Fuck Quebec. If Canadians would kick them out, we'd all be better off. But they won't. So Albertans will separate. It's really not that big a deal. It was inevitable. You can't oppress people and expect them to put up with it forever. We've been more than patient but our patience as run out.
We have 64 fewer seats per capita in Parliament and the Senate combined than we should have compared with other provinces - actually closer to 70 now due to increased population. We send the most money BY FAR per capita and have NO SAY in how it's spent. That's taxation without representation and we won't take it anymore.
So now Harper is going to fill all 18 vacant Senate seats with Conservatives! Great stuff!!! Of course, that really throws a wrench into the Lieberals' plan to give 6 Senate seats to the Bloc. And now the Lieberals are crying foul because Harper is doing exactly what they wanted to do! Crybabies.
You mean Senate elections??? IDIOT. Elections for Senators is one of the things for which the Reform Party was fighting - EEE Senate - ring any bells? Elected, Effective and Equal. Alberta is the ONLY province that's elected Senators. The Liberals refused to appoint them. So now Harper's just playing by Liberal rules.
As for seats per capita, you need to do some research on it. A group in BC was going to take the gov't to court over it.
Sorry, I skimmed your post, I thought you were speaking of the vacant seats in parliament. But...18 senate seats vacant? I doubt there are that many. Regardless, the Senate has almost no power anyway, so he can appoint however many senators he wants.
No, I won't do any research. Provide me with something. Maybe the name of the group in BC, or a place where I can verify your claim?
And I admit victory re: Alberta having no say on Ottawa's spending. And really everything else up to here.
"18 senate seats vacant? I doubt there are that many" British Columbia: 3 Alberta: 0 Saskatchewan: 1 Manitoba: 0 Ontario: 2 Quebec: 4 New Brunswick: 2 Nova Scotia: 3 P.E.I.: 1 Newfoundland and Labrador: 1 Nunavut: 0 Northwest Territories: 0 Yukon: 1 IF you can add, you'll find there are exactly 18 vacant seats, all of which will be filled by CONSERVATIVES.
Liberals don't realize that Harper IS dealing very effectively with the "economic crisis" - though I don't see any signs of economic problems where I am. Canada is the only country in the G7 that's likely to avoid a recession. Canadians WILL NOT allow the Three Stooges to take over, and if they do, the 3 western-most provinces will start forming concrete plans to separate. We WILL NOT continue to support this country without having any say in how it's run.
ur just as bad as the bloq...u fucking separatist bastard...Harper is puppet of the CIA to break up Canada, he is antagonizing everyone and creating resentment among the provinces.
Go fuck yourself. Harper is the most uniting force this country has seen in over 30 years. The Liberals nearly destroyed Canada; I don't envy Harper the job he has in trying to clean up the huge mess they made.
And yes, I'm a Western separatist. Canada deserves that.
lol...yeah...he is uniting all the other parties against his evil plot to destroy canadas sovriengty and allow the big companies to rule without laws...'that protect the worker...
Has anyone else seen the good news? It's on CTV news. The coalition is already falling apart. Everyone hates Dion; Layton has been caught using private health care and Duceppe - well, the less said about Duceppe, the better.
I guess under the vague constitutional law no criminal law has been broken. However put the balance of power in the hands of separatists who will continue to do what they have done for 500 years - try to split up Canada sets a very dangerous course for our country. Also TSX today: down 864.4 ! Liberal carbon tax coming? The voters have lost their voice when backroom deals are made. Canada can't afford BS as usual.
"I guess under the vague constitutional law no criminal law has been broken."
It's not very vague at all.
"However put the balance of power in the hands of separatists"
Who, according to their agreement, only have to vote with the Liberal/NDP coalition on confidence issues. Things like "give Quebec more money" aren't confidence issues, so the Coalition can tell them off there, and "let Quebec separate" is a confidence issue that, legally, the Bloc can't vote for if the coalition is against it.
This is going to be hilarious! I see it lasting about 2 months at most, then there'll be an election and the PCs will get the biggest majority in history.
It's been up and down all of the last few months. It'll rebound again. And, frankly, Conservative government policies have never done anything to help us out. The economy boomed because oil went up in price. Not because the Conservatives did anything right. But Liberals had surpluses when the economy did poorly.
"Liberal carbon tax coming?"
Yes, Dion cares about the environment, and Harper's disregard there lost us a lot of respect internationally
A carbon tax has absolutely nothing to do with the environment and you know it. All a carbon tax will do is shut down the oil industry in Alberta. These are international companies; they have oil to drill elsewhere. Idiot.
If you think a carbon tax has anything to do with pollution, you're very ill-informed. If you think global warming is a man-made phenomenon, you are seriously mistaken.
You go ahead and pay a carbon tax then, but don't expect me to.
Try Elections Canada. The people of Canada voted for Stephen Harper to be our PM..no one else. The people of Canada have lost their vote and that is illegal. Also you don't have a problem with the SEPARATIST party running a UNIFIED Canada!?
Good stuff, I wish more people would learn about Constitutional Law.
The convention of the leader of the party with the mosts seats won often becomes Prime Minister. But's it's only a convention... It's not written law. Conventions are difficult to enforce. Julia Gillard didn't win the majority of seats in her country of Australia, but she reamained Prime Minister.
We'll see what happens next election... Maybe next time the Liberals and New Democrats will follow the Australian model.
@gundamWWW true but by convention here he PM must have a majority of sorts if not the Governor-General would have to dissolve parliament again and call an election by having the support of three independents and a green, and I say support because for it to be a coalition it would require the members to be minsters and they aren't as it is the current make-up of the Australian House of Representatives is 72 Labor, 72 Liberal/National, 4 Independents, 1 Green and a WA National.
