I see largely Indian images here. I have read and learnt a little or India, but not enough to fairly comment. I am a New Zealander, and the image of the Maori sculpture in the Marae's a little rich. One: the Marae depicted there is grand compared to the Pre-European punga huts, Two: The Maori were the most brutal cannibals and slave traders ever. Two evils the British banned. I believe Sutee was an evil the British band in India? Two sides to the story.
Imperialism had two sides to it, and almost every single culture on earth practiced it at some level (with few exceptions). I'm a New Zealander of British decent, and I'm proud of what I am and where my roots are. Africans battered other Africans, Indians other Indians Asians other Asians, Maoris other Maoris. White Men other White Men. Everyone tried to take other's land. The White Man was just the best at a bad thing. And because of the ability to win war folk think they shoudve known better.
All I can say is that thanks to my white ancestors, we came out on top of the food chain....thank you Great,great,great,great,great,great,great grandma and grand pa for your tenacity, perseverance and intellect.
Although i respect World Culture and appreciate world customs, i believe the poem does justify Imperialism. It was unfortunate that it had to be trough wars and rebellions but Westernization was what enabled the path to the future, and because of this third world countries are now developing countries. i respect and admire world cultures this is only my opinion.
Brown, Black and Yellow people did as much conquering, enslaving and exterminating as they were able to do. The Aztecs showed a prolific capacity for mass murder, conquest and cruelty that was the equal of any European power, as did the Turks who raped and murdered their way across Europe on many occasions. Still, if you refuse to accept that cruelty, greed and selfishness are "White" qualities, rather than human qualities, you can live the life of a rich European and not feel bad about it.
First of all were you there? didn't think so for a while mekon11 asians and whites were head to head in the race for world domination. Then whites created weapons of mass destruction, and crossed the finish line first. And which is why china will never truly be the single world power, not bad for a bunch of cave men. I'll tell you what if there ever is a race war. Then when it's over and blacks are in the fields being supervised by hispanics, you guys can be the IT specialists hows that buddy?
Whites created weapons of mass destruction, partially true. Asians invented firearms that were forebearers of modern weapons. I guess atomic bomb and hydrogen bomb is not on the creation from white people list since you people don't consider jews as part of your race.
As far as I'm concerned jews are white. I know the DNA is a little different but not enough to matter, It is well known by those who are willing to face the truth that asians out score whites in IQ tests, which is probably why they are better with computers and math. But intelligence is about having a good mix of IQ and common sense. Asians have IQ and no sense, Blacks have sense and no IQ. Whites have the supreme mix. If you can't understand this, I rest my case.
@mekon11 Basically, IQ tests your mental ability of quick thinking and solving complicated puzzles. However, there could be people who are shit at puzzles and are slow at calculations yet could explain to you in perfect detail and order in which the universe was created in the big bang. They could create their own equations on different matters even though it might take them longer than someone with a higher IQ. I
@mekon11 How would we? The Greeks were the firt nation to delcare themselves a democracy and the Romans a Republic. They did this without even knowing of Chinas exsistance, how exactly would whit people still be in caves?
the rail road track shows up in the series "After your Burden"
I have been waitin for someone to mention the fact that not everything in the "After your Burden" series is negative, that shows the kind of person you are...to me. If you have a question about an image feel free to ask, but nothing here is made to be racist against anybody...Its all historical facts been relayed through a collage. Am grown, so if y'all got something to say...come to my level before you say it.
Oh oops.. I screwed up it said the rail ways were "after" the burden.. but still what was wrong with after the burden? they still kept most of they're culture and identity the only thing that really changed was the military dress and influx of modern technologies.. why Is that so bad???
The poem, "White Man's Burden" Makes you wonder, who really is the Barbarian, doesn't it. Its best that the "White man" should himself look up in the mirror. He can deny the history all he wants, but facts remain the same.
No one can beat the excellent track record of this "White Man", when it comes to barbaric and worst than savage killings & terrorist acts. Spanish Inquisition, French-Anglo War, the Prussian wars, WWI & WWII, Korean War, vietnam War, Gulf War, Iraq War+.
Mr Redford, You may remember the Japanesee durning the WW2. They killed 5 million chinese. You may remeber Ruwanda, Mao China, North Korea, Iran, Sudan. Sure, white people are fucking evil. But so are the other people of the world. Since 1950 the western world has spent 300 trillion dollars on Africa and its still the poorest continent in the world. What the west need to do is to stop aid and start to trade with non-western countries. Blame the socialists!
(cont.) & had given them false pretense & "Dodgy" hopes of RULING the world together, yeah right, once they eliminate all the potential foes. So, it was extension of the German Terror, onto the Chinese with Japan being used as a partner.
All you whites love to call out foul on Rwanda, Mao & N. Korea, Sudan, etc., but it all pales in comparison
you left out the millions of americans that lost their lives in the process in all those wars, oh yea wasnt we fighting to end tryany and dictatorship, and oh yea i think we were fighting for freedom too, go back to history class 101 and ask your self was america wrong in acting , where as if we did nothing would that be right? all you "whites have been saving your pussy pasifist asses since the begining, . value your freedom thank a white man!
OK, then lets do some comparison, if you really want it that way.
What you mentioned above, WW2 is the only significant conflict. First of all, it was German initiated War, which spread to all corners of the world, so GERMANS are, indirectly responsible for the BLOOD of the innocent Chinese. Japanese (whom think they are also WHITE with diff. eyes) were the proxies of the Germans to take care of the non-whites in Asia. If the Germans had not aligned with Japanese
Japan invaded China in 1937 (That war is called Second Sino-Japanese war). Germany did actually aid China until 1938 and Sovjet did the same until 1940. Germany Invaded Polen in 1939. In september 1940, Japan, Italy and Japan signed the tripartite Pact. They agreed to split the world between them. Japan and Germany was close friends from 1909 and there were 10 000 Japaneses in Germany during WW2. In 1936 Hitler contiuned Germanys close ties with Japan and game them a honorary Aryan statues.
