and how you stupid brits seem to idolize him. lols. Although its a given that brits produce stupid military commanders and win either by luck or via their allies. So dont weep.
What utter cacophonous balderdash! Nothing but spiteful Anglophobia, thinly veiled as criticism of a man and his plan that you purportedly generalise.
Americans outnumber the Brits on the western front 15-1. Brits weren't really needed in later stages of WW2. Just shut monty's stupid ass up and send him to iceland and give Patton all he needs. It's already common knowledge the Germans shudder at the name of Patton yet they laugh their asses off when hearing monty's name. Sori but results speak for themselves.
I'm in no way denying America's crucial entry in the war. Nor' am I debating Britain's waning involvement in the closing months of the war, due largely in part to Montgomery's failure in Holland. However though a fine General, the idea of Patton's name evoking fear in Germans, akin to J.K. Rowling's 'Voldemort', is frankly amusing.
My qualm was clearly with a derogatory sycophantic insult of the British as a whole.
Actually more Canadians and Brits took part in D-day than yanks.
The US had a much bigger population than the UK, and hadn't suffered as many dead. It also didn't fight WWI, in which 1 million Brits died. That'll be why more of them were involved at the end (as usual).
+ Finally, the guys who really take credit for destroying the WWII Wehrmacht were the Soviets. The Brits, Yanks, French etc. were just really buffering the spread of communism.
@mastermike95 Sure, but I'm responding to those folk who like to yell "we're the reason you don't speak German".
They don't even know what Britain sacrificed to fight these fuckers when we could have tried to strike a deal and left europe to the commies/ fascists - more men than the US from a population 1/4 the size only 20 years after losing a mill in WWI + our empire and all our money. Psychologically, we felt the pain of this into the 80s.
@00chloe004 Rubbish, Yank. Who defeated the Afrika Corps not Patten but Monty!!! Wo came up with the idea of D-Day us Brits and using fake invasion plan to trick the Germans, it was the British as we realised how many lives it saved!!!! Who trained your Rangers in WW2??? So don't act like America did everything to win it, fool!!! You foget Russia which one it nearly by itself so go and read a proper book asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!
@WICKEDMAN85 Who supplied your sorry asses? Frankly your own Prime Minister felt that the forces would've been better deployed in an invasion through Greece or Italy rather than France. And no we haven't forgotten about the Red Army, nor have Russians forgotten that it was our supplies in 1944 which enabled their attacks to gain more ground.
@g0twav You gave lots of resources but don't claim your few supplies gave the Russians there chance to win. Their T20 tank was huge advocate towards victory. You seem to forget how Britain became a huge base because we defeated German force in 1940 by ourselves!!!
Stupid asshole Monty. I can't understand why even more stupid Brits can overrate him. Market Garden is proof of his stupidity. Patton should have been given command and the brits should have fucked their own asses and shut up. Let the Americans finish the job and they can have the crumbs. Brits are overrated as a military force and even more their commanders.
haha go fuck yourself you cunt. you know jack shit lol. listen to you sayin all this shit americans are just pussy and have money and people but no brains what so ever. and also you decided to turn up at the end of world war 2 and take all the glory. so you cnat relly speka unless u started it with us soo go fuck yourself you cunt
Not really. Seeing as the results prove otherwise. But let's get this straight stupid Brit. Once the Americans were pouring in millions of troops on the western front, you damned queenies were REALLY ONLY A SIDESHOW. To keep the morale of the Brit public up. Dude seriously the Americans outnumber ur armies by as many as 20 to 1 so in all reality. British presence in WW2 on the western front is INSIGNIFICANT. And ur generals shud have stayed in their offices.
@JoartCC What a lot of shit Yank, remember who stood alone against Facism, America was the next target after Britain, Russia!!! You're Navy and Merchant Shipping would of been toast against the U-Boats. You couldn't fight Germany and Japan by yourself!!! Also who gave the U.S our morst prized techologies under Churchills orders!!!! With out Radar you people who have been badly defeated.... So don't get too over confident YANK
We had radar prior to WW2 as did all European combatants. The simple arrogance to think our Navy was helpless is pathetic. To think we couldn't fight Germany and Japan by ourselves is ignorance. 90% of our military resources were deployed to Europe while 10% was sent to the Pacific theatre. It's quite obvious that our Pacific forces were far more effective. The other fact your ignorant ass ignores is that America outproduced everybody in WW2.
@g0twav You stupid fool, Radar was Invented by the British you idiot and no it wasn't around the world before 1939. Im ignorant you think the U.S would of won by itself now thats pathetic. Yes you outproduced everybody else, but Pearl Harbour showed your weakenss and the Germans were destroying your shopping of the coast of America!!! It was the British Commandos who destroyed the dry dock at St Nazzire, which prevented the deadly German battleship Tripitz to get involved in the Atlantic!!!
Watch how polite he gets when he speaks to an American from less that 3500 SAFE miles away. Little illiterate nanny's boy come to tell us about braaaavery. HA! Hey no-growth-era-sellout. The UK is exactly what Hitler Stalin and Mussolini "hoped" for you socialist losers. Now you surrender-monkeys are utterly self-destroyed you hate the US. Back stabbing taliban coward. Your grandparents wouldn't have BOTHERED for the likes of you. Theyd send you to Hitler gift wrapped in a little red bow-tie.
what are you going on about your retard lol. thinking you know shit fucking div. surrender monkeysss haha yer alright, who have we surrendered to then you fucking cunt.... ermm no one so go fuck yourself. where you from anywayz you wetbag.
@JoartCC You're a stupid tosser!!! Our Military overrated just like at your own, It was the British Commandos and Paras were the best my a mile, trained your own Rangers,fool!!! What did the SAS and SBS do in WW2, much more damage than any U.S force, who was Hitler more scared of American or British forces????? You Yanks come late and think you won it by yourselves. Just look at Pearl Harbour a big kick your ass, which we Brits warned you idiots about but took no notice as usual!!!!
Germans feared Patton far more than Monty. Also don't get your hopes up Brit. PH was allowed to happen as a reason to draw USA into WW2 and the fact that the Pacific Fleet in a naval engagement would've been destroyed in total. So spout less you tool.
