@AgricolaLanatus Anyone who thinks he made the right decision should watch the scene where her uncle recounts the time he found her exhausted, dehydrated and half dead because she'd been left alone in a locked car in the sun because her MOTHER and pals didnt want her DISTURBING them while they did drugs and fucked total strangers they'd just met. Patrick Dempsey made the right LEGAL decision, and committed a grave INJUSTICE against the child.
There is a poem titled "Children learn what they live" by Dorothy L. Law, 1959. CHECK IT OUT.
This story represents the saddness of poor parenting and a mother who did not deserve the gift of not only having a beautiful child, but moreover getting her little girl back. The cycle continues and unfotunately a few years down the line this little girl would be a product of her mother's lifestyle. This child would have been better off with Morgan and his wife. This was an unforgivable mistake.
@peaceofheart12 ---"AY LADY ! I'm just doin my job.......The famous 'cops' line.See 'thinking' IS NOT part of the job,to a dumb Irish cop,what a dope.See the sh!t for brains is now a hero.She is back in all the stupidity of her bloodline,and neighborhood.
@peaceofheart12 Lehane wrote a book named "Moonlight Mile" where we can see what happened to Amanda, and I can assure you, she's not a product of her mother's lifestyle ! Just check it out ! =)
Oh Patrick, the idealist, how you're young and have never experienced life yet. One should note that genes and blood are only technical and scientific aspects of being a "mother." In the social sense (the more psychologically important one), the requirement of being a mother is only love (which Angie notes). And I don't think social services was an option for Remy and the gang. From what I've heard from people in real life, is that it's a very flawed system.
I can see both sides. On the one hand Amanda deserved a better life than the one her mother was giving her, it was obvious her mother was in no state to look after her. On the other hand, kidnapping, whatever the intentions, is wrong. Especially if it's an innocent child. Like Casey said, they shouldve gone to Social Services.
I personally would have kept her where she was, but I wouldn't have kept it a secret. The mother has a right to know where her daughter is, even if she shouldn't see her
Even though it's terrible Affleck had to bring her back, he did the right thing. Because where do you draw the line? Do you keep fake kidnapping kids to save them? How many more kids would be in distress? Who do you decide to save? Either way this film was GREAT for discussions.
@scorzi I think it's avoiding the film's central ideas to simply say that Affleck's character did the right thing. True, he did return Amanda to her mum, but he also undermined the work of police officers who tried to give her a better life and died in the process, he got a man who had dedicated his life to fighting real crime put behind bars with criminals who would probably like nothing better than to cave his head in, and he failed to notice how much of a failure Eileen is as a mother.
You people say he just did the wrong thing because you are not smart enough to undestand why he was absolutley right. You can not take a kid from his parents because you think you can change his destiny. Every person on this planet is born in the right place in the wright family and that is all for a reason we all got a destiny and are born for a reason. This kid has a mother and you can not destroy the life of one person to save another, and that all from your perspective.
Was it SO hard to put Amanda into social services and legally give her to foster parents? Surely there was enough proof of that. Doyle and his wife could have come forward as very respectable applicants and Amanda would have had a good life. Or failing that, have the aunt and uncle take full custody due to Helene's incompetence.
he made the right decision. she was kidnapped from her own mother even though her mother was not a good one and taken in to doyles family probably because he misses his own child which is completely understandable. i felt bad for amanda but i respect patrick a whole lot for sticking to his guns even though he was threatened with guilt and losing his girl friend which he did. i find that pretty stupid she broke up with him because he followed the law an did what he beleived in.
Sometimes what is best is not what is right. The right thing to do was to return Amanda to her mother, although it was probably best not to do that. Casey Afflek was hired by the girl's Aunt to find Amanda. What's the moral value to her of knowing her niece is alive?
I like how at the end of the film Casey Afflek is taking responsibility for his decision by helping to watch out for Amanda.
everyone has his opinion, i don't know and i'll never know what would i do in this situation. What i know is that Casey's character was sure in his desicion cause even when the woman he loves told him that she would hate him he didn't change his desicion.. amazing movie...
@will1one, yes good people died, but they died for a good cause and what they believed was right. Like the soldiers we sent to fight for our freedom. They decided to fight for a good cause. It may be the law, but the law is flawed. You can't enable a bad situation and justify it by hiding behind the law. I agree we have laws to keep our society in check but some cases the law fails those who are innocent
@restoregurl but amanda was never hurt by helene.. sure helene's a bitch.. but she's still the mom of the child, and what if she did change? its not fair for her.. who were they to decide amanda's future?? i get they were trying to do something good for amanda.. but the way they did it was just wrong.. if someone were to rob a bank because his child is really sick and needs medical attention, does that make it right? because no matter how good your cause is, you're still gonna hurt people
amazing movie. tough decision. The best works really question your morals, just like this. There is no clear cut right or wrong, its ugly all over. Thats why this movie is amazing
Does the movie ever explain why not one of these characters ever bothered to dial social services? I'm thinking mainly of the two private investigators here, because if Michelle Monaghan is so indignant about Casey Affleck's final choice, and he himself is so tortured by it...well, it just seems like one lousy phone call could save all of these people a lot of grief.