From 1920 and forward the Japanese had colonized surunding countries. Japan was alianted from Leauge of Naitons because of there infringing of humans rights. You may remember the Nanking massacare? The japanese killed 200 000-300 000 chinese civilians and 80 000 women were raped! Japan broke every human right in the book during WW2. In 1941 Japan decleared war against USA. Germans, Italians and Japanese saw themself as equal. The rest would bow to them.
Its to difficult to write in this small box and I need more space to have a fully argument. But my point is that evil is Universial. Imperialism is universial. Its not a "White issue". Sure, according to my former sociology teachers everything bad that happans and happen in the world is white people faults. But I have also a major in political science and European Studies.And without post-modern and post-colonial theory most people see that whites are not "very" evil. Not more evil then others
Germany didn't start the war, It was just an extension of the first.
race had very little to do with the second world war, it was about a last attempt at colonialization, imperialism and world domination (by England, Russia, Germany, USA being the high rollers...)
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"Not wanting to seem racist, woman allows herself to be held up and raped [March 2009. A woman had just left a store in Bakersfield, California, and noticed a man lurking in the parking lot. She told detectives later she was worried because the man looked like a thug, but she didn't want to seem racist"
You may have been studying it but no one was more in point when it came to the Natives of America. No ones calaender was more precised than theirs also they knew of the entire solar system set up before any one else. They were also correct in predicting future events and other events in our solar system. While you may have been studying it we excelled in it.
Really? No inventions? We invented medication that even white people today cannot figure out, we were studying stars and galaxies when you whites brought your uncivilized war culture to our land.
We were building Pyramids that you whites still cant figure out today.
and what incest loving whitey told you that? White people actually invented very little most inventions were by Asians and Jews. Whites invented wars and plagues. Yes there is a very small number of us left and I dont care. In the end we will all be gone from this planet.
even if jews invented the internet black people invented the light bulb and built almost every building in America including the white house. So if you dont like blacks go to europe.
I know eh? All these bleeding heart liberals don't appreciate the fact that white people civilized the world.... all at the minor cost of a few tens of millions of insignificant brown lives *sarcasm*
hmmm a lot of stupid white supremacists here huh? imperialism may have given modernized some nations but it shouldn't come at the cost of individuality of one's culture.
My question is why are we always protesting the White establishment? I understand that we must take a stand against the wrong doing of a government or any collective. My question is how did it get to that point? How did we allow for the White man to commit such atrocities to the different races of the world. How come no one went into Europe to stop their racism and imperialism before they exerted on the world? But most of all why do we as people of color do it to ourselves?
My opinion, it was just a simple case of survival of the fittest. Europe has been fighting wars forever and as a result, they developed some pretty superior weapons.
On the other hand, people in Africa only fought each other when it was really necessary and they didn't have the mentality that they should out gun their opponent.
Most of them thought honor and their just cause is good enough to win them the battle and it did for most. So they couldn't benefit from weapon innovations.
I think Shaka Zulu may have been an exception. He did try to modernize tactics and (by African standards) technology. Before his time, the combat was very ritualized and ceremonial.
@hardwaterbw Yes like you said this was Social Darwinism which was survival of the fittest, also a major contributor to imperialism was Geopolitics. The ideals of imperialism was to take raw material from a nation and sell goods to the people making them dependent to the mother country. Europeans had mastered the art of war and most other "developing" countries hadn't.
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Britain was beneficial for the colonial nations. India and china were backwards shithole. Any talk of them being actually decent nations is utter revisionist nonsense.
Third world countries were shitty failed states before the europeans brought them science, industry and civilization.
i blieve that the Europeans(Britain) did bring many advancements in those fields but those countries were not backward shitholes as you say. The Chinese were a advanced civilization inventing things such as paper, gun powder, and movable type printing. they alsocontributed to philosophy. the Indians also were advanced. they Excelled in field of math(devloping a decimal system and concept of zero) astronomy and philosophy. To say these places are backwards is wuts rlly backwards.
Stupid statistic. China and India have HUGE populations, in the 1600s they had an even bigger % of the total world pop than they do today. You need to look at GDP PER CAPITA to get a more accurate idea of which countries are 'richer.'
The the GDP estimates show the growth of India from 1700s to 1947, which is approx. 0%. That's the growth of India under the British rule. As soon as India became free, its mortality rate decreased rapidly with better healthcare with reducing poverty. Free India's GDP growth rate was never below 5%.
India's share of the world income fell from 22.6% in 1700s, comparable to Europe's share of 23.3%, to a low of 3.8% in 1952. That's the progress in India under British rule !
Babar was an invader, looted India just like the British. But the other Mughals made india their homeland, and the Mughlai culture (cuisine,music,architecture) became integral part of India. Mughals gave India as much as they took. But the british just looted India on a magnificent scale. If you want to know how much we still hate the British, watch our movies.
Not true, as much as we all love revisionist history. The British, like most imperialists, kept meticulous records. Between 1868 and 1930, the British 'drained' roughly one percent of India's GDP per year, as measured by the trade surplus of the economy. This is compared to the Dutch taking 7-10% per year from Indonesia.
On the other hand, the British invested 270 million pounds by 1880 in India, and as a result of their development programs 25% of India's land was irrigated
as compared to 5% under the Mughals. They created an Indian coal industry that by 1914 was producing 16 million tons/year, and was being sold on the global market rather than simply expropriated into the Empire's supply. Under the British, life expectancy increased The British were not perfect, but they weren't monsters. Heck, I can even cite my sources, something which ssanagav does not do. I'm getting this from Ferguson's "Empire", a history of the British Empire in India and Africa.
