....and to answer your question I'd rather not adopt a reformee, or anyone else, but if I had a Hud for a son (assuming here they come post-raised), I would try to relate to him and help him out of his pretty tragic circumstances, not shut him away in a cage and wash my hands of it... that would be a waste of a helluva guy!
@romancandlefight Hud is a "helluva guy" in the same sense that Bernard Madoff was a "helluva guy." Compare "Hud" to another of Newman's memorable characters, Lucas "Cool Hand Luke" Jackson, who was a genuine rebel, at least according to the A. Camus conception thereof. Hud lacked even that redeeming trait. He was an empty shell who lived solely in what the Hindus call "the lower chakra," driven entirely by his base appetites, satisfying them without regard to the hurt he inflicted on others.
actually that's not true at all. The one time he tries to snatch something by force is when he's obscenely drunk, the rest of the time he charms or outwits others around him with superior intelligence and flair.
@romancandlefight Not intelligence, dear boy/lady, no. Just cunning, stealth, sheer gall, and bullying. It doesn't require much intelligence to crown some pathetic cuckold with antlers.
true, if you watch the film with that conviction from the outset, ignoring the words he speaks, the meaning behind them, and forgetting not only the things Hud does but the things he doesn't do.
the reality is that when it comes to the fine details, your moral convictions are your own, and nobody else's will ever match them, so stop acting like you have ownership over absolute morality, please
@RichardElden Oooooohhhh. Better watch out. Commies are everywhere! Perhaps in your very own domicile!! Boris Badenov himself may well be hiding under your futon!!
@RichardElden To borrow a line from Joseph Welch directed at Joseph McCarthy during the Army-McCarthy hearings, "Have you no shame, sir?" The antisemitic slur is about what I would expect. Do pack it in, little man. You have much to learn of both useful knowledge and civility.
@RichardElden Woe is me. Another adolescent right-wing extremist. Your comment evinces a disturbed mind. I'm stunned that you know enough of the last sixty or so years of U.S. political history to have some notion, however vague and erroneous, of Helen Gahagan Douglas. You should study carefully the 1950 California Senate race between Mrs. Douglas and Mr. Nixon and the slanderous, vicious campaign that Nixon's hatchet man, Murray Chotiner, ran against her. The "Ward Bond" comment is ludicrous.
she lives just for herself and that makes her not fit to live with, aint marriage a bitch. I watch this whenever my wife starts to get to me, to relieve my stress and anger...sad
@paraclete56 I seriously doubt he was colder than my ex-wife. I won't expound on it though. I have had to tell the story to many times in the last 15 months since my divorce. for some reason i don't think Hud would laugh at me when i fall down a stairwell from epileptic seizures and then post it on the internet as a mockery. ok, back to watching the movie. ta-ta.
@ejplc uh i suggest you read the book. I think what the melvyn douglas character says to Paul Newman is chilling and should never be said to a son or daughter. He was definitely not cold on the inside. "I was sick of you a long time ago". he already has the burden of knowing he caused his brother's death. He acts the way he does because basically he is a very lonely character, afraid to show his feelings. you would to if you sensed your father or mother was "sick of you a long time ago."
I just happened to have watched this film today. I haven't seen it since it first came out. Excellent movie. Melvin Douglas aged quite abit since he did Vertigo only five years before. And I don't think it was just makeup.
"Little by little the look of the country changes because of the men we admire." Alas, in the year 2010, the Huds far outnumber the "Wild Horse Homer" Bannons. We have become a nation of "Huds." Yes, the look of the country has changed.
@arkee71 In the heated rant at his father during the above scene, for the first and only time Hud calls Homer "Wild-eyed Homer Bannon." Nota bene, however, that early in the film, when Homer and Lon are seated in a cafe booth, Hud enters with Truman Peters' adulterous wife, approaches the booth, and introduces Homer as "Wild Horse Homer Bannon as he used to be known." Larry McMurtry's book, "Horseman, Pass By," on which the film is based, invariably refers to Hud's father as "Wild Horse Homer."
@shaneu1 youre totally right..i just watched the movie again ....as a i havent seen it in awhile...please accept my apology for the the hasty correction...at any rate i hope we both agree that this movie and paul newman are great...thanks
@arkee71 It's one of those rare films that can be seen time and again, but one never tires of it and always discovers something new with each viewing.
the people bannon admires are probably much worse. The heroes of history are usually 'honourable' in that they seem to have fought for our interests, but in doing so have been instrumental in the exploitation or murder of others. At least Huds don't have the egotism or self-righteousness to be interested in manipulating the masses for their personal gain
@romancandlefight I can't agree with your take on Homer's lament. In essence, Homer describes Hud as an amoral, narcissistic sociopath. Hud would have "manipulated the masses" had he the opportunity; he certainly manipulated, exploited, and hurt those in his narrow little west Texas world. Homer's comment is intended to warn Lon against emulating a low-life like his uncle. I just don't see any rational basis for the spin you placed on Wild Horse Homer's evaluation of his sociopathic son.
