Scientology is the devil's religion and Farrakhan is false teacher and the primary example of Book of Ezekiel 34. Minister Farrakhan is an example of a bad sheperd. He is leading his people astray. Leave that man made religion alone and follow the one true God of the Bilble.
@keivyancy More nonsense as usual. You can't defend your false teachings,so you just make empty statements with no meaning. "GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT" isn't something the NOI practices more like MENTAL STAGNATION AND REGRESSION". I don't lack the knowledge, but NOI members,ministers and founders lack the knowledge though. NOI teachings are completely disagreeable with real science,history and mathematics PERIOD!!!
Zag118 is an agent, half learned, envious person like jeremiah cummings wearing the clothing but no mathematics and science to support his own body frame....
@keivyancy What? you're just putting words together with no meaning, trying to sound deep. If you're an NOI member you know nothing of science and mathematics.
no you're confused I used to believe but I studied and now I don't believe just like I was in the church but I studied and didn't believe in that anymore that doesn't make me a hypocrite. most people in the mosque came from the church and don't believe that anymore does that make them all hypocrite because they don't believe in something they used to believe in?
@Zag118 For me, I NEVER believed what the church taught, and I studied the Nation, and there's nothing that shows me that the teachings are wrong. Unlike you, I believed in this teaching. Now I know it's correct. I still don't really think you were ever in the Nation.
@Originalman320 That's fine that nothing shows you that the teachings are wrong. Your opinion doesn't matter because you don't know enough. That's like a child saying that nothing shows them that santa clause doesn't exist and they continue to believe in santa clause it doesn't matter because the child doesn't know enough. No adult would consider or take serious that child's opinion about santa clause.
The Lies Of VoyageIslam: 1.I'm an American 2.I'm a white man(American) 3.Elijah Poole (Refer to lie 1 and 2) 4.Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) is the last Messenger 5.Prophet Muhammad flew to outer space on a hoarse 6.Staffs can turn into snakes 7.birds made out of playdough can fly 8.Hadith is historically realiable 9.Elijah Muhammad said we're Chinese 10.Elijah Muhammad said we're from the moon. 11.I (voyageislam am a man) 12.I voyageIslam look good in a dress 13.Allah is a spirit.
@bignasxl Wallace Dodd? Are you serious? Who is Wallace Dodd? Are you talking about the same Wallace Dodd that was busted for narcotics in Calafornia? Ok one more time for all of you illiterate niggers who obviously have not drawn from your own experience with the law. Master Fard Muhmmad(TWPIDF) was arrested 3 times while he was in Detroit and Chicago. He raised 25,000 followers in a span of 3 1/2 years, was psychologically evaluated for 4 days. The Feds launched a 40 year investigation into
@bignasxl his whereabouts and you mean to tell me that after all of that, Wallace Dodd Ford comes into the picture in 1963? Surely you've been locked up before. If you were locked up 3 times, made headlines in the local news papers, drew the attention of the FEDS and the CIA and nothing came up about you serving time in SAN QUINTEN you would be shell shocked! You can go ask your boss for another trick and tell him the Wallace Dodd thing doesn't work here.
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em / Take 'em out the hood, keep 'em looking good / But I don't fuckin feed 'em first chance I get I'm breazin talkin bout what's the reason? I'm a pimp in every sense of the bitch betta trust and believe'em.
the information is out there all people have to do is watch, listen to it, and read it...to me ya just sound like a bunch of hypocrite cheerleaders...YES SIR! TEACH ON! lol
Lmao this clown is funny all this is is pretty much NOI damage control...man put a sock in it the only people falling for this crap now is people who are already NOI brainwashed and people who don't know any better...Your boy Farracon is a walking contradiction to those before him and is working with the devil...shoot he's been doing it for years it's just coming to light now...face it you're ultimately preaching for the white man what a shame
@dollarbill125 The people who follow Farrakhan don't drink,smoke.commit adultery,fornicate and they don't commit crimes aganst society.The ones who join in prison clean up and when they get out,they don't go back.Satan hates a person who does this kind of work.So what you say puts you in the camp of Satan.You and your kind,don't want Black people to be righteous.The Blacks that are criminals are so because they believed in your mindset.It is time for a change.All Black should join the NOI.
@arnibah Lol BULL! Just because you follow Farrakhan doesn't automatically mean you don't do any of those things...of course people in jail clean up because they already see the life they've been leading isn't getting them any where...and that puts me in the camp with Satan? Lmao get the hell out of here just because a person doesn't like Farrakhan they're with Satan? How about people see the bullcrap within Farracon, Elijah, and the NOI and are smart enough to not fall for the crap!
@dollarbill125 If anyone who follows Farrakhan is caught commiting any of these sins,they are kicked out of the Nation of Islam.I know this might be shocking to you.You would rather not believe it because you would have to admit that Farrakhan and his followers are the righteous.People join the NOI in jail because they clearly see,if they were in the NOI before they went to jail,they know they would not have commited any crime.
@arnibah Lol at the end of the day people are people and aren't perfect so for me to believe that what you say is the truth is crazy...i've seen people in the nation act otherwise and are still in it...there's no such thing as NOI police lol so how would they even know?...And Farracon is just as fake as some of the things he preaches about...shoot he preaches more hate to me than anything...and what has he done except talk and get rich? Satan was made by god so why Satan held
@arnibah the NOI is just as flawed as the christian church and the rest of these other forms of churches...it's just another money making religion marketed off of oppressed black people and others...religion is just based off of belief so why should i join something I don't believe? And god made the devil so god is more so to blame for the bad things that happen than the devil is...I can't stand religious types of people because ya don't speak with logic...who is Satan?
@dollarbill125 There is an outer Satan and an inner Satan.The outer one are the hidden rulers of the world.The inner one is the negative part of yourself that doesn't want the Highest part of you to wake up and rule.
@arnibah You are completely wrong I was in the NOI and there is mostly nothing but gangsters and hoodrats in there they're no different than the church and the hypocrisy goes all the way to the top. Of course there are some sincere believers in any religion but as far as people in top positions in the NOI they're nothing but gangsters,hoodrats and hypocrites. How many wives does farra-CON have that he doesn't openly admit to? You think Khadijah is happy about that? Farrakhan the con man
@Zag118 You weren't in the NOI.They don't allow devils to join.You think you can fool us because we can't see you.I'm not going to tell you how you give yourself away.But as I said,they don't allow devils to join.
@arnibah Yes I was in the NOI you RETARD all you have to do is write a letter get accepted and then recite student enrollment and actual facts to the captain I did that it's not that hard to do DUMMY! neither gods or devils exist in the real world they're inventions of the human mind. So you calling me a devil has no value.
All of the religions and religious leaders are a joke and con men, scam artists and pimps. You can find audio and video on here (youtube) where l ron hubbard is talking bad about black people and islam. the nation of islam isn't a nation it is nothing but a cult just like scientology. they have a business deal and the deal is to work together and get money from the followers and minister farrakhan is in on it obviously
@Zag118 If you want to see a joke, just look in the mirror. Those that say Min. Farrakhan is doing this for money obviously either doesn't know what they're talking about, or is a liar. Which one are you? Or could you be both?
@Originalman320 Lol! I'm neither. I can observe the moves minister farrakhan is making and I come to the conclusion that he is a fraud like the rest of these religious leaders. scientology was around in the 50's and 60's why didn't Elijah mess with it? And I thought the NOI had supreme wisdom why are yall following white supremacist l ron hubbards wisdom?
@Zag118 Your conclusion is faulty. I've observed him for over 21 years, and my conclusion is different. He's NEVER mislead anyone in his 56 years in the Nation, and 34 being in charge. Yes you are either ignorant or a liar, or both.
@Zag118 You have a bias towards religion, or your screwed up perception of it. You're probably one of these fools that think there is no God. This cracker screwed up our view of who and what God is. You're just a victim of it. By the way, the Hon. Elijah Muhamamd told his ministers to study Dale Carnegie. Also in Message to the Black man, he told us to study the White man. I guess you never read that part, have you?
@Zag118 Just because we were told to study a piece of what L. Ron Hubbard brought called Dianetics, you're silly enough to think we're following his total philosophy. Don't tell me you never studied anything from a so called White Supremacist, or even an actual one. To say that you don't would be a lie.
@Originalman320 yea and your a one of those fools that believes in a God with no evidence whatsoever. I used to be in the NOI and the teachings are flawed and are completely disagreeable with real science and mathematics. there is a reason why minister farrakhan doesn't debate a real scientist to try to defend to those teachings. He would be embarrassed in front of the world. he doesn't even do Q&A after he gives a speech because a scientifically literate person may ask some real questions.
