Bible's Buried Secrets (BBC) Ep.1: Did King David's empire exist? (4/4)

[MistyMarie1970]

I suppose the Armana letters are about Omri to are they?

[MistyMarie1970]

If the myth theory was true as she claimed & there was no united kingdom under David & Solomon,& she refers to Omri as the first Israelite King from any kingdom, Then how is it that both areas were Israelites & under one God? If there was no king David or Solomon, doesn't that mean they weren't Israelites? & How would Omri explain his Israelite history. Maybe the evidence cant be found because you live on top of the evidence . do you move peoples houses to do digs or dig where it is open to dig

[NLT31]

This girl is very smug, she seems very biased, evidence or not she wouldn't accept biblical truth even if it hit her in the face her athiest beliefs block her.

[NECHOII]

@SHAYLAHGR: No doubt KING OMRI DID create his own propaganda ( like any King ), while he reigned. Most unfortunately, it's all been lost to history ! Perhaps, one day some lucky man might stumble across a treasure trove of documents, ( like the DEAD SEA SCROLLS ) sealed in clay jars, stashed away in a cave somewhere, that document the reigns of KINGS OMRI, AHAB and QUEEN JEZEBEL.

[NECHOII]

@MRIMMOBILE : LOOK to ARCHAEOLOGY and the SECULAR HISTORIANS such as DR. FRANCESCA STAVRAKOPOULOU for NON - BIBLICAL PROOF that there WERE ISRAELITIES IN THE HOLY LAND IN ANCIENT TIMES.

For ARCHAEOLOGICAL - HISTORICAL PROOF look to THE MERNEPTAH STELA, TEL DAN STELAE, MOABITE MESHA STONE,  SHALMANSER BLACK OBELISK and the SHALMANSER INSCRIPTION.

NEVER is there any mention of PALESTINIANS in the HOLY LAND ANYWHERE !

[FeignofCordor]

I don`t go along with the lady who approached this subject with a Bias and took the claims of the Atheist Archaeologists as " Gospel " whilst simply waving away those who claim in the affirmative . " Little evidence" is not the same as "No evidence" yet both terms are used by her to describe The Evidence for King David. It seams to me the BBC has great appetite for discrediting the Bible whilst lording up islam at every opportunity.

[William00048]

Excellent.  Thank you for posting.

[MrDmanJO]

From Beginning to End the Bible is focused on one character which is Jesus. From Gensis showing why a Saviour is needed, throughout the Old Testament prophecied what line he would come from (Davids), to the New Testament about his life on earth to his ascension into Heaven. If Omri was a small part of the Bible, maybe its because he has no purpose in the main point in the Bible. As a scholar she should know that and not concentrated on him so much. Perhaps King Solomon? Kind David's son?

[woosung58]

@MrDmanJO Think she made it clear, there is archaeological evidence for Omri, so why isn't there for David?

[BigIdeaSeeker]

Fantastic! Thanks, keirapotter.

[hextai111]

About Tel Dan fragments - House of David

Professor Giovanni Garbini : the state of the fragment, the palaeography, the linguistic oddities, and some ideological incongruences induce strong doubts as to the authenticity of the Tel Dan inscription

Others have suggested that the inscription appears to have been carved after the fragment was broken; if so this would prove conclusively that the fragment is a forgery

[erickaie1]

she is a muslim... and not fair by this documentary

[CrankTheParty]

@erickaie1 She is not Muslim. She is an atheist.

[accent77]

Thanks for posting these. This series was awesome and the host, quite charming.

[NECHOII]

...while the Palestinians were just wandering bedouins in ancient times and then they later settled down in villages. That, by itself, does  NOT entitle the Palestinians to a country.

[MrImmobile]

@NECHOII The bible does not entitle the jews to isreal. Many different people have lived in isreal but modern palastinians are not to blame for anything and it is the land they inheritied. I think if jews wants to live there they should but it should not be in replace of palistinians. It is there home in modern times and a fictitious book does not change that.

[NECHOII]

I VIGOUROUSLY DISAGREE with DR. FRANCESCA STAVRAKOPOULOU when she suggests ARCHAEOLOGY ( and the SECULAR HISTORIAN ) should remain seperate from POLITICS. For it is indeed, ARCHAEOLOGY and the SECULAR HISTORIAN that have PROVEN the case for ZIONIST ISRAEL by showing it was the ancient Israelities ( one of 30 CANAANITE TRIBES ) that got to this land FIRST, AHEAD OF THE PALESTINIANS AND ESTABLISHED TWO ANCIENT ISRAELI KINGDOMS...