I won't trade insults with you. But you....uhhhh socialist NDP MUCH!!!??? I am not a racist. Call me a redneck if you like I don't mind. But what is going on in Ottawa right now is illegal the perps should be charged with treason.
I am furious and this is an illegal attempt to overthrow our duly elected PM. These bastards should be charged criminally! The stock market is tanking right now and will get worse as the bending and scaping gets worse between the NDP (Socialist) Bloc (Separatist) and Liberals (Untrustworthy).
Illegal? Uh...no. It isn't. The Liberals are trying to prevent the Conservatives (who 63% of the voters did not vote for) from trying to make Canada a one party state.
Whine whine whine that's all the liberals do and CBC the biggest lefty opinionated news channel out there. Harper won the election so shut up you lefty pussies and go back to your Illuminati planning.
i guess the reality is that a majority of canadians want liberals and ndp and not conservatives, otherwise the majority would have voted in the conservatives. they should have done it before the election but at least it is happening.
Odd how the Conservatives are trying to stop some govt. waste and the libs start bawling and kicking, yet again, like spoiled babies. Where was their concern when their little cock-mouthed Cretin/Cretien was paying out hundreds of millions to his French friends? What the french in Quebec need to remember is they were defeated back in the war. They really should have nothing to say about anything.
they are not kicking they are whining they never stopped they are sad because they lost the last time. whined ever since. Liberals are very whiny that is a problem.
Funny, I seem to recall the latest statistics saying that you stupid creationist homophobes are about as economically powerful as my province, BC. And that Saskatchewan and Ontario, on average, are also about as powerful as you are economically.
The TSX was down 186 yesterday, already down today as much as 260. TSX and DOW used to more or less parallel each other NOT ANY MORE. The instability caused by the coalition deal is affecting the financial markets in a very negative way. AND THEY DON'T CARE.
You are obviously a Lieberal. Actually, I'm starting to like this new coalition. It's given Western separatism the biggest boost it's ever had! And that includes Saskatchewan. Oh, by the way, did you hear that Ontario is now a "have-not" province? Now go tell Quebec where all those billions you're promising them will come from.
I'm not a liberal, in the sense of "supporter of the Liberal party". Ontario being a "have-not" province shows how silly the "have/have-not" system is. The average income for an Ontario family is 66K a year, second highest amongst provinces.
And go ahead and separate, idiot, just don't take B.C. with you. An independent West would fail for the same reasons an independent Quebec would.
Oh, make no mistake. I've been in the separation business for A LONG time. Both B.C. and Saskatchewan are out. You can keep Manitoba. An independent West would be the richest country in the world. Quebec would fail as independent because they could never get along with the rest of the world and no one would send them money.
Yeah. You also believe the Holocaust didn't happen. You're not exactly the most credible of witnesses. Global warming IS caused in part by people, according to all the facts. B.C. doesn't want to separate, and I'm fairly sure that the Saskatchewan doesn't either. And Alberta? Please! I lived there too, and only a handful of idiot rednecks wanted to separate. Note how few votes the Separation Party of Alberta got in the last few elections.
Actually, no. I'm quite sure the holocaust happened. You need to do yourself a favour and watch some YouTube videos by The Friends of Science, that way you won't keep embarrassing yourself. B.C. does want to separate. There's a new separatist group starting aimed at businesses and taxpayers. It's going to be great. I actually wish this coalition would pass!
In your subscriptions. User: irregularissue. Holocaust denier.
Anyway, you don't even know what I know, and yet you claim to know more than I can ever hope to? While claiming that B.C. wants to separate? The only (and I do mean ONLY) source that supports you is a survey done in early 2008 amongst far right conservatives...not a representative survey to say the least.
Well, once Alberta and Saskatchewan are gone, B.C. will join us soon enough.
Canada is a highly dysfunctional country that has always used and abused the people in the West. It's time we realized our only value is as the money supply.
Yes, stealing. We don't owe ANYTHING to Ottawa. Why do they take $14 Billion from us every year and give us nothing for it? Stephen Harper is now a Calgarian and Laureen Harper's family is here. My husband's from Ont.; once they live here, they never go back.
When you've lost an argument, you resort to insults. That's a sure sign of a Liberal. Yes, I know more about Alta politics than you. I've done 18 Town Halls and spoken to people from all over Alta. I know what they want.
1: You DO have an abundance of arrogance. To say you know more about anything than someone else "ever could" is arrogant in almost all circumstances
2: If all I do is insult, then yes, insulting means I lost the argument. However, I've won here by stating facts. You have assertions and lies, I have facts.
3: You called me a "Lieberal" when we started this, and since that's an insult, you lost at the very beginning, according to you.
As a typical Liberal, you smugly tell me I have a lot of arrogance. Tough shit! Get used to it! I DO know more about Alberta politics than most people.
You are clearly a stupid, brainwashed and brain DEAD Liberal, trying ever so hard to keep believing in something that's very quickly slipping through your fingers. So now you'll pin your hopes on Iggy. HA! Good luck with that!!!
See? Now you're finding some humility. Now, can you tell me why Albertans are whining about democracy being stolen when the province is, essentially, a one party province, provincially and federally?
And I'm clearly not a Liberal, as I've stated before. Rather than asserting what I am, why don't you ask?
I've voted NDP before, but I'm not affiliated with any party. The NDP agrees with me more than any other major party, though.