@Zag118 Someone told me once that "used to bees" don't make any honey. It's clear that you never really studied the teachings. Your comments show that you were just a body, but never studied. You'd see that science bears witness. If you really studied the teachings you'd see the evidence of a God. But it's clear that you don't know a damn thing. By the way, on many occasions, Min. Farrakhan has done questions and answer sessions. But you have to be real to know that.
@Originalman320 yea blah blah blah. actually what i realized in the NOI is that I studied more than most believers and ministers. it's funny how so many NOI members don't know their own teachings just like most christians don't know the bible. yea I've heard him do q&a on some occasions like radio interviews. I'm saying it should be all the time. to give people a chance to ask questions. and he won't and can't debate a real scientist and try to defend nonsense like yakub or how the moon was made
@Zag118 I know my own teachings. It's clear that you don't know the teachings. Who gives a God damn what you say? By the way, I've studied for over 21 years ,and I know science, and what I learned in school about how the moon was made bears witness on what was taught by the Hon. Elijah Muhammad. The funny hing is that you haven't even come close to studying. This teaching. By the way, I'm still waiting on your proof there is no God.
@Originalman320 first of all if you studied you would know that the concept of proof should exclusively be used only in the realm of mathematics. What we're talking about is evidence and since you're making the claim that there is a god you have to provide the evidence not me. just like if I claimed that there were dolphins in outer space or something I would have to provide the evidence for that since I'm making the claim. So please provide me with your evidence for a god.
@Zag118 By the fact that this universe is made in perfect order. It could not have been by accident, or random. Nothing made with such order can be random like that. It had to be made by design. Also the fact that our fingerprints are different. No one ever had your fingerprints, and no one ever will had the same fingerprints. Now what proof do you have that there is no God. No one has offered any yet in my going on 41 years on this planet.
@Originalman320 LOL! actually it's not funny it's really really sad "By the fact that this universe is made in perfect order. It could not have been by accident, or random. Nothing made with such order can be random like that. It had to be made by design" I hope you don't think you said anything when you said this. This just shows how extremely limited your understanding of the world is you're completely wrong.
@Zag118 You haven't shown me anything proving your point. If you're not satisfied in what I gave you, that's not my problem. Your satisfaction is not on my list of priorities. I give you the truth as I understand it. I'm done with you.
@Zag118 Min. Farrakhan was NEVER stumped in any interview, or question and answer session, and he was questioned by the best. You exposed yourself as the fraud. A REAL person that was in the Nation would know that.
@Originalman320 when has a evolutionary biologist questioned farrakhan about yakub or how the white man supposedly grafted himself into a gorilla? when has a geologist questioned farrkhan about how mountains were made on this planet? when has an astronomer or cosmologist questioned farrakhan about the moon or the origin of the universe and it's age? All of these subjects in the NOI are completely false. I can show you how the calculations in your supreme wisdom are off
@Originalman320 explain to me scientifically how the white man grafts himself into a gorilla? explain to me how according to your teachings if the sun is 76-78 trillion years old and emits particles of light called photons traveling at the speed of light why is the universe only 76 quintillion miles (12.6 million light years) this is according to your teachings. Completely flawed teachings
@Originalman320 yea I've shown you enough and can continue for a long time but we only a limited number of characters on here and you're brainwashed and closed minded. just study real science and mathematics and you'll begin to see the light. It's not that I wanted to the teachings to be wrong it's just that I studied like it's recommended in the NOI and I happened to study enough where I could realize that the teachings were also flawed.
@Zag118 You haven't shown a damn thing. The more I study, the more I see that the NOI is right and exact. I don't know what you've studied, but you haven't truly studied the teachings.
@Originalman320 its has always amazed me how you're kind always claim the science of this world is limited but this world as you call it has produced a technologically advanced civilization with planes,trains,automobiles, electricity etc... what has the NOI produced? what scientist are in the NOI?
@Zag118 We produced men that were once considered nothing, and made them great men. That's a far greater accomplishment that anything. No other discipline could have produced a Malcolm X, or a Muhammad Ali, or a Louis Farrakhan. It also produced on of the greatest mathematicians ever produced. His name is Dr. AbdulAlim Shabazz, formerly known as Dr. Lonnie Shabazz. Now I'm done with you. Do whatever the hell you want. I'm not to deal with a hypocrite.
@Originalman320 hypocrite how are you judging me? I thought you were supposed to be the righteous oh yea but I remember when I was in the NOI people don't change and aren't righteous. I'm not the hypocrite but the NOI is littered with hypocrites. of course go ahead and forfeit because you can't defend anything and maybe you realize how ignorant and misinformed you sound. the teachings only make sense to you and your kind hat stay in your lil circle but you can't compete against any challenges.
@Zag118 A hypocrite is one that claimed to believe, but really doesn't. That fits you like a glove. By the way, I never known of any true follower of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, or Min. Farrakhan that has lost any challenge to this teaching. Min. Farrakhan has been against the best, and always come out on the top. So what that you never personally seen it. Like I said, you're perspective isn't THE perspective. You judge me by saying I don't study. I do study.
@Originalman320 just look up the debate between rodney muhammad and christian gino jennings on here where rodney muhammad left the debate or the one with jeremiah muhammad he actually concerted back to christianity and is a christian minister now. I mean they're losing debates against christians I mean come on. them or minister farrakhan wouldn't have a chance against a real scientist
@Zag118 First of all, Bro. Rodney wasn't initially there for a debate, and wasn't told it was a debate format. He just made his point, and left. Second of all, Jeremiah Cummings was like you a hypocrite. He never really believed, like you. A hypocrite
@Originalman320 it doesn't matter I thought Islam was mathematics and can be proven in no time. Bro. Rodney still should've been able to defend no matter what especially against a christian. And I'm not the hypocrite all the hypocrites you're looking for you already follow in the NOI. the hypocrites are the ones who followed Warith Deen in 75 after Elijah passed and this includes Farrakhan. And I was in the NOI and the mosque is littered with hypocrites I'm sure this includes you
@Originalman320 Tell me when Farrkhan has dealt with an evolutionary biologist about yakub and the so-called making of the white race or how white people grafted themselves into gorillas, tell me when Farrakhan has dealt with an astrophysicist or cosmologist about the origin of the universe and all the celestial bodies in the universe, Tell me when Farrakhan has dealt with geologist about how mountains formed on this planet which he says came from bombs instead of plate tectonics
@Originalman320 No there aren't any scientists in the NOI because if they were real scientist they would see the real evidence and couldn't continue to believe in a false teaching they definitely wouldn't be entertaining scientology or dianetics.There is a reason they're called the teachings and not the EVIDENCE and there is a reason NOI members are called believers and not THINKERS.THINK THINK THINK about it IF YOU CAN.You need to study real science physics,chemistry,biology etc
@Zag118 Please. How do you explain the fact that there is so much order in the creation of the universe. Nothing that happens by accident has the end result something orderly. You have NEVER seen an earthquake that shook something back into place. Nor have you seen a tornado set things in order. You just show that you NEVER studied the teaching. That's why your weak ass fell out.
@Originalman320Your issue is and religious people in general is that when you don't understand a particular phenomenon you automatically attribute that phenomenon to a imaginary god.If you want to understand the universe,study physics don't just be lazy and say god created it.If you want to understand earthquakes,tornadoes or weather in general,study geology and meteorology and do some research.Dont just skip the studying and say god did it.Religious people are lazy and just want to be spoon fed
@Originalman320 yea I know all the teachings I mean the teachings aren't that deep it doesn't take that long to study them and yea I know you're supposed to believe god is a man but the way minister farrakhan teaches the believers used to seem pretty spooky to me. Master Fard becomes the new jesus and another thing the minister talks more about jesus in his speeches than Master Fard
@Zag118 From reading your posts, you don't even sound like you used to be in the Nation. I question that if you ever really were in the Nation at all. You'd know what we know about God, and who He is, at least the concept. But you acting like we believe in that Casper the friendly ghost type of God, and we NEVER taught on that.
@Zag118 I know you're not going to tell me we came from a damn gorilla. You go by the limited science of this world. This world only has a limited understanding of of science and mathematics. In reality, talking to you is a waste of time. Especially you haven't proven that there is no God.
@Zag118 I asked you to bring proof that there is no God, and no one has given me such. In fact, you skated around the fact. Do I know the exact process that it took for the ape to be grafted? No I don't. Do I bellieve that it's possible? Yes.
@Originalman320 I told you that since you're making the claim that there is a god you're the one that has to provide evidence not me, just like if I made a claim that dolphins lived in outer space I would have to provide evidence not you. Where is your reason and logical thinking. I say that there is no evidence for a god at all. All the natural processes of the world studied so far physics,chemistry,biology etc... don't require a god. the origin of the universe doesn't require a god either
@Originalman320 so if you don't know the process but only believe it is possible you shouldn't have an opinion on it. you just basically told me you don't know enough. so you shouldn't be saying things like the teachings agree with science or anything because you just admitted to not knowing enough science or anything.
