So, you live in a country with one of the highest standards of living on Earth, in one of the most liberal democracies the world has ever seen, and you have the gall to talk about your 'lack of rights'? What are you not free to do? Other than "HURR SMOKE WEED ERRYDAY GAIS I SO COOL", of course.
@Whyd0ch Yo, you should start paying attention to what your gov't does, il start with corrupt FED, Obama passing NDAA ( you have no rights now, just like the Patriot Act), and soon to pass Enemy Expiration Act. What free society you talking about, I like to know...
Fuck this, Enough with sides; left, right, up, down. when it's too late, it'll be more then waiting every two years until you sign a slip of useless paper that makes you believe you're choosing a non-pre-determined candidate. Ya, I obsessed on Ron Paul after watching Michael Badnarik who got me interested in the political game. Either mobile action is taken by the people, or massive suppression is achieved by martial law. Don't wait for a man in office to help you, that's not enough. Prepare.
I kinda agree. But there's still a problem. Libertarianism talks about respect for property. But a lot of people are born into families who have none.
@EmotionalIntrovert Maybe they would say that the Constitution gives you the right to "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness." Yes sometimes families aren't born with property. Sometimes people are happy with having no property then that is their "pursuit of happiness."But for people that want property which will undoubtedly make them happier then they must pursue it.
@EmotionalIntrovert I guess our Founding Fathers knew ahead of time, or maybe they even saw it back then that you aren't born with property. But, if you want it you must pursue it.
@Acclamatar A system of Minarchism would probably be ideal. (State exists to serve it's most basic functions; Protecting against fraud, providing a court, providing a national defense and little else)
@N0WAR1337 oh yea and what are you? Some broke fool who lives off tax dollers and leeches off the government? Sorry that the Libertarian party doesn't believe in handouts :/
@heavenonthewaydown Depends on the individual. Typically they are pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, but it varies a bit. Libertarians that believe that the fetus is a human life will be against abortion because the baby has rights. Those that don't believe it is a human life will be pro-choice. Most libertarians don't like legislation against gay marriage, but many feel that the government shouldn't be legislating ANY marriage in any respect.
i keep seeing people using the word democratic ? Where is that ? Usa ? UK ? How can we be living in a democratic society when laws are made and decided by big business. Banks and foundations. We have never had democracy in my lifetime. Freedom ? We are free to go to work and pay taxes. Now you are paying for fema and tsa to protect you by restricting your movements. Spying on you. And believe me. THEY WILL LOCK YOU UP. money well spent i think.
The problem wityh Libertarian is they go to far in some ways. Remember Freedom is NOT a virtue, it's a question of what it's ised for??? Civil Liberties are great & all, but when you exercise your civil liberties and they harm someone else, or infringe on someone elses civil liberties, then that should be the end of the Libertarian arguement. Everything is about BALANCING the rights of the Individual with the rights of Society.
@andy77718 Freedom is always a virtue. Abuse of a right doesn't mean that right is flawed. The rights of a society ARE the rights of the individual. There is no distinction. If one person isn't free to do something they have a right to, no one is free to do it in that society. Only intentional harm (or reasonable neglect) that interferes with someone's rights should be illegal. Me flipping you off would not be a violation of your rights because you have no right to not be offended.
@MrRedtubelover he was a Libertarian Socialist (feel free to look it up) which seems like a contradiction but then again the idea of right-wing Libertarianism technically is a contradiction in terms aswell
@MrRedtubelover Careful, keep in mind that when you say socialist, most people think communist and when they think communist, they really mean Stalinist.
For over 100 years libertarians have been anarchist communists, socialists and unionists. These loony U.S. "libertarians" (anarcho-capitalists) are the anarchists' evil twin, borrowing many of their ideas except the crucial one about social hierarchy and capitalism. No sane person would vote for their slave utopia or live under it. Their definition of liberty is the ability of one person to exploit, impoverish and enslave their neighbor with the help of the state. Let's not even go into Orwell.
@dab0331 How do explain 100 years of libertarian socialism? Socialism allows for democratic STATE control of the means of production and/or direct ownership of the means of production through workplace democracy. Socialism goes back hundreds of years and doesn't have a narrow definition beyond the broad desire to allow the worker to profit fairly from his labor. Anarcho-capitalism requires courts and police to enforce "voluntary" contracts between "free" individuals. What would that lead to?
