In a perfect world, theyd both be equal but we dont live a perfect world so therefore my vote is on 6.8 bc of its stopping power and reliability with the ar platform as opposed to the 5.56 ar15 thats been around for 50 years and all i hear are complaints about the gi version but pistons are too expensive so.... 6.8
@Vergon3256 Not necessarily, because the 5.56 is light, it's designed to tumble inside of a persons body. The 6.8 will go in and out in a straight line. So the 5.56 could actually be deadlier.
@pac6010 you are very much wrong. Look up the 6.5 Grendel. It has 1000yd capability, close enough punch of the 6.8 spc, with the recoil unnoticeably more than the 5.56 NATO. It's a shame Alexander Arms is so stingy with the patten rights
As long as you remember that the 6.8 SPC is intended to be a short to medium range heavy hitter, it will serve you well. It was intended to knocked the sh!t out anyone you shoot with it out to 300 yards. It will reliably take white tail deer out to 250. Its not a long range precision round but it will break you in half with in its intended range envelope. I want to build a 6.8 upper for hunting wild hogs. 110 grain accubond is a killer for sure.
I've heard the law enforcement agencies that have switched to this round have been very satisfied with the results and NATO is going to need a new round if they get into conflicts with countries like Iran or North Korea. I have also is also very easy to convert an AR that shoots a 5.56 (.223) to a 6.8 spc. This would also make one hell of a coyote hunting round.
@dirtbagwhitetrash Pretty much anyone Nato fights uses AK style rifles already, they have needed a new round since they adopted the 5.56 lol. They need something like what the Russians tried to do when they created the AK-74 chambered in 5.45x39mm. You will always be fighting the war between knock down power and long distance stopping power combined with recoil. Obviously Its harder to make than talk about because as of now they haven't been able to find a round that can do all that.
@Alexper12 That's exactly how it was designed, it was some SpecOps operators and remington that got together after all, so they did exactly what you said, Took the knock down of a 762, and put the speed of a 5.56 behind it, giving it a 70% higher fatality rate.
@Alexper12 Well said. Tell Everybody to buy a 6.8 POF rifle and purchase the 5.56 and 7.62 uppers if they are not satisfied with the 6.8. I have a 6.8 and I love it far more then my 5.56. I use it for Coyote hunting and at 300yds + it drops them in one shot. I also learned that, buying the ammunition it ridiculous so I started making my own. Quite a fun hobby for the weekends.
@Alexper12 Not even really a compromise, it is better than both cartridges at their strong points. It has more energy than the 7.62 and a better ballistic coefficient than te 5.56. Hopefully more organizations will adopt this as their primary service cartridge and bring the price of ammunition down.
I know the rifle you use and the manufacturer of the ammo you use can effect this but is there a very large difference in the recoil between these two calibers? I'm sure there's a difference but roughly how much?
Larger calibers can be more accurate as they are often are accompanied by higher ballistic coefficients and higher velocity. The faster the bullet reaches the target and the more streamlined it is the less it is affected by wind
Actually, I think that is exactly why they developed the 6.8, The 5.56 was, and still is, failing to produce the desired results. I have seen enemy combatants struck with 5.56 continue to fight and/ or attempt to evade capture. I have not used the 6.8 in combat but from personal use and comparisons, I would strongly prefer to carry a 6.8 on my next tour.
I doubt your going to feel much better if either one of those hits you in the face. Its not like your going to be in a gunfight and get shot with a 5.56 and think 'oh im cool, just lucky that was'nt a 6.80 or id be in trouble'
I shoot an 18.6" barreled 1 - 11" twist spec 11 chambered Robinson Arms XCR-L in 6.8spc & I have a 18.6" 1-9" twist 5.56 complete upper as well there is no comparison between the two the 6.8 beats the 5.56 hands down and your 308 fails when you compare it to my 300RUM or my 375RUM... :)
@allMTN Case size. Notice the speed of the 6.5 isn't even that great with a 24 inch barrel. Where it shines is long range accuracy and energy available at long ranges.
Whoops sorry my infinite military tax bills paying for a scripted and ridiculous war is starting to blow up the mailbox and my bank account, must take care of them. bye bye
@frenchfrys12 THE CURRENT IRAQ WAR IS A SHAM WOW. OIL AND MILITARY CONTRACTS. THATS ALL IT IS. AT LEAST THE WEAPONS OUR BOYS HAVE ARE THE BEST MONEY CAN BUY. BUT UNFORTUNATELY THATS NOT THE CASE EITHER. THE LOWEST BIDDER IS THE WINNER. ARM THEM WITH RELIABLE WEAPONS, AND THE LETHALIST AND CONTROLABLE ROUNDS. THEY FIGHT, THEY DIE, AT LEAST THEY CAN DO SO WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THEY GOT THE BEST TOOLS FOR THE JOB.
@frenchfrys12 Why the politics of war... go post on a video that bitches and whines about the war. Let's just talk about which is the better round instead of forcing this comment thread into shit you ain't doing anything about.
@nyquildays And what glory may you bring my master? Their are so many mindless fucks out these days. Getting a good calm debate going is impossible without Mr. Omega leaping in is incredibly low. Do a favor and smash your fingers so you don't be such a burden a cyberspace.
@frenchfrys12 You have the right to post anything you want. It's just that everywhere I go no matter what the topic, some one has something to say about what is going on over here. Ain't many been in theater. I just thought you were trolling for a politic battle on a thread about two different sized rounds. A bit off topic and I wanted to call you out on it.
@nyquildays No, we were sharing ideas. And what you did was barge in and directly insult me. I suppose you; a glorious troll destined to ruin a smooth debate, and turn it into your masturbation time.
@frenchfrys12 I didn't mean to insult. I certainly didn't mean to troll. I honestly just wanted to see some opinoins about the video and I can't get my point across due to me being pissed off at the world right now. I will stop.
@frenchfrys12 As far as being mindless, that's a common dumb ass misconception about the Marine Corps and military for that matter that many fat ass internet geeks have. You know the ones who bitch and moan about shit they know nothing about. Which is more mindless, us who have actually been to the countries that you bitch about or those who sit in a warm room their momma's paid for and troll the internet? Which one are you?
For pure stopping power why not get a .300 winmag or .50 bmg? You don't use a carbine in a open plain firefight. A good old long/sniper rifle would be my option in that case.
@frenchfrys12 THATS ALL WELL AND GOOD ON THE RANGE OR IN A VIDEO GAME. U CAN LOAD OUT HOWEVER U LIKE. BUT IN THE REAL WORLD A RIFLE PLATOON IS EQUIPPED WITH THIER RIFLES AND SIDEARMS. THEY MAY HAVE SOME SPECIALISTS LIKE A DESIGNATED MARKSMEN, OR SAW GUNNER. BUT BY FAR AND LARGE MOST FIREFIGHTS ARE DONE WITH AR'S. THATS WHAT THEY DESIGNED FOR. BUT I AGREE WITH U ON 50CAL. SHIT MAKE A WHOLE PLATOON ARMED WITH M107'S THERE WOULD ALWAYS BE A ONESIDED FIREFIGHT UNLESS UP CLOSE. THEN THEY DONE
@HUEJOHNSON Yes, in op desert storm their was no such thing as an infantry assault. A battlefield that gives the 6.8 an advantage is going to be plagued by vehicle and tank interference. No need to mass produce ammo for such a small use. 6.8 should go to hunters. 9mm Jacketed hollowpoint is my current firearm I use for personal defense, cheaper and still drops guy in one well placed shot.
@frenchfrys12 EH I PREFER MY .45ACP HOLLOWS, IN MY MK 23. CANT GO WRONG. MAKES A BIGGER HOLE AND DROPS EM IN ONE SHOT GUARANTEED. AS FOR DESERT STORM, MOST INFINTRY THESE DAYS ARE MECH INFINTRY, RIDING IN APC OR IFV'S. BUT THEY PLAY A CRUCIAL ROLE. PERSONAL FIREARMS ARE ESSENTIAL TO ANY COMBAT OP. IN OPS WHERE VEHICLES CANT GO LIKE IN AFGAN, INFINTRY IS KEY TO SUCCESS. THATS WHY MORE LETHAL ROUNDS ARE NEEDED TO BEEF UP OUR SOLDIERS FIREPOWER. THE 6.8 IS THE ROUND OF THE FUTURE.
@HUEJOHNSON All next gen rifles likely to replace the venerable M4/M16 are all 5.56. If the 6.8 was superior, they would be investing in another weapons system. Changing standard caliber size means billions of tax dollars must go to the replacement program. 6.8 is a bit better in CERTAIN CRITERIA you mentioned, but the cost is greater than the reward.
@frenchfrys12 IT ALL POLITICS. THE M16/M4 IS A GOOD GUN, THE ONLY DRAWBACK IS THE GAS SYSTEM, IF IT HAD A PISTON INSTEAD OF DI, IT LAST FOR ANOTHER 60 YEARS. 6.8 IS THE ROUND OF THE FUTURE HANDS DOWN. U THINK LIKE A BEUROCRAT, UNFORTUNATLY THERES TO MANY PEEPS LIKE THAT, THINKIN BOUT PENNIES, WHEN SOLDIERS LIVES ARE AT STAKE. THEY SHOULD MASS PRODUCE THE 6.8 AND SELL OFF EXCESS 5.56 TO ALLIES, OR KEEP THEM FOR CURRENT STOCK WEAPONS. THERE IS NO COST GREATER THAN DEAD SOLDIERS. 6.8 ALL THE WAY
@HUEJOHNSON Well why don't you sponsor that. I already live in Kommiefornia aka California. I wont let taxes take half our paycheck. 6.8 isn't a marvelous reinvention, its like taking a .22Long and replacing it with a 32. acp.
@frenchfrys12 BAD ANALOGY. TRUST ME ON THAT. IF IT WAS UP TO ME, ID RESTOCK NATO WITH REC 7'S AND A SHIT LOAD OF 6.8 AMMO. DI IS NOT A RELIABLE OPTION INTERMS OF GAS SYSTEM. THE RUSSIANS KNEW THIS AND NEVER CHANGED THIER DESIGN. WE LIKE MORONS WENT FROM THE M14 PISTON OPERATION TO THE M16 DI. DUMB. GOOD ON PAPER, LETHAL IN THE FIELD. IF THE M16 HAD A PISTON, BEST GUN EVER. THE 6.8 COMBINES ALL THE BEST TRAITS, AND IS MANAGEABLE IN AUTO FIRE. THUMBS WAY FUCKIN UP.
@frenchfrys12 IF THE GOV WAS TO SWITCH OVER TO SAY THE BARRET REC 7, TRAINING IS NEGLIGABLE SINCE THE GUN IS PRACTICALLY AN M16 DERIVATIVE. THE GOV IS CURRENTLY PROCURING ANOTHER 600K M4'S. WHAT A BUNCH OF RETARDS. THEYD BE BETTER OFF BUYING HK 416'S. ID TAKE RELIABILITY AND A 5.56MM THEN A JAMMED GUN AND DEATH. BUT LIKE I SAID POLITICS, AND WEAPON CONTRACTS. LOTS OF MONEY TO BE MADE. WHATS A FEW DEAD SOLDIERS BUT ANOTHER BUNCH OF NUMBERS ON THESE ASSHOLES PAPERS. WRONG FUCKIN MENTALITY
@HUEJOHNSON 9mm offers a larger size mag with less recoil. Good hollowpoints like hornady tap 9mm can put a big hole through a criminal :%90 chance he will fall over dead. Combine that with the reliable Glock 19C and you got a fail proof firearm.