"Even worse"? Pray tell, how so? I can point to almost all of Europe to show you how an NDP government would work, and Europe is doing rather well all around.
Good GOD! You shouldn't point to Europe as as example of countries that are doing well!!! They are being overrun by Muslims who are making life miserable for all Europeans. Muslims won't work and cause nothing but trouble; European women can't venture out alone for fear of being raped by Muslim gangs. They have 4 wives and are breeding so fast that in 20 years, Europe will be Europistan. THAT'S what "tolerance" does; THAT'S what "multiculturalism" does.
Wow. Did you step out of a time machine or something? I could have sworn I heard stuff like that in documentaries about the Third Reich.
Firstly, the "muslim invasion" is overblown. The biggest issues are lack of integration and radicalism, which cause each other, and are only problems in small areas.
Secondly, they can't have more than 1 wife (except in the UK, which will almost certainly overturn that decision)
Thirdly, get your information from non-radical-right-wing sources, OK?
How would having multiple wives make them have more kids? The women will still have the same amount of kids.
Our laws (and the laws of every other country in the West aside from the UK, who, again, will almost certainly overturn that decision) DO stop them from polygamy.
Again, you're a bigot and a moron.
Yeah, Canada will invade Ontario if Alberta tries to separate. Right. All 10 thousand or so western separatists (I'm being generous here) would be squashed pretty quickly.
lol...to infinity and beyond....at the rate they are going there will be an abundance of work in the oils sands for about one generation...do you think the states will want to love you anymore then....better sign a prenuptuial....
I trust the States MUCH more than I trust Eastern Canadians (or at least I DID until they elected Osama bin Biden).
Alberta will do just fine on its own, though I'm going to a separatist meeting this weekend and people are coming from B.C., Saskatchewan and Manitoba. There will also be several "high profile" people there (don't even ask who because I'm not allowed to say). So things are looking good!
Yes, I can see you are clearly an insane half-witted Liberal. Useless to anyone for anything except to empower yourselves and give yourselves goodies at the expense of taxpayers.
HAHAHA That's the REALLY FUNNY part; Quebec has already paved the way for separation. There's a clear path and Canada has nothing to do with it. Albertans make the choice. YOU read up on it!
"That's the REALLY FUNNY part; Quebec has already paved the way for separation.'
They've set the stage, true. Now, if there's a clearly-worded provincial referendum on separation, it passes with a clear majority (I believe two-thirds) and the Supreme Court allows it (which they will only in the case of real and severe oppression from Ottawa-deprivation of basic human rights and genocide being about all they'll accept) then yes, you can separate. Good luck with that.
Since you've been completely wrong about everything so far, you'd be well advised to quit. As I said, I know more about Albertan AND CANADIAN politics than you could ever hope to know.
Quebec will never separate because they legally can't, and because they don't want to. There's only about 30% support for Quebec EVER separating, even in the far future. But if they tried, we'd likely see a civil war
Meanwhile, you're certain of Alberta separating when there's like, 2% support of that ever happening.
Why I say there'd be a civil war is because you'd have to take up arms to separate if you can't do so legally.
Quebec never planned to separate. It's always been about being a squeaky wheel. I don't care if they cause a civil war, as long as it stays east of Manitoba. Alberta, on the other hand, if it does decide to separate, will do so quickly. If we had to "take up arms" we'd do so.
Alberta independence has never gained much momentum (note the low popular approval of the various Alberta Independence parties), and Saskatchewan is actually less inclined to separate than BC, according to the same survey that said B.C. is willing to separate.
That's because we always hoped other Canadians would finally wake up. But now it's very clear that will never happen.
Check this out itstimetogo dotca.
If I'm insane, there are many others just like me. We want our children to have the future they deserve. Canada would just continue to suck us dry and give us nothing in return. There's just nothing in it for us. The only SANE thing to do is separate.
I've been involved in politics for 16 years and I know more about Alberta politics than you ever could. So go ahead, quote all the stats you want. You obviously don't understand Westerners and you never will.
I am quite sane and quite willing to work very hard, as are thousands of Albertans, to get out of this sick excuse for a country.
Again, you're arrogant as hell. For all you know I could be a career politician on vacation, wiling away my free time on youtube. But you "know more about Alberta politics than [I] ever could". If your movement had any support aside from a few radicals, then you'd get the support the PQ gets provincially. But you don't. Yet I am not to interpret this as Albertans not wanting to secede?
I AM A WESTERNER. I might be a leftist, but I'm born and raised in in BC.
Quebec PAID people to breed 30 years ago so their numbers would increase. As a leftist you likely support liberals and this ridiculous coalition. I do hope it goes through; the boost it would give our cause would be unbelievable. Then instead of trying to fix a completely dysfunctional country that can never be fixed, maybe Stephen will come home and be our leader. He did, after all, compose and sign the "Firewall" letter so he knows how to protect Alberta.
I don't give a flying FUCK who you are. I'd say the same things to anyone. And yes, I know more about Alberta politics than you ever could or ever will. Just because you're a Westerner, that doesn't mean you have the brains of a Westerner.
Uniting with the ruling party? In case you haven't noticed the "ruling party" is interested in telling the other parties what's gonna happen and then expecting them to line up and do it - didn't happen this time though did it?
Undemocratic? Since when did the "majority" joining together become undemocratic? Are you not aware that Harper himself presented the very same option to the GG on September 9, 2004 when it looked like the government of the day might fall and he was in Opposition?
don't be an idiot. when you have 3 major parties & the Bloc that get alot of Quebec votes, there will be alot of vote splitting. It would be rare these days for anyone to get over 35-40% of the vote.