@spaceawesome22 Judging by the fact that michelle has just moved out, and that Helene is going on a date with somebody who she met through all the media press, it's most likely that Casey Affleck is visiting her probably a few days to maybe a week after the whole ordeal. By his expression after realizing that Helene didn't even know Amanda's doll's name, he's thinking "fuck..." but it really raises the question about what's wrong and what's right.
Patrick made the right call. The bottom line is that she was stolen. Yeah Helene is a shitty parent, and she should be reported to social services and then a good family can legally obtain custody of Amanda. This plot is absurd if you think about it, did Doyle think he would never run into anyone he knew ever again? Everyone in the Boston area knows her photo.
Fuck this, this fuckin thing frustrates the hell out of me. Its dumb mother fuckers like Patrick who think that kids should be with their biological drunken, drug addicted mothers and live a life in the slums to repeat the fuckin cycle. When there are good people out there who are unselfish and give her a good life. The ending summarizes her life left alone on a couch while mom is out fucking and drinking. You fuckin dumb fuckin cunts like Patrick are selfish, you can't forgive yourselffucku
@restoregurl what about cheese? chris mullen? skinny ray? they all died to cover the whole thing up.. plus doyle was being selfish, he only wanted to take care of her to replace his child, it wasnt right.. i feel bad for doyle and lionel and also amanda but thats the law.. you cant put it in your own hands..
uugh the ending frustrated me so much. i was so torn, damn patrick and his moral compass. lol but my family was arguing over this too. i for one think they should have left amanda with the cop, patricks GF put it best, the life she described for the girl would have made everything worth it, and seeing the end with the girls terrible mother and her sitting on the couch, i realised that altho patrick made the "right" decision, it wasnt the best, atleast not for amanda. plus it ruined his life.
@livexthexlife192 Look at the means to achieve such a simple task though. A.) Three respectable police officers conspired a ransom, kidnapping. B.) They murdered two people. C.) Although Doyle was not directly involved in the ransom and murders, he sure as hell knew about it. It's possible Amanda could've lived a better life, but look at the destruction involved. Lionel coulda just called child services. Plus look at it this way, Doyle kidnaps a girl to replace his dead daughter.
Also, like patrick's gf said, "here she can have sleepovers, and we know she'll be happy. We know she'll be happy because we will check up on her. We will know what school she goes to. We'll know she gets to hang out with friends and have birthday parties" (FYI: thats not what she said exactly, but similar to it)
This is the best movie in the world. As far as where is she better off: In reality, and legally, she is supposed to be with her mother. However, for her sake, for amandas sake, and for her future, she'd have a better future with the cop. Its obvious because she will turn out just like her mother, and then she will have a little girl and she'll be out drunk, because thats what Elene was like, and this will continue..the cycle will keep going. However, patricks explanation is very true.
she was loving, but she was always running off somewhere never really CARING for her child He realized at the end what he done. he cant get her back into a good home like that, now shes stuck with a mother who CANNOT change.
the whole point is he grew up in the same area where the little girl did and he turned out fine and had friends who didn't and did but he knew it just wasnt right to take here away from her mother its just not his call
he totally made the wrong decision. I couldn't agree more with Morgan Freeman's statement "you don't know what the world is made of yet", I've seen the product of Helene's parenting enough to know, sometimes a kidnapping can be justified
I agree. It's not always black and white. Helene didn't seem to change one bit after her daughter was 'rescued'. If such a traumatizing ordeal won't change her... then what will? Nothing.
It is black and white. No one in that situation has the right to take a daughter away from her mother given nothing illegal is happening. If you want to walk down that road then you are hitting a slippery slope where people just begin taking kids from parents whenever they think they could do better. Sometimes we have the moral duty to act one way regardless of consequences.
365to173rupubsPWNED, and sometimes we have the moral duty to act one way regardless if it's legal or not. He did the legal thing. It doesn't make it the right thing.
It doesn't NECESSARILY make it the right thing. I agree, but there better be an overwhelming case made for the breaking of law. I see no such case made for Morgan Freeman's character.
@TheMaleCraft the legal thing is the right thing, thats why we have rules.. if you'd allow something like this to happen then you allow "theft because a man needed the money" to happen..
"what I'm not gonna do is have to apologize to a grown woman who comes to me and says: "I was kidnapped when I was a little girl, and my aunt hired you to find me. And you did, you found me with some strange family. But you broke your promise and you left me there. Why? Why didn't you bring me home? Because all the snacks and the outfits and the family trips don't matter. They stole me."
You obviously are not from Boston growing up in a tough area sometimes make you what you are and you succeed through it. You don't leave family no matter how fucked up they are but you wouldn't understand you aren't from Boston.
@firesocks2000 "You found me with some strange family...the snacks and the outfits and family trips don't matter. It wasn't my family...you knew better and you did nothing." He may have made the right decision or may not have. Both sides have awful consequences. I don't think that there is a "totally wrong" decision. (Not trying to make an arguement, just thought I'd add my thoughts, and his.) =-)
@acmilanchamp28 i think you're right.. but i also think doyle had to go to jail, they set up cheese so that they could get away, that was just wrong..