Yet if you choose that .44 mag fancy smanshy Cor Bon Powr-ball in that almighty S&W revolver, you have a 5 round capacity with a lot of recoil. Sure you have a %150 chance of overkill with a direct hit, but his knife is going to get you first.
@frenchfrys12 I LOVE MY MK.23 SOCOM, FIRING 45ACP+P HOLLOW POINTS. ITS A ONE SHOT ONE KILL WITH THIS MOFO. 12 +1 IN THE CHAMBER. NO PROB. DROP U ON UR ASS LIKE A SACK OF SHIT. ALL ROUNDS ARE LETHAL, BUT IT DEPENDS ON PLACEMENT. YES 9MM GIVES U LARGER MAG, HELL ILL TAKE A GLOCK 17 OR 18 IF I CAN GET MY HANDS ON ONE. BUT THE 9MM...EH....LIKE I SAID ANYTHING THAT AINT A .45 IS A WASTE OF AMMO.
@Rsanson21 I LIKE THE .45 CAUSE IT HAS THE MASS AND IS SUBSONIC, MAKING IT IDEAL FOR SUPPRESSORS. .40 CAL, EH...LIKE I SAID ANYTHING THATS NOT A .45 IS A WASTE OF AMMO. THE PRESSURE DIFFRENCE IS NEGLIGABLE. THE .45 MAKES UP FOR IT WITH SHEER SIZE. EITHER WAY, GETTING HIT WITH ONE OR THE OTHER IS GOING TO RUIN UR DAY BIG TIME.
Now lets talk about properly using a 6.8mm. Since rifle hunting usually results in penetration, 6.8SPC has the advantage in that scenario, delivering more energy. It also has somewhat more stopping power under 200 yards, perfect for boars and deer. But war isn't about hunting big animals, its about winning, and 5.56 still stands out as #1 for that one purpose.
@frenchfrys12 THINK ABOUT A SQUAD ENGAGMENT, ONE IS EQUIPPED WITH 5.56 AND THE OTHER IS 6.8 AT A RANGE OF 350M. BOTH CARRY AROUND THE SAME NUMBER OF MAGS. BUT THE 6.8 IS A ONE SHOT KILL AT THAT RANGE WHERE AS THE 5.56 MAY TAKE 1-2 ROUNDS TO DROP A TARGET. IF BOTH ARE PRACTICING PROPER SHOT PLACEMENT THE CHANCES FOR THE 6.8 TO EMERGE VICTORIOUS IS GREATER. NOW IN TERMS OF HUNTING, ID RATHER HAVE A 6.8 THAN A 5.56 TO HUNT WITH. WAR/HUNTING, BIGGER ROUND=MORE STOPPING POWER.
@HUEJOHNSON Did you forget 5.56's better accuracy? Besides, shooting someone anywhere disables their ability to fight, therefore its still a casualty.
@frenchfrys12 THE ONLY REASON WHY THE 5.56 IS BETTER IN THE ACCURACY DEPARTMENT IS CAUSE IT FLIES FASTER AND SHOOTS FROM A MORE STABLE PLATFORM THAN THE 7.62X39 IN THE AK. THE AK IS BUILD WITH GENEROUS CLEARANCE BETWEEN THE MOVING PARTS. IF U FIRED A 7.62X39 SAY FROM AN ACR, OR SCAR, IT WOULD BE PINPOINT ACCURATE, ALBEIT IT WOULD ONLY BE EFFECTIVE OUT TO RANGES OF 300M ANY FURTHER AND IT WOULD DROP OUT OF THE SKY.
@frenchfrys12 MY CO2 PISTOL IS DEADLY ACCURATE, IT FIRES 4.7MM PROJECTILES, AT ROUGHLY 400 FPS. BUT U DONT SEE ME CHARGING INTO BATTLE WITH THAT CAUSE ITS ACCURATE. THE 5.56 IS MOST EFFECTIVE FROM A FULL LENGTH BARREL. FIRING FROM CARBINES LOSES ITS ABILITY TO FRAGMENT. THATS WHY THE 6.8 IS THE PERFECT CARBINE ROUND, AND IS JUST AS ACCURATE AS THE 5.56 WITH THE ADDED BENEFIT OF INCREASED STOPPING POWER. IF I SHOT U IN THE LEG DO U THINK U GONNA STOP FIGHTING? DONT THINK SO.
@frenchfrys12 U ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER IN COMBAT, UR BODY IS DROWNING IN ADRENALINE. U FEEL LESS PAIN, AND SAY ENEMY COMBATANTS ARE HOPPED UP ON PAIN KILLERS SAY LIKE OPIUM OR SOME OF THE OTHER SHIT THAT WAS REPORTED IN THE FIELD FROM SAY PLACES LIKE SOMALIA, WHEN U SHOOT THOSE FUCKERS THEY DONT FEEL THAT SHIT. I STILL DONT GET WHY THEY JUST DONT DROP EM WITH A HEAD SHOT, CENTER OF MASS, AIM CENTER OF MASS. NO, AIM FOR THE HEAD THAT SHOULD SOLVE PROB. U GOT SIGHTS USE EM.
@HUEJOHNSON Because even a 9mm will knock you out. When the 5.56 loses its ability to fragment It tumbles and gets lodged in your body. I don't need to make a straight hole through the person. Nuff said.
@frenchfrys12 EH, ANYTHING LESS THAN A .45 IS A WASTE OF AMMO. ACTUALLY THE 5.56 MOVES SO FAST IT GOES RIGHT THROUGH U. BUT LIKE I SAID WHEN IT REACHES SUFFICIENT MUZZLE VELOCITY IT TUMBLES THEN FRAGS. THE ROUNDS SIZE ITSELF DOESNT TRANSFER THAT MUCH ENERGY, MAKIN A TINY HOLE AND A DECENT SIZED EXIT WOUND, WHEN FIRED FROM A CARBINE. STILL LETHAL, BUT FROM A FULL SIZED BARREL, IT WILL TUMBLE AND FRAG CAUSING ALMOST INSTANT LETHALITY. ACCORDING TO THE MANUFACTURES OF COARSE.
@HUEJOHNSON The 6.8 SPC has more drop then the 5.56x45 and does not come even close to its velocity. The 7.62x39 if loaded right nearly has the same velocity of the 6.8 SPC.
@esh325 THE 7.62X39 PERFORMS POORLY PAST RANGES OF 300M. IT WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR COMBAT IN THAT RANGE. THE 6.8 MAY NOT GO AS FAST AS THE 5.56 AND MAY DROP EARLIER, BUT ONCE IT REACHES ITS TARGET IT TRANSFERS MORE ENERGY THAN THE 5.56. IT COMES DOWN TO MUZZLE VELOCITY. THE 5.56 REACHES THOSE VELOCITIES IN A 20INCH BARREL NOT A CARBINE. FIRED FROM A CARBINE IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT AND THE 6.8 HAS THE RIGHT STUFF IN ALL CATEGORIES. HANDS DOWN.
@HUEJOHNSON The 7.62x39 has never been loaded right, that's why. You load a 110 GR 7.62x39 and i'll bet it'll be coming out of the muzzle nearly as fast as a 6.8 SPC. I don't deny that the 6.8 SPC is more improvement over the 5.56x45, but we should focus on improving rounds like the 7.62x39 that offer similar performance. A 5.56x45 coming out of a 14 inch barrel has 2,900 fts versus a M468 coming out of a 16 inch barrel which has 2650. The 5.56x45 is nearly 250 FPS faster out of a short barrel.
@esh325 DONT THINK INTERMS OF MUZZLE VELOCITY, THINK IN TERMS OF ENERGY TRANSFER AT TIME OF IMPACT. 7.62X39 - 1500 FT.LBS, 5.56X45 - 1,303 FT.LBS, 6.8 - 1694 FT/LBS. REMEMBER THESE ARE APPROXIMATES. BUT THE 7.62 LIKE I SAID IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR COMBAT AT RANGES OF 300M AFTER THAT THE ROUND ACTUALLY FALLS OUT OF THE SKY. AT CLOSE RANGE NO DOUBT ABOUT IT THE 7.62 WILL DROP U ON UR ASS. BUT RANGED COMBAT YEAH 6.8. ACCURACY, POWER AND WEIGHT, HANDS DOWN, #1.
@HUEJOHNSON I'll give the 6.8 SPC that it does have bit more energy then the 7.62x39. The 6.8 like the 7.62x39 is also a round that it going to be limited in its effectiveness at long range compared to a 7.62x51. A 6.8 spc isn't a good sniping round. Rounds like the 6.5 grendel as arguebally better then either the 7.62x39 or 6.8 spc. It's good from short range to long range.
@esh325 THE 6.5 IS GENERALLY REGARDED AS A DESIGNATED MARKSMEN ROUND. ITS GOOD FOR SNIPER APPLICATIONS, FOR IT HAS THE TENDINCIES OF MAINTAINING ITS LETHAL ENERGY UP TO GREATER DISTANCE. THE 6.8 IS A GENERAL PURPOSE ROUND, THAT IS GOOD IN EVERY ASPECT, AND CAN ALSO BE USED TO SNIPE. REMEMBER NOT ALL ENGAGMENTS ARE IN FULL AUTO. EACH AND EVERY RIFLE MAN IS A SNIPER. SINGLE SHOT KILLS IS THE NAME OF THE GAME. WITH TODAYS OPTICS IT MAKES IT EVEN MORE LIKELY OF THAT HAPPENING.
@HUEJOHNSON I can't see the 6.8 being a good sniping round. Just look at how 7.62x51 will push a much larger bullet out at a faster speed. In Afghanistan, they already find the 7.62x51 not good enough and are using .300 winchester magnum. Just imagine if they had to deal with 6.8 spc.
@esh325 AS A STANDARD SNIPING ROUND NO THE 6.8 DOESNT CUT IT FOR REASONS OF RANGE. IT CANT REACH OUT THAT FAR AS REQUIRED BY SNIPERS. OUT TO THOSE RANGES 7.62X51, MAGNUM ROUNDS, AND 50 BMG ARE IDEAL. BUT FOR THE GRUNTS ON THE GROUND THE 6.8 IS THE ROUND OF CHOICE. ITS GENERAL PURPOSE AND CAN BE USED TO HIT TARGETS AT RANGES OF UP TO 600M EFFECTIVLY. REMEMBER EACH RIFLE MAN IS A MARKMEN. SINGLE SHOT AT RANGE, FULL AUTO IN CQB. THATS THE SOP, MY FRIEND.
@esh325 ID DESIGN A RIFLE THAT FIRED 7.62X51, BUT HAD A SIMPLE, YET RUGGED MECHANISIM THAT WOULD DAMPEN THE RECOIL, MAY ADD FEW OUNCES OF WEIGHT, BUT IF U CAN MAKE A LIGHT RIFLE WITH A COUNTER RECOIL MECH IN 7.62X51, IT WOULD BE THE PERFECT WEAPONS PLATFORM. 7.62 AT ALL RANGES IS THE ROUND OF CHOICE, NOW ADD A TUNGSTON OR DP PENETRATOR AT THE TIP AND A HIGH EXPLOSIVE CHARGE BEHIND WITH A DELAYED TIME FUSE AND U GOT THE ULTIMATE PLATFORM. USE FOR CQB,DESIGNATED MARKSMEN WITHOUT ANY CONVERSIONS
@HUEJOHNSON It's a good idea what you're proposing and it's totally possible, it's just nobody has done it yet. One idea they could do is field 7.62x51's with reduced recoil by making the powder charge and bullet lighter. They could save the more powerful loading for the snipers and machine gunners.