@Zag118 I know enough about science to know it's true. I don't have to know the exact process. I know plenty to know that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught us the truth. God is a man. I guess you missed that part, huh? Once again, have a nice life, hypocrite.
@Originalman320 name calling because you can't defend anything even after 21 yrs thats really sad bruh. enjoy being deceived and misinformed. it's only your fault because you fail to think and study.
@Zag118 If you claim to believe, but you don't, that makes one a hypocrite. A disbeliever doesn't believe from jump street, and tells you so from day one. A hypocrite pretends to believe, and then says he disbelieves. You're the one showing ignorance. You act as though you can do better. Either do better, or shut up. Now I'm done with you. No further comment is needed or desired from you.
Whats FUNNY TO ME is the fact that NOI FOLLOWERS AND "so called AUTHORITIES" are ACTUALLY GETTING SCHOOL and OUTDEBATED by WHITE PEOPLE on HERE LMFAO...When the "Devil himself according to the NOI tells you NOT TO JUMP INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE and the "authorieslol" say FUCK IT I KNOW WHAT IM DOING. Time to SIT BACK, RELAX and watch yet ANOTHER GREAT FALLING AWAY FROM A RELIGIOUS CULT.
@dOLOSTIMULUS If that is so,then the original man should not go to college unless the original man is the head teacher and gets it's curriculum from Africa.Your statement has a big hole in it.
"Believe in that which I have [now] bestowed from on high, confirming the truth already in your possession, and be not foremost among those who deny it's truth; and do not barter away My messages for a trifling gain, and of Me, of Me be conscious." Holy Quran 2:41
Insult your intelligence...??? You give yourself too much credit...smh...all that rhetoric, a little from here and a little from there...Farrakhan only reawakened when he finally realized that he could surf the web just like anyone can...he's LOST...dianetics...?and you have the NERVE to try to justify it..? .Allah knows well what you do...!
"And do not overlay the truth with falsehood, and do not knowingly suppress the truth." "And establish prayer and give zakah and bow with those who bow [in worship and obedience]." "But those who wronged changed [those words] to a statement other than that which had been said to them, so We sent down upon those who wronged a punishment from the sky because they were defiantly disobeying."
Yes but white have been confused for a very long time and still they`re that way,most have flunked out to jewish and zionist,bought and owned,caucasians know who they serve there are people without a God.And they it but donot understand how to have it,God said that He would remove Himself from them and they cannot know Him r have Fellowship with Him.
We must all remember that everything in medicine, science, etc was learned from our ancestors. There's nothing new under the sun. What Satan has, he got from us. We take it and make it work for the cause of good, that is what the Messenger taught us to do. He said study the enemy!
@MosqueNo7 Why don't you cut the crap. Your reasoning is fallacous and you know it, if you don't maybe you should take one of those yellow buses to school. When the Holy Apostle told us too study the devil he meant building sciences engineering etc. not in the way you insidiously change the connotation of words. If you pulled your head out of Farrakhan's ass for a moment you might come to know that dianetics was a fad in 1950 & it was quickly abandoned by the American public when they realized
@MosqueNo7 that Hubbard was a quack and they almost immediately jumped on the Bridey Murphy bandwagon(who of coarse was reincarnated). Now doesn't the fact that the COS was kicked out of Australia for practicing communist mind control techniques or kicked out of Rhodesia for attempting to take over there military or the fact the you are a Muslim follower of THEM and L. Ron Hubbard offered the government of So. Africa millions of dollars to fund the apartheid if they let him stay in there
@MosqueNo7 arouse some kind of suspicion? Or is it because Farrakhan endorsed it you just magically sweep all of the facts under the rug. That's a nice trick I wish I could do that with all my problems. What planet are you from? What comic book do you live in? Is it DC or Marvel? You can't possibly be that stupid can you? Maybe you are but whatever it is that you are you sure as hell can't put that on Allah Master Fard Muhammad(TWHPIDF) and his True Servant and Last Apostle Messenger Muhammad.
@MosqueNo7 See that is WHAT I DONT LIKE ABOUT NOI. FIRST if FARD is/WAS ALLAH in PERSON, then BLACKS IN AMERICA TODAY WOULD ALL BE FREE. Second, there would BE NO NEED TO LEARN DIE-NETICS because between FARD ELIJAH and LOUIS all of KNOWLEDGE that "SATAN" STOLE would be with the MASSES OF BLACKS IN AMERICA. It wouldnt matter what RELIGION A BLACK MAN OR WOMAN was envolved in because if THEY WAS TEACHING DEVINE INTERVENTION FROM A SUPREAME BEING then it would be PRESENT TODAY WITH US BUT ITS NOT
i'm confused here, L Ron hubbard was a white devil so why would the NOI be following the teachings of a devil? so are they devils or aren't they? are they devils during certain times of the year?
@hasansito Hey man, you've been to school. This ain't school, no matter how you'd like to see it. I ain't teachin, I'm tellin. Because you claim to have gone to school, you of all people should have checked this yourself. It should not have been necessary for you to depend upon me to detect irrational thinking and speech. Sorry bro., do your own damn homework. The Messenger teaches you to do for self and to not depend on others to do for us that which e can do for ourselves. Islam = action.
This foolish man has made several logical fallacies in an attempt to defend his leader. Therefore, his argument, whatever it is, fails miserably. Here are the ones that I found:
Appeal to Authority, Appeal to Emotion, Bandwagon, Begging the Question Appeal to Ignorance (Burden of Proof), Composition , Genetic Fallacy, Middle Ground , Poisoning the Well , Red Herring , Spotlight , Straw Man , ,Ad Hominem
This foolish man has made several logical fallacies in an attempt to defend his leader. Therefore, his argument, whatever it is, fails miserably. Here are the ones that I found: Appeal to Authority Appeal to Emotion Bandwagon Begging the Question Appeal to Ignorance (Burden of Proof) Composition Genetic Fallacy Middle Ground Poisoning the Well Red Herring Spotlight Straw Man Ad Hominem I may have missed one or two.
@Rasul767 Please present the fallacies in sequence order, so that we may see CLEARLY, your angle. It is good to know the various catagorizations of fallacy tactics, however, you fail EPICALLY to state a clear claim. State your deal?
The Devils advocates are on this page writing disrespectful comments, they slander the minister with thier mouth, but never mind them yacubs children they cant help themselves they are just doing what they were born to do they are the former slavemasters children race of devils.
again Brother the funny this is.. people know the synagogue of satan runs the television networks but yet they still listen to the weatherman and the news anchor man.. lol its simple logic.. truth is truth no matter where it comes from.. it simple..
all the criticism about the teaching it will just expose the hypocrites Brother.. to hell with them im with Farrakhan.. Im not gonna jeopardize my salvation because a few hypocrites and disbelievers have something negative to say about the Man Of God.
for these people who dont like the nation and say we are racist prophet muhammad was a whiteman pbuh so now people hate now that we use skills and knowledge of others to advance us who teaches us in schools white people who write the books white people why not learn from them they are master rulers in their world we just dont get our spirtual teachings from them so you who hate black people talkin to blacks anyway remember your words cause one day you will wish you have not even thought it
@ShaAllah7 league? Im in a Nation, not a league! what do you do? never heard of you, only of what the Holy Quran say about hypocrites. Read Surah 9 in its entirety. How much are u being paid to be an agent?
@VoyageIslam You are going to grow up one day, being jealous of The Hon. Minister Farrakhan is not going to get you any favor with ALLAH. Minister Farrakhan always wins with the help of ALLAH, you or your slavemaster cant stop The Will Of ALLAH!
@VoyageIslam Do you believe Elijah Poole when he says Blacks come from the moon? What about Farrakhan he claims that a star ship follows him everywhere he goes. The sad part is you know I am not lying.
@VoyageIslam I DO NOT BELIEVE IN ISLAM or ANY OTHER RELIGION but I even know from HISTORICAL FACTS learned, AND RESEARCHED that ISLAM was STARTED BY WHITE SKINNED ARABS and LATER FORCED UPON AFRICAN PEOPLE which in turned ENSLAVED THEM. I give YOU CREDIT for at least practicing TRUE ISLAM as compared to the NOI WHICH HAS PRETTY MUCH ABANDONED the FIGHT against the "white oppressors" that THEY SAY ARE THE ENEMY....NOW THEY JOIN FORCES WITH SOME.
Lost...I can show you things in the Bible you have never seen. Just because you accept the lies taught by the white man doesn't mean everyone has. What you believe is what white people have added to the PURE teachings of Jesus, who was a Muslim...he was in submission to his Father, Allah.