Funny, I don't remember a box on the ballet that said "not conservative", give me a freaking break. Nor did I see a box for the coalition of LIB/NDP/BLOC. With your same logic, 73% of canadians voted "not Liberal" yet we may have a Liberal PM. What a stupid arguement.
The three parties in the coalition, essentially, agree on everything aside from Quebec Separatism. And the Bloc barely agrees with that either, anymore. Note that the vast majority of Quebecois don't want sovereignty right now, and most don't want it ever.
In contrast, the Conservatives are on the right of the other 2 thirds who did vote.
And the coalition, by its nature, would not be just a Liberal controlled thing. It'd be a coalition.
Liberals are whiny sissy people all of them. they do nothing but whine, Harper may be an arsehole but least he isnt a liberal faggot trying to destroy every slice of culture this country has, they want our culture to be 'no more white people' POOR on the immigration 'so we are are multicultural' Long lines = more immigration. they really got this figured out dont they there isnt even enough jobs for the immigrants coming in.
Had a big 'ole bowl of steaming political rhetoric-O's this morning did we jimmyphack?
You need to check out my blog (stageleft . info) for some of Harpers thoughts on coalition governments and delaying confidence votes while he was sitting in Opposition.... they are .... ah .... somewhat different than those he seems to be thinking now.
FYI : Coalition governments are normal. The way our parliamentary system works, allows this to happen and its completely democratic. It ONLY occurs in fringe or minority governments ex: when the opposition parties (currently 163), by seat value, are greater than that of the leading party (143). If the opposition parties (the combined popular vote of the people) unanimously agree that the current party is not representing the people's standpoint, as oppose to a party standpoint, they veto
good gawd did we ever dodge a bullet with the 3 stooges.
footluv71 7 months ago
American soldiers will welcomed up here during civil unrest.
This is american expansionism by super-inflation
its a new way of taking over land. Quebec knows this that is why they paint murals 'go home yankee'.
jimmyphack 3 years ago
CANADA DESERVES A STRONG AND DETERMINED WESTERN SEPARATIST PARTY.
And there's one in the works, uniting Western businesses and taxpayers!!!
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Right. Western Separatism WILL NOT EVER TAKE OFF. Quebec won't separate either.
Go move to some country that will take you. Maybe Argentina? There are a lot of Nazis there, I'm told
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
Fuck Quebec. If Canadians would kick them out, we'd all be better off. But they won't. So Albertans will separate. It's really not that big a deal. It was inevitable. You can't oppress people and expect them to put up with it forever. We've been more than patient but our patience as run out.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Pray tell, how have Albertans been oppressed?
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
We have 64 fewer seats per capita in Parliament and the Senate combined than we should have compared with other provinces - actually closer to 70 now due to increased population. We send the most money BY FAR per capita and have NO SAY in how it's spent. That's taxation without representation and we won't take it anymore.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
So now Harper is going to fill all 18 vacant Senate seats with Conservatives! Great stuff!!! Of course, that really throws a wrench into the Lieberals' plan to give 6 Senate seats to the Bloc. And now the Lieberals are crying foul because Harper is doing exactly what they wanted to do! Crybabies.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Without elections? That's rather illegal, actually.
As for your fewer seats thing...I'd like to see ow you figure that.
And as for "NO SAY" in how its spent, I'm fairly sure your MPs have a bit of say on your behalf.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
You mean Senate elections??? IDIOT. Elections for Senators is one of the things for which the Reform Party was fighting - EEE Senate - ring any bells? Elected, Effective and Equal. Alberta is the ONLY province that's elected Senators. The Liberals refused to appoint them. So now Harper's just playing by Liberal rules.
As for seats per capita, you need to do some research on it. A group in BC was going to take the gov't to court over it.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Sorry, I skimmed your post, I thought you were speaking of the vacant seats in parliament. But...18 senate seats vacant? I doubt there are that many. Regardless, the Senate has almost no power anyway, so he can appoint however many senators he wants.
No, I won't do any research. Provide me with something. Maybe the name of the group in BC, or a place where I can verify your claim?
And I admit victory re: Alberta having no say on Ottawa's spending. And really everything else up to here.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
Well, do some research. There are 18 Senate seats to be filled.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Good for you guys. 18 more seats in the Senate. Now to give the Senate some actual power.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
That was something the Reform Party promised. Remember "EEE (triple E) Senate"? Decidedly NOT a leftist idea.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Harper is manufacturing a political crisis to avoid confronting the economic crises....
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
Liberals don't realize that Harper IS dealing very effectively with the "economic crisis" - though I don't see any signs of economic problems where I am. Canada is the only country in the G7 that's likely to avoid a recession. Canadians WILL NOT allow the Three Stooges to take over, and if they do, the 3 western-most provinces will start forming concrete plans to separate. We WILL NOT continue to support this country without having any say in how it's run.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
ur just as bad as the bloq...u fucking separatist bastard...Harper is puppet of the CIA to break up Canada, he is antagonizing everyone and creating resentment among the provinces.
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
Go fuck yourself. Harper is the most uniting force this country has seen in over 30 years. The Liberals nearly destroyed Canada; I don't envy Harper the job he has in trying to clean up the huge mess they made.
And yes, I'm a Western separatist. Canada deserves that.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
lol...yeah...he is uniting all the other parties against his evil plot to destroy canadas sovriengty and allow the big companies to rule without laws...'that protect the worker...
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
Where do you Lieberals get this shit??? I guess you dig it out of your brains.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Has anyone else seen the good news? It's on CTV news. The coalition is already falling apart. Everyone hates Dion; Layton has been caught using private health care and Duceppe - well, the less said about Duceppe, the better.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
see u on jan 27th loser...thats just propaganda for the easily led.
