Anyone interested in listening to the comments of eight of the worlds leading scientists & authority on neuclear physics, embryology, geology, space & astronomy wrt Quran may visit Youtube & search "{ Quran & Science, Youtube}, & then pick the video entitled:-[ Holy Quran]: Top Scientists Comments on Scientific Miracles in the Quran *# Faith and Science
Prof Maurice Baucille,Chief Surgeon General France; u can visit Youtube & listen his lecture in " The Qur'an & The Modern Science - Dr. Maurice Bucaille (1/7) &
Prof Tagatat Tejasen,Chairman Deptt of Anatomy Chiang Mai University, Thailand embraced Islam during the 8th Saudi Medical Cnference,Riyadh when reading a Quranic verse on pain (receptors) in human body;
(CONTD) and that many of the statements made in there at that time could not be proven but that modern scientific methods are now in a position to prove what Mohammad have said 1400 years ago."(END)
(CONTD)"If you combine all these statements that are being made in the Quran, in terms that relate to the earth, the formation of the earth and science in general, you can basically say that the statements made there, in many ways, are true. They can now be confirmed by scientific methods, and in a way you can say that the Quran is a simple science text book for the simple man (CONTD)
Prof Kroner:(youtube:Prof. Alfred Kroner A German Scientist) ""Thinking of many of these questions and thinking where Muhammad came from, he was after all a Bedouin. I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advanced technological methods that this is the case." (CONTD) (CONTD)
Prof(Dr.) Keith Moore chairman anatomy,university of Toronto,Canada ,stated during the 7th Medical Conference in,saudi arabia quote " it has been a pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God or Allah,because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many many centuries later. this proves to me that Muhammad must have been a Messenger of Allah
The US state of Massachusetts General Laws states (chapter 272 section 36) " Whosoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation,government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus,Christ or Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt & ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail.....
Begin, Menachem (1913–1992);the first Likud Prime Minister of Israel was also Chief Commander of Irgun, the Israeli Terrorist Organisation responsible for King David Hotel bombing on 22 July, 1946;the then British government had declared Begin Menachem as an international terrorist; this is historical record;
QURAN is not a written Book like earlier ones but 'KALAMULLAH' a direct sermon delivered by Allah to humanity if they would like to ponder;here is a specimen of Allah's speech addressed to his creatures:
go to Youtube & search "Surah Rahman - Beautiful and Heart trembling Quran recitation by Syed Sadaqat Ali"
how dare you post this video that disagrees with my beliefs!!!! you are so HATEFUL! YOU R A TERRORIST BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME AND POST IT ON THE INTERNET ! and you hurt my feelings .... next time before you say something on the internet make sure that no one will disagree or be offended by it . asom uh lake em be up on you
I'm a Muslim. Very proud to be one. In the past few years, we have been severely mistreated and misunderstood by many. For the most part, I don't care. Because in life, we have to experience the good and the bad. There's no escaping it. But, there come times when you just can't help but feel like a victim.
Your kind words moved me, good sir. From reading the title of the video. I was expecting another person talking about his rights in freedom of speech ...
@gadgetnoob .... but to my surprise I find a good person using his brain and heart to defend us. I don't know what to say. I just want to give you my sincerest gratitude. So, thank you very much. May God bless you.
Just those in power? In April 2009, Afghan President Karzai came close to passing a bill legalizing the rape of a woman by her husband, once every four days. Due to the furor from the international community, the bill was struck down. Keep in mind, this happened in the democratic republic of Afghanistan, newly established in cooperation with the west. And who urged the passing of this law? The powerful, or ordinary civilians? However benevolent an individual may be, Islam is a hateful ideology.
These theocracies represent the mainstream current of thought in Islam. It's the few moderates who disavow theocracy that are out of step, not the other way around. And they are not simply content to live and let live, as you and I are. They are determined to subjugate all nations, all people, to Islam. Within a few generations' time that may well be the case in Europe.
Right. Sometime later the Enlightenment came along and pacified those tendencies in Judeo-Christian ethics. Among other things, we can now critique and insult those religions with total legal impunity, and generally without incident of violence. There needs to be a analogous secular awakening in the Muslim world.
Muslims are taught that the most appropriate response to the denigration of Islam is a feeling of indignation and outrage. And you seem to be sensitive to that insofar as you think moderate, non-violent Muslims are undeservedly hurt by depictions of Muhammad. I'm saying that it's possible for people to contain and manage these feelings. In fact, it's part of daily life in a modern, civil society. You could potentially encounter any number of things that offend your sensibilities.
@magritte128 That is very true, however, is it not extremely insensitive, hateful even, to intentionally hurt another? Has concern for the "golden rule" of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." been changed to "Do whatever to get what you want or think is best?" If it has, I am afraid the whole world is doomed to hate, violence, and death. I still hope for peace and understanding.
@WolfElvendar It's a form of ideological hatred at work, yes, but considering what the bulk of Muslims living in the east believe with regard to religious apostasy and the ensuing conflict with Western ideals of liberalism and tolerance, well, it's either a war of ideas, or a war of physical conflict and bloodshed. I don't think we can afford to stand idly by and negate the whole of how we live and think for the sake of not offending others.
@magritte128 I have watched people act in hate towards anyone with dark skin. An example was an ignorant white man saying, "Stupid F-ing Muslim!" to a man in a gas station that was Indian (was also Hindu, not Muslim!) People look for vents for their hate and allow it to build and don't care about the innocents they hurt, instead of learning to control their anger.
@magritte128 It is also not just a Muslim trait to respond to denigration with indignation and outrage. Atheists do so at the mention of religion. Christians do it at their own perceived blasphemies (even the making of Harry Potter for some dumb reason.) Americans when another country doesn't want their "help." People that drive the speed limit to speeders, and speeders to those that go the speed limit in their cars. People live in anger and outrage. Its a shame, but a universal trait.
@WolfElvendar People feel threatened by those who disagree with them, no doubt about that. Traditionally, though, it's a matter of course for Muslims to call for the slaughter of those who insult Islam, and that still occurs in countries where Shari'a law is upheld. Causing offense, by the way, is not a form of terrorism. Just look to your own mind to see how quickly anger dissipates and is forgotten. Being burned alive or having your skin flayed off, on the other hand.. very different.
