and DESPITE SEVERAL RESOLUTIONS of UN (nr.822,853,884..) CONDEMNING Armenia and urging them to IMMIDIATELY WITHDRAW from territories they invaded, Armenia keeps violating international law and still keeps ilegaly occupying Azerbaycan lands ...which left over 1 million refugees !!
your hysterical spamming and linking to some armenian propaganda sites full of lies and distortions NOT gonna change these facts !
Fact on Armenian agression and atrocities : Armenia ILEGALY occupied 20% of Azerbaycans land in early 1990's and committed unspeakable atrocities on Azeri civilians, and drove them away from their homes
Lie 4 .Turkey made a lot of successfull reforms and its laws are completely compatible with EU legislations and its human rights are up to EU standarts.
EU commissioners acknowledged this and thats why they started ACCESSION talks to EU.
Otherwise they would have refused it. Turkey even recognises individual petition right to European Court of Human Rights,which means, anyone who thinks his rights are violated in Turkey can appeal to ECHR, and ECHRs decisions are binding for Turkey
Lie 3 Topal&tastan HAVE NOT BEEN SENTENCED! U r not only a liar but also retarded.How can someone be prosecuted for converting to christianity when there is not a single law that criminalise converting and Turkish Constitution grants everyone religious freedom?301 has nothing to do with converting anyway,its about insulting people!Even ur link says"The Turkish constitution guarantees freedom of religion to all its citizens and the nation’s legal codes specifically protect missionary activities.
Lie 1: RRagip zarakolu hasnt been arested because of propagating Armenian genocide, hes arrested because aiding terrorsit organisation KCK/Pkk, thats killed tens of tausands of innocent people in the last decades.
Lie 2:There is NO current law that criminalises "insulting turkishness" as i told you before.Its been removed! Yet you keep going on an on telling the same lie.
Robot Spammer, the moment i expose your lies by providing FACTS, but you come up with more LIES and pollute the place even more! make no mistake im not interested in debating or educating you here, for i am well aware of the fact that u r an antiturk Armenian propagandist on a defamation mision against turkish people and attacking every turkish video on the net with gthe same lies and slanders for the sake of your Armenian agenda.
Under these regulations, in Germany, there were 72 cases in 2004, in Italy, there were 21 cases in 2000, 31 cases in 2002, 5 cases in 2003, 28 cases in 2004, in Holland, there were 134 cases in 2004, 146 cases in 2005 and 139 cases in 2006.etc... All the cases mentioned above resulted in conviction. worldlawdirect . com
@voodooo88 IS THAT WHY TURKEY IS RANKED THE TOP (#1) VIOLATOR OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN ALL OF EUROPE & THE CAUCUSES?? I SENT YOU THE LINK. YOU CAN KEEP POINTING FINGERS AT OTHERS OUT OF DESPERATION, BUT TURKEY'S RECORD SHOWS EVERYTHING.
now tell me, in how many of those european countries were people arrested for publishing books about the Armenian Genocide (like Ragip Zarakolu in Turkey) or converting to Christianity (like Hakan Tastan & Turan Topal)?
forgat to add...although it should go without saying as everyone knows that Turkey is a SECULAR countr and always have been that way..Everyone is FREE to convert to christianity or any other religion they like in Turkey , turkish Constitution and laws grant everyone religious freedom. And surely there is noone has ever been "thrown to jail jail for converting to christianity" like the idiot nicked nuneh claims.
nuneh ,i suggest u to see a shrink..ur habit of lying is indeed pathalogic
@voodooo88 i'm sending you proof from even TURKISH NEWS SOURCES and you are telling me that i'm lying??
YOU really need help-- in many forms.
READ THE STORY here or any other source:
Turkish Christians Hakan Tastan & Turan Topal were arrested in October 2006 for converting to Christianity. They are accused of "insulting turkishness" with their conversion under Article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code.
@voodooo88 you were done in the beginning. there's nothing you can say.
it is like you are trying to convince me that a black sheet of paper is actually white just because you like the white color better. you can't do the impossible.
6-Everyone is free to speak their minds about Armenian genocide in turkey and they do. Every kind of armenian propagandist, likes of Taner Akcam who is funded by armenian zoryan institute , freely publishes books tghat propagate Armenian genocide claims, talks on turkish tvs, their books are in all bookstores. But noone is allowed to tell the turkish side of the story in Armenia.Some countries in Europe even penalised voicing turkish side of the story.
5-Nazim Hikmet was a very patriotic Turk, let alone admiting armenian genocide he is even known for his patriotic literary works in Turkey based on turkish Independance War (during the time of that alladged genocide)
The reason he was put to trial before he fled to russia was because he was a communist and was prosecuted because of that (60 years ago), like it was the case for many communists all over western countries at that time.
4-That youtube video, LOL,what a laughable piece of propaganda based on distortion of what those interviewed people say.Ppl in taht vid,Yusuf Hallacoglu, Murat Bardakci, Volkan Vural etc , are ppl who VEHEMENTLY OPOSE Armenian genocide claims,let alone admiting it.LOL.Once again u ve proven that you are masters of deception by taking what they say out of context and presenting it in such a way.None of them ever said there was a armenian genocide.What they r saying is both ppl (ar/tr) suffered
@voodooo88 go and ask Hasan Cemal (the Armenian Genocide organizer's grandson) who is speaking the truth and who is distorting the truth.
i don't understand why you feel you have to lie just because you are turkish.
you can even search "Hasan Cemal UCLA" here on youtube and hear his speech about the Armenian Genocide. He speaks in english... there is no need to translate or "distort".
So u better quit inventing excuses to avoid going to court,Only reason you refuse to take it to an International Court is because u know all your forgeries, falsifications , lies and fabrications will be exposed in front of a competent Court where neutral experts, historians, judges will examimin the case.Its not like spamming the net with anit turk lies and slanders:)Thats why you dont go.3-Human rights in turky are much better than your backwards armenia wich ILEGALLY ocupies Azerbaycan lands
@voodooo88 Here is a TURKISH NEWS SOURCE specifically saying that Turkey is the #1 WORST violator of human rights in all of Europe & the Caucuses (even worst than Russia, even worst than Azerbaijan!)
SOURCE:
Article-- "Turkey leading human rights violator, says European court"
WHEN WAS AZERBAIJAN EVEN CREATED? 1917 (right after the Armenian Genocide)
THE WORLD KNOWS THAT NAGORNO-KARABAGH/ARTSAKH IS ARMENIAN LAND and even Azerbaijan has formally recognized Karabagh as an independent (autonomous) state.
Like I said, MANYYY international powers have sent orders to Azerbaijan so that Artskah/Karabagh can be reunited with Armenia again.
i'll send all the names of the laws in my next comment (no more space)
everyone knows the truth. how can a country created in 1917 be the rightful owners of Armenian land of 2492 BC? it's just shameful that azerbaijan & turkey ignore all laws of humanity to build bigger countries. it's disgusting, actually.
I dont know where to start to correct your blatant lies..ur not even worth responding to..
1-There is no such law as "insulting turkishness" in Turkeys Penal Code , its been changed long ago, and Orhan pamuk aquitted, never been sentenced because of it..And all those european countries do have laws that prohibit "insulting" people , nations ,parliments just like 301, and noone is in jail because of it in Turkey.2-IntCourt of Justice' decisions would b in noway related to US NATO bases in Turkey
I just say wow.I have NEVER read so many ourtragious shameless lies in my life My mistake i wasted time to even respond to a rabidly racist foaming at the mouth anti turk propagandist like youıEVERYTHING you wrote are lies .Seriousely ,arent you ashamed to tell such racist lies that are so easy to expose with a bit of research. You are just shooting yourself on the foot by displaying how dishonest, lying, slandering, unthrustworthy crooks you armenians are!
@voodooo88 WHAT AM I LYING ABOUT??? you can't even point anything out or respond to my questions, so you just insult me personally (without even knowing me).... that's pretty pathetic.
and you couldnt name ANY historian thats put into jail because of 301,because there isnt any, although you'd claimed we put 60 historians to jail for saying there was an armenian genocide.Neither Nazim Hikmet nor Ragip zarakolu are historians, Nazim Hikmet died 50 years ago and his trials had nothing to do with that law, also Ragip Zarakolu never served any jailtime because of 301 or for propagating Armenian genocide. Unlike in Europe, in Turkey everyone is free to speak their minds on that.
@voodooo88 Nazim Hikmet spent many, many years in prison because he wrote about the Armenian Genocide. Censorship is a huge problem in turkey, and you can't even admit that.
Here is some more information about the many journalists and educators who have been locked up in jail for speaking the truth your government can't stand to hear.
Also there is NOT ONE SINGLE massgrave EVER FOUND ! yet we supposed to have killed 2 million people. LOL All those genocie allagations have been investigated by Brits, French ,talians after we lost the war and ALL TURKISH OFFICIALS have aquitted in MALTA Tribunals.
and we inhabited these lands for tausands of years reread what i wrote so far and look up which areas those turkic people inhabited , im not here to educate brannles armenian terrorists who are on a spamming mission on turkish videos.
@nuneh You are the most ridiculous embeccil and the most disgusting liar i ever met. 60 historians in jail?OMG? There is NOT ONE SINGLE HISTORIAN in jail in Turkey because of that law. How can you lie so shemelessly?Oh i forgat , you are armenian!
Prove it liar, NAME all those "60 alledgedly jailed historians" in turkey and show source !!!!!
2 million dead LOL.Whole population of Armenians in Ottoman before 1914 was 1,2 million acording to Armenian delegate!!!
the deserts of Der Zor are filled with Armenian skeletons to this very day!
WATCH "GRANDMA'S TATTOOS" ON YOUTUBE AND OPEN YOUR EYES!
you want one name of a turkish historian locked away for speaking the truth about the Armenian Genocide? Nazim Hickmet spent his life in prison. And today... just one is Ragip Zarakolu!
SHAME ON YOU, TURKEY! you can't handle the truth so you lock historians up!
Shame on you for supporting a terror organisation. YOU've JUST PROVEN THAT YOU ARE A TYPICAL ARMENIAN TERRORIST just like them. ASALA is a Terrorist organisation taht bombed and killed and assasinated innocent people just for being turkish. They killed dozens of turkish diplomats who had nothing to do with waht happened 100 years ago and you are calling them brave people.
@voodooo88 and you've proven that you will pointlessly, and shamelessly talk even though turkey is built on the Armenian skeletons from the Armenian Genocide.
@nuneh Armenian sklettons? ,You mean that pyramid of skletton, which you used to present to the world as "massacred armenian bones, wh,ch turned out to be a PAINTING of a Russian artist called Vassili Vereshchagin ?
@voodooo88 FOOL, turks live on Armenian land today... do you think skeleton would be left out in the middle of the streets from 1915? HOW LOW CAN YOU GET?
check the archives of US, UK, France, Italy, Germany WHO ALL WROTE ABOUT THE GENOCIDE WHEN IT WAS OCCURRING
you're a fool..who is embarrassing himself on youtube.
youtube.com/watch?v=JYP2i8vF7C8
the grandson of the genocide organizer teaches about the Armenian Genocide, and you claim there was no genocide.
@nuneh again ,nuneh ,you make no sense.Your links dont work, and those countries u named were among the ones who put turkish officials to trial in Malta and came to the decision that there is no evidence that a genocide took place.As i told you several times before, if you believe it was, and they have the evidence, why dont you take Turkeys offer and bring it in front of International Court of Justice? You dont. Because you know what happened back then cannot be called "genocide"
who runs the international court? the united nations
who is the super power of the united nations? the united states
what happened when the US was about to pass the federal Armenian Genocide Resolution??
TURKEY IMMEDIATELY SENT THREATS & BLACKMAILs THAT IF PASSED, THE U.S. WOULD NOT LONGER BE ALLOWED TO USE TURKEYS MILITARY BASE (which it uses to access iraq), so now it is on hold.
Another funny thing is that ridiculous "dark-mongol" phrase they keep repeating :)
I mean Armenians and Greeks are DARKER than asians like mongols, koreans, japonese etc..Greeks are heavily mixed with subsaharans/ethiopians for tausands of years(45% e1b1b in southern greece) and dark hairy Armenoids are mixed with midleeasterners ..
Also armenians and Greeks are known to have huge crooked noses and for being hairy.
Asians have cute little noses and are almost hairless.
So , these ridiculous lines hysterically spread by rabidly anti-turk Armenians and Greeks , that Turks are mongols and the ones that look european must be anything but Turk are outragious lies.
Please flag these spamming anti-turk liars who cruise every turkish video on the net to spread their ridiculous lies.
If Turks were mongol, there wouldnt be only 3% mongol blood in turkey now. There would be at least over 50% and we would all resemble mongols
Same thing with Uyghur Turks. Although they are surrounded by the chinese and other mongoloids for tausands of years, They carry almost SAME europid genes as Turkey Turks.
Also 3000 year old caucosoid mummies with blonde hair have been found in Turkic region deep in Asia.
/watch?v=zy329hpwZEQ&feature=related
Also ancient records of the Chinese people used to refer to "Turks" as red haired/green eyed or yellow haired safire eyed in amny places.