@esh325 THEY HAVE ALREADY CREATED A RECOIL DAMPENER IN THE KRISS/VECTOR SMG. REDUCING THE POWDER LOAD WOULD NEGATE THE POSITIVE ASPECTS OF THE 7.62X51. WOULD MAKE IT SUBSONIC. THAT WOULD BE A LOGISTICS NIGHTMARE. ALL THESE DIFFRENT LOADINGS. ONE STANDARD 7.62 LOADING IS ALL THAT IS REQUIRED. SNIPERS MAY USE HIGHER LOADS FOR GREATER RANGE. BUT FOR GENERAL PURPOSE ITS SMART TO STANDARDIZE.
@esh325 IF THEY DESIGNED A GUN IN FN P90 CONFIG FIRING 5.56, 6.8, OR 7.62X51 THAT GUN WOULD BE THE SHIT. SMALL, LIGHT, LARGE AMMO CAPACITY, GREAT FOR ALL SITUATIONS. PLUS BEING IN A SEMI BULLPUP DESIGN IT WOULD MEAN FULL RIFLE POWER WITH SHORTEND BARREL. THAT WOULD KICK ASS.
THE 6.8 IS A BETTER ROUND THAN THE 5.56. JUST LOOK AT THE VIDEO AND ULL SEE THE DIFF IN PERFORMANCE. THE MOST IMPORTANT THINK ABOUT A ROUND IS WHERE U PLACE IT. IF U SHOOTING A GUY IN THE GUTS MAY STOP HIM BUT NOT DROP HIM SO HE KEEPS FIGHTING, IN THE HEART OR THE HEAD HE DROPS LIKE A STONE.. DONT KNOW WHY THEY COMPLAININ BOUT STOPPING POWER ARNT THEY TAKING KILL SHOTS EVERYTIME. IF U WERE SHOT IN THE HEAD WITH EITHER ONE OF THOSE ROUNDS UR DOA. 6.8 WILL MAKE A BIGGER MESS THOUGH. BAHAHA!
@HUEJOHNSON I don't think its nice when the M855(5.56) fragments inside you body, since its moving at 3200fps. The 6.8 moves at a slower 2,575fps. Its not about caliber, its all about bullet type and velocity. Forget that "future weapons" show.
@frenchfrys12 IM NOT BASING MY OPINION ON SOME TV SHOW BUT ACTUAL EXPERIENCE. HAVE U EVER EVEN FIRED A GUN. THE RESON THE 5.56 IS PERFORMING POORLY WITH THE M4 IS BECAUSE THAT ROUND WAS DESIGND TO BE FIRED FROM A FULL LENGTH BARREL. THE SHORTEND CARBINES, CANT GENERATE THE MUZZLE VELOCITY FOR THE ROUND TO TUMBLE AND FRAGMENT IN THE BODY. THE 5.56 MOVE FASTER THAN EVEN THE 7.62, BUT ITS THE ENERGY TRANSFER THATS THE PROBLEM. WITH A LONGER BARREL THE 5.56 TUMBLES AND FRAGS IN THE BODY.
@frenchfrys12 THE MASS OF THE ROUND ALSO PLAYS AN IMPROTANT FACTOR. WHEN INITIALLY FIELDED THE 5.56 WAS WAY TO LIGHT, LATER ON THE BELGIANS MADE A HEAVIER ROUND WHICH IS THE STANDARD TODAY. THE 6.8 MAY MOVE SLOWER, BUT THE MASS OF THE ROUND IS ABLE TO TRANSFER MORE ENERGY INTO THE TARGET RESULTING IN A SINGLE SHOT KILL. ITS THE KINETIC ENERGY OF THE ROUND THAT KILLS, PLUS THE BLOOD LOSS FROM THE TISSUE IT HAS DESTROYED. THE BIGGER THE ROUND THE MORE ENERGY. 50 CAL / 30 CAL, BIG DIFF.
@HUEJOHNSON Tissue damage? Ever considering getting a jacketed hollowpoint or WP round? Always use the smallest caliber that can perform its job/mission. That allows you to get the greatest accuracy, less recoil, and more capacity with a smaller weapons system.
In the same barrel length, 5.56's terminal velocity is still a constant 1.7x faster and therefore a 5.56 will still be more useful and close quarters. That extra speed is immediately converted to hydrostatic shock upon impact.
@frenchfrys12 I DONT CONSIDER THOSE ROUNDS. I CONSIDER APHE ROUNDS. WITH THOSE U GET ARMOUR PIERCING AND HIGH EXPLOSIVE IN ONE NEAT PACKAGE. IF THEY FIELDED AMMO LIKE THAT, A LOT OF PROBS WOULD BE SOLVED. UNFORTUNATLY ITS BANNED UNDER THE GENEVA CONVENTION. THE 6.8 IS THE BALANCE BETWEEN 5.56 AND 7.62. THINK BOUT IT. 7.62X51 IS A STANDARD SNIPER/GPMG ROUND. EXTREMELY POWERFUL. THE 6.8 BRIDGES THE GAP WITH POWER, ACCURACY AND WEIGHT PARAMETERS. IN CQB THE 6.8 FAR SURPASSES THE 5.56.
@frenchfrys12 LARGER DIAMETER ROUND WITH A GREATER WEIGHT, MEANS A GREATER ENERGY DUMP INTO THE TARGET. U MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THE 6.8 IS A BB. THAT THING WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO REPLACE THE 5.56. IT EXCELS IN ALL THE ASPECTS IN WHICH THE 5.56 IS CURRENTLY DEPLOYED. IT MAY A SLIGHTLY REDUCED RANGE, BUT A 5.56 AT ITS MAX RANGE LOSES THE MAJORITY OF ITS KINETIC ENERGY. BOTH ARE GOOD PAST 300M, BUT THE CHANCES OF A ONE SHOT KILL ARE INCREASED WITH THE 6.8 OUT TO RANGES UP TO 400-500M.
@SLCsXe Yeah and the 6.8's ballistics start taking it's punch away at roughly 300yds. In Afghanistan the 5.56 has recorded kills at 750yds. I'll stick to my 5.56.
6.8 is an awesome round no doubt......but the 5.56 will kill you just as dead and anyone can be trained to be effective with it in a very short time.....and like an earlier comment , shot placement is everything
5.56 lighter, cheaper, just as capable when used as supresive fire, and we aren't trying to kill our enemies with higher calliber or power, just demorilize them with overall superior military power, and make them want to fly the white flag.
@DessertWorm99 I'll take the take down power over quantity and cheapness any day. One shot one kill. You can demoralize them all you want. As a Marine I tried to kill everyone that was allowed in our ROE. War sucks for the rest of you. For me it was my job and I loved it. Remember the enemy's white flag is virgins in heaven. I never saw a flag waved. But every asshole has an opinion and most of them stink.
@DessertWorm99 SUPPRESSIVE FIRE HUH, THATS WHAT HAPPEND IN VIETNAM AND THEY ENDED UP TURNING THE M16 FROM FULL AUTO TO 3 ROUND BURST. ITS BEEN ALMOST 10 YEARS NOW. DOES IT LOOK LIKE THE TALIBAN IS SURRENDING. NOT AT ALL. THE LEATHALEST ROUNDS AVAILABLE IS WHAT OUR TROOPS NEED TO GET THE JOB DONE. WHEN THE ENEMY IS ENGAGED AND DEMOLISHED, THE NEXT WAVE OF FIGHTERS GET SCARED SHITLESS CAUSE THEY SEE THEIR COMRADES BEING PILED UP IN HEAPS. WHATS GOOD ON PAPER ISNT NECCESSARILY GOOD IN THE FIELD
@DessertWorm99 SUPPRESSIVE FIRE HUH, THATS WHAT WE DID IN VIETNAM AND NOW THE M16 WENT FROM FULL AUTO TO 3 ROUND BURST. OUR ENEMIES BELIEVE IN THEIR CAUSE. THE ONLY WAY TO DEFEAT THEM IS TO DESTROY THEM. GIVING OUR TROOPS THE LETHALEST ROUNDS AVAILABLE WILL AID IN THAT CAUSE. JUST BECAUSE THEY RAG TAG DONT MAKE THEM LESS DANGEROUS. THE MOST DEADLIEST WEAPON AVAILABLE IS THE HUMAN BRAIN. REMEBER OUR BOYS BLEED JUST THE SAME AND THEY KNOW IT.
@DirectInjected I SPECIALIZE IN OPENING CANS OF WHOOP ASS WHEN THE OCCASSION CALLS. HELL, IF I RUN AOUT OF AMMO I STILL GOT MY HANDS. BUT THAT IS THE TRUTH, THE HUMAN BRAIN IS THE DEADLIEST WEAPON WE POSSESS. U CAN GIVE A GUN TO A CHIMP AND HE CAN SHOOT U. OUTTHINKING UR ENEMIES AND THE PRECISE APPLICATION OF FORCE IS WHAT WINS WARS. TAKE THE SOVIET INVASION OF AFGHANISTAN FOR INSTANCE. SURE TH MUJAHADS HAD AMERICAN HELP, BUT THEY BEAT OUT A NUMERICALLY AND TECHNOLOGICALLY SUPERIOR FORCE.
There really is no comparison with the 6.8 spc and the civilian .223 55gr. The 62gr 5.56 NATO would have been a better comparison between the two. I was wanting a 6.8 upper for a while but decided not to get it. I figured my AKS has the knock down/penetrating power over my AR, plus the ammo is less expensive and easy to come by. I think the 6.8 is a bad ass round but its just not for me.
@boonedawg68 from a killing-power perspective per round, you're 100% correct. However, there are still disadvantages to the 7.62x51(AKA: .308), primarily weight and recoil.
The weight issue applies to both the platforms and the rounds themselves. A person is able to carry much more 5.56 or 6.8 than 7.62. Also, the higher pressures involved require a heavier weapon to utilize the 7.62 round, further decreasing the amount of other supplies you can bring with you.
@GreysonREC7 a 556 isnt a crappy round?? Our military uses it today. there are dozens of countrys around the world that have the 556 as there standard issued round for their military. ever heard of NATO? or r u just another one of those mw2 kids who thinks they know everything about guns because of a fucking video game? get a life
Damn, me with my Remington 700-.223 @ 200 yards would just butter through 1/4 steel plate and I could not believe it. Because I don't have the right scope but by chance I have hit target out too 500 yards
@ZAC2994 I meant 1,000 not 100...typo, I was responing to a gentleman who asked which would be lighter to carry 1,000 rounds of 5.56 or 6.8, I see a nominal difference and the 6.8 is a better round but typically you aren't going to carry 1,000 rounds on your person
@MrEhud77 Oh my bad .You're right though, but they'll probably find a way so they can carry the same amount of magazines... as soon as they decrease the price for the 6.8. Jesus christ its expensive dude haha.
@ZAC2994 what makes you say/ think that the price of the 6.8mm will be coming down in price? I was looking at the price of ammo its like 3X that of the .223 rounds. I got a STG 556 E4 and a new upper 6.8mm is in the works and I thought SWEET until I saw the ammo prices. $20 dollars for 20 rounds SHIT I can get 20 bullets for 6 bucks of the .223 . GAWD I sure hope the prices of the 6.8 come down.
