Amazing how many PAID dis-info agents are trolling this thread and trying desperately to convince uninformed (median IQ) people how the "official story" still holds water... unfortunately, you inevitably reaffirm the more intelligent, free-thinking people towards the truth with every impractical, clinging post you make. The intelligent, free thinking people are the ones holding more power in these circumstances... and your defense of the illogical exposes the falsity on increasing higher levels.
@beccabratlust i know it was 4months ago but can you provide me with a link. I cant find anything... and as far as i know Danny Jowenko was one of the first experts who said that an official story is a joke...
@beccabratlust well thats right, one person says one thing , another says another. if one man said"i witnessed a murder and i found a weapon" and another man said "no that's not true". in england these two people would be brought to court. is this so? If it was my mother that had been killed and i heard there was a potential weapon found,I would be demanding a reinvestigation! As are many of the 9/11 family members. why deny them that right?
@beccabratlust so you say: when the fires reached 358 degrees in the areas there were fires - for aprox (6 hours) the building then collapses down(pancake style) with plumes of dust. o.k
Maybe you should speak to Richard gage? and tell him it only takes 358 c for 2 -6 hrs. Do you think he and the thousands of other professionals know this?
@beccabratlust i cant help you, i'm still researching and asking questions. i haven't decided on what to believe , but there is definitely something very wrong and there are murderers still free in society , walking around , no matter what theory you believe. unless you think osama was solely to blame , was killed like the media said and this 9/11 case is all wrapped up.
"A Whacky Idea" "Can I put 'Nano-Thermite' in my tooth fillings?" These two anchors are playing Gage for the joke that he is and he's too lame to figure it out. Classic moment in the interview is when Gage states to the female "You're getting it." uh...yeah, she's figured Gage has the IQ of a donut.
it's a bastard act, they killed the indians virtually, nuked hiroshima and nagashaky, trialled the remaining nazis and now this... enough. So these are god soldiers? Let god bless us all somehow!
Two massive airliners (loaded with more than enough jet fuel to make it to california) crash into the twin towers (like a giant exploding missile) tearing away at the structure of the building (4 stories high) setting off a jet-fueled inferno reaching more than 2,000 degrees in temperature, melting the steel structure causing it to collapse. And the conspiracy nuts say...
"Oh boy!!! Why would you believe all of THAT brought down the towers?!"
@ilisbaani i wonder, did you hear about WTC 7 ? Because it was not hit by an aeroplane ,no impact , no jet fuel , but it fell on its own foot print on the same day September 11th 2001 with molten iron and thermite to be found in the remains.
No impact? What about the impact caused by the part of the tower that fell on it? If your going to put forward an argument you should do it honestly. There was impact even thought you will no doubt deem it insignificant.
@SamCoreJ no impact by an aeroplane, and my reply was to 'ilisbaani' as he was talking about the buildings collapsing due to jet impacts and calling people nuts for rightly questioning the events , with blatant evidence of controlled demolition. Building seven had very little damage and fell on its own footprint with thermite all over new york. Silverstein said he had the building pulled on 9/11. It takes weeks of planning to pull a building. it was all ready to go on the day! jesus.
You think he would be stupid enough claim he organised a controlled demolition on building 7 on the day of 9/11? This is a great example of conspiracy theorists hearing something and drawing the wrong conclusion. When he 'pull it' he was talking about the operation. He said "we have had such terrible loss of life, the responsible thing to do is pull it". In other words, we've lost enough people, get your men out of there.
Building 7 had a massive chunk taken out of it buy collapsing debris from the tower and had substantial fires on the ground floor which had to hold the weight of 50 stories above it. Some pictures and video used for conspiracy peddling don't show this for obvious reasons. To say there was very little damage is just not an accurate evaluation.
While I agree with your point, I should just correct you because your going fuel one of the conspiracy theorists favourite counter arguments which is the steel wouldn't have been hot enough to melt. And it wouldn't. But it was hot enough to weaken the steel frame to the point it could no longer support the MASSES of weight it was holding and collapsed.
@SamCoreJ Good point. weaken not melt. that is true. But you cannot make a building collapse down as these buiding did by fire and impact alone, it takes precision timing of incendiary, weeks of planning and setting up. there was thermite blown across the city. Thermite used for demolition. molten iron at the base of the towers for weeks later. incredible temperatures not possible by jet fuel or the materials found in the buildings..
@SamCoreJ so it turns out allot of the steel did actually melt, pools of molten material at the base after the collapse. Which is impossible, unless something like thermite is used. which was found across the city in the dust and debris . hence all the millions of web pages and videos across the web trying to inspire an investigation.
The web is also littered with people believing they have evidence of ghosts and alien sightings. Billions of people believe in a God of some sort, many conflicting with each other anyway. Humans are more than capable of extremely poor judgment in their masses. Its good to raise the question and all that but its also good to be able to remain objective and recognise when your wrong.
@SamCoreJ and what of the thermite across new york? the molten iron at the base? and the buildings collapsing down on their footprint? how do you put your mind at rest with these facts? please help explain this, i am not so far over the fence as you may think. i am still open minded to any evidence and theories you may have.
If you go to the website 'debunking911' dot com, there is a tab called "Molten Steel Explained". You will find far better explanations than I can give you in this short comment. The whole site objectively and rationally analyses conspiracy claims. As anyone reads the information on that site they should start to realise how weak and poorly researched the conspiracy theories actually are.
@SamCoreJ Right, I read that website. Pathetic at most. Reminds me of the 9-11 commission. Building 7 collapsed. COLLAPSED. Do you need someone to tell you why? I know why, its legs were taken out from it with bombs! Dont be a douch bag.
Liars and paid posters troll the Internet all times of the day. Some of you are told to target particular posters. I suppose witch Ann told you to target me tonight. No problem. I have heard and seen everything you witches post. It is always the same, Standards are "you need medication." Twoofers, tinfoil hats.
I hope you are watching ABC right nows. They are exposing witchcraft and satanism. Las Vegas is place many satanic rituals are performed. Witches inhabit every town & city.
Look I know that Ann Cappelletti runs the groups of paid witch & punk posters. Ann has even sent me a message on a forum. I used to call her fat Ann. She said in the post,"This is "FAT ANN."
I know, witch boy, that it is your job to harass and post propaganda against the truth of 911. Many people already the you shills are paid. You are paid by U.S. tax payers. 1st from money stolen from the Pentagon, $2.3 trillion, now Congress allocated money for paid perp poster w Operation Earnest Voice.
The PLANE graphic generated on 911 toward WTC2 was a PVI virtual animation. Princeton Video Image LVIS graphic WAS generated at CBS. CBS bought a PVI computer in 2000 for the Early Show.
Ann, Joyce, John & Mike Cappelletti & the other 10 of the master 11 have had their witch powers taken away or weakened in 2007. They are powerless, it is time to expose them for what they are Luciferians. Obama is a reptilian. He even told The View about his reptilian side of his brain. Open your eyes.
PLEASE the perps stacked witnesses and stories for 4 years before 911. The masonic plan was 100 years old. See, Albert Pike writings.
Mazzini was a 33 degree mason who gave the mafia its name: that "Mazzini autorizza furti, incendi e attentati," meaning, 'Mazzini authorizes theft, arson, and kidnapping.' This phrase was shortened to the acronym, M.A.F.I.A.
You posters are part of the SOCK PUPPET program, Operation Earnest Voice-mercenaries run by Ann Cappelletti who knows all witches.
Why no reports of teams of men coming in for over 6 months carrying large amounts of cargo? Why did NONE of the the thousands of workers ask questions about these men, if they were in fact there? How did the teams knock down walls and apply explosives in the lobby, with average people walking in and out of the lobby all day. People rigging a building with a explosives isn't exactly something you can miss lol A job that big would me unheard of in the industry, and would require an empty building
Time for you all to learn that Barbara Bush & Ann Cappelletti are illegitimate witch daughters of Aleister Crowley. Crowley disciples were sent to find 20 yr old Sicilian girls for sex tantra w Crowley at Abbey of Thelema to procreate the ANTICHRIST. Kicked out of Italy by Mussolini, Crowley went to Paris to stay w Frank Harris where Pauline Pierce worked for Crowley as a sex assistant, Pauline returned to U.S. in 10/24 pregnant gave birth to Barb 6/1925. Open your eyes to govt corruption.
Time to force Congress to investigate 911. $2.3 trillion was stolen by Rumsfeld et al from the Pentagon budget to pay for the 911 mega ritual. Insurance plots were set in place for real estate fraud-set up fake company leases. The towers were virtually empty, GUTTED for PLANNED 911 implosions.
911 1941 ground breaking for Pentagon, 911 1990 1st Bush NWO speech, 911 1997 Securacom goes public, becames Stratesec--Marvin Bush comp. Bush got Cappelletti cousins clearance for WTC. INVESTIGATE.
@074August No, the 2.3 trillion was not "mysteriously" misplaced or stolen, anyone who knows economics can tell you exactly why that money is lost, you are just spewing your average conspiracy babble. Nothing new.
The biggest demolition rigging on a building was a on a building smaller than Building 7, it still took a whole 6 months to prepare. The whole building was stripped and each main support point had explosives attached to it .
There is no way the thousands of workers inside the WTC buildings, wouldn't notice demolition teams walking in with tons of explosives/ therm*te, knocking down walls, and applying tons of explosives to bare beams for over 6 months. Emplyees couldn't even work lol
Who doesn't know Barbara Bush & Ann Cappelletti are illegitimate witch daughters of Aleister Crowley, chosen by the occultists in the U.S. govt to head up the 911 mega ritual. Ann & Barb got together in 1970s to get the witch Bushes into WH w the craft. Ann grew up in the STREGA witch community of South Philadelphia. Ann's reptilian witch coven is in Upper Darby Pa region, 90 miles from WTC, conveniently located to Philadelphia Naval Business Center where military grade explosives were acquired.
11 master occultists, witches masons were ea in his/her assigned spots on 911: Bush, Cheney, Tenet, Bush's witch aunt Ann Cappelletti, Bill Gates, Giuliani, Condi Rice, Schwarzenegger, Silverstein, Soros & Saddam Hussein, not dead 33 degr mason, needed to pull off the 911 hoax. Bush witch cousins John & Mike Cappelletti's demolition company gutted & planted explosives in WTC for the 911 mega ritual to usher in the antichrist & for massive FRAUD. 1000s are involved & still paid to post propaganda
Lower Manhattan Cultural Council world views art students lived & worked on floors 91, 92 in WTC1, 2. Gelitin's book & Site Matters chronicle art students in WTC 1 & 2 living & working there 24/7 from 1997 to 2001. Gelitin said floors above where they were were EMPTY. Why are there only 405 reported deaths on the Social Security death list for NY STATE DEATH LIST FOR September 2001. WHY because they were FRAUD.
Bush CAPPELLETTI, cousins' demolition company gutted & planted explosives. in WTC.
Richard Gage should know that to withhold information of a crime is illegal. I highly recommend he submits his evidence of this so-called "inside job" ASAP or risk being prosecuted.