OguzTurks Who set up Turkey were a turkic branch that wasnt mixed with asians much,so they had maintained predominant europid elements
Its only natural that some Turkics who moved far eastward and mixed with asians more developed more dominant asian features in Central asia now, but STILL turkics in asia have VERY HIGH amounts of europid genes. R1b very high among them.Look at these Turkic tatar girls in Asia, they dont look any less europid than Turks in Turkey
Turks are turanid and Turanid race is a Eurasian mix with predominantly europid elements and a slight asian influence. And these people do look eurasian , i can see the slight asian influence in them, they have small eyes (unlike big black eyed greeks and armenians) with a very slight slant and high cheekbones.Just like Ataturk who was a pure turk.
Western turks hav'nt mixed by others a lot.The turks who mixed of others so much, have forgotten their turkish identitiy anyway such as some formar people of anatolia (asian part of turkey), hungarians, bulgars, (even russians) etc. When turks came to anatolia last time in 11th century, there were few native people and much turks. Turks didn t mixe of natives a lot. SO TURKS OF TURKEY, OTHER OGHUZ TURKS,SOME TARTARS AND UYGHUR TURKS ARE STILL GENETICALLY VERY SIMILAR.
@nurettinsarul Thats correct, thats what i read from historians specialized in anatolian history. When Turks came to Anatola, anatolia was very scarsely populated ,because of continious wars only few people was in anatolia..and turk migrations to Anatolia was overwhelming and lasted for many centuries.Thats why Anatolia is all-turk and turkish speaking today and genetic makeup doesn't differ much from other Turks left in Central asia, like uyghurs etc. either.
STOP IT! Anatolian Turks are descendants of Anatolian natives and invading Turks. Anatolian Turks are a mixture of more Anatolians and lesser Turks.
Turks before migrating to Anatolia are of Turanid race, which is a mixture between Caucasoid and Mongoloid.
Eastwards, Mongoloid features increases, Westwards, Caucasoid features increases. Turks are a mixture. That is not something peculiar to Anatolia. It is valid for all Turkic world.
@nuneh The skeletons of ancient turks(found in mongolia) are genetically much similar to the turks of turkey. Acording to hyplogroup analysis,all oghuz turks, uygur turks and some tartars are very similar to eachother and related to kazaks and kyrgizes.The turks of turkey mainly come from turkmens (and also kypchaks/kumans). After the last comming of turks to anatolia in 1071, the most of formar anatolians emigrated out. Turks were a lot and didn't mixed of the natives so much.
@nurettinsarul look, NO 1 CAN ARGUE THAT TURKS WERE NATIVE TO ANATOLIA. THEY MIGRATED FROM ASIA
i don't understand why so many turks try sooo desperately to think of themselves as european & white.
p.s.-- when the turks came to anatolia, the natives did not simply pack their bags and leave their home & "emigrate" as you say. if these turks had not mixed with the native armenians, greeks & assyrians,the people in this video would NOT have these caucasian features THAT ASIANS DONT NATURALLY HAVE
@nuneh Are you retarded? Or just repeating the same old Armenian lies just for the sake of your anti-turk agenda Armo !?
Why are you Armenians cruise every video related to Turks and DESPERATELY try to to spread your lies about Turks?
Armenians are all dark ,hairy, big black eyed, black haired, huge nosed people who dont look like any of the Turks in the video. Never seen a light haired or eyed Armenian in my life. But old Turks were red haired green eyed. Same with greeks thyre swarthy
"The Turks emerge from among the Huns in the middle of 5th century.They were living in Liang territory when it began to be overrun by the greater principality of Wei.Preferring to remain under the rule of their own kind,they moved westward into what is now the province of Kansu.This was the territory of kindred Huns,who were called the Rouran.The Turks were a small tribe of only 500 families..."
-Historian John Foster(not Armenian)
how many caucasian looking Huns have u seen, fool?
@nuneh whata retarded question! I havent seen a Hun in my life for i wasnt alive during HUn Empire idiot. Were you? However Chinese records are well kept and they describe "turks" as red haired/green eyed or safire eyed blonde haired in varous reports.
Also There are many turkish tribes like Kipcaks /kumans, Varsaks, Ucok branch of Oguz who are also known to be blonde. <All sources either of eastern or western origin agree that kipcak Turks were blond with light eyes.
why dont the turks who DONT live on land stolen from Armenians and Greeks look caucasian? for example, kazakhstan... why do they still look asian, while the turks of turkey look less asian because of so much forced mixing/genetic robbery??
have you EVERRRR seen a blue eyed asian?
or are you going to claim that turks were not originally asian? lolllll
@nuneh Temper temper hairy raving armo ! Jealousy made you start to rave again.
And you are too retarded to engage in an intelligent debate as you obviousely couldnt even comprehend what s written in my previous message.So, reread it and try to comprehend it this time. If you can't, try lobotomy.
If Turks had anything to do with armenians we would have raven black hair, big black eyes, huge crooked noses and be hairy and ugly like an average armenian . But as you see we dont. Deal with it.
@nuneh Asia was once populated by caucasians too. Old Turks origin go back to alpine/europids , some of them might have mixed with some asians later. But even today there are many Turks in central asia who still carry europid features although they have been living among asian for any tausands of years. Also uygur Turks in china still carry high amounts of R1b, which is a europid hablogroup, although they are surounded by chinese.
there is NO way you can deny the fact that turks were originally asian until they mixed so much with the natives of the land they stole in the caucuses.
it's just pathetic that you all are so ashamed of your asian roots that this video consists of non-turkic characteristics.
turks will never be european or white... you are asian.
@nuneh We are what we are and we look like the ones in this video.
All turk types covered in the video.Turks origin was europid as well, even when they were inhabiting Asia.(Some mixed with asians some didn't) Western turks didnt mix with asians/mongoloids much thats why we maintained our europid looks.
And we have nothing to do with hairy, dark semi-semite Armenians and swarthy semi-negroid Greeks.Mixing with christians was forbidden during Ottoman.And they left with "population exchange".
Armenians and Greeks are white... and have always been caucasian.
Turks didnt become asian by mixing with other asians.... THEY ORIGINALLY EMERGED AMONG THE HUNS. they are ORIGINALLY ASIAN... small eyes, flat noses, short, and dark like true nomad mongols originally were.
p.s. you might want to check this video about how blonde Armenian children were stolen by turkish pashas in order to lighten the turkish bloodline. SHAME ON YOU!
turks have always been jealous of Armenian beauty. go look in your dam library if you know nothing about history.
turkish pashas would BY LAW order that Armenian families turn in their lightest son to your government so that the Pasha could inspect them and then he would be raised as a turk. SHAME ON YOU FOR LYING & SHAME ON YOU FOR TALKING WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE ON THE SUBJECT
HERES YOUR TURK PASHA INSPECTING ARMENIAN BLONDE CHILDREN:
#1) the first miss turkey was ARMENIAN Araksi Cetinyan in 1925 (check the TURKISH newspaper "Hurryiet")
#2) turkish pashas have been stealing Armenian blonde children and raising them as turks so your gene pool could include more blondes. here are images of your turk pasha inspecting the children.... you're quite dumb to think turks (ASIAN) could originally be blonde or have light eyes lolllllll
#1) the first miss turkey was ARMENIAN Araksi Cetinyan in 1925 (check the TURKISH newspaper "Hurryiet")
#2) turkish pashas have been stealing Armenian blonde children and raising them as turks so your gene pool could include more blondes. here are images of your turk pasha inspecting the children. you're quite dumb to think turks (ASIAN) could originally be blonde or have light eyes loll
/watch?v=PmnODOWJUiM
#3) Armenians are the definition of caucasian...do u even know the meaning?
@nuneh You anti-turk Armenian propagandists are too ridiculous." blond Armenian"? HAHAHA gotta be joking :) Thats an oxymoron. Armenians and Greeks are both swarthy hairy people with dark features and black eyes.I've never seen one single blonde Armenian in my life.
If there are few lighter ones among them, they are the result of mixing with Kipcak Turks (who were a blonde turkish tribe) or with Slavs in Cacausus. (This is what historians say not me.
@voodooo88 why are you denying that turks are originally ASIAN?
how many blonde asians have you seen?
NOW ANSWER THIS... HOW MANY BLONDE CAUCASIANS DO YOU KNOW?
Armenians are the original caucasians. no matter how jealous of a turk you are-- you can't deny it. well-- you can, but you'll just sound like a fool.
@nuneh And there were no armenians in harems,.Harems mainly consisted of circassians, turks and balkan origined girls.Because dark,hairy Armenian girls weren't considered atractive.As usual armenians make things up to boost their low self esteem :)
Original turks were europid.Later they mixed with asians and emereged as turanids ,which is a eurasian-mix with perdominantly europid elements 80% ,depending on the degree of mixture with asians.
REALLY? turks think armenians are ugly? then why was turkeys FIRST MISS TURKEY actually ARMENIAN Araksi Cetinyan??? LOLLLL
genocide-museum*am/eng/online_exhibition_2*php
those are pictures of Armenian women rescued by the west from turkish harems! shame on you, you filth
or tell me why so many Turk Pashas decided to marry from the minority population of turkey (ARMENIANS) while millions of turkish wh0res were all over the ottoman empire.
@nuneh Quit spaming retard,how many times do we have to tell u that Asia was also populated by CAUCASIANS tausands of years ago for your UNDERDEVELOPED ARMENIAN BRAIN to comprehend?First turks were evidently caucosoid with green/blue eyes, red/blonde hair.Thats why many Turkics in Asia STILL carry EUROPID genes despite living among asians for tausands years.
ARMENOID RACE from wiki: DARK BROWNor BLACK hair, SWARTHY skin color, large round eyes that were USUALLY BLACK,noses TYPICALLY HOOKED.
@nuneh Idiot, u go back to get some real education. Education obtained at terrorist -ASALA headquarters dont count. "Caucasian" used as a word meaning white/europid also, Not just a geography.And Caucusia was inhabited by Turks for tausands of years. Erivans population was once 80% Turk, whom you massacred /driven from their homes.Khazars,Tatars , Crimeans Turks, schytians,kipchaks were all Turks!(=Caucasia)
Besides thought u armenians claim to be anatolian?now ur claim caucasian?haha!
@voodooo88 and you are proud of your barbarian roots? that you even managed to pollute Yerivan, Armenia in the 1800's?
YOU SAY: " Erivans population was once 80% Turk, whom you massacred /driven from their homes."
FOOLoglu... do you want to explain how those central asian turks got into Armenian land (from 2492 BC) and established that large of a population in native Armenian land? where did the Armenians go? did they just say, here, take our land...??
@nuneh Liarmenian Hairballyan, u r so hillariously stupid that you dont even realise that you're only amusing us by showing your knowledge and IQ level that are tantamount to that of a plants and nauseate us by displaying your typical rabidly-racist hateful armenian nature
I talk about khazars,scythians,crimean tatars,Kipcaks who were turkic people and inhabited caucasia for tausands of years and you reply: "u took our land in 1800's". LOL
@voodooo88 typical turk! cutting and pasting to your advantage. you talk about the date you stole Yerevan (1800s), but refuse to talk about 2492 BC......... WHERE WERE YOU PLAGUED TURKS THEN??????
show me a single map from 2492 BC with turks in the caucuses!!
and of course you won't respond... because you have no response. in turkey, when you foolOGLUs dont have a response, you just either kill or jail people who speak the truth. are you frustrated that you can't hide the truth on youtube? lol
@nuneh I am only frustrated to see that armenoid intelligence hasnt increased much since 2492 BC, as you yet AGAIN failed to comprehend what i wrote..lol. Look up all those turkic people i mentioned n my pervious post , when and where they lived , then come back to tell me we took caucasia only after 1800's, idiot. copy-paste? thats half-retarded robo-spammer armenoids speciality. Not Turks.
We neither kill nor jailing peope for the things they say,thats what armenoid hate mongers do
@voodooo88 ASALA arose to protect Armenians from the centuries of turkish terrorism within the Ottoman Empire.... now you call these brave men terrorists for fighting against the true terrorists?
lollll and what Armenian laws have put historians in jail???? LOLLLLLLLLL
look up the turkish penal code 301---- threating historians liek orhan pamuk, ragip zarakolu, hasan cemal, taner akcam....... SHAME ON YOU, TURKEY!
1-NOONE is in jail because of 301 in Turkey and similar laws in place all over Europe and people DO get sentenced because of those in europe.301 is about insulting , it clearly states critisim doesnt constitute a crime.
2-Armenian lobbies passed laws to SENTENCE people to jailtime for speaking their minds on armenian genocide LIES and respected historians like Bernard Lewis,politicians have even been sentenced which is against free speech (France /Switzerland)
@nuneh there are laws ALL OVER Europe who are almost identicle to 301 of Turkey , and there are many people in Europe who have been sentenced because of it too.
But NOONE is in jail in turkey because of that law.Im done with you, liar.
@voodooo88 LIST THE NAME OF ONE LAW THAT OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE THAT IS EVEN SIMILAR TO TURKEY'S ARTICLE 301!
you government is led by a bunch of criminals who teach todays turks a false history to protect the criminal government that ruled before them and THE WORLD KNOWS IT!
