These are fake Mexican wolves. DNA study proved they have dog and coyote in them. This is just one more Million dollar scam to put ranchers out of work and waste MILLIONS of tax payer dollars as people are literally freezing to death in the street. Sickening that Americans care more about animals then their fellow citizens.
Science doesn’t support that 7,000 gray wolves nationwide constitutes successful recovery. For a species to recover and resume its natural role, particularly important in the case of wolves, it needs ecologically effective, viable populations throughout as much of its historic range as can sustain it. We need wolves to restore our lands and wildlife. This won't happen in the Southwest without Mexican gray wolves, a very different subspecies of gray wolf, uniquely evolved to Southwest conditions.
The Mexican gray wolves in the Southwest would be doomed by this. However, while this second extinction is a critical issue, of equal importance is removing science and substituting politics for endangered-species decisions. The Endangered Species Act, which includes a process for delisting, was created by a bi-partian effort and is well-supported by the American people. Moving delisting by an act of Congress removes science and substitutes special interest in decision regarding delisting.
"In this television interview, Mexican gray wolf conservation advocate Jean Ossorio talks about the dangers of congressional efforts to take away endangered species protections for wolves."
I heard nothing in this video other than "a population of 42 wolves is not a recovered population," GUESS WHAT... the Gray wolves, as according to the ESA, includes the Mexican subspecies, which means... the total population is more like 7,000+. Gray wolves are NOT endangered and deserve to be delisted.
@numufu@numufu She did mention 42 animals but she also knows they're talking about specifically the Mexican wolf. Because it's a sub-species of the gray wolf it should be delisted? I guess since we have a couple species of birds then the rest can go too? I don't understand how you missed that this is about Mexican Wolves. There is also the Artic Wolf. I mean I know this is a regional developed type wolf by they still deserve to be saved. What's your gripe?
@LokiDWolf The quote I pasted refers to Gray wolves as a whole, not just Mexican wolves. You think they're delisting the wolves is BECAUSE they're Mexican wolves? No. They're targetting specifically the wolves of the Rockies (and the Great Lakes, but more so the Rockies). These two subspecies have met and overshot their recovery goals and therefore deserve to be delisted.
@numufu Oh ok so you're stating take the Gray Wolf off and leave the Mexican Wolf on? Because the subject is about the Mexican Wolf. So though you think they should all be put together because they're ALL wolves makes no sense. Again, it's like the bird example I used. We have Bald Eagles and Golden Eagles. Because the Bald Eagle has recovered oh well for the Golden Eagle?! WTH?!
@LokiDWolf While this video might be talking specifically about Mexican wolves, the political debate/issue is referring to ALL GRAY WOLVES. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that. So, yes, I say push for the bill to acknowledge the Mexican wolves as a Distinct Population Segment and delist the others (Rockies and Great Lakes) since they have overshot recovery goals.
@LokiDWolf To add, your bird example makes absolutely NO sense considering Bald and Golden Eagles are not related to each other and both species are of Least Concern and therefore are not endangered. They were listed as threatened in the US but were removed in 2007 - overall species status (worldwide) is LEAST CONCERN according to the IUCN.
The bird example made perfect sense. The Bald Eagle and Golden Eagle ARE related to each other considering they're both members of the bird family, Accipitridae. In other words it's just like the Mexican wolf and Grey wolf are related.
My point is the wolf, all species, needs to be saved for the simple fact of how they keep balance in the ecology of things. That might not be a big deal to you but to those that aren't political but know the science of it all, it is! And rightly so!
No, it doesn't, because like you just said the Bald eagle and Golden eagle are apart of the same family whereas the Gray wolf is the name of a species and the Mexican wolf is simply a SUBSPECIES of the Gray wolf. So once again that analogy does not work.
It isn't my opinion but the opinion of The Wildlife Society which represents over 10,000 expert wildife professionals and also the opinion of the USFW, the federal agency responsible for scientific management of our species.
Should you be reminded that subspecies are not that important - especially with wolves. The wolves in Arizona can be linked genetically to the wolves in Russia for example. Wolves, being the highly adaptable and wide-ranging animals that they are, subspecies differences are minor and inconsequential - science has proven this and even hardcore environmentalist and wolf advocates have promoted this for years! ("Wolves don't know invisible boundaries" etc).
You should also be reminded that the Obama administration threw out the Bush era of the ESA which included Distinct Population Segments, which is about time! Now animal populations cannot be listed as endangered just because there may only be 50 in one state (which is currently the situation happening with wolves in the lower 48 - because there are well over 20,000 in Alaska!)
Love how Ossario always implies the minimum number is the maximum on the ground. Pathetic that those are the tactics they always use.
wolfcrossing 1 month ago
Lol the wolf lady ....i need to take a crap ...be right back am a lil bunched up
morpho1954 1 month ago
These are fake Mexican wolves. DNA study proved they have dog and coyote in them. This is just one more Million dollar scam to put ranchers out of work and waste MILLIONS of tax payer dollars as people are literally freezing to death in the street. Sickening that Americans care more about animals then their fellow citizens.