I have always wondered at the ending. You see the civilians walk off and then hear what appears to be gunfire in the background. Is that the germans killing the Brits? Or was that Brits killing themselves Or did I mishear??
The middle bit between Scotland and England. Around an hour from Edinburgh and an Hour from newcastle if you know where they are. Anyway my dad showed me film about patton called "Lust for Glory" which was brilliant and I started looking up info on him. Ok, so he was a bit crazy as well but he was one certified A grade general.
RaNNd0M. Near Galashiels or Lockerbie? I was on holiday in Scotland and my car ran out of petrol. It was Christmas 1999 and the police helped me out.. They were also dealing with the plane crash at Lockerie, and told me about the awful scenes. They have a hard job.
Im closer to galashiels then lockerbie, Galas about 15mins away and lockerbies about an hour away. Im impressed you had the nerve to visit the borders :D there is a lot of insular small town people around here who can be pretty hostile : /
RaNNd0M. Not at all! I never found anyone hostile - you see, I am not from London. :) I think that is the worst job police have to do, attending air disasters. The Scots Police told me that people were fused on to the backs of their seats from the heat. I met some New Zealand police that had to go down after the disaster at Erebus to clean up. Both groups said it was the worst job they had ever had to do.
There was only one general who thought up Market-Garden...Field Marshal Montgomery. If the resources given to M-K had been given to Patton, the war would have been over by New Year's, 1945.
The ending very well says it all about the operation. What does General Browning say.." Well as you know I've always thought we tried to go a bridge too far " obviously an opponent from the start ?
either way, anyone who fought be them German, American, English, Canadian were not cowards, people fail to see that anyone who is being shot at will be scared, and any man or woman who says they're not are either a liar or insane. People react to the stress of combat differently, some crack, some don't - fact. Every human is different, and every human's tolerances are different.
Until now, Allied veterans of Operation Market-Garden refuse to accept that the operation was a defeat. Though it was not a victory, they claim that it was "partially successful." Not a debacle.
I cannot believe Americans "ran for their lives". That is completely against their training. When my father was wounded, he was the only one left in his battallion. He thought the "Bridge too Far" movie was rubbish, as the men who were wounded were singing. He said that he was on a truck of 45 wounded, and he was the only one who didn't die. He also rubbished "the Longest Day" screaming at the German defenders to get behind the rocks. He said paratroopers in the open were all dead - period.
another thing that crete did was decimate the german airborne troops , after crete they were hardly ever used again except in tiny clandestine type operations.
the germans put in crack airborne troops and pushed the new zealand division out of the main airfield after fierce fighting and then poured in troops using their transports. once the airfield went the island was lost.
easy company of the 101st division were , lie the 82nd airborne and the british 6th and 1st airborne also crack airborne troops.
being defeated by crack troops who had air superiority has no shame to it.
My father fought at Maleme airport. He had to swim out to sea to the HMS Ajax. Any German who was a conqeuerer would consider him a coward, as you probably would. He was later badly wounded, with a large piece of shrapnel in the head and the loss of one eye, having been overrun by a column of only about 50 tanks. When he got back home, he was presented with the feathers of cowardice by young women. Easy company faced far more than this! The Americans never ever surrender. I applaud Americans.
the allied forces were thus pushed out of greece and then fought hard battles for crete which saw the med fleet decimated in battles with the luftwaffe.
to losses and it helped the axis in africa halt the eightht armies advance.
but it delayed the russian attack , consequently the germans ereached moscow when winter was in full swing.
two losses but just fighting them were crucial in the long run.
shathriel. You are correct. The allied army on Crete was also decimated. They faced a tiny force of ill trained Germans only Corps strength, and still lost. My father and four uncles took part in this battle, and never ever forgot the shame of defeat. The Americans in the Band of Brothers Easy Company at Bastogne faced the entire German army, and still won.
Decimated? Only a fraction were killed of the total force.
"tiny force of ill trained Germans only Corps strength"
Do you know anything of the battle of crete??? The allied forces fought the elite of the German military on almost equal strength and all battle hardened. 14,000 Fallschirmjäger, 10,000 German mountain troopers and above all the axis had air support 610 fighter/bombers.
"Band of Brothers Easy Company at Bastogne faced the entire German army, and still won."
Thats completely wrong. The entire 101st fought in the battle of the bulge, including the US 1st army, XXX corps and the 12th army group. In total the US had 840,000 vs 500,000 Germans. The Germans advance halted after its tanks ran out of fuel and ammo then the weather cleared and was pushed back from allied air power. The germans had no air support.
the eightht army was winning in africa but churchill intervened to try to save the greeks by splitting the army , weakening it and sending a huge part of it to help the greeks.
they were actually doing rather well but the greek fighting threatened hitlers flanks for his coming push into russia.
hitler postponed the russian invasion to take greece and crete with overwhelming forces.
the russians at this time were being pushed right back to moscow and london and many english cities were being bombed.
when japan finally drew america into the war they decimated the u.s.pacific fleet and the british task force Z was destroyed.
many battles were fought across the western pacific culminating in the battles by the remaing abda force which had 4 british ships in it being almost completely destroyed by superior japanese forces.
in 1940 the battle of britain was fought , the italians kicked off in africa and it would not be long before tha balkans were over run and russia was attacked.
in 1941 the med fleet was decimated and HMS Ark Royal went down supplying malta. whilst at the same time the atlantic fleet hunted the bismark with the loss of HMS Hood .
later in 1941 the remnants of the med fleet suffered more major losses including over 500 men on HMS Barham.
He did it to all the other allies too. Note that the British Paras there were mainly Scots. The XXX Corps were the English part. They were making cups of tea - just like in Gallipoli.
and the poor polish parras were mowed down in the air as they parrachuted down!! sosabowski was a great man he said from the start that the plan was ridiculous!
look british paras where the best airborne and still are,we held our bridge for over a week. America 101st and 82nd let us down, even with the held of XXX corps. 101st got their bridge destroyed, wasteing 36 hours of precious time, 82nd would have done the same if it have not been of a fualty bomb that germans planted.
jrm. I had a relative in the 82nd. The 82nd had a hard war. They did not just sit at home like the English did, and wait for the easy battles. The English were in change of the 82nd anyway. It was down to the English leaders. The Americans were considered heroes by the Germans.
yes i respect your relative. However we british did not sit and wait for "easy battles" as there is no such thing as an easy battle. Every battle in ww1 ww2, ect took many lifes of brave young men and women. Americans were only considerd heroes by the germans because you were soft to them. Paras did their job. American airborne let us down. Fact.