Perpetrators were enriched from $2 million each family got. Go to letsrollforums and see what research has been done on 911 fraud. There were no people in the Towers above 90. Some people died by they were not people who worked in the towers. Dun & Bradstreet can only confirm 30% of the companies who were supposed to be working in the Towers. I suggest you stop lying. 911 was a day of INSURANCE FRAUD. Insider trading, put options, death hoax fraud, vicsims, real estate and art insurance fraud.
@074August There was no insurance fraud, the reason people put money on all those things before 911 was because the plane companies changed protocol. Put options and insider trading. This is one of the reason the terrorists attacks happened in the time frame they did. You seem to forget Osama's lackys were planning this years. 2 million dollars for each family isn't anything. People say Silverstein gained, but he is out a billion and a half. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.
AE911 only has around 88 qualified relevant experts that I could identify (active High-rise architects, Civil, Structural and Fire Protection Engineers). The Civil, Structural and Fire Protection engineers add up to about 85 engineers. Stephen Barasch, Les Young and Robert McCoy are the only high-rise architects in AE911 that I could identify. In reality, Structural Engineers are the most qualified over all. I have a list of hundreds of Civil and Structural Engineers who support global collapse.
Who of you has not seen the HOLLOW TOWERS videos? Gelitin erected a balcony outside of floor 91 in spring 2000, the pass says May 2000 some say March. The point is that Gelitin published a book re their escapade in 2000 & Site Matters, Lower Manhattan Cultural Council art students book, is for sale on Amazon.com. Business were not above 91. Look at empty floors. There were only dummy companies. stevenwarran found dun & bradstreet said businesses did not exist in WTC1 & 2, Look it up.
it was a single demo device for each building. All major buildings require a demo plan BEFORE CONSTRUCTION CAN START. Conventional demo couldn't do the job, even Sears tower has the same demo plan.
PS humans can't hear an underground nuclear detonation, the freq is too low.
(look @ the dust, it's a rearranged composition of granite)
@cheerdiver Look at the video of the twin towers. There are multiply explosions going off. Look at the video.
The problem for AE911truth is that Lower Manhattan Cultural Council World Views art students lived on floor 91 92 from 1997 to 2001 in the towers. That means there were no businesses above 90. Ace Elevator had access to the buildings Bush cousins John & Mike Cappellettis' demolition company had access through Stratesec, Marvin Bush, 911 was INSURANCE FRAUD TO THE MAX.
@074August Too bad nobody gained from this "Insurance fruad" lol Silverstein was awarded 2.3 billion for each act of terrorism (4.6 billion), but since he is the lease holder, he had to rebuild the Towers (6.3 billion), and has already started doing so. So if the Towers were really "white elephants" as some people say, then it seems he's out over a billion and a half dollars. He meant "pull" the contingent of firefighters by the way, "pull" means to take down building remains with cables anyway.
Nice Ad Hominem argument. Retard, really? What are you, 12? Go play your Xbox son and hopefully you will understand one day what a False Flag is, and how other countries have used this tactic many times. History. Read it.
@XxRushx Truthers have no scientific facts they just have a bunch of made up bullshit lies and opinions that they used to form a little fantasy world. Truthers are fucking deluded little idiots that prefer to live with their head up their assholes in a world of fantasy then face reality. Truthers are fucking idiots.
@XxRushx that is because you fucking idiots do not have the education need to understand the "official story". You prefer to live with your heads up your assholes then accept reality. You Truther assholes are a sad pathetic group of fucking idiots.
@XxRushx computer engineers, mechanical engineers, electrical engineers, marine engineers etc and architects are not structural engineers nor are they controlled demo experts.Of the 1500 engineers only a few hundred are structural engineers.And a few hundred out of the few million engineers worldwide is far from majority (less than one percent of one percent). Just because less than one percent of the people think it was CD it does not override or disprove the vast majority. AEtruth is bullshit
this is why the pools were found only deep in the rubble and the proof of this continued combustion is the smoke that was continually produced weeks after the collapse, with thermite on the other hand the pools would have been found immadiately and not only in the depths of the rubble and would have cooled down much faster than what happened.
u guys are making a very big deal of the molten iron indeed thing is that it is not entirely inexplicable and actually the original plane crash 'theory' explains it better than thermite.
what happens is the heat weakens not melts the structure in the attack causing a collapse however there is still lots of uncombust material trapped under the rubble which burns in the intense heat creating a pressure pot effect which then melted the iron.
@derp3n3trat0r, very scientific explanation, you have convinced me. I know the truth is hard to swallow ideologically, and the idea that your government was behind the collapse of the three towers must be a scary one indeed. But we have to really contemplate the implications of the evidence presented by A&E for 9/11. We must take it deadly serious, because so many people have died, and the wars were waged based on tenuous evidence that has not been independently assessed by an outside observer.
The government of the United States of America did not bring down the twin towers, religious fanatics did. 911 happened just like the media, the government and your psychiatrist said. This so called engineer does not even know how the building was constructed it was not a standard steel building, but had a very unique construction.
As for the cut beam, you may be right. I don't claim omniscience and will always freely admit if I'm not sure of something. Regardless, this piece of evidence is extremely minor to the argument at hand, and does nothing the disprove the mountain of evidence piling up against you, not to mention plain common-sense physics. I gladly throw it away and will never mention it again, as it has no bearing on anything. Any more bold-faced lies you'd care to espouse? I'm enjoying refining my argument
@Emvaz22 You are not refining an argument, you are piling up bull and it just stinks more. Every source you cite gives these examples of "evidence" that contradicts the assumption. ie that there would be pools of molten material days later from a steel cutting operation. In order to have that you would have needed a foundry built in the WTC and it would have needed to be fired for hours. An aluminum foundry takes over a day to melt the material in its furnace I know I worked in one.
A publication by the National Environmental Health Association quotes Ron Burger, a public health advisor at the National Center for Environmental Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who arrived at Ground Zero on the evening of September 12th. Burger stated:
Feeling the heat, seeing the molten steel, the layers upon layers of ash, like lava, it reminded me of Mt. St. Helen’s and the thousands who fled that disaster.
@Emvaz22 You can Google the internet and send these statements to PH'd of another sort. I wont because I sat as a student in classrooms and although a lazy student my professors regarded my thinking as exceptional. Any PH'd or Scd (MIT engineering Doctorate of Science) will tell you that "molten steel" a day later at WTC is an impossibility. Given the amount of material that would be required to get hot enough, the fuel required and the amount of heat sink material surrounding.
@Emvaz22 First off you argue that you are going to cut beams with a special form of thermite. if you did that the resultant molten material would be solid before the material reached the ground after falling 800+feet. for you thermite to work effectively at all it will heat steel no more than an oxy-acetyline system, which really melts and burns away material- the oxidization reaction does no pool up gallons of molten material, most material solidifies before hitting the ground.
A report in the Johns Hopkins Public Health Magazine about recovery work in late October quotes Alison Geyh, Ph.D., as stating:
Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel.
A Messenger-Inquirer report recounts the experiences of Bronx firefighter "Toolie" O'Toole, who stated that some of the beams lifted from deep within the catacombs of Ground Zero by cranes were "dripping from the molten steel."
9/11 was not done by Muslims it was by the US government, I am not bothered weather we here are Muslims Christians or Jews but, they killed 3,000 to go to war they did not care about their religion or anything they just killed them. then they went to war and killed and raped many innocent civilians, and yet people support the government, infact the government does not give a shit about you, they will do anything to kill humans....and they will continue until killed....!
@BattleGround16 As a Son of the American Revolution, descendant of countless American fighting Men and Women, a son, nephew and cousin of over 20 WWII, Korea, Vietnam veterans, a veteran myself and a person that lives by a code answering only to Almighty God, take care not to make such statements in public, if someone like me hears that you will be getting a dose of calcium you don;t want. You have insulted my brothers in the Navy and Marine Corp- I don't tolerate that for a millisecond.
@BattleGround16 Ya the government is evil so what full of cowards and deviates headed by the biggest wimp on the planet pretty much. Fact is it is better than most of the world and the only reason why it is so evil is democracy and the right to vote is just given out to everyone and exercised by less than 30 percent. I am the percent the government wants to lock away because I have no fear and I have a brain, All you do is read a pile of BS and swallow it whole- like a whore for a pimp.
@BattleGround16 This view is shallow and uneducated. "The government" is a hugely complex web of elected officials, but mostly unelected officials who lobby for corporate or investor interests, and to claim in a blanket statement that it is evil is narrow-minded. It would be more accurate to say that there is an evil element within the government. Even then, I don't believe in "evil" as an absolute. No man acts without justification in his own mind, it creates cognitive dissonance.
@BattleGround16 Whenever I hear a person call somebody or some action evil, I know the more likely scenario is that that person doesn't understand the full set of facts.
@BattleGround16 Here's the point: One does not have to believe in an "evil" group of men who wants nothing but to suck the life from humanity to believe that 9/11 was orchestrated. If one takes into account the reality of our situation as humans on this planet, along with the political and economic realities of the day, it really is no stretch of the imagination to be able to justify 9/11 in ones own mind. It it evil, or is it just the harsh reality?
@stellaelectric1 I think Ill take the word of the rescue workers who were at the scene of the crime ACTUALLY helping rather than some loon who would overlook the bodies at a massacre in favor of scrutinizing the trim on the carpet. You want to pull the "my ancestors fought for this country" card? As irrelevant as it is to the argument, I'll play. My ancestor, Stephen Hopkins, came over on the Mayflower and signed the fist legal document of the colonies, the Mayflower Compact.
@stellaelectric1 I have more ancestors that have been in more wars than I could count. My grandfather fought in Vietnam, Korea, WWII, and then served 3 tours of duty at the Pentagon under the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and retired a Full-Bird Colonel.
You realize that in the same thread you have myopically defended your 9/11 position while at the same time claiming democracy is evil because too many people vote and the government wants you locked up...and you question my sanity, or patriotism?
The reason why Gage pisses me off is that he knows he is repeating garbage. I would not hire him because either he is lying or he is too stupid to know better.
@stellaelectric1 Tell your boss at whatever defense contractor or pentagon-tied construction firm you work at that your $200/hr could be used more effectively somewhere else. Despite your best efforts ,we don't buy your pseudoscience here; go get reassigned to some other blog .
@Emvaz22 I am independently employed, the only government contract I worked on was the Big Dig for Bechtel, I have also worked for American Power Conversion, General Electric, also 2 of the most renowned engineering firms in NYC, and the worlds most expensive top of the line manufacturer of generator paralleling equipment as a lead engineer and project engineer. I know more about electricity that 99.9% of the population. I KNOW JACK- YOU DONT KNOW JACK Sh*t. Maybe you can email me at recess.
@stellaelectric1 I'm not saying that high voltage can't melt steel, I'm just saying that to attribute the multiple tons of molten iron beneath all three towers to battery voltage is ridiculous. No battery has near the voltage to melt that much metal (this metal, mind you, is interconnected throughout the frame so the voltage would have dispersed into the ground even if your theoretical arcing did happen).
Your list of government tied contractors also raises conflict of interest questions.