@firesocks2000 totally agreed...i'd never seen the movie until just now. It'll bother me for days..he fucked up and he knew it. what a waste..I felt horrible for the little girl.
@firesocks2000 you got it wrong.. a kidnapping can never be justified.. the ends never justify a means.. patrick was right when he said he shouldve just called child services, there were other ways of saving amanda.. how about cheese? they killed him to frame him, can that be justified?
Dude, he made the right decision the righteous decision, that daughters place is with her mother whether shes a good mother or not, a mother can understand the true pain of her children and either ways he kidnapped her at one place when Affleck says,"You think she wasn't good mother you should call the social security" they would've handle her, kidnapping was never a right decision at the first place.
Thats what I think, nonetheless one of the greatest movies ever.
thats what is so sad about this movie. Patrick made the right choice, but he is going to have to live with it for the rest of her life. And oh yea...protection services dude? really? then she would have really been lost.
Don't worry Patrick. You made the right decision. If he truly loved the child, and wanted the best for her, he would have called protection services, and not been so selfish. Yes, I sympathise with him losing a child of his own, but abducting another woman's child is NEVER the right thing to do!
to benchwarmerbenji, you are right that abducting a woman's child is wrong, but that was not Patrick's dilemma. It was is she better off now or with her mother? To me he knew she was better off, but he couldn't let the crime go. It was more important to him to expose the truth than do what was right for the child. The kidnapping is one thing. Truth vs. Keeping a Secret is quite another.
A. The mother. Nobody can "know" how a child is going to turn out, or whether or not an irresponsible mother can change her lifestyle (the movie realizes that people don't change overnight, but Helene and Amanda's future is uncertain). But even if she doesn't. There are Protection Services available.Exposing the truth has nothing to do with his decision. A child was taken against her mother's will, and a society that allows that to happen is corrupt!
not necessarily true. the last scene of the movie clearly implies that the child is not better off with this particular mother. She's going out on a date with some guy and didn't even get a babysitter beforehand. The last dialogue, when amanda says her favorite doll's name is annabelle, NOT maribelle, that implies the mother doesn't even know the name of her daughter's favorite doll. In this particular case, Amanda was better with the cop, even though he took the law into his own hands.
My response to your comment would be very similar to the one you have just replied to. Read what my comment says (including the part about Protection Services) and tell me where I am wrong!
i think ur argument about no one being able to truly "know" how a child in that type of environment is going to end up is naive. it's a cop-out for saying "legally she belongs with the irresponsible mother, and so, let's take the chance and cross out fingers that she'll end up stable and not like her mother." there's more than enough evidence to prove that that type of parental figure paired with a "every man for his own" environment is not a great place for a child to grow up in.
continued: the fact that you look at this story and are willing to take the chance on amanda's life by placing her back in her mother's hands - a mother who obviously still has not learned to put her child's interests before her own - is very sad. and your comment about child protection services is extremely naive, yet again. ya, put her there and she'll definitely be better off in the system. i do want to clear up, however, that i don't think what the cop did was right. the law is there
for a reason and people can't just go out and kidnap kids even though they will be better off in other particular environments. i'm simply arguing in the case of the movie, for when this type of battle between what is legal and what is moral arises, too many other factors come into play for me to take one side
First off. I expressed absolutely no concern over the fact that the child "legally belongs to the mother." And I certainly do not believe one should "chance and cross their fingers" on how a child should turn out. Putting words into my mouth and calling me naive is a fairly shallow way of making your own arguments sound more attractive, and I'd ask that you please not do it again.
My concern is not that the child legally belongs to the mother. It is that she has been snatched from her mother and is being taken in by a couple that, instead of reporting the abusive nature of the environment she was living in, decided to have her snatched and taken into their own home without parental or legal consent. Which puts the child at even "greater risk" of being further abused in future, as child-protection services (and police) are then more likely to overlook the
abusive environment that she started out with. If they had called child-protection services, it would have been a much safer option for the child all-round. And I can't say I completely understand what you mean when you say "put her there and she'll definitely be better off in the system."
Yeah, I believe she would be way better off in the company of those who have dedicated their lives to providing a safe and healthy environment for children. This couple has taken the child in,
having put their own selfish interests in front of the child. I see no way around that fact. It may be understandable that they wanted a child so badly, having tragically lost one of their own. But the fact remains, they have put the child at grave risk, because (despite the excuses Doyle makes for them) they failed to consider the long-term consequences of their actions that would impact on the child!