British maintained 'meticulous' records ? Dont you see the conflicts of interest there ? Reminds me of Enron or Lehman brothers, and their accounting. Infact, Naill Ferguson is a revisionist. He pioneered the so called 'counterfactual' history or 'virtual' history. Is'nt that another name for speculation ? Laughable, useful for entertainment purposes, not as a serious discipline ! Read Johann Hari.
Thank the British Empire for spreading Individualism, Representative Government, and Free Market Capitalism to every corner of the Earth and for ending the ancient institution of slavery.
Cultures compete the same way organisms do. Superior cultures like Western culture will inevitably dominate and replace more primitive cultures.
Bullshit, the british spread hatred and oppression they didnt give this so called individualism to those they violated. If they were so superior just their example would have been enough, but instead they excelled at violence and unjust systems against people of color. So stop your bullshit!
free market ? far from it. british govt. imposed high tarrifs to suppress indian textile industry in favour of manchester ! individualism ? for harassing galileo & even alan turing ? representative govt ? british queen rule in india ? worse of all, slavery ? is'nt that laughable ? you built your empires through slave trade ! slavery ended in US only in 1860s. you practised apartheid shamelessly till 1990s ! that was a domination by force & exploitation !
I never said the BE was some utopia. As for all the ills you named, compare them with the ills of the rest of the world. Slavery, racism, and tyranny were not new ideas in India or else where. In fact, it was the British Empire that ended slavery, even though the African, Arab, and Oriental rulers protested.
Yes, but only in middle ages. But, nobody carried them so 'systematically' on such a large scale, until 'modern' times ! Ending the slavery 'alone' does'nt makeup for the centuries of its sins ! Did England pay monetary reparations to all its previous colonies for its historical explotation ? The british queen shamelessly adorns 'kohinoor' diamond on her crown, stolen from India ! What a shame !
Stop using exclamation points, you just look like an idiot. Almost every nation carried out slavery and other evils during older centuries, for example the lower castes in India were basically slaves for 1000s of years BEFORE England came along. England built all of India's railroads and other infrastructure. Same thing in Africa, all the infrastructure was built with European capital.
Just the railroads, and 10-15 buildings for 250 years of taxes & tarrifs in the range of 100% ? India was the richest nation on earth under Mughals. Every nation carried out slavery in the middle ages. But, England carried it till 1860s, colonialism till 1960s, and supported apartheid till 1990s. That's the modern civilization for you !
What have you been smoking? India was not the richest nation on earth under the Mughals... Oh and the Mughals were foreign Turkish Muslim INVADERS from central asia. You need to brush up on your history. India is lucky to have been an English colony, most Indians grudging accept this fact, they are a part of the common wealth and many still respect England.
Have you read about the Opium wars in history ? The fights between Britain and China for the British smuggling of opium from British India into China and the Chinese government's efforts to enforce its drug laws erupted in conflict which eventually lead to Britain's military occupation of China. Was'nt that shameful ?
Boohoo so England attacked China to enforce the right to sell opium. China wasn't an angel either, always at war with cental asian Turkic tribes. Not to mention China was RULED BY FOREIGNERS TOO! MANCHUS ruled China for centuries! Again my point wasn't that England was an angel -- simply less evil than MOST foreign occupiers. Just look at Hong Kong, had they had a vote, they would of stayed with England.
OR to stop barbaric practices in the world. A rigid caste system, and force immolation of widows(Sati), Yep India was perfect before the Brits. "Stop Genocide in Darfur" groups require similiar reasoning. Either more advanced countries have a duty to curb uncivilized practices(thus intervening in Darfur, and thus the Brits were right to go into India) or they don't(thus Darfur can go rot, and the British were wrong for going into India.
But the white man himself set up racist systems like JIM CROW or Aparthied, Even in India the white man replaced the caste system with his own white racist caste system. He also practiced barbaric things like genocide against Native Americans, and others. So what this Bullshit about or stopping barbarisc practices in the world?? The white man himself has practice barbarity, he didnt stop a damn thing.
jfrankie. sorry to inform you that the whole cast system and hindu religion was set up by white people (brahmins) who invaded india about 3000 years ago.
sorry to inform you that your comments are based on muller's view of india.this is theory of aryan invaders settling as modern day north indians have been debunked as a european explanation of india's superior world culture.sorry no reference in any 4000 year old texts even vaguely reference any aryans otside india.rather india had been settled by indigenous groups tens of thousands of years ago.sorry.
you fool ! brits ruled from 1700s until 1947. and the world changed a lot in these 250 years ! how civilized was europe in 1700s ? witch hunts, burning heretics ! advanced ? what about the slave trade, the holocaust ? or practising the apartheid shamelessly till 1990s ?
I enjoyed the first half of the video more than the second half. This is mostly because I felt that you could have used more vivid imagery than you chose to. I'd recommend the Vietnam War, the maltreatment of aborigines in Australia, etc. as good sources for images. Nonetheless, a very good video. Also, if I may ask, what culture are you referring to that European imperialism destroyed? Are you simply referring to most non-European cultures in general or do you have a specific one in mind?
I am referring to most non-European cultures since most non-European cultures were somewhat exploited during the Imperialism/Industrial era. Back when i did this, i had all the relevant information fresh in my mind. I do agree with you, i should have used more vivid images. I realize that now.
But like I said, it was a very good video. I felt the music to be an especially good choice considering the subject matter. Also, if I may ask another question, you use the words "your burden" at the beginning of the video. Is this addressed towards all modern people of European descent, or towards their imperialist ancestors? I'm not trying to sound accusatory, but who exactly is the target of your criticism? I ask because I felt the wording to be a little ambiguous.