@Emvaz22 The only persons claiming that there were tons of molten steel are conspiracy theorist. These same people also have take a stock photo of 2 fire fighters that shows a column cut at about a 45 degree angle and claim that this is evidence of the thermite. Problem is that column was not cut until weeks after 911 by steelworkers and there are photos showing the workers performing this. If there was any creedence to what you claim Enginering would have been all over it,
@stellaelectric1 Oh but they are all over it, and they are called Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, and there are multiple thousands of them. And there are many eye witness reports by rescue workers of molten metal under the rubble for a month and more after the collapse, corroborated by many news reports and magazine articles during the time which reported that the cleanup was delayed because it was simply too hot.
@stellaelectric1 An article in The Newsletter of the Structural Engineers Association of Utah describing a speaking appearance by Leslie Robertson (structural engineer responsible for the design of the World Trade Center) contains this passage:
As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running.
@Emvaz22 As for your statement that has been attributed to Leslie Robertson. According to Robertson: "I've no recollection of having made any such statements...nor was I in a position to have the required knowledge." In his response he is saying not only dont i remember making that statement, if I did I would have been lying because I never saw that. on top of that- there were no fires burning 21 days later- bold face lie.
@Emvaz22 "pools of molten metal" is a foolish statement as is "billions of tons of material" or "tons of thermite residue" Robertson never said that there were pools, someone else said that they heard him say it - a 9/11 Liar/truther.
@stellaelectric1 The book American Ground, which contains detailed descriptions of conditions at Ground Zero, contains this passage:
... or, in the early days, the streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole.
A review of of the documentary Collateral Damage in the New York Post describes firemen at Ground Zero recalling "heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel."
There are 2 good videos on YouTube which outline exactly why the "pyroclastic demolition" conspiracy is a pile of rubbish, one is Noam Chomsky and the other is Bill Maher- It comes down to this- If the Government wanted to demolish the WTC 1, 2 & 7, they would not have complicated the issue by flying 2 jet airliners into them- they would have planted "evidence" and said that terrorists blew them up.
@stellaelectric1 so you're saying an architect isn't qualified to speak on a building collapse, but a talk-show host and a political author are? Propaganda! The only arguments i've ever heard for 9/11 are the strawmen you just posted. The government DID plant "evidence" (billions of tons of steel and concrete PULVERIZED to dust but a hijacker's passport survives?). But that's besides the point. you can ignore the conspiracy theories (which, by definition, al-quaida is a conspiracy theory)
@stellaelectric1 you can ignore the conspiracy theories without ignoring the science. /physicsandreason does actual experimentation. Noam Chomsky has always been on the fringe and he knew that if he gave creedence to the idea that he would be discredited. Bill Maher is an idiot who has never done any good work. A functioning moron with a talk-show. Bible bashing leftist piece of shit with an agenda. he was bought and sold long before you knew his name.
@zakquack So sparks and molten material from a several hundred KVA UPS systems belonging to the Fuji National Bank on one corner of the building lead you to believe that something no one has ever demonstrated cut beams of the building- explain this, how come it was seen on the outside structure in the first place, if you wanted to collapse WTC 1&2 you would have performed it on the core..
@stellaelectric1 wow dude you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about... watch?v=PwqLu8ZXIX0 <-- this man demonstrates cutting through building beams. Watch ^ that video and all of that guys videos... please stop being ignorant and biased. what kind of engineer are you again?
I am an Engineer, and I worked for a firm that designed the orginal WTC and the rebuild. Mr Gage is a dishonest man, there are no credible engineers that will agree with him. He comes from Berkley- and is a far leftist motivated not by truth but by his dislike of George Bush.
@stellaelectric1 Propaganda much? you followed the procedure perfectly... All you did with that comment was slander your opposition and speculate at their agendas... Next time, how about you present some evidence or an actual argument? what you did is the equivilent of a child saying "nu uh! you're stupid and wrong"
@zakquack Gage is an Architect, which means he does not hold the education or appropriate license to speak as an authority on the subject. There are no credible qualified persons that will agree with him, moreover, persons have refused to debate him not because he can;t be proven wrong, but because the argument he makes is absurd and any debate lends credibility to his argument in the public forum.
@stellaelectric1 an architect isn't qualified to speak on a building collapse? And he makes an absurd argument? He is qualified and frankly he needn't be to speak on the subject. The messenger can be ignored but not the message. How about /physicsandreason ? An engineer doing actual experiments to prove how blindly people like you follow the norm.. Bobblehead at Nat geo and mythbusters and never think critically for yourself.
@zakquack When you design a building that is built from structural steel you are required to submit drawings to Authority having Jurisdiction- the "Building department" The drawings and design of the building must be stamped by a qualified individual- That would be either a Mechanical Engineer or Civil Engineer with a Structural Engineering stamp. Architects are not even required as part of their training to take more than a basic calculus course-
@zakquack In order to build WTC 1 and 2, a firm that calls itself and Architectural Design firm will be hired for instance "Gensler" they will draw up some pretty pictures that fit within the broad framework of the customers request. Once the "look" had been determined all the Architect is responsible for is selecting the door knobs and drapes. And I doubt this guy has designed anything over 20 stories.
@stellaelectric1 you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about... i am not an architect, but i've played around with architectual software and spoken to many architects and even commissioned one. you have no idea what you're talking about. Architects are not interior designers and what door knobs and drapes used is absolutely not part of their job. they don't even deal with carpetting or flooring or doors or windows or plumming. strictly the core design.
@zakquack Well I have never since graduating with a BS in Mechanical Engineering been allowed to as part of my job "play around" with engineering software- when I work for a firm they have draftsmen and wet behind the ears interns and fresh grads do that- at over 200 bucks an hour they want you doing more important things. But I have worked for the primary MEP on WTC 1&2 and the primary MEP on all of the new WTC buildings- Google this nyc qualifications for structural engineering of buildings
@stellaelectric1 an architectural design firm... sounds like it could mean a lot of things. for instance, Gensler will pitch for bids with conceptual drawings... but they've also got blueprints to worry about, and blueprints aren't just pretty pictures. they are specifications of all the aspects of the building, from foundation to structural support... every minuet detail. the architect will collaborate with professionals of all sorts to iron out every detail of the core design.
@zakquack To design, inspect, or to be considered an expert "forensically" that is in court recognized legally in any field you need to be a Registered Professional Engineer, Architects are not qualified to design structural steel building period. The last job I inspected in New Jersey was a Tier 4 data Center- I didn't talk to Gensler at all- my firm designed and was responsible for 99% of the work without their involvement and directly with the customer. Gensler was responsible for the "look"
@stellaelectric1 Your ad hominem attacks are transparent and do nothing to discredit the soundness of the ever-mounting pile of evidence that all point to the official story being a lie. Please spare us your flood of irrelevant technobabble; it certainly doesn't take a scientist or engineer to see that there is more to the story than what has been offered in official reports. Save your useless comments for someone whose mind you can change; at over $200/hr, I expect a better argument from you.
@Emvaz22 I have said this more than once I think- If you wanted to take create an incident you would not A) fly two airliners into the WTC after B) installing charges to create a controlled demolition. It is an or scenario. same for A) Bullets from Oswalds Gun B) Guys on Grassy Knoll (I have been there makes no sense. If you want a conspiracy then come up with a simpler explanation. If I were killing my wife I would not A) poison her and B) hang her Just to make sure- "Adds Evidence"
@Emvaz22 The government headed by George Bush quickly concocted a plan including controlled demolition and coordinating 4 airliners movements? I guess the Engineers that don't agree with conspiracy theories must be the ones that instructed the demo crews on how to plant the charges? FYI the claim that the WTC 1&2 were the only steel structured buildings to fail under fire is false and the suggestion that they were not on fire is BS on top of that those other buildings had working sprinklers
@stellaelectric1 Your first comment makes no sense grammatically. Ill assume that since you claim to be an engineer that English is also probably not your first language...fair enough. Whats more, your assumption that conspiracy theorists unanimously blame George Bush and the government as a whole is first of all untrue, and secondly, presents an overly simplistic and unrealistic view of the the mechanisms at work. You have yet to even attempt to refute the solid evidence against you.
@Emvaz22 Oh now whilst I try to fit rebuttals to this fool Gage you are insulting my use of the English language. That is the usual ploy of someone who can't defend his argument, insult the other person from irrelevant angle. There was no "thermite" if you watch the video unedited in it entirety of the collapse you will note that the WTC 1 &2 fall accelerating characteristic of a buckling failure, the fact that Gage is an architect and performs his box demo is insulting.
@stellaelectric1 First of all, I wasn't insulting your grammar, I was merely implying that I couldn't understand what you were trying to get at during your first tirade, and so I had no other way to respond. And I am very familiar with the "ploy", or logical fallacy you speak of, as I first called you out on it in my first comment, remember? Ad hominem?
@stellaelectric1 Yeah, there was thermite. It's chemical signature is present in large quantities in the dust as well as preserved in every iron microsphere. There are even instances where these microspheres can be seen bonded to red chips which ignite at low temperature, burn at very high temperature, and display the typical thermitic mixture of elements.
@Emvaz22 If there were "risiduals" from "thermite" they would be present in small quantities compared to the large quantities that were present all over Manhattan and surrounding communities because the material present was iron oxide and aluminum which is going to be present after you demolish a building that is made of aluminum and steel however the Products of a thermite reaction are not Iron Oxide and aluminum but aluminum oxide and iron ie: Fe2O3 + 2Al → 2Fe + Al2O3
@stellaelectric1 Sorry to burst your bubble; besides the expected high levels of FE2O3 and 2AL, there are also unusually high levels of aluminum oxide, and iron, as well as other elements like sulphur that point to explosives being used. Of course, their presence alone proves nothing, but the proportion of the signature is telling, especially since it is consistent throughout all the microspheres.
@stellaelectric1 If the collapse was not caused by thermite (or thermate) then one would expect to see a random distribution of the elements involved (because in nature thing's don't randomly combine in the same proportions repeatedly). However, we see the exact same signature in every microsphere as well as the exact same chemical composition of the unignited thermate/thermite (red chips). And you think it's rust? Does rust ignite at 300 degrees F? Because these red chips do.
@Emvaz22 Red iron(III) oxide (Fe2O3, commonly known as "RUST") is the most common iron oxide used in thermite. Heaven forbid that there would be rust on a steel framed building that is 30 years old.
@stellaelectric1 The molten iron produced in the reaction can be seen pouring from the upper floors before the collapse. Here we have both the loaded gun, the smoking gun, and the forensics report that matches the figurative bullet to that gun.
@Emvaz22 2 According to Gage the core structure 50 feet inside the building was where the "steel termites" were used (play on words) so you would not have seen molten material on the outside of the building. He is using the appearance of the Fuji National Banks UPS systems batteries melting down what ever crowbarred the DC bus to say ah ooh see the molten steel. 750kva UPS with 10 minute run time would be able to provide for that 10 minutes probably 1000 amps of DC at around 540 volts.
@Emvaz22 This one spot where this happens in the videos corresponds to the 81st floor approximately, and has been documented by and Italian engineer who was perplexed by what it was because in early reports people heard UPS and thought United Parcel Service- but they don't have facilities there. Once you have a sustained fault across your DC Bus your batteries will eventually runaway melt down then you have the hydrogen that has to get out of the sealed VRLA batteries sooner or later.