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
The Liberal Party of Canada has made the biggest mistake of its life..
televox212 3 years ago
Well I've had enough of this got to go powder my red neck and fire up my F350 diesel and go shopping. lol
oilpatchgirl 3 years ago
Coalition government is legal in our country for times of crisis like these......read up and be informed.
willowbud 3 years ago 2
I guess under the vague constitutional law no criminal law has been broken. However put the balance of power in the hands of separatists who will continue to do what they have done for 500 years - try to split up Canada sets a very dangerous course for our country. Also TSX today: down 864.4 ! Liberal carbon tax coming? The voters have lost their voice when backroom deals are made. Canada can't afford BS as usual.
oilpatchgirl 3 years ago
"I guess under the vague constitutional law no criminal law has been broken."
It's not very vague at all.
"However put the balance of power in the hands of separatists"
Who, according to their agreement, only have to vote with the Liberal/NDP coalition on confidence issues. Things like "give Quebec more money" aren't confidence issues, so the Coalition can tell them off there, and "let Quebec separate" is a confidence issue that, legally, the Bloc can't vote for if the coalition is against it.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
This is going to be hilarious! I see it lasting about 2 months at most, then there'll be an election and the PCs will get the biggest majority in history.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
"Also TSX today: down 864.4 !"
It's been up and down all of the last few months. It'll rebound again. And, frankly, Conservative government policies have never done anything to help us out. The economy boomed because oil went up in price. Not because the Conservatives did anything right. But Liberals had surpluses when the economy did poorly.
"Liberal carbon tax coming?"
Yes, Dion cares about the environment, and Harper's disregard there lost us a lot of respect internationally
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
A carbon tax has absolutely nothing to do with the environment and you know it. All a carbon tax will do is shut down the oil industry in Alberta. These are international companies; they have oil to drill elsewhere. Idiot.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
No, the carbon tax would be a good idea to cut down on pollution.
Where else would oil companies drill? They're running out of options. All the good places are either in Canada, taken, or in war zones.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
If you think a carbon tax has anything to do with pollution, you're very ill-informed. If you think global warming is a man-made phenomenon, you are seriously mistaken.
You go ahead and pay a carbon tax then, but don't expect me to.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Another liberal troll. Go pound sand.
Mk1rceme 3 years ago
How is it trolling to discuss (mostly) calmly?
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
Try Elections Canada. The people of Canada voted for Stephen Harper to be our PM..no one else. The people of Canada have lost their vote and that is illegal. Also you don't have a problem with the SEPARATIST party running a UNIFIED Canada!?
oilpatchgirl 3 years ago
Two facts oilpatchgirl, possibly inconvenient for you, but facts none the less.
#1) Canadians don't vote for a Prime Minister, they vote for an MP, full stop, end of story, that's the way it's always been.
#2) Nobody lost their vote
I'm really not sure how much simpler it can be made, nothing illegal is going on.
stage1eft 3 years ago
Good stuff, I wish more people would learn about Constitutional Law.
The convention of the leader of the party with the mosts seats won often becomes Prime Minister. But's it's only a convention... It's not written law. Conventions are difficult to enforce. Julia Gillard didn't win the majority of seats in her country of Australia, but she reamained Prime Minister.
We'll see what happens next election... Maybe next time the Liberals and New Democrats will follow the Australian model.
gundamWWW 1 year ago
@gundamWWW true but by convention here he PM must have a majority of sorts if not the Governor-General would have to dissolve parliament again and call an election by having the support of three independents and a green, and I say support because for it to be a coalition it would require the members to be minsters and they aren't as it is the current make-up of the Australian House of Representatives is 72 Labor, 72 Liberal/National, 4 Independents, 1 Green and a WA National.
irishgodfatherchris 1 year ago
I won't trade insults with you. But you....uhhhh socialist NDP MUCH!!!??? I am not a racist. Call me a redneck if you like I don't mind. But what is going on in Ottawa right now is illegal the perps should be charged with treason.
oilpatchgirl 3 years ago
That's twice you've said it is illegal? What law has been broken?
The only catch is that it has to be a real law.
stage1eft 3 years ago
@oilpatchgirl You are, in a word, retarded.
velvetsmog 7 months ago in playlist Confidence Motions
@velvetsmog Well. How do you like it so far? Plan didn't pan out or what?
oilpatchgirl 6 months ago
Racist much?
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
Hmmm...who started in with the redneck comments?
Mk1rceme 3 years ago
Redneck isn't a race-based insult. One can be any race and be a redneck. Google "Cowboy Troy" if you disagree.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
I am furious and this is an illegal attempt to overthrow our duly elected PM. These bastards should be charged criminally! The stock market is tanking right now and will get worse as the bending and scaping gets worse between the NDP (Socialist) Bloc (Separatist) and Liberals (Untrustworthy).
oilpatchgirl 3 years ago
Illegal? Uh...no. It isn't. The Liberals are trying to prevent the Conservatives (who 63% of the voters did not vote for) from trying to make Canada a one party state.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
"Real people" don't run for high office - people who want power and control do.
stage1eft 3 years ago
Whine whine whine that's all the liberals do and CBC the biggest lefty opinionated news channel out there. Harper won the election so shut up you lefty pussies and go back to your Illuminati planning.
grimnavyseal 3 years ago
i guess the reality is that a majority of canadians want liberals and ndp and not conservatives, otherwise the majority would have voted in the conservatives. they should have done it before the election but at least it is happening.