Definitely their ancestors, the majority of European descendants do not share the same views as their ancestors. The video is a response to the views portrayed in White Man's Burden. Which was somewhat the over arching view held by most European nations during the imperialism era. And thanks for you comment. I was expecting a lot of immature and derogatory responses for putting this up.
You'll soon get the idea Yankee. Amerikkka has now assumed the White Man's Burden, and with it comes the ever-increasing taxes to pay for your empire, and along with it the hatred of all the common people, while their politicians suck-up to your politicians, making like they love you, so they can get you to give them more money, out of your taxes. Oh my heart bleeds for you..not!
Dont See Any Of Them Cultures Achieving Any Thing? They Seemed Pretty Pointless, Ive Never Understood That Poem Cant Find No Where Which Does Explain It Help Or A Link Would Be Apreciated
They have but they are still piggybacking off European innovation.... Flight, television, the internet, radio, electricity...all first harneseed by the great East...oh wait...they weren't..get a life loser
I see largely Indian images here. I have read and learnt a little or India, but not enough to fairly comment. I am a New Zealander, and the image of the Maori sculpture in the Marae's a little rich. One: the Marae depicted there is grand compared to the Pre-European punga huts, Two: The Maori were the most brutal cannibals and slave traders ever. Two evils the British banned. I believe Sutee was an evil the British band in India? Two sides to the story.
94Colonial 2 months ago
what's the name of this song?
nodamnnickname 5 months ago
@nodamnnickname the name of the song is how to save a life
hardwaterbw 5 months ago
Imperialism had two sides to it, and almost every single culture on earth practiced it at some level (with few exceptions). I'm a New Zealander of British decent, and I'm proud of what I am and where my roots are. Africans battered other Africans, Indians other Indians Asians other Asians, Maoris other Maoris. White Men other White Men. Everyone tried to take other's land. The White Man was just the best at a bad thing. And because of the ability to win war folk think they shoudve known better.
94Colonial 7 months ago
Your very welcome
kubaniski 9 months ago
All I can say is that thanks to my white ancestors, we came out on top of the food chain....thank you Great,great,great,great,great,great,great grandma and grand pa for your tenacity, perseverance and intellect.
zoso1234 1 year ago
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You have down syndrome. This video hates white people.
Edoric85 1 year ago
Although i respect World Culture and appreciate world customs, i believe the poem does justify Imperialism. It was unfortunate that it had to be trough wars and rebellions but Westernization was what enabled the path to the future, and because of this third world countries are now developing countries. i respect and admire world cultures this is only my opinion.
cryingoutloude 1 year ago
Notice how white liberals just LOVE these non-white "cultures" yet they NEVER EVER want to live authentically in them.
BTW, these non-whites can continue in their backwardness, they obviously cannot be taught.
Northgrant 1 year ago
Brown, Black and Yellow people did as much conquering, enslaving and exterminating as they were able to do. The Aztecs showed a prolific capacity for mass murder, conquest and cruelty that was the equal of any European power, as did the Turks who raped and murdered their way across Europe on many occasions. Still, if you refuse to accept that cruelty, greed and selfishness are "White" qualities, rather than human qualities, you can live the life of a rich European and not feel bad about it.
Vot63 1 year ago
"Thanks for demolishing our culture"
Has "demolished" been given a new definition? Because most of those cultures still flourish today, they don't look very demolished to me!
glenn85uk 1 year ago
I can't take all the credit
mrbiggsbe 1 year ago
The White Man's Burden - Forever and ever!
End of story
wentberg 2 years ago
stupid whites, without asians, u guys will still be in caves by now.
mekon11 2 years ago
that makes no sense whites were out of caves and in castles long before any of them had ever seen asians so how bout going back to asia fucknut
MrSoyer555 2 years ago
Asian civilization is about 5,000 years.. white people is 3,000 years. Do the math and you guys were just building stones.
mekon11 2 years ago
First of all were you there? didn't think so for a while mekon11 asians and whites were head to head in the race for world domination. Then whites created weapons of mass destruction, and crossed the finish line first. And which is why china will never truly be the single world power, not bad for a bunch of cave men. I'll tell you what if there ever is a race war. Then when it's over and blacks are in the fields being supervised by hispanics, you guys can be the IT specialists hows that buddy?
MrSoyer555 2 years ago
Whites created weapons of mass destruction, partially true. Asians invented firearms that were forebearers of modern weapons. I guess atomic bomb and hydrogen bomb is not on the creation from white people list since you people don't consider jews as part of your race.
mekon11 2 years ago
As far as I'm concerned jews are white. I know the DNA is a little different but not enough to matter, It is well known by those who are willing to face the truth that asians out score whites in IQ tests, which is probably why they are better with computers and math. But intelligence is about having a good mix of IQ and common sense. Asians have IQ and no sense, Blacks have sense and no IQ. Whites have the supreme mix. If you can't understand this, I rest my case.
MrSoyer555 2 years ago
@MrSoyer555
So what common sense is that? Please don't make me start laughing.
mekon11 2 years ago
Again I rest my case.
MrSoyer555 2 years ago
@MrSoyer555
you didn't prove anything, but pathetic assertions.
mekon11 2 years ago
Oh and your comment on whites living in caves if it weren't for asians proves something?
MrSoyer555 2 years ago
@mekon11 Basically, IQ tests your mental ability of quick thinking and solving complicated puzzles. However, there could be people who are shit at puzzles and are slow at calculations yet could explain to you in perfect detail and order in which the universe was created in the big bang. They could create their own equations on different matters even though it might take them longer than someone with a higher IQ. I
grobo11 1 year ago
that was the most idoitic rant I ever heard
TheGreatSportsDebate 2 years ago
I iz not understandin you mista. Iz you sayin dat us black people iz dee smahtest?