@eduardomjan1973 because no one is gonna spend that much money on their ammo. The makers or produces of the 6.8 spc will see that their not making any profit off of it so they'll eventually decrease the price plus they developed it for military and law enforcement agencies and so far no military branches or units have bought any 6.8 rounds or magazines (that i know of) but ive heard of a couple of LE agencies that have sooo... we will have to see what happens i guess.
this fight is going on because of enemy combatants not going down after multiple shots. and from experience. A rounds power or kenetic energy has nothing to do with it. ive Seen an Enemy "Special" Grenadier (Fires RPG-7s, Not RPG-7) take and entire Browning M2 .50 Caliber BMG Burst (5-7 Rounds) and Still Try to Fire His RPG At us. Until We All Opened Fire On Him. But That Just Shows That The Round Must Be Designed To Take Out Human-Fleshed Targets. Cause Im sure if a .50 cant, then no 6.8 will.
Good testing. I wonder if you could do a test that would demonstrate the limits of both rounds and their hydrostatic pressure ranges (ie., 55gr 105yds 2700+fps...)?
I'm really looking into getting a 6.8 upper for a new stripped lower I got and don't want to build out into another boring 5.56. Wish I could get a solid answer on which length is truly optimal with the 1:11 twist..18" or 16" too before I buy. Lots of good opinions on this chambering.
i dont understand the point of this. the 6.8 is over double the size of the 5.56, of course its going to blow up a terrorist jug of water with more force.
Damn that new 6.8 mm Rem SPC cartridge is brutal. i looked up the ballistics on it and was pretty impressed but seeing this video of it compared to the 5.56 im just like wow
6.5 has a higher ballistic coefficient which makes it better for long ranges, wind has less effect on it and it carries energy better. excellent sniper round. the 6.8 blows it away for up close and out to 300 yds. not many people can shoot accurately past that anyways. that is the reason the 6.8 was chosen over the 6.5. I know everybody thinks they can be a sniper and shoot 1,000 yds not so.
I agree, when sniping you have to take into consideration many variables like wind direction and the angle of depression (if i remember right, correct me if not) to name a few.
a marine that came to talk in our school said that snipers were an elite group... its not as easy as simply quickscoping like many COD kids these days think
@jetdr I shoot 600 yards regularly with a colt hbar and open sights and one day a guy asked if he could try and well, lets just say he's not going to compete anytime soon.
@jetdr couldnt have said it better. id perfer 6.5 with a silencer cuz accuracy is more important than power in my opinion. headshots take way less bullets than body shots for kills 2 5.56mm shots to the head is definite kill where as 6 5.56mm shots to the body is just about a definite kill. and with silencer u could take headshots easier becuz they wouldnt know ur there and move less.
@jetdr Are you sure the 6.8 really blows away the 6.5 Grendel at closer distances? The Grendel has less recoil than the 6.8 and allows much better follow-up shooting. The 6.8 goes through car doors, the Grendel goes through car doors. The Grendel bucks the wind and provides reliable precision shooting at 600 yds, which is better than the 5.56, the 6.8, and even the .308. Why we are not seeing more ARs in Grendel, I have no idea.
I heard stories of dudes releasing fully loaded magazines in the heat of battle but never fired a shot...even though they swore they emptied on a dude.....it's pretty shitty to admit that stuff happens but it does....not saying that accounts for all stories...when a dude is hopped up on drugs even 6.8 can "fail"....
There have been stories flowing around the military, and have been in the news of guys taking down insurgents with the 5.56, only to see them get back up later. Its true, the armor piercing capability of the 5.56 is almost unmatched because of the velocity, yet the 6.8 does more serious tissue damage upon entry.
That's because dudes MISSED the insurgents. Do you know how many stories of Marines/Soldiers that swear up and down they shot a guy 5 times center-mass at close distance but the baddie just "walked away"? Come to find out later that they either missed completely, never hit them center-mass, or NEVER EVEN FIRED A SINGLE SHOT.....combat stress and "fog of war" can play some nasty tricks in your head....and get you killed....practice, train, practice, train.....
and in my humble opinion, getting hit with 62 gr 5.56 is not going to make you feel better....
some of you guys act like its gonna bounce off your chest and tickle.....go to box o truth and check out the test where he shoots at a steel AK mag fully loaded. Blows right through it and out the back no problems. And that was XM193 55gr ball.
@jetdr very true statement brotha...some ppl prefer the accuracy of smaller rounds and some ppl(like myself) prefer the more lethal amount of damage a bigger round can do...but then again some big rounds are accurate as some small rounds do damage
@MrEhud77 if they dont want to die then why do they plant ieds and after they're set off they shoot a couple of rounds at us and run away and we never see them again? hmm?
the 5.56 was and still has the potential of being a revolutionary round. It's light, FAST, and so versatile. Just mess with different grains and you will see baddie going down real quick. If you wanna role heavy than just grab a .308 SA EBR type rifle. The 5.56 is perfect for close, fast paced combat. Or just wait for the Remington ACR and you can shoot 5.56, 6.5, and 6.8 by just switching out barrels and bolts!
The 7.62x39 AK was never DESIGNED to do that. Hence its short sight radius. A true assault rifle/round is meant for targets well within 200m. If I'm going bigger, might as well go all the way. I think you are missing the "assault" concept in my points.
I understand what you're getting at, but it's better to have a round, and platform that can perform multiple roles.
Can .338 Lapua engage at 450m? Yes. 5.56, 7.62 x51. A lot of rounds can. I was just saying that I like a round that can do multiple things. Effectively.
I asked an Army Sniper buddy who did tours in Kosovo, Iraq and Afghanistan which weapon he preferred over all. The answer surprised me. An M-16 with good optics. he dropped plenty of baddies with that system.
The 5.56 is effective and does what it was designed to do; provide a high velocity, accurate, light weight, low cost round. It does plenty of damage, legal to hunt deer in most states & have you ever seen a coyote hit at 300 yards? nasty...
ummmm the 6.5 is much better at LONG range than the 6.8. It retains much more velocity and therefore energy. The 6.5 can fires a heavier bullet anyway. A 123 gr is standard versus a 115 gr in the SPC. Ive shot 139 gr Scenars through mine. Beyond 250 yds the Grendel is FAR superior. Oh yeah and im an avid handlosder so the whole factory ammo thing doesnt bother me. I cant remember the last time i bought factory ammo aside from rimfire. I shoot wildcats.
better terminal performance in what way? Up close it holds a slight edge but the 6.5 is superior downrange. The 6.8 scrubs off velocity too quickly. Neither round is going to be adopted by the military anytime soon but the Grendel has the ability to replace the 5.56 and the 7.62 rounds by packin plenty of killing power at both CQB and long ranges. It's just not gonna happen anytime soon. Both are fine rounds and I own rifles in both. I will agree the 6.8 is better suited to short barreled rifles
Hm 5.56 vs. 12.7 or better 9mm vs. 12.7 :D
SuperBartek97 3 weeks ago
6.5 Grendel FTW!
Erkl1996 1 month ago
In a perfect world, theyd both be equal but we dont live a perfect world so therefore my vote is on 6.8 bc of its stopping power and reliability with the ar platform as opposed to the 5.56 ar15 thats been around for 50 years and all i hear are complaints about the gi version but pistons are too expensive so.... 6.8
TheCivilianSoldier 1 month ago
6.8 will dance circles around the 5.56. It is much heavier, much faster and much deadlier
Vergon3256 2 months ago
@Vergon3256 Not necessarily, because the 5.56 is light, it's designed to tumble inside of a persons body. The 6.8 will go in and out in a straight line. So the 5.56 could actually be deadlier.
byaaahrabble 1 month ago
@byaaahrabble
ALL BULLETS TUMBLE. This has got to be one of the stupidest myths ever. Go play Call of Duty with your fake m4 some more.
chiconspiracy 4 weeks ago
@pac6010 you are very much wrong. Look up the 6.5 Grendel. It has 1000yd capability, close enough punch of the 6.8 spc, with the recoil unnoticeably more than the 5.56 NATO. It's a shame Alexander Arms is so stingy with the patten rights
Rpb070 3 months ago
As long as you remember that the 6.8 SPC is intended to be a short to medium range heavy hitter, it will serve you well. It was intended to knocked the sh!t out anyone you shoot with it out to 300 yards. It will reliably take white tail deer out to 250. Its not a long range precision round but it will break you in half with in its intended range envelope. I want to build a 6.8 upper for hunting wild hogs. 110 grain accubond is a killer for sure.
rdsii64 4 months ago
@rdsii64 No that is for the 6.5x33
TheGunsoutdoorsshoot 2 months ago
I've heard the law enforcement agencies that have switched to this round have been very satisfied with the results and NATO is going to need a new round if they get into conflicts with countries like Iran or North Korea. I have also is also very easy to convert an AR that shoots a 5.56 (.223) to a 6.8 spc. This would also make one hell of a coyote hunting round.
dirtbagwhitetrash 5 months ago
@dirtbagwhitetrash Pretty much anyone Nato fights uses AK style rifles already, they have needed a new round since they adopted the 5.56 lol. They need something like what the Russians tried to do when they created the AK-74 chambered in 5.45x39mm. You will always be fighting the war between knock down power and long distance stopping power combined with recoil. Obviously Its harder to make than talk about because as of now they haven't been able to find a round that can do all that.
pac6010 4 months ago
@OnTheWhistle the 6.8mm barely has anymore recoil ive shot both
Quinnstafer 5 months ago
6.8 rounds are the shit.
Ultimate compromise between hard hitting kinetic energy rounds like the 7.62 and high velocity compact 5.56.
Alexper12 6 months ago 6
@Alexper12 That's exactly how it was designed, it was some SpecOps operators and remington that got together after all, so they did exactly what you said, Took the knock down of a 762, and put the speed of a 5.56 behind it, giving it a 70% higher fatality rate.
GMBStillFree 6 months ago
@Alexper12 Well said. Tell Everybody to buy a 6.8 POF rifle and purchase the 5.56 and 7.62 uppers if they are not satisfied with the 6.8. I have a 6.8 and I love it far more then my 5.56. I use it for Coyote hunting and at 300yds + it drops them in one shot. I also learned that, buying the ammunition it ridiculous so I started making my own. Quite a fun hobby for the weekends.
fieldx200 2 months ago
@Alexper12 Not even really a compromise, it is better than both cartridges at their strong points. It has more energy than the 7.62 and a better ballistic coefficient than te 5.56. Hopefully more organizations will adopt this as their primary service cartridge and bring the price of ammunition down.
Kurpalac 1 month ago
I know the rifle you use and the manufacturer of the ammo you use can effect this but is there a very large difference in the recoil between these two calibers? I'm sure there's a difference but roughly how much?
OnTheWhistle 7 months ago
Larger calibers can be more accurate as they are often are accompanied by higher ballistic coefficients and higher velocity. The faster the bullet reaches the target and the more streamlined it is the less it is affected by wind
ArmedResponseTrainng 7 months ago
this is a kinda dumb question but could a higher caliber cause higher accuracy, like all on its own?
GodSpeed1234567890 7 months ago
Actually, I think that is exactly why they developed the 6.8, The 5.56 was, and still is, failing to produce the desired results. I have seen enemy combatants struck with 5.56 continue to fight and/ or attempt to evade capture. I have not used the 6.8 in combat but from personal use and comparisons, I would strongly prefer to carry a 6.8 on my next tour.
simbascout 7 months ago
@simbascout That and 6.8 apparantly has a flatter trajectory and longer range coming out of a shorter barrel.