@TheForwardGaze capitalism isn't to blame and socialism isn't the answer becuz socialism is the problem.
we don't have true free market capitalism.
capitalism doesn't just mean private ownership of the means of production. it also means private profit and PRIVATE LOSES.
NOT private profits and SOCIALIZED LOSES, which is what we have now.
the great depression happened becuz the Federal reserved bailed others and gav easy credit which led to massive MALINVESTMENT and then to the market crash.
@TheForwardGaze and then when the market crashed the Feds and their cronies corporations bought back those companies for pennies on the dollar.
that is the whole objective of the D.C. backed Federal Reserve.. to implode the economy with the help of the gun of the government and consolidate it at a cheaper price.
BTW, I think it is slightly shady to quote Orwell, as if he was one of you Libertarians. He in fact was a very staunch democratic socialist. Read his writings on the anarchist revolution in the Spanish Civil War to get a flavor of his political ideas.
Libertarianism presupposes that there is some intrinsic duty hanging out there in the universe to never initiate force under any circumstances, and it also assumes (by pure coincidence, haha!) that everyone has a natural, magical right to private property that transcends all social contracts, agreements, and institutions.
Libertarianism is just too absurd an ethical philosophy to take seriously. It's no wonder that almost no credible PhD ethicists or moral philosophers hold to it.
I think about the joining the Libertarian party half the time because I agree with everything in principle, but the nagging voice of reality keeps telling me the views of the party would lead to a divisive and counterproductive society. Some people need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the current century, and the backstabbing snake oil salesmen need to be kept in line, if the nation as a whole is going to move forward and compete in today's global market. Am I misrepresenting?
Governemnts legitimacy comes from the people...the INDIVIDUAL people who have the rights and who entrust the governemnt to protect them objectively. The Government has no rights apart from those of the individuals who created it....and when it beomes the prime rights violator ITSELF then the people are morally justified and empowered to remove that Governemnt and institute something better fitting the task of protecting their rights.
@perdondaris ..Wrong, a Libertarian knows that man IS a social animal...and that the rights of the individual need defining and protecting from others in society who would violate them. Its to free people from the oppression of other people that the Libertarian exists and advocates for samll,rights protecting Government..as the Constitution so magnificently stated. It is FORCED collectivism that is wrong and deadly..not voluntary collective action..thats in fact the market at work.
When it comes to the American public school system you are free to choose. There are private schools you can send your child to the have scholarships. Sending their kids to public schools is a choice some parents make. Using the post office is choice you make. A public option in health care is a choice you can make. Getting rid of public options (like public schools) is restricting your choice. Therefore getting rid of public things limits your freedom to choose.
@perdondaris No it is not "choice" if you are forced to PAY for the public services you have no intention of using, and which are protected by law from competition.
Small problem with Libertarians the rich have no rules and tend to step on the rest of us. Hard. In my opinion it does not tend to work. You got Atlas Shrugged I got Bioshock.
This is the misconception used by socialists and communists to defame capitalism. True capitalism believes in equal treatment concerning any individual in that we all have the same human rights, and we should all be able to live the life we see fit. Socialism limits the 'middle class' by taking out competition and destroying small and big businesses and merging us into two social classes. Us, the poor, and the government officials being the rich.
@WanderingTaoist101 Bio shock is not libertarian its anarchism. Libertarians believethat government has a limited role in protecting property rights. That also includes protection of ones self.ADAM was created by implanting sea slug into the stomachs of the little sister after birth to produce ADAM. This is a violation of the right to self. Hence it is illegal this would never happen in libertarian society. Hence youre argument on bioshock is invalid rapture is anarchism not libertarian.
@WanderingTaoist101 In a libertarian society businessmen do have rules its called free market competition and the invisible hand u might want to look it up. In the society we currently live today there is plenty of regulations to give protections to workers, but instead you get markets that cant reach its equilibrium and business buying out government. Thats y they are called Lobbyists. Y is it that Hong Kong is rated the most free nation in the world has an unemployment rate of only 3.4
@WanderingTaoist101 ..In a free market the rich have to follow the same rules as everyone else..its in the current state controlled crony coprotist enviroment where political power is on offer to the highest corporate bidder that you find those "rich" being shielded and subsidised by their bought off politicians. In a free market the state is seperate form the economy...so politicians have nothing to offer the businessman looking for favours. Libertarians are mostly middle class people,not rich.