HardBodyNyC 2 years ago
Well making atom bombs and stuff takes chemistry and intellect. So that would make since that the jews and whites did it... im just saying
dadecountyhustler305 2 years ago
@mekon11 How would we? The Greeks were the firt nation to delcare themselves a democracy and the Romans a Republic. They did this without even knowing of Chinas exsistance, how exactly would whit people still be in caves?
grobo11 1 year ago
@mekon11 How so? wasn't whites that brought modernization to Asia?
zoso1234 1 year ago
I love how they show the pictures of the rail roads and such as "before we took up our burden" the creator of this post is a moron!
Heineken57sauce 2 years ago
the rail road track shows up in the series "After your Burden"
I have been waitin for someone to mention the fact that not everything in the "After your Burden" series is negative, that shows the kind of person you are...to me. If you have a question about an image feel free to ask, but nothing here is made to be racist against anybody...Its all historical facts been relayed through a collage. Am grown, so if y'all got something to say...come to my level before you say it.
charleschike 2 years ago
Oh oops.. I screwed up it said the rail ways were "after" the burden.. but still what was wrong with after the burden? they still kept most of they're culture and identity the only thing that really changed was the military dress and influx of modern technologies.. why Is that so bad???
Heineken57sauce 2 years ago
if the blacks and all the tribal countries 300 years ago wouldnt have been backwards, there wouldnt be this problem
we whites created medicines law, government, economy and where were the blacks then? Dancin round fires
TomLyon95 2 years ago
True blacks like to kid themselves into to thinking Africa was some "grand empire" or something, but the truth couldn't be further off....
dadecountyhustler305 2 years ago
How is this a white mans burden u prick
I bet ur a black sympathist
Im not racist, my cusins black but fuck me think of all of the dodgy things non whites do and we all have to suffer
blacks gets pissed off wit u callin dem niggas, but it only works one way
a black man cant b racist to a white man, nooooo, thats impossible, what about the afghanis, what about all those repressive muslim bombers EVIL
This video is rubbish im 14 and im startin to get pissed off with the british government
TomLyon95 2 years ago
All of these non-Whites are jealous of our White accomplsihments. They can't contain their envy even though envy is a sin.
Northgrant 2 years ago
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datzburier 2 years ago
I appreciate your insight datzburier
hardwaterbw 2 years ago
Thank you,
The poem, "White Man's Burden" Makes you wonder, who really is the Barbarian, doesn't it. Its best that the "White man" should himself look up in the mirror. He can deny the history all he wants, but facts remain the same.
No one can beat the excellent track record of this "White Man", when it comes to barbaric and worst than savage killings & terrorist acts. Spanish Inquisition, French-Anglo War, the Prussian wars, WWI & WWII, Korean War, vietnam War, Gulf War, Iraq War+.
redfordrn 2 years ago
Mr Redford, You may remember the Japanesee durning the WW2. They killed 5 million chinese. You may remeber Ruwanda, Mao China, North Korea, Iran, Sudan. Sure, white people are fucking evil. But so are the other people of the world. Since 1950 the western world has spent 300 trillion dollars on Africa and its still the poorest continent in the world. What the west need to do is to stop aid and start to trade with non-western countries. Blame the socialists!
FreeDogdylan 2 years ago 5
(cont.) & had given them false pretense & "Dodgy" hopes of RULING the world together, yeah right, once they eliminate all the potential foes. So, it was extension of the German Terror, onto the Chinese with Japan being used as a partner.
All you whites love to call out foul on Rwanda, Mao & N. Korea, Sudan, etc., but it all pales in comparison
White Man's TERRORISM
WWI = 15Million
WWII = 60Million
Koreas= 3M
Vietnam= 3M
Iraq+ = 3+ M
Afghanistan+ = 10+ M (inc. Soviets & US)
redfordrn 2 years ago
you left out the millions of americans that lost their lives in the process in all those wars, oh yea wasnt we fighting to end tryany and dictatorship, and oh yea i think we were fighting for freedom too, go back to history class 101 and ask your self was america wrong in acting , where as if we did nothing would that be right? all you "whites have been saving your pussy pasifist asses since the begining, . value your freedom thank a white man!
casing77 2 years ago
@FreeDogdylan,
OK, then lets do some comparison, if you really want it that way.
What you mentioned above, WW2 is the only significant conflict. First of all, it was German initiated War, which spread to all corners of the world, so GERMANS are, indirectly responsible for the BLOOD of the innocent Chinese. Japanese (whom think they are also WHITE with diff. eyes) were the proxies of the Germans to take care of the non-whites in Asia. If the Germans had not aligned with Japanese
redfordrn 2 years ago
Japan invaded China in 1937 (That war is called Second Sino-Japanese war). Germany did actually aid China until 1938 and Sovjet did the same until 1940. Germany Invaded Polen in 1939. In september 1940, Japan, Italy and Japan signed the tripartite Pact. They agreed to split the world between them. Japan and Germany was close friends from 1909 and there were 10 000 Japaneses in Germany during WW2. In 1936 Hitler contiuned Germanys close ties with Japan and game them a honorary Aryan statues.
FreeDogdylan 2 years ago
From 1920 and forward the Japanese had colonized surunding countries. Japan was alianted from Leauge of Naitons because of there infringing of humans rights. You may remember the Nanking massacare? The japanese killed 200 000-300 000 chinese civilians and 80 000 women were raped! Japan broke every human right in the book during WW2. In 1941 Japan decleared war against USA. Germans, Italians and Japanese saw themself as equal. The rest would bow to them.
FreeDogdylan 2 years ago
Its to difficult to write in this small box and I need more space to have a fully argument. But my point is that evil is Universial. Imperialism is universial. Its not a "White issue". Sure, according to my former sociology teachers everything bad that happans and happen in the world is white people faults. But I have also a major in political science and European Studies.And without post-modern and post-colonial theory most people see that whites are not "very" evil. Not more evil then others
FreeDogdylan 2 years ago
... that is some racist bullshit...
way to fight with intolerance...