I think I've met a lot of 'Huds' in real life, and I don't think they're fundamentally narcissistic, or sociopathic. Hud seems to me to have a real but embittered love for the people close to him, not based on wrote morals like Homer, whose beliefs (including: 'do what you're told and all will be well') have proven unworkable or meaningless in the real world. He is simply human: Having lost his mother and brother, despised by his father and treated with hostility by other men...
@romancandlefight Your moral relativism is the kind of thing that rightly offends Homer. I find a bit obscure your reference to "wrote (sic) morals like Homer...." As for being "simply human," we have reached a point at which far too many abominable behaviors are excused with a shrug and tossed off with the meaningless phrase, "Well, he (she) is only human." Homer sees a world in which principles and standards have become meaningless, one in which humans have descended to the level of animals.
It seems to me Homer's moral instruction is not something he's felt out for himself, but an arbitrary standard he has chosen to believe in simply because it was there before, and then chooses chauvinistically to judge others by it.
What 'abominable behaviors' are you referring to? "Animalistic" is an easy derision to make of anyone's behaviour, but lacks definition.. Could you be more specific? In what way are Homer's actions any less animalistic?
@romancandlefight "Hud" is animalistic in the sense that, like a wild creature or a barnyard domestic, his entire life plays out between his gut and his gonads. He lacks the capacity to bring reason into control over the bestial and appetitive. He's subhuman, in a way. A read of Plato would do you good. Now, I've a query for you. Would you like to have a son like Hud? Perhaps you can adopt one. Just troll through any juvenile reformatory or penal institution. You might even get Alex DeLarge.
It seems to me Huds have the same animal in them as we do. The film gives many hints about Hud being a Lon who grew up in different circumstances. It is understandable to me for someone to take out a measure of the shit that befalls them on other people. Hud does so on himself more than others though, I think, while Homer ends up taking out his on the son he failed to raise.
What would you like to see done to these people you so despise, anyway?
...and with his life's work seemingly impending decimation by an indifferent government (or his father), the naive faith in people Lon expresses is in Hud continually suppressed/eroded, and his behaviour has become self-destructive, caring little for life-for-the-sake-of-life, or love-for-the-sake-of-morality.
Royal.
MrTranswave 4 weeks ago
The other golden scene in this movie occurs when Hud explains to his nephew why he hates himself, and the nephew should hate him too.
cosmicdingo 2 months ago
gay
deco15499 3 months ago
....and to answer your question I'd rather not adopt a reformee, or anyone else, but if I had a Hud for a son (assuming here they come post-raised), I would try to relate to him and help him out of his pretty tragic circumstances, not shut him away in a cage and wash my hands of it... that would be a waste of a helluva guy!
romancandlefight 4 months ago
@romancandlefight Hud is a "helluva guy" in the same sense that Bernard Madoff was a "helluva guy." Compare "Hud" to another of Newman's memorable characters, Lucas "Cool Hand Luke" Jackson, who was a genuine rebel, at least according to the A. Camus conception thereof. Hud lacked even that redeeming trait. He was an empty shell who lived solely in what the Hindus call "the lower chakra," driven entirely by his base appetites, satisfying them without regard to the hurt he inflicted on others.
shaneu1 4 months ago
@shaneu1
actually that's not true at all. The one time he tries to snatch something by force is when he's obscenely drunk, the rest of the time he charms or outwits others around him with superior intelligence and flair.
romancandlefight 4 months ago
@romancandlefight Not intelligence, dear boy/lady, no. Just cunning, stealth, sheer gall, and bullying. It doesn't require much intelligence to crown some pathetic cuckold with antlers.
shaneu1 4 months ago
@shaneu1
true, if you watch the film with that conviction from the outset, ignoring the words he speaks, the meaning behind them, and forgetting not only the things Hud does but the things he doesn't do.
the reality is that when it comes to the fine details, your moral convictions are your own, and nobody else's will ever match them, so stop acting like you have ownership over absolute morality, please
romancandlefight 4 months ago
If I were wanting to learn how to write a good movie scene, this would certainly be a good example to follow.
jaytlr9 5 months ago
@RichardElden I suppose you mean Eugene McCarthy.
shaneu1 6 months ago
@RichardElden Oooooohhhh. Better watch out. Commies are everywhere! Perhaps in your very own domicile!! Boris Badenov himself may well be hiding under your futon!!
shaneu1 6 months ago
@RichardElden To borrow a line from Joseph Welch directed at Joseph McCarthy during the Army-McCarthy hearings, "Have you no shame, sir?" The antisemitic slur is about what I would expect. Do pack it in, little man. You have much to learn of both useful knowledge and civility.