@nuneh Armenian allegations have never been proven in front of a competent tribunal nor a neutral historians commission, and its Armenians who refuse Turkeys offer to let it be examined by them and come to a decision.What the world "knows" is your well organised , heavily funded propaganda thats been going on for a long time.
But its as ordinary people its not our place to give judgement on such a complex issue.So either prove it in front of a court or quit spreading hate propaganda
@voodooo88 who funded all of the nations of the world (DURING THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE) to write about what they saw ottoman turkey doing during that time????
WHO FUNDED THEM TO GO & TAKE PICTURES OF THE GENOCIDE??
why does germany (turkey's ally during WW1 & the genocide) have written accounts of the Armenian Genocide in their national archives during that time???? who funded or lobbied them at that time???
@nuneh Everything i wrote is true nuneh.France, Italy, Poland,Spain, Germany, Austria,Portugal,Denmark, etc.. ALL have similar provisions in their Penal Code. Either you have been the victim of Armenian antiturk brainwashing , or you spread those lies and distortions deliberately.
But hate propaganda and lies wont lead you anywhere. Only honesty and willingness to discuss the problems between the two nations will.Armenians lack both, so im pessimistic on the future of AR-TR relations
@voodooo88 and being a racist won't take you anywhere, but you proudly boast about your anti-armenian position....
you talk about "willingness to discuss" bilateral problems, but you reject everything i say without objectively looking at the subject and understanding that perhaps the world is right and turkey is wrong.
@voodooo88 France, Italy, Poland,Spain, Germany, Austria,Portugal,Denmark DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING LIKE ARTICLE 301 "insulting turkishness" crap where 1 can be sent to jail for converting to Christianity (Tastan&Topal)
the EU has sent turkey several warnings to remove your law, but of course turkey continues with its goal to edit history by shutting people up
name the laws you claim other nations have.U CANT BECAUSE THEY DONT EXIST. thats the reason turkey is ranked the #1 violator of human rights
@nuneh Here they are.Laws that r similar to 301 of Turkish Penal Code that prohibit insulting people,nations,races,parliments etc.(And noone is in jail because of this law in turkey,either pay a small fine or their sentences get postponed.)
But people r being sentenced and serve jailtime because of these laws in Europe
@voodooo88 IS THAT WHY TURKEY IS RANKED THE TOP (#1) VIOLATOR OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN ALL OF EUROPE & THE CAUCUSES?? I SENT YOU THE LINK. YOU CAN KEEP POINTING FINGERS AT OTHERS OUT OF DESPERATION, BUT TURKEY'S RECORD SHOWS EVERYTHING.
@nuneh Articles 23 and 30 of the French Press Law, France Internal Security Law,Article 496,543 of the Spanish Penal Code, Article 90 of the German Penal Code and Articles 123 and 126 , 292 of the Italian criminal Code, Austrian criminal code, Article 248, Portugal Penal Code Article 332,323 324,Polish PenalCode ,denish penal code 110e , dutch penal code 137 etc...contain similar provisions
@voodooo88 IS THAT WHY TURKEY IS RANKED THE TOP (#1) VIOLATOR OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN ALL OF EUROPE & THE CAUCUSES?? I SENT YOU THE LINK. YOU CAN KEEP POINTING FINGERS AT OTHERS OUT OF DESPERATION, BUT TURKEY'S RECORD SHOWS EVERYTHING.
now tell me, in how many of those european countries were people arrested for publishing books about the Armenian Genocide (like Ragip Zarakolu in Turkey) or converting to Christianity (like Hakan Tastan & Turan Topal)?
@voodooo88 IS THAT WHY TURKEY IS RANKED THE TOP (#1) VIOLATOR OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN ALL OF EUROPE & THE CAUCUSES?? I SENT YOU THE LINK. YOU CAN KEEP POINTING FINGERS AT OTHERS OUT OF DESPERATION, BUT TURKEY'S RECORD SHOWS EVERYTHING.
now tell me, in how many of those european countries were people arrested for publishing books about the Armenian Genocide (like Ragip Zarakolu in Turkey) or converting to Christianity (like Hakan Tastan & Turan Topal)?
@nuneh now that you claimed to be "originally" from Caucasus and NOT Anatolia , it means you admit your lies that you were originally native Anatolians and drop your AG lies and claims of land from Turkey! Your Armenia is in Caucasus (built on Turks land) so you should be happy and dont ask for more.Greedy terrorists :)
@nuneh Yes we do thing you Armenians are ugly, inside and out. You are a typical example, repulsive vulgar clown. Do not confuse noble turkish women with cheap armenian women , who flock to Turkey in tens of tausands to walk the streets here , police is tired of expelling them, yet they keep coming back! Shameless ugly, hairy skanks!
Rest you made up, as usual,never heard of a Cetinyan and Turks dont marry hairy ugly armos, quit lying to boost your low self esteem :) You sound pathetic .
REALLY? turks think armenians are ugly? then why was turkeys FIRST MISS TURKEY actually ARMENIAN Araksi Cetinyan??? LOLLLL
genocide-museum*am/eng/online_ exhibition_2*php
those are pictures of Armenian women rescued by the west from turkish harems! shame on you, you filth
or tell me why so many Turk Pashas decided to marry from the minority population of turkey (ARMENIANS) while millions of turkish wh0res were all over the ottoman empire.
@nurettinsarul How do you explain blue eyes and blond hairs? I see a lot in Turkey. Never seen turkish with mongolian aspect. I lived in Turkey, travelled the whole country and come back every year. Rockybrazil1
@rockybrazil1 Turks've appeared by mixing of finno-ugorics and some amerindians. Both Amerindians and finno-ugorics were not mongoloid but some amerindians've evaluated into mongols, koreans and japaneese.Also some amerindians emigrated to america by passing through frozen bering channel and evaluated into red indians. Turkish language became more similar to altaic languages day by day because of common geographia and mix marriages with mongols.
@rockybrazil1 It is very normal for ancient turks to have wavy blonde or light brown hair and blue or green eyes because of their finno-ugoric roots.Since black hair and other mongoloid features are dominant, they turned to more asian day by day.For example Proto kyrgises and kazaks were white as the other turks at the beginning.It is written in some historical sources, kyrgizes were white and wavy red-haired only in 6th century.By the way,there are still a lot of non-dark haired turks now.
@rockybrazil1 Western turks hav'nt mixed by others as you think.The turks who mixed of others so much, have forgatten their turkish idEntitiy anyway such as some formar people of anatolia (asian part of turkey), hungarians, bulgars, (even russians) etc. When turks came to anatolia last time in 11th century, there were few native people and much turks. Turks didn t mixe of natives a lot. SO TURKS OF TURKEY, OTHER OGHUZ TURKS,SOME TARTARS AND UYGHUR TURKS ARE STILL GENETICALLY VERY SIMILAR.
@nurettinsarul When mongols invaded Anatolia, whole Seldjukian population was killed by them. There was a small turkish kingdoom, in Bursa|: the Ottomans. Only then, the Ottomans started to conquest Anatolia. As Anatolia had become empty, sultans started to bring people from the conquested lands to populate Anatolia. Was the beginning from the mixage. Learn more about Seldjukians History and Konya. Rockybrazil1
@ThePortakalos there's absolutely nothing wrong with being central asian. i just think people should know why they look the way they look and embrace it with that in mind.
by the way, i have never heard of the "turuk" race but would like to learn more. i know turuk is in old turkish, and is similar to modern turkish "Türemek" (to originate, arise...) i looked online and there was nothing about such a race. :\
why do you turks get mad when the fact is presented?
the only reason some turks look like the ones in this video is because you have mixed with other ethnic groups. any reasonable person who knows anything about genealogy can tell that the people in the video are NOT representative of turkish genes.
don't be insulted by facts... it's just unbiased facts. everyone should be proud of THEIR ethnic group...
@nuneh 50% of the world are descendents of mongoloids. It's a race that covers all of eastern asia and the americas. Also, the Mongol empire conquered nearly the whole world, middle east, russia, India, China and eastern Europe, (keep in mind they liked to have sex with women). And since people migrate or move to other countries, it only increases the extent of mongoloid blood. What makes you think Mongoloid blood isn't in every country in the world? or inside your veins either???
The Mongol Empire started in Central Asia, with the unification of Mongol and Turkic tribes.
The Mongol Empire did not conquer nearly the entire world (like you say). most of asia, some european cities,persia&modern day "turkey" DOES NOT EQUATE MOST OF THE WORLD
also, why are you being so defensive? EVEN THOUGH i AM NOT OF MONGOLOID BLOOD, i never said that prior to this comment. i merely stated the fact that turks ARE descendants of mongols and that they should not take offense.
@dachicagoan 50% of the world are NOT DESCENDENTS OF MONGOLOIDS.
ALL turkic people are a mix of Caucasoid and Mongoloid origin. Some have more mongol blood than others (kasakhs), but its a fact that turks are descendants of mongols
ALSO,understand that even though some cities were conquered by the mongol empire, it DOESNT mean that theyre descendants of mongols
The USA has ruled puerto rico for a long time. That doesnt mean that theyre America's descendants. Theyre still of Puerto Rican blood
Turks and mongolians are cousins but Turks are not a mixture.You are ignoring the Turanid people, some Turanids(not all) mixed with mongolians, that's true, but Turanids and Mongolians are not same race.We dont get mad to hear that we like Mongolians and Koreans and Japanese as well, we are also related with them.But Turks are a different nation.
@zzeynepp18 i know turks are now a part of a different nation, but look at all of the ignorant turks who become frustrated when the truth is spoken. you don't need to look far to see this... look at the top comment on this video. there's even a video on the right side called "TURKISH PEOPLE ARE NOT MONGOLS PART 2!!"
Yes, it is because only a low number of Turks mixed with mongolians, thats why both Mongolians and Turks dont like to be generalized. We respect and love eachother but Mongolians wanna be Mongolian and Turks wanna be Turks.We call them cousin nation.Turks have always been a different nation, they have never been a part of other nations,so did mongolians.And dont pay attention ignorant comments, there are ignorant people in every nation.regards
@zzeynepp18 All the Turkic peoples native to Central Asia (turkey) are of mixed of Caucasoid and Mongoloid origin. As i said earlier, some like Kasakhs are more mongoloid than caucasoid, but all turkic people are descendants of mongoloids. Regards.
you accept the term mongloid and caucasoid but you dont accept the term 'turanid', thats the problem.All scientists know Turanoids.Turanids are as old as mongloids an caucasians.Anchient Turanids were not related to mongloids, just some of them mixed with mongloids.Today's Turks are more than %70-80Turanids.Not all but some of them %10-15 mongloid and caucasian.In asia you can see Turanids they are not look like asian or mongolian and caucasian. They look different from all.
@zzeynepp18 turanids are a hybrid of Europid & Mongoloid. as i said, all turkic people are descendants of mongoloids at some degree or another. the ones in central asia tend to have more caucasoid because they have interbred with their neighbors (georgia, armenia, iran, kurd...) But if you want to see what turkish is, kazakhs tend to be the most representative.
Turanoids are not hybrids,you can ignore thousand years of Turk mytology, shaman believes, gods, goddeses, all turkic languages,Turkic alphabet,scripts,symbols anchient names,all Turkic people, all Tripes, all hundreds of empires established by Turanoids, sorry but that doesn't change the fact, history and science don't lie.There is a reality which was accepted by both Mongolians and Turks and all Asians and all educated people.This is not sth you can decide by yourself.
@zzeynepp18 it is believed by nearly all scholars that turanids are a mix of mongoloid & europid. i just don't see why you turks REFUSE to believe that you are descendants of mongols (whether through turanid or mongol directly). it's believed that turks emerged from huns. you seem to think that turks existed before the mongoloid race. that's DEFINITELY impossible.
No,we dont say we're older than Mongloids,but we're as old as them.By the way scholars don't say something like that, they accept the 'Turk' term,and use 'Turk' term instead of Mongloid.Not only Turanoid but also Mongolians dont accept that.And you must respect that,what will you get if they accep to be mongoloid or not.This is just our bussiness.I am a blonde gren eye girl,but even if I have %1 Turanoid dna, I call myself Turk.Being mixed with europeans doesnt mean anything for us also
@zzeynepp18 again, you mixing two very different kinds of terms. (turkic & mongoloid are not in the same category).
you say:
"what will you get if they accep to be mongoloid or not.This is just our bussiness.I am a blonde gren eye girl,but even if I have %1 Turanoid dna, I call myself Turk.Being mixed with europeans doesnt mean anything for us also"
i'm showing u where turks have come from. if turks refuse to accept their asian roots, it's nothing to me. they live an ignorant life. Regards.
Thanks for showing our origins to us:D I suggest you should search your origins instead of Turks.It is more complicated.Scholars dont say mongloid,they say asian haplogroups,maybe mongolians are hybrid with chinese and Turks,you cannot be sure of that.And dont worry about us, we know who we are and we are proud of our asian Turanoid origin and love our great Mongolian cousins.Being asian has always been much more proudful for us compared to be european.Dont worry, regards
@zzeynepp18 thanks for your suggestion, but when you see videos of an aryan group who show videos of mongols as representing their group... that is where such suggestions should be directed :]
I dont spend time in aryan videos,aryans are aryans we dont pay attention.They have their own culture, and they can believe whatever they are, it is not my bussiness i can just respect that.There are too many things to search in Turanid history and myths, I prefer to search them instead of others.Thanks for the conversation,have a nice day
@zzeynepp18 are you really proud of your asian roots?