Germany didn't start the war, It was just an extension of the first.
race had very little to do with the second world war, it was about a last attempt at colonialization, imperialism and world domination (by England, Russia, Germany, USA being the high rollers...)
Rolheider 2 years ago
Death penalty sought for black accused of murdering white co-ed [August 12, 2008]
In St. Louis, roving "wilding" gangs of up to 100 blacks attacking people at train stations [August 11, 2008]
Mob of black savages in Brooklyn beats three white men with bats when they try to rescue girl [August 11, 2008]
At least they weren't killed [August 4: British couple tell of being attacked, the man severely beaten, the woman raped, in their Caribeean villa.]
smoochym 2 years ago
Mirror reports Antigua victims were "tortured" [Jul 30, 2008]
smoochym 2 years ago
Wilding in Charleston, October 1999 [July 21, 2008. White man bicycling through black neighborhood, knocked down by black mob, beaten about the head until brain damaged.]
smoochym 2 years ago
"Another black on white murder in London [June 2008. 16 year old Ben Kinsella, celebrating with friends in a pub at 2 a.m. after exams, was chased down by a gang of blacks and stabbed to death.]"
smoochym 2 years ago
I wonder what shit he was talking to make them kill his ass.
Anna001007009 2 years ago
"In fact, he was later walking away from the bar, away from the trouble, when Braithwaite and his co-defendants randomly attacked him.
Trapped between two parked vehicles the group beat him and then repeatedly stabbed him.
He later died in hospital."
smoochym 2 years ago
"Not wanting to seem racist, woman allows herself to be held up and raped [March 2009. A woman had just left a store in Bakersfield, California, and noticed a man lurking in the parking lot. She told detectives later she was worried because the man looked like a thug, but she didn't want to seem racist"
smoochym 2 years ago
that bitch was retarded, is what she was.
Anna001007009 2 years ago
White mans burden indeed.
smoochym 2 years ago
@hardwaterbw That is probably the most educated argument and completely correct. I never thought of it in such a way.
hs41982 1 year ago
we also invented Observatories dealing with time and space were so good the Europeans had also copied this system.
scttscoodoo 2 years ago
The mayans had a writing system and math building.
scttscoodoo 2 years ago 3
You may have been studying it but no one was more in point when it came to the Natives of America. No ones calaender was more precised than theirs also they knew of the entire solar system set up before any one else. They were also correct in predicting future events and other events in our solar system. While you may have been studying it we excelled in it.
scttscoodoo 2 years ago
Really? No inventions? We invented medication that even white people today cannot figure out, we were studying stars and galaxies when you whites brought your uncivilized war culture to our land.
We were building Pyramids that you whites still cant figure out today.
scttscoodoo 2 years ago
and what incest loving whitey told you that? White people actually invented very little most inventions were by Asians and Jews. Whites invented wars and plagues. Yes there is a very small number of us left and I dont care. In the end we will all be gone from this planet.
my people only left faster.
scttscoodoo 2 years ago 2
even if jews invented the internet black people invented the light bulb and built almost every building in America including the white house. So if you dont like blacks go to europe.
scttscoodoo 2 years ago 2
The internet was a jew invention. Not a white mans. White man only invented destruction and trailer parks.
scttscoodoo 2 years ago
Putting some nice happy pictures followed by nasty ones realy proves a point. You could do the exact same thing it in reverse, it proves nothing.
samsoniite 2 years ago
Yeah, those evil Whites and their evil colonialism? Am I right? *Sarcasm*
ExiledAtlantean 2 years ago
I know eh? All these bleeding heart liberals don't appreciate the fact that white people civilized the world.... all at the minor cost of a few tens of millions of insignificant brown lives *sarcasm*
bluequiltedness 2 years ago
You didint civilize the world. It was already civilized white people ended up destroying it.
scttscoodoo 2 years ago
yea those whites and their evil colonialism? *Not Sarcasm*
charleschike 2 years ago
the white man's burden is bullshit
amhur 3 years ago
you cannot compare one zeitgeist to another.
later generations will condem our age of globalisation as well. it's human nature.
prilstrudel 3 years ago
hmmm a lot of stupid white supremacists here huh? imperialism may have given modernized some nations but it shouldn't come at the cost of individuality of one's culture.
theodyssey12 3 years ago
it's not just what we do unto others,it's what others do unto themselves
neapsandsprings 3 years ago 2
My question is why are we always protesting the White establishment? I understand that we must take a stand against the wrong doing of a government or any collective. My question is how did it get to that point? How did we allow for the White man to commit such atrocities to the different races of the world. How come no one went into Europe to stop their racism and imperialism before they exerted on the world? But most of all why do we as people of color do it to ourselves?
u2hubbard 3 years ago
hope, faith and charity has fucked us up
neapsandsprings 3 years ago 2
My opinion, it was just a simple case of survival of the fittest. Europe has been fighting wars forever and as a result, they developed some pretty superior weapons.
On the other hand, people in Africa only fought each other when it was really necessary and they didn't have the mentality that they should out gun their opponent.
Most of them thought honor and their just cause is good enough to win them the battle and it did for most. So they couldn't benefit from weapon innovations.
hardwaterbw 2 years ago
I think Shaka Zulu may have been an exception. He did try to modernize tactics and (by African standards) technology. Before his time, the combat was very ritualized and ceremonial.
bluequiltedness 2 years ago
@hardwaterbw Yes like you said this was Social Darwinism which was survival of the fittest, also a major contributor to imperialism was Geopolitics. The ideals of imperialism was to take raw material from a nation and sell goods to the people making them dependent to the mother country. Europeans had mastered the art of war and most other "developing" countries hadn't.
cryingoutloude 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Britain was beneficial for the colonial nations. India and china were backwards shithole. Any talk of them being actually decent nations is utter revisionist nonsense.