BruceH59 1 year ago
Science doesn’t support that 7,000 gray wolves nationwide constitutes successful recovery. For a species to recover and resume its natural role, particularly important in the case of wolves, it needs ecologically effective, viable populations throughout as much of its historic range as can sustain it. We need wolves to restore our lands and wildlife. This won't happen in the Southwest without Mexican gray wolves, a very different subspecies of gray wolf, uniquely evolved to Southwest conditions.
roxanegeorge 1 year ago
The Mexican gray wolves in the Southwest would be doomed by this. However, while this second extinction is a critical issue, of equal importance is removing science and substituting politics for endangered-species decisions. The Endangered Species Act, which includes a process for delisting, was created by a bi-partian effort and is well-supported by the American people. Moving delisting by an act of Congress removes science and substitutes special interest in decision regarding delisting.
chedisky 1 year ago
"In this television interview, Mexican gray wolf conservation advocate Jean Ossorio talks about the dangers of congressional efforts to take away endangered species protections for wolves."
I heard nothing in this video other than "a population of 42 wolves is not a recovered population," GUESS WHAT... the Gray wolves, as according to the ESA, includes the Mexican subspecies, which means... the total population is more like 7,000+. Gray wolves are NOT endangered and deserve to be delisted.
numufu 1 year ago
@numufu @numufu She did mention 42 animals but she also knows they're talking about specifically the Mexican wolf. Because it's a sub-species of the gray wolf it should be delisted? I guess since we have a couple species of birds then the rest can go too? I don't understand how you missed that this is about Mexican Wolves. There is also the Artic Wolf. I mean I know this is a regional developed type wolf by they still deserve to be saved. What's your gripe?
LokiDWolf 1 year ago
@LokiDWolf The quote I pasted refers to Gray wolves as a whole, not just Mexican wolves. You think they're delisting the wolves is BECAUSE they're Mexican wolves? No. They're targetting specifically the wolves of the Rockies (and the Great Lakes, but more so the Rockies). These two subspecies have met and overshot their recovery goals and therefore deserve to be delisted.
numufu 1 year ago
@numufu Oh ok so you're stating take the Gray Wolf off and leave the Mexican Wolf on? Because the subject is about the Mexican Wolf. So though you think they should all be put together because they're ALL wolves makes no sense. Again, it's like the bird example I used. We have Bald Eagles and Golden Eagles. Because the Bald Eagle has recovered oh well for the Golden Eagle?! WTH?!
LokiDWolf 1 year ago
@LokiDWolf While this video might be talking specifically about Mexican wolves, the political debate/issue is referring to ALL GRAY WOLVES. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that. So, yes, I say push for the bill to acknowledge the Mexican wolves as a Distinct Population Segment and delist the others (Rockies and Great Lakes) since they have overshot recovery goals.
numufu 1 year ago
@LokiDWolf To add, your bird example makes absolutely NO sense considering Bald and Golden Eagles are not related to each other and both species are of Least Concern and therefore are not endangered. They were listed as threatened in the US but were removed in 2007 - overall species status (worldwide) is LEAST CONCERN according to the IUCN.
numufu 1 year ago
@numufu
The bird example made perfect sense. The Bald Eagle and Golden Eagle ARE related to each other considering they're both members of the bird family, Accipitridae. In other words it's just like the Mexican wolf and Grey wolf are related.
My point is the wolf, all species, needs to be saved for the simple fact of how they keep balance in the ecology of things. That might not be a big deal to you but to those that aren't political but know the science of it all, it is! And rightly so!
LokiDWolf 9 months ago
@LokiDWolf
No, it doesn't, because like you just said the Bald eagle and Golden eagle are apart of the same family whereas the Gray wolf is the name of a species and the Mexican wolf is simply a SUBSPECIES of the Gray wolf. So once again that analogy does not work.
It isn't my opinion but the opinion of The Wildlife Society which represents over 10,000 expert wildife professionals and also the opinion of the USFW, the federal agency responsible for scientific management of our species.
numufu 9 months ago
@LokiDWolf
Should you be reminded that subspecies are not that important - especially with wolves. The wolves in Arizona can be linked genetically to the wolves in Russia for example. Wolves, being the highly adaptable and wide-ranging animals that they are, subspecies differences are minor and inconsequential - science has proven this and even hardcore environmentalist and wolf advocates have promoted this for years! ("Wolves don't know invisible boundaries" etc).
numufu 9 months ago
You should also be reminded that the Obama administration threw out the Bush era of the ESA which included Distinct Population Segments, which is about time! Now animal populations cannot be listed as endangered just because there may only be 50 in one state (which is currently the situation happening with wolves in the lower 48 - because there are well over 20,000 in Alaska!)
numufu 9 months ago
@numufu oh stfu ya bloody kunt
stanmusial111 8 months ago
@stanmusial111
You mad, bro?
numufu 8 months ago
@numufu i just farted, want to take a wiff of my asshole?
stanmusial111 8 months ago
@stanmusial111
UMADBRO.
numufu 8 months ago