@magritte128 I think you are talking more about the actions of certain countries political ideals more then Muslims. This is the root of the problem. They say the things they do are in the name of Islam, but that doesn't mean it is the teachings of Islam. People want to bunch ALL Muslims into one group when they see actions taken by certain societies or groups that say they are Muslim. They use it as an excuse to hate and oppress a group.
@WolfElvendar There is no concept of separation of church and state in Islam. In fact, the two are inseparably conflated; the heads of state are clerics. Sharia law is believed to be God's law, so yes, it is fair to say that these policies are in fact the teaching of Islam. They may well be ignored by Muslims living in the west, but the fact is that Islam is an ideology that exists independently of whatever any individual practices or believes. That's what's under attack, here.
@magritte128 Most of the major religions hold that state should be founded on the laws that God gave them; Judaism, Christianity. The nation of Israel was supposed to be an example to the world of the perfection that could be achieved on earth if man only followed the laws of God according to the Torah, which is also the beginning of the Christian Bible. Christianity Ruled most of the world for almost a millennium, murdering (by their laws) all those that did not bow to their declarations.
@magritte128 Once again I think it is unfair to judge all that claim to participate in a religion over that. The countries you are talking about are theocracies. It does not speak for what the religion is though. It speaks of those in power in that area.
@muhammadfuckedAkid I'm sorry you have seen that in several countries. The Muslims here that I have met do not. The Christians here (some of them) do however. Should I look just at the bad Christians and say all are that way? Face it there are bad people in the world. Why is it that when a few Muslims are bad people want to say they all are?
@WolfElvendar Essentially you're saying we should absolve Muslims from responsibility over their own feelings, yes? Here is a better idea, for us all: stop taking what others say so seriously. They can even resort to that tired monotheistic cliche in response to skepticism, and insist that the infidels are hard-hearted, and unable to truly see God in that ancient, Barbaric rag known as the Koran/Torah/Bible. Whatever.. anything to curb the mass stupidity..
@magritte128 Who said absolve anyone from responsibility for their own feelings? I don't understand what you mean by that. Could you help me understand what you mean?
@muhammadfuckedAkid You make the mistake of judging groups that claim they are Muslims with those that follow the teachings. I can sit in a driveway and say I am a car, but it does not make it so. Many Christians go to church on Sunday, and say they are a Christian, but do not follow the teachings of Yeshua (Jesus.) In the same way, terrorist groups claim to be Muslim, but do not follow the teaching. Leaders twist scripture to suit their own desires, but it doesn't make it pure.
@muhammadfuckedAkid Scientists never learn new things without first imagining them. Hypothesis come from wondering, and imaginative thinking. Evidence comes later. If you believe little green men do whatever, and allow it to shape who you are, then you are who you have allowed yourself to become. That I can respect. I don't have to believe the same to respect the process.
@muhammadfuckedAkid You tend to ignore how Christianity "infects" the law systems of so very many countries. I in separation of church and state, but the US and Great Britain need a major overhaul for that to be.
Science and evolution do not mean the scriptures are not full of truth, IF you look at many of the lessons as parable, or metaphor. You cannot look to books on psychology to explain cell biology, or religious books for info on biological development. Each for their own place.
@muhammadfuckedAkid However, your belief that there is no God or angels is also a personal belief. Science often proves itself wrong later, therefore trust is science can also be considered a personal belief, and I AM a scientist. In my belief system, there is room for both science and religion. Maybe there isn't room in yours, but that doesn't mean it doesn't fit into another person's. No one's belief should be allowed to hurt others, otherwise, its all good.
@muhammadfuckedAkid This is an important issue u r raising here - and by the way- u r obviously an intelligent person and u do undermind yourself by choosing the F ID name for yourself.
Now before I take this further- what is the name of the translator of the Quran u r reading from- coz there r fake translations like Khalifa and Penguins.
@muhammadfuckedAkid No one says you have to like or believe anyone else's religion. Respect is what I am talking about. Respect the right of someone else to believe different from you. There is room in the world for us all: room for different beliefs, religions, likes and attributes. You don't have to swallow anyone else's pill, but to deny them that right, means you give up your own rights as well. "He that judges will be judged, and by the same measure by which he judges."
@muhammadfuckedAkid No religion can prove God. God is proved only in the hearts of those that seek Him. No one can make a man deny God if he has truly found Him. Yes it is true that religious texts have contradictions, but to everyone that has read ANY religious text with an open heart seeking God finds the text meaning changes as the person grows. Different answers come when you are ready for that level of truth. That is part of the great mystery available in religions.
@muhammadfuckedAkid First of all, by not recognizing the importance of zero you show your total and utter ignorance. You talk about science and scientific proof, but deny the scientific importance of the concept of zero. That was just one example of many advances in mathematics, astronomy, language, biology, and many others that occurred way before European scientists, and before America even existed.
@AlMujadyla That sounds quite interesting. I have heard many Christian professors talk about how their beliefs fit into their concepts of evolutionary biology. It would be very fascinating to hear how a Muslim professor would describe the same type of information. Muslim scientists and mathematicians paved the way for many of the sciences, even discovering the concept of zero long before Europeans.
I sincerely hope sometime you read the Quran and make a better informed decision. You might say you have nothing against a particular followers of any religion and that you vid is only about freedom of speach- fine - But still we can turn a negative experience to a positive one by reading and forstering more mutual understanding.
@AlMujadyla I am not sure I understand what you saying here? I was saying I was against drawing of Muhammad, but your statement sounds like you thought I was for it. Did you assume that I was supporting those drawing Muhammad from the title, did you not watch the video, or am I just misunderstanding you. I have read a good part of the Quran, and am still reading it. My statement was that having a right does not mean you should wield it in ways that hurt, such as "Draw Muhammad Day" does.
@AlMujadyla No problem. Draw Muhammad day was frustrating for me. I saw many well meaning, normally kind people participate that were ignorant of what they were really doing. I guess the good side of it is that there have been many people that have become curious about Islam, and have educated themselves more.
you dont think its a little off that south park insults christians without mercy in many episodes and the networks have no problem broadcasting that but they wont broadcast episodes that insult muslims? draw muhammad day is a way to show muslims that we dont have to follow their rules and we dont have to respect them any more than any other religion. youre right, most muslims are peaceful, but members of many religions get crap for what they believe regardless and muslims are no different.