Third world countries were shitty failed states before the europeans brought them science, industry and civilization.
TheTerminator97 3 years ago
Terminator97:
i blieve that the Europeans(Britain) did bring many advancements in those fields but those countries were not backward shitholes as you say. The Chinese were a advanced civilization inventing things such as paper, gun powder, and movable type printing. they alsocontributed to philosophy. the Indians also were advanced. they Excelled in field of math(devloping a decimal system and concept of zero) astronomy and philosophy. To say these places are backwards is wuts rlly backwards.
kingBrad4evr 2 years ago 2
Refer in Wiki about the List of countries by past GDP.
Ming China & Mughal India were the richest nations on earth in 1600s until the pest called the British infested India, and China.
ssanagav 3 years ago
Stupid statistic. China and India have HUGE populations, in the 1600s they had an even bigger % of the total world pop than they do today. You need to look at GDP PER CAPITA to get a more accurate idea of which countries are 'richer.'
lordaltay5 3 years ago
The the GDP estimates show the growth of India from 1700s to 1947, which is approx. 0%. That's the growth of India under the British rule. As soon as India became free, its mortality rate decreased rapidly with better healthcare with reducing poverty. Free India's GDP growth rate was never below 5%.
ssanagav 3 years ago
India's share of the world income fell from 22.6% in 1700s, comparable to Europe's share of 23.3%, to a low of 3.8% in 1952. That's the progress in India under British rule !
ssanagav 3 years ago
Babar was an invader, looted India just like the British. But the other Mughals made india their homeland, and the Mughlai culture (cuisine,music,architecture) became integral part of India. Mughals gave India as much as they took. But the british just looted India on a magnificent scale. If you want to know how much we still hate the British, watch our movies.
ssanagav 3 years ago
Not true, as much as we all love revisionist history. The British, like most imperialists, kept meticulous records. Between 1868 and 1930, the British 'drained' roughly one percent of India's GDP per year, as measured by the trade surplus of the economy. This is compared to the Dutch taking 7-10% per year from Indonesia.
On the other hand, the British invested 270 million pounds by 1880 in India, and as a result of their development programs 25% of India's land was irrigated
gurguvungunit 3 years ago
as compared to 5% under the Mughals. They created an Indian coal industry that by 1914 was producing 16 million tons/year, and was being sold on the global market rather than simply expropriated into the Empire's supply. Under the British, life expectancy increased The British were not perfect, but they weren't monsters. Heck, I can even cite my sources, something which ssanagav does not do. I'm getting this from Ferguson's "Empire", a history of the British Empire in India and Africa.
gurguvungunit 3 years ago
British maintained 'meticulous' records ? Dont you see the conflicts of interest there ? Reminds me of Enron or Lehman brothers, and their accounting. Infact, Naill Ferguson is a revisionist. He pioneered the so called 'counterfactual' history or 'virtual' history. Is'nt that another name for speculation ? Laughable, useful for entertainment purposes, not as a serious discipline ! Read Johann Hari.
ssanagav 3 years ago
love how everyone but indian experts/anthropologists are experts on india.
bmaj7 3 years ago
I totally agree with your sarcism. I'm mexican/american, and I feel the same way you do.
dirtyjett 3 years ago
Thank the British Empire for spreading Individualism, Representative Government, and Free Market Capitalism to every corner of the Earth and for ending the ancient institution of slavery.
Cultures compete the same way organisms do. Superior cultures like Western culture will inevitably dominate and replace more primitive cultures.
lordaltay5 3 years ago
Bullshit, the british spread hatred and oppression they didnt give this so called individualism to those they violated. If they were so superior just their example would have been enough, but instead they excelled at violence and unjust systems against people of color. So stop your bullshit!
AfroBoriquen 3 years ago
free market ? far from it. british govt. imposed high tarrifs to suppress indian textile industry in favour of manchester ! individualism ? for harassing galileo & even alan turing ? representative govt ? british queen rule in india ? worse of all, slavery ? is'nt that laughable ? you built your empires through slave trade ! slavery ended in US only in 1860s. you practised apartheid shamelessly till 1990s ! that was a domination by force & exploitation !
ssanagav 3 years ago
I never said the BE was some utopia. As for all the ills you named, compare them with the ills of the rest of the world. Slavery, racism, and tyranny were not new ideas in India or else where. In fact, it was the British Empire that ended slavery, even though the African, Arab, and Oriental rulers protested.
lordaltay5 3 years ago
Yes, but only in middle ages. But, nobody carried them so 'systematically' on such a large scale, until 'modern' times ! Ending the slavery 'alone' does'nt makeup for the centuries of its sins ! Did England pay monetary reparations to all its previous colonies for its historical explotation ? The british queen shamelessly adorns 'kohinoor' diamond on her crown, stolen from India ! What a shame !
ssanagav 3 years ago
Stop using exclamation points, you just look like an idiot. Almost every nation carried out slavery and other evils during older centuries, for example the lower castes in India were basically slaves for 1000s of years BEFORE England came along. England built all of India's railroads and other infrastructure. Same thing in Africa, all the infrastructure was built with European capital.
lordaltay5 3 years ago
Just the railroads, and 10-15 buildings for 250 years of taxes & tarrifs in the range of 100% ? India was the richest nation on earth under Mughals. Every nation carried out slavery in the middle ages. But, England carried it till 1860s, colonialism till 1960s, and supported apartheid till 1990s. That's the modern civilization for you !
ssanagav 3 years ago
What have you been smoking? India was not the richest nation on earth under the Mughals... Oh and the Mughals were foreign Turkish Muslim INVADERS from central asia. You need to brush up on your history. India is lucky to have been an English colony, most Indians grudging accept this fact, they are a part of the common wealth and many still respect England.