okay, just to clear it up then, you're not necessarily looking at this from a moral standpoint, but from a legal and "just" one - by placing her in child protection services since the mother is obviously a delinquent? am i correct then? my problem is that YOU don't understand the long term consequences that can arise from her being with the mother or being in child protection services. if she stays with the mother in that type of environment, she is more than likely to not meet her safety needs,
social needs, etc. There are more than enough case studies to prove that the chances of amanda ending up with all the basic needs she deserves and the cop was able to give would not happen. with a mother like that and an environment full of drugs, violence, and self-sustainability, that is fact. so then, since you accept this, now you're telling me that it was not right for the cop to take her. i agree, but when patrick is faced with the dilemma between keeping her with the cop and doing the
right thing - which is to give her back to the mother because she promised to change during the horrific and stressful time period that amanda was missing - he does the right thing. but he lives in guilt, knowing that she would have been much more stable and loved in the cop's household. True that maybe his love is misguided due to his own daughter's murder, but that doesn't make his ability to provide for and love amanda less dependable.
then, you say, put her child protection services. luckily, i have personal experience in that area - my aunt being a social worker who is employed in the governmental agency - and more than often have we had conversations about politics, her work, etc. there are benefits and success stories to the cps, but my aunt has often said that many people looking in from the outside with no personal knowledge of the way the system operates view the cps as positive. true that caring people work there, but
that is not the problem. the system is the problem. and once the child is released from that area and placed into a home - a home which so often is laden with other neglected children -, how then is that the best possible situation for amanda? since you acknowledge she is neglected, why is being with the cop not the best environment for her to grow up in. just in the case of the movie, disregarding the legal boundaries the cop crossed, he was able to offer her much more than her own kin was.
@AgricolaLanatus Anyone who thinks he made the right decision should watch the scene where her uncle recounts the time he found her exhausted, dehydrated and half dead because she'd been left alone in a locked car in the sun because her MOTHER and pals didnt want her DISTURBING them while they did drugs and fucked total strangers they'd just met. Patrick Dempsey made the right LEGAL decision, and committed a grave INJUSTICE against the child.
hollyboo21 4 months ago
@Mentofresh7 This is quite convenient, I Tivo'd this the other week but it had cut off the last 15 minutes. Thanks!
MikeH1986MikeH 6 months ago
There is a poem titled "Children learn what they live" by Dorothy L. Law, 1959. CHECK IT OUT.
This story represents the saddness of poor parenting and a mother who did not deserve the gift of not only having a beautiful child, but moreover getting her little girl back. The cycle continues and unfotunately a few years down the line this little girl would be a product of her mother's lifestyle. This child would have been better off with Morgan and his wife. This was an unforgivable mistake.
peaceofheart12 7 months ago
@peaceofheart12 ---"AY LADY ! I'm just doin my job.......The famous 'cops' line.See 'thinking' IS NOT part of the job,to a dumb Irish cop,what a dope.See the sh!t for brains is now a hero.She is back in all the stupidity of her bloodline,and neighborhood.
billy1212ist 6 months ago
@peaceofheart12 Lehane wrote a book named "Moonlight Mile" where we can see what happened to Amanda, and I can assure you, she's not a product of her mother's lifestyle ! Just check it out ! =)
nostreetnolife08 5 months ago
totally loved this movie, the ending was so heartwrenching. its like he new he had made the wrong decision at the end, and he regretted it
1886thearsenal 7 months ago
Oh Patrick, the idealist, how you're young and have never experienced life yet. One should note that genes and blood are only technical and scientific aspects of being a "mother." In the social sense (the more psychologically important one), the requirement of being a mother is only love (which Angie notes). And I don't think social services was an option for Remy and the gang. From what I've heard from people in real life, is that it's a very flawed system.
hero159 7 months ago
I can see both sides. On the one hand Amanda deserved a better life than the one her mother was giving her, it was obvious her mother was in no state to look after her. On the other hand, kidnapping, whatever the intentions, is wrong. Especially if it's an innocent child. Like Casey said, they shouldve gone to Social Services.
I personally would have kept her where she was, but I wouldn't have kept it a secret. The mother has a right to know where her daughter is, even if she shouldn't see her
bubba106 8 months ago
One of the best, most mature moral dilemmas ever approached in film.
TheCyberToad 9 months ago 3
I'll hate you for doing this, and I dont want to
bustapunk101 9 months ago
He made the wrong decision and I think he knew at the end
howiyeh33 10 months ago
"amanda, how do you feel to see your mom"???!!! The poor kids like what, 3? stupid fucking reporters.
iluvrimmel 10 months ago
Amy Ryan should have gotten the Best Supporting Actress Oscar.
scorzi 10 months ago
Even though it's terrible Affleck had to bring her back, he did the right thing. Because where do you draw the line? Do you keep fake kidnapping kids to save them? How many more kids would be in distress? Who do you decide to save? Either way this film was GREAT for discussions.
scorzi 10 months ago
@scorzi I think it's avoiding the film's central ideas to simply say that Affleck's character did the right thing. True, he did return Amanda to her mum, but he also undermined the work of police officers who tried to give her a better life and died in the process, he got a man who had dedicated his life to fighting real crime put behind bars with criminals who would probably like nothing better than to cave his head in, and he failed to notice how much of a failure Eileen is as a mother.