Japanese, Koreans, Mongolians, Chinese, and (original, unmixed) Turks are more genetically alike than the european traits shown in this video. Why don't you show what real turks look like instead of showing pictures of models who are a result of breeding with aryans?
These people call themselves' Turk' and come to Turkey and see with your own eyes, you can see these people on streets, even the new generation, university students are much more beautiful than these models.These models are just ordinary Turks.You say we are mongoloid but when we put our pictures you get mad.You accepted that Turks and aryans nothing in common,we are proud of our Asian brothers and today's modern Turks.We are not aryan,european or arab,we are TURKS.
@zzeynepp18 hahaha mad? come on. i know where i come from and why i look the way i look. it's just this identity crisis of turkic people that i'm pointing out-- how very few of you admit that you are of asian origin AND think that the people in this video represent turkic genes.
think what you wish to think-- i, on the other hand, don't think ignorance is any fun or healthy.
Turks don have any idinty crisis, it is just you searching our origins, we know where we came from but you dont.You are as mixed as Turks with indians,persians and semitics and mongolians.Maybe you have much more mongloid dna but you dont want to think about it,this is your problem.You said aryans mixed with Turks, and now you are ignoring that.At least we know our roots and dont deny it.We Turkic nations still wanna get united although this hybrid crab:D
And also you want us to accept and be proud of our asiatic roots, but now you say Turks are like european.Aryans are not like these people ,everyone in this earth can understand that, they are dark skinned people, it is hardly see a blonde colored eye aryan,these people are not aryan, even if they are they call themselves 'turk', as you suggested they dont forget their asian roots, so whats the matter?
@zzeynepp18 woah, no no no. i have never said that turkic genes are like europeans genes. what i said is that the traits shown in this video (light skin, light eyes...) are NOT asian traits. they are caucasian traits.... and the only reason why some turks look like this are ONLY BECAUSE they have mixed with their neighboring countries (georgia, armenia, iran, kurd...) So, titling a video "the Turks" and showing european traits doesnt exactly show your asian pride.
Not only because of that,some tribes of Turks for ex.kipchaks used to be blonde before they come to Turkey, and asians have much more light skin than armenians,kurds,persians.Watch '300spartans' please,you will understand what I mean.You can hardly see a %100 asiatic face in Turkey.But all of us even we have %1 Turk dna,we can call ourself Turk.Should we deny our appearence? or should we dny our roots? You said we shouldnt , so you must not get mad.
@zzeynepp18 kimchaks? the only tiny trace of kimchaks that can be found today is in the geogian-turkish border... AND U KNOW WHY? because like i said, few turks have these lighter features because of the bordering countries its mixed with
& guess what happened to the kimchaks? they were taken over by mongols. yes, thats the same group u claim makes only a small percentage of turkish blood, yet ur now claiming the kimchaks explain why the light features of these models represent turkic genes
it is not kimchak it is 'kıpchak',and kipchaks is just an example not only kipchaks, there are a lot of blonde tribes like kipchaks, Atatürk was also kipchak Türk,he is not like mongloid.And about mongolians,how can you be so sure that you dont have mongolian dna, Turks were good at defending themselves everyone knows that, you must concern about your dna i guess.
@zzeynepp18 "You can hardly see a %100 asiatic face in Turkey.But all of us even we have %1 Turk dna,we can call ourself Turk.Should we deny our appearence? or should we dny our roots?"
^^ as i said earlier, it is not me thats living an ignorant life. 1% turkic/asian genes & 99% european genes (like most people of this video) doesnt give u a turkish look. u can call urself aliens for all i care hahaa, my point still stands: these genes ARE NOT turkic genes,despite what u wish 2 identify urself
you seem like an obsessive person, very narrow minded , and racist and hatred. Your kind cannot undurstand what we mean, if you wanna search something you should search 'why these european looking Turks hate to be called european,armenian,greek or kurd, and why they are so proud of being Turk' you must ask yourself that, we are sure about our roots and our great history , respect or dont respect,it is your concern that doesnt change anything,dont be so obsessive about Turks.
@zzeynepp18 and you seem like a rude, ignorant person who defines narrowmindedness
are u not the one who said "even if we have 1% turk blood, we call ourselves turkish"?
like i said, u can call urselves aliens for all i care. what i am establishing is the fact that the genes represented in this video DO NOT represent original turkic genes.
and ironically, that group of people you are so vehemently trying to disassociate yourself with is the same group that gave you these non-asiatic features.
These video represents a branch of Turkic nations which is called Turkey.Not all Turks are like eachother,if we wanna show Turkmens we put Turkmen videos.But this one is about Turkey Turks, it is very clear.And these people also have at least %70-80 Turanoid dna, so they can call themselves 'Turks'.And russia is also in asia continent but they dont look asian too.Turanoids have different types,blondes,brunnetes,mongloids,reds..thats not important for us, we are all Turan
@zzeynepp18 this video is called "the Turks" not "what Turks of Turkey look like after mixing with caucasian neighors"
either way, you should stop my calling out the truth as hate. i have many asian friends here in the united states and they are great people, but for some reason many turks act as if being asian is inferior to being european.
wait wait ,how did you get the idea that Turks are insulting asians?What Ive been talking for hours? It is impossible, we love asians more than europeans and arabs.I am aso a big fan of far east countries,I am searching Asian myths,turkish myths also,I adore asians.And we Turks are proud of being asian originated people.In turkey if you say someone mongolian they dont care but if you call them greek they get mad.We are always proud of that but you are trying to insult Turks and Asians
this is not to insult them,they also know that they are related to us but they know we are not completely same.And you said turks are the hybrid of caucasians and mongolians,if you think turk means that it means turkey is %100Turk.And also the middle asian Turks are not like mongloids that much.We are different looking people in dif. branches,many of us dont look like them,but we love them as well.Many mongolian racist also dont like turks,we cannot generelize all mongolians and turks.
@zzeynepp18 i know turks are not completely of mongol descent. they are a mix of caucasoid & mongoloid. some have more mongoloid than others. the ones in turkey have mixed with their caucasian neighbors (greeks, armenians, kurds, iranians) so they have more caucasoid than mongoloid, but turkic blood has mongoloid nonetheless.
If we put asian Turkic photos you will say Turks are not like that,if we put Turkish photos you will say real Turks are not like that.And there are too many videos also about other Turkic nations,you can see them there,we write good comments there,our identity is very clear, but you dont wanna understand this,because you are very far away to respect other nations,the more you do that the more we will get united.
@zzeynepp18 no, if you put asian looking turks, ONLY AN UNEDUCATED PERSON WILL SAY TURKS DONT LOOK LIKE THAT.
what my comment said is that these people DO NOT REPRESENT ORIGINAL TURKIC GENES. i've been to turkey. i know that there are some people who look like this who live in turkey, but to think that this is turkic genes is wrong.
as i said, don't be insulted by facts... it's just unbiased facts. everyone should be proud of THEIR roots and understand why they look the way they look.
If you say so I respect but in the beginning of our conversation you said Turks musn't forget asian roots and be proud of that.It is exacly what we do, to represent a whole Turanoid nation is almost impossible,every Turkic country represents theirselves,doing this doesnt mean we are generelazing all Turkics,Today Chuvash Turks are almost completely blond,they can put their photos too.and our Turanoid blood,our history,our language,our mythology connects eachother not only with dna.
@zzeynepp18 see i like that you are able to say that your history & dna connect you with chuvash (predominantly christian) turks. why can't that be accepted with regard to non turks who can contributed to your beauty? it just seems like turks want to claim that these looks ARE NATIVE to turkic genes without mixing with its armenian, georgian, kurdish, and iranian neighbors. but you and i both know that the majority of turks did NOT orginally look like this.
why?do you think asians are not beautiful?sorry but i think Both Turks and other Asians'are more beautiful than armenian,georgian,iranian and kurdish people.Non of them're like us,we look like mongolians more them we're like them.And yes we owe our beauty to our asian dna's.because we're not dark skinned people as persians,kurds and armenians.you say we must accept our asian roots but then you began to say aryans again.Majority are not like that,true but Turkish Turks are like that.
@zzeynepp18 what? who said i dont find asians beautiful. this is from my comment:
"i have many asian friends here in the united states and they are great people, but for some reason many turks act as if being asian is inferior to being european."
@zzeynepp18 "sorry but i think Both Turks and other Asians'are more beautiful than armenian,georgian,iranian and kurdish people."
^^ well that is your opinion and you're free to think that, but if other turks thought that way, the models of this video would not represent traits turkey's turks have derived from mixing with those same groups you mentioned. there would be more original turkic & asian genes shown in the video. but like i said, you are free to have your preferences.
@zzeynepp18 also, if you see any dark skinned armenians,kurds, greeks, its likely due to mixing with turks because armenians, kurds, and greeks are caucasian. you can argue against that however you'd like, but facts remain facts.
if you'd like, you can even check my picture. i have light brown hair with dark green eyes and really light skin = ARMENIAN. :]
come on asian originated people have lighter skinned people than all armenians,kurds and persians.Everyone knows that,you are not dark skinned because of us,I know too many armenain and kurds I have never seen one light skinned one,you are light skinned because you must be hybrid with caucasian dna.Why do you deny the 'Indo' part of your originsIt doesnt represent the armenians you know that.And I told you in the video the miss globe is %100asiatic face look at the video carefully pls.
and DESPITE SEVERAL RESOLUTIONS of UN (nr.822,853,884..) CONDEMNING Armenia and urging them to IMMIDIATELY WITHDRAW from territories they invaded, Armenia keeps violating international law and still keeps ilegaly occupying Azerbaycan lands ...which left over 1 million refugees !!
your hysterical spamming and linking to some armenian propaganda sites full of lies and distortions NOT gonna change these facts !
voodooo88 1 month ago
Fact on Armenian agression and atrocities : Armenia ILEGALY occupied 20% of Azerbaycans land in early 1990's and committed unspeakable atrocities on Azeri civilians, and drove them away from their homes
/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=uPx7kl05hP0
khojaly.org
voodooo88 1 month ago
Lie 4 .Turkey made a lot of successfull reforms and its laws are completely compatible with EU legislations and its human rights are up to EU standarts.
EU commissioners acknowledged this and thats why they started ACCESSION talks to EU.
Otherwise they would have refused it. Turkey even recognises individual petition right to European Court of Human Rights,which means, anyone who thinks his rights are violated in Turkey can appeal to ECHR, and ECHRs decisions are binding for Turkey
voodooo88 1 month ago
Lie 3 Topal&tastan HAVE NOT BEEN SENTENCED! U r not only a liar but also retarded.How can someone be prosecuted for converting to christianity when there is not a single law that criminalise converting and Turkish Constitution grants everyone religious freedom?301 has nothing to do with converting anyway,its about insulting people!Even ur link says"The Turkish constitution guarantees freedom of religion to all its citizens and the nation’s legal codes specifically protect missionary activities.
voodooo88 1 month ago
Lie 1: RRagip zarakolu hasnt been arested because of propagating Armenian genocide, hes arrested because aiding terrorsit organisation KCK/Pkk, thats killed tens of tausands of innocent people in the last decades.
Lie 2:There is NO current law that criminalises "insulting turkishness" as i told you before.Its been removed! Yet you keep going on an on telling the same lie.
voodooo88 1 month ago
Robot Spammer, the moment i expose your lies by providing FACTS, but you come up with more LIES and pollute the place even more! make no mistake im not interested in debating or educating you here, for i am well aware of the fact that u r an antiturk Armenian propagandist on a defamation mision against turkish people and attacking every turkish video on the net with gthe same lies and slanders for the sake of your Armenian agenda.
voodooo88 1 month ago
Under these regulations, in Germany, there were 72 cases in 2004, in Italy, there were 21 cases in 2000, 31 cases in 2002, 5 cases in 2003, 28 cases in 2004, in Holland, there were 134 cases in 2004, 146 cases in 2005 and 139 cases in 2006.etc... All the cases mentioned above resulted in conviction. worldlawdirect . com
voodooo88 1 month ago
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@voodooo88 IS THAT WHY TURKEY IS RANKED THE TOP (#1) VIOLATOR OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN ALL OF EUROPE & THE CAUCUSES?? I SENT YOU THE LINK. YOU CAN KEEP POINTING FINGERS AT OTHERS OUT OF DESPERATION, BUT TURKEY'S RECORD SHOWS EVERYTHING.
now tell me, in how many of those european countries were people arrested for publishing books about the Armenian Genocide (like Ragip Zarakolu in Turkey) or converting to Christianity (like Hakan Tastan & Turan Topal)?
nuneh 1 month ago
forgat to add...although it should go without saying as everyone knows that Turkey is a SECULAR countr and always have been that way..Everyone is FREE to convert to christianity or any other religion they like in Turkey , turkish Constitution and laws grant everyone religious freedom. And surely there is noone has ever been "thrown to jail jail for converting to christianity" like the idiot nicked nuneh claims.
nuneh ,i suggest u to see a shrink..ur habit of lying is indeed pathalogic
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 i'm sending you proof from even TURKISH NEWS SOURCES and you are telling me that i'm lying??