@xnightxamex Congratulations, because I think that is the best phrased argument I think I have seen trying to support the draw Mohammad day.
Truth is that Christians have called for SouthPark to come down too. They have boycotted and protested too. SP makes it a practice to take anything anyone considers sacred and defame it. Personally I watched a couple episodes and was quite turned off, and never watched it again. One thing though, is this is not just SP. This is a call for everyone...
@xnightxamex to join in the mocking with SP. It gets normally respecting citizens to join in at insulting another group because they believe differently. MANY of the people that participated in the draw Muhammad day would never feel it was right for that kind of concentrated action to be taken against their own beliefs, but feel it is ok because they still equate Islam with terrorism. Many would never do it to any other group, like the handicapped, such as SP has had a heyday of making fun of
@xnightxamex If you don't feel right taunting people in wheelchairs, why Muslims. I know it is a little jump in logic due to the fact that many do not choose to be in wheelchairs, but it was just an example. No one has called for everyone to wear shirts that show Jesus in a gay relationship just because some Christians boycotted the Harry Potter books and claimed it was witchcraft, evil, and demonic. Why do something to tick off the Muslims. Treat all groups equally.
It is amazing how some people make assumptions of what a video says without watching them. You bring up great points. I might not have considered them.
@deathscytheduo2 I'll say it once again, Did you even watch the video? Your comments seem to be unrelated to the points made, and your are not formulating anything near an intelligent argument.
@deathscytheduo2 The Jewish Torah and Haftorah, which also happens to be the Christian old testament, is full of orders from God to commit genocide. The crusades were far worse then what the extremists are doing now, and the entire leadership of the church was behind it. According to what you said, for them to fully follow their beliefs, the crusades should never have ended, and Christians and Jews would better follow their beliefs by killing everyone who don't believe?
as I commented on another video, their religion forbids them from drawing muhammad, we are not in their religion, and your comparisons are absurd
you can compare it to all the other things we do, they forbid pork in their religion, we blatantly eat ham and bacon in public, muslims cannot avoid this
we work on saturdays, jews cannot avoid this BLATANT disrespect of their cherished beliefs
you make absurd claims of terrorism but we are expressing our own freedoms
you are indeed guilty of the same fallacy as all the believers, you exclude the parts of a religion and claim they aren't TRUE believers because they follow different parts of the religion, but in reality you are the bigot, you are the one who doesn't get what you're talking about
we will not respect this absurd expectation that we follow their religion's tennants any more than we stop blood transfusions because mormons are against it or stop working on saturday
@deathscytheduo2 You are starting to form some points, so yes, it is much more intelligent. Being able to express your opinion without attacking the person you are discussing with would be the next step.
There is a huge difference between following another person's religion, and respecting their beliefs, and respecting them as people. To say all Christians believe that handling snakes is a proper test of your faithfulness in God, would not be correct, true?
@deathscytheduo2 Handling of snakes is definitely mentioned in the Christian scriptures, but it has been pulled out of context. Many times scriptures are pulled out of context to serve one person, or group's desires, and to control a group of people. This does not mean there is not value in the true meanings that are in the scripture.
to respond to this snakes thing, it has been found that most likely that the lines about drinking deadly poisons and handling deadly snakes was not in the original text, so that is rather a moot point
@deathscytheduo2 It was in a couple of the gospels. The point is, just because it says they "could" handle snakes and drink poisons, doesn't mean they should. Are far as "it has been found" it would be interesting to see your sources.
I could go on about the christians all day, but this isn't even part of my point or at all related to this video
it was one line in two of the gospels, and only one of them speaks of poison and HANDLING snakes, which is the one that is also contested, I could find 10 dubious scientific fact links, or I could just post ondoctrine.c om/faqs/0faqs016.htm which seems to show that no one that is well informed believes mark originally ended as it is now or google it yourself
@deathscytheduo2 One definition of violence is "injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or profanation" (Mirriam Webster). Yes it is not killing, or murder, but it is still a violent act. I still say it is not right to punish the innocent for the sake of the guilty.
as I already stated they are guilty of distorting the religion they follow in just as many ways as the extremist, pretending that the hateful and outright disgusting passages the idiots follow aren't in their books(which they are)
they refuse to stand up and face these people, so they have no right to fault us when we do it.
if they want us to respect them, THEY should be the ones standing up to the extremists and facing death threats
Finally, someone who talks logic and respect others beliefs.
My beef with this ( and I'm a Muslim ), aside from the offensive thing, is the shock that people can be so ignorant about the world they live in.People think the world is centered around themselves, think they know it so well and judge it by their standards. They eat cows everyday, when they find out other civ. consider them holy they go berserk. Poor perception, yes, but taking action based on that is rubbish.
@Medifro So very true. I think people have always had trouble dealing with how large and diverse the world is. For many people there is a learned defense mechanism that involves being so deep in a familiar community of people like themselves that they tend to shut out and fear the rest of the world. In doing so they miss most of the beauty the world has to offer. They believe that other cultures are what they have been told instead of finding out for themselves.
so you are saying that muhammad should be immune to us for draw him? and if we do it they can kill us? i didnt get it and if you say well they dont have the right of killing us well what about when they draw jesus or buda or any other religion figure.
its just if they are not gonna grow up and accept that other people have they right to say or draw whatever they want about their religion or religion figure well i dont see how that religion will survive in the modern world
No group can hope to foster a sense of respect for their conception of the sacred by using violence. They will only breed resentment, and that is something the West desperately needs to make clear to the Islamic world. That is the whole point of the exercise. If the 'true followers of the Qu'ran' are so amiable and peace-loving, as you say, they could perhaps approach religious denigration as an exercise in patience, mercy, and forgiveness, in emulation of God's grace.
@magritte128 They could also condemn acts of violence in the name of Islam rather than just re-iterating how offensive Muslims find depictions of Mohammed, with the tacit implication of just desserts for the west. If you think the suggested spiritual exercise is unreasonable, well, they are the aspiring saints, after all, but they're human yet, and they need the practice. The irreligious at least have the advantage of not being held to a super-human standard of morality. What is their excuse?