@BlacksAreBeautiful / Of course the Messenger could place someone in his seat, by athority of Allah. Obey Allah and his Messenger. Whatever instructions the Mesenger gave, were instructions from Allah.
THIS NIGGA SOUNDS LIKE A FLAMER AND HIS SUBJECT IS DOODOO...SO IS HIS ATTEMPT TO MAKE ANY SENSE TO SOMEONE WHO EVER HEARD ELIJAH MUHAMMAD SPEAK ONE SENTENCE.
@eliasmusiqcom / The Messenger himself taught that some whites/devils would be saved, but whites would not go beyond 1000 years into the hereafter. The whiteman is still the devil, the teaching hasn't changed...we just don't have a kindergarden understanding of the message. Master Fard Muhammad talked to many whites before making himself known to the blackman, he came in and out of America for 20 years and lived with some white families...think man.
@eliasmusiqcom / Shows how much you listen...The Minister has NEVER stated The Messenger created the heavens and the earth. Keep searching bro.........
@eliasmusiqcom / I was there...and he never said Elijah Muhammad is the creator, he did say he is alive, and I believe he is alive. The Government keeps a record of all deaths in America...right? They don't have a listing for Elijah Muhammad...check for yourself. These crackers could make Minister look foolish if they produce this document, but they never do.... The mothership or wheel is real. The whiteman knows this also. The God who created the universe...is dead...but his wisdom is with us.
@eliasmusiqcom / It went right over your little head...why are you so emotional? Is it because you "think" God is a ghost? God set up laws that even he has to submit too. Every living thing dies...even God. When you look at movies like "TROY" you see the people worrying about angering the Gods, this is because the whiteman was taught the truth, but because he is such a deciever, he put fairytales into the truth. Check revelation Ch 5, you read about the Gods and one who is "SUPREME".
@eliasmusiqcom / The NOI doesn't teach hate or the hatred of anyone. We don't love our enemies. Since you love the Minister, keep watching his video's here and you will learn something. That's all I can say.
@nubiagold - I have learned farrakhans followers believe the Creator of the Universe is dead, I have learned farrakhans followers believe The Creator of the Universe is a man.. I have learned you all attempt to use scripture to prove your own points. I have learned you all ignore scripture that directly disagress's with you all, Like Numbers chapt 22 or 23 vrs 22 or 23 that state the Yahweh is not a man that lies, I have learned you all are quite lost & I can spot a phony
The messenger never instructed any believer to take up a course of Dale Carnegie.It was Yusuf Shah ,the Supreme Captain that went on his own accord to study that course.Please state the facts right
I just had a nice dream: Mr Farrakhan said the God he professes to worship didn't exist - there isn't any evidence to support any such claim. All religions are man-made and you should treat ANYBODY calling themselves a minister or priest or such with the highest suspicion.
@rod11672000 Most of the schools you went to their knowledge comes from Satan as well. So you will throw away your education? The computer you use comes from Satan as well. I guess you'll throw away that, right?
study this video ....has he proven that dianetics is correct ...these teachings attemp to rid you of the sub conscience mind....warning this is what drove him crazy....
everybody is not stupid that thinks for them self.......islam is Mathematics...and based on the subconscience MIND....the light of righteousness....the wicked will snuff out there own light (subconscience)
hell of a point Bro.! you know how many books we've read with caucasian authors? the unseen hand, behold a pale horse, pawns in the game.... etc.. the list goes on
It is so sad that no one can challenge a poor decision being made my one of our leaders without being branded a slanderer, backbiter, or hypocrite. This brother's points are so weak that it is ridiculous.
I'm watching him throw ignorant jabs at Bro. Lance but, beyond his jabs, his points remain as soft as cotton.
Inviting the Nazis to speak and having your followers follow their program are two different things. You have to know when you're being led down the wrong road.
To use real technology, as in the Toyota the brother mentioned or to fly on an aircraft or to view videos on YouTube is one thing, but to call L.Ron Hubbard's pseudo-science a "technology" is pure nonsense!
Don't you just love how he is referring to ToryMagoo44 as some white woman, and suggests we shouldn't listen to her because of her whiteness, but then later says we should recognize and acknowledge truth no matter where it comes from? She never claimed to be an authority on the NOI, she claims that the COS is pure BS. it's embarrassing that "some old white lady" even has to point that out to you bros. Go study the lessons, I doubt any one of you/us can claim to have mastered those yet
This brothers argument is so fundamentally flawed. I'm confident there are laborers in HIS mosque that barely know their lessons or have mastered the problem book. MFM was the author of these books their for had already mastered them BEFORE enrolling in UCLA. To say that's what we should do sounds like a 10yr old child who wants to move out on his own. I'm not saying there isn't anything of value to gain from this, but first things first. cont...
@BlacksAreBeautiful cont...ThEM "ADVISED" the laborers to study Carnegie's book not COMPELLED them. We were only COMPELLED to study our lessons, the books and his articles. Lastly, if it turns out that the black nation is compelled at some point to study something else, that instruction should come from GOD himself, not some self appointed, self exalted representative!!!!
@BlacksAreBeautiful / Why do you care what those that are with Farrakhan do? Let us be lost brotha...... Do you have something to offer? If you do, then offer it and stop crying.
@nubiagold Why do you care what I have to say? I never said anything to you! Stop wasting time on Youtube and go let L Ron Hubbard train you on how to organize the NOI!
@BlacksAreBeautiful / AGAIN...what's it to you what the NOI does. Keep crying on the sidelines "i hate Farrakhan". You are a fool...The Minister is the best Blackman on the scene right now. The hell with all of his enemies.
The BEST BLackman on the scene is actually MFM. He lives through his supreme lessons. Anyone who has been made to believe that the COS can deliver a more thorough life giving teaching than this man, is truly the FOOL! "After learning Mathematics, which is Islam, and Islam is Mathematics it stands true. You can always prove it at no limit of time. Then you must learn to use it and secure some benefit while you are living - that is luxury, money, good homes, friendship in all walks of life."
Scientology is the devil's religion and Farrakhan is false teacher and the primary example of Book of Ezekiel 34. Minister Farrakhan is an example of a bad sheperd. He is leading his people astray. Leave that man made religion alone and follow the one true God of the Bilble.
Peace
luvlou71 14 hours ago
Excellent speech - valid points and makes good sense.
merrywivesofwindsor 5 days ago
ALL DUE RESPECT TO MINISTER LOUIS FARRAKHAN!!
SlabCityEntNoyz 1 month ago
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Zag118 2 months ago
If you knew mathematics and science you would have the wisdom for growth and development..you lack the knowledge
keivyancy 2 months ago
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@keivyancy More nonsense as usual. You can't defend your false teachings,so you just make empty statements with no meaning. "GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT" isn't something the NOI practices more like MENTAL STAGNATION AND REGRESSION". I don't lack the knowledge, but NOI members,ministers and founders lack the knowledge though. NOI teachings are completely disagreeable with real science,history and mathematics PERIOD!!!
Zag118 2 months ago
Zag118 is an agent, half learned, envious person like jeremiah cummings wearing the clothing but no mathematics and science to support his own body frame....
keivyancy 2 months ago
@keivyancy What? you're just putting words together with no meaning, trying to sound deep. If you're an NOI member you know nothing of science and mathematics.
Zag118 2 months ago
Checkmate
Zag118 2 months ago
no you're confused I used to believe but I studied and now I don't believe just like I was in the church but I studied and didn't believe in that anymore that doesn't make me a hypocrite. most people in the mosque came from the church and don't believe that anymore does that make them all hypocrite because they don't believe in something they used to believe in?
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 For me, I NEVER believed what the church taught, and I studied the Nation, and there's nothing that shows me that the teachings are wrong. Unlike you, I believed in this teaching. Now I know it's correct. I still don't really think you were ever in the Nation.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Originalman320 That's fine that nothing shows you that the teachings are wrong. Your opinion doesn't matter because you don't know enough. That's like a child saying that nothing shows them that santa clause doesn't exist and they continue to believe in santa clause it doesn't matter because the child doesn't know enough. No adult would consider or take serious that child's opinion about santa clause.