TheUnseenMovieLover 10 months ago
Sometimes doing the right thing ain't doing the right thing.
coryboy345 11 months ago
You people say he just did the wrong thing because you are not smart enough to undestand why he was absolutley right. You can not take a kid from his parents because you think you can change his destiny. Every person on this planet is born in the right place in the wright family and that is all for a reason we all got a destiny and are born for a reason. This kid has a mother and you can not destroy the life of one person to save another, and that all from your perspective.
030dany 11 months ago
8:31 and 8:48 I'd give Morgan freeman the oscar just for that one look.
woollybully100 11 months ago 4
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I love this movie, one of the best.
LyricalKid94 1 year ago
Just because someone's biologically related doesn't make them "family."
Prolite959 1 year ago 2
im in love with casey affleck but in this movie i was like NOOO DONT GIVE HER BACK Y COULDNT U LET IT B?!
theweirdkids1 1 year ago
michellemonaghan is underated
brighterwest 1 year ago
Jimmy O lol
jimmofosty 1 year ago
Was it SO hard to put Amanda into social services and legally give her to foster parents? Surely there was enough proof of that. Doyle and his wife could have come forward as very respectable applicants and Amanda would have had a good life. Or failing that, have the aunt and uncle take full custody due to Helene's incompetence.
Lamporre 1 year ago 2
he made the right decision. she was kidnapped from her own mother even though her mother was not a good one and taken in to doyles family probably because he misses his own child which is completely understandable. i felt bad for amanda but i respect patrick a whole lot for sticking to his guns even though he was threatened with guilt and losing his girl friend which he did. i find that pretty stupid she broke up with him because he followed the law an did what he beleived in.
Mark56Buehrleowns 1 year ago
@Mark56Buehrleowns She believed in doing the exact opposite thing, so it's not stupid that she broke up with him.
Prolite959 1 year ago
@Mark56Buehrleowns YOU FACKING ROBOT , I BET YOU WHERE IN IRAK OR IN THE MIDDLE EAST
youknowhoiam1982 1 year ago
@Mark56Buehrleowns
Agreed, his girlfriend / partner was a real fucking Bitch for turning on him like that.
degree7 1 year ago
Sometimes what is best is not what is right. The right thing to do was to return Amanda to her mother, although it was probably best not to do that. Casey Afflek was hired by the girl's Aunt to find Amanda. What's the moral value to her of knowing her niece is alive?
I like how at the end of the film Casey Afflek is taking responsibility for his decision by helping to watch out for Amanda.
coronamundi 1 year ago 3
People have different morals and ethics, beliefs.
JackLivesTogether 1 year ago
everyone has his opinion, i don't know and i'll never know what would i do in this situation. What i know is that Casey's character was sure in his desicion cause even when the woman he loves told him that she would hate him he didn't change his desicion.. amazing movie...
WD1991b 1 year ago
great american movie all in all
roninstar 1 year ago
One word....toupe.
bstnguy9 1 year ago
I remember watchin this movie and almost yellin at the TV "Do NOT turn back that girl 2 her mother!!!"
JustHenryThe8th 1 year ago
*SPOILER ALERT* *SPOILER ALERT* Right from the beginning I KNEW the Ed Harris played character was one of the bad guy -_-
shoothelpmeany1 1 year ago
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@shoothelpmeany1 There are no real "bad guys" in this movie.
That's what makes it complex and good.
kiwimangum 1 year ago
@will1one, yes good people died, but they died for a good cause and what they believed was right. Like the soldiers we sent to fight for our freedom. They decided to fight for a good cause. It may be the law, but the law is flawed. You can't enable a bad situation and justify it by hiding behind the law. I agree we have laws to keep our society in check but some cases the law fails those who are innocent
restoregurl 1 year ago
@restoregurl but amanda was never hurt by helene.. sure helene's a bitch.. but she's still the mom of the child, and what if she did change? its not fair for her.. who were they to decide amanda's future?? i get they were trying to do something good for amanda.. but the way they did it was just wrong.. if someone were to rob a bank because his child is really sick and needs medical attention, does that make it right? because no matter how good your cause is, you're still gonna hurt people
WILL1ONE 1 year ago 3
How the hell would you know that? For all you know, Casey Affleck might worship his wife.
CodyC6969 1 year ago
What the f*%k! Now you ruined the movie for me.
ianwrobel 1 year ago
@ianwrobel it says in the title "ending" are you retarded?
jim2738426 1 year ago
Amy Ryan was really good in this movie.
herynnamazing19 1 year ago
amazing movie. tough decision. The best works really question your morals, just like this. There is no clear cut right or wrong, its ugly all over. Thats why this movie is amazing
acmilanchamp28 1 year ago
my heart is burnin for some crack rock!
yo nigga!
where dat crack rock at mother fucker!
smoke that shit!