@stellaelectric1 It is certainly possible for molten metal to run 50 ft from the inner core supports to the outside of the building, and who is to say that other types of demolition devices weren't used on the outer frame? Certainly not you or I. And your speculation that a battery is what caused all the metal to melt is ridiculous. There was molten metal under the rubble of the towers for around a month; no battery has that kind of energy. There is a large input of energy unaccounted for.
@Emvaz22 What would happen if your took a wrench and forced it across the battery terminals of your car how long would it take for the wrench to get hot?- if you did the same thing to a 500 to 600 volt string of UPS batteries that wrench would vaporize in you hand and anyone standing near you would get a fatal 3rd degree flash burn unless they were wearing at least a 40 cal/cm2 protective suit head to toe.
@Emvaz22 FYI the WTC was and is in the center of Wall Street, surrounded by buildings occupied by fiancial firms and full of computers and UPS systems, there are hundreds of Millions if not a tens of billions of watts of batteries in lower Manhattan, my office when i worked there was on Pine St. parallel to Wall, and got off the subway at the Wall Street Station which is closest to my buildings lobby. You are just another puppet repeating what the charging bull might pass if it came to life.
I love how Gage still has this video at the forefront of his website as if this was his only shining becon of hope. (sp) You got lucky, got a few loons to let you on their morning show, and now you make profit over peoples paranoid delusions. That's Queeftastic!
The last thing anyone wants to hear is the Government did this....Maybe deep down they know but feel powerless to do anything....So the lie comforts them.
"Normal office fires is what's supposed to have brought these buildings down...along with jet-plane impacts". ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW. Quit looking at every single detail with the goal of finding the government behind it. You guys think the moon landing was a hoax also? Osama's death faked? Fake birth certificate from Obama? DO SOMETHING MORE PROGRESSIVE PLEASE
Some people on here think I'm ignoring them because they won... that's just not the case. I am tired of the babble, and I have other things I enjoy doing. I was spending three quarters of my day doing this, then nothing else much got done.
Accusing me of being a Child Abuser is the lowest anyone could go, of course I'll report it, and few could blame me.
@FievelJ69 a box that is 1/4th the size of the other boxes, when dropped onto the 3/4's cannot CRUSH, or ACCELERATE through that bigger section of boxes, it's basic physics.
On 9/11, that 1/4 of WTC smashed through that 3/4 of WTC with ACCELERATION, and ended up somehow completely smashing everything into dust
His box example shows that what we were made to believe on 9/11, IS IMPOSSIBLE. You cant have the same object smash a bigger size of that same object, it defies physics
It does however prove, that this man is an idiot. 1,000s of tons of weight, pressing down on a single floor. I guess it's suppose to remain intact somehow? Even the builders prier to 9/11, said the building could only withstand so much damage to certain (Trusses) columns, before the entire building would fail.
He seems to fail to realize, the difference of the way the WTC was built.
The Empire State Building, would *NOT* have collapsed.
@FievelJ69 no steel high rise has ever collapsed due to fire, first of all.
Secondly 1000s of tons of weight were not being held up by 1 story. it was being held up by the whole structure itself. Your logic is heavily flawed, most likely on purpose :|
A smaller chunk of box cannot crush a bigger chunk of box, let alone accelerate through it, from gravity.
A smaller chunk of WTC cannot crush a bigger chunk of WTC, let alone accelerate through it, from gravity.
@FievelJ69 I dont understand why you decide to go on random tangents rather than address the simple fact that steel high rises have never, and will never, collapse due to fire.
once again, a smaller piece of WTC tower cannot pile drive through a bigger piece of WTC tower, with gravity, and accelerate. It DEFIES ISAAC NEWTON'S LAWS OF PHYSICS.
secondly, WTC7 FREEFELL for 8 stories. 8 stories of no resistance, no core columns, no support.
The only way that can be achieved is with demolition
@FievelJ69 I dont understand why you decide to go on random tangents rather than address the simple fact that steel high rises have never, and will never, collapse due to fire.
once again, a smaller piece of WTC tower cannot pile drive through a bigger piece of WTC tower, with gravity, and accelerate. It DEFIES ISAAC NEWTON'S LAWS OF PHYSICS.
secondly, WTC7 FREEFELL for 8 stories. 8 stories of no resistance, no core columns, no support.
The only way that can be achieved is with demolition
"You can debunk Newtonian Physics? Show me where Free Fall can be achieved in WTC7 without demolition. Please, show me. I'd love to know it wasn't a demolition, because the only way to remove 8 stories of core columns and support beams is with demolition."
So he had a building like 7. Which by the end of the day, was sitting on almost nothing, to prove this by?
Or he had WTC1 & 2. So as to prove whether or not they would Pancake Collapse?
9/11 was a controlled demolition based off basic physics. any of those websites, which include, scientists, firefighters, scholars, lawyers, architects, engineers, actors, artists, pilots etc, agree
I mean 0 of that, I haven't already saw debunked. Every single claim so far... everyone of them, I have saw debunked. And so far, I haven't saw a single claim, that would hold up in a court of law.
@FievelJ69 You can debunk Newtonian Physics? Show me where Free Fall can be achieved in WTC7 without demolition. Please, show me. I'd love to know it wasn't a demolition, because the only way to remove 8 stories of core columns and support beams is with demolition.
You cant just "hope" and "pray" that Isaac Newton is wrong, and then based off that opinion say you "debunked" it. Show me 1 way 8 stories of core columns and supporting steel can be removed without demolition to back up your claim.
@FievelJ69 I read a bit of your dribble and it is a little confussing... you say your truly a structual pro yet you believe the offical story is correct and you haven't saw a single claim, that would hold up in a court of law?... If so, you have absolutely no idea on structual engineering or had any demolition experience whatsoever.. And i do mean whatsoever.. you are clueless to say the least..
You do not have to be a structural engineer to figure out, that would be the only way those buildings would collapse. An 8-year-old could figure that out.
I've actually saw a 10-year-old debunk some of this stuff.
NIST used 1000s of pages to NOT explain how the "Magic Bullit" column 79 made the heat go all around the building and made it collapse straight down in 7,5 sec with a 2.25 secs of free fall. They "figured it out" by computer fantasies. And there's nothing scientific about the NIST Reports; they were ordered to come up with fire hypothesis and not to examine and explain what happened.
Amazing how many PAID dis-info agents are trolling this thread and trying desperately to convince uninformed (median IQ) people how the "official story" still holds water... unfortunately, you inevitably reaffirm the more intelligent, free-thinking people towards the truth with every impractical, clinging post you make. The intelligent, free thinking people are the ones holding more power in these circumstances... and your defense of the illogical exposes the falsity on increasing higher levels.
Jparsner0562 1 week ago
@beccabratlust i know it was 4months ago but can you provide me with a link. I cant find anything... and as far as i know Danny Jowenko was one of the first experts who said that an official story is a joke...
krzysg1982 3 weeks ago
the 559 representen' all day muthafuckas
KosherChang69 3 months ago
@beccabratlust well thats right, one person says one thing , another says another. if one man said"i witnessed a murder and i found a weapon" and another man said "no that's not true". in england these two people would be brought to court. is this so? If it was my mother that had been killed and i heard there was a potential weapon found,I would be demanding a reinvestigation! As are many of the 9/11 family members. why deny them that right?
rainbowsalads 5 months ago
@beccabratlust so you say: when the fires reached 358 degrees in the areas there were fires - for aprox (6 hours) the building then collapses down(pancake style) with plumes of dust. o.k
Maybe you should speak to Richard gage? and tell him it only takes 358 c for 2 -6 hrs. Do you think he and the thousands of other professionals know this?
rainbowsalads 5 months ago
@beccabratlust . i'm finding it hard to buy that wtc7 fell without human intervention and that this case should be closed.
"buildings are only rated for 2" hours? at what intensity ?
rainbowsalads 5 months ago
@beccabratlust i cant help you, i'm still researching and asking questions. i haven't decided on what to believe , but there is definitely something very wrong and there are murderers still free in society , walking around , no matter what theory you believe. unless you think osama was solely to blame , was killed like the media said and this 9/11 case is all wrapped up.
rainbowsalads 5 months ago
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"A Whacky Idea" "Can I put 'Nano-Thermite' in my tooth fillings?" These two anchors are playing Gage for the joke that he is and he's too lame to figure it out. Classic moment in the interview is when Gage states to the female "You're getting it." uh...yeah, she's figured Gage has the IQ of a donut.
tjsteele513 5 months ago
it's a bastard act, they killed the indians virtually, nuked hiroshima and nagashaky, trialled the remaining nazis and now this... enough. So these are god soldiers? Let god bless us all somehow!
dieguito3091 7 months ago
Two massive airliners (loaded with more than enough jet fuel to make it to california) crash into the twin towers (like a giant exploding missile) tearing away at the structure of the building (4 stories high) setting off a jet-fueled inferno reaching more than 2,000 degrees in temperature, melting the steel structure causing it to collapse. And the conspiracy nuts say...
"Oh boy!!! Why would you believe all of THAT brought down the towers?!"
Idiots.
ilisbaani 7 months ago
@ilisbaani i wonder, did you hear about WTC 7 ? Because it was not hit by an aeroplane ,no impact , no jet fuel , but it fell on its own foot print on the same day September 11th 2001 with molten iron and thermite to be found in the remains.
rainbowsalads 7 months ago
@rainbowsalads
No impact? What about the impact caused by the part of the tower that fell on it? If your going to put forward an argument you should do it honestly. There was impact even thought you will no doubt deem it insignificant.
SamCoreJ 7 months ago
@SamCoreJ no impact by an aeroplane, and my reply was to 'ilisbaani' as he was talking about the buildings collapsing due to jet impacts and calling people nuts for rightly questioning the events , with blatant evidence of controlled demolition. Building seven had very little damage and fell on its own footprint with thermite all over new york. Silverstein said he had the building pulled on 9/11. It takes weeks of planning to pull a building. it was all ready to go on the day! jesus.
rainbowsalads 7 months ago
@rainbowsalads
You think he would be stupid enough claim he organised a controlled demolition on building 7 on the day of 9/11? This is a great example of conspiracy theorists hearing something and drawing the wrong conclusion. When he 'pull it' he was talking about the operation. He said "we have had such terrible loss of life, the responsible thing to do is pull it". In other words, we've lost enough people, get your men out of there.
SamCoreJ 7 months ago
Building 7 had a massive chunk taken out of it buy collapsing debris from the tower and had substantial fires on the ground floor which had to hold the weight of 50 stories above it. Some pictures and video used for conspiracy peddling don't show this for obvious reasons. To say there was very little damage is just not an accurate evaluation.
SamCoreJ 7 months ago
@ilisbaani
While I agree with your point, I should just correct you because your going fuel one of the conspiracy theorists favourite counter arguments which is the steel wouldn't have been hot enough to melt. And it wouldn't. But it was hot enough to weaken the steel frame to the point it could no longer support the MASSES of weight it was holding and collapsed.