@magritte128 You are judging a huge group, on a few people. Get out there and meet Muslims that follow the Koran, and talk with them in an interest to learn about them. You make judgments based on what the media sensationalism shows, or musings of the uninformed. If you want to learn vector calculus you don't go to your average car mechanic to learn it, you go to a mathematician. In the same way, if you want to learn about Islam, ask a Muslim. Its not YOUR job to train saints.
@WolfElvendar Not my job to train saints, no, but I think I have a valid point. The rules concerning production of religious icons, among most of the major religions, are often soundly trumped by fundamental principles like tolerance, peace, respect, etc. If Muslim outrage is so easily directly at this issue, with so little concern over violence that may be done in retribution, well, based on that cursory observation, it does not reflect favorably on Islam.
@magritte128 I think you forget the outrage other religions have had in similar circumstances. An Example would be when photographer Andres Serrano put a crucifix in urine and called it art back in 1987. There was a huge fight then about freedom of speech that tried to justify that action.
If you are having trouble seeing the morals of Muslims, then you need to get to know some. You can't just believe what others have told you. If you look you will probably find a mosque near you.
@WolfElvendar The Piss Christ controversy did not result in any deaths or even cases of minor injury that I'm aware. Doubtless the guy received death threats, and yes, people were very upset, from what I remember. But that is an example that falls more within the domain of what I'm talking about: basic Christian principles of peace and forgiveness trumped any impulse to violence.
@WolfElvendar One more point: Muslims here, westernized as they've been, are likely to give a very different take on things than those in Saudi Arabia, say, where the legal penalty for apostasy or practicing any religion other than Islam is public execution, by beheading. I would like to entertain some naive idea that the Muslim world farts roses and sunshine. Truly, I would. But I am desperately grasping for some reasonable moral standard among Muslims, and I can't find one.
@WolfElvendar Alas, one more thing: what is wrong with judging huge groups? We humans are pigs. Any virtue that an individual possesses diminishes no less than five times when he is acts along with any two other people on political or religious grounds. This is practically a Newtonian law. And there plenty of places one can go to learn vector calculus. The literature, for instance.
@magritte128 There may also be a Muslim group at a college nearby. Get to know a few, and I think you will find the morals you believe to be lacking. You cannot believe the media. Their job is to SELL papers and TV, not to tell the truth. It should be their job, but more often, they spread misinformation.
@WolfElvendar Well, let's see. There is a Muslim student group at my university. I grew up across the street from a Muslim family, whom my brother and I befriended and hung out with. They were very traditional, but more or less in the mold that you describe. My more recent experience was with a young Western couple who converted from Christianity at 19. They were kind of fanatical. You seem more inclined to believe that the better aspects of human nature will prevail. I'm very doubtful.
6:37 OMG that is so true, man you are an amazing person i love the video so much, such a brilliant thoughts you have. and yes I am a muslim and I DON'T consider those exstremist are muslim, they are not based on the Qura'n. i love you in sake of god.
I appreciate what you try to do. Cases you don't know: Westergaard, Vilks, Theo van Gogh, Hirsi Ali. Talisma Nasrin, Rushdie. Yes free speech is a responsibility. If people take harm we have the responsibility to speak. It is not terrorism to display Muhammed. The prophet (pbuh) has been depicted through history. A smiling stick figure with a common name attached to it is not terror. It's friendship. I stand by any good person and respect them and can only hope they reciprocate.
@socrates856 Yes, Muhammed has been depicted at different times in history, but do you think that drawing Muhammed as a stick figure, or a bear in a turban is the same thing? These are not drawings made out of respect, but are meant to anger. The collateral damage that occurs. Good people have what they hold as sacred defamed and degraded. There is no respect in that. It is an abuse of the right of free speech to use it in a way that hurts innocents.
I am aware that many artists, activists, and writers like the ones you listed above have been harmed or killed by extremists (and thanks for bringing up their names for reference), but that still does not allow the defamation of that which many innocent people hold dear.
@socrates856 I know you are trying to be more sensitive then many others, however, when the belief of many, many Muslims is that no image should be made, it is. In reality, I'm not the one that you should be asking if it is defamation. Did you talk to and Muslims before deciding to be a part of this, and try to understand their beliefs on this matter? I know the point your trying to make, and you are trying to find a way to do it with more sensitivity then many, Well meaning can still hurt.
@WolfElvendar I'm happy to say that I got comments from Muslims that appreciated my message and approach and found it not offensive. In fact they said it stimulated positive inclusive dialogue. Should I be silent to prevent that so that the more sensitive are not offended? I'm sorry but I cannot. We should not stop doing positive things because some claim it's negative.
@socrates856 Its a pity they did not feel able to post their response as a comment on your video or channel page, but there may well be good reasons for that. My position is not that we should not doing positive things because some claim it is negative. Attention has been drawn (positive and negative) to Islam from this campaign. Good can come from bad things, but that does not proclaim the thing to be good. To harm the innocent many, is not justifiable for the few bad.
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Prof Tagatat Tejasen,Chairman Deptt of Anatomy Chiang Mai University, Thailand embraced Islam during the 8th Saudi Medical Cnference,Riyadh when reading a Quranic verse on pain (receptors) in human body;
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(CONTD) and that many of the statements made in there at that time could not be proven but that modern scientific methods are now in a position to prove what Mohammad have said 1400 years ago."(END)
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(CONTD)"If you combine all these statements that are being made in the Quran, in terms that relate to the earth, the formation of the earth and science in general, you can basically say that the statements made there, in many ways, are true. They can now be confirmed by scientific methods, and in a way you can say that the Quran is a simple science text book for the simple man (CONTD)
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Prof Kroner:(youtube:Prof. Alfred Kroner A German Scientist) ""Thinking of many of these questions and thinking where Muhammad came from, he was after all a Bedouin. I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advanced technological methods that this is the case." (CONTD) (CONTD)
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Prof(Dr.) Keith Moore chairman anatomy,university of Toronto,Canada ,stated during the 7th Medical Conference in,saudi arabia quote " it has been a pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God or Allah,because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many many centuries later. this proves to me that Muhammad must have been a Messenger of Allah
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lets analyse america;
[i] highest rates of (a) suicides (b) STD (c ) herpes
[ii] economy in shambles, deficit exceeds $12 trillions
[iii] civil liberties of people severly curtailed after 9/11
[iv] militarily defeated in vietnam, iraq, afghanistan
[v] a beggar, crying for economic assistance from china & india
[vi] a foreign policy based on double-standards & high-handedness
[vii] a country on the verge of financial & political collapse (russian analysts)
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The US state of Massachusetts General Laws states (chapter 272 section 36) " Whosoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation,government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus,Christ or Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt & ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail.....