RimlandThesis 1 year ago
Pause at :59
Isn't that Jim Caviezel? If it isn't, then it must be his long-lost twin...the resemblance is uncanny.
brownsound07 1 year ago
The mother shouldn't have gotten the kid back. Fucking junkie.
hellraiza81 1 year ago
This movie is amazing and Amanda is adorable
Sps7890 1 year ago
Does the movie ever explain why not one of these characters ever bothered to dial social services? I'm thinking mainly of the two private investigators here, because if Michelle Monaghan is so indignant about Casey Affleck's final choice, and he himself is so tortured by it...well, it just seems like one lousy phone call could save all of these people a lot of grief.
spaceawesome22 1 year ago
@spaceawesome22 Judging by the fact that michelle has just moved out, and that Helene is going on a date with somebody who she met through all the media press, it's most likely that Casey Affleck is visiting her probably a few days to maybe a week after the whole ordeal. By his expression after realizing that Helene didn't even know Amanda's doll's name, he's thinking "fuck..." but it really raises the question about what's wrong and what's right.
shegwin 1 year ago
Patrick made the right call. The bottom line is that she was stolen. Yeah Helene is a shitty parent, and she should be reported to social services and then a good family can legally obtain custody of Amanda. This plot is absurd if you think about it, did Doyle think he would never run into anyone he knew ever again? Everyone in the Boston area knows her photo.
jc790 1 year ago 3
@jc790 yeah your right ..if he didnt intend on home schooling her..then it wouldnt work
SuperPwnage321 1 year ago
@jc790 he was trying to move away.. they were packing before patrick showed up..
WILL1ONE 1 year ago
Great ending wow best moving ending ever by far.
leroyjenkinson 1 year ago
Casey Affleck is absolutly one of the best actors of the modern era...
CharmingSage 2 years ago
Love this film, almost unbearable.
2210ethan 2 years ago
Fuck this, this fuckin thing frustrates the hell out of me. Its dumb mother fuckers like Patrick who think that kids should be with their biological drunken, drug addicted mothers and live a life in the slums to repeat the fuckin cycle. When there are good people out there who are unselfish and give her a good life. The ending summarizes her life left alone on a couch while mom is out fucking and drinking. You fuckin dumb fuckin cunts like Patrick are selfish, you can't forgive yourselffucku
restoregurl 2 years ago
@restoregurl what about cheese? chris mullen? skinny ray? they all died to cover the whole thing up.. plus doyle was being selfish, he only wanted to take care of her to replace his child, it wasnt right.. i feel bad for doyle and lionel and also amanda but thats the law.. you cant put it in your own hands..
WILL1ONE 1 year ago 2
uugh the ending frustrated me so much. i was so torn, damn patrick and his moral compass. lol but my family was arguing over this too. i for one think they should have left amanda with the cop, patricks GF put it best, the life she described for the girl would have made everything worth it, and seeing the end with the girls terrible mother and her sitting on the couch, i realised that altho patrick made the "right" decision, it wasnt the best, atleast not for amanda. plus it ruined his life.
livexthexlife192 2 years ago
@livexthexlife192 Look at the means to achieve such a simple task though. A.) Three respectable police officers conspired a ransom, kidnapping. B.) They murdered two people. C.) Although Doyle was not directly involved in the ransom and murders, he sure as hell knew about it. It's possible Amanda could've lived a better life, but look at the destruction involved. Lionel coulda just called child services. Plus look at it this way, Doyle kidnaps a girl to replace his dead daughter.
shegwin 1 year ago 2
My favorite movie in the whole entire world!! Totally amazing and beautifully done!
rossingtongary 2 years ago 2
Also, like patrick's gf said, "here she can have sleepovers, and we know she'll be happy. We know she'll be happy because we will check up on her. We will know what school she goes to. We'll know she gets to hang out with friends and have birthday parties" (FYI: thats not what she said exactly, but similar to it)
SuperPwnage321 2 years ago
This is the best movie in the world. As far as where is she better off: In reality, and legally, she is supposed to be with her mother. However, for her sake, for amandas sake, and for her future, she'd have a better future with the cop. Its obvious because she will turn out just like her mother, and then she will have a little girl and she'll be out drunk, because thats what Elene was like, and this will continue..the cycle will keep going. However, patricks explanation is very true.
SuperPwnage321 2 years ago
i dont know i can see Amanda turning out fine if patrick were to stick around.
ohdez1991 2 years ago
the mother was an alcoholic
she was loving, but she was always running off somewhere never really CARING for her child He realized at the end what he done. he cant get her back into a good home like that, now shes stuck with a mother who CANNOT change.
supah1337B 2 years ago 3
This is one of the best movies ever made in my opinion
tinkabellastar 2 years ago 31
the whole point is he grew up in the same area where the little girl did and he turned out fine and had friends who didn't and did but he knew it just wasnt right to take here away from her mother its just not his call
jayteso 2 years ago 5
he totally made the wrong decision. I couldn't agree more with Morgan Freeman's statement "you don't know what the world is made of yet", I've seen the product of Helene's parenting enough to know, sometimes a kidnapping can be justified
firesocks2000 2 years ago 15
I agree. It's not always black and white. Helene didn't seem to change one bit after her daughter was 'rescued'. If such a traumatizing ordeal won't change her... then what will? Nothing.