SamCoreJ 7 months ago
@SamCoreJ Good point. weaken not melt. that is true. But you cannot make a building collapse down as these buiding did by fire and impact alone, it takes precision timing of incendiary, weeks of planning and setting up. there was thermite blown across the city. Thermite used for demolition. molten iron at the base of the towers for weeks later. incredible temperatures not possible by jet fuel or the materials found in the buildings..
rainbowsalads 7 months ago
@SamCoreJ so it turns out allot of the steel did actually melt, pools of molten material at the base after the collapse. Which is impossible, unless something like thermite is used. which was found across the city in the dust and debris . hence all the millions of web pages and videos across the web trying to inspire an investigation.
rainbowsalads 7 months ago
@rainbowsalads
The web is also littered with people believing they have evidence of ghosts and alien sightings. Billions of people believe in a God of some sort, many conflicting with each other anyway. Humans are more than capable of extremely poor judgment in their masses. Its good to raise the question and all that but its also good to be able to remain objective and recognise when your wrong.
SamCoreJ 7 months ago
@SamCoreJ and what of the thermite across new york? the molten iron at the base? and the buildings collapsing down on their footprint? how do you put your mind at rest with these facts? please help explain this, i am not so far over the fence as you may think. i am still open minded to any evidence and theories you may have.
rainbowsalads 7 months ago
@rainbowsalads
If you go to the website 'debunking911' dot com, there is a tab called "Molten Steel Explained". You will find far better explanations than I can give you in this short comment. The whole site objectively and rationally analyses conspiracy claims. As anyone reads the information on that site they should start to realise how weak and poorly researched the conspiracy theories actually are.
SamCoreJ 7 months ago
@SamCoreJ thanks. should be interesting to read other theories.
rainbowsalads 7 months ago
@SamCoreJ Right, I read that website. Pathetic at most. Reminds me of the 9-11 commission. Building 7 collapsed. COLLAPSED. Do you need someone to tell you why? I know why, its legs were taken out from it with bombs! Dont be a douch bag.
Omegatide 6 months ago
Liars and paid posters troll the Internet all times of the day. Some of you are told to target particular posters. I suppose witch Ann told you to target me tonight. No problem. I have heard and seen everything you witches post. It is always the same, Standards are "you need medication." Twoofers, tinfoil hats.
I hope you are watching ABC right nows. They are exposing witchcraft and satanism. Las Vegas is place many satanic rituals are performed. Witches inhabit every town & city.
074August 7 months ago
Look I know that Ann Cappelletti runs the groups of paid witch & punk posters. Ann has even sent me a message on a forum. I used to call her fat Ann. She said in the post,"This is "FAT ANN."
I know, witch boy, that it is your job to harass and post propaganda against the truth of 911. Many people already the you shills are paid. You are paid by U.S. tax payers. 1st from money stolen from the Pentagon, $2.3 trillion, now Congress allocated money for paid perp poster w Operation Earnest Voice.
074August 7 months ago
The PLANE graphic generated on 911 toward WTC2 was a PVI virtual animation. Princeton Video Image LVIS graphic WAS generated at CBS. CBS bought a PVI computer in 2000 for the Early Show.
nytimes{dot}com/2000/01/13/business/cbs-is-divided-over-the-use-of-false-images-in-broadcasts{dot}html?src=pm
money.cnn{dot}com/magazines/fsb/fsb_archive/2000/07/01/283715/index{dot}htm
wikipedia{dot}org/wiki/PVI_Virtual_Media_Services
PVI sold out to ESPN2 & Sportvision in December 2010.
074August 7 months ago
Barbara Bush Aleister Crowley
portland.indymedia(dot)org/en/2006/04/337857.shtml
cannonfire.blogspot(dot)com/2006/04/george-w-bush-barbara-bush-and.html
rense(dot)com/general77/acrow.htm
Ann, Joyce, John & Mike Cappelletti & the other 10 of the master 11 have had their witch powers taken away or weakened in 2007. They are powerless, it is time to expose them for what they are Luciferians. Obama is a reptilian. He even told The View about his reptilian side of his brain. Open your eyes.
074August 7 months ago
PLEASE the perps stacked witnesses and stories for 4 years before 911. The masonic plan was 100 years old. See, Albert Pike writings.
Mazzini was a 33 degree mason who gave the mafia its name: that "Mazzini autorizza furti, incendi e attentati," meaning, 'Mazzini authorizes theft, arson, and kidnapping.' This phrase was shortened to the acronym, M.A.F.I.A.
You posters are part of the SOCK PUPPET program, Operation Earnest Voice-mercenaries run by Ann Cappelletti who knows all witches.
074August 7 months ago
@074August Ok you are a nut ball, goodbye.
theBartone9119 7 months ago
Why no reports of teams of men coming in for over 6 months carrying large amounts of cargo? Why did NONE of the the thousands of workers ask questions about these men, if they were in fact there? How did the teams knock down walls and apply explosives in the lobby, with average people walking in and out of the lobby all day. People rigging a building with a explosives isn't exactly something you can miss lol A job that big would me unheard of in the industry, and would require an empty building
theBartone9119 7 months ago
Time for you all to learn that Barbara Bush & Ann Cappelletti are illegitimate witch daughters of Aleister Crowley. Crowley disciples were sent to find 20 yr old Sicilian girls for sex tantra w Crowley at Abbey of Thelema to procreate the ANTICHRIST. Kicked out of Italy by Mussolini, Crowley went to Paris to stay w Frank Harris where Pauline Pierce worked for Crowley as a sex assistant, Pauline returned to U.S. in 10/24 pregnant gave birth to Barb 6/1925. Open your eyes to govt corruption.
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theBartone9119 7 months ago
Time to force Congress to investigate 911. $2.3 trillion was stolen by Rumsfeld et al from the Pentagon budget to pay for the 911 mega ritual. Insurance plots were set in place for real estate fraud-set up fake company leases. The towers were virtually empty, GUTTED for PLANNED 911 implosions.
911 1941 ground breaking for Pentagon, 911 1990 1st Bush NWO speech, 911 1997 Securacom goes public, becames Stratesec--Marvin Bush comp. Bush got Cappelletti cousins clearance for WTC. INVESTIGATE.
074August 7 months ago
@074August No, the 2.3 trillion was not "mysteriously" misplaced or stolen, anyone who knows economics can tell you exactly why that money is lost, you are just spewing your average conspiracy babble. Nothing new.
theBartone9119 7 months ago
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074August 7 months ago
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The biggest demolition rigging on a building was a on a building smaller than Building 7, it still took a whole 6 months to prepare. The whole building was stripped and each main support point had explosives attached to it .
There is no way the thousands of workers inside the WTC buildings, wouldn't notice demolition teams walking in with tons of explosives/ therm*te, knocking down walls, and applying tons of explosives to bare beams for over 6 months. Emplyees couldn't even work lol
theBartone9119 7 months ago
Who doesn't know Barbara Bush & Ann Cappelletti are illegitimate witch daughters of Aleister Crowley, chosen by the occultists in the U.S. govt to head up the 911 mega ritual. Ann & Barb got together in 1970s to get the witch Bushes into WH w the craft. Ann grew up in the STREGA witch community of South Philadelphia. Ann's reptilian witch coven is in Upper Darby Pa region, 90 miles from WTC, conveniently located to Philadelphia Naval Business Center where military grade explosives were acquired.
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theBartone9119 7 months ago
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11 master occultists, witches masons were ea in his/her assigned spots on 911: Bush, Cheney, Tenet, Bush's witch aunt Ann Cappelletti, Bill Gates, Giuliani, Condi Rice, Schwarzenegger, Silverstein, Soros & Saddam Hussein, not dead 33 degr mason, needed to pull off the 911 hoax. Bush witch cousins John & Mike Cappelletti's demolition company gutted & planted explosives in WTC for the 911 mega ritual to usher in the antichrist & for massive FRAUD. 1000s are involved & still paid to post propaganda
074August 7 months ago
Lower Manhattan Cultural Council world views art students lived & worked on floors 91, 92 in WTC1, 2. Gelitin's book & Site Matters chronicle art students in WTC 1 & 2 living & working there 24/7 from 1997 to 2001. Gelitin said floors above where they were were EMPTY. Why are there only 405 reported deaths on the Social Security death list for NY STATE DEATH LIST FOR September 2001. WHY because they were FRAUD.
Bush CAPPELLETTI, cousins' demolition company gutted & planted explosives. in WTC.
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theBartone9119 7 months ago
Oh ya I forgot, the government doesn't care because there is no inside job lol
theBartone9119 7 months ago
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Richard Gage should know that to withhold information of a crime is illegal. I highly recommend he submits his evidence of this so-called "inside job" ASAP or risk being prosecuted.
theBartone9119 7 months ago
Perpetrators were enriched from $2 million each family got. Go to letsrollforums and see what research has been done on 911 fraud. There were no people in the Towers above 90. Some people died by they were not people who worked in the towers. Dun & Bradstreet can only confirm 30% of the companies who were supposed to be working in the Towers. I suggest you stop lying. 911 was a day of INSURANCE FRAUD. Insider trading, put options, death hoax fraud, vicsims, real estate and art insurance fraud.
074August 7 months ago
@074August There was no insurance fraud, the reason people put money on all those things before 911 was because the plane companies changed protocol. Put options and insider trading. This is one of the reason the terrorists attacks happened in the time frame they did. You seem to forget Osama's lackys were planning this years. 2 million dollars for each family isn't anything. People say Silverstein gained, but he is out a billion and a half. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.
theBartone9119 7 months ago
AE911 only has around 88 qualified relevant experts that I could identify (active High-rise architects, Civil, Structural and Fire Protection Engineers). The Civil, Structural and Fire Protection engineers add up to about 85 engineers. Stephen Barasch, Les Young and Robert McCoy are the only high-rise architects in AE911 that I could identify. In reality, Structural Engineers are the most qualified over all. I have a list of hundreds of Civil and Structural Engineers who support global collapse.
theBartone9119 7 months ago
Who of you has not seen the HOLLOW TOWERS videos? Gelitin erected a balcony outside of floor 91 in spring 2000, the pass says May 2000 some say March. The point is that Gelitin published a book re their escapade in 2000 & Site Matters, Lower Manhattan Cultural Council art students book, is for sale on Amazon.com. Business were not above 91. Look at empty floors. There were only dummy companies. stevenwarran found dun & bradstreet said businesses did not exist in WTC1 & 2, Look it up.
074August 7 months ago
it was a single demo device for each building. All major buildings require a demo plan BEFORE CONSTRUCTION CAN START. Conventional demo couldn't do the job, even Sears tower has the same demo plan.
PS humans can't hear an underground nuclear detonation, the freq is too low.
(look @ the dust, it's a rearranged composition of granite)
cheerdiver 7 months ago
@cheerdiver Look at the video of the twin towers. There are multiply explosions going off. Look at the video.
The problem for AE911truth is that Lower Manhattan Cultural Council World Views art students lived on floor 91 92 from 1997 to 2001 in the towers. That means there were no businesses above 90. Ace Elevator had access to the buildings Bush cousins John & Mike Cappellettis' demolition company had access through Stratesec, Marvin Bush, 911 was INSURANCE FRAUD TO THE MAX.