Carbide195 7 months ago
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111E982a 8 months ago
I doubt your going to feel much better if either one of those hits you in the face. Its not like your going to be in a gunfight and get shot with a 5.56 and think 'oh im cool, just lucky that was'nt a 6.80 or id be in trouble'
ThePimpdaddy187 8 months ago 7
Both of those calibers fail in comparison to my .308 :D
peepeevagi 11 months ago
@peepeevagi
I shoot an 18.6" barreled 1 - 11" twist spec 11 chambered Robinson Arms XCR-L in 6.8spc & I have a 18.6" 1-9" twist 5.56 complete upper as well there is no comparison between the two the 6.8 beats the 5.56 hands down and your 308 fails when you compare it to my 300RUM or my 375RUM... :)
CampCook12345 10 months ago
@peepeevagi The .308 fails in comparison to my .338 Lapua! - LOL
Crimble67 9 months ago
@Crimble67 Your .338 lapua fails in comparison to my 7.62 UKM (The round that was based off the .338 and improved :D).
peepeevagi 9 months ago
@peepeevagi Oh yeah? Well my dog can beat up your dog!!! - Ahahahahahahahahah
Crimble67 9 months ago
@Crimble67 Oh? Well... WELL... You're a bitch D:<
lololol
peepeevagi 9 months ago
To convert your Stag, you need a new barrel, bolt & magazine. A new upper & mags, might be easier.
21oPlato 11 months ago
I just bought a Stag AR-15 5.56 I was wondering will a 6.8 fire in my rifle or is it to big for it
ARMORC0RE 1 year ago
@ARMORC0RE
try it...
1thompsonc 1 year ago
@ARMORC0RE how did u get a gun license?
karstinpk 1 year ago
@karstinpk gun license? what are you talking about. A license is not required to purchase a gun in the US
YouDiddntSeeAnything 1 year ago
@ARMORC0RE its too big you ahve to buy a hole new upper for your ar just to fit it
USMCforcerecon878 1 year ago
@ARMORC0RE Stag sells the upper that will fit any AR lower.
jetdr 11 months ago
has anyone ever thought of making a assalte rifle that us a 6mm round?
TheHincks 1 year ago
The 6.5 Grendel is great from a 24 inch barrel. Not so much from a 16 inch barrel. Very poor in fact.
nickma71 1 year ago
@nickma71 Really? Why is that, slower twist rate or something?
allMTN 1 year ago
@allMTN Case size. Notice the speed of the 6.5 isn't even that great with a 24 inch barrel. Where it shines is long range accuracy and energy available at long ranges.
nickma71 1 year ago
$1 a round, ouch
ijl1i 1 year ago
6.8spc ammo is too expensive, might as well go with .308.
RayAir1 1 year ago
im stickin with the 6.5 grendel
matt1523 1 year ago
Whoops sorry my infinite military tax bills paying for a scripted and ridiculous war is starting to blow up the mailbox and my bank account, must take care of them. bye bye
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 THE CURRENT IRAQ WAR IS A SHAM WOW. OIL AND MILITARY CONTRACTS. THATS ALL IT IS. AT LEAST THE WEAPONS OUR BOYS HAVE ARE THE BEST MONEY CAN BUY. BUT UNFORTUNATELY THATS NOT THE CASE EITHER. THE LOWEST BIDDER IS THE WINNER. ARM THEM WITH RELIABLE WEAPONS, AND THE LETHALIST AND CONTROLABLE ROUNDS. THEY FIGHT, THEY DIE, AT LEAST THEY CAN DO SO WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THEY GOT THE BEST TOOLS FOR THE JOB.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 Why the politics of war... go post on a video that bitches and whines about the war. Let's just talk about which is the better round instead of forcing this comment thread into shit you ain't doing anything about.
nyquildays 1 year ago
@nyquildays And what glory may you bring my master? Their are so many mindless fucks out these days. Getting a good calm debate going is impossible without Mr. Omega leaping in is incredibly low. Do a favor and smash your fingers so you don't be such a burden a cyberspace.
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 You have the right to post anything you want. It's just that everywhere I go no matter what the topic, some one has something to say about what is going on over here. Ain't many been in theater. I just thought you were trolling for a politic battle on a thread about two different sized rounds. A bit off topic and I wanted to call you out on it.
nyquildays 1 year ago
@nyquildays No, we were sharing ideas. And what you did was barge in and directly insult me. I suppose you; a glorious troll destined to ruin a smooth debate, and turn it into your masturbation time.
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 I didn't mean to insult. I certainly didn't mean to troll. I honestly just wanted to see some opinoins about the video and I can't get my point across due to me being pissed off at the world right now. I will stop.
nyquildays 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 As far as being mindless, that's a common dumb ass misconception about the Marine Corps and military for that matter that many fat ass internet geeks have. You know the ones who bitch and moan about shit they know nothing about. Which is more mindless, us who have actually been to the countries that you bitch about or those who sit in a warm room their momma's paid for and troll the internet? Which one are you?
nyquildays 1 year ago
For pure stopping power why not get a .300 winmag or .50 bmg? You don't use a carbine in a open plain firefight. A good old long/sniper rifle would be my option in that case.
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 THATS ALL WELL AND GOOD ON THE RANGE OR IN A VIDEO GAME. U CAN LOAD OUT HOWEVER U LIKE. BUT IN THE REAL WORLD A RIFLE PLATOON IS EQUIPPED WITH THIER RIFLES AND SIDEARMS. THEY MAY HAVE SOME SPECIALISTS LIKE A DESIGNATED MARKSMEN, OR SAW GUNNER. BUT BY FAR AND LARGE MOST FIREFIGHTS ARE DONE WITH AR'S. THATS WHAT THEY DESIGNED FOR. BUT I AGREE WITH U ON 50CAL. SHIT MAKE A WHOLE PLATOON ARMED WITH M107'S THERE WOULD ALWAYS BE A ONESIDED FIREFIGHT UNLESS UP CLOSE. THEN THEY DONE
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@HUEJOHNSON Yes, in op desert storm their was no such thing as an infantry assault. A battlefield that gives the 6.8 an advantage is going to be plagued by vehicle and tank interference. No need to mass produce ammo for such a small use. 6.8 should go to hunters. 9mm Jacketed hollowpoint is my current firearm I use for personal defense, cheaper and still drops guy in one well placed shot.
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 EH I PREFER MY .45ACP HOLLOWS, IN MY MK 23. CANT GO WRONG. MAKES A BIGGER HOLE AND DROPS EM IN ONE SHOT GUARANTEED. AS FOR DESERT STORM, MOST INFINTRY THESE DAYS ARE MECH INFINTRY, RIDING IN APC OR IFV'S. BUT THEY PLAY A CRUCIAL ROLE. PERSONAL FIREARMS ARE ESSENTIAL TO ANY COMBAT OP. IN OPS WHERE VEHICLES CANT GO LIKE IN AFGAN, INFINTRY IS KEY TO SUCCESS. THATS WHY MORE LETHAL ROUNDS ARE NEEDED TO BEEF UP OUR SOLDIERS FIREPOWER. THE 6.8 IS THE ROUND OF THE FUTURE.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@HUEJOHNSON All next gen rifles likely to replace the venerable M4/M16 are all 5.56. If the 6.8 was superior, they would be investing in another weapons system. Changing standard caliber size means billions of tax dollars must go to the replacement program. 6.8 is a bit better in CERTAIN CRITERIA you mentioned, but the cost is greater than the reward.
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 IT ALL POLITICS. THE M16/M4 IS A GOOD GUN, THE ONLY DRAWBACK IS THE GAS SYSTEM, IF IT HAD A PISTON INSTEAD OF DI, IT LAST FOR ANOTHER 60 YEARS. 6.8 IS THE ROUND OF THE FUTURE HANDS DOWN. U THINK LIKE A BEUROCRAT, UNFORTUNATLY THERES TO MANY PEEPS LIKE THAT, THINKIN BOUT PENNIES, WHEN SOLDIERS LIVES ARE AT STAKE. THEY SHOULD MASS PRODUCE THE 6.8 AND SELL OFF EXCESS 5.56 TO ALLIES, OR KEEP THEM FOR CURRENT STOCK WEAPONS. THERE IS NO COST GREATER THAN DEAD SOLDIERS. 6.8 ALL THE WAY
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@HUEJOHNSON Well why don't you sponsor that. I already live in Kommiefornia aka California. I wont let taxes take half our paycheck. 6.8 isn't a marvelous reinvention, its like taking a .22Long and replacing it with a 32. acp.
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 BAD ANALOGY. TRUST ME ON THAT. IF IT WAS UP TO ME, ID RESTOCK NATO WITH REC 7'S AND A SHIT LOAD OF 6.8 AMMO. DI IS NOT A RELIABLE OPTION INTERMS OF GAS SYSTEM. THE RUSSIANS KNEW THIS AND NEVER CHANGED THIER DESIGN. WE LIKE MORONS WENT FROM THE M14 PISTON OPERATION TO THE M16 DI. DUMB. GOOD ON PAPER, LETHAL IN THE FIELD. IF THE M16 HAD A PISTON, BEST GUN EVER. THE 6.8 COMBINES ALL THE BEST TRAITS, AND IS MANAGEABLE IN AUTO FIRE. THUMBS WAY FUCKIN UP.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 IF THE GOV WAS TO SWITCH OVER TO SAY THE BARRET REC 7, TRAINING IS NEGLIGABLE SINCE THE GUN IS PRACTICALLY AN M16 DERIVATIVE. THE GOV IS CURRENTLY PROCURING ANOTHER 600K M4'S. WHAT A BUNCH OF RETARDS. THEYD BE BETTER OFF BUYING HK 416'S. ID TAKE RELIABILITY AND A 5.56MM THEN A JAMMED GUN AND DEATH. BUT LIKE I SAID POLITICS, AND WEAPON CONTRACTS. LOTS OF MONEY TO BE MADE. WHATS A FEW DEAD SOLDIERS BUT ANOTHER BUNCH OF NUMBERS ON THESE ASSHOLES PAPERS. WRONG FUCKIN MENTALITY
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@HUEJOHNSON 9mm offers a larger size mag with less recoil. Good hollowpoints like hornady tap 9mm can put a big hole through a criminal :%90 chance he will fall over dead. Combine that with the reliable Glock 19C and you got a fail proof firearm.
Yet if you choose that .44 mag fancy smanshy Cor Bon Powr-ball in that almighty S&W revolver, you have a 5 round capacity with a lot of recoil. Sure you have a %150 chance of overkill with a direct hit, but his knife is going to get you first.
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 I LOVE MY MK.23 SOCOM, FIRING 45ACP+P HOLLOW POINTS. ITS A ONE SHOT ONE KILL WITH THIS MOFO. 12 +1 IN THE CHAMBER. NO PROB. DROP U ON UR ASS LIKE A SACK OF SHIT. ALL ROUNDS ARE LETHAL, BUT IT DEPENDS ON PLACEMENT. YES 9MM GIVES U LARGER MAG, HELL ILL TAKE A GLOCK 17 OR 18 IF I CAN GET MY HANDS ON ONE. BUT THE 9MM...EH....LIKE I SAID ANYTHING THAT AINT A .45 IS A WASTE OF AMMO.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@HUEJOHNSON .40 or 10mm are made to more pressure than a .45acp yea is a bigger bullet but with less force.
Rsanson21 1 year ago
@Rsanson21 I LIKE THE .45 CAUSE IT HAS THE MASS AND IS SUBSONIC, MAKING IT IDEAL FOR SUPPRESSORS. .40 CAL, EH...LIKE I SAID ANYTHING THATS NOT A .45 IS A WASTE OF AMMO. THE PRESSURE DIFFRENCE IS NEGLIGABLE. THE .45 MAKES UP FOR IT WITH SHEER SIZE. EITHER WAY, GETTING HIT WITH ONE OR THE OTHER IS GOING TO RUIN UR DAY BIG TIME.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
Now lets talk about properly using a 6.8mm. Since rifle hunting usually results in penetration, 6.8SPC has the advantage in that scenario, delivering more energy. It also has somewhat more stopping power under 200 yards, perfect for boars and deer. But war isn't about hunting big animals, its about winning, and 5.56 still stands out as #1 for that one purpose.