shaneu1 6 months ago
@RichardElden Woe is me. Another adolescent right-wing extremist. Your comment evinces a disturbed mind. I'm stunned that you know enough of the last sixty or so years of U.S. political history to have some notion, however vague and erroneous, of Helen Gahagan Douglas. You should study carefully the 1950 California Senate race between Mrs. Douglas and Mr. Nixon and the slanderous, vicious campaign that Nixon's hatchet man, Murray Chotiner, ran against her. The "Ward Bond" comment is ludicrous.
shaneu1 6 months ago
@RichardElden Wow...so much hate
jimdsnow 6 months ago
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cosmicdingo 6 months ago
douglas was underrated to tears.
roscoegino 7 months ago
@roscoegino I agree.It's possible to score as Oscar, and still be underrated--
cosmicdingo 7 months ago
"My mama loved me, but she died".Killer line.Melvyn Douglas scored an Oscar for this role.
cosmicdingo 7 months ago
Paul Newman is the best actor ever!!! This man has class and it is such a pleasure to watch him on screen. R.I.P. Legend. :)
megaitalia06 7 months ago 4
The greatest line ever uttered in cinema: "Little by little, the look of the country changes because of the men we admire."
I don't think there was ever a more profound statement.
WyldeMax 9 months ago
One of the best scenes ever written.
rpm371 10 months ago 2
she lives just for herself and that makes her not fit to live with, aint marriage a bitch. I watch this whenever my wife starts to get to me, to relieve my stress and anger...sad
sailing915 1 year ago
Yes, all the major actors in "Hud" have died.
Ironically, the youngest, Brandon De Wilde, died first in an automobile accident in 1972 at the age of 30.
Tony
TonyLyndellWilliams 1 year ago
sorry
im sick of the one i was married to
and hud was just as cold, by NOT GIVING A DAMN ABOUT ANYONE BUT HIMSELF. no wonder he ended up alone, cuz the one in my life will too and thats real.
paraclete56 1 year ago
@paraclete56 I seriously doubt he was colder than my ex-wife. I won't expound on it though. I have had to tell the story to many times in the last 15 months since my divorce. for some reason i don't think Hud would laugh at me when i fall down a stairwell from epileptic seizures and then post it on the internet as a mockery. ok, back to watching the movie. ta-ta.
brianCIM 1 year ago
@ejplc uh i suggest you read the book. I think what the melvyn douglas character says to Paul Newman is chilling and should never be said to a son or daughter. He was definitely not cold on the inside. "I was sick of you a long time ago". he already has the burden of knowing he caused his brother's death. He acts the way he does because basically he is a very lonely character, afraid to show his feelings. you would to if you sensed your father or mother was "sick of you a long time ago."
brianCIM 1 year ago
I just realized, every one of the major actors in this movie is dead now.
lray1948 1 year ago
@lray1948 that is sad, but the movie is almost 50 years old. Brandon De wilde dying so young is tragic though
trulysarcastic 2 months ago
on cold lines so?
HE WAS COLD INSIDE, HUD AND THE ONE I WAS MARRIED TO IS JUST LIKE HIM, AND SOMETIMES THE TRUTH HAS TO BE TOLD.
ejplc 1 year ago
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brianCIM 1 year ago
Little by little, the look of the country changes because of the men we admire.
Calsummersishere 1 year ago
"No boy, I was sick of you long along time before that" One of the coldest lines in cinematic history.
trulysarcastic 1 year ago
his grandpa was right, and i unfortunatley was married to one exactly like hud, not worth the breathing space.
ejplc 1 year ago
how come i fgeel like thats my dad talking
rlf1967 1 year ago
I just happened to have watched this film today. I haven't seen it since it first came out. Excellent movie. Melvin Douglas aged quite abit since he did Vertigo only five years before. And I don't think it was just makeup.
GG1man 1 year ago
@GG1man
Melvin Douglas wasn't in Vertigo.
4Topwood 1 year ago
@4Topwood
I stand corrected.
GG1man 1 year ago
Just heard Miss Neal died Sunday of cancer. May she rest in peace...
babyycat 1 year ago
Great scene - thanks for taking care to post it at this resolution. Makes it all the better to watch.
searcherboy 1 year ago
Melvyn Douglas was just doing a Ward Bond impersonation. Very undeserved Oscar.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready bullshit.