Zag118 3 months ago
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ThetruthisTHEvirtue 4 months ago
SMDH lol this guy said God went to school in California..LOOOOOOL
bignasxl 5 months ago
is elijah muhammed messenger of GOD or messenger of WALLACE DODD? i THINK SOMEONE IS CONFUSED IN THIS VIDEO
bignasxl 5 months ago
@bignasxl Wallace Dodd? Are you serious? Who is Wallace Dodd? Are you talking about the same Wallace Dodd that was busted for narcotics in Calafornia? Ok one more time for all of you illiterate niggers who obviously have not drawn from your own experience with the law. Master Fard Muhmmad(TWPIDF) was arrested 3 times while he was in Detroit and Chicago. He raised 25,000 followers in a span of 3 1/2 years, was psychologically evaluated for 4 days. The Feds launched a 40 year investigation into
ThetruthisTHEvirtue 4 months ago
@bignasxl his whereabouts and you mean to tell me that after all of that, Wallace Dodd Ford comes into the picture in 1963? Surely you've been locked up before. If you were locked up 3 times, made headlines in the local news papers, drew the attention of the FEDS and the CIA and nothing came up about you serving time in SAN QUINTEN you would be shell shocked! You can go ask your boss for another trick and tell him the Wallace Dodd thing doesn't work here.
ThetruthisTHEvirtue 4 months ago
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tigersforchrist 5 months ago
You know I, thug 'em, fuck 'em, love 'em, leave 'em / Cause I don't fuckin' need '
em / Take 'em out the hood, keep 'em looking good / But I don't fuckin feed 'em first chance I get I'm breazin talkin bout what's the reason? I'm a pimp in every sense of the bitch betta trust and believe'em.
ThetruthisTHEvirtue 6 months ago
the information is out there all people have to do is watch, listen to it, and read it...to me ya just sound like a bunch of hypocrite cheerleaders...YES SIR! TEACH ON! lol
dollarbill125 6 months ago
Lmao this clown is funny all this is is pretty much NOI damage control...man put a sock in it the only people falling for this crap now is people who are already NOI brainwashed and people who don't know any better...Your boy Farracon is a walking contradiction to those before him and is working with the devil...shoot he's been doing it for years it's just coming to light now...face it you're ultimately preaching for the white man what a shame
dollarbill125 6 months ago
@dollarbill125 The people who follow Farrakhan don't drink,smoke.commit adultery,fornicate and they don't commit crimes aganst society.The ones who join in prison clean up and when they get out,they don't go back.Satan hates a person who does this kind of work.So what you say puts you in the camp of Satan.You and your kind,don't want Black people to be righteous.The Blacks that are criminals are so because they believed in your mindset.It is time for a change.All Black should join the NOI.
arnibah 1 month ago
@arnibah Lol BULL! Just because you follow Farrakhan doesn't automatically mean you don't do any of those things...of course people in jail clean up because they already see the life they've been leading isn't getting them any where...and that puts me in the camp with Satan? Lmao get the hell out of here just because a person doesn't like Farrakhan they're with Satan? How about people see the bullcrap within Farracon, Elijah, and the NOI and are smart enough to not fall for the crap!
dollarbill125 1 month ago
@dollarbill125 If anyone who follows Farrakhan is caught commiting any of these sins,they are kicked out of the Nation of Islam.I know this might be shocking to you.You would rather not believe it because you would have to admit that Farrakhan and his followers are the righteous.People join the NOI in jail because they clearly see,if they were in the NOI before they went to jail,they know they would not have commited any crime.
arnibah 1 month ago
@arnibah Lol at the end of the day people are people and aren't perfect so for me to believe that what you say is the truth is crazy...i've seen people in the nation act otherwise and are still in it...there's no such thing as NOI police lol so how would they even know?...And Farracon is just as fake as some of the things he preaches about...shoot he preaches more hate to me than anything...and what has he done except talk and get rich? Satan was made by god so why Satan held
dollarbill125 1 month ago
@arnibah responsible for a lot of crap and not his creator...this is why I neglect religious people because they don't if hardly talk with any logic
dollarbill125 1 month ago
@dollarbill125 You made some great points and I agree
Zag118 1 month ago
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@dollarbill125 You made some great points and I agree with you
Zag118 1 month ago
@arnibah the NOI is just as flawed as the christian church and the rest of these other forms of churches...it's just another money making religion marketed off of oppressed black people and others...religion is just based off of belief so why should i join something I don't believe? And god made the devil so god is more so to blame for the bad things that happen than the devil is...I can't stand religious types of people because ya don't speak with logic...who is Satan?
dollarbill125 1 month ago
@dollarbill125 There is an outer Satan and an inner Satan.The outer one are the hidden rulers of the world.The inner one is the negative part of yourself that doesn't want the Highest part of you to wake up and rule.
arnibah 1 month ago
@arnibah You are completely wrong I was in the NOI and there is mostly nothing but gangsters and hoodrats in there they're no different than the church and the hypocrisy goes all the way to the top. Of course there are some sincere believers in any religion but as far as people in top positions in the NOI they're nothing but gangsters,hoodrats and hypocrites. How many wives does farra-CON have that he doesn't openly admit to? You think Khadijah is happy about that? Farrakhan the con man
Zag118 1 month ago
@Zag118 You weren't in the NOI.They don't allow devils to join.You think you can fool us because we can't see you.I'm not going to tell you how you give yourself away.But as I said,they don't allow devils to join.
arnibah 1 month ago
@arnibah Yes I was in the NOI you RETARD all you have to do is write a letter get accepted and then recite student enrollment and actual facts to the captain I did that it's not that hard to do DUMMY! neither gods or devils exist in the real world they're inventions of the human mind. So you calling me a devil has no value.
Zag118 1 month ago
All of the religions and religious leaders are a joke and con men, scam artists and pimps. You can find audio and video on here (youtube) where l ron hubbard is talking bad about black people and islam. the nation of islam isn't a nation it is nothing but a cult just like scientology. they have a business deal and the deal is to work together and get money from the followers and minister farrakhan is in on it obviously
Zag118 6 months ago
@Zag118 If you want to see a joke, just look in the mirror. Those that say Min. Farrakhan is doing this for money obviously either doesn't know what they're talking about, or is a liar. Which one are you? Or could you be both?
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Originalman320 Lol! I'm neither. I can observe the moves minister farrakhan is making and I come to the conclusion that he is a fraud like the rest of these religious leaders. scientology was around in the 50's and 60's why didn't Elijah mess with it? And I thought the NOI had supreme wisdom why are yall following white supremacist l ron hubbards wisdom?
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 Your conclusion is faulty. I've observed him for over 21 years, and my conclusion is different. He's NEVER mislead anyone in his 56 years in the Nation, and 34 being in charge. Yes you are either ignorant or a liar, or both.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Zag118 You have a bias towards religion, or your screwed up perception of it. You're probably one of these fools that think there is no God. This cracker screwed up our view of who and what God is. You're just a victim of it. By the way, the Hon. Elijah Muhamamd told his ministers to study Dale Carnegie. Also in Message to the Black man, he told us to study the White man. I guess you never read that part, have you?
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Zag118 Just because we were told to study a piece of what L. Ron Hubbard brought called Dianetics, you're silly enough to think we're following his total philosophy. Don't tell me you never studied anything from a so called White Supremacist, or even an actual one. To say that you don't would be a lie.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Originalman320 yea and your a one of those fools that believes in a God with no evidence whatsoever. I used to be in the NOI and the teachings are flawed and are completely disagreeable with real science and mathematics. there is a reason why minister farrakhan doesn't debate a real scientist to try to defend to those teachings. He would be embarrassed in front of the world. he doesn't even do Q&A after he gives a speech because a scientifically literate person may ask some real questions.
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 Someone told me once that "used to bees" don't make any honey. It's clear that you never really studied the teachings. Your comments show that you were just a body, but never studied. You'd see that science bears witness. If you really studied the teachings you'd see the evidence of a God. But it's clear that you don't know a damn thing. By the way, on many occasions, Min. Farrakhan has done questions and answer sessions. But you have to be real to know that.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Originalman320 yea blah blah blah. actually what i realized in the NOI is that I studied more than most believers and ministers. it's funny how so many NOI members don't know their own teachings just like most christians don't know the bible. yea I've heard him do q&a on some occasions like radio interviews. I'm saying it should be all the time. to give people a chance to ask questions. and he won't and can't debate a real scientist and try to defend nonsense like yakub or how the moon was made
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 I know my own teachings. It's clear that you don't know the teachings. Who gives a God damn what you say? By the way, I've studied for over 21 years ,and I know science, and what I learned in school about how the moon was made bears witness on what was taught by the Hon. Elijah Muhammad. The funny hing is that you haven't even come close to studying. This teaching. By the way, I'm still waiting on your proof there is no God.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Originalman320 first of all if you studied you would know that the concept of proof should exclusively be used only in the realm of mathematics. What we're talking about is evidence and since you're making the claim that there is a god you have to provide the evidence not me. just like if I claimed that there were dolphins in outer space or something I would have to provide the evidence for that since I'm making the claim. So please provide me with your evidence for a god.