YOU really need help-- in many forms.
READ THE STORY here or any other source:
Turkish Christians Hakan Tastan & Turan Topal were arrested in October 2006 for converting to Christianity. They are accused of "insulting turkishness" with their conversion under Article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code.
compassdirect*org/english/country/turkey/10625
ANY QUESTIONS HERE???????
nuneh 1 month ago
Anyway , im done with you. You are not worth replying
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 you were done in the beginning. there's nothing you can say.
it is like you are trying to convince me that a black sheet of paper is actually white just because you like the white color better. you can't do the impossible.
nuneh 1 month ago
6-Everyone is free to speak their minds about Armenian genocide in turkey and they do. Every kind of armenian propagandist, likes of Taner Akcam who is funded by armenian zoryan institute , freely publishes books tghat propagate Armenian genocide claims, talks on turkish tvs, their books are in all bookstores. But noone is allowed to tell the turkish side of the story in Armenia.Some countries in Europe even penalised voicing turkish side of the story.
You are the undemocratic fascist ones!
voodooo88 1 month ago
5-Nazim Hikmet was a very patriotic Turk, let alone admiting armenian genocide he is even known for his patriotic literary works in Turkey based on turkish Independance War (during the time of that alladged genocide)
The reason he was put to trial before he fled to russia was because he was a communist and was prosecuted because of that (60 years ago), like it was the case for many communists all over western countries at that time.
Once again you are not ashamed to lie !!!!
Im speechless!!!
voodooo88 1 month ago
4-That youtube video, LOL,what a laughable piece of propaganda based on distortion of what those interviewed people say.Ppl in taht vid,Yusuf Hallacoglu, Murat Bardakci, Volkan Vural etc , are ppl who VEHEMENTLY OPOSE Armenian genocide claims,let alone admiting it.LOL.Once again u ve proven that you are masters of deception by taking what they say out of context and presenting it in such a way.None of them ever said there was a armenian genocide.What they r saying is both ppl (ar/tr) suffered
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 go and ask Hasan Cemal (the Armenian Genocide organizer's grandson) who is speaking the truth and who is distorting the truth.
i don't understand why you feel you have to lie just because you are turkish.
you can even search "Hasan Cemal UCLA" here on youtube and hear his speech about the Armenian Genocide. He speaks in english... there is no need to translate or "distort".
nuneh 1 month ago
So u better quit inventing excuses to avoid going to court,Only reason you refuse to take it to an International Court is because u know all your forgeries, falsifications , lies and fabrications will be exposed in front of a competent Court where neutral experts, historians, judges will examimin the case.Its not like spamming the net with anit turk lies and slanders:)Thats why you dont go.3-Human rights in turky are much better than your backwards armenia wich ILEGALLY ocupies Azerbaycan lands
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 Here is a TURKISH NEWS SOURCE specifically saying that Turkey is the #1 WORST violator of human rights in all of Europe & the Caucuses (even worst than Russia, even worst than Azerbaijan!)
SOURCE:
Article-- "Turkey leading human rights violator, says European court"
Source-- Hürriyet TURKISH Daily News
Date-- 1/29/2010
ANY QUESTIONS????????? now who is the liar?
nuneh 1 month ago
@voodooo88 illegally occupying Azerbaijan's land??
WHEN WAS AZERBAIJAN EVEN CREATED? 1917 (right after the Armenian Genocide)
THE WORLD KNOWS THAT NAGORNO-KARABAGH/ARTSAKH IS ARMENIAN LAND and even Azerbaijan has formally recognized Karabagh as an independent (autonomous) state.
Like I said, MANYYY international powers have sent orders to Azerbaijan so that Artskah/Karabagh can be reunited with Armenia again.
i'll send all the names of the laws in my next comment (no more space)
nuneh 1 month ago
@voodooo88 EUROPEAN LEGISLATION DEMANDING RIGHTFUL REUNIFICATION OF ARTAKH/KARABAGH WITH ARMENIA:
resolution b3-0049/93
resolution b3-0155/92
joint resolutions b3-0747, 0754, 0767, 0781, 0795, 0816, 0824, and 0827/91
resolution b3-0473/91
everyone knows the truth. how can a country created in 1917 be the rightful owners of Armenian land of 2492 BC? it's just shameful that azerbaijan & turkey ignore all laws of humanity to build bigger countries. it's disgusting, actually.
nuneh 1 month ago
I dont know where to start to correct your blatant lies..ur not even worth responding to..
1-There is no such law as "insulting turkishness" in Turkeys Penal Code , its been changed long ago, and Orhan pamuk aquitted, never been sentenced because of it..And all those european countries do have laws that prohibit "insulting" people , nations ,parliments just like 301, and noone is in jail because of it in Turkey.2-IntCourt of Justice' decisions would b in noway related to US NATO bases in Turkey
voodooo88 1 month ago
I just say wow.I have NEVER read so many ourtragious shameless lies in my life My mistake i wasted time to even respond to a rabidly racist foaming at the mouth anti turk propagandist like youıEVERYTHING you wrote are lies .Seriousely ,arent you ashamed to tell such racist lies that are so easy to expose with a bit of research. You are just shooting yourself on the foot by displaying how dishonest, lying, slandering, unthrustworthy crooks you armenians are!
SHAME ON YOUI!
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 WHAT AM I LYING ABOUT??? you can't even point anything out or respond to my questions, so you just insult me personally (without even knowing me).... that's pretty pathetic.
nuneh 1 month ago
and you couldnt name ANY historian thats put into jail because of 301,because there isnt any, although you'd claimed we put 60 historians to jail for saying there was an armenian genocide.Neither Nazim Hikmet nor Ragip zarakolu are historians, Nazim Hikmet died 50 years ago and his trials had nothing to do with that law, also Ragip Zarakolu never served any jailtime because of 301 or for propagating Armenian genocide. Unlike in Europe, in Turkey everyone is free to speak their minds on that.
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 Nazim Hikmet spent many, many years in prison because he wrote about the Armenian Genocide. Censorship is a huge problem in turkey, and you can't even admit that.
Here is some more information about the many journalists and educators who have been locked up in jail for speaking the truth your government can't stand to hear.
time*com/time/world/article/0,8599,2057424,00*html
oh.... and nobel prize winner Orhan Pamuk. why was he charged under article 301?
nuneh 1 month ago
Also there is NOT ONE SINGLE massgrave EVER FOUND ! yet we supposed to have killed 2 million people. LOL All those genocie allagations have been investigated by Brits, French ,talians after we lost the war and ALL TURKISH OFFICIALS have aquitted in MALTA Tribunals.
GET LOST Pinochio !
No wander everyone calls you LIARMANIANS.
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 you're a fool... who is embarrassing himself on youtube.
youtube.com/watch?v=JYP2i8vF7C8
the grandson of the genocide organizer teaches about the Armenian Genocide, and you claim there was no genocide.
THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THE TRUTH!
nuneh 1 month ago
and we inhabited these lands for tausands of years reread what i wrote so far and look up which areas those turkic people inhabited , im not here to educate brannles armenian terrorists who are on a spamming mission on turkish videos.
Get lost
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88
educate yourself... then try to talk to educated people.
nearly every turk (at least the ones who are not in jail) are all brainwashed by their government. how naive can one be?
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh You are the most ridiculous embeccil and the most disgusting liar i ever met. 60 historians in jail?OMG? There is NOT ONE SINGLE HISTORIAN in jail in Turkey because of that law. How can you lie so shemelessly?Oh i forgat , you are armenian!
Prove it liar, NAME all those "60 alledgedly jailed historians" in turkey and show source !!!!!
2 million dead LOL.Whole population of Armenians in Ottoman before 1914 was 1,2 million acording to Armenian delegate!!!
Shameless liar!
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88
the deserts of Der Zor are filled with Armenian skeletons to this very day!
WATCH "GRANDMA'S TATTOOS" ON YOUTUBE AND OPEN YOUR EYES!
you want one name of a turkish historian locked away for speaking the truth about the Armenian Genocide? Nazim Hickmet spent his life in prison. And today... just one is Ragip Zarakolu!
SHAME ON YOU, TURKEY! you can't handle the truth so you lock historians up!
nuneh 1 month ago
List of Innocent people Armenian-ASALA terrorists murdered
/watch?v=wMVPPbRJDfU
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88
i'd send you a list of the near 2 million dead Armenians, but i'm afraid it will not fit in one comment.
SHAME ON YOU, TURK.
nuneh 1 month ago
Shame on you for supporting a terror organisation. YOU've JUST PROVEN THAT YOU ARE A TYPICAL ARMENIAN TERRORIST just like them. ASALA is a Terrorist organisation taht bombed and killed and assasinated innocent people just for being turkish. They killed dozens of turkish diplomats who had nothing to do with waht happened 100 years ago and you are calling them brave people.
Typical lying, slandering, rabidly racist hatefilled rmenian terrorist.
Thats what you are, nothing more nothing less.
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 and you've proven that you will pointlessly, and shamelessly talk even though turkey is built on the Armenian skeletons from the Armenian Genocide.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Armenian sklettons? ,You mean that pyramid of skletton, which you used to present to the world as "massacred armenian bones, wh,ch turned out to be a PAINTING of a Russian artist called Vassili Vereshchagin ?
hahaaha
Armenian Pinpochioan!
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 FOOL, turks live on Armenian land today... do you think skeleton would be left out in the middle of the streets from 1915? HOW LOW CAN YOU GET?
check the archives of US, UK, France, Italy, Germany WHO ALL WROTE ABOUT THE GENOCIDE WHEN IT WAS OCCURRING
you're a fool..who is embarrassing himself on youtube.
youtube.com/watch?v=JYP2i8vF7C8
the grandson of the genocide organizer teaches about the Armenian Genocide, and you claim there was no genocide.
THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THE TRUTH!
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh again ,nuneh ,you make no sense.Your links dont work, and those countries u named were among the ones who put turkish officials to trial in Malta and came to the decision that there is no evidence that a genocide took place.As i told you several times before, if you believe it was, and they have the evidence, why dont you take Turkeys offer and bring it in front of International Court of Justice? You dont. Because you know what happened back then cannot be called "genocide"
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88
TRY THIS AND LET ME KNOW IF IT WORKS:
watch?v=JYP2i8vF7C8
nuneh 1 month ago
@voodooo88 you want to read about the Malta trials?
assets*cambridge*org/052178/2627/sample/0521782627WS.pdf
(make sure there are no spaces when you copy & paste)
nuneh 1 month ago
@voodooo88
who runs the international court? the united nations
who is the super power of the united nations? the united states
what happened when the US was about to pass the federal Armenian Genocide Resolution??
TURKEY IMMEDIATELY SENT THREATS & BLACKMAILs THAT IF PASSED, THE U.S. WOULD NOT LONGER BE ALLOWED TO USE TURKEYS MILITARY BASE (which it uses to access iraq), so now it is on hold.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE U.N. WILL RULE????
nuneh 1 month ago
If you hate Turks so much GET THE HELL OUTA TURKISH VIDEOS armenoid creeps!
voodooo88 1 month ago
Another funny thing is that ridiculous "dark-mongol" phrase they keep repeating :)
I mean Armenians and Greeks are DARKER than asians like mongols, koreans, japonese etc..Greeks are heavily mixed with subsaharans/ethiopians for tausands of years(45% e1b1b in southern greece) and dark hairy Armenoids are mixed with midleeasterners ..
Also armenians and Greeks are known to have huge crooked noses and for being hairy.
Asians have cute little noses and are almost hairless.
voodooo88 1 month ago
So , these ridiculous lines hysterically spread by rabidly anti-turk Armenians and Greeks , that Turks are mongols and the ones that look european must be anything but Turk are outragious lies.
Please flag these spamming anti-turk liars who cruise every turkish video on the net to spread their ridiculous lies.
If Turks were mongol, there wouldnt be only 3% mongol blood in turkey now. There would be at least over 50% and we would all resemble mongols
voodooo88 1 month ago
Same thing with Uyghur Turks. Although they are surrounded by the chinese and other mongoloids for tausands of years, They carry almost SAME europid genes as Turkey Turks.
Also 3000 year old caucosoid mummies with blonde hair have been found in Turkic region deep in Asia.
/watch?v=zy329hpwZEQ&feature=related
Also ancient records of the Chinese people used to refer to "Turks" as red haired/green eyed or yellow haired safire eyed in amny places.
voodooo88 1 month ago
OguzTurks Who set up Turkey were a turkic branch that wasnt mixed with asians much,so they had maintained predominant europid elements
Its only natural that some Turkics who moved far eastward and mixed with asians more developed more dominant asian features in Central asia now, but STILL turkics in asia have VERY HIGH amounts of europid genes. R1b very high among them.Look at these Turkic tatar girls in Asia, they dont look any less europid than Turks in Turkey
/watch?v=XjUH3uvkppA
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voodooo88 1 month ago
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voodooo88 1 month ago
Turks are turanid and Turanid race is a Eurasian mix with predominantly europid elements and a slight asian influence. And these people do look eurasian , i can see the slight asian influence in them, they have small eyes (unlike big black eyed greeks and armenians) with a very slight slant and high cheekbones.Just like Ataturk who was a pure turk.