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Begin, Menachem (1913–1992);the first Likud Prime Minister of Israel was also Chief Commander of Irgun, the Israeli Terrorist Organisation responsible for King David Hotel bombing on 22 July, 1946;the then British government had declared Begin Menachem as an international terrorist; this is historical record;
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QURAN is not a written Book like earlier ones but 'KALAMULLAH' a direct sermon delivered by Allah to humanity if they would like to ponder;here is a specimen of Allah's speech addressed to his creatures:
go to Youtube & search "Surah Rahman - Beautiful and Heart trembling Quran recitation by Syed Sadaqat Ali"
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how dare you post this video that disagrees with my beliefs!!!! you are so HATEFUL! YOU R A TERRORIST BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME AND POST IT ON THE INTERNET ! and you hurt my feelings .... next time before you say something on the internet make sure that no one will disagree or be offended by it . asom uh lake em be up on you
uewVumopVapIsVdn 9 months ago
I'm a Muslim. Very proud to be one. In the past few years, we have been severely mistreated and misunderstood by many. For the most part, I don't care. Because in life, we have to experience the good and the bad. There's no escaping it. But, there come times when you just can't help but feel like a victim.
Your kind words moved me, good sir. From reading the title of the video. I was expecting another person talking about his rights in freedom of speech ...
gadgetnoob 1 year ago
@gadgetnoob .... but to my surprise I find a good person using his brain and heart to defend us. I don't know what to say. I just want to give you my sincerest gratitude. So, thank you very much. May God bless you.
gadgetnoob 1 year ago
Just those in power? In April 2009, Afghan President Karzai came close to passing a bill legalizing the rape of a woman by her husband, once every four days. Due to the furor from the international community, the bill was struck down. Keep in mind, this happened in the democratic republic of Afghanistan, newly established in cooperation with the west. And who urged the passing of this law? The powerful, or ordinary civilians? However benevolent an individual may be, Islam is a hateful ideology.
magritte128 1 year ago
These theocracies represent the mainstream current of thought in Islam. It's the few moderates who disavow theocracy that are out of step, not the other way around. And they are not simply content to live and let live, as you and I are. They are determined to subjugate all nations, all people, to Islam. Within a few generations' time that may well be the case in Europe.
magritte128 1 year ago
Right. Sometime later the Enlightenment came along and pacified those tendencies in Judeo-Christian ethics. Among other things, we can now critique and insult those religions with total legal impunity, and generally without incident of violence. There needs to be a analogous secular awakening in the Muslim world.
magritte128 1 year ago
Muslims are taught that the most appropriate response to the denigration of Islam is a feeling of indignation and outrage. And you seem to be sensitive to that insofar as you think moderate, non-violent Muslims are undeservedly hurt by depictions of Muhammad. I'm saying that it's possible for people to contain and manage these feelings. In fact, it's part of daily life in a modern, civil society. You could potentially encounter any number of things that offend your sensibilities.
magritte128 1 year ago
@magritte128 That is very true, however, is it not extremely insensitive, hateful even, to intentionally hurt another? Has concern for the "golden rule" of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." been changed to "Do whatever to get what you want or think is best?" If it has, I am afraid the whole world is doomed to hate, violence, and death. I still hope for peace and understanding.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar It's a form of ideological hatred at work, yes, but considering what the bulk of Muslims living in the east believe with regard to religious apostasy and the ensuing conflict with Western ideals of liberalism and tolerance, well, it's either a war of ideas, or a war of physical conflict and bloodshed. I don't think we can afford to stand idly by and negate the whole of how we live and think for the sake of not offending others.
magritte128 1 year ago
@magritte128 I have watched people act in hate towards anyone with dark skin. An example was an ignorant white man saying, "Stupid F-ing Muslim!" to a man in a gas station that was Indian (was also Hindu, not Muslim!) People look for vents for their hate and allow it to build and don't care about the innocents they hurt, instead of learning to control their anger.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@magritte128 It is also not just a Muslim trait to respond to denigration with indignation and outrage. Atheists do so at the mention of religion. Christians do it at their own perceived blasphemies (even the making of Harry Potter for some dumb reason.) Americans when another country doesn't want their "help." People that drive the speed limit to speeders, and speeders to those that go the speed limit in their cars. People live in anger and outrage. Its a shame, but a universal trait.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar People feel threatened by those who disagree with them, no doubt about that. Traditionally, though, it's a matter of course for Muslims to call for the slaughter of those who insult Islam, and that still occurs in countries where Shari'a law is upheld. Causing offense, by the way, is not a form of terrorism. Just look to your own mind to see how quickly anger dissipates and is forgotten. Being burned alive or having your skin flayed off, on the other hand.. very different.
magritte128 1 year ago
@magritte128 I think you are talking more about the actions of certain countries political ideals more then Muslims. This is the root of the problem. They say the things they do are in the name of Islam, but that doesn't mean it is the teachings of Islam. People want to bunch ALL Muslims into one group when they see actions taken by certain societies or groups that say they are Muslim. They use it as an excuse to hate and oppress a group.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar There is no concept of separation of church and state in Islam. In fact, the two are inseparably conflated; the heads of state are clerics. Sharia law is believed to be God's law, so yes, it is fair to say that these policies are in fact the teaching of Islam. They may well be ignored by Muslims living in the west, but the fact is that Islam is an ideology that exists independently of whatever any individual practices or believes. That's what's under attack, here.
magritte128 1 year ago
@magritte128 Most of the major religions hold that state should be founded on the laws that God gave them; Judaism, Christianity. The nation of Israel was supposed to be an example to the world of the perfection that could be achieved on earth if man only followed the laws of God according to the Torah, which is also the beginning of the Christian Bible. Christianity Ruled most of the world for almost a millennium, murdering (by their laws) all those that did not bow to their declarations.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@magritte128 Once again I think it is unfair to judge all that claim to participate in a religion over that. The countries you are talking about are theocracies. It does not speak for what the religion is though. It speaks of those in power in that area.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@muhammadfuckedAkid I'm sorry you have seen that in several countries. The Muslims here that I have met do not. The Christians here (some of them) do however. Should I look just at the bad Christians and say all are that way? Face it there are bad people in the world. Why is it that when a few Muslims are bad people want to say they all are?
