The West Wing - Crisis of Confidence

[sunnchilde]

Toby is such a gem. He can take any issue and argue for it so fiercely that it would make you believe it is the most important issue on the table.

[idvhf]

Anyone else love how Bartlet casually sweeps the money into his desk?

[RosaEveningstar]

@idvhf YES :)

[darwinkilledgod]

For those who don't recognize it, that question was asked of Dukakis during the debate and he gave a boring "No, it's not a deterrent" answer that made him seem inhuman. Clip is on youtube somewhere. (was wife, not daughter)

The voucher answer was nonsense by the way! The "not giving up, so let's keep kids in failing schools" line was really not very persuasive.

[PeterFormaini]

@darwinkilledgod Ah Yes - so much better to give privileged kids more money and abandon the schools altogether for those not high up enough on the social totem pole to receive vouchers. Excellent solution! [eyeroll] Normally, in most rational systems, when something does not have enough funding to succeed, you give it enough money to actually work - you don;t give it LESS.

[darwinkilledgod]

@PeterFormaini I wish I could frame your post! It perfectly illustrates why government programs suck and private ones work. In a restaurant, if you are doing well you are given more money to expand. If you do poorly because your food sucks, you get less money. In a government program when you fail you are given more money, and to the extent that you manage to succeed, your money is taken away from you.

By the way, there is no "totem pole" ... vouchers are given to everyone.

[PeterFormaini]

@darwinkilledgod Sorry, but the analogy is ridiculous - since whether or not food is 'good' is subjective - while literacy and educational ability is an objective measure - not subject to the whims of shifting tastes and individual taste buds. And vouchers are NOT 'given to everyone'. And even if they were - the logistical difficulty in sending my inner city kid to a private academy in suburban New Jersey would - again - make any concept of 'fairness' and 'equality' a complete sham.

[darwinkilledgod]

@PeterFormaini They are not given to everyone because Democrats block them... that's why kids in DC are stuck in schools where 70% don't graduate. But by all means, plead for fairness...

The idea that socialism works for "objective" goods makes no sense. Bottom line: private schools get better results with less money. But Democrats get money from teachers' unions and don't understand economics, so poor kids get crappy schools while you pat yourself on the back for wanting fairness.

[d007ization]

@darwinkilledgod Could you prove this with a website explaining why?

[darwinkilledgod]

@d007ization There's a good article at reason.com titled, "Obama's Hypocrisy on School Vouchers" that has a lot of it.

There's also a video on youtube here: /watch?v=l7FS5B-CynM

[rjh00]

Yes a Father of a daughter which has just been raped and murdered should want the killer put to death.

That's why decision like this shouldn't be done under extreme emotional stress.

[pepsibookcat]

Toby is so creeped out by what happened.  LOL

[VARMINT2004]

$10 bet! ONE SQUARE MILE OF RELESTE NICE TOUCH LEO!

[PeterFormaini]

@VARMINT2004 Well, except the joke was '1 square foot of real estate". :D

[MeganStump94]

I miss this show so much!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the best scene, C.J.'s laugh is the best, and the look on Leo's face is priceless, i started laughing when they went over to Leo! The West Wing is/was one of the BEST shows ever!

[hollywoodwerewolf]

wouldn't want to play poker against Leo McGarry.

[jaydedjen110]

LEO'S FACE HAD ME LAUGHING SO HARD.

[nascarkraz]

The best fricken cold open...ever!

[nitaipoddar5]

So the president tossed all that money into a drawer of his desk. Hah.

[madamewho]

"You, you big bear I want to kiss you in the mouth!"

Fucking love the west wing. This might just be my favourite scene...

[LadyNightthorn]

CJ has the most wonderful laugh.

[1TheSocraticMethod1]

Bartlet *owned* Toby! LOL

[sunnchilde]

Toby has this quiet, raging intensity that raises the bar in every scene he's in. You want gentle human compassion? Get Toby. You want outraged righteous indignation? Get Toby.

[vp1981ad]

@sunnchilde ... You want deadpan comedy? Get Toby!

[GayIthacan]

You know your coworkers adore you when they pull stuff like this. :D

[Stonymypony]

Great Scene!

[HotPiratesWench]

omg love it!

oh toby.

[jimbobjimminy]

John Spencer for the ABSOLUTE win

[BetaArtemis]

which episode was this?

[stratoman420]

I believe this was "Game On".

[ssassy75]

loved the look on john spencer's face when toby lost it

[bigjokk]

love cjs laugh

[cubswin3838]

10 bucks

[Emsta]

Please tell me there's a list somewhere of all the bets from the West Wing

[taloolamay]

haha yes! that would be awesome!

[BravoGirl09]

This is one of my favorite clips. :)

[MyOwnFan1993]

Look at Toby's face when they all leave, it's HILARIOUS! Funny clip

[B3Ger]

I know, priceless...