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 By the fact that this universe is made in perfect order. It could not have been by accident, or random. Nothing made with such order can be random like that. It had to be made by design. Also the fact that our fingerprints are different. No one ever had your fingerprints, and no one ever will had the same fingerprints. Now what proof do you have that there is no God. No one has offered any yet in my going on 41 years on this planet.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Originalman320 LOL! actually it's not funny it's really really sad "By the fact that this universe is made in perfect order. It could not have been by accident, or random. Nothing made with such order can be random like that. It had to be made by design" I hope you don't think you said anything when you said this. This just shows how extremely limited your understanding of the world is you're completely wrong.
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 You haven't shown me anything proving your point. If you're not satisfied in what I gave you, that's not my problem. Your satisfaction is not on my list of priorities. I give you the truth as I understand it. I'm done with you.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Zag118 the only thing I see funny is your comments loaded with B.S.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Zag118 Min. Farrakhan was NEVER stumped in any interview, or question and answer session, and he was questioned by the best. You exposed yourself as the fraud. A REAL person that was in the Nation would know that.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Originalman320 when has a evolutionary biologist questioned farrakhan about yakub or how the white man supposedly grafted himself into a gorilla? when has a geologist questioned farrkhan about how mountains were made on this planet? when has an astronomer or cosmologist questioned farrakhan about the moon or the origin of the universe and it's age? All of these subjects in the NOI are completely false. I can show you how the calculations in your supreme wisdom are off
Zag118 3 months ago
@Originalman320 explain to me scientifically how the white man grafts himself into a gorilla? explain to me how according to your teachings if the sun is 76-78 trillion years old and emits particles of light called photons traveling at the speed of light why is the universe only 76 quintillion miles (12.6 million light years) this is according to your teachings. Completely flawed teachings
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 You still haven't shown they were false.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Originalman320 yea I've shown you enough and can continue for a long time but we only a limited number of characters on here and you're brainwashed and closed minded. just study real science and mathematics and you'll begin to see the light. It's not that I wanted to the teachings to be wrong it's just that I studied like it's recommended in the NOI and I happened to study enough where I could realize that the teachings were also flawed.
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 You haven't shown a damn thing. The more I study, the more I see that the NOI is right and exact. I don't know what you've studied, but you haven't truly studied the teachings.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Originalman320 its has always amazed me how you're kind always claim the science of this world is limited but this world as you call it has produced a technologically advanced civilization with planes,trains,automobiles, electricity etc... what has the NOI produced? what scientist are in the NOI?
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 We produced men that were once considered nothing, and made them great men. That's a far greater accomplishment that anything. No other discipline could have produced a Malcolm X, or a Muhammad Ali, or a Louis Farrakhan. It also produced on of the greatest mathematicians ever produced. His name is Dr. AbdulAlim Shabazz, formerly known as Dr. Lonnie Shabazz. Now I'm done with you. Do whatever the hell you want. I'm not to deal with a hypocrite.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Originalman320 hypocrite how are you judging me? I thought you were supposed to be the righteous oh yea but I remember when I was in the NOI people don't change and aren't righteous. I'm not the hypocrite but the NOI is littered with hypocrites. of course go ahead and forfeit because you can't defend anything and maybe you realize how ignorant and misinformed you sound. the teachings only make sense to you and your kind hat stay in your lil circle but you can't compete against any challenges.
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 A hypocrite is one that claimed to believe, but really doesn't. That fits you like a glove. By the way, I never known of any true follower of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, or Min. Farrakhan that has lost any challenge to this teaching. Min. Farrakhan has been against the best, and always come out on the top. So what that you never personally seen it. Like I said, you're perspective isn't THE perspective. You judge me by saying I don't study. I do study.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Originalman320 just look up the debate between rodney muhammad and christian gino jennings on here where rodney muhammad left the debate or the one with jeremiah muhammad he actually concerted back to christianity and is a christian minister now. I mean they're losing debates against christians I mean come on. them or minister farrakhan wouldn't have a chance against a real scientist
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 First of all, Bro. Rodney wasn't initially there for a debate, and wasn't told it was a debate format. He just made his point, and left. Second of all, Jeremiah Cummings was like you a hypocrite. He never really believed, like you. A hypocrite
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Originalman320 it doesn't matter I thought Islam was mathematics and can be proven in no time. Bro. Rodney still should've been able to defend no matter what especially against a christian. And I'm not the hypocrite all the hypocrites you're looking for you already follow in the NOI. the hypocrites are the ones who followed Warith Deen in 75 after Elijah passed and this includes Farrakhan. And I was in the NOI and the mosque is littered with hypocrites I'm sure this includes you
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 Min. Farrakhan has NEVER lost a debate, and he has dealt with scientists. There are many in the Nation that are, despite what you think.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Originalman320 Tell me when Farrkhan has dealt with an evolutionary biologist about yakub and the so-called making of the white race or how white people grafted themselves into gorillas, tell me when Farrakhan has dealt with an astrophysicist or cosmologist about the origin of the universe and all the celestial bodies in the universe, Tell me when Farrakhan has dealt with geologist about how mountains formed on this planet which he says came from bombs instead of plate tectonics
Zag118 3 months ago
@Originalman320 No there aren't any scientists in the NOI because if they were real scientist they would see the real evidence and couldn't continue to believe in a false teaching they definitely wouldn't be entertaining scientology or dianetics.There is a reason they're called the teachings and not the EVIDENCE and there is a reason NOI members are called believers and not THINKERS.THINK THINK THINK about it IF YOU CAN.You need to study real science physics,chemistry,biology etc
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 Please. How do you explain the fact that there is so much order in the creation of the universe. Nothing that happens by accident has the end result something orderly. You have NEVER seen an earthquake that shook something back into place. Nor have you seen a tornado set things in order. You just show that you NEVER studied the teaching. That's why your weak ass fell out.
Originalman320 2 months ago
@Originalman320Your issue is and religious people in general is that when you don't understand a particular phenomenon you automatically attribute that phenomenon to a imaginary god.If you want to understand the universe,study physics don't just be lazy and say god created it.If you want to understand earthquakes,tornadoes or weather in general,study geology and meteorology and do some research.Dont just skip the studying and say god did it.Religious people are lazy and just want to be spoon fed
Zag118 2 months ago
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@Originalman320 yea I know all the teachings I mean the teachings aren't that deep it doesn't take that long to study them and yea I know you're supposed to believe god is a man but the way minister farrakhan teaches the believers used to seem pretty spooky to me. Master Fard becomes the new jesus and another thing the minister talks more about jesus in his speeches than Master Fard
Zag118 3 months ago
@Originalman320 you simply don't have a clue maybe you will one day and you'll remember this brief discussion
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 From reading your posts, you don't even sound like you used to be in the Nation. I question that if you ever really were in the Nation at all. You'd know what we know about God, and who He is, at least the concept. But you acting like we believe in that Casper the friendly ghost type of God, and we NEVER taught on that.
Originalman320 3 months ago
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Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 I know you're not going to tell me we came from a damn gorilla. You go by the limited science of this world. This world only has a limited understanding of of science and mathematics. In reality, talking to you is a waste of time. Especially you haven't proven that there is no God.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Originalman320 no elijah said the white man grafted himself into a gorilla in message to the blackman. I'm asking you to explain that scientifically
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 I asked you to bring proof that there is no God, and no one has given me such. In fact, you skated around the fact. Do I know the exact process that it took for the ape to be grafted? No I don't. Do I bellieve that it's possible? Yes.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Originalman320 I told you that since you're making the claim that there is a god you're the one that has to provide evidence not me, just like if I made a claim that dolphins lived in outer space I would have to provide evidence not you. Where is your reason and logical thinking. I say that there is no evidence for a god at all. All the natural processes of the world studied so far physics,chemistry,biology etc... don't require a god. the origin of the universe doesn't require a god either
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 Just like you to get on your skateboard, and skate around the question. I gave you the evidence. Have a nice life, hypocrite.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Originalman320 so if you don't know the process but only believe it is possible you shouldn't have an opinion on it. you just basically told me you don't know enough. so you shouldn't be saying things like the teachings agree with science or anything because you just admitted to not knowing enough science or anything.
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 I know enough about science to know it's true. I don't have to know the exact process. I know plenty to know that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught us the truth. God is a man. I guess you missed that part, huh? Once again, have a nice life, hypocrite.
Originalman320 3 months ago
@Originalman320 name calling because you can't defend anything even after 21 yrs thats really sad bruh. enjoy being deceived and misinformed. it's only your fault because you fail to think and study.
Zag118 3 months ago
@Zag118 If you claim to believe, but you don't, that makes one a hypocrite. A disbeliever doesn't believe from jump street, and tells you so from day one. A hypocrite pretends to believe, and then says he disbelieves. You're the one showing ignorance. You act as though you can do better. Either do better, or shut up. Now I'm done with you. No further comment is needed or desired from you.