Auscann 3 years ago 3
Odd how the Conservatives are trying to stop some govt. waste and the libs start bawling and kicking, yet again, like spoiled babies. Where was their concern when their little cock-mouthed Cretin/Cretien was paying out hundreds of millions to his French friends? What the french in Quebec need to remember is they were defeated back in the war. They really should have nothing to say about anything.
moslemssuck 3 years ago
they are not kicking they are whining they never stopped they are sad because they lost the last time. whined ever since. Liberals are very whiny that is a problem.
jimmyphack 3 years ago
Time for Alberta to get its separatist machine in motion.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Go for it. Goddamn rednecks aren't really Canadian anyway.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
Thanks so very much for the lovely compliment! I know what "real" Canadians are like - stick-up-the-ass types - and wouldn't want to be one.
But I DO notice that you're only too happy to take our money. USELESS LEECHES.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Funny, I seem to recall the latest statistics saying that you stupid creationist homophobes are about as economically powerful as my province, BC. And that Saskatchewan and Ontario, on average, are also about as powerful as you are economically.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
The TSX was down 186 yesterday, already down today as much as 260. TSX and DOW used to more or less parallel each other NOT ANY MORE. The instability caused by the coalition deal is affecting the financial markets in a very negative way. AND THEY DON'T CARE.
oilpatchgirl 3 years ago
You are obviously a Lieberal. Actually, I'm starting to like this new coalition. It's given Western separatism the biggest boost it's ever had! And that includes Saskatchewan. Oh, by the way, did you hear that Ontario is now a "have-not" province? Now go tell Quebec where all those billions you're promising them will come from.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
I'm not a liberal, in the sense of "supporter of the Liberal party". Ontario being a "have-not" province shows how silly the "have/have-not" system is. The average income for an Ontario family is 66K a year, second highest amongst provinces.
And go ahead and separate, idiot, just don't take B.C. with you. An independent West would fail for the same reasons an independent Quebec would.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
Oh, make no mistake. I've been in the separation business for A LONG time. Both B.C. and Saskatchewan are out. You can keep Manitoba. An independent West would be the richest country in the world. Quebec would fail as independent because they could never get along with the rest of the world and no one would send them money.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Yeah. You also believe the Holocaust didn't happen. You're not exactly the most credible of witnesses. Global warming IS caused in part by people, according to all the facts. B.C. doesn't want to separate, and I'm fairly sure that the Saskatchewan doesn't either. And Alberta? Please! I lived there too, and only a handful of idiot rednecks wanted to separate. Note how few votes the Separation Party of Alberta got in the last few elections.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
Actually, no. I'm quite sure the holocaust happened. You need to do yourself a favour and watch some YouTube videos by The Friends of Science, that way you won't keep embarrassing yourself. B.C. does want to separate. There's a new separatist group starting aimed at businesses and taxpayers. It's going to be great. I actually wish this coalition would pass!
Brdstfff 3 years ago
yet you subscribe to a nazi holocaust denier. Hm.
Don't speak on things you know nothing about.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
I don't know who you're talking about. I know more about Canada AND Stephen Harper than you could ever hope to know.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
"I don't know who you're talking about."
In your subscriptions. User: irregularissue. Holocaust denier.
Anyway, you don't even know what I know, and yet you claim to know more than I can ever hope to? While claiming that B.C. wants to separate? The only (and I do mean ONLY) source that supports you is a survey done in early 2008 amongst far right conservatives...not a representative survey to say the least.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
Well, once Alberta and Saskatchewan are gone, B.C. will join us soon enough.
Canada is a highly dysfunctional country that has always used and abused the people in the West. It's time we realized our only value is as the money supply.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
at the rate the big companies are raping your lands...it wont be long that your oil fields will be empty...then what are you going to do?
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
You obviously don't know anything AT ALL about Alberta's oil so you'd be best to shut the fuck up.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
"You obviously don't know anything AT ALL about Alberta's oil so you'd be best to shut the fuck up."
Is Alberta's oil oil? Because if so, then it will run out some day. Which is what this guy said.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
That's why we have to separate, to prevent Canada from stealing all the money we make from oil. We need to keep it to build up other industries.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
STEALING? You're an idiot.
Stephen Harper coming home would involve a trip to Toronto.
Are you envious you didn't pay people to breed? It might give you a few more separatists, though I'm certain they'd all be inbred.
You'd tell me that you know more about Alberta politics than I ever could regardless of who I am? So why haven't you been premier?
According to you, only a few thousand of the 10-12 million Western Canadians have the brains of a Westerner.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
Yes, stealing. We don't owe ANYTHING to Ottawa. Why do they take $14 Billion from us every year and give us nothing for it? Stephen Harper is now a Calgarian and Laureen Harper's family is here. My husband's from Ont.; once they live here, they never go back.
When you've lost an argument, you resort to insults. That's a sure sign of a Liberal. Yes, I know more about Alta politics than you. I've done 18 Town Halls and spoken to people from all over Alta. I know what they want.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Heh. You're silly.
1: You DO have an abundance of arrogance. To say you know more about anything than someone else "ever could" is arrogant in almost all circumstances
2: If all I do is insult, then yes, insulting means I lost the argument. However, I've won here by stating facts. You have assertions and lies, I have facts.
3: You called me a "Lieberal" when we started this, and since that's an insult, you lost at the very beginning, according to you.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
As a typical Liberal, you smugly tell me I have a lot of arrogance. Tough shit! Get used to it! I DO know more about Alberta politics than most people.