A sad, hopeless ending to a great movie. But this wasn't the end, just a temporary setback. Market Garden made such an impression on the Germans that they started to scavenge units on the Russian front to fill perceived "gaps" in their defenses on the western front. If nothing else, the operation helped the Soviets regroup for the final push to Berlin.
Lex5576 1 month ago
90% successful... B.S tell that to the 10,000 british paratroopers etc. R.I.P
TheDomtar 2 months ago
To those who are arguing about which country really won the war, I firmly believe it took a combined effort. (I'm American, btw), but I'll say this all day: Market Garden was a bad idea from the beginning. Stringing a tank corp along a narrow road and dropping airborne divisions right on top of two SS Panzer divisions ESPECIALLY when you know the tanks are there. Fact is, the Germans were trying to regroup for an assault on the homeland and no doubt were going to defend any and all towns along
666rulerofclones 2 months ago
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I don't know why Monty didn't listen to the intelligence he was given by the Poles that said there was and SS Panzer Division near Arnhem. What a terrible waste of British, and Polish lives that could have been used in subsequent operations like the Scheldt estuary or the Rhine crossings. And as I learnt from a Dutch friend while I was visiting Arnhem last year, Monty blamed the Poles for the defeat because the would cross over to the other side of the river rhine. It was his fault.
Braveheart1984 9 months ago
everyones forgetting about the red army, they lost 25 million soldiers and 2/3 of the german army was killed by russia and 1/3 was killed by USA, Britain, France, resistance fighters and disease so really the real fighters was russia,
by the way The USA were obviously stronger than the brits, they won battle of the bulge, they beat the japs singlehandedly what more could i say got omaha at the end.
americansrule100 11 months ago
@americansrule100 The Americans did not fight the Japanese single handed, are you forgetting before America entered the war Britain had already been fighting against the Japanese in the pacific helping china and fighting for its pacific colonies?
Reverbful 10 months ago
@americansrule100 The red army lost 12-14 million men... The reason why they lost so many men is because there generals/stalin didnt give a shit about loses... They murdered there men. Look at the battle for berlin they rushed to cease the city before may first and because of they had over 400,000 dead/woulded 2,000 vech's distroyed and they faced 100,000 german's. (old and young)
lopido 10 months ago
The big things that led to Market Garden falling flat on its face were the fact they believed they were going to be fighting Hitler Youth, Wermarcht Remnants, and Volkstrum, they didn't expect that Waffen-SS were in Holland and the big thing that doomed the Red Devils are Arnham was that their radios weren't working preventing them from correcting the supply drop errors
snakes3425 1 year ago
@snakes3425 And teh Allies let teh better part of several divisions escape their clutches shortly before the campaign. Can't recall the islands, but Ryan's book details it: "Several units kept on appearing that had absolutely no right to exist."
hoosieryank1967 1 year ago
@hoosieryank1967 You're thinking of the 15th Army. It is rediculous that 6 divisions managed to run from the banks of the Seine all the way the River Scheldt without the 1st CDN and the 2nd BR catching them. Monty refused to let the American 1st to cross in front of him at Brussels and Ghent. The bag at Mons could have been the entire 5th Panzer and 7th Army as well as unhinged the 15th flank or about 70,000 men. As it was we captured about 25,000 from the remnants of three corps.
SurfingTX 10 months ago
the brits put up a hell of a fight but they were just partroopers wich were undersupplyed and not prepared for fighting panzers. god bless the red devils
hammerhead4896 1 year ago
Major General Robert "Roy" Urquhart. Superb commander. Try his book "Arnhem".
StephenETavington 1 year ago
Monty made a lot of mistakes, Market Garden being a big one. But for a scrawny old bugger, shot in the chest in WW1 as a young scrawny little guy, he did awesome in Africa. He was what thousands of Brit troops needed then, the 'other guy' being turfed by Churchill. He knew overwhelming armaments would take the jaunt out of Rommels' step, and waited for 100's of Sherman U.S. tanks. He was right. He was a brave, very gung-ho general, mistakes or not, from what I've read on the net. No Zukhov, tho
fuhmeregan 1 year ago
I dont think anyone can talk down on the Brits in WWII. Despite what everyone thinks the Brits, Aussies, and Pols went head to head with the German Veterans of WWI. They took the brunt of one of the biggest and most efficient military forces in this worlds history. By the time the yanks got into it, they weren't fighting the same army.
Haladani 1 year ago
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rheinsand 1 year ago
The poles fought like tigers. Does that make them pole cats?
pageois 1 year ago
Stupid ending for a movie like that...
Perry12able 1 year ago
@Perry12able stupid was cutting off the end credits and music... sheeezz
irish89055 1 year ago
Who lost this battle ? yes the allies but who paid the ultimate price ? the germans lost , if market garden had succeeded the war would have ended in 44 and saved over 1 million german lives let alone the lives of other nations . germanys last victory on the western front cost them dearly
sosseries 1 year ago
Bottom line is that the Axis powers bit off more than they can chew. They advanced too fast, made wrong decisions, and under-estimated technologically advances which could have and eventually spelled their doom. Hitler was a great political and inspirational speaker but a bad strategist. he had all the talent under him and listened to none with his arrogant ass. Japan too. Taking on multiple countries at the same time on multiple fronts without analyzing their enemy's potential.
arodspecialist 1 year ago 2
04:34 : Some German soldiers are going towards the woundeds. What happened to them ? What happened to the British wounded and captured soldiers ?
Briselance 1 year ago
@Briselance They were sent to POW camps.
RushReamsBoyz 1 year ago
monty destroyed his own army.
hint0122 1 year ago 2
Guys stop arguing and saying that America or Britain was the reason the Allies won the war, it was the combined effort of everyone that defeated the Nazis. The American Industry, the British Strategy, and the Soviet's taking on 80-90% of the German Army. Also don't forget the resistance fighters in occupied territory who fought on and gave the allies information even though their country had already been defeated.
pgamer4life 1 year ago 8
@pgamer4life
That's a opinion I second up to 500 %. If only more Youtubers and internet users could think a bit more level-headed, like that ...