Mentofresh7 2 years ago 17
It is black and white. No one in that situation has the right to take a daughter away from her mother given nothing illegal is happening. If you want to walk down that road then you are hitting a slippery slope where people just begin taking kids from parents whenever they think they could do better. Sometimes we have the moral duty to act one way regardless of consequences.
365to173repubsPWNED 2 years ago
365to173rupubsPWNED, and sometimes we have the moral duty to act one way regardless if it's legal or not. He did the legal thing. It doesn't make it the right thing.
TheMaleCraft 2 years ago 2
It doesn't NECESSARILY make it the right thing. I agree, but there better be an overwhelming case made for the breaking of law. I see no such case made for Morgan Freeman's character.
365to173repubsPWNED 2 years ago
@TheMaleCraft the legal thing is the right thing, thats why we have rules.. if you'd allow something like this to happen then you allow "theft because a man needed the money" to happen..
WILL1ONE 1 year ago
@Mentofresh7 True sometimes a kidnapping can be justifiable if the mother or guardian is a total douche and dickhead.
GuruGaming98 1 year ago
@Mentofresh7 That's not the point though.
"what I'm not gonna do is have to apologize to a grown woman who comes to me and says: "I was kidnapped when I was a little girl, and my aunt hired you to find me. And you did, you found me with some strange family. But you broke your promise and you left me there. Why? Why didn't you bring me home? Because all the snacks and the outfits and the family trips don't matter. They stole me."
kiwimangum 1 year ago
You obviously are not from Boston growing up in a tough area sometimes make you what you are and you succeed through it. You don't leave family no matter how fucked up they are but you wouldn't understand you aren't from Boston.
jayteso 2 years ago
Replace Boston with "Anytown, USA". Tough areas exist outside of rough and tumble Massachusetts.
RobbieColfax 2 years ago
why dont you come to boston and find out for yourself tough guy
jayteso 2 years ago
@firesocks2000 I disagre -- but it's the question that makes it such a great movie/ending
TomFromJersey 1 year ago
@firesocks2000 "You found me with some strange family...the snacks and the outfits and family trips don't matter. It wasn't my family...you knew better and you did nothing." He may have made the right decision or may not have. Both sides have awful consequences. I don't think that there is a "totally wrong" decision. (Not trying to make an arguement, just thought I'd add my thoughts, and his.) =-)
acmilanchamp28 1 year ago
@acmilanchamp28 i think you're right.. but i also think doyle had to go to jail, they set up cheese so that they could get away, that was just wrong..
WILL1ONE 1 year ago
@firesocks2000 totally agreed...i'd never seen the movie until just now. It'll bother me for days..he fucked up and he knew it. what a waste..I felt horrible for the little girl.
actuary33 1 year ago
@firesocks2000 you got it wrong.. a kidnapping can never be justified.. the ends never justify a means.. patrick was right when he said he shouldve just called child services, there were other ways of saving amanda.. how about cheese? they killed him to frame him, can that be justified?
WILL1ONE 1 year ago
@firesocks2000 Then like he said, you call social services. You don't kidnap children from their families, even if one of them is complicit.
kryptoknightmare 1 year ago
@firesocks2000
Dude, he made the right decision the righteous decision, that daughters place is with her mother whether shes a good mother or not, a mother can understand the true pain of her children and either ways he kidnapped her at one place when Affleck says,"You think she wasn't good mother you should call the social security" they would've handle her, kidnapping was never a right decision at the first place.
Thats what I think, nonetheless one of the greatest movies ever.
meankhan 7 months ago
he didnt make the right decision. it wasnt right for anyone! the ending is so sad :(
superlittleboots 2 years ago
thats what is so sad about this movie. Patrick made the right choice, but he is going to have to live with it for the rest of her life. And oh yea...protection services dude? really? then she would have really been lost.
Achilles6454 2 years ago
Don't worry Patrick. You made the right decision. If he truly loved the child, and wanted the best for her, he would have called protection services, and not been so selfish. Yes, I sympathise with him losing a child of his own, but abducting another woman's child is NEVER the right thing to do!
benchwarmerbenji 2 years ago 3
to benchwarmerbenji, you are right that abducting a woman's child is wrong, but that was not Patrick's dilemma. It was is she better off now or with her mother? To me he knew she was better off, but he couldn't let the crime go. It was more important to him to expose the truth than do what was right for the child. The kidnapping is one thing. Truth vs. Keeping a Secret is quite another.