lordaltay5 3 years ago
Have you read about the Opium wars in history ? The fights between Britain and China for the British smuggling of opium from British India into China and the Chinese government's efforts to enforce its drug laws erupted in conflict which eventually lead to Britain's military occupation of China. Was'nt that shameful ?
ssanagav 3 years ago
Boohoo so England attacked China to enforce the right to sell opium. China wasn't an angel either, always at war with cental asian Turkic tribes. Not to mention China was RULED BY FOREIGNERS TOO! MANCHUS ruled China for centuries! Again my point wasn't that England was an angel -- simply less evil than MOST foreign occupiers. Just look at Hong Kong, had they had a vote, they would of stayed with England.
lordaltay5 3 years ago
You think that was out of love for that 'great ' nation ? Just to share the loot ! Ha ha !
ssanagav 3 years ago
Refer in Wiki about the List of countries by past GDP.
Ming China & Mughal India were the richest nations on earth in 1600s until the pest called the British infested India, and China.
ssanagav 3 years ago
the white man's burden was just an excuse for greed
tico8007 3 years ago
OR to stop barbaric practices in the world. A rigid caste system, and force immolation of widows(Sati), Yep India was perfect before the Brits. "Stop Genocide in Darfur" groups require similiar reasoning. Either more advanced countries have a duty to curb uncivilized practices(thus intervening in Darfur, and thus the Brits were right to go into India) or they don't(thus Darfur can go rot, and the British were wrong for going into India.
Jfrankie 3 years ago 3
But the white man himself set up racist systems like JIM CROW or Aparthied, Even in India the white man replaced the caste system with his own white racist caste system. He also practiced barbaric things like genocide against Native Americans, and others. So what this Bullshit about or stopping barbarisc practices in the world?? The white man himself has practice barbarity, he didnt stop a damn thing.
AfroBoriquen 3 years ago
jfrankie. sorry to inform you that the whole cast system and hindu religion was set up by white people (brahmins) who invaded india about 3000 years ago.
rizwank1 3 years ago
sorry to inform you that your comments are based on muller's view of india.this is theory of aryan invaders settling as modern day north indians have been debunked as a european explanation of india's superior world culture.sorry no reference in any 4000 year old texts even vaguely reference any aryans otside india.rather india had been settled by indigenous groups tens of thousands of years ago.sorry.
bmaj7 3 years ago
you fool ! brits ruled from 1700s until 1947. and the world changed a lot in these 250 years ! how civilized was europe in 1700s ? witch hunts, burning heretics ! advanced ? what about the slave trade, the holocaust ? or practising the apartheid shamelessly till 1990s ?
ssanagav 3 years ago
if u ever get the time, i think you could re-make the video with more/better images and maybe some captions...
jojozemonkey 3 years ago
Yea i thought about that too, and i think i will do that. I will need to do a little more reading on the subject again.
hardwaterbw 3 years ago
I enjoyed the first half of the video more than the second half. This is mostly because I felt that you could have used more vivid imagery than you chose to. I'd recommend the Vietnam War, the maltreatment of aborigines in Australia, etc. as good sources for images. Nonetheless, a very good video. Also, if I may ask, what culture are you referring to that European imperialism destroyed? Are you simply referring to most non-European cultures in general or do you have a specific one in mind?
sprungtil 4 years ago
I am referring to most non-European cultures since most non-European cultures were somewhat exploited during the Imperialism/Industrial era. Back when i did this, i had all the relevant information fresh in my mind. I do agree with you, i should have used more vivid images. I realize that now.
hardwaterbw 4 years ago
But like I said, it was a very good video. I felt the music to be an especially good choice considering the subject matter. Also, if I may ask another question, you use the words "your burden" at the beginning of the video. Is this addressed towards all modern people of European descent, or towards their imperialist ancestors? I'm not trying to sound accusatory, but who exactly is the target of your criticism? I ask because I felt the wording to be a little ambiguous.
sprungtil 4 years ago
Definitely their ancestors, the majority of European descendants do not share the same views as their ancestors. The video is a response to the views portrayed in White Man's Burden. Which was somewhat the over arching view held by most European nations during the imperialism era. And thanks for you comment. I was expecting a lot of immature and derogatory responses for putting this up.
hardwaterbw 4 years ago
lovely video, you would like a video my sister made. It's called Mad World by Holly Foster :)
lilprince585 4 years ago
Good vid, can you put some captions for the pictures, or post a description of some under "About This Video" please?
thisislizz 4 years ago
good idea, i should have used captions to explain the images.
hardwaterbw 4 years ago
You'll soon get the idea Yankee. Amerikkka has now assumed the White Man's Burden, and with it comes the ever-increasing taxes to pay for your empire, and along with it the hatred of all the common people, while their politicians suck-up to your politicians, making like they love you, so they can get you to give them more money, out of your taxes. Oh my heart bleeds for you..not!
LordCerneAbbas 4 years ago
thanks for demolishing your culture?
No problem mate id do it again in a heartbeat,this video is probably more racist than you think.
shimshamtothemax 4 years ago
Dont See Any Of Them Cultures Achieving Any Thing? They Seemed Pretty Pointless, Ive Never Understood That Poem Cant Find No Where Which Does Explain It Help Or A Link Would Be Apreciated
timdoh317 4 years ago
You don't think Indian or Chinese culture achieved anything? Wow.....Ignorance is bliss huh?
shedtic 4 years ago
They have but they are still piggybacking off European innovation.... Flight, television, the internet, radio, electricity...all first harneseed by the great East...oh wait...they weren't..get a life loser
eamon12345678910 4 years ago
Calm down mate. There were far more achievements than that, most of which led to so called European innovation.
shedtic 4 years ago