074August 7 months ago
@074August Too bad nobody gained from this "Insurance fruad" lol Silverstein was awarded 2.3 billion for each act of terrorism (4.6 billion), but since he is the lease holder, he had to rebuild the Towers (6.3 billion), and has already started doing so. So if the Towers were really "white elephants" as some people say, then it seems he's out over a billion and a half dollars. He meant "pull" the contingent of firefighters by the way, "pull" means to take down building remains with cables anyway.
theBartone9119 7 months ago
maybe the 1 percent tend to not go with what the mass ov people got told
Anthony5268 7 months ago
Nice Ad Hominem argument. Retard, really? What are you, 12? Go play your Xbox son and hopefully you will understand one day what a False Flag is, and how other countries have used this tactic many times. History. Read it.
veritablewhoswho 8 months ago
The WTC Complex was brought down by controlled demolition, that’s a scientific fact
If you want all the facts, and a comprehensive analysis of the evidence, go to A&E911Truth
If you want fiction, read the official conspiracy theory, which is nothing more than an obscene fairytale
Most people understand that you can’t knock down 3 massive skyscrapers with 2 airplanes
Welcome Senator Mike Gravel to the long list of concerned citizens now onboard with the truth
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KevinMerck 8 months ago 2
@KevinMerck If you want fiction then watch Loose Change and listen to Richard Gage. You fucking deluded moron.
12weasel100 8 months ago
Richard Gage is a fucking idiot. The only people dumber than Gage are the fucking idiots that follow and believe all his bullshit.
Truthers are fucking idiots. Retarded monkeys are smarter than Truthers.
12weasel100 8 months ago
@12weasel100 lol
AmpSanders 8 months ago
@12weasel100 Nice! Another retard who blocks out scientific facts due to emotional immaturity.
XxRushx 8 months ago
@XxRushx Truthers have no scientific facts they just have a bunch of made up bullshit lies and opinions that they used to form a little fantasy world. Truthers are fucking deluded little idiots that prefer to live with their head up their assholes in a world of fantasy then face reality. Truthers are fucking idiots.
12weasel100 8 months ago
@12weasel100 I could almost copy and past this to you. We feel the exact same way about the people who accept the "official story"
XxRushx 8 months ago
@XxRushx that is because you fucking idiots do not have the education need to understand the "official story". You prefer to live with your heads up your assholes then accept reality. You Truther assholes are a sad pathetic group of fucking idiots.
12weasel100 7 months ago
@12weasel100 I was unaware 1,507 architects were uneducated.
XxRushx 7 months ago
@XxRushx computer engineers, mechanical engineers, electrical engineers, marine engineers etc and architects are not structural engineers nor are they controlled demo experts.Of the 1500 engineers only a few hundred are structural engineers.And a few hundred out of the few million engineers worldwide is far from majority (less than one percent of one percent). Just because less than one percent of the people think it was CD it does not override or disprove the vast majority. AEtruth is bullshit
12weasel100 7 months ago
this is why the pools were found only deep in the rubble and the proof of this continued combustion is the smoke that was continually produced weeks after the collapse, with thermite on the other hand the pools would have been found immadiately and not only in the depths of the rubble and would have cooled down much faster than what happened.
derp3n3trat0r 8 months ago
u guys are making a very big deal of the molten iron indeed thing is that it is not entirely inexplicable and actually the original plane crash 'theory' explains it better than thermite.
what happens is the heat weakens not melts the structure in the attack causing a collapse however there is still lots of uncombust material trapped under the rubble which burns in the intense heat creating a pressure pot effect which then melted the iron.
derp3n3trat0r 8 months ago
@derp3n3trat0r, very scientific explanation, you have convinced me. I know the truth is hard to swallow ideologically, and the idea that your government was behind the collapse of the three towers must be a scary one indeed. But we have to really contemplate the implications of the evidence presented by A&E for 9/11. We must take it deadly serious, because so many people have died, and the wars were waged based on tenuous evidence that has not been independently assessed by an outside observer.
jemmre 7 months ago
The government of the United States of America did not bring down the twin towers, religious fanatics did. 911 happened just like the media, the government and your psychiatrist said. This so called engineer does not even know how the building was constructed it was not a standard steel building, but had a very unique construction.
janetmerner 8 months ago
@janetmerner stfu brainwashed
hipnoticed 8 months ago
Richard Gage will be giving a presentation at Cambridge University UK,on Sat 18th June..full details on the featured video on my channel.
cappucinokid100 8 months ago
As for the cut beam, you may be right. I don't claim omniscience and will always freely admit if I'm not sure of something. Regardless, this piece of evidence is extremely minor to the argument at hand, and does nothing the disprove the mountain of evidence piling up against you, not to mention plain common-sense physics. I gladly throw it away and will never mention it again, as it has no bearing on anything. Any more bold-faced lies you'd care to espouse? I'm enjoying refining my argument
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@Emvaz22 You are not refining an argument, you are piling up bull and it just stinks more. Every source you cite gives these examples of "evidence" that contradicts the assumption. ie that there would be pools of molten material days later from a steel cutting operation. In order to have that you would have needed a foundry built in the WTC and it would have needed to be fired for hours. An aluminum foundry takes over a day to melt the material in its furnace I know I worked in one.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
A publication by the National Environmental Health Association quotes Ron Burger, a public health advisor at the National Center for Environmental Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, who arrived at Ground Zero on the evening of September 12th. Burger stated:
Feeling the heat, seeing the molten steel, the layers upon layers of ash, like lava, it reminded me of Mt. St. Helen’s and the thousands who fled that disaster.
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@Emvaz22 You can Google the internet and send these statements to PH'd of another sort. I wont because I sat as a student in classrooms and although a lazy student my professors regarded my thinking as exceptional. Any PH'd or Scd (MIT engineering Doctorate of Science) will tell you that "molten steel" a day later at WTC is an impossibility. Given the amount of material that would be required to get hot enough, the fuel required and the amount of heat sink material surrounding.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@Emvaz22 First off you argue that you are going to cut beams with a special form of thermite. if you did that the resultant molten material would be solid before the material reached the ground after falling 800+feet. for you thermite to work effectively at all it will heat steel no more than an oxy-acetyline system, which really melts and burns away material- the oxidization reaction does no pool up gallons of molten material, most material solidifies before hitting the ground.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
A report in the Johns Hopkins Public Health Magazine about recovery work in late October quotes Alison Geyh, Ph.D., as stating:
Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel.
A Messenger-Inquirer report recounts the experiences of Bronx firefighter "Toolie" O'Toole, who stated that some of the beams lifted from deep within the catacombs of Ground Zero by cranes were "dripping from the molten steel."
Emvaz22 8 months ago
9/11 was not done by Muslims it was by the US government, I am not bothered weather we here are Muslims Christians or Jews but, they killed 3,000 to go to war they did not care about their religion or anything they just killed them. then they went to war and killed and raped many innocent civilians, and yet people support the government, infact the government does not give a shit about you, they will do anything to kill humans....and they will continue until killed....!
BattleGround16 8 months ago
@BattleGround16 As a Son of the American Revolution, descendant of countless American fighting Men and Women, a son, nephew and cousin of over 20 WWII, Korea, Vietnam veterans, a veteran myself and a person that lives by a code answering only to Almighty God, take care not to make such statements in public, if someone like me hears that you will be getting a dose of calcium you don;t want. You have insulted my brothers in the Navy and Marine Corp- I don't tolerate that for a millisecond.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1
DO me a favour get a life and look up the truth American government is evil!
BattleGround16 8 months ago
@BattleGround16 Ya the government is evil so what full of cowards and deviates headed by the biggest wimp on the planet pretty much. Fact is it is better than most of the world and the only reason why it is so evil is democracy and the right to vote is just given out to everyone and exercised by less than 30 percent. I am the percent the government wants to lock away because I have no fear and I have a brain, All you do is read a pile of BS and swallow it whole- like a whore for a pimp.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1
You proved my point that your a bitch very well no fuck off you old fucking American cunt
BattleGround16 8 months ago
@BattleGround16 This view is shallow and uneducated. "The government" is a hugely complex web of elected officials, but mostly unelected officials who lobby for corporate or investor interests, and to claim in a blanket statement that it is evil is narrow-minded. It would be more accurate to say that there is an evil element within the government. Even then, I don't believe in "evil" as an absolute. No man acts without justification in his own mind, it creates cognitive dissonance.
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@BattleGround16 Whenever I hear a person call somebody or some action evil, I know the more likely scenario is that that person doesn't understand the full set of facts.
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@BattleGround16 Here's the point: One does not have to believe in an "evil" group of men who wants nothing but to suck the life from humanity to believe that 9/11 was orchestrated. If one takes into account the reality of our situation as humans on this planet, along with the political and economic realities of the day, it really is no stretch of the imagination to be able to justify 9/11 in ones own mind. It it evil, or is it just the harsh reality?
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 I think Ill take the word of the rescue workers who were at the scene of the crime ACTUALLY helping rather than some loon who would overlook the bodies at a massacre in favor of scrutinizing the trim on the carpet. You want to pull the "my ancestors fought for this country" card? As irrelevant as it is to the argument, I'll play. My ancestor, Stephen Hopkins, came over on the Mayflower and signed the fist legal document of the colonies, the Mayflower Compact.
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 I have more ancestors that have been in more wars than I could count. My grandfather fought in Vietnam, Korea, WWII, and then served 3 tours of duty at the Pentagon under the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and retired a Full-Bird Colonel.
You realize that in the same thread you have myopically defended your 9/11 position while at the same time claiming democracy is evil because too many people vote and the government wants you locked up...and you question my sanity, or patriotism?
Emvaz22 8 months ago
The reason why Gage pisses me off is that he knows he is repeating garbage. I would not hire him because either he is lying or he is too stupid to know better.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 Tell your boss at whatever defense contractor or pentagon-tied construction firm you work at that your $200/hr could be used more effectively somewhere else. Despite your best efforts ,we don't buy your pseudoscience here; go get reassigned to some other blog .
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@Emvaz22 I am independently employed, the only government contract I worked on was the Big Dig for Bechtel, I have also worked for American Power Conversion, General Electric, also 2 of the most renowned engineering firms in NYC, and the worlds most expensive top of the line manufacturer of generator paralleling equipment as a lead engineer and project engineer. I know more about electricity that 99.9% of the population. I KNOW JACK- YOU DONT KNOW JACK Sh*t. Maybe you can email me at recess.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 I'm not saying that high voltage can't melt steel, I'm just saying that to attribute the multiple tons of molten iron beneath all three towers to battery voltage is ridiculous. No battery has near the voltage to melt that much metal (this metal, mind you, is interconnected throughout the frame so the voltage would have dispersed into the ground even if your theoretical arcing did happen).
Your list of government tied contractors also raises conflict of interest questions.
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@Emvaz22 The only persons claiming that there were tons of molten steel are conspiracy theorist. These same people also have take a stock photo of 2 fire fighters that shows a column cut at about a 45 degree angle and claim that this is evidence of the thermite. Problem is that column was not cut until weeks after 911 by steelworkers and there are photos showing the workers performing this. If there was any creedence to what you claim Enginering would have been all over it,
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 Oh but they are all over it, and they are called Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, and there are multiple thousands of them. And there are many eye witness reports by rescue workers of molten metal under the rubble for a month and more after the collapse, corroborated by many news reports and magazine articles during the time which reported that the cleanup was delayed because it was simply too hot.
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 An article in The Newsletter of the Structural Engineers Association of Utah describing a speaking appearance by Leslie Robertson (structural engineer responsible for the design of the World Trade Center) contains this passage:
As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running.