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar Essentially you're saying we should absolve Muslims from responsibility over their own feelings, yes? Here is a better idea, for us all: stop taking what others say so seriously. They can even resort to that tired monotheistic cliche in response to skepticism, and insist that the infidels are hard-hearted, and unable to truly see God in that ancient, Barbaric rag known as the Koran/Torah/Bible. Whatever.. anything to curb the mass stupidity..
magritte128 1 year ago
@magritte128 Who said absolve anyone from responsibility for their own feelings? I don't understand what you mean by that. Could you help me understand what you mean?
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
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magritte128 1 year ago
@muhammadfuckedAkid You make the mistake of judging groups that claim they are Muslims with those that follow the teachings. I can sit in a driveway and say I am a car, but it does not make it so. Many Christians go to church on Sunday, and say they are a Christian, but do not follow the teachings of Yeshua (Jesus.) In the same way, terrorist groups claim to be Muslim, but do not follow the teaching. Leaders twist scripture to suit their own desires, but it doesn't make it pure.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@muhammadfuckedAkid Scientists never learn new things without first imagining them. Hypothesis come from wondering, and imaginative thinking. Evidence comes later. If you believe little green men do whatever, and allow it to shape who you are, then you are who you have allowed yourself to become. That I can respect. I don't have to believe the same to respect the process.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@muhammadfuckedAkid You tend to ignore how Christianity "infects" the law systems of so very many countries. I in separation of church and state, but the US and Great Britain need a major overhaul for that to be.
Science and evolution do not mean the scriptures are not full of truth, IF you look at many of the lessons as parable, or metaphor. You cannot look to books on psychology to explain cell biology, or religious books for info on biological development. Each for their own place.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@muhammadfuckedAkid However, your belief that there is no God or angels is also a personal belief. Science often proves itself wrong later, therefore trust is science can also be considered a personal belief, and I AM a scientist. In my belief system, there is room for both science and religion. Maybe there isn't room in yours, but that doesn't mean it doesn't fit into another person's. No one's belief should be allowed to hurt others, otherwise, its all good.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@muhammadfuckedAkid This is an important issue u r raising here - and by the way- u r obviously an intelligent person and u do undermind yourself by choosing the F ID name for yourself.
Now before I take this further- what is the name of the translator of the Quran u r reading from- coz there r fake translations like Khalifa and Penguins.
AlMujadyla 1 year ago
@muhammadfuckedAkid No one says you have to like or believe anyone else's religion. Respect is what I am talking about. Respect the right of someone else to believe different from you. There is room in the world for us all: room for different beliefs, religions, likes and attributes. You don't have to swallow anyone else's pill, but to deny them that right, means you give up your own rights as well. "He that judges will be judged, and by the same measure by which he judges."
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@muhammadfuckedAkid No religion can prove God. God is proved only in the hearts of those that seek Him. No one can make a man deny God if he has truly found Him. Yes it is true that religious texts have contradictions, but to everyone that has read ANY religious text with an open heart seeking God finds the text meaning changes as the person grows. Different answers come when you are ready for that level of truth. That is part of the great mystery available in religions.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@muhammadfuckedAkid First of all, by not recognizing the importance of zero you show your total and utter ignorance. You talk about science and scientific proof, but deny the scientific importance of the concept of zero. That was just one example of many advances in mathematics, astronomy, language, biology, and many others that occurred way before European scientists, and before America even existed.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@muhammadfuckedAkid I will send you a commentary by a leading Westenern professor of biology on the subject
AlMujadyla 1 year ago
@AlMujadyla That sounds quite interesting. I have heard many Christian professors talk about how their beliefs fit into their concepts of evolutionary biology. It would be very fascinating to hear how a Muslim professor would describe the same type of information. Muslim scientists and mathematicians paved the way for many of the sciences, even discovering the concept of zero long before Europeans.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
I am a muslim, and i thank you
Zaje45 1 year ago
I sincerely hope sometime you read the Quran and make a better informed decision. You might say you have nothing against a particular followers of any religion and that you vid is only about freedom of speach- fine - But still we can turn a negative experience to a positive one by reading and forstering more mutual understanding.
AlMujadyla 1 year ago
@AlMujadyla I am not sure I understand what you saying here? I was saying I was against drawing of Muhammad, but your statement sounds like you thought I was for it. Did you assume that I was supporting those drawing Muhammad from the title, did you not watch the video, or am I just misunderstanding you. I have read a good part of the Quran, and am still reading it. My statement was that having a right does not mean you should wield it in ways that hurt, such as "Draw Muhammad Day" does.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar Sorrryyyyyyyyyy! The comment was meant for another video and I sincerely thank you.
Best from Arabia!
AlMujadyla 1 year ago
@AlMujadyla No problem. Draw Muhammad day was frustrating for me. I saw many well meaning, normally kind people participate that were ignorant of what they were really doing. I guess the good side of it is that there have been many people that have become curious about Islam, and have educated themselves more.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar You've read some of the Qur'an? Awesome! :-)
What do you think so far?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
you dont think its a little off that south park insults christians without mercy in many episodes and the networks have no problem broadcasting that but they wont broadcast episodes that insult muslims? draw muhammad day is a way to show muslims that we dont have to follow their rules and we dont have to respect them any more than any other religion. youre right, most muslims are peaceful, but members of many religions get crap for what they believe regardless and muslims are no different.
xnightxamex 1 year ago
@xnightxamex Congratulations, because I think that is the best phrased argument I think I have seen trying to support the draw Mohammad day.
Truth is that Christians have called for SouthPark to come down too. They have boycotted and protested too. SP makes it a practice to take anything anyone considers sacred and defame it. Personally I watched a couple episodes and was quite turned off, and never watched it again. One thing though, is this is not just SP. This is a call for everyone...