So they look typical Turk.
voodooo88 2 months ago
dogs of europe
dumbyanddolly 2 months ago
Western turks hav'nt mixed by others a lot.The turks who mixed of others so much, have forgotten their turkish identitiy anyway such as some formar people of anatolia (asian part of turkey), hungarians, bulgars, (even russians) etc. When turks came to anatolia last time in 11th century, there were few native people and much turks. Turks didn t mixe of natives a lot. SO TURKS OF TURKEY, OTHER OGHUZ TURKS,SOME TARTARS AND UYGHUR TURKS ARE STILL GENETICALLY VERY SIMILAR.
nurettinsarul 4 months ago
@nurettinsarul Thats correct, thats what i read from historians specialized in anatolian history. When Turks came to Anatola, anatolia was very scarsely populated ,because of continious wars only few people was in anatolia..and turk migrations to Anatolia was overwhelming and lasted for many centuries.Thats why Anatolia is all-turk and turkish speaking today and genetic makeup doesn't differ much from other Turks left in Central asia, like uyghurs etc. either.
voodooo88 2 months ago
No, Turkish people isn't ugly. I know Turkey better than Brazil and, as everywhere in the world, you can find any kind of people. Rockybrazil1
rockybrazil1 4 months ago
TURKS SUCK LARGE PENIS
335ipower11 4 months ago
STOP IT! Anatolian Turks are descendants of Anatolian natives and invading Turks. Anatolian Turks are a mixture of more Anatolians and lesser Turks.
Turks before migrating to Anatolia are of Turanid race, which is a mixture between Caucasoid and Mongoloid.
Eastwards, Mongoloid features increases, Westwards, Caucasoid features increases. Turks are a mixture. That is not something peculiar to Anatolia. It is valid for all Turkic world.
Nadhikku2 4 months ago
@Nadhikku2 anatolian turks are descendants of anatolian natives?
do you know who the anatolian natives are? --- assyrians, armenians, and greeks.
turks came from asia.... ASIA IS NOT ANATOLIA.
get your facts straight and know where you came from.
nuneh 4 months ago
@nuneh The skeletons of ancient turks(found in mongolia) are genetically much similar to the turks of turkey. Acording to hyplogroup analysis,all oghuz turks, uygur turks and some tartars are very similar to eachother and related to kazaks and kyrgizes.The turks of turkey mainly come from turkmens (and also kypchaks/kumans). After the last comming of turks to anatolia in 1071, the most of formar anatolians emigrated out. Turks were a lot and didn't mixed of the natives so much.
nurettinsarul 4 months ago 2
@nurettinsarul look, NO 1 CAN ARGUE THAT TURKS WERE NATIVE TO ANATOLIA. THEY MIGRATED FROM ASIA
i don't understand why so many turks try sooo desperately to think of themselves as european & white.
p.s.-- when the turks came to anatolia, the natives did not simply pack their bags and leave their home & "emigrate" as you say. if these turks had not mixed with the native armenians, greeks & assyrians,the people in this video would NOT have these caucasian features THAT ASIANS DONT NATURALLY HAVE
nuneh 4 months ago
@nuneh Are you retarded? Or just repeating the same old Armenian lies just for the sake of your anti-turk agenda Armo !?
Why are you Armenians cruise every video related to Turks and DESPERATELY try to to spread your lies about Turks?
Armenians are all dark ,hairy, big black eyed, black haired, huge nosed people who dont look like any of the Turks in the video. Never seen a light haired or eyed Armenian in my life. But old Turks were red haired green eyed. Same with greeks thyre swarthy
voodooo88 2 months ago
@voodooo88
"The Turks emerge from among the Huns in the middle of 5th century.They were living in Liang territory when it began to be overrun by the greater principality of Wei.Preferring to remain under the rule of their own kind,they moved westward into what is now the province of Kansu.This was the territory of kindred Huns,who were called the Rouran.The Turks were a small tribe of only 500 families..."
-Historian John Foster(not Armenian)
how many caucasian looking Huns have u seen, fool?
nuneh 2 months ago
@nuneh whata retarded question! I havent seen a Hun in my life for i wasnt alive during HUn Empire idiot. Were you? However Chinese records are well kept and they describe "turks" as red haired/green eyed or safire eyed blonde haired in varous reports.
Also There are many turkish tribes like Kipcaks /kumans, Varsaks, Ucok branch of Oguz who are also known to be blonde. <All sources either of eastern or western origin agree that kipcak Turks were blond with light eyes.
voodooo88 2 months ago
@voodooo88
why dont the turks who DONT live on land stolen from Armenians and Greeks look caucasian? for example, kazakhstan... why do they still look asian, while the turks of turkey look less asian because of so much forced mixing/genetic robbery??
have you EVERRRR seen a blue eyed asian?
or are you going to claim that turks were not originally asian? lolllll
nuneh 2 months ago
@nuneh Temper temper hairy raving armo ! Jealousy made you start to rave again.
And you are too retarded to engage in an intelligent debate as you obviousely couldnt even comprehend what s written in my previous message.So, reread it and try to comprehend it this time. If you can't, try lobotomy.
If Turks had anything to do with armenians we would have raven black hair, big black eyes, huge crooked noses and be hairy and ugly like an average armenian . But as you see we dont. Deal with it.
voodooo88 2 months ago
@nuneh Asia was once populated by caucasians too. Old Turks origin go back to alpine/europids , some of them might have mixed with some asians later. But even today there are many Turks in central asia who still carry europid features although they have been living among asian for any tausands of years. Also uygur Turks in china still carry high amounts of R1b, which is a europid hablogroup, although they are surounded by chinese.
voodooo88 2 months ago
@voodooo88
there is NO way you can deny the fact that turks were originally asian until they mixed so much with the natives of the land they stole in the caucuses.
it's just pathetic that you all are so ashamed of your asian roots that this video consists of non-turkic characteristics.
turks will never be european or white... you are asian.
nuneh 2 months ago
@nuneh We are what we are and we look like the ones in this video.
All turk types covered in the video.Turks origin was europid as well, even when they were inhabiting Asia.(Some mixed with asians some didn't) Western turks didnt mix with asians/mongoloids much thats why we maintained our europid looks.
And we have nothing to do with hairy, dark semi-semite Armenians and swarthy semi-negroid Greeks.Mixing with christians was forbidden during Ottoman.And they left with "population exchange".
voodooo88 2 months ago
@voodooo88 dark semi-semite?
Armenians and Greeks are white... and have always been caucasian.
Turks didnt become asian by mixing with other asians.... THEY ORIGINALLY EMERGED AMONG THE HUNS. they are ORIGINALLY ASIAN... small eyes, flat noses, short, and dark like true nomad mongols originally were.
p.s. you might want to check this video about how blonde Armenian children were stolen by turkish pashas in order to lighten the turkish bloodline. SHAME ON YOU!
youtube*com/watch?v=PmnODOWJUiM
nuneh 1 month ago
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voodooo88 1 month ago
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@voodooo88
turks have always been jealous of Armenian beauty. go look in your dam library if you know nothing about history.
turkish pashas would BY LAW order that Armenian families turn in their lightest son to your government so that the Pasha could inspect them and then he would be raised as a turk. SHAME ON YOU FOR LYING & SHAME ON YOU FOR TALKING WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEDGE ON THE SUBJECT
HERES YOUR TURK PASHA INSPECTING ARMENIAN BLONDE CHILDREN:
/watch?v=PmnODOWJUiM
nuneh 1 month ago
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voodooo88 1 month ago
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@voodooo88
#1) the first miss turkey was ARMENIAN Araksi Cetinyan in 1925 (check the TURKISH newspaper "Hurryiet")
#2) turkish pashas have been stealing Armenian blonde children and raising them as turks so your gene pool could include more blondes. here are images of your turk pasha inspecting the children.... you're quite dumb to think turks (ASIAN) could originally be blonde or have light eyes lolllllll
/watch?v=PmnODOWJUiM
nuneh 1 month ago
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voodooo88 1 month ago
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@voodooo88
#1) the first miss turkey was ARMENIAN Araksi Cetinyan in 1925 (check the TURKISH newspaper "Hurryiet")
#2) turkish pashas have been stealing Armenian blonde children and raising them as turks so your gene pool could include more blondes. here are images of your turk pasha inspecting the children. you're quite dumb to think turks (ASIAN) could originally be blonde or have light eyes loll
/watch?v=PmnODOWJUiM
#3) Armenians are the definition of caucasian...do u even know the meaning?
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh You anti-turk Armenian propagandists are too ridiculous." blond Armenian"? HAHAHA gotta be joking :) Thats an oxymoron. Armenians and Greeks are both swarthy hairy people with dark features and black eyes.I've never seen one single blonde Armenian in my life.
If there are few lighter ones among them, they are the result of mixing with Kipcak Turks (who were a blonde turkish tribe) or with Slavs in Cacausus. (This is what historians say not me.
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 why are you denying that turks are originally ASIAN?
how many blonde asians have you seen?
NOW ANSWER THIS... HOW MANY BLONDE CAUCASIANS DO YOU KNOW?
Armenians are the original caucasians. no matter how jealous of a turk you are-- you can't deny it. well-- you can, but you'll just sound like a fool.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh And there were no armenians in harems,.Harems mainly consisted of circassians, turks and balkan origined girls.Because dark,hairy Armenian girls weren't considered atractive.As usual armenians make things up to boost their low self esteem :)
Original turks were europid.Later they mixed with asians and emereged as turanids ,which is a eurasian-mix with perdominantly europid elements 80% ,depending on the degree of mixture with asians.
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88
REALLY? turks think armenians are ugly? then why was turkeys FIRST MISS TURKEY actually ARMENIAN Araksi Cetinyan??? LOLLLL
genocide-museum*am/eng/online_exhibition_2*php
those are pictures of Armenian women rescued by the west from turkish harems! shame on you, you filth
or tell me why so many Turk Pashas decided to marry from the minority population of turkey (ARMENIANS) while millions of turkish wh0res were all over the ottoman empire.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Quit spaming retard,how many times do we have to tell u that Asia was also populated by CAUCASIANS tausands of years ago for your UNDERDEVELOPED ARMENIAN BRAIN to comprehend?First turks were evidently caucosoid with green/blue eyes, red/blonde hair.Thats why many Turkics in Asia STILL carry EUROPID genes despite living among asians for tausands years.
ARMENOID RACE from wiki: DARK BROWNor BLACK hair, SWARTHY skin color, large round eyes that were USUALLY BLACK,noses TYPICALLY HOOKED.
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 looks like you continue to use words without knowing what these words mean...
someone CAUCASIAN comes from the CAUCUSES... not asia, dumbass.
ARMENIANS ARE THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF THE CAUCUSES.
graduate from elementary school first, then come back and start commenting on youtube. thanks.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Idiot, u go back to get some real education. Education obtained at terrorist -ASALA headquarters dont count. "Caucasian" used as a word meaning white/europid also, Not just a geography.And Caucusia was inhabited by Turks for tausands of years. Erivans population was once 80% Turk, whom you massacred /driven from their homes.Khazars,Tatars , Crimeans Turks, schytians,kipchaks were all Turks!(=Caucasia)
Besides thought u armenians claim to be anatolian?now ur claim caucasian?haha!
voodooo88 1 month ago
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voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 and you are proud of your barbarian roots? that you even managed to pollute Yerivan, Armenia in the 1800's?
YOU SAY: " Erivans population was once 80% Turk, whom you massacred /driven from their homes."
FOOLoglu... do you want to explain how those central asian turks got into Armenian land (from 2492 BC) and established that large of a population in native Armenian land? where did the Armenians go? did they just say, here, take our land...??
you turks are ridiculously stupid
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Liarmenian Hairballyan, u r so hillariously stupid that you dont even realise that you're only amusing us by showing your knowledge and IQ level that are tantamount to that of a plants and nauseate us by displaying your typical rabidly-racist hateful armenian nature
I talk about khazars,scythians,crimean tatars,Kipcaks who were turkic people and inhabited caucasia for tausands of years and you reply: "u took our land in 1800's". LOL
Get lost stupid clown.Ur not worth responding
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 typical turk! cutting and pasting to your advantage. you talk about the date you stole Yerevan (1800s), but refuse to talk about 2492 BC......... WHERE WERE YOU PLAGUED TURKS THEN??????
show me a single map from 2492 BC with turks in the caucuses!!
and of course you won't respond... because you have no response. in turkey, when you foolOGLUs dont have a response, you just either kill or jail people who speak the truth. are you frustrated that you can't hide the truth on youtube? lol
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh I am only frustrated to see that armenoid intelligence hasnt increased much since 2492 BC, as you yet AGAIN failed to comprehend what i wrote..lol. Look up all those turkic people i mentioned n my pervious post , when and where they lived , then come back to tell me we took caucasia only after 1800's, idiot. copy-paste? thats half-retarded robo-spammer armenoids speciality. Not Turks.