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 THINK ABOUT A SQUAD ENGAGMENT, ONE IS EQUIPPED WITH 5.56 AND THE OTHER IS 6.8 AT A RANGE OF 350M. BOTH CARRY AROUND THE SAME NUMBER OF MAGS. BUT THE 6.8 IS A ONE SHOT KILL AT THAT RANGE WHERE AS THE 5.56 MAY TAKE 1-2 ROUNDS TO DROP A TARGET. IF BOTH ARE PRACTICING PROPER SHOT PLACEMENT THE CHANCES FOR THE 6.8 TO EMERGE VICTORIOUS IS GREATER. NOW IN TERMS OF HUNTING, ID RATHER HAVE A 6.8 THAN A 5.56 TO HUNT WITH. WAR/HUNTING, BIGGER ROUND=MORE STOPPING POWER.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@HUEJOHNSON Did you forget 5.56's better accuracy? Besides, shooting someone anywhere disables their ability to fight, therefore its still a casualty.
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 THE ONLY REASON WHY THE 5.56 IS BETTER IN THE ACCURACY DEPARTMENT IS CAUSE IT FLIES FASTER AND SHOOTS FROM A MORE STABLE PLATFORM THAN THE 7.62X39 IN THE AK. THE AK IS BUILD WITH GENEROUS CLEARANCE BETWEEN THE MOVING PARTS. IF U FIRED A 7.62X39 SAY FROM AN ACR, OR SCAR, IT WOULD BE PINPOINT ACCURATE, ALBEIT IT WOULD ONLY BE EFFECTIVE OUT TO RANGES OF 300M ANY FURTHER AND IT WOULD DROP OUT OF THE SKY.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 MY CO2 PISTOL IS DEADLY ACCURATE, IT FIRES 4.7MM PROJECTILES, AT ROUGHLY 400 FPS. BUT U DONT SEE ME CHARGING INTO BATTLE WITH THAT CAUSE ITS ACCURATE. THE 5.56 IS MOST EFFECTIVE FROM A FULL LENGTH BARREL. FIRING FROM CARBINES LOSES ITS ABILITY TO FRAGMENT. THATS WHY THE 6.8 IS THE PERFECT CARBINE ROUND, AND IS JUST AS ACCURATE AS THE 5.56 WITH THE ADDED BENEFIT OF INCREASED STOPPING POWER. IF I SHOT U IN THE LEG DO U THINK U GONNA STOP FIGHTING? DONT THINK SO.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 U ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER IN COMBAT, UR BODY IS DROWNING IN ADRENALINE. U FEEL LESS PAIN, AND SAY ENEMY COMBATANTS ARE HOPPED UP ON PAIN KILLERS SAY LIKE OPIUM OR SOME OF THE OTHER SHIT THAT WAS REPORTED IN THE FIELD FROM SAY PLACES LIKE SOMALIA, WHEN U SHOOT THOSE FUCKERS THEY DONT FEEL THAT SHIT. I STILL DONT GET WHY THEY JUST DONT DROP EM WITH A HEAD SHOT, CENTER OF MASS, AIM CENTER OF MASS. NO, AIM FOR THE HEAD THAT SHOULD SOLVE PROB. U GOT SIGHTS USE EM.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@HUEJOHNSON Because even a 9mm will knock you out. When the 5.56 loses its ability to fragment It tumbles and gets lodged in your body. I don't need to make a straight hole through the person. Nuff said.
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 EH, ANYTHING LESS THAN A .45 IS A WASTE OF AMMO. ACTUALLY THE 5.56 MOVES SO FAST IT GOES RIGHT THROUGH U. BUT LIKE I SAID WHEN IT REACHES SUFFICIENT MUZZLE VELOCITY IT TUMBLES THEN FRAGS. THE ROUNDS SIZE ITSELF DOESNT TRANSFER THAT MUCH ENERGY, MAKIN A TINY HOLE AND A DECENT SIZED EXIT WOUND, WHEN FIRED FROM A CARBINE. STILL LETHAL, BUT FROM A FULL SIZED BARREL, IT WILL TUMBLE AND FRAG CAUSING ALMOST INSTANT LETHALITY. ACCORDING TO THE MANUFACTURES OF COARSE.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
Either way the both hurt
BlackOut5n 1 year ago
I think the 6.8 SPC is a gimmick round. What will it do that a 7.62x39 won't do?
esh325 1 year ago
@esh325 THE 6.8 HAS BETTER RANGE AND LOWER WEIGHT. IT TAKES THE BEST OF BOTH 5.56 AND 7.62X39. RANGE, ACCURACY AND EXCEPTIONAL STOPPING POWER.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@HUEJOHNSON The 6.8 SPC has more drop then the 5.56x45 and does not come even close to its velocity. The 7.62x39 if loaded right nearly has the same velocity of the 6.8 SPC.
esh325 1 year ago
@esh325 THE 7.62X39 PERFORMS POORLY PAST RANGES OF 300M. IT WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR COMBAT IN THAT RANGE. THE 6.8 MAY NOT GO AS FAST AS THE 5.56 AND MAY DROP EARLIER, BUT ONCE IT REACHES ITS TARGET IT TRANSFERS MORE ENERGY THAN THE 5.56. IT COMES DOWN TO MUZZLE VELOCITY. THE 5.56 REACHES THOSE VELOCITIES IN A 20INCH BARREL NOT A CARBINE. FIRED FROM A CARBINE IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT AND THE 6.8 HAS THE RIGHT STUFF IN ALL CATEGORIES. HANDS DOWN.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@HUEJOHNSON The 7.62x39 has never been loaded right, that's why. You load a 110 GR 7.62x39 and i'll bet it'll be coming out of the muzzle nearly as fast as a 6.8 SPC. I don't deny that the 6.8 SPC is more improvement over the 5.56x45, but we should focus on improving rounds like the 7.62x39 that offer similar performance. A 5.56x45 coming out of a 14 inch barrel has 2,900 fts versus a M468 coming out of a 16 inch barrel which has 2650. The 5.56x45 is nearly 250 FPS faster out of a short barrel.
esh325 1 year ago
@esh325 DONT THINK INTERMS OF MUZZLE VELOCITY, THINK IN TERMS OF ENERGY TRANSFER AT TIME OF IMPACT. 7.62X39 - 1500 FT.LBS, 5.56X45 - 1,303 FT.LBS, 6.8 - 1694 FT/LBS. REMEMBER THESE ARE APPROXIMATES. BUT THE 7.62 LIKE I SAID IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR COMBAT AT RANGES OF 300M AFTER THAT THE ROUND ACTUALLY FALLS OUT OF THE SKY. AT CLOSE RANGE NO DOUBT ABOUT IT THE 7.62 WILL DROP U ON UR ASS. BUT RANGED COMBAT YEAH 6.8. ACCURACY, POWER AND WEIGHT, HANDS DOWN, #1.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@HUEJOHNSON I'll give the 6.8 SPC that it does have bit more energy then the 7.62x39. The 6.8 like the 7.62x39 is also a round that it going to be limited in its effectiveness at long range compared to a 7.62x51. A 6.8 spc isn't a good sniping round. Rounds like the 6.5 grendel as arguebally better then either the 7.62x39 or 6.8 spc. It's good from short range to long range.
esh325 1 year ago
@esh325 THE 6.5 IS GENERALLY REGARDED AS A DESIGNATED MARKSMEN ROUND. ITS GOOD FOR SNIPER APPLICATIONS, FOR IT HAS THE TENDINCIES OF MAINTAINING ITS LETHAL ENERGY UP TO GREATER DISTANCE. THE 6.8 IS A GENERAL PURPOSE ROUND, THAT IS GOOD IN EVERY ASPECT, AND CAN ALSO BE USED TO SNIPE. REMEMBER NOT ALL ENGAGMENTS ARE IN FULL AUTO. EACH AND EVERY RIFLE MAN IS A SNIPER. SINGLE SHOT KILLS IS THE NAME OF THE GAME. WITH TODAYS OPTICS IT MAKES IT EVEN MORE LIKELY OF THAT HAPPENING.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@HUEJOHNSON I can't see the 6.8 being a good sniping round. Just look at how 7.62x51 will push a much larger bullet out at a faster speed. In Afghanistan, they already find the 7.62x51 not good enough and are using .300 winchester magnum. Just imagine if they had to deal with 6.8 spc.
esh325 1 year ago
@esh325 AS A STANDARD SNIPING ROUND NO THE 6.8 DOESNT CUT IT FOR REASONS OF RANGE. IT CANT REACH OUT THAT FAR AS REQUIRED BY SNIPERS. OUT TO THOSE RANGES 7.62X51, MAGNUM ROUNDS, AND 50 BMG ARE IDEAL. BUT FOR THE GRUNTS ON THE GROUND THE 6.8 IS THE ROUND OF CHOICE. ITS GENERAL PURPOSE AND CAN BE USED TO HIT TARGETS AT RANGES OF UP TO 600M EFFECTIVLY. REMEMBER EACH RIFLE MAN IS A MARKMEN. SINGLE SHOT AT RANGE, FULL AUTO IN CQB. THATS THE SOP, MY FRIEND.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@esh325 ID DESIGN A RIFLE THAT FIRED 7.62X51, BUT HAD A SIMPLE, YET RUGGED MECHANISIM THAT WOULD DAMPEN THE RECOIL, MAY ADD FEW OUNCES OF WEIGHT, BUT IF U CAN MAKE A LIGHT RIFLE WITH A COUNTER RECOIL MECH IN 7.62X51, IT WOULD BE THE PERFECT WEAPONS PLATFORM. 7.62 AT ALL RANGES IS THE ROUND OF CHOICE, NOW ADD A TUNGSTON OR DP PENETRATOR AT THE TIP AND A HIGH EXPLOSIVE CHARGE BEHIND WITH A DELAYED TIME FUSE AND U GOT THE ULTIMATE PLATFORM. USE FOR CQB,DESIGNATED MARKSMEN WITHOUT ANY CONVERSIONS
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@HUEJOHNSON It's a good idea what you're proposing and it's totally possible, it's just nobody has done it yet. One idea they could do is field 7.62x51's with reduced recoil by making the powder charge and bullet lighter. They could save the more powerful loading for the snipers and machine gunners.
esh325 1 year ago
@esh325 THEY HAVE ALREADY CREATED A RECOIL DAMPENER IN THE KRISS/VECTOR SMG. REDUCING THE POWDER LOAD WOULD NEGATE THE POSITIVE ASPECTS OF THE 7.62X51. WOULD MAKE IT SUBSONIC. THAT WOULD BE A LOGISTICS NIGHTMARE. ALL THESE DIFFRENT LOADINGS. ONE STANDARD 7.62 LOADING IS ALL THAT IS REQUIRED. SNIPERS MAY USE HIGHER LOADS FOR GREATER RANGE. BUT FOR GENERAL PURPOSE ITS SMART TO STANDARDIZE.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@esh325 IF THEY DESIGNED A GUN IN FN P90 CONFIG FIRING 5.56, 6.8, OR 7.62X51 THAT GUN WOULD BE THE SHIT. SMALL, LIGHT, LARGE AMMO CAPACITY, GREAT FOR ALL SITUATIONS. PLUS BEING IN A SEMI BULLPUP DESIGN IT WOULD MEAN FULL RIFLE POWER WITH SHORTEND BARREL. THAT WOULD KICK ASS.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
THE 6.8 IS A BETTER ROUND THAN THE 5.56. JUST LOOK AT THE VIDEO AND ULL SEE THE DIFF IN PERFORMANCE. THE MOST IMPORTANT THINK ABOUT A ROUND IS WHERE U PLACE IT. IF U SHOOTING A GUY IN THE GUTS MAY STOP HIM BUT NOT DROP HIM SO HE KEEPS FIGHTING, IN THE HEART OR THE HEAD HE DROPS LIKE A STONE.. DONT KNOW WHY THEY COMPLAININ BOUT STOPPING POWER ARNT THEY TAKING KILL SHOTS EVERYTIME. IF U WERE SHOT IN THE HEAD WITH EITHER ONE OF THOSE ROUNDS UR DOA. 6.8 WILL MAKE A BIGGER MESS THOUGH. BAHAHA!