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@xnightxamex to join in the mocking with SP. It gets normally respecting citizens to join in at insulting another group because they believe differently. MANY of the people that participated in the draw Muhammad day would never feel it was right for that kind of concentrated action to be taken against their own beliefs, but feel it is ok because they still equate Islam with terrorism. Many would never do it to any other group, like the handicapped, such as SP has had a heyday of making fun of
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@xnightxamex If you don't feel right taunting people in wheelchairs, why Muslims. I know it is a little jump in logic due to the fact that many do not choose to be in wheelchairs, but it was just an example. No one has called for everyone to wear shirts that show Jesus in a gay relationship just because some Christians boycotted the Harry Potter books and claimed it was witchcraft, evil, and demonic. Why do something to tick off the Muslims. Treat all groups equally.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
hey i think your rite...these ppl start shit and then when the Muslims do theres they start calling them terrorist
walid1436 1 year ago
It is amazing how some people make assumptions of what a video says without watching them. You bring up great points. I might not have considered them.
TheEMUgrad 1 year ago
Very insightful. I wish more people would think of who they are hurting when that think they are helping.
BioChemNerdy 1 year ago
watch?v=s2IHnWY-i6Y
THIS is the kind of thing being protested with DMD
attempt to get a clue
non-free speech(and actions) goes both ways, we will not accept this kind of action without some kind of repercussions.
we simply aren't the same kind of violent people as those in the video
your buddies can get over PICTURES, we've moved on past thinking pictures are magical
deathscytheduo2 1 year ago
@deathscytheduo2 I'll say it once again, Did you even watch the video? Your comments seem to be unrelated to the points made, and your are not formulating anything near an intelligent argument.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar
you have no points to argue really, the muslims you claim are innocent are guilty of the same thing the extremists are
the religion is not a religion of peace and understanding any more than it is a religion of evil and hatred
your buddies exclude all the parts of it that do not suit them, the parts that say to kill non-believers or convert
the terrorists ignore the parts that say not to kill others and respect others' beliefs
deathscytheduo2 1 year ago
@deathscytheduo2 The Jewish Torah and Haftorah, which also happens to be the Christian old testament, is full of orders from God to commit genocide. The crusades were far worse then what the extremists are doing now, and the entire leadership of the church was behind it. According to what you said, for them to fully follow their beliefs, the crusades should never have ended, and Christians and Jews would better follow their beliefs by killing everyone who don't believe?
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar
as I commented on another video, their religion forbids them from drawing muhammad, we are not in their religion, and your comparisons are absurd
you can compare it to all the other things we do, they forbid pork in their religion, we blatantly eat ham and bacon in public, muslims cannot avoid this
we work on saturdays, jews cannot avoid this BLATANT disrespect of their cherished beliefs
you make absurd claims of terrorism but we are expressing our own freedoms
deathscytheduo2 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar
you are indeed guilty of the same fallacy as all the believers, you exclude the parts of a religion and claim they aren't TRUE believers because they follow different parts of the religion, but in reality you are the bigot, you are the one who doesn't get what you're talking about
we will not respect this absurd expectation that we follow their religion's tennants any more than we stop blood transfusions because mormons are against it or stop working on saturday
intelligent enough?
deathscytheduo2 1 year ago
@deathscytheduo2 You are starting to form some points, so yes, it is much more intelligent. Being able to express your opinion without attacking the person you are discussing with would be the next step.
There is a huge difference between following another person's religion, and respecting their beliefs, and respecting them as people. To say all Christians believe that handling snakes is a proper test of your faithfulness in God, would not be correct, true?
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@deathscytheduo2 Handling of snakes is definitely mentioned in the Christian scriptures, but it has been pulled out of context. Many times scriptures are pulled out of context to serve one person, or group's desires, and to control a group of people. This does not mean there is not value in the true meanings that are in the scripture.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar
to respond to this snakes thing, it has been found that most likely that the lines about drinking deadly poisons and handling deadly snakes was not in the original text, so that is rather a moot point
deathscytheduo2 1 year ago
@deathscytheduo2 It was in a couple of the gospels. The point is, just because it says they "could" handle snakes and drink poisons, doesn't mean they should. Are far as "it has been found" it would be interesting to see your sources.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar
I could go on about the christians all day, but this isn't even part of my point or at all related to this video
it was one line in two of the gospels, and only one of them speaks of poison and HANDLING snakes, which is the one that is also contested, I could find 10 dubious scientific fact links, or I could just post ondoctrine.c om/faqs/0faqs016.htm which seems to show that no one that is well informed believes mark originally ended as it is now or google it yourself
deathscytheduo2 1 year ago
@deathscytheduo2 One definition of violence is "injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or profanation" (Mirriam Webster). Yes it is not killing, or murder, but it is still a violent act. I still say it is not right to punish the innocent for the sake of the guilty.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar
they are in no way innocent.
as I already stated they are guilty of distorting the religion they follow in just as many ways as the extremist, pretending that the hateful and outright disgusting passages the idiots follow aren't in their books(which they are)
they refuse to stand up and face these people, so they have no right to fault us when we do it.
if they want us to respect them, THEY should be the ones standing up to the extremists and facing death threats
til then, no
deathscytheduo2 1 year ago
Very thought provoking.
alydes77 1 year ago
Finally, someone who talks logic and respect others beliefs.
My beef with this ( and I'm a Muslim ), aside from the offensive thing, is the shock that people can be so ignorant about the world they live in.People think the world is centered around themselves, think they know it so well and judge it by their standards. They eat cows everyday, when they find out other civ. consider them holy they go berserk. Poor perception, yes, but taking action based on that is rubbish.
Subscribed and spread
Medifro 1 year ago
@Medifro So very true. I think people have always had trouble dealing with how large and diverse the world is. For many people there is a learned defense mechanism that involves being so deep in a familiar community of people like themselves that they tend to shut out and fear the rest of the world. In doing so they miss most of the beauty the world has to offer. They believe that other cultures are what they have been told instead of finding out for themselves.