You are clearly a stupid, brainwashed and brain DEAD Liberal, trying ever so hard to keep believing in something that's very quickly slipping through your fingers. So now you'll pin your hopes on Iggy. HA! Good luck with that!!!
Brdstfff 3 years ago
See? Now you're finding some humility. Now, can you tell me why Albertans are whining about democracy being stolen when the province is, essentially, a one party province, provincially and federally?
And I'm clearly not a Liberal, as I've stated before. Rather than asserting what I am, why don't you ask?
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
Oh, so you're NDP. Even worse.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
I've voted NDP before, but I'm not affiliated with any party. The NDP agrees with me more than any other major party, though.
"Even worse"? Pray tell, how so? I can point to almost all of Europe to show you how an NDP government would work, and Europe is doing rather well all around.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
Good GOD! You shouldn't point to Europe as as example of countries that are doing well!!! They are being overrun by Muslims who are making life miserable for all Europeans. Muslims won't work and cause nothing but trouble; European women can't venture out alone for fear of being raped by Muslim gangs. They have 4 wives and are breeding so fast that in 20 years, Europe will be Europistan. THAT'S what "tolerance" does; THAT'S what "multiculturalism" does.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Wow. Did you step out of a time machine or something? I could have sworn I heard stuff like that in documentaries about the Third Reich.
Firstly, the "muslim invasion" is overblown. The biggest issues are lack of integration and radicalism, which cause each other, and are only problems in small areas.
Secondly, they can't have more than 1 wife (except in the UK, which will almost certainly overturn that decision)
Thirdly, get your information from non-radical-right-wing sources, OK?
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
"They can't have more than 1 wife". HAHAHA When would our LAWS stop them??? They plan to outbreed us; they can only do that with multiple wives.
You need to get your information from somewhere other than your brain, which apparently isn't working well.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
How would having multiple wives make them have more kids? The women will still have the same amount of kids.
Our laws (and the laws of every other country in the West aside from the UK, who, again, will almost certainly overturn that decision) DO stop them from polygamy.
Again, you're a bigot and a moron.
Yeah, Canada will invade Ontario if Alberta tries to separate. Right. All 10 thousand or so western separatists (I'm being generous here) would be squashed pretty quickly.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
lol...to infinity and beyond....at the rate they are going there will be an abundance of work in the oils sands for about one generation...do you think the states will want to love you anymore then....better sign a prenuptuial....
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
I trust the States MUCH more than I trust Eastern Canadians (or at least I DID until they elected Osama bin Biden).
Alberta will do just fine on its own, though I'm going to a separatist meeting this weekend and people are coming from B.C., Saskatchewan and Manitoba. There will also be several "high profile" people there (don't even ask who because I'm not allowed to say). So things are looking good!
Brdstfff 3 years ago
"I trust the States MUCH more than I trust Eastern Canadians (or at least I DID until they elected Osama bin Biden)"
Yep. You're loony.
"There will also be several "high profile" people there (don't even ask who because I'm not allowed to say)."
Translation: I'm trying to pretend there's a lot of actual support for Western Separatism.
By the way, any province separating from Canada is illegal unless Canada allows it. Read up on it.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
Yes, I can see you are clearly an insane half-witted Liberal. Useless to anyone for anything except to empower yourselves and give yourselves goodies at the expense of taxpayers.
HAHAHA That's the REALLY FUNNY part; Quebec has already paved the way for separation. There's a clear path and Canada has nothing to do with it. Albertans make the choice. YOU read up on it!
Brdstfff 3 years ago
"That's the REALLY FUNNY part; Quebec has already paved the way for separation.'
They've set the stage, true. Now, if there's a clearly-worded provincial referendum on separation, it passes with a clear majority (I believe two-thirds) and the Supreme Court allows it (which they will only in the case of real and severe oppression from Ottawa-deprivation of basic human rights and genocide being about all they'll accept) then yes, you can separate. Good luck with that.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
Since we would no longer recognize the Supreme Court as having any authority over us, their decision would be moot.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Since you've been completely wrong about everything so far, you'd be well advised to quit. As I said, I know more about Albertan AND CANADIAN politics than you could ever hope to know.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
So...what you're saying is that you'd break the law and start a civil war you couldn't hope to win?
I've been right about everything, save my little mistake about the Senate seats. But everything else? I've been right on.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
Would there be a civil war if Quebec separated? NO there wouldn't. Actually, most provinces would be happy to be rid of the burden of Quebec.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Quebec will never separate because they legally can't, and because they don't want to. There's only about 30% support for Quebec EVER separating, even in the far future. But if they tried, we'd likely see a civil war
Meanwhile, you're certain of Alberta separating when there's like, 2% support of that ever happening.
Why I say there'd be a civil war is because you'd have to take up arms to separate if you can't do so legally.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
Quebec never planned to separate. It's always been about being a squeaky wheel. I don't care if they cause a civil war, as long as it stays east of Manitoba. Alberta, on the other hand, if it does decide to separate, will do so quickly. If we had to "take up arms" we'd do so.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
By the way - you don't know much about the oilsands, do you? Work for one generation???
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Brdstfff 3 years ago
I know your an idiot...BUUUUUUURNNNNNNN!
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
Alberta independence has never gained much momentum (note the low popular approval of the various Alberta Independence parties), and Saskatchewan is actually less inclined to separate than BC, according to the same survey that said B.C. is willing to separate.
You're clearly insane.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
That's because we always hoped other Canadians would finally wake up. But now it's very clear that will never happen.
Check this out itstimetogo dotca.