TheMaleCraft 2 years ago
Q. Is she better off now or with the mother?
A. The mother. Nobody can "know" how a child is going to turn out, or whether or not an irresponsible mother can change her lifestyle (the movie realizes that people don't change overnight, but Helene and Amanda's future is uncertain). But even if she doesn't. There are Protection Services available.Exposing the truth has nothing to do with his decision. A child was taken against her mother's will, and a society that allows that to happen is corrupt!
benchwarmerbenji 2 years ago 3
not necessarily true. the last scene of the movie clearly implies that the child is not better off with this particular mother. She's going out on a date with some guy and didn't even get a babysitter beforehand. The last dialogue, when amanda says her favorite doll's name is annabelle, NOT maribelle, that implies the mother doesn't even know the name of her daughter's favorite doll. In this particular case, Amanda was better with the cop, even though he took the law into his own hands.
licatoa5947 2 years ago
My response to your comment would be very similar to the one you have just replied to. Read what my comment says (including the part about Protection Services) and tell me where I am wrong!
benchwarmerbenji 2 years ago
i think ur argument about no one being able to truly "know" how a child in that type of environment is going to end up is naive. it's a cop-out for saying "legally she belongs with the irresponsible mother, and so, let's take the chance and cross out fingers that she'll end up stable and not like her mother." there's more than enough evidence to prove that that type of parental figure paired with a "every man for his own" environment is not a great place for a child to grow up in.
licatoa5947 2 years ago
continued: the fact that you look at this story and are willing to take the chance on amanda's life by placing her back in her mother's hands - a mother who obviously still has not learned to put her child's interests before her own - is very sad. and your comment about child protection services is extremely naive, yet again. ya, put her there and she'll definitely be better off in the system. i do want to clear up, however, that i don't think what the cop did was right. the law is there
licatoa5947 2 years ago
for a reason and people can't just go out and kidnap kids even though they will be better off in other particular environments. i'm simply arguing in the case of the movie, for when this type of battle between what is legal and what is moral arises, too many other factors come into play for me to take one side
licatoa5947 2 years ago
First off. I expressed absolutely no concern over the fact that the child "legally belongs to the mother." And I certainly do not believe one should "chance and cross their fingers" on how a child should turn out. Putting words into my mouth and calling me naive is a fairly shallow way of making your own arguments sound more attractive, and I'd ask that you please not do it again.
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benchwarmerbenji 2 years ago
My concern is not that the child legally belongs to the mother. It is that she has been snatched from her mother and is being taken in by a couple that, instead of reporting the abusive nature of the environment she was living in, decided to have her snatched and taken into their own home without parental or legal consent. Which puts the child at even "greater risk" of being further abused in future, as child-protection services (and police) are then more likely to overlook the
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benchwarmerbenji 2 years ago
abusive environment that she started out with. If they had called child-protection services, it would have been a much safer option for the child all-round. And I can't say I completely understand what you mean when you say "put her there and she'll definitely be better off in the system."
Yeah, I believe she would be way better off in the company of those who have dedicated their lives to providing a safe and healthy environment for children. This couple has taken the child in,
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benchwarmerbenji 2 years ago
having put their own selfish interests in front of the child. I see no way around that fact. It may be understandable that they wanted a child so badly, having tragically lost one of their own. But the fact remains, they have put the child at grave risk, because (despite the excuses Doyle makes for them) they failed to consider the long-term consequences of their actions that would impact on the child!
benchwarmerbenji 2 years ago
okay, just to clear it up then, you're not necessarily looking at this from a moral standpoint, but from a legal and "just" one - by placing her in child protection services since the mother is obviously a delinquent? am i correct then? my problem is that YOU don't understand the long term consequences that can arise from her being with the mother or being in child protection services. if she stays with the mother in that type of environment, she is more than likely to not meet her safety needs,
licatoa5947 2 years ago
social needs, etc. There are more than enough case studies to prove that the chances of amanda ending up with all the basic needs she deserves and the cop was able to give would not happen. with a mother like that and an environment full of drugs, violence, and self-sustainability, that is fact. so then, since you accept this, now you're telling me that it was not right for the cop to take her. i agree, but when patrick is faced with the dilemma between keeping her with the cop and doing the
licatoa5947 2 years ago
right thing - which is to give her back to the mother because she promised to change during the horrific and stressful time period that amanda was missing - he does the right thing. but he lives in guilt, knowing that she would have been much more stable and loved in the cop's household. True that maybe his love is misguided due to his own daughter's murder, but that doesn't make his ability to provide for and love amanda less dependable.
licatoa5947 2 years ago
then, you say, put her child protection services. luckily, i have personal experience in that area - my aunt being a social worker who is employed in the governmental agency - and more than often have we had conversations about politics, her work, etc. there are benefits and success stories to the cps, but my aunt has often said that many people looking in from the outside with no personal knowledge of the way the system operates view the cps as positive. true that caring people work there, but
licatoa5947 2 years ago
that is not the problem. the system is the problem. and once the child is released from that area and placed into a home - a home which so often is laden with other neglected children -, how then is that the best possible situation for amanda? since you acknowledge she is neglected, why is being with the cop not the best environment for her to grow up in. just in the case of the movie, disregarding the legal boundaries the cop crossed, he was able to offer her much more than her own kin was.
licatoa5947 2 years ago 4
That scene breaks my heart when Casey Affleck and Michelle
Monaghan are talking about what to do with the girl.
MikeHelehel 2 years ago 3
casey affleck was so amazing in this scene...
chocofiend88 2 years ago 33
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You were so amazing in this scene... wha
Veepar 2 years ago
Wrong.
Casey Affleck was so amazing in this movie...
DarkReaper1994 1 year ago