Briselance 1 year ago
the russians almost lost the war.
hint0122 1 year ago
@pgamer4life what strategy did the brits have i agree with whats else there saying but wtf if anything they had the biggest blunders in the war including operation market garden which ended the fighting capability of the airborne for the rest of the war
ahnilator123 1 year ago
@pgamer4life common wealth aswell...
TheDomtar 2 months ago
@pgamer4life Dont forget about Canada.
SpEaDzTuR 1 month ago
only cunts and pricks argue over the world wars, Remember it how it is and thats how it always will be.
MotheredANiMaL 1 year ago
fuck Monty!
cactuschris2002 1 year ago
sean connery is awesome
arm1207 1 year ago
Poor guy...to leave thousands of your own men behind in German hands while you and the 1 man in 5 that remain are safe...hard to imgaine that CO's feelings.
hoosieryank1967 1 year ago
I like this film a lot. I think R. Attenborough did a good job showing us what war does mean both to soldiers and to civillians.
The scene when the wounded paras are there sitting and singing Abide With Me is very impressive and makes always nearly cry.
BenBlauRecordings 2 years ago 2
Do people in Britain today talk and act like the British officer in this movie?
quest8899 2 years ago
Sadly England has lost it's balls.
IzzyJG99 1 year ago
@IzzyJG99 hear hear
yourmummademefat 1 year ago
@IzzyJG99 You used the wrong "it's". There is no apostrophe in that instance. "It's" is a contraction for "it is". So, basically your sentence says "Sadly England has lost it is balls".
cadge31 1 year ago
@cadge31 You must be British and quite upset about no longer being important. Move along, King Richard. Move along.
IzzyJG99 1 year ago
@IzzyJG99 I wasnt aware that that was a national characteristic. Whichever country you come from it must be that everyone there is a stupid cunt judging by your ludicrous comment and idiotic generalisation. Grow up little man.
wilsonnortheast 1 year ago
@wilsonnortheast I'm British.
IzzyJG99 1 year ago
No your not. Your a liar, you betray yourself easily.
wilsonnortheast 1 year ago
Which one the, scottish one or the english one? High ranking british/english officers often do but the working class ranks dont talk like that at all. Depending on the regiments you often find regional accents.
wilsonnortheast 1 year ago
overall, Monty was a most able and capable field commander. his troops held him in the highest regard, as he would have tea even with common foot soldiers and ask them how they feel about things. a movie should be made about HIM.
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quest8899 2 years ago
Oh Monty is the idiot not Patton the man who wanted to push straight thourght the Sigefried Line
thebritish25 2 years ago
@thebritish25 While I agree Market-Garden had many obvious flaws and I don't have enough characters to describe them all, but in all fairness how well charing straight at the German's mainline of defense gone? The Germans expected it. It might have worked, but it would have cost a lot of lives, maybe more than Market-Garden.
solodatemaru 2 years ago
@solodatemaru No my point is that Market Garden was the saner Idear
thebritish25 2 years ago
@thebritish25 I could agree with that. To Eisenhower it was probably the the more appealing of two very unactractive plans.
solodatemaru 2 years ago
@solodatemaru Agreed
But what I dont get is why did the Allies not Push thourght the Ardens forest as the Germans did in 1940
Or Push into Southern France and Austria from Italy
thebritish25 2 years ago
@thebritish25 Austria might not have been appealing because of the Alps, a natural fortress. Northern Italy it really mountainious and I don't think it fell into Allied hands until the end of the war. The Seigfried Line stretched from Netherlands to Swiss-German Border. It ended at the Lower Rhine. Even if you get through the Ardens there would still be the Seigfried Line.
solodatemaru 2 years ago
True but in the end Allied forces had to push throught the Seigfried line didnt they
thebritish25 2 years ago
@thebritish25 The first was in 1944 which allowed the US to attack Aachen. Fighting lasted from August 1944 to the Spring of 1945. Most of the major breaches were after the Battle of the Bugle where most of the German forces were greatly weaked by that defeat.
solodatemaru 2 years ago
@thebritish25 people of the problem of supplies. this attack was indended to cut off the dutch ports so they would be easier to take, then allied troubles could be resupplied much easier for a push to Berlin. If they had pulled it off, i think it would have ended the war much sooner, but like Monty says, it really was 90% success in the ground they took
ScottTheGent 1 year ago
@ScottTheGent
It FAILED! The point wasn't wasn't about 'taking ground' but finding a route into Germany that avoided the mountains in the south and the Westwall in the centre. Therefore, it failed because it didn't acheive its primary strategic objective.
Mannion3223 1 year ago
@ScottTheGent the British were clearly the better soldiers in comparison to Americans. Americans were poorly trained and very young. Patton was not the great strategist. He had only large resource of human capital and equipment. Attacks in broad daylight is not exactly smart. He confuses tank battalions with Egyptian chariots.
Americans alone were not a threat to Germany
ozeangruen 1 year ago
@ozeangruen how is that at all relevant to my comment lol? but i'm not saying i disagree :)
ScottTheGent 1 year ago
@ScottTheGent HeHe
ozeangruen 1 year ago
reule britania the greatest empire known to man lol look it up you fucking yanks...jelousy gets you no where lmao...r.i.p british warriors of market garden xxx
imachristian100 2 years ago
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hey who cares about market garden lol..remember vietman american daft cunts,and u needed the british in iraq aganaistan lol you need us.only this time around again another viet nam.....defeat so fuck off u divvy cunts lol...r.i.p to all thoes british troops who perished in market garden u will never ever be forgotten...xxxxfuck u yanky ignorant bastards lol
imachristian100 2 years ago
@imachristian100 Come on man, is this really productive? First off, we Americans don't know other people telling us whats wrong with America, we do it well enough on our own. Secondly, just because is the internet doesn't mean we should have no manners. Can't we all, not just you but everyone, tried to state things with a little thought and respect to others?
solodatemaru 2 years ago
Montys a idiot. After market garden in october he fuck used up US airborne troops whn they were suppose to be relieved.
mastermike95 2 years ago
@mastermike95 I have to say the British got fucked over more than we Americans. They lost the most soldiers, nearly an entire division. Most of the 101st and 82nd airborne survived and were sent into the battle of the bulge a few months later.
solodatemaru 2 years ago
@solodatemaru yes they did the 1st airborne got massacared
mastermike95 2 years ago
@mastermike95 Oh, and Americans never aknowledge the role played by Commonwealth forces in fighting the Japs, whom they fought from Jan 1942 until V-J Day. Commonwealth forces (along with Chinese) fought and defeated a Jap occupying force about 5x their size in Burma, and played key roles in campaigns such as Papua New Guinea, the liberation of Borneo etc.
gert83 2 years ago
@solodatemaru yes, but i dont recall any american divisions being dropped on two panzer divisions.
