I look forward to your dictionaray! Also, dreaming of the day when there will be a kids' show teaching ASL phonics and reading along the lines of "The Electric Company" or "Sesame Street." As for indicating a person or thing by eye gaze alone, perhaps something akin to special punctualtion marks? As a question mark is used in English, or ... to show a pause.
@CapriUni I didn't include eye gaze in my writing, although it probably is something that would also need inclusion. Thanks for the idea and the support.
Like you see Russian letters, you know it isn't English. Having a different font for ASL makes sense. It's just the ability to use such a language on e-mails or text messaging devices that concerns me.
How long will it take you to make a dictionary of ASL orthography using your writing system? (Just kidding.) No matter how you "spell" it, some one else will sign it differently.
The level of text expressiveness is inversely related to your ability to find the text for which you are looking.
@positivesigner I've already started trying to make a dictionary, but it will take a LONG time.
You probably would not be able to use the system for text or emails, unless we get the ability to install new fonts onto our phones or email programs. So we will still need to rely on our bilingualism in using English for those, I think.
@DrDonGCSUS, I'm wondering about facial expressions which combine the non-manual signs you wrote in sign script, and situations in which you outline specific shapes with your fingers (for example, showing someone the exact size and shape of the leaf on a tree). Rapidly changing facial expressing to indicate something like, (while signing, "like" and gazing at someone), "You like HIM?!" Oh, that reminds me, eye gaze. Indicating people in a story by identifying where they are in space ...
@Banerika Umm... not sure I understand the question, but I do have special symbols for direction (left/right) that I did not include in the basic symbol set in the videos. I don't have anything for eye gaze, but I think directional symbols should cover that (unless you are indicating person by eye gaze alone, and then we're screwed, aren't we?)
@DrDonGCSUS, that's what I was thinking, indicating a person by eye gaze alone. As for the leaf example, it's one I think of when I think of the fact that sign language is superior to English or any other spoken language when it comes to precise description of how something looks. English: "sort of diamond-shaped but not pointy, rounded, smooth around the edges, oh wait the top edge is pointy, the bottom is rounded, the bottom is near the stem ... maybe like an upside down heart, no ..."
Whereas a friend of mine who is Deaf described the shape of a leaf perfectly by tracing the outline of it, its exact size and shape, with two 1-hands, moving simultaneously and symmetrically. So, how would that look in sign script?
@Banerika EEEEH. That's a toughie. At best, I guess, would have to use symbols for up, down, contracting, etc. in the order the sign was produced. Definitely wouldn't be perfect.....
@Banerika For the sentence you indicate, I believe the eyebrows raised would be there initially, and then at "HIM", the doubting or eyes wide symbol could be inserted
@DrDonGCSUS, so, for a facial expression that changes from eyebrows raised to eyes wide, the two symbols for each of those facial expressions would be written in sequence. Oh, and you'd be tilting your head back too, while making these expressions, so that symbol would have to be in there. What about facial expressions which combine any of these ... eyes widened and cheeks puffed out, for example. Would that have its own symbol, or be in sequence?
I look forward to your dictionaray! Also, dreaming of the day when there will be a kids' show teaching ASL phonics and reading along the lines of "The Electric Company" or "Sesame Street." As for indicating a person or thing by eye gaze alone, perhaps something akin to special punctualtion marks? As a question mark is used in English, or ... to show a pause.
CapriUni 1 year ago
@CapriUni I didn't include eye gaze in my writing, although it probably is something that would also need inclusion. Thanks for the idea and the support.
DrDonGCSUS 1 year ago
Like you see Russian letters, you know it isn't English. Having a different font for ASL makes sense. It's just the ability to use such a language on e-mails or text messaging devices that concerns me.
How long will it take you to make a dictionary of ASL orthography using your writing system? (Just kidding.) No matter how you "spell" it, some one else will sign it differently.
The level of text expressiveness is inversely related to your ability to find the text for which you are looking.
positivesigner 1 year ago
@positivesigner I've already started trying to make a dictionary, but it will take a LONG time.
You probably would not be able to use the system for text or emails, unless we get the ability to install new fonts onto our phones or email programs. So we will still need to rely on our bilingualism in using English for those, I think.
DrDonGCSUS 1 year ago
This is amazing.
Banerika 1 year ago
@Banerika Thanks, Erika. I'm guessing you saw all the videos. Any issues you had or think there might be in using it as currently configured?
DrDonGCSUS 1 year ago
@DrDonGCSUS, I'm wondering about facial expressions which combine the non-manual signs you wrote in sign script, and situations in which you outline specific shapes with your fingers (for example, showing someone the exact size and shape of the leaf on a tree). Rapidly changing facial expressing to indicate something like, (while signing, "like" and gazing at someone), "You like HIM?!" Oh, that reminds me, eye gaze. Indicating people in a story by identifying where they are in space ...
Banerika 1 year ago
@Banerika Umm... not sure I understand the question, but I do have special symbols for direction (left/right) that I did not include in the basic symbol set in the videos. I don't have anything for eye gaze, but I think directional symbols should cover that (unless you are indicating person by eye gaze alone, and then we're screwed, aren't we?)
DrDonGCSUS 1 year ago
@DrDonGCSUS, that's what I was thinking, indicating a person by eye gaze alone. As for the leaf example, it's one I think of when I think of the fact that sign language is superior to English or any other spoken language when it comes to precise description of how something looks. English: "sort of diamond-shaped but not pointy, rounded, smooth around the edges, oh wait the top edge is pointy, the bottom is rounded, the bottom is near the stem ... maybe like an upside down heart, no ..."
Banerika 1 year ago
Whereas a friend of mine who is Deaf described the shape of a leaf perfectly by tracing the outline of it, its exact size and shape, with two 1-hands, moving simultaneously and symmetrically. So, how would that look in sign script?
Banerika 1 year ago
@Banerika EEEEH. That's a toughie. At best, I guess, would have to use symbols for up, down, contracting, etc. in the order the sign was produced. Definitely wouldn't be perfect.....
DrDonGCSUS 1 year ago
@Banerika For the sentence you indicate, I believe the eyebrows raised would be there initially, and then at "HIM", the doubting or eyes wide symbol could be inserted
DrDonGCSUS 1 year ago
@DrDonGCSUS, so, for a facial expression that changes from eyebrows raised to eyes wide, the two symbols for each of those facial expressions would be written in sequence. Oh, and you'd be tilting your head back too, while making these expressions, so that symbol would have to be in there. What about facial expressions which combine any of these ... eyes widened and cheeks puffed out, for example. Would that have its own symbol, or be in sequence?
Banerika 1 year ago