We neither kill nor jailing peope for the things they say,thats what armenoid hate mongers do
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 like i said, to be the rightful owners of land--- you have to have to at least lived on that land right?
show me ANYYYYYY map of your choice showing turkish presence anywhere on Armenian land or anywhere in Greece.
you can't even do that, so you keep running around in circles, while sending empty insults. lol. it's actually entertaining.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh on KILLING people:Keyword (Armenian terrorist organisation) ASALA!
On JAILING people for speaking their minds :Look up laws Armenian lobbies passed to JAIL historians who expose armenian lobbies genocide lies
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 ASALA arose to protect Armenians from the centuries of turkish terrorism within the Ottoman Empire.... now you call these brave men terrorists for fighting against the true terrorists?
lollll and what Armenian laws have put historians in jail???? LOLLLLLLLLL
look up the turkish penal code 301---- threating historians liek orhan pamuk, ragip zarakolu, hasan cemal, taner akcam....... SHAME ON YOU, TURKEY!
nuneh 1 month ago
1-NOONE is in jail because of 301 in Turkey and similar laws in place all over Europe and people DO get sentenced because of those in europe.301 is about insulting , it clearly states critisim doesnt constitute a crime.
2-Armenian lobbies passed laws to SENTENCE people to jailtime for speaking their minds on armenian genocide LIES and respected historians like Bernard Lewis,politicians have even been sentenced which is against free speech (France /Switzerland)
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 THERE IS NOTHING LIKE ARTICLE 301 OF TURKEY'S B.S. LAW.
and you claim no one in jail for this law and speaking about hte Armenian Genocide?
THERE ARE OVER 60 HISTORIANS LOCKED WAY IN TURKISH JAIL FOR SPEAKING THE TRUTH!
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh there are laws ALL OVER Europe who are almost identicle to 301 of Turkey , and there are many people in Europe who have been sentenced because of it too.
But NOONE is in jail in turkey because of that law.Im done with you, liar.
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 LIST THE NAME OF ONE LAW THAT OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE THAT IS EVEN SIMILAR TO TURKEY'S ARTICLE 301!
you government is led by a bunch of criminals who teach todays turks a false history to protect the criminal government that ruled before them and THE WORLD KNOWS IT!
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Armenian allegations have never been proven in front of a competent tribunal nor a neutral historians commission, and its Armenians who refuse Turkeys offer to let it be examined by them and come to a decision.What the world "knows" is your well organised , heavily funded propaganda thats been going on for a long time.
But its as ordinary people its not our place to give judgement on such a complex issue.So either prove it in front of a court or quit spreading hate propaganda
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 who funded all of the nations of the world (DURING THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE) to write about what they saw ottoman turkey doing during that time????
WHO FUNDED THEM TO GO & TAKE PICTURES OF THE GENOCIDE??
why does germany (turkey's ally during WW1 & the genocide) have written accounts of the Armenian Genocide in their national archives during that time???? who funded or lobbied them at that time???
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Everything i wrote is true nuneh.France, Italy, Poland,Spain, Germany, Austria,Portugal,Denmark, etc.. ALL have similar provisions in their Penal Code. Either you have been the victim of Armenian antiturk brainwashing , or you spread those lies and distortions deliberately.
But hate propaganda and lies wont lead you anywhere. Only honesty and willingness to discuss the problems between the two nations will.Armenians lack both, so im pessimistic on the future of AR-TR relations
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 and being a racist won't take you anywhere, but you proudly boast about your anti-armenian position....
you talk about "willingness to discuss" bilateral problems, but you reject everything i say without objectively looking at the subject and understanding that perhaps the world is right and turkey is wrong.
what are the odds?
nuneh 1 month ago
@voodooo88 France, Italy, Poland,Spain, Germany, Austria,Portugal,Denmark DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING LIKE ARTICLE 301 "insulting turkishness" crap where 1 can be sent to jail for converting to Christianity (Tastan&Topal)
the EU has sent turkey several warnings to remove your law, but of course turkey continues with its goal to edit history by shutting people up
name the laws you claim other nations have.U CANT BECAUSE THEY DONT EXIST. thats the reason turkey is ranked the #1 violator of human rights
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Here they are.Laws that r similar to 301 of Turkish Penal Code that prohibit insulting people,nations,races,parliments etc.(And noone is in jail because of this law in turkey,either pay a small fine or their sentences get postponed.)
But people r being sentenced and serve jailtime because of these laws in Europe
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 IS THAT WHY TURKEY IS RANKED THE TOP (#1) VIOLATOR OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN ALL OF EUROPE & THE CAUCUSES?? I SENT YOU THE LINK. YOU CAN KEEP POINTING FINGERS AT OTHERS OUT OF DESPERATION, BUT TURKEY'S RECORD SHOWS EVERYTHING.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nuneh Articles 23 and 30 of the French Press Law, France Internal Security Law,Article 496,543 of the Spanish Penal Code, Article 90 of the German Penal Code and Articles 123 and 126 , 292 of the Italian criminal Code, Austrian criminal code, Article 248, Portugal Penal Code Article 332,323 324,Polish PenalCode ,denish penal code 110e , dutch penal code 137 etc...contain similar provisions
voodooo88 1 month ago
@voodooo88 IS THAT WHY TURKEY IS RANKED THE TOP (#1) VIOLATOR OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN ALL OF EUROPE & THE CAUCUSES?? I SENT YOU THE LINK. YOU CAN KEEP POINTING FINGERS AT OTHERS OUT OF DESPERATION, BUT TURKEY'S RECORD SHOWS EVERYTHING.
now tell me, in how many of those european countries were people arrested for publishing books about the Armenian Genocide (like Ragip Zarakolu in Turkey) or converting to Christianity (like Hakan Tastan & Turan Topal)?
nuneh 1 month ago
@voodooo88 IS THAT WHY TURKEY IS RANKED THE TOP (#1) VIOLATOR OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN ALL OF EUROPE & THE CAUCUSES?? I SENT YOU THE LINK. YOU CAN KEEP POINTING FINGERS AT OTHERS OUT OF DESPERATION, BUT TURKEY'S RECORD SHOWS EVERYTHING.
now tell me, in how many of those european countries were people arrested for publishing books about the Armenian Genocide (like Ragip Zarakolu in Turkey) or converting to Christianity (like Hakan Tastan & Turan Topal)?
nuneh 1 month ago
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@nuneh now that you claimed to be "originally" from Caucasus and NOT Anatolia , it means you admit your lies that you were originally native Anatolians and drop your AG lies and claims of land from Turkey! Your Armenia is in Caucasus (built on Turks land) so you should be happy and dont ask for more.Greedy terrorists :)
voodooo88 1 month ago
@nuneh Yes we do thing you Armenians are ugly, inside and out. You are a typical example, repulsive vulgar clown. Do not confuse noble turkish women with cheap armenian women , who flock to Turkey in tens of tausands to walk the streets here , police is tired of expelling them, yet they keep coming back! Shameless ugly, hairy skanks!
Rest you made up, as usual,never heard of a Cetinyan and Turks dont marry hairy ugly armos, quit lying to boost your low self esteem :) You sound pathetic .
voodooo88 1 month ago
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@voodooo88 YOU DIDNT KNOW? WELL NOW YOU DO:
REALLY? turks think armenians are ugly? then why was turkeys FIRST MISS TURKEY actually ARMENIAN Araksi Cetinyan??? LOLLLL
genocide-museum*am/eng/online_ exhibition_2*php
those are pictures of Armenian women rescued by the west from turkish harems! shame on you, you filth
or tell me why so many Turk Pashas decided to marry from the minority population of turkey (ARMENIANS) while millions of turkish wh0res were all over the ottoman empire.
nuneh 1 month ago
@nurettinsarul How do you explain blue eyes and blond hairs? I see a lot in Turkey. Never seen turkish with mongolian aspect. I lived in Turkey, travelled the whole country and come back every year. Rockybrazil1
rockybrazil1 4 months ago
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@rockybrazil1 Turks've appeared by mixing of finno-ugorics and some amerindians. Both Amerindians and finno-ugorics were not mongoloid but some amerindians've evaluated into mongols, koreans and japaneese.Also some amerindians emigrated to america by passing through frozen bering channel and evaluated into red indians. Turkish language became more similar to altaic languages day by day because of common geographia and mix marriages with mongols.
nurettinsarul 4 months ago 2
@rockybrazil1 It is very normal for ancient turks to have wavy blonde or light brown hair and blue or green eyes because of their finno-ugoric roots.Since black hair and other mongoloid features are dominant, they turned to more asian day by day.For example Proto kyrgises and kazaks were white as the other turks at the beginning.It is written in some historical sources, kyrgizes were white and wavy red-haired only in 6th century.By the way,there are still a lot of non-dark haired turks now.
nurettinsarul 4 months ago 2
@nurettinsarul You are spot on !
voodooo88 2 months ago
@rockybrazil1 Western turks hav'nt mixed by others as you think.The turks who mixed of others so much, have forgatten their turkish idEntitiy anyway such as some formar people of anatolia (asian part of turkey), hungarians, bulgars, (even russians) etc. When turks came to anatolia last time in 11th century, there were few native people and much turks. Turks didn t mixe of natives a lot. SO TURKS OF TURKEY, OTHER OGHUZ TURKS,SOME TARTARS AND UYGHUR TURKS ARE STILL GENETICALLY VERY SIMILAR.
nurettinsarul 4 months ago 2
@nurettinsarul When mongols invaded Anatolia, whole Seldjukian population was killed by them. There was a small turkish kingdoom, in Bursa|: the Ottomans. Only then, the Ottomans started to conquest Anatolia. As Anatolia had become empty, sultans started to bring people from the conquested lands to populate Anatolia. Was the beginning from the mixage. Learn more about Seldjukians History and Konya. Rockybrazil1
rockybrazil1 4 months ago
@ThePortakalos there's absolutely nothing wrong with being central asian. i just think people should know why they look the way they look and embrace it with that in mind.
by the way, i have never heard of the "turuk" race but would like to learn more. i know turuk is in old turkish, and is similar to modern turkish "Türemek" (to originate, arise...) i looked online and there was nothing about such a race. :\
nuneh 5 months ago
0:36 its dastan!
shamiun2 6 months ago
turks ARE ethnic descendants of mongols.
why do you turks get mad when the fact is presented?
the only reason some turks look like the ones in this video is because you have mixed with other ethnic groups. any reasonable person who knows anything about genealogy can tell that the people in the video are NOT representative of turkish genes.
don't be insulted by facts... it's just unbiased facts. everyone should be proud of THEIR ethnic group...
nuneh 6 months ago 7
@nuneh 50% of the world are descendents of mongoloids. It's a race that covers all of eastern asia and the americas. Also, the Mongol empire conquered nearly the whole world, middle east, russia, India, China and eastern Europe, (keep in mind they liked to have sex with women). And since people migrate or move to other countries, it only increases the extent of mongoloid blood. What makes you think Mongoloid blood isn't in every country in the world? or inside your veins either???
dachicagoan 6 months ago
@dachicagoan
The Mongol Empire started in Central Asia, with the unification of Mongol and Turkic tribes.
The Mongol Empire did not conquer nearly the entire world (like you say). most of asia, some european cities,persia&modern day "turkey" DOES NOT EQUATE MOST OF THE WORLD
also, why are you being so defensive? EVEN THOUGH i AM NOT OF MONGOLOID BLOOD, i never said that prior to this comment. i merely stated the fact that turks ARE descendants of mongols and that they should not take offense.
nuneh 6 months ago
@dachicagoan 50% of the world are NOT DESCENDENTS OF MONGOLOIDS.
ALL turkic people are a mix of Caucasoid and Mongoloid origin. Some have more mongol blood than others (kasakhs), but its a fact that turks are descendants of mongols
ALSO,understand that even though some cities were conquered by the mongol empire, it DOESNT mean that theyre descendants of mongols
The USA has ruled puerto rico for a long time. That doesnt mean that theyre America's descendants. Theyre still of Puerto Rican blood
nuneh 6 months ago
@nuneh
Turks and mongolians are cousins but Turks are not a mixture.You are ignoring the Turanid people, some Turanids(not all) mixed with mongolians, that's true, but Turanids and Mongolians are not same race.We dont get mad to hear that we like Mongolians and Koreans and Japanese as well, we are also related with them.But Turks are a different nation.
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 i know turks are now a part of a different nation, but look at all of the ignorant turks who become frustrated when the truth is spoken. you don't need to look far to see this... look at the top comment on this video. there's even a video on the right side called "TURKISH PEOPLE ARE NOT MONGOLS PART 2!!"
i find it a bit sad.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
Yes, it is because only a low number of Turks mixed with mongolians, thats why both Mongolians and Turks dont like to be generalized. We respect and love eachother but Mongolians wanna be Mongolian and Turks wanna be Turks.We call them cousin nation.Turks have always been a different nation, they have never been a part of other nations,so did mongolians.And dont pay attention ignorant comments, there are ignorant people in every nation.regards
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 All the Turkic peoples native to Central Asia (turkey) are of mixed of Caucasoid and Mongoloid origin. As i said earlier, some like Kasakhs are more mongoloid than caucasoid, but all turkic people are descendants of mongoloids. Regards.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
you accept the term mongloid and caucasoid but you dont accept the term 'turanid', thats the problem.All scientists know Turanoids.Turanids are as old as mongloids an caucasians.Anchient Turanids were not related to mongloids, just some of them mixed with mongloids.Today's Turks are more than %70-80Turanids.Not all but some of them %10-15 mongloid and caucasian.In asia you can see Turanids they are not look like asian or mongolian and caucasian. They look different from all.