GUnitSeanAKAmong 1 year ago
Wow. Why do americans hate Monty so much?? I think you need to understand the intention of market garden (and a basic understanding of Second World war military strategy would help) in order to make a qualified comment on Monty. Which being American you most likey dont. Anway chaps, which idiot gave Monty permision for this operation?? The same idiot that relieved him of command and stole his glory as soon as he won the Battle of Normandy perhaps??
antilliesanimation 2 years ago
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hint0122 2 years ago
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MegaRebel100 2 years ago
Utter tosh.
antilliesanimation 2 years ago
he was a bad leader. look at how many got killed.
hint0122 2 years ago
monty was an very overrated general. patton made have said some dumb things, but he producted.
hint0122 2 years ago
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MegaRebel100 2 years ago
didnt help he was planned in a week without any information about panzers
hint0122 2 years ago
Is it just me being ignorant or was general Sosabowski one of the most blamed for failure of Market Garden because of his attitude and because he was polish/foreign?
lndwooder 2 years ago
The Poles fought like Tigers as always .
They never let us down .
stewarthird 2 years ago 26
too bad you let us down when war started and did not keep the promise first. still, you saved our arses and we sure do regret that russians and not british freed our country
lndwooder 2 years ago
@stewarthird The only horrible fact was that when the polish dropped they landed right on top of the SS, they just happened to be there and you can hear Major-General Stanisław Sosabowski (Gene Hackmen) crying, that scene nearly brings me too tears everytime I see it. "God bless Field-Marshall Montgomery".
10Cnote 6 months ago
You're not being ignorant, Indwooder. Gen. Sosabowski had no government to back him nor was he popularly known. Monty needed a scape goat and Gen. Sosabowski was the obvious choice.
WelshWebb 2 years ago
And for all those putting down the Brits, it was Johnny Frost and his Brits putting up a fight for the ages at Arnhem. I'm not a fan of Monty, but I'll fight shoulder to shoulder with the Brits any day.
maxdavid84 2 years ago 29
some here, and that's coming from a German, I have great respect for all allied nations, especially my country Canada.
holIow 2 years ago
Personally I've never understood Ike trusting Monty to do something this dynamic following his failure to close the Falaise Gap, making Market-Garden necessary.
maxdavid84 2 years ago
From what I've read Frost blamed XXX Corp. That said, to me, it is really amazing the plan which was so bad came so close to succeeding. Not only landing eight miles from the bridge, but having to continue to hold the lz's and the bridge at the same time. The single road, the fact that all the Germans had to do was blow the Nijmagen bridge. Having the Irish Guards with a rather spotty record spearhead the assault was another mistake.....
maxdavid84 2 years ago
The Germans really rated the British Paras, and the selection and training of Modern elite regiments like the US Rangers is based on those of WWII British Paras and Commandos to this day.
So maybe the various American trumpet blowers should chill.
gert83 2 years ago
German Airbourne were excellent .
However The Paras fighting record since WW2 stands alone .
stewarthird 2 years ago
Well, if that ain't a load of tripe, jboweruk.
Then who's the planner for this dumb idea of an airborn assault into Holland?
A bridge too far. You're damn right it was!
the82spartans 2 years ago
Actually for those who blame Monty, try reading up on it, a lot of failures came from the Americans, including a lot of our supply aircraft later on being shot down by German fighters, which had slipped through the cordon because a US fighter unit didn't turn up. The Americans also failed to take Nijmagen in time, which held up reinforcements meaning the British at Arnhem itself had to hold for 4 days instead of 2. A Surprise counter attack stuffed us using French Tanks too, not even German ones
jboweruk 2 years ago
Dude Monty is the head of the operation STUPID FUCKING BRIT DOG. The head can simply call it off anytime he wants. Monty was given repeated warnings and yet he commenced with it coz the fucking lousy cunt of a Brit is getting jealous of Patton's success so he tried to copy it. Funny thing is... Monty has never been known to be a bold general. He's a slow-ass calculative one-dimensional general typical of Brit generals of WW1. In short... Brit generals lack... IMAGINATION and CREATIVITY.
JoartCC 2 years ago
All in all one of the best war movies made so far about a modern [industrial] war; it mostly escapes the morale whining: One cannot whine about morale, while one is in league with Stalin against Hitler, without being determined to dispatch them both: Operation Unthinkable was not unfeasible, Winston (undertaken in 1943/44 with battle weary Germany, after Hitler and his minions were overthrown by the more sane levels of German military leadership, people like Rommel or Manstein)!
GreatGrumbledook 2 years ago
Lest one thinks that systematic murder in the name of race [Hitler] is a crime while those in the name of class [Stalin] is a heroic deed; so far to the politics and back to the movie: Sean Connery is brilliant as the cynical battle proven soldier, young Hardy Krueger (Romeo & Juliet is not a fiction) outstanding as audacious Hotspur of a general; but why is Frederick Bruckmann (The Damned by Visconti) now on the American side? And Monsieur Olivier should have quoted Shakespeare more often!
GreatGrumbledook 2 years ago
I have mixed feelings about Patton. Yeah, he was a good commander (as good as any of the Nazi generals), but the whhole "proper uniform with tie or get fined a bunch of money" crap plus his lack of sympathy for the enlisted man puts me off. Lee and Grant were as good generals wihout being the jerk he was--or insisting on a "proper" uniform to make the men feel like soldiers--they already knew they were soldiers.
hoosieryank1967 2 years ago
Well British being a bone of contention eh?? Well now you have got your own "parliament" I am sure you won't want us "bristish" to interject and hypothetically fight your battles for you sweetheart!
fegman 2 years ago
Well just look at monty and how you stupid brits seem to idolize him. lols. Although its a given that brits produce stupid military commanders and win either by luck or via their allies. So dont weep.