Originalman320 3 months ago
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@Zag118 By the way, what's your evidence that there is no God? You have none.
Originalman320 3 months ago
Whats FUNNY TO ME is the fact that NOI FOLLOWERS AND "so called AUTHORITIES" are ACTUALLY GETTING SCHOOL and OUTDEBATED by WHITE PEOPLE on HERE LMFAO...When the "Devil himself according to the NOI tells you NOT TO JUMP INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE and the "authorieslol" say FUCK IT I KNOW WHAT IM DOING. Time to SIT BACK, RELAX and watch yet ANOTHER GREAT FALLING AWAY FROM A RELIGIOUS CULT.
blackbirdmarkvii 7 months ago
scientology is bullshit and the original man has no business drawing from that well.
dOLOSTIMULUS 7 months ago
@dOLOSTIMULUS If that is so,then the original man should not go to college unless the original man is the head teacher and gets it's curriculum from Africa.Your statement has a big hole in it.
arnibah 1 month ago
shameful...
12yash34 7 months ago
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"Believe in that which I have [now] bestowed from on high, confirming the truth already in your possession, and be not foremost among those who deny it's truth; and do not barter away My messages for a trifling gain, and of Me, of Me be conscious." Holy Quran 2:41
TheTruthlady 8 months ago
Insult your intelligence...??? You give yourself too much credit...smh...all that rhetoric, a little from here and a little from there...Farrakhan only reawakened when he finally realized that he could surf the web just like anyone can...he's LOST...dianetics...?and you have the NERVE to try to justify it..? .Allah knows well what you do...!
TheTruthlady 8 months ago
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"And do not overlay the truth with falsehood, and do not knowingly suppress the truth." "And establish prayer and give zakah and bow with those who bow [in worship and obedience]." "But those who wronged changed [those words] to a statement other than that which had been said to them, so We sent down upon those who wronged a punishment from the sky because they were defiantly disobeying."
TheTruthlady 8 months ago
All I have to say is where is Farrakhan's Quran? A-oothu-belahi-mina-shaytain-nira-jinn!!!
TheTruthlady 8 months ago
Any one or group that puts as much infessis on skin tone"melanin" is a racist and is bad as any Neo Natzi or the 4th Rich. Fucking loseres
tuedaz 8 months ago
Yes but white have been confused for a very long time and still they`re that way,most have flunked out to jewish and zionist,bought and owned,caucasians know who they serve there are people without a God.And they it but donot understand how to have it,God said that He would remove Himself from them and they cannot know Him r have Fellowship with Him.
gt1085 8 months ago
Farrakhan is great - warrior
JMahaz 8 months ago
We must all remember that everything in medicine, science, etc was learned from our ancestors. There's nothing new under the sun. What Satan has, he got from us. We take it and make it work for the cause of good, that is what the Messenger taught us to do. He said study the enemy!
MosqueNo7 8 months ago
@MosqueNo7 Why don't you cut the crap. Your reasoning is fallacous and you know it, if you don't maybe you should take one of those yellow buses to school. When the Holy Apostle told us too study the devil he meant building sciences engineering etc. not in the way you insidiously change the connotation of words. If you pulled your head out of Farrakhan's ass for a moment you might come to know that dianetics was a fad in 1950 & it was quickly abandoned by the American public when they realized
ThetruthisTHEvirtue 7 months ago
@MosqueNo7 that Hubbard was a quack and they almost immediately jumped on the Bridey Murphy bandwagon(who of coarse was reincarnated). Now doesn't the fact that the COS was kicked out of Australia for practicing communist mind control techniques or kicked out of Rhodesia for attempting to take over there military or the fact the you are a Muslim follower of THEM and L. Ron Hubbard offered the government of So. Africa millions of dollars to fund the apartheid if they let him stay in there
ThetruthisTHEvirtue 7 months ago
@MosqueNo7 arouse some kind of suspicion? Or is it because Farrakhan endorsed it you just magically sweep all of the facts under the rug. That's a nice trick I wish I could do that with all my problems. What planet are you from? What comic book do you live in? Is it DC or Marvel? You can't possibly be that stupid can you? Maybe you are but whatever it is that you are you sure as hell can't put that on Allah Master Fard Muhammad(TWHPIDF) and his True Servant and Last Apostle Messenger Muhammad.
ThetruthisTHEvirtue 7 months ago
@MosqueNo7 See that is WHAT I DONT LIKE ABOUT NOI. FIRST if FARD is/WAS ALLAH in PERSON, then BLACKS IN AMERICA TODAY WOULD ALL BE FREE. Second, there would BE NO NEED TO LEARN DIE-NETICS because between FARD ELIJAH and LOUIS all of KNOWLEDGE that "SATAN" STOLE would be with the MASSES OF BLACKS IN AMERICA. It wouldnt matter what RELIGION A BLACK MAN OR WOMAN was envolved in because if THEY WAS TEACHING DEVINE INTERVENTION FROM A SUPREAME BEING then it would be PRESENT TODAY WITH US BUT ITS NOT
blackbirdmarkvii 7 months ago
@blackbirdmarkvii What we should all be saying is "Thanks be to Allah (God) for his Merci". Keep studying!
MosqueNo7 7 months ago
i'm confused here, L Ron hubbard was a white devil so why would the NOI be following the teachings of a devil? so are they devils or aren't they? are they devils during certain times of the year?
mtross70 8 months ago
fuck the minister. Im slandering him, right here right now. and?........
Scientologee 9 months ago
@hasansito Hey man, you've been to school. This ain't school, no matter how you'd like to see it. I ain't teachin, I'm tellin. Because you claim to have gone to school, you of all people should have checked this yourself. It should not have been necessary for you to depend upon me to detect irrational thinking and speech. Sorry bro., do your own damn homework. The Messenger teaches you to do for self and to not depend on others to do for us that which e can do for ourselves. Islam = action.
Rasul767 9 months ago
fuck the critical hypocrites .. word up .. THEY HAVE GROUND ZERO FOUNDATION! Big Up's for this power-house video post!
hasansito 9 months ago
I agree, sister.
Rasul767 9 months ago
He sounds so illiterate! Is he crazy or what!
TheConsciousLife 9 months ago
He sounds so illiterate!
TheConsciousLife 9 months ago
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This foolish man has made several logical fallacies in an attempt to defend his leader. Therefore, his argument, whatever it is, fails miserably. Here are the ones that I found:
Appeal to Authority, Appeal to Emotion, Bandwagon, Begging the Question Appeal to Ignorance (Burden of Proof), Composition , Genetic Fallacy, Middle Ground , Poisoning the Well , Red Herring , Spotlight , Straw Man , ,Ad Hominem
I may have missed one or two.
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Rasul767 9 months ago
@Rasul767 Please present the fallacies in sequence order, so that we may see CLEARLY, your angle. It is good to know the various catagorizations of fallacy tactics, however, you fail EPICALLY to state a clear claim. State your deal?
hasansito 9 months ago
The Devils advocates are on this page writing disrespectful comments, they slander the minister with thier mouth, but never mind them yacubs children they cant help themselves they are just doing what they were born to do they are the former slavemasters children race of devils.
allaboutme2100 9 months ago 2
again Brother the funny this is.. people know the synagogue of satan runs the television networks but yet they still listen to the weatherman and the news anchor man.. lol its simple logic.. truth is truth no matter where it comes from.. it simple..
LOSTFOUND30 10 months ago
all the criticism about the teaching it will just expose the hypocrites Brother.. to hell with them im with Farrakhan.. Im not gonna jeopardize my salvation because a few hypocrites and disbelievers have something negative to say about the Man Of God.
LOSTFOUND30 10 months ago
for these people who dont like the nation and say we are racist prophet muhammad was a whiteman pbuh so now people hate now that we use skills and knowledge of others to advance us who teaches us in schools white people who write the books white people why not learn from them they are master rulers in their world we just dont get our spirtual teachings from them so you who hate black people talkin to blacks anyway remember your words cause one day you will wish you have not even thought it
apbta24 10 months ago
This brotha' is right......nobody asked the Minister anything!
Followingfist 10 months ago
ASA this is a great teaching in defense of a Divine man!!!
jihadmuhammad1 10 months ago 2
@ShaAllah7 league? Im in a Nation, not a league! what do you do? never heard of you, only of what the Holy Quran say about hypocrites. Read Surah 9 in its entirety. How much are u being paid to be an agent?
cherrytwochain 11 months ago
@ShaAllah7 you're the hypocrite, you once liked the minister and now you have turned back on your heels - oh what a hypocrite!
cherrytwochain 11 months ago
Farrakhan is non-Muslim he denies the truth of the Qu'ran He believes Allah was a man and that Black people are actually Asians from the moon.