If I'm insane, there are many others just like me. We want our children to have the future they deserve. Canada would just continue to suck us dry and give us nothing in return. There's just nothing in it for us. The only SANE thing to do is separate.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
I've been involved in politics for 16 years and I know more about Alberta politics than you ever could. So go ahead, quote all the stats you want. You obviously don't understand Westerners and you never will.
I am quite sane and quite willing to work very hard, as are thousands of Albertans, to get out of this sick excuse for a country.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Again, you're arrogant as hell. For all you know I could be a career politician on vacation, wiling away my free time on youtube. But you "know more about Alberta politics than [I] ever could". If your movement had any support aside from a few radicals, then you'd get the support the PQ gets provincially. But you don't. Yet I am not to interpret this as Albertans not wanting to secede?
I AM A WESTERNER. I might be a leftist, but I'm born and raised in in BC.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
Quebec PAID people to breed 30 years ago so their numbers would increase. As a leftist you likely support liberals and this ridiculous coalition. I do hope it goes through; the boost it would give our cause would be unbelievable. Then instead of trying to fix a completely dysfunctional country that can never be fixed, maybe Stephen will come home and be our leader. He did, after all, compose and sign the "Firewall" letter so he knows how to protect Alberta.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
I don't give a flying FUCK who you are. I'd say the same things to anyone. And yes, I know more about Alberta politics than you ever could or ever will. Just because you're a Westerner, that doesn't mean you have the brains of a Westerner.
Brdstfff 3 years ago
Uniting with the ruling party? In case you haven't noticed the "ruling party" is interested in telling the other parties what's gonna happen and then expecting them to line up and do it - didn't happen this time though did it?
stage1eft 3 years ago
Yeah they do, they lost. The ruling party didn't and that's why they're the ruling party.
What the opposition is doing is undemocratic and just plain unethical.
scytheboy 3 years ago
Undemocratic? Since when did the "majority" joining together become undemocratic? Are you not aware that Harper himself presented the very same option to the GG on September 9, 2004 when it looked like the government of the day might fall and he was in Opposition?
Jeeze man, pay attention to history will ya.
stage1eft 3 years ago
Yeah. Really undemocratic. 63% of the country votes "not Conservative" and they get Conservatives. That's so democratic.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
don't be an idiot. when you have 3 major parties & the Bloc that get alot of Quebec votes, there will be alot of vote splitting. It would be rare these days for anyone to get over 35-40% of the vote.
that argument is nonsense.
hebber1961 3 years ago
Funny, I don't remember a box on the ballet that said "not conservative", give me a freaking break. Nor did I see a box for the coalition of LIB/NDP/BLOC. With your same logic, 73% of canadians voted "not Liberal" yet we may have a Liberal PM. What a stupid arguement.
lurasman 3 years ago
The three parties in the coalition, essentially, agree on everything aside from Quebec Separatism. And the Bloc barely agrees with that either, anymore. Note that the vast majority of Quebecois don't want sovereignty right now, and most don't want it ever.
In contrast, the Conservatives are on the right of the other 2 thirds who did vote.
And the coalition, by its nature, would not be just a Liberal controlled thing. It'd be a coalition.
BENY0HAMA 3 years ago
Cretian talks kind of sideways with his mouth for a reason. For years he would turn his head repeatedly to say "are ya done dere yet fadder???"
SirWinstonChurchill 3 years ago
Lots of back door wheeling and dealing. It's all a sham.
1gregmichael 3 years ago
We just went through this shit!!!!!
I hope the Liberals are destroyed this time.
I mean...holy fuck aren't things bad enough???
What the fuck are they thinking????
iguire 3 years ago 4
Liberals are whiny sissy people all of them. they do nothing but whine, Harper may be an arsehole but least he isnt a liberal faggot trying to destroy every slice of culture this country has, they want our culture to be 'no more white people' POOR on the immigration 'so we are are multicultural' Long lines = more immigration. they really got this figured out dont they there isnt even enough jobs for the immigrants coming in.
jimmyphack 3 years ago
Had a big 'ole bowl of steaming political rhetoric-O's this morning did we jimmyphack?
You need to check out my blog (stageleft . info) for some of Harpers thoughts on coalition governments and delaying confidence votes while he was sitting in Opposition.... they are .... ah .... somewhat different than those he seems to be thinking now.
stage1eft 3 years ago
No I just hate dion and the liberals, lets get ndp or someone in. harper can go to hell for all i care.
jimmyphack 3 years ago
good grief. If you elect a majority government they become corrupt, if it's a minority the opposition makes a power grab. Great system.
Ian7570 3 years ago 4
No not when the minority is the liberals HELL NO.
jimmyphack 3 years ago
FYI : Coalition governments are normal. The way our parliamentary system works, allows this to happen and its completely democratic. It ONLY occurs in fringe or minority governments ex: when the opposition parties (currently 163), by seat value, are greater than that of the leading party (143). If the opposition parties (the combined popular vote of the people) unanimously agree that the current party is not representing the people's standpoint, as oppose to a party standpoint, they veto
samiraiken 3 years ago 5
To bad it just comes off as looking like a grab for power. They lost and this doesn't feel ethical to me.
scytheboy 3 years ago
samiraiken : No, this is not fucking normal!
The Bloc don't even want to stay in the country, the NDP haven't held any sort of federal power.
We don't have proportional representation, and perhaps as a result, until now we didn't have european pizza parliaments. So what the hell?
hallelujaallahuakbar 3 years ago
Don't kid yourself. Quebec will NEVER separate. They never intended to. The only purpose of their threats is to beat every goverment into submission.
I'm all for kicking them out of Canada!
Brdstfff 3 years ago