JoartCC 2 years ago
Absolutely no need. You brits would just be a burden seeing as how primitive ur knowledge in warfare are.
JoartCC 2 years ago
What utter cacophonous balderdash! Nothing but spiteful Anglophobia, thinly veiled as criticism of a man and his plan that you purportedly generalise.
01MarchHare 2 years ago
Americans outnumber the Brits on the western front 15-1. Brits weren't really needed in later stages of WW2. Just shut monty's stupid ass up and send him to iceland and give Patton all he needs. It's already common knowledge the Germans shudder at the name of Patton yet they laugh their asses off when hearing monty's name. Sori but results speak for themselves.
00chloe004 2 years ago
I'm in no way denying America's crucial entry in the war. Nor' am I debating Britain's waning involvement in the closing months of the war, due largely in part to Montgomery's failure in Holland. However though a fine General, the idea of Patton's name evoking fear in Germans, akin to J.K. Rowling's 'Voldemort', is frankly amusing.
My qualm was clearly with a derogatory sycophantic insult of the British as a whole.
01MarchHare 2 years ago 3
Actually more Canadians and Brits took part in D-day than yanks.
The US had a much bigger population than the UK, and hadn't suffered as many dead. It also didn't fight WWI, in which 1 million Brits died. That'll be why more of them were involved at the end (as usual).
+ Finally, the guys who really take credit for destroying the WWII Wehrmacht were the Soviets. The Brits, Yanks, French etc. were just really buffering the spread of communism.
gert83 2 years ago
@gert83 yes the canadians and brits had more guys than americans on d-day but remember we were fighting the empire of japan at the same time.
mastermike95 2 years ago
@mastermike95 Sure, but I'm responding to those folk who like to yell "we're the reason you don't speak German".
They don't even know what Britain sacrificed to fight these fuckers when we could have tried to strike a deal and left europe to the commies/ fascists - more men than the US from a population 1/4 the size only 20 years after losing a mill in WWI + our empire and all our money. Psychologically, we felt the pain of this into the 80s.
gert83 2 years ago
@00chloe004 Rubbish, Yank. Who defeated the Afrika Corps not Patten but Monty!!! Wo came up with the idea of D-Day us Brits and using fake invasion plan to trick the Germans, it was the British as we realised how many lives it saved!!!! Who trained your Rangers in WW2??? So don't act like America did everything to win it, fool!!! You foget Russia which one it nearly by itself so go and read a proper book asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!
WICKEDMAN85 1 year ago
@WICKEDMAN85 Who supplied your sorry asses? Frankly your own Prime Minister felt that the forces would've been better deployed in an invasion through Greece or Italy rather than France. And no we haven't forgotten about the Red Army, nor have Russians forgotten that it was our supplies in 1944 which enabled their attacks to gain more ground.
g0twav 1 year ago
@g0twav You gave lots of resources but don't claim your few supplies gave the Russians there chance to win. Their T20 tank was huge advocate towards victory. You seem to forget how Britain became a huge base because we defeated German force in 1940 by ourselves!!!
WICKEDMAN85 1 year ago
Stupid asshole Monty. I can't understand why even more stupid Brits can overrate him. Market Garden is proof of his stupidity. Patton should have been given command and the brits should have fucked their own asses and shut up. Let the Americans finish the job and they can have the crumbs. Brits are overrated as a military force and even more their commanders.
JoartCC 2 years ago
haha go fuck yourself you cunt. you know jack shit lol. listen to you sayin all this shit americans are just pussy and have money and people but no brains what so ever. and also you decided to turn up at the end of world war 2 and take all the glory. so you cnat relly speka unless u started it with us soo go fuck yourself you cunt
NewEraChelsea 2 years ago
Not really. Seeing as the results prove otherwise. But let's get this straight stupid Brit. Once the Americans were pouring in millions of troops on the western front, you damned queenies were REALLY ONLY A SIDESHOW. To keep the morale of the Brit public up. Dude seriously the Americans outnumber ur armies by as many as 20 to 1 so in all reality. British presence in WW2 on the western front is INSIGNIFICANT. And ur generals shud have stayed in their offices.
JoartCC 2 years ago
@JoartCC What a lot of shit Yank, remember who stood alone against Facism, America was the next target after Britain, Russia!!! You're Navy and Merchant Shipping would of been toast against the U-Boats. You couldn't fight Germany and Japan by yourself!!! Also who gave the U.S our morst prized techologies under Churchills orders!!!! With out Radar you people who have been badly defeated.... So don't get too over confident YANK
WICKEDMAN85 1 year ago
@WICKEDMAN85
We had radar prior to WW2 as did all European combatants. The simple arrogance to think our Navy was helpless is pathetic. To think we couldn't fight Germany and Japan by ourselves is ignorance. 90% of our military resources were deployed to Europe while 10% was sent to the Pacific theatre. It's quite obvious that our Pacific forces were far more effective. The other fact your ignorant ass ignores is that America outproduced everybody in WW2.
g0twav 1 year ago
@g0twav You stupid fool, Radar was Invented by the British you idiot and no it wasn't around the world before 1939. Im ignorant you think the U.S would of won by itself now thats pathetic. Yes you outproduced everybody else, but Pearl Harbour showed your weakenss and the Germans were destroying your shopping of the coast of America!!! It was the British Commandos who destroyed the dry dock at St Nazzire, which prevented the deadly German battleship Tripitz to get involved in the Atlantic!!!
WICKEDMAN85 1 year ago 2
Watch how polite he gets when he speaks to an American from less that 3500 SAFE miles away. Little illiterate nanny's boy come to tell us about braaaavery. HA! Hey no-growth-era-sellout. The UK is exactly what Hitler Stalin and Mussolini "hoped" for you socialist losers. Now you surrender-monkeys are utterly self-destroyed you hate the US. Back stabbing taliban coward. Your grandparents wouldn't have BOTHERED for the likes of you. Theyd send you to Hitler gift wrapped in a little red bow-tie.
cmovbe 2 years ago
what are you going on about your retard lol. thinking you know shit fucking div. surrender monkeysss haha yer alright, who have we surrendered to then you fucking cunt.... ermm no one so go fuck yourself. where you from anywayz you wetbag.