[JohnnyRock2000]

States can make myths become fact over time. Israel ejects and will continue to eject Arabs from their Kingdom of David. "It's ours", they say. "God gave it to US". Not a history but a theology, and perhaps ALL myth. This myth can be used to eventually start World War III, Clash of Civilizations etc. It may be up to science to prove or disprove many things, but when people get righteous AND greedy, they hear what they want to hear and make it up along the way.

[quitoguru]

Francesca marry me please!!!

[gbennett58]

History is written by the victors, and the Bible is your typical history book, written by the victors. Perhaps the best way to explain the controversy is to say that for those who wrote the Bible, the story of David was "true in their imaginations." Where have we heard this before?

[cfrancisco74]

@gbennett58 Hmm...Slaves in Egypt, conquered by Babylonians, ruled by the Roman Empire: how do u define "Victors"? And as for "Typical History Book": well, maybe if you consider the Brothers Grimm as historians. Perhaps the best way to explain the controverys was said in the video, "The Bible IS NOT A HISTORY BOOK. It is religious litereture shaped by idiological and political factor."

[ehswan]

The stone work alleged to be from Davids rule was extremely course and primitive. In addition, no advanced weapons, no metals, no nothing. According to this doc' . One must wonder if there is any truth at all to the Israeli myth.

[JEREX101]

DAVID WAS REAL

[roastpigeon]

Archeology shows Israelites were another group of people who displaced others before, were displaced, returned and displaced again. Saying YHWH promised them the lands still makes them invaders. They only knew better being victims themselves. A powerful always-one-piece kingdom fairy tale makes the claim over lands only at different points in time Israelite occupied here and there, legitimate. It doesn't matter whose perspective. They left Babylon believing all was theirs, north to south.

[ShaylahGr]

unbiased eh... at the very start of this project, she gave David's story a variety of terms ranging from "claim" to "myth" - she stressed on the "myth" one quite neatly. she knew what answers she intended to find before she even got started.

i do have a genuine query though - If King Omri was such a great successful king with so much power, how is it that HE didn't have any control over the Jewish bible writings like the Judeans? or at least why did he not create some of his own propaganda?

[keirapotter]

@ShaylahGr Well it's not "if" king Omri had power, we know from the data he had. We also know that the Old Testament is written from a southern perspective. The northen Kingdom of Israel fell almost 2 centuries before the Kingdom of Judah. That means from 722 BC to 586 BC there was only the southern Kingdom. A lot of writing of the OT took place at that time (probably no biblical texts before 9th BC). Then when Judah fell, inhabitants were exiled in Babylon, and scribes wrote a lot.

[keirapotter]

@ShaylahGr So most of the writing took place when Israel (northern kingdom) didn't exist anymore. After it fell, when Judah was still there, the cult of Yhwh was centralized to Jerusalem, explaining the southern perspective of the texts.

[JohnnyRock2000]

@ShaylahGr - You ask about Omri propaganda. It could have existed. Propaganda is a human ideology, usually propagated by word or by written language, both fragile. So the bible had "legs" and by fortune or whatever has lasted quite a long time. Who knows what propaganda didn't. In a concrete way Israel seeks to make propaganda exist and ensure its existence for an even longer time. It becomes more energized that way, More real...but it remains propaganda just the same. Likely entirely myth.

[William00048]

@ShaylahGr So would it be biased to talk of King Arthur as a Myth or Romulus and Remus as a Myth? Wishing doesn't make it so. David has no move evidence for his existence than these other national characters. He is a National Myth.....unless you can prove otherwise. That is the thing about rational minds and religious ones. The rational can and do change their minds with new evidence presented.

[William00048]

@ShaylahGr Oh, why didn't Omri have any control of the Jewish bible writings? She does answer this. A. He wasn't Jewish. B. It was written after he was already dust.

[DevilsAvocado1]

@ShaylahGr Historical people and places can not be owned by religion - they either existed or they didn't. Even if these people and places existed or there is loads of evidence for them having existed, the detail and proof needed to support the supernatural claims of the bible or any other holy book can never and will never be found. So... the most religious wish-thinkers can hope for is proof of a particular political and geographical backdrop for their fairy tales.

[zazenzach]

this was remarkably well rounded and unbiased. really interesting. when it comes to the history of Israel/palestine, there seems to be a lot of nonsense thrown around in order to support a political cause (zionism or palestinian nationalism). this did really well at weaving through the bull.