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 turanids are a hybrid of Europid & Mongoloid. as i said, all turkic people are descendants of mongoloids at some degree or another. the ones in central asia tend to have more caucasoid because they have interbred with their neighbors (georgia, armenia, iran, kurd...) But if you want to see what turkish is, kazakhs tend to be the most representative.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
Turanoids are not hybrids,you can ignore thousand years of Turk mytology, shaman believes, gods, goddeses, all turkic languages,Turkic alphabet,scripts,symbols anchient names,all Turkic people, all Tripes, all hundreds of empires established by Turanoids, sorry but that doesn't change the fact, history and science don't lie.There is a reality which was accepted by both Mongolians and Turks and all Asians and all educated people.This is not sth you can decide by yourself.
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 it is believed by nearly all scholars that turanids are a mix of mongoloid & europid. i just don't see why you turks REFUSE to believe that you are descendants of mongols (whether through turanid or mongol directly). it's believed that turks emerged from huns. you seem to think that turks existed before the mongoloid race. that's DEFINITELY impossible.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
No,we dont say we're older than Mongloids,but we're as old as them.By the way scholars don't say something like that, they accept the 'Turk' term,and use 'Turk' term instead of Mongloid.Not only Turanoid but also Mongolians dont accept that.And you must respect that,what will you get if they accep to be mongoloid or not.This is just our bussiness.I am a blonde gren eye girl,but even if I have %1 Turanoid dna, I call myself Turk.Being mixed with europeans doesnt mean anything for us also
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 again, you mixing two very different kinds of terms. (turkic & mongoloid are not in the same category).
you say:
"what will you get if they accep to be mongoloid or not.This is just our bussiness.I am a blonde gren eye girl,but even if I have %1 Turanoid dna, I call myself Turk.Being mixed with europeans doesnt mean anything for us also"
i'm showing u where turks have come from. if turks refuse to accept their asian roots, it's nothing to me. they live an ignorant life. Regards.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
Thanks for showing our origins to us:D I suggest you should search your origins instead of Turks.It is more complicated.Scholars dont say mongloid,they say asian haplogroups,maybe mongolians are hybrid with chinese and Turks,you cannot be sure of that.And dont worry about us, we know who we are and we are proud of our asian Turanoid origin and love our great Mongolian cousins.Being asian has always been much more proudful for us compared to be european.Dont worry, regards
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 thanks for your suggestion, but when you see videos of an aryan group who show videos of mongols as representing their group... that is where such suggestions should be directed :]
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
I dont spend time in aryan videos,aryans are aryans we dont pay attention.They have their own culture, and they can believe whatever they are, it is not my bussiness i can just respect that.There are too many things to search in Turanid history and myths, I prefer to search them instead of others.Thanks for the conversation,have a nice day
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 are you really proud of your asian roots?
Japanese, Koreans, Mongolians, Chinese, and (original, unmixed) Turks are more genetically alike than the european traits shown in this video. Why don't you show what real turks look like instead of showing pictures of models who are a result of breeding with aryans?
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
These people call themselves' Turk' and come to Turkey and see with your own eyes, you can see these people on streets, even the new generation, university students are much more beautiful than these models.These models are just ordinary Turks.You say we are mongoloid but when we put our pictures you get mad.You accepted that Turks and aryans nothing in common,we are proud of our Asian brothers and today's modern Turks.We are not aryan,european or arab,we are TURKS.
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 hahaha mad? come on. i know where i come from and why i look the way i look. it's just this identity crisis of turkic people that i'm pointing out-- how very few of you admit that you are of asian origin AND think that the people in this video represent turkic genes.
think what you wish to think-- i, on the other hand, don't think ignorance is any fun or healthy.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
Turks don have any idinty crisis, it is just you searching our origins, we know where we came from but you dont.You are as mixed as Turks with indians,persians and semitics and mongolians.Maybe you have much more mongloid dna but you dont want to think about it,this is your problem.You said aryans mixed with Turks, and now you are ignoring that.At least we know our roots and dont deny it.We Turkic nations still wanna get united although this hybrid crab:D
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@nuneh
And also you want us to accept and be proud of our asiatic roots, but now you say Turks are like european.Aryans are not like these people ,everyone in this earth can understand that, they are dark skinned people, it is hardly see a blonde colored eye aryan,these people are not aryan, even if they are they call themselves 'turk', as you suggested they dont forget their asian roots, so whats the matter?
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 woah, no no no. i have never said that turkic genes are like europeans genes. what i said is that the traits shown in this video (light skin, light eyes...) are NOT asian traits. they are caucasian traits.... and the only reason why some turks look like this are ONLY BECAUSE they have mixed with their neighboring countries (georgia, armenia, iran, kurd...) So, titling a video "the Turks" and showing european traits doesnt exactly show your asian pride.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
Not only because of that,some tribes of Turks for ex.kipchaks used to be blonde before they come to Turkey, and asians have much more light skin than armenians,kurds,persians.Watch '300spartans' please,you will understand what I mean.You can hardly see a %100 asiatic face in Turkey.But all of us even we have %1 Turk dna,we can call ourself Turk.Should we deny our appearence? or should we dny our roots? You said we shouldnt , so you must not get mad.
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 kimchaks? the only tiny trace of kimchaks that can be found today is in the geogian-turkish border... AND U KNOW WHY? because like i said, few turks have these lighter features because of the bordering countries its mixed with
& guess what happened to the kimchaks? they were taken over by mongols. yes, thats the same group u claim makes only a small percentage of turkish blood, yet ur now claiming the kimchaks explain why the light features of these models represent turkic genes
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
it is not kimchak it is 'kıpchak',and kipchaks is just an example not only kipchaks, there are a lot of blonde tribes like kipchaks, Atatürk was also kipchak Türk,he is not like mongloid.And about mongolians,how can you be so sure that you dont have mongolian dna, Turks were good at defending themselves everyone knows that, you must concern about your dna i guess.
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 i wrote "kimchak", but i meant "kipchak." the info i wrote was about kipchak and u know that.
Ataturk wasn't light because of his turkic genes. he was of jewish ancestry.
"I'm a descendant of Sabbetai Zevi - not indeed a Jew any more, but an
ardent admirer of this prophet of yours. My opinion is that every Jew in
this country would do well to join his camp."
nuneh 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 "You can hardly see a %100 asiatic face in Turkey.But all of us even we have %1 Turk dna,we can call ourself Turk.Should we deny our appearence? or should we dny our roots?"
^^ as i said earlier, it is not me thats living an ignorant life. 1% turkic/asian genes & 99% european genes (like most people of this video) doesnt give u a turkish look. u can call urself aliens for all i care hahaa, my point still stands: these genes ARE NOT turkic genes,despite what u wish 2 identify urself
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
you seem like an obsessive person, very narrow minded , and racist and hatred. Your kind cannot undurstand what we mean, if you wanna search something you should search 'why these european looking Turks hate to be called european,armenian,greek or kurd, and why they are so proud of being Turk' you must ask yourself that, we are sure about our roots and our great history , respect or dont respect,it is your concern that doesnt change anything,dont be so obsessive about Turks.
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 and you seem like a rude, ignorant person who defines narrowmindedness
are u not the one who said "even if we have 1% turk blood, we call ourselves turkish"?
like i said, u can call urselves aliens for all i care. what i am establishing is the fact that the genes represented in this video DO NOT represent original turkic genes.
and ironically, that group of people you are so vehemently trying to disassociate yourself with is the same group that gave you these non-asiatic features.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
These video represents a branch of Turkic nations which is called Turkey.Not all Turks are like eachother,if we wanna show Turkmens we put Turkmen videos.But this one is about Turkey Turks, it is very clear.And these people also have at least %70-80 Turanoid dna, so they can call themselves 'Turks'.And russia is also in asia continent but they dont look asian too.Turanoids have different types,blondes,brunnetes,mongloids,reds..thats not important for us, we are all Turan
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 this video is called "the Turks" not "what Turks of Turkey look like after mixing with caucasian neighors"
either way, you should stop my calling out the truth as hate. i have many asian friends here in the united states and they are great people, but for some reason many turks act as if being asian is inferior to being european.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
wait wait ,how did you get the idea that Turks are insulting asians?What Ive been talking for hours? It is impossible, we love asians more than europeans and arabs.I am aso a big fan of far east countries,I am searching Asian myths,turkish myths also,I adore asians.And we Turks are proud of being asian originated people.In turkey if you say someone mongolian they dont care but if you call them greek they get mad.We are always proud of that but you are trying to insult Turks and Asians
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 you don't think all of these foolish turks who claim "TURKS ARE NOT MONGOL" is not insulting to asians?
or making videos labelled "the Turks" with only european traits...
where are the original asian looking turks in this video?
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
this is not to insult them,they also know that they are related to us but they know we are not completely same.And you said turks are the hybrid of caucasians and mongolians,if you think turk means that it means turkey is %100Turk.And also the middle asian Turks are not like mongloids that much.We are different looking people in dif. branches,many of us dont look like them,but we love them as well.Many mongolian racist also dont like turks,we cannot generelize all mongolians and turks.
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 i know turks are not completely of mongol descent. they are a mix of caucasoid & mongoloid. some have more mongoloid than others. the ones in turkey have mixed with their caucasian neighbors (greeks, armenians, kurds, iranians) so they have more caucasoid than mongoloid, but turkic blood has mongoloid nonetheless.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
If we put asian Turkic photos you will say Turks are not like that,if we put Turkish photos you will say real Turks are not like that.And there are too many videos also about other Turkic nations,you can see them there,we write good comments there,our identity is very clear, but you dont wanna understand this,because you are very far away to respect other nations,the more you do that the more we will get united.
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 no, if you put asian looking turks, ONLY AN UNEDUCATED PERSON WILL SAY TURKS DONT LOOK LIKE THAT.
what my comment said is that these people DO NOT REPRESENT ORIGINAL TURKIC GENES. i've been to turkey. i know that there are some people who look like this who live in turkey, but to think that this is turkic genes is wrong.
as i said, don't be insulted by facts... it's just unbiased facts. everyone should be proud of THEIR roots and understand why they look the way they look.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
If you say so I respect but in the beginning of our conversation you said Turks musn't forget asian roots and be proud of that.It is exacly what we do, to represent a whole Turanoid nation is almost impossible,every Turkic country represents theirselves,doing this doesnt mean we are generelazing all Turkics,Today Chuvash Turks are almost completely blond,they can put their photos too.and our Turanoid blood,our history,our language,our mythology connects eachother not only with dna.
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 see i like that you are able to say that your history & dna connect you with chuvash (predominantly christian) turks. why can't that be accepted with regard to non turks who can contributed to your beauty? it just seems like turks want to claim that these looks ARE NATIVE to turkic genes without mixing with its armenian, georgian, kurdish, and iranian neighbors. but you and i both know that the majority of turks did NOT orginally look like this.
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
why?do you think asians are not beautiful?sorry but i think Both Turks and other Asians'are more beautiful than armenian,georgian,iranian and kurdish people.Non of them're like us,we look like mongolians more them we're like them.And yes we owe our beauty to our asian dna's.because we're not dark skinned people as persians,kurds and armenians.you say we must accept our asian roots but then you began to say aryans again.Majority are not like that,true but Turkish Turks are like that.
zzeynepp18 5 months ago
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@zzeynepp18 what? who said i dont find asians beautiful. this is from my comment:
"i have many asian friends here in the united states and they are great people, but for some reason many turks act as if being asian is inferior to being european."
nuneh 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 "sorry but i think Both Turks and other Asians'are more beautiful than armenian,georgian,iranian and kurdish people."
^^ well that is your opinion and you're free to think that, but if other turks thought that way, the models of this video would not represent traits turkey's turks have derived from mixing with those same groups you mentioned. there would be more original turkic & asian genes shown in the video. but like i said, you are free to have your preferences.
nuneh 5 months ago
@zzeynepp18 also, if you see any dark skinned armenians,kurds, greeks, its likely due to mixing with turks because armenians, kurds, and greeks are caucasian. you can argue against that however you'd like, but facts remain facts.
if you'd like, you can even check my picture. i have light brown hair with dark green eyes and really light skin = ARMENIAN. :]
nuneh 5 months ago
@nuneh
come on asian originated people have lighter skinned people than all armenians,kurds and persians.Everyone knows that,you are not dark skinned because of us,I know too many armenain and kurds I have never seen one light skinned one,you are light skinned because you must be hybrid with caucasian dna.Why do you deny the 'Indo' part of your originsIt doesnt represent the armenians you know that.And I told you in the video the miss globe is %100asiatic face look at the video carefully pls.
zzeynepp18 5 months ago