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@HUEJOHNSON I don't think its nice when the M855(5.56) fragments inside you body, since its moving at 3200fps. The 6.8 moves at a slower 2,575fps. Its not about caliber, its all about bullet type and velocity. Forget that "future weapons" show.
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 IM NOT BASING MY OPINION ON SOME TV SHOW BUT ACTUAL EXPERIENCE. HAVE U EVER EVEN FIRED A GUN. THE RESON THE 5.56 IS PERFORMING POORLY WITH THE M4 IS BECAUSE THAT ROUND WAS DESIGND TO BE FIRED FROM A FULL LENGTH BARREL. THE SHORTEND CARBINES, CANT GENERATE THE MUZZLE VELOCITY FOR THE ROUND TO TUMBLE AND FRAGMENT IN THE BODY. THE 5.56 MOVE FASTER THAN EVEN THE 7.62, BUT ITS THE ENERGY TRANSFER THATS THE PROBLEM. WITH A LONGER BARREL THE 5.56 TUMBLES AND FRAGS IN THE BODY.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 THE MASS OF THE ROUND ALSO PLAYS AN IMPROTANT FACTOR. WHEN INITIALLY FIELDED THE 5.56 WAS WAY TO LIGHT, LATER ON THE BELGIANS MADE A HEAVIER ROUND WHICH IS THE STANDARD TODAY. THE 6.8 MAY MOVE SLOWER, BUT THE MASS OF THE ROUND IS ABLE TO TRANSFER MORE ENERGY INTO THE TARGET RESULTING IN A SINGLE SHOT KILL. ITS THE KINETIC ENERGY OF THE ROUND THAT KILLS, PLUS THE BLOOD LOSS FROM THE TISSUE IT HAS DESTROYED. THE BIGGER THE ROUND THE MORE ENERGY. 50 CAL / 30 CAL, BIG DIFF.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@HUEJOHNSON Tissue damage? Ever considering getting a jacketed hollowpoint or WP round? Always use the smallest caliber that can perform its job/mission. That allows you to get the greatest accuracy, less recoil, and more capacity with a smaller weapons system.
In the same barrel length, 5.56's terminal velocity is still a constant 1.7x faster and therefore a 5.56 will still be more useful and close quarters. That extra speed is immediately converted to hydrostatic shock upon impact.
frenchfrys12 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 I DONT CONSIDER THOSE ROUNDS. I CONSIDER APHE ROUNDS. WITH THOSE U GET ARMOUR PIERCING AND HIGH EXPLOSIVE IN ONE NEAT PACKAGE. IF THEY FIELDED AMMO LIKE THAT, A LOT OF PROBS WOULD BE SOLVED. UNFORTUNATLY ITS BANNED UNDER THE GENEVA CONVENTION. THE 6.8 IS THE BALANCE BETWEEN 5.56 AND 7.62. THINK BOUT IT. 7.62X51 IS A STANDARD SNIPER/GPMG ROUND. EXTREMELY POWERFUL. THE 6.8 BRIDGES THE GAP WITH POWER, ACCURACY AND WEIGHT PARAMETERS. IN CQB THE 6.8 FAR SURPASSES THE 5.56.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@frenchfrys12 LARGER DIAMETER ROUND WITH A GREATER WEIGHT, MEANS A GREATER ENERGY DUMP INTO THE TARGET. U MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THE 6.8 IS A BB. THAT THING WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO REPLACE THE 5.56. IT EXCELS IN ALL THE ASPECTS IN WHICH THE 5.56 IS CURRENTLY DEPLOYED. IT MAY A SLIGHTLY REDUCED RANGE, BUT A 5.56 AT ITS MAX RANGE LOSES THE MAJORITY OF ITS KINETIC ENERGY. BOTH ARE GOOD PAST 300M, BUT THE CHANCES OF A ONE SHOT KILL ARE INCREASED WITH THE 6.8 OUT TO RANGES UP TO 400-500M.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@SLCsXe Yeah and the 6.8's ballistics start taking it's punch away at roughly 300yds. In Afghanistan the 5.56 has recorded kills at 750yds. I'll stick to my 5.56.
firemanladder12 1 year ago
6.8 is an awesome round no doubt......but the 5.56 will kill you just as dead and anyone can be trained to be effective with it in a very short time.....and like an earlier comment , shot placement is everything
linkin622 1 year ago
What do you think guys Mini-30 or Mini-6.8
Composer1777 1 year ago
5.56 lighter, cheaper, just as capable when used as supresive fire, and we aren't trying to kill our enemies with higher calliber or power, just demorilize them with overall superior military power, and make them want to fly the white flag.
DessertWorm99 1 year ago 2
@DessertWorm99 I'll take the take down power over quantity and cheapness any day. One shot one kill. You can demoralize them all you want. As a Marine I tried to kill everyone that was allowed in our ROE. War sucks for the rest of you. For me it was my job and I loved it. Remember the enemy's white flag is virgins in heaven. I never saw a flag waved. But every asshole has an opinion and most of them stink.
nyquildays 1 year ago
@DessertWorm99 SUPPRESSIVE FIRE HUH, THATS WHAT HAPPEND IN VIETNAM AND THEY ENDED UP TURNING THE M16 FROM FULL AUTO TO 3 ROUND BURST. ITS BEEN ALMOST 10 YEARS NOW. DOES IT LOOK LIKE THE TALIBAN IS SURRENDING. NOT AT ALL. THE LEATHALEST ROUNDS AVAILABLE IS WHAT OUR TROOPS NEED TO GET THE JOB DONE. WHEN THE ENEMY IS ENGAGED AND DEMOLISHED, THE NEXT WAVE OF FIGHTERS GET SCARED SHITLESS CAUSE THEY SEE THEIR COMRADES BEING PILED UP IN HEAPS. WHATS GOOD ON PAPER ISNT NECCESSARILY GOOD IN THE FIELD
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@DessertWorm99 SUPPRESSIVE FIRE HUH, THATS WHAT WE DID IN VIETNAM AND NOW THE M16 WENT FROM FULL AUTO TO 3 ROUND BURST. OUR ENEMIES BELIEVE IN THEIR CAUSE. THE ONLY WAY TO DEFEAT THEM IS TO DESTROY THEM. GIVING OUR TROOPS THE LETHALEST ROUNDS AVAILABLE WILL AID IN THAT CAUSE. JUST BECAUSE THEY RAG TAG DONT MAKE THEM LESS DANGEROUS. THE MOST DEADLIEST WEAPON AVAILABLE IS THE HUMAN BRAIN. REMEBER OUR BOYS BLEED JUST THE SAME AND THEY KNOW IT.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
@HUEJOHNSON "The most deadliest weapon available is the human brain."
So I see you specialize in unarmed combat.
DirectInjected 1 year ago
@DirectInjected I SPECIALIZE IN OPENING CANS OF WHOOP ASS WHEN THE OCCASSION CALLS. HELL, IF I RUN AOUT OF AMMO I STILL GOT MY HANDS. BUT THAT IS THE TRUTH, THE HUMAN BRAIN IS THE DEADLIEST WEAPON WE POSSESS. U CAN GIVE A GUN TO A CHIMP AND HE CAN SHOOT U. OUTTHINKING UR ENEMIES AND THE PRECISE APPLICATION OF FORCE IS WHAT WINS WARS. TAKE THE SOVIET INVASION OF AFGHANISTAN FOR INSTANCE. SURE TH MUJAHADS HAD AMERICAN HELP, BUT THEY BEAT OUT A NUMERICALLY AND TECHNOLOGICALLY SUPERIOR FORCE.
HUEJOHNSON 1 year ago
There really is no comparison with the 6.8 spc and the civilian .223 55gr. The 62gr 5.56 NATO would have been a better comparison between the two. I was wanting a 6.8 upper for a while but decided not to get it. I figured my AKS has the knock down/penetrating power over my AR, plus the ammo is less expensive and easy to come by. I think the 6.8 is a bad ass round but its just not for me.
405Vet 1 year ago
.308 owns both. nuff said.
boonedawg68 1 year ago 2
@boonedawg68 from a killing-power perspective per round, you're 100% correct. However, there are still disadvantages to the 7.62x51(AKA: .308), primarily weight and recoil.
The weight issue applies to both the platforms and the rounds themselves. A person is able to carry much more 5.56 or 6.8 than 7.62. Also, the higher pressures involved require a heavier weapon to utilize the 7.62 round, further decreasing the amount of other supplies you can bring with you.
PingOnThis 1 year ago
you have a 55grain bullet vs a 115 grain bullet. where is the comparison logic in this?
krazyxmonster 1 year ago
Check out the Barrett m468 on future weapons. Jeez. I say that H&K sucks monkey balls because of their crappy rounds.
GreysonREC7 1 year ago
@GreysonREC7 H&K doesnt make rounds dumbass.
robby707aus 1 year ago
@GreysonREC7 a 556 isnt a crappy round?? Our military uses it today. there are dozens of countrys around the world that have the 556 as there standard issued round for their military. ever heard of NATO? or r u just another one of those mw2 kids who thinks they know everything about guns because of a fucking video game? get a life
ZAC2994 1 year ago
holy shit ill make sure i grab 6.8 rounds when the army of evil water bottles and phone books attack :O
dimiii1 1 year ago
Damn, me with my Remington 700-.223 @ 200 yards would just butter through 1/4 steel plate and I could not believe it. Because I don't have the right scope but by chance I have hit target out too 500 yards
texture6 1 year ago
nuff said
MrEhud77 1 year ago
Now show how fast the same guy can run up that berm while he carries a thousand rounds of each caliber.
WinchesterRanger 1 year ago
@WinchesterRanger who carries 1,00 rounds of ammo around with them?
MrEhud77 1 year ago
@MrEhud77 Army and Marine Infantry carry around 250 rounds of ammo
ZAC2994 1 year ago
@ZAC2994 I meant 1,000 not 100...typo, I was responing to a gentleman who asked which would be lighter to carry 1,000 rounds of 5.56 or 6.8, I see a nominal difference and the 6.8 is a better round but typically you aren't going to carry 1,000 rounds on your person
MrEhud77 1 year ago
@MrEhud77 Oh my bad .You're right though, but they'll probably find a way so they can carry the same amount of magazines... as soon as they decrease the price for the 6.8. Jesus christ its expensive dude haha.
ZAC2994 1 year ago
@ZAC2994 what makes you say/ think that the price of the 6.8mm will be coming down in price? I was looking at the price of ammo its like 3X that of the .223 rounds. I got a STG 556 E4 and a new upper 6.8mm is in the works and I thought SWEET until I saw the ammo prices. $20 dollars for 20 rounds SHIT I can get 20 bullets for 6 bucks of the .223 . GAWD I sure hope the prices of the 6.8 come down.
eduardomjan1973 1 year ago
@eduardomjan1973 because no one is gonna spend that much money on their ammo. The makers or produces of the 6.8 spc will see that their not making any profit off of it so they'll eventually decrease the price plus they developed it for military and law enforcement agencies and so far no military branches or units have bought any 6.8 rounds or magazines (that i know of) but ive heard of a couple of LE agencies that have sooo... we will have to see what happens i guess.