VoyageIslam 11 months ago
@VoyageIslam You are going to grow up one day, being jealous of The Hon. Minister Farrakhan is not going to get you any favor with ALLAH. Minister Farrakhan always wins with the help of ALLAH, you or your slavemaster cant stop The Will Of ALLAH!
cherrytwochain 11 months ago
@VoyageIslam Do you believe Elijah Poole when he says Blacks come from the moon? What about Farrakhan he claims that a star ship follows him everywhere he goes. The sad part is you know I am not lying.
VoyageIslam 11 months ago
@VoyageIslam I DO NOT BELIEVE IN ISLAM or ANY OTHER RELIGION but I even know from HISTORICAL FACTS learned, AND RESEARCHED that ISLAM was STARTED BY WHITE SKINNED ARABS and LATER FORCED UPON AFRICAN PEOPLE which in turned ENSLAVED THEM. I give YOU CREDIT for at least practicing TRUE ISLAM as compared to the NOI WHICH HAS PRETTY MUCH ABANDONED the FIGHT against the "white oppressors" that THEY SAY ARE THE ENEMY....NOW THEY JOIN FORCES WITH SOME.
blackbirdmarkvii 7 months ago
Lost...I can show you things in the Bible you have never seen. Just because you accept the lies taught by the white man doesn't mean everyone has. What you believe is what white people have added to the PURE teachings of Jesus, who was a Muslim...he was in submission to his Father, Allah.
nubiagold 11 months ago
@BlacksAreBeautiful / Of course the Messenger could place someone in his seat, by athority of Allah. Obey Allah and his Messenger. Whatever instructions the Mesenger gave, were instructions from Allah.
nubiagold 11 months ago
THIS NIGGA SOUNDS LIKE A FLAMER AND HIS SUBJECT IS DOODOO...SO IS HIS ATTEMPT TO MAKE ANY SENSE TO SOMEONE WHO EVER HEARD ELIJAH MUHAMMAD SPEAK ONE SENTENCE.
SHABAZZTRIBE 11 months ago
@ShaAllah7 RIGHT AND EXACT! TEACH ON LOYALTY
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eliasmusiqcom 11 months ago
@eliasmusiqcom / The Messenger himself taught that some whites/devils would be saved, but whites would not go beyond 1000 years into the hereafter. The whiteman is still the devil, the teaching hasn't changed...we just don't have a kindergarden understanding of the message. Master Fard Muhammad talked to many whites before making himself known to the blackman, he came in and out of America for 20 years and lived with some white families...think man.
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@eliasmusiqcom / Shows how much you listen...The Minister has NEVER stated The Messenger created the heavens and the earth. Keep searching bro.........
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@eliasmusiqcom / I was there...and he never said Elijah Muhammad is the creator, he did say he is alive, and I believe he is alive. The Government keeps a record of all deaths in America...right? They don't have a listing for Elijah Muhammad...check for yourself. These crackers could make Minister look foolish if they produce this document, but they never do.... The mothership or wheel is real. The whiteman knows this also. The God who created the universe...is dead...but his wisdom is with us.
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eliasmusiqcom 11 months ago
@eliasmusiqcom / It went right over your little head...why are you so emotional? Is it because you "think" God is a ghost? God set up laws that even he has to submit too. Every living thing dies...even God. When you look at movies like "TROY" you see the people worrying about angering the Gods, this is because the whiteman was taught the truth, but because he is such a deciever, he put fairytales into the truth. Check revelation Ch 5, you read about the Gods and one who is "SUPREME".
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@eliasmusiqcom / The NOI doesn't teach hate or the hatred of anyone. We don't love our enemies. Since you love the Minister, keep watching his video's here and you will learn something. That's all I can say.
nubiagold 11 months ago
@nubiagold - I have learned farrakhans followers believe the Creator of the Universe is dead, I have learned farrakhans followers believe The Creator of the Universe is a man.. I have learned you all attempt to use scripture to prove your own points. I have learned you all ignore scripture that directly disagress's with you all, Like Numbers chapt 22 or 23 vrs 22 or 23 that state the Yahweh is not a man that lies, I have learned you all are quite lost & I can spot a phony
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@ShaAllah7 / So just do your thing, and us mindless followers will do our thing, and we'll see how it turns out.
nubiagold 11 months ago
keep drinking the cult kool-aid, dumbass.
SPGoblivion 1 year ago
This form of confusion and insanity is rather interesting.
Brainwashing also.
Lets wait how this ends.
NomenNesci0 1 year ago
The messenger never instructed any believer to take up a course of Dale Carnegie.It was Yusuf Shah ,the Supreme Captain that went on his own accord to study that course.Please state the facts right
hughierose25 1 year ago
How come they refer to these "Holy Men" as honorable but your their Mother isnt refered to as honorable when they speak of them.
DirtMurkDog 1 year ago
I just had a nice dream: Mr Farrakhan said the God he professes to worship didn't exist - there isn't any evidence to support any such claim. All religions are man-made and you should treat ANYBODY calling themselves a minister or priest or such with the highest suspicion.
MrDarkbloom 1 year ago
Good Man
YunGProphetLove 1 year ago
Satan is the enemy.....
rod11672000 1 year ago
@rod11672000 Most of the schools you went to their knowledge comes from Satan as well. So you will throw away your education? The computer you use comes from Satan as well. I guess you'll throw away that, right?
Originalman320 1 year ago
study this video ....has he proven that dianetics is correct ...these teachings attemp to rid you of the sub conscience mind....warning this is what drove him crazy....
everybody is not stupid that thinks for them self.......islam is Mathematics...and based on the subconscience MIND....the light of righteousness....the wicked will snuff out there own light (subconscience)
reademup38 1 year ago
hell of a point Bro.! you know how many books we've read with caucasian authors? the unseen hand, behold a pale horse, pawns in the game.... etc.. the list goes on
MrJonasprayer144 1 year ago
It is so sad that no one can challenge a poor decision being made my one of our leaders without being branded a slanderer, backbiter, or hypocrite. This brother's points are so weak that it is ridiculous.
I'm watching him throw ignorant jabs at Bro. Lance but, beyond his jabs, his points remain as soft as cotton.
Inviting the Nazis to speak and having your followers follow their program are two different things. You have to know when you're being led down the wrong road.
zerahkyah 1 year ago
To use real technology, as in the Toyota the brother mentioned or to fly on an aircraft or to view videos on YouTube is one thing, but to call L.Ron Hubbard's pseudo-science a "technology" is pure nonsense!
angoleirodvgr 1 year ago
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Don't you just love how he is referring to ToryMagoo44 as some white woman, and suggests we shouldn't listen to her because of her whiteness, but then later says we should recognize and acknowledge truth no matter where it comes from? She never claimed to be an authority on the NOI, she claims that the COS is pure BS. it's embarrassing that "some old white lady" even has to point that out to you bros. Go study the lessons, I doubt any one of you/us can claim to have mastered those yet
BlacksAreBeautiful 1 year ago
This brothers argument is so fundamentally flawed. I'm confident there are laborers in HIS mosque that barely know their lessons or have mastered the problem book. MFM was the author of these books their for had already mastered them BEFORE enrolling in UCLA. To say that's what we should do sounds like a 10yr old child who wants to move out on his own. I'm not saying there isn't anything of value to gain from this, but first things first. cont...
BlacksAreBeautiful 1 year ago
@BlacksAreBeautiful cont...ThEM "ADVISED" the laborers to study Carnegie's book not COMPELLED them. We were only COMPELLED to study our lessons, the books and his articles. Lastly, if it turns out that the black nation is compelled at some point to study something else, that instruction should come from GOD himself, not some self appointed, self exalted representative!!!!
BlacksAreBeautiful 1 year ago
@BlacksAreBeautiful / Why do you care what those that are with Farrakhan do? Let us be lost brotha...... Do you have something to offer? If you do, then offer it and stop crying.
nubiagold 1 year ago
@nubiagold Why do you care what I have to say? I never said anything to you! Stop wasting time on Youtube and go let L Ron Hubbard train you on how to organize the NOI!
BlacksAreBeautiful 1 year ago
@BlacksAreBeautiful / AGAIN...what's it to you what the NOI does. Keep crying on the sidelines "i hate Farrakhan". You are a fool...The Minister is the best Blackman on the scene right now. The hell with all of his enemies.
nubiagold 1 year ago
The BEST BLackman on the scene is actually MFM. He lives through his supreme lessons. Anyone who has been made to believe that the COS can deliver a more thorough life giving teaching than this man, is truly the FOOL! "After learning Mathematics, which is Islam, and Islam is Mathematics it stands true. You can always prove it at no limit of time. Then you must learn to use it and secure some benefit while you are living - that is luxury, money, good homes, friendship in all walks of life."
BlacksAreBeautiful 1 year ago