NewEraChelsea 2 years ago
@JoartCC You're a stupid tosser!!! Our Military overrated just like at your own, It was the British Commandos and Paras were the best my a mile, trained your own Rangers,fool!!! What did the SAS and SBS do in WW2, much more damage than any U.S force, who was Hitler more scared of American or British forces????? You Yanks come late and think you won it by yourselves. Just look at Pearl Harbour a big kick your ass, which we Brits warned you idiots about but took no notice as usual!!!!
WICKEDMAN85 1 year ago
@WICKEDMAN85
Germans feared Patton far more than Monty. Also don't get your hopes up Brit. PH was allowed to happen as a reason to draw USA into WW2 and the fact that the Pacific Fleet in a naval engagement would've been destroyed in total. So spout less you tool.
g0twav 1 year ago
I have always wondered at the ending. You see the civilians walk off and then hear what appears to be gunfire in the background. Is that the germans killing the Brits? Or was that Brits killing themselves Or did I mishear??
akravetz1 2 years ago
You misheard. It's probably wind. The para's were taken prisoner.
MMJFilms 2 years ago
i think u are hearing the noise of the wheels of the cart
loewie3007 2 years ago
And from Hitler, Hirohito, Mussolini, the IRA, Communism, Milosevic, and currently saving the Middle East from the Taliban.
kealyc 2 years ago
Patton was bloody Badass! And thats coming from a Brit , and I agree Monty was a bit of an idiot at times
RaNNd0M 2 years ago
RaNNd0M. Well said! At least there is one sensible Brit around. What part of Scotland are you from?
swanningaround 2 years ago
The middle bit between Scotland and England. Around an hour from Edinburgh and an Hour from newcastle if you know where they are. Anyway my dad showed me film about patton called "Lust for Glory" which was brilliant and I started looking up info on him. Ok, so he was a bit crazy as well but he was one certified A grade general.
RaNNd0M 2 years ago
RaNNd0M. Near Galashiels or Lockerbie? I was on holiday in Scotland and my car ran out of petrol. It was Christmas 1999 and the police helped me out.. They were also dealing with the plane crash at Lockerie, and told me about the awful scenes. They have a hard job.
swanningaround 2 years ago
Should have said Christmas 1998. I was getting confused with the 1999 New Year in Edinburgh.
swanningaround 2 years ago
Im closer to galashiels then lockerbie, Galas about 15mins away and lockerbies about an hour away. Im impressed you had the nerve to visit the borders :D there is a lot of insular small town people around here who can be pretty hostile : /
Then again I was only 6 when you were there.
RaNNd0M 2 years ago
RaNNd0M. Not at all! I never found anyone hostile - you see, I am not from London. :) I think that is the worst job police have to do, attending air disasters. The Scots Police told me that people were fused on to the backs of their seats from the heat. I met some New Zealand police that had to go down after the disaster at Erebus to clean up. Both groups said it was the worst job they had ever had to do.
swanningaround 2 years ago
There was only one general who thought up Market-Garden...Field Marshal Montgomery. If the resources given to M-K had been given to Patton, the war would have been over by New Year's, 1945.
killingamps 2 years ago
It wasn't just 30 corps' slow progress there were several reasons why Market-Garden failed.
Taylorboast4 2 years ago
Biggest Airborne Opreation in history.Many lives were lost,it was a failure.
aldrickbarber35 2 years ago
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The ending very well says it all about the operation. What does General Browning say.." Well as you know I've always thought we tried to go a bridge too far " obviously an opponent from the start ?
conquistador1958 2 years ago
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conquistador1958 2 years ago
either way, anyone who fought be them German, American, English, Canadian were not cowards, people fail to see that anyone who is being shot at will be scared, and any man or woman who says they're not are either a liar or insane. People react to the stress of combat differently, some crack, some don't - fact. Every human is different, and every human's tolerances are different.
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coalition1012 2 years ago
Until now, Allied veterans of Operation Market-Garden refuse to accept that the operation was a defeat. Though it was not a victory, they claim that it was "partially successful." Not a debacle.
Aleancelo 3 years ago 4
theres only one conclusion:
FUCK HITLER
soapsrule 3 years ago 4
believe what you like , im not wasting any more of my time conversing with you.
shathriel 3 years ago
one thing i learned long ago , you do not judge men on their nationality but by their moral values and courage.
their is far to little respect these days for all the poeple that fought for our freedoms and far to much nationalistic jingoism.
shathriel 3 years ago 7
I cannot believe Americans "ran for their lives". That is completely against their training. When my father was wounded, he was the only one left in his battallion. He thought the "Bridge too Far" movie was rubbish, as the men who were wounded were singing. He said that he was on a truck of 45 wounded, and he was the only one who didn't die. He also rubbished "the Longest Day" screaming at the German defenders to get behind the rocks. He said paratroopers in the open were all dead - period.
swanningaround 3 years ago
personally i think you have a lot of growing up to do.
americans never surrendered?
americans at times were forced to run for their lives , kasserine pass comes to mind straight away.
they were not cowards , just overwhelmed by panzers.
the same with the american divisions that surrendered at the beginning of the ardennes offensive.
shathriel 3 years ago
not a coward , not at all.