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metallicaforewer 1 year ago
"Little by little the look of the country changes because of the men we admire." Alas, in the year 2010, the Huds far outnumber the "Wild Horse Homer" Bannons. We have become a nation of "Huds." Yes, the look of the country has changed.
shaneu1 1 year ago 10
@shaneu1 You said it. Nail hit squarely on the head.
searcherboy 1 year ago
@shaneu1 its"wild eyed homer bannon" not wild horse
arkee71 6 months ago
@arkee71 In the heated rant at his father during the above scene, for the first and only time Hud calls Homer "Wild-eyed Homer Bannon." Nota bene, however, that early in the film, when Homer and Lon are seated in a cafe booth, Hud enters with Truman Peters' adulterous wife, approaches the booth, and introduces Homer as "Wild Horse Homer Bannon as he used to be known." Larry McMurtry's book, "Horseman, Pass By," on which the film is based, invariably refers to Hud's father as "Wild Horse Homer."
shaneu1 6 months ago
@shaneu1 youre totally right..i just watched the movie again ....as a i havent seen it in awhile...please accept my apology for the the hasty correction...at any rate i hope we both agree that this movie and paul newman are great...thanks
arkee71 6 months ago
@arkee71 It's one of those rare films that can be seen time and again, but one never tires of it and always discovers something new with each viewing.
shaneu1 6 months ago
@shaneu1
the people bannon admires are probably much worse. The heroes of history are usually 'honourable' in that they seem to have fought for our interests, but in doing so have been instrumental in the exploitation or murder of others. At least Huds don't have the egotism or self-righteousness to be interested in manipulating the masses for their personal gain
romancandlefight 5 months ago
@romancandlefight I can't agree with your take on Homer's lament. In essence, Homer describes Hud as an amoral, narcissistic sociopath. Hud would have "manipulated the masses" had he the opportunity; he certainly manipulated, exploited, and hurt those in his narrow little west Texas world. Homer's comment is intended to warn Lon against emulating a low-life like his uncle. I just don't see any rational basis for the spin you placed on Wild Horse Homer's evaluation of his sociopathic son.
shaneu1 4 months ago
@shaneu1
I think I've met a lot of 'Huds' in real life, and I don't think they're fundamentally narcissistic, or sociopathic. Hud seems to me to have a real but embittered love for the people close to him, not based on wrote morals like Homer, whose beliefs (including: 'do what you're told and all will be well') have proven unworkable or meaningless in the real world. He is simply human: Having lost his mother and brother, despised by his father and treated with hostility by other men...
romancandlefight 4 months ago
@romancandlefight Your moral relativism is the kind of thing that rightly offends Homer. I find a bit obscure your reference to "wrote (sic) morals like Homer...." As for being "simply human," we have reached a point at which far too many abominable behaviors are excused with a shrug and tossed off with the meaningless phrase, "Well, he (she) is only human." Homer sees a world in which principles and standards have become meaningless, one in which humans have descended to the level of animals.
shaneu1 4 months ago
@shaneu1
It seems to me Homer's moral instruction is not something he's felt out for himself, but an arbitrary standard he has chosen to believe in simply because it was there before, and then chooses chauvinistically to judge others by it.
What 'abominable behaviors' are you referring to? "Animalistic" is an easy derision to make of anyone's behaviour, but lacks definition.. Could you be more specific? In what way are Homer's actions any less animalistic?
romancandlefight 4 months ago
@romancandlefight "Hud" is animalistic in the sense that, like a wild creature or a barnyard domestic, his entire life plays out between his gut and his gonads. He lacks the capacity to bring reason into control over the bestial and appetitive. He's subhuman, in a way. A read of Plato would do you good. Now, I've a query for you. Would you like to have a son like Hud? Perhaps you can adopt one. Just troll through any juvenile reformatory or penal institution. You might even get Alex DeLarge.
shaneu1 4 months ago
@shaneu1
It seems to me Huds have the same animal in them as we do. The film gives many hints about Hud being a Lon who grew up in different circumstances. It is understandable to me for someone to take out a measure of the shit that befalls them on other people. Hud does so on himself more than others though, I think, while Homer ends up taking out his on the son he failed to raise.
What would you like to see done to these people you so despise, anyway?
romancandlefight 4 months ago
@romancandlefight Sounds to me as if you have been reading too much of that purveyor of pulp, Ayn Rand, and her amoral "objectivism."
shaneu1 4 months ago
p.s. wouldn't Alex DeLarge be classed as a psychotic? I think that's a different issue.
romancandlefight 4 months ago
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@shaneu1
...and with his life's work seemingly impending decimation by an indifferent government (or his father), the naive faith in people Lon expresses is in Hud continually suppressed/eroded, and his behaviour has become self-destructive, caring little for life-for-the-sake-of-life, or love-for-the-sake-of-morality.
romancandlefight 4 months ago
One of the most powerful scenes I've ever experienced.
toecutterr6 1 year ago
GreaT Performances ALL-actors !!!
61vanilla 1 year ago
thanks for the reminder of how terrific this film is. what a great scene.
eamonius 2 years ago
Richly deserving of the Oscar he picked up for that role. Great scene!
drtphd 2 years ago