Thank You
WolfElvendar 1 year ago 2
so you are saying that muhammad should be immune to us for draw him? and if we do it they can kill us? i didnt get it and if you say well they dont have the right of killing us well what about when they draw jesus or buda or any other religion figure.
its just if they are not gonna grow up and accept that other people have they right to say or draw whatever they want about their religion or religion figure well i dont see how that religion will survive in the modern world
killer33334 1 year ago
@killer33334 Did you even watch the video? Your statements seem quite unrelated.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
No group can hope to foster a sense of respect for their conception of the sacred by using violence. They will only breed resentment, and that is something the West desperately needs to make clear to the Islamic world. That is the whole point of the exercise. If the 'true followers of the Qu'ran' are so amiable and peace-loving, as you say, they could perhaps approach religious denigration as an exercise in patience, mercy, and forgiveness, in emulation of God's grace.
magritte128 1 year ago
@magritte128 They could also condemn acts of violence in the name of Islam rather than just re-iterating how offensive Muslims find depictions of Mohammed, with the tacit implication of just desserts for the west. If you think the suggested spiritual exercise is unreasonable, well, they are the aspiring saints, after all, but they're human yet, and they need the practice. The irreligious at least have the advantage of not being held to a super-human standard of morality. What is their excuse?
magritte128 1 year ago
@magritte128 You are judging a huge group, on a few people. Get out there and meet Muslims that follow the Koran, and talk with them in an interest to learn about them. You make judgments based on what the media sensationalism shows, or musings of the uninformed. If you want to learn vector calculus you don't go to your average car mechanic to learn it, you go to a mathematician. In the same way, if you want to learn about Islam, ask a Muslim. Its not YOUR job to train saints.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar Not my job to train saints, no, but I think I have a valid point. The rules concerning production of religious icons, among most of the major religions, are often soundly trumped by fundamental principles like tolerance, peace, respect, etc. If Muslim outrage is so easily directly at this issue, with so little concern over violence that may be done in retribution, well, based on that cursory observation, it does not reflect favorably on Islam.
magritte128 1 year ago
@magritte128 I think you forget the outrage other religions have had in similar circumstances. An Example would be when photographer Andres Serrano put a crucifix in urine and called it art back in 1987. There was a huge fight then about freedom of speech that tried to justify that action.
If you are having trouble seeing the morals of Muslims, then you need to get to know some. You can't just believe what others have told you. If you look you will probably find a mosque near you.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar The Piss Christ controversy did not result in any deaths or even cases of minor injury that I'm aware. Doubtless the guy received death threats, and yes, people were very upset, from what I remember. But that is an example that falls more within the domain of what I'm talking about: basic Christian principles of peace and forgiveness trumped any impulse to violence.
magritte128 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar One more point: Muslims here, westernized as they've been, are likely to give a very different take on things than those in Saudi Arabia, say, where the legal penalty for apostasy or practicing any religion other than Islam is public execution, by beheading. I would like to entertain some naive idea that the Muslim world farts roses and sunshine. Truly, I would. But I am desperately grasping for some reasonable moral standard among Muslims, and I can't find one.
magritte128 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar Alas, one more thing: what is wrong with judging huge groups? We humans are pigs. Any virtue that an individual possesses diminishes no less than five times when he is acts along with any two other people on political or religious grounds. This is practically a Newtonian law. And there plenty of places one can go to learn vector calculus. The literature, for instance.
magritte128 1 year ago
@magritte128 There may also be a Muslim group at a college nearby. Get to know a few, and I think you will find the morals you believe to be lacking. You cannot believe the media. Their job is to SELL papers and TV, not to tell the truth. It should be their job, but more often, they spread misinformation.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar Well, let's see. There is a Muslim student group at my university. I grew up across the street from a Muslim family, whom my brother and I befriended and hung out with. They were very traditional, but more or less in the mold that you describe. My more recent experience was with a young Western couple who converted from Christianity at 19. They were kind of fanatical. You seem more inclined to believe that the better aspects of human nature will prevail. I'm very doubtful.
magritte128 1 year ago
You are very insightful. I wish the people in the limelight of the world were like you.
MasterGiffica25 1 year ago
6:37 OMG that is so true, man you are an amazing person i love the video so much, such a brilliant thoughts you have. and yes I am a muslim and I DON'T consider those exstremist are muslim, they are not based on the Qura'n. i love you in sake of god.
god bless you, very proud of you
a7medsarCA 1 year ago
I must say that I am most impressed with my heart at peace after watching this video. Beautiful and wise.. Peace for all mankind.. Amin
r80mmy 1 year ago
I appreciate what you try to do. Cases you don't know: Westergaard, Vilks, Theo van Gogh, Hirsi Ali. Talisma Nasrin, Rushdie. Yes free speech is a responsibility. If people take harm we have the responsibility to speak. It is not terrorism to display Muhammed. The prophet (pbuh) has been depicted through history. A smiling stick figure with a common name attached to it is not terror. It's friendship. I stand by any good person and respect them and can only hope they reciprocate.
socrates856 1 year ago
@socrates856 Yes, Muhammed has been depicted at different times in history, but do you think that drawing Muhammed as a stick figure, or a bear in a turban is the same thing? These are not drawings made out of respect, but are meant to anger. The collateral damage that occurs. Good people have what they hold as sacred defamed and degraded. There is no respect in that. It is an abuse of the right of free speech to use it in a way that hurts innocents.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@socrates856
I am aware that many artists, activists, and writers like the ones you listed above have been harmed or killed by extremists (and thanks for bringing up their names for reference), but that still does not allow the defamation of that which many innocent people hold dear.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar A smiling stick figure is no defamation. Check out my video and let me know if you find it defaming in any way.
socrates856 1 year ago
@socrates856 I know you are trying to be more sensitive then many others, however, when the belief of many, many Muslims is that no image should be made, it is. In reality, I'm not the one that you should be asking if it is defamation. Did you talk to and Muslims before deciding to be a part of this, and try to understand their beliefs on this matter? I know the point your trying to make, and you are trying to find a way to do it with more sensitivity then many, Well meaning can still hurt.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago
@WolfElvendar I'm happy to say that I got comments from Muslims that appreciated my message and approach and found it not offensive. In fact they said it stimulated positive inclusive dialogue. Should I be silent to prevent that so that the more sensitive are not offended? I'm sorry but I cannot. We should not stop doing positive things because some claim it's negative.
socrates856 1 year ago
@socrates856 Its a pity they did not feel able to post their response as a comment on your video or channel page, but there may well be good reasons for that. My position is not that we should not doing positive things because some claim it is negative. Attention has been drawn (positive and negative) to Islam from this campaign. Good can come from bad things, but that does not proclaim the thing to be good. To harm the innocent many, is not justifiable for the few bad.
WolfElvendar 1 year ago