50 tanks is half a panzer division.
you say you have such high regards for a company of men who had their story told but you should watch it again.
would you call the guy who cracked at bastogne a coward , no.
the cowards stayed at home and avoided being called up to fight.
you hero worship americans and put down others which is foolish.
so many men died fighting oppression of all nationalities.
shathriel 3 years ago
very well said shathriel, he thinks that american soldiers are superior beings who come from another planet,lol
goldyn12345 3 years ago
another thing that crete did was decimate the german airborne troops , after crete they were hardly ever used again except in tiny clandestine type operations.
shathriel 3 years ago
they didnt face minor forces.
the germans had total air superiority.
the germans put in crack airborne troops and pushed the new zealand division out of the main airfield after fierce fighting and then poured in troops using their transports. once the airfield went the island was lost.
easy company of the 101st division were , lie the 82nd airborne and the british 6th and 1st airborne also crack airborne troops.
being defeated by crack troops who had air superiority has no shame to it.
shathriel 3 years ago
My father fought at Maleme airport. He had to swim out to sea to the HMS Ajax. Any German who was a conqeuerer would consider him a coward, as you probably would. He was later badly wounded, with a large piece of shrapnel in the head and the loss of one eye, having been overrun by a column of only about 50 tanks. When he got back home, he was presented with the feathers of cowardice by young women. Easy company faced far more than this! The Americans never ever surrender. I applaud Americans.
swanningaround 3 years ago
the allied forces were thus pushed out of greece and then fought hard battles for crete which saw the med fleet decimated in battles with the luftwaffe.
to losses and it helped the axis in africa halt the eightht armies advance.
but it delayed the russian attack , consequently the germans ereached moscow when winter was in full swing.
two losses but just fighting them were crucial in the long run.
shathriel 3 years ago
shathriel. You are correct. The allied army on Crete was also decimated. They faced a tiny force of ill trained Germans only Corps strength, and still lost. My father and four uncles took part in this battle, and never ever forgot the shame of defeat. The Americans in the Band of Brothers Easy Company at Bastogne faced the entire German army, and still won.
swanningaround 3 years ago
Decimated? Only a fraction were killed of the total force.
"tiny force of ill trained Germans only Corps strength"
Do you know anything of the battle of crete??? The allied forces fought the elite of the German military on almost equal strength and all battle hardened. 14,000 Fallschirmjäger, 10,000 German mountain troopers and above all the axis had air support 610 fighter/bombers.
randomusernamemygod 2 years ago
"Band of Brothers Easy Company at Bastogne faced the entire German army, and still won."
Thats completely wrong. The entire 101st fought in the battle of the bulge, including the US 1st army, XXX corps and the 12th army group. In total the US had 840,000 vs 500,000 Germans. The Germans advance halted after its tanks ran out of fuel and ammo then the weather cleared and was pushed back from allied air power. The germans had no air support.
101st fought extremely well, but not on its own.
randomusernamemygod 2 years ago
greece and crete;
the eightht army was winning in africa but churchill intervened to try to save the greeks by splitting the army , weakening it and sending a huge part of it to help the greeks.
they were actually doing rather well but the greek fighting threatened hitlers flanks for his coming push into russia.
hitler postponed the russian invasion to take greece and crete with overwhelming forces.
shathriel 3 years ago
no , you are hate filled.
the british forces were overstretched but scored a few victories.
there were bad commanders on the british side but excellent ones too
the americans with all their resouces suffered many defeats and too had bad commanders mixed in with excellent ones.
shathriel 3 years ago
i could go on and on,
a lot of english poeple died during ww2.
maybe you should stop disliking them just because they were born in england
shathriel 3 years ago
the russians at this time were being pushed right back to moscow and london and many english cities were being bombed.
when japan finally drew america into the war they decimated the u.s.pacific fleet and the british task force Z was destroyed.
many battles were fought across the western pacific culminating in the battles by the remaing abda force which had 4 british ships in it being almost completely destroyed by superior japanese forces.
HMS exeter was lost in this fighting too.
shathriel 3 years ago
in 1940 the battle of britain was fought , the italians kicked off in africa and it would not be long before tha balkans were over run and russia was attacked.
in 1941 the med fleet was decimated and HMS Ark Royal went down supplying malta. whilst at the same time the atlantic fleet hunted the bismark with the loss of HMS Hood .
later in 1941 the remnants of the med fleet suffered more major losses including over 500 men on HMS Barham.
shathriel 3 years ago
the main brunt of the war was not born by the americans.
the americans entered the war officially 2 years 3 months after the war in europe started.
in the first year of the war 1939 , just the royal navy suffered over 1000 dead and lost 2 capital ships and fought the battle of the river plate.
in the second year of the war many great battles were fought on land , in the air and sea.
just fighting the naval battles around norway cost the navy well over a 1000 dead.
shathriel 3 years ago
how very clever of monty to drop british parras on top of a ss panzer division!!
goldyn12345 3 years ago
He did it to all the other allies too. Note that the British Paras there were mainly Scots. The XXX Corps were the English part. They were making cups of tea - just like in Gallipoli.
swanningaround 3 years ago
and the poor polish parras were mowed down in the air as they parrachuted down!! sosabowski was a great man he said from the start that the plan was ridiculous!
goldyn12345 3 years ago
the english cherry picked battles , i've seen some dumb stuff on the net but that takes the buscuit.
appears to me you are an anglophobe.
many a british person lost their life in that war and yet you spit on their contributions and memory , disgraceful.
shathriel 3 years ago
Sean Connery is the man.
theherofromdoom 3 years ago
Happy to see the brits wipped. Wiped out wouldve been much better.
troyalldis 3 years ago
shh you smelly mexican
heartandsoul1988 3 years ago 2
It was niiiiiiiice to see the arrogant brits getting their just desserts. :)
troyalldis 3 years ago
yeh we won the war sooooo. and mexicans are an awful bunch of people money hungry,work shy scum
heartandsoul1988 3 years ago
Work shy, hmmmmm I wonder if that explains why so may go North to FIND work. See, you are arrogent too. I guess that is STILL normal brit behavior.
troyalldis 3 years ago
look british paras where the best airborne and still are,we held our bridge for over a week. America 101st and 82nd let us down, even with the held of XXX corps. 101st got their bridge destroyed, wasteing 36 hours of precious time, 82nd would have done the same if it have not been of a fualty bomb that germans planted.
jrmljrmljrml 3 years ago 2
jrm. I had a relative in the 82nd. The 82nd had a hard war. They did not just sit at home like the English did, and wait for the easy battles. The English were in change of the 82nd anyway. It was down to the English leaders. The Americans were considered heroes by the Germans.
swanningaround 3 years ago
yes i respect your relative. However we british did not sit and wait for "easy battles" as there is no such thing as an easy battle. Every battle in ww1 ww2, ect took many lifes of brave young men and women. Americans were only considerd heroes by the germans because you were soft to them. Paras did their job. American airborne let us down. Fact.
jrmljrmljrml 3 years ago