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@Emvaz22 As for your statement that has been attributed to Leslie Robertson. According to Robertson: "I've no recollection of having made any such statements...nor was I in a position to have the required knowledge." In his response he is saying not only dont i remember making that statement, if I did I would have been lying because I never saw that. on top of that- there were no fires burning 21 days later- bold face lie.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 As for Leslie Robertson, I would say blackmail or bribery would be enough to cause such a drastic redaction.
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@Emvaz22 "pools of molten metal" is a foolish statement as is "billions of tons of material" or "tons of thermite residue" Robertson never said that there were pools, someone else said that they heard him say it - a 9/11 Liar/truther.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 The book American Ground, which contains detailed descriptions of conditions at Ground Zero, contains this passage:
... or, in the early days, the streams of molten metal that leaked from the hot cores and flowed down broken walls inside the foundation hole.
A review of of the documentary Collateral Damage in the New York Post describes firemen at Ground Zero recalling "heat so intense they encountered rivers of molten steel."
Emvaz22 8 months ago
2819 - Dead
289 - “Intact” bodies
19,858 - Body parts
1717 - Families got no remains
“Gravity collapses” do not blast over 1700 PEOPLE into tiny fragments.
“Gravity collapses” do not blast 90,000 TONS of concrete into fine powder.
“Gravity collapses” do not happen at near FREE-FALL speed.
A “gravity collapse” does not exhibit all the characteristics of a *controlled demolition* and none of the characteristics of a “gravity collapse.”
KevinMerck 8 months ago
There are 2 good videos on YouTube which outline exactly why the "pyroclastic demolition" conspiracy is a pile of rubbish, one is Noam Chomsky and the other is Bill Maher- It comes down to this- If the Government wanted to demolish the WTC 1, 2 & 7, they would not have complicated the issue by flying 2 jet airliners into them- they would have planted "evidence" and said that terrorists blew them up.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 so you're saying an architect isn't qualified to speak on a building collapse, but a talk-show host and a political author are? Propaganda! The only arguments i've ever heard for 9/11 are the strawmen you just posted. The government DID plant "evidence" (billions of tons of steel and concrete PULVERIZED to dust but a hijacker's passport survives?). But that's besides the point. you can ignore the conspiracy theories (which, by definition, al-quaida is a conspiracy theory)
zakquack 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 you can ignore the conspiracy theories without ignoring the science. /physicsandreason does actual experimentation. Noam Chomsky has always been on the fringe and he knew that if he gave creedence to the idea that he would be discredited. Bill Maher is an idiot who has never done any good work. A functioning moron with a talk-show. Bible bashing leftist piece of shit with an agenda. he was bought and sold long before you knew his name.
zakquack 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 Next you'll tell us that Dr. Stephen E Jones is not qualified to identify nano-thermate and comment on the collapses.
zakquack 8 months ago
@zakquack So sparks and molten material from a several hundred KVA UPS systems belonging to the Fuji National Bank on one corner of the building lead you to believe that something no one has ever demonstrated cut beams of the building- explain this, how come it was seen on the outside structure in the first place, if you wanted to collapse WTC 1&2 you would have performed it on the core..
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 wow dude you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about... watch?v=PwqLu8ZXIX0 <-- this man demonstrates cutting through building beams. Watch ^ that video and all of that guys videos... please stop being ignorant and biased. what kind of engineer are you again?
zakquack 8 months ago
Stop living in denial
Several tons of molten iron - Rapid oxidation and intergranular melting
Microspheres of molten iron - 1700 victims blown into tiny fragments
Total building destruction - Complete dismemberment of steel frame
Temperatures well above what is possible under alleged conditions
Expanding pyroclastic dust clouds - Positive ID of Nano Thermite
Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
Destruction through path of greatest resistance at near free-fall
KevinMerck 9 months ago
I am an Engineer, and I worked for a firm that designed the orginal WTC and the rebuild. Mr Gage is a dishonest man, there are no credible engineers that will agree with him. He comes from Berkley- and is a far leftist motivated not by truth but by his dislike of George Bush.
stellaelectric1 9 months ago
@stellaelectric1 Propaganda much? you followed the procedure perfectly... All you did with that comment was slander your opposition and speculate at their agendas... Next time, how about you present some evidence or an actual argument? what you did is the equivilent of a child saying "nu uh! you're stupid and wrong"
zakquack 8 months ago
@zakquack Gage is an Architect, which means he does not hold the education or appropriate license to speak as an authority on the subject. There are no credible qualified persons that will agree with him, moreover, persons have refused to debate him not because he can;t be proven wrong, but because the argument he makes is absurd and any debate lends credibility to his argument in the public forum.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 an architect isn't qualified to speak on a building collapse? And he makes an absurd argument? He is qualified and frankly he needn't be to speak on the subject. The messenger can be ignored but not the message. How about /physicsandreason ? An engineer doing actual experiments to prove how blindly people like you follow the norm.. Bobblehead at Nat geo and mythbusters and never think critically for yourself.
zakquack 8 months ago
@zakquack When you design a building that is built from structural steel you are required to submit drawings to Authority having Jurisdiction- the "Building department" The drawings and design of the building must be stamped by a qualified individual- That would be either a Mechanical Engineer or Civil Engineer with a Structural Engineering stamp. Architects are not even required as part of their training to take more than a basic calculus course-
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@zakquack In order to build WTC 1 and 2, a firm that calls itself and Architectural Design firm will be hired for instance "Gensler" they will draw up some pretty pictures that fit within the broad framework of the customers request. Once the "look" had been determined all the Architect is responsible for is selecting the door knobs and drapes. And I doubt this guy has designed anything over 20 stories.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about... i am not an architect, but i've played around with architectual software and spoken to many architects and even commissioned one. you have no idea what you're talking about. Architects are not interior designers and what door knobs and drapes used is absolutely not part of their job. they don't even deal with carpetting or flooring or doors or windows or plumming. strictly the core design.
zakquack 8 months ago
@zakquack Well I have never since graduating with a BS in Mechanical Engineering been allowed to as part of my job "play around" with engineering software- when I work for a firm they have draftsmen and wet behind the ears interns and fresh grads do that- at over 200 bucks an hour they want you doing more important things. But I have worked for the primary MEP on WTC 1&2 and the primary MEP on all of the new WTC buildings- Google this nyc qualifications for structural engineering of buildings
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
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@stellaelectric1 i'll google anything you want if you watch the video i linked.
zakquack 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 an architectural design firm... sounds like it could mean a lot of things. for instance, Gensler will pitch for bids with conceptual drawings... but they've also got blueprints to worry about, and blueprints aren't just pretty pictures. they are specifications of all the aspects of the building, from foundation to structural support... every minuet detail. the architect will collaborate with professionals of all sorts to iron out every detail of the core design.
zakquack 8 months ago
@zakquack To design, inspect, or to be considered an expert "forensically" that is in court recognized legally in any field you need to be a Registered Professional Engineer, Architects are not qualified to design structural steel building period. The last job I inspected in New Jersey was a Tier 4 data Center- I didn't talk to Gensler at all- my firm designed and was responsible for 99% of the work without their involvement and directly with the customer. Gensler was responsible for the "look"
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 Your ad hominem attacks are transparent and do nothing to discredit the soundness of the ever-mounting pile of evidence that all point to the official story being a lie. Please spare us your flood of irrelevant technobabble; it certainly doesn't take a scientist or engineer to see that there is more to the story than what has been offered in official reports. Save your useless comments for someone whose mind you can change; at over $200/hr, I expect a better argument from you.
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@Emvaz22 I have said this more than once I think- If you wanted to take create an incident you would not A) fly two airliners into the WTC after B) installing charges to create a controlled demolition. It is an or scenario. same for A) Bullets from Oswalds Gun B) Guys on Grassy Knoll (I have been there makes no sense. If you want a conspiracy then come up with a simpler explanation. If I were killing my wife I would not A) poison her and B) hang her Just to make sure- "Adds Evidence"
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@Emvaz22 The government headed by George Bush quickly concocted a plan including controlled demolition and coordinating 4 airliners movements? I guess the Engineers that don't agree with conspiracy theories must be the ones that instructed the demo crews on how to plant the charges? FYI the claim that the WTC 1&2 were the only steel structured buildings to fail under fire is false and the suggestion that they were not on fire is BS on top of that those other buildings had working sprinklers
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 Your first comment makes no sense grammatically. Ill assume that since you claim to be an engineer that English is also probably not your first language...fair enough. Whats more, your assumption that conspiracy theorists unanimously blame George Bush and the government as a whole is first of all untrue, and secondly, presents an overly simplistic and unrealistic view of the the mechanisms at work. You have yet to even attempt to refute the solid evidence against you.
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@Emvaz22 Oh now whilst I try to fit rebuttals to this fool Gage you are insulting my use of the English language. That is the usual ploy of someone who can't defend his argument, insult the other person from irrelevant angle. There was no "thermite" if you watch the video unedited in it entirety of the collapse you will note that the WTC 1 &2 fall accelerating characteristic of a buckling failure, the fact that Gage is an architect and performs his box demo is insulting.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 First of all, I wasn't insulting your grammar, I was merely implying that I couldn't understand what you were trying to get at during your first tirade, and so I had no other way to respond. And I am very familiar with the "ploy", or logical fallacy you speak of, as I first called you out on it in my first comment, remember? Ad hominem?
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 Yeah, there was thermite. It's chemical signature is present in large quantities in the dust as well as preserved in every iron microsphere. There are even instances where these microspheres can be seen bonded to red chips which ignite at low temperature, burn at very high temperature, and display the typical thermitic mixture of elements.
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@Emvaz22 If there were "risiduals" from "thermite" they would be present in small quantities compared to the large quantities that were present all over Manhattan and surrounding communities because the material present was iron oxide and aluminum which is going to be present after you demolish a building that is made of aluminum and steel however the Products of a thermite reaction are not Iron Oxide and aluminum but aluminum oxide and iron ie: Fe2O3 + 2Al → 2Fe + Al2O3
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 Sorry to burst your bubble; besides the expected high levels of FE2O3 and 2AL, there are also unusually high levels of aluminum oxide, and iron, as well as other elements like sulphur that point to explosives being used. Of course, their presence alone proves nothing, but the proportion of the signature is telling, especially since it is consistent throughout all the microspheres.
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 If the collapse was not caused by thermite (or thermate) then one would expect to see a random distribution of the elements involved (because in nature thing's don't randomly combine in the same proportions repeatedly). However, we see the exact same signature in every microsphere as well as the exact same chemical composition of the unignited thermate/thermite (red chips). And you think it's rust? Does rust ignite at 300 degrees F? Because these red chips do.
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@Emvaz22 Red iron(III) oxide (Fe2O3, commonly known as "RUST") is the most common iron oxide used in thermite. Heaven forbid that there would be rust on a steel framed building that is 30 years old.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 The molten iron produced in the reaction can be seen pouring from the upper floors before the collapse. Here we have both the loaded gun, the smoking gun, and the forensics report that matches the figurative bullet to that gun.