ZAC2994 1 year ago
this fight is going on because of enemy combatants not going down after multiple shots. and from experience. A rounds power or kenetic energy has nothing to do with it. ive Seen an Enemy "Special" Grenadier (Fires RPG-7s, Not RPG-7) take and entire Browning M2 .50 Caliber BMG Burst (5-7 Rounds) and Still Try to Fire His RPG At us. Until We All Opened Fire On Him. But That Just Shows That The Round Must Be Designed To Take Out Human-Fleshed Targets. Cause Im sure if a .50 cant, then no 6.8 will.
Marineraider24 1 year ago
Good testing. I wonder if you could do a test that would demonstrate the limits of both rounds and their hydrostatic pressure ranges (ie., 55gr 105yds 2700+fps...)?
I'm really looking into getting a 6.8 upper for a new stripped lower I got and don't want to build out into another boring 5.56. Wish I could get a solid answer on which length is truly optimal with the 1:11 twist..18" or 16" too before I buy. Lots of good opinions on this chambering.
flamengishta 1 year ago
Well that pretty much ends the argument...
Icix1 1 year ago
I've always wondered if 6.8 rounds can be used in a standard STANAG magazine
HeadB0mb 1 year ago
i dont understand the point of this. the 6.8 is over double the size of the 5.56, of course its going to blow up a terrorist jug of water with more force.
chaos311clarity 1 year ago
what about some sandbad test? just a thought...
ww2footage 1 year ago
why dont you use 62 gr or 77 gr...
SpdDemon69 1 year ago
@SpdDemon69 77 grain .223 is sure alot cheaper than the 100 grain of the 6.8
eduardomjan1973 1 year ago
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iammatttt 1 year ago
Damn that new 6.8 mm Rem SPC cartridge is brutal. i looked up the ballistics on it and was pretty impressed but seeing this video of it compared to the 5.56 im just like wow
triggerfingas 1 year ago
6.5 has a higher ballistic coefficient which makes it better for long ranges, wind has less effect on it and it carries energy better. excellent sniper round. the 6.8 blows it away for up close and out to 300 yds. not many people can shoot accurately past that anyways. that is the reason the 6.8 was chosen over the 6.5. I know everybody thinks they can be a sniper and shoot 1,000 yds not so.
jetdr 2 years ago 16
@jetdr
I agree, when sniping you have to take into consideration many variables like wind direction and the angle of depression (if i remember right, correct me if not) to name a few.
a marine that came to talk in our school said that snipers were an elite group... its not as easy as simply quickscoping like many COD kids these days think
DarkRaven008912 1 year ago
Why can't they be a sniper? They are less affected by wind then the .308 or 5.56x45 is.
esh325 1 year ago
@jetdr I shoot 600 yards regularly with a colt hbar and open sights and one day a guy asked if he could try and well, lets just say he's not going to compete anytime soon.
TheMisfit621 1 year ago
@jetdr couldnt have said it better. id perfer 6.5 with a silencer cuz accuracy is more important than power in my opinion. headshots take way less bullets than body shots for kills 2 5.56mm shots to the head is definite kill where as 6 5.56mm shots to the body is just about a definite kill. and with silencer u could take headshots easier becuz they wouldnt know ur there and move less.
GodSpeed1234567890 1 year ago
@GodSpeed1234567890 Stop playing video games , you're not getting a head shot in real life.
Composer1777 1 year ago
@jetdr Are you sure the 6.8 really blows away the 6.5 Grendel at closer distances? The Grendel has less recoil than the 6.8 and allows much better follow-up shooting. The 6.8 goes through car doors, the Grendel goes through car doors. The Grendel bucks the wind and provides reliable precision shooting at 600 yds, which is better than the 5.56, the 6.8, and even the .308. Why we are not seeing more ARs in Grendel, I have no idea.
famousPhotog 1 year ago
I heard stories of dudes releasing fully loaded magazines in the heat of battle but never fired a shot...even though they swore they emptied on a dude.....it's pretty shitty to admit that stuff happens but it does....not saying that accounts for all stories...when a dude is hopped up on drugs even 6.8 can "fail"....
MountainRecluse 2 years ago
There have been stories flowing around the military, and have been in the news of guys taking down insurgents with the 5.56, only to see them get back up later. Its true, the armor piercing capability of the 5.56 is almost unmatched because of the velocity, yet the 6.8 does more serious tissue damage upon entry.
bbsmjerk 2 years ago
That's because dudes MISSED the insurgents. Do you know how many stories of Marines/Soldiers that swear up and down they shot a guy 5 times center-mass at close distance but the baddie just "walked away"? Come to find out later that they either missed completely, never hit them center-mass, or NEVER EVEN FIRED A SINGLE SHOT.....combat stress and "fog of war" can play some nasty tricks in your head....and get you killed....practice, train, practice, train.....
MountainRecluse 2 years ago
Simple way to counter this.
Soft Jacket or non-armor piercing 5.56 ammunition.
Ultimately I do believe the 6.8 SPC is better.
fdofhsaiuhshgiu 1 year ago
and in my humble opinion, getting hit with 62 gr 5.56 is not going to make you feel better....
some of you guys act like its gonna bounce off your chest and tickle.....go to box o truth and check out the test where he shoots at a steel AK mag fully loaded. Blows right through it and out the back no problems. And that was XM193 55gr ball.
MountainRecluse 2 years ago
I fully agree, any round can kill when put in the proper place. but all ammo hurts like hell. I would just prefer to never get shot by any!
jetdr 1 year ago 13
@jetdr very true statement brotha...some ppl prefer the accuracy of smaller rounds and some ppl(like myself) prefer the more lethal amount of damage a bigger round can do...but then again some big rounds are accurate as some small rounds do damage
triggerfingas 1 year ago
Exactly, when have you seen anyone get charged holding a gun becasue it was a
.22. I run from paintballs!
JimmyGunXD556 1 year ago
@jetdr true enough, but the problem in the middle east is your fighting fools who what to die and take you with them.
MrEhud77 1 year ago
@MrEhud77 if they dont want to die then why do they plant ieds and after they're set off they shoot a couple of rounds at us and run away and we never see them again? hmm?
ZAC2994 1 year ago
@ZAC2994 I said they do want to die, unlike europeans.
MrEhud77 1 year ago
as I've said other places...
the 5.56 was and still has the potential of being a revolutionary round. It's light, FAST, and so versatile. Just mess with different grains and you will see baddie going down real quick. If you wanna role heavy than just grab a .308 SA EBR type rifle. The 5.56 is perfect for close, fast paced combat. Or just wait for the Remington ACR and you can shoot 5.56, 6.5, and 6.8 by just switching out barrels and bolts!
MountainRecluse 2 years ago
5.56 is better for longer barrelled rifles. 6.8 is better for SBRs.
fdofhsaiuhshgiu 1 year ago
I can agree with you......but then I would just say why not 7.62x39?.....
MountainRecluse 1 year ago
Because my LWRC M6A2 with a 10.5'' barrel chambered in 6.8 can make contact at 450m. 7.62 x39 cant ever do that.
Granted. I love the Kalashnikov platform.
fdofhsaiuhshgiu 1 year ago 2
The 7.62x39 AK was never DESIGNED to do that. Hence its short sight radius. A true assault rifle/round is meant for targets well within 200m. If I'm going bigger, might as well go all the way. I think you are missing the "assault" concept in my points.
MountainRecluse 1 year ago
I understand what you're getting at, but it's better to have a round, and platform that can perform multiple roles.
Can .338 Lapua engage at 450m? Yes. 5.56, 7.62 x51. A lot of rounds can. I was just saying that I like a round that can do multiple things. Effectively.
fdofhsaiuhshgiu 1 year ago
anyone know if u can load a 5.56 or .223 round in the ruger 6.8spc? heard u can do one of them
cartogropher 2 years ago
Well I consider ANY round entering my chest a "load of shit".....haha
MountainRecluse 2 years ago
Just to put something interesting out there, theres a new 5.56 load Mk 262,
which they say is a lot more lethal than the old round and can fragment at 300m+ supposedly
iammatttt 2 years ago
Read about Mk.318 Mod. 0 5.56x45mm NATO ammunition.
fdofhsaiuhshgiu 1 year ago
mk318.
now thats an improvement! velocity and OTM. wonder how it fairs agaisnt barriers.
iammatttt 1 year ago
I'm still looking into that, I'm impressed so far. :)
fdofhsaiuhshgiu 1 year ago
EXACTLY......5.56 out of a standard 20 in barrel = dead baddies.
5.56 only started getting the bad rap after being shot out of the shorter barrels.
MountainRecluse 2 years ago
I asked an Army Sniper buddy who did tours in Kosovo, Iraq and Afghanistan which weapon he preferred over all. The answer surprised me. An M-16 with good optics. he dropped plenty of baddies with that system.
The 5.56 is effective and does what it was designed to do; provide a high velocity, accurate, light weight, low cost round. It does plenty of damage, legal to hunt deer in most states & have you ever seen a coyote hit at 300 yards? nasty...
that said, love the 6.8 spc, excellent round.
mivicon 2 years ago
Or even a LWRC M6.....now only if I wasn't poor.....
MountainRecluse 2 years ago
I picked up my M6A2 in MRE for $1720 plus $25 for shipping on gunbroker. supposedly they sell em cheaper if you call the store.
L&A firearms is the name
just type lwrc on gunbroker and you'll find them, the gunbroker name is TOOTSIES.
top notch service and I'm an impatient prick
flyhighkev 2 years ago
I love LWRCi's stuff.
fdofhsaiuhshgiu 1 year ago
The 5.56 will mess your day up like any other flying metal projectile. It kills. It's combat proven.
With that said, the 6.8 is a DEFINITE improvement! Would roll with that any day over 5.56. Now just need a Magpul Masada/ACR.....
MountainRecluse 2 years ago
Have you guys ever been shot with a 5.56. Its one hell of a round that would kill you easily.
timeperection 2 years ago
55.6 NATO is the rifles version of a 9mm parabelum. Over rated & under performed.
VinnyS914 2 years ago
ummmm the 6.5 is much better at LONG range than the 6.8. It retains much more velocity and therefore energy. The 6.5 can fires a heavier bullet anyway. A 123 gr is standard versus a 115 gr in the SPC. Ive shot 139 gr Scenars through mine. Beyond 250 yds the Grendel is FAR superior. Oh yeah and im an avid handlosder so the whole factory ammo thing doesnt bother me. I cant remember the last time i bought factory ammo aside from rimfire. I shoot wildcats.
mmasupafan 2 years ago
6.5 is more accurate but 6.8 has better terminal performance
that why they use 6.8 for short barrel ar platforms
RIEKSONE 2 years ago
better terminal performance in what way? Up close it holds a slight edge but the 6.5 is superior downrange. The 6.8 scrubs off velocity too quickly. Neither round is going to be adopted by the military anytime soon but the Grendel has the ability to replace the 5.56 and the 7.62 rounds by packin plenty of killing power at both CQB and long ranges. It's just not gonna happen anytime soon. Both are fine rounds and I own rifles in both. I will agree the 6.8 is better suited to short barreled rifles
mmasupafan 2 years ago
Yeah i sold my 5.56 right after i got my 6.8 SPC. But now i have a 6.5 Grendel. Anybody want to buy a good 6.8?
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