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@Emvaz22 2 According to Gage the core structure 50 feet inside the building was where the "steel termites" were used (play on words) so you would not have seen molten material on the outside of the building. He is using the appearance of the Fuji National Banks UPS systems batteries melting down what ever crowbarred the DC bus to say ah ooh see the molten steel. 750kva UPS with 10 minute run time would be able to provide for that 10 minutes probably 1000 amps of DC at around 540 volts.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@Emvaz22 This one spot where this happens in the videos corresponds to the 81st floor approximately, and has been documented by and Italian engineer who was perplexed by what it was because in early reports people heard UPS and thought United Parcel Service- but they don't have facilities there. Once you have a sustained fault across your DC Bus your batteries will eventually runaway melt down then you have the hydrogen that has to get out of the sealed VRLA batteries sooner or later.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@stellaelectric1 It is certainly possible for molten metal to run 50 ft from the inner core supports to the outside of the building, and who is to say that other types of demolition devices weren't used on the outer frame? Certainly not you or I. And your speculation that a battery is what caused all the metal to melt is ridiculous. There was molten metal under the rubble of the towers for around a month; no battery has that kind of energy. There is a large input of energy unaccounted for.
Emvaz22 8 months ago
@Emvaz22 What would happen if your took a wrench and forced it across the battery terminals of your car how long would it take for the wrench to get hot?- if you did the same thing to a 500 to 600 volt string of UPS batteries that wrench would vaporize in you hand and anyone standing near you would get a fatal 3rd degree flash burn unless they were wearing at least a 40 cal/cm2 protective suit head to toe.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
@Emvaz22 FYI the WTC was and is in the center of Wall Street, surrounded by buildings occupied by fiancial firms and full of computers and UPS systems, there are hundreds of Millions if not a tens of billions of watts of batteries in lower Manhattan, my office when i worked there was on Pine St. parallel to Wall, and got off the subway at the Wall Street Station which is closest to my buildings lobby. You are just another puppet repeating what the charging bull might pass if it came to life.
stellaelectric1 8 months ago
I love how Gage still has this video at the forefront of his website as if this was his only shining becon of hope. (sp) You got lucky, got a few loons to let you on their morning show, and now you make profit over peoples paranoid delusions. That's Queeftastic!
slauzon11 9 months ago
The last thing anyone wants to hear is the Government did this....Maybe deep down they know but feel powerless to do anything....So the lie comforts them.
Operationjugular 9 months ago
"Normal office fires is what's supposed to have brought these buildings down...along with jet-plane impacts". ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW. Quit looking at every single detail with the goal of finding the government behind it. You guys think the moon landing was a hoax also? Osama's death faked? Fake birth certificate from Obama? DO SOMETHING MORE PROGRESSIVE PLEASE
skythefly13 9 months ago
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Some people on here think I'm ignoring them because they won... that's just not the case. I am tired of the babble, and I have other things I enjoy doing. I was spending three quarters of my day doing this, then nothing else much got done.
Accusing me of being a Child Abuser is the lowest anyone could go, of course I'll report it, and few could blame me.
Stuffed Toys Only, I Don't Abuse Children.
Fieve.
FievelJ69 9 months ago
Dr Judy Wood asks "where did the towers go".....
You want 9/11 truth? Look her up......
TheRealDerfMan 9 months ago
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FievelJ69 9 months ago
Wow, look at that suit. That must have cost, ahm.... six, 12 times my entire outfit?
Hows about an Average Joe, not making 100 Millions, who's willing to give some to survivors? I would give all but a 200 dollar paycheck, to survivors.
That's all... Just 200 a week.
This man probably hasn't given a single penny, to survivors or their families.
Why The Hell NOT?
Fieve.
FievelJ69 9 months ago
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FievelJ69 9 months ago
Hey Richard Gage... what's with the cardboard boxes?
Ahm, why is it, I really don't believe the dropping of cardboard boxes, is even going to explain the WTC.
Why did one collapse at 15 seconds, while the other took over 22, but you claim it to be only around 12 seconds?
Gage, did you ever build a structure, anything like the WTC, or were they all, a block by block bases?
Did you ever give any of your money, to victims, and or their families?
I would really like to know.
These R my Questions.
FievelJ69 9 months ago
@FievelJ69 a box that is 1/4th the size of the other boxes, when dropped onto the 3/4's cannot CRUSH, or ACCELERATE through that bigger section of boxes, it's basic physics.
On 9/11, that 1/4 of WTC smashed through that 3/4 of WTC with ACCELERATION, and ended up somehow completely smashing everything into dust
His box example shows that what we were made to believe on 9/11, IS IMPOSSIBLE. You cant have the same object smash a bigger size of that same object, it defies physics
Pretty simple.
Jaffsickle 9 months ago
@Jaffsickle That doesn't prove anything.
It does however prove, that this man is an idiot. 1,000s of tons of weight, pressing down on a single floor. I guess it's suppose to remain intact somehow? Even the builders prier to 9/11, said the building could only withstand so much damage to certain (Trusses) columns, before the entire building would fail.
He seems to fail to realize, the difference of the way the WTC was built.
The Empire State Building, would *NOT* have collapsed.
Fieve.
FievelJ69 9 months ago
@FievelJ69 no steel high rise has ever collapsed due to fire, first of all.
Secondly 1000s of tons of weight were not being held up by 1 story. it was being held up by the whole structure itself. Your logic is heavily flawed, most likely on purpose :|
A smaller chunk of box cannot crush a bigger chunk of box, let alone accelerate through it, from gravity.
A smaller chunk of WTC cannot crush a bigger chunk of WTC, let alone accelerate through it, from gravity.
This is very basic physics lol
Jaffsickle 9 months ago
@Jaffsickle So then?
I have the qualifications of a structural engineer, my teachers told me, that that's what I should do.
Core, held by the trusses, held by the outer walls.
There were NO interior columns, besides just the core, and outer walls.
Building 6, was block by block, NOT Tube in tube, like WTC1 2 and 7.
So guess what, because of a design difference, it didn't collapse, till they "Pull It"
Pulled it with cables.
If I'd perused Architectural Design, I'd be a Professional now.
Fieve.
FievelJ69 9 months ago
@FievelJ69 I dont understand why you decide to go on random tangents rather than address the simple fact that steel high rises have never, and will never, collapse due to fire.
once again, a smaller piece of WTC tower cannot pile drive through a bigger piece of WTC tower, with gravity, and accelerate. It DEFIES ISAAC NEWTON'S LAWS OF PHYSICS.
secondly, WTC7 FREEFELL for 8 stories. 8 stories of no resistance, no core columns, no support.
The only way that can be achieved is with demolition
Jaffsickle 9 months ago
@Jaffsickle You are arguing with a True Pro, who knows.
So tell me genus, what would've happened if they'd hit The World Trade Center?
Top portion, setting on one concrete floor. 1,000s of tons.
Name me a Single, One Single Structure Build Like The Twin Towers.
I Can Build My Own, And Collapse Them The Same Way.
I guarantee You, They WOULD COLLAPSE THE SAME WAY.
How many hours did you spend studying the plans? I spent better then 6 days, minus sleep, studying the plans.
Fieve.
FievelJ69 9 months ago
@Jaffsickle Oops
Correction... What would've happened if they'd hit (The Empire State Building) instead?
Would of that collapsed? watch?v=__gUjUv1vvw
watch?v=KCbu3CvD3h8
Just where do you see interior support columns, preventing a pancake collapse?
Ahm, you don't. So how could you really say it wasn't a pancaked collapse?
Fieve.
FievelJ69 9 months ago
@FievelJ69 I dont understand why you decide to go on random tangents rather than address the simple fact that steel high rises have never, and will never, collapse due to fire.
once again, a smaller piece of WTC tower cannot pile drive through a bigger piece of WTC tower, with gravity, and accelerate. It DEFIES ISAAC NEWTON'S LAWS OF PHYSICS.
secondly, WTC7 FREEFELL for 8 stories. 8 stories of no resistance, no core columns, no support.
The only way that can be achieved is with demolition
Jaffsickle 9 months ago
@Jaffsickle Deleted it huh?
"You can debunk Newtonian Physics? Show me where Free Fall can be achieved in WTC7 without demolition. Please, show me. I'd love to know it wasn't a demolition, because the only way to remove 8 stories of core columns and support beams is with demolition."
So he had a building like 7. Which by the end of the day, was sitting on almost nothing, to prove this by?
Or he had WTC1 & 2. So as to prove whether or not they would Pancake Collapse?
Fieve.
FievelJ69 9 months ago
@Jaffsickle Oh and BTW.
When did I say it was fire alone?
FievelJ69 9 months ago
@FievelJ69 MilitaryOfficersfor911Truth org - Scientistsfor911Truth org - FireFightersfor911truth org - Scholarsfor911Truth org - Pilotsfor911Truth org - Lawyersfor911Truth org - ActorsAndArtistsfor911Truth org - AE911Truth org - mp911truth org
RememberBuilding7 org , NYCCAN org, BuildingWhat org.
9/11 was a controlled demolition based off basic physics. any of those websites, which include, scientists, firefighters, scholars, lawyers, architects, engineers, actors, artists, pilots etc, agree
Jaffsickle 9 months ago
@Jaffsickle 0
I mean 0 of that, I haven't already saw debunked. Every single claim so far... everyone of them, I have saw debunked. And so far, I haven't saw a single claim, that would hold up in a court of law.
Fieve.
FievelJ69 9 months ago
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Jaffsickle 9 months ago
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@FievelJ69 You can debunk Newtonian Physics? Show me where Free Fall can be achieved in WTC7 without demolition. Please, show me. I'd love to know it wasn't a demolition, because the only way to remove 8 stories of core columns and support beams is with demolition.
You cant just "hope" and "pray" that Isaac Newton is wrong, and then based off that opinion say you "debunked" it. Show me 1 way 8 stories of core columns and supporting steel can be removed without demolition to back up your claim.
Jaffsickle 9 months ago
@FievelJ69 I read a bit of your dribble and it is a little confussing... you say your truly a structual pro yet you believe the offical story is correct and you haven't saw a single claim, that would hold up in a court of law?... If so, you have absolutely no idea on structual engineering or had any demolition experience whatsoever.. And i do mean whatsoever.. you are clueless to say the least..
KungFriedChicken 9 months ago
@KungFriedChicken U didn't even post a link.
How's this.
wtc dot nist dot gov
Building 7 alone is explained in 1,000 pages.
BTW.
You do not have to be a structural engineer to figure out, that would be the only way those buildings would collapse. An 8-year-old could figure that out.
I've actually saw a 10-year-old debunk some of this stuff.
so you must be 4, with a high
FievelJ69 9 months ago
@FievelJ69
NIST used 1000s of pages to NOT explain how the "Magic Bullit" column 79 made the heat go all around the building and made it collapse straight down in 7,5 sec with a 2.25 secs of free fall. They "figured it out" by computer fantasies. And there's nothing scientific about the NIST Reports; they were ordered to come up with fire hypothesis and not to examine and explain what happened.
Thetan1974 9 months ago
@KungFriedChicken vocabulary
LOL
easy physics... but you act as though the physics are wrong.
so dominoes won't fall either. And that's pretty much in a sort of way, what DID happen.
Link Me,,, Prove your side.
AND NO YOUTUBE VIDEOS, I AM TIRED OF THOSE.
FievelJ69 9 months ago
@FievelJ69
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