A Christian, a Jew etc. places more value in the words of his deity than greed. You will notice how often philosophers denote greed as the worst of vices. For the religious, there is no freedom but following God's law first. Libertarians believe in a society driven by greed and managed by corporate bureaucrats. Thus when a theologian says you aren't allowed to do things which go against God's will, the State trumps your individual will. Your fellow lib Rushdoony explains this in his books.
@ssmusic214 I care about this "drivel". What do you think is going to happen to religious minorities and atheists when all public schools become private Christian academies? What about public libraries that are now owned by private businessmen? They will throw away all of the books they personally don't like. What is going to happened when all the public roads are privatized and businessmen get to decide who can drive on them? Do you actually think out your philosophy?
@ssmusic214 The teachers' unions push propaganda like that to make sure that people hate any non-public schools because they knew that if people had choices there would be an uprising for change.
shanedk is a great libertarian. he is so respectful of other peoples freedoms. it's too bad the world is full of people who are homophobs, bigots, and youtube comment flooders like me. they tend to oppress other peoples freedoms. so, all you who read these comments, don't listen to me. everyone listen to this guy. ;)
@MegaKobraKai Actually libertarianism is more like the actual definition of socialism than political socialism is. Because in a libertarian society, in order to make a living, you need to go out and socialize via voluntary human interaction, whereas in a socialist society, you can collect welfare via the state using violence, death threats, and coercion to point a gun at someone and force them to pay for you to sit in your home instead of interacting with society.
@CelticAlphabet lol, be careful not to step in the bullshit. I life in a ''socialist'' country and I can tell you right now that what you are saying is complete and utter nonsense.
We still have to work for our money, only when you are disabled or when you can not find a job, does one get a welfare cheque. I'm a student, part of my education is paid for by the state. You have no idea how grateful I am for that. Without it, I would not have been able to study at the university.
@wcprocom Not being able to find a job implies you are or have been looking for one.. You can't just sit on the couch and cash a welfare cheque, it doesn't work like that. But he, if you would rather life in a tent next to the highway because you lost your job.. Your choice.
@evildeathmonkey1 it takes somebody with a full time job to make sure you are looking for a job and should get a check for not finding a job... seems messed up.
P.S. You also have no understanding of economics at all. Every dollar the gov't spends misallocates resources sending bad signals to investors and creating a lag in a constantly self-repairing system called the free market. Welfare, in any for, actually does more to destroy the poor more than you could ever could know. It causes prices of essential goods & services to go up and up like education and healthcare. Charities are part of the freemarket too dipshit.
I'm not a member of the libertarian party( yet ). But this philosophy is the best political philosophy on earth. And when the Mayans speak of 2012 as a new age, they are talking about Ron Paul.
@Logistica11735 The problem is that when you enact gun laws, the only people who abide by them are law abiding citizens who wouldn't have abused those rights in the first place. Criminals don't care if guns are illegal, they use them anyway.
Is it wrong of me to consider myself a libertarian, in stating that people should not own guns? I'm for individual freedom in everything else, but why the hell does someone need a machine gun, lol these weapons are designed to kill. I think people should be allowed to use a weapon, for hunting, sport, but not own one. Like, you would rent 1, and use it on your property, go to the club, or hunt with it, but not keep it .
Property is determined by the limited knowledge of court judges. If you and your neighbor have a dispute over the property line separating your two properties you have to go to a judge to arbitrate. He makes the decision based on his knowledge. If his knowledge is faulty (because of his greed or his ignorance) you may lose your property. Going to a judge to arbitrate is a form of collectivism. If you don't like the judge's decision you will have to use force to maintain your "property".
@MegaKobraKai Libertarianism is privilege for a few that don't have to work. Which is why it is the favorite philosophy of trust fund spoiled brats who produce nothing of any particular value. No human society has ever existed without collectivist values. Capitalism is a system based on collectivist values. Socialism means the representation of all who contribute to society to society's wealth.When it comes to property rights possession 9/10s of the law.Property is an abstraction based on force.
@perdondaris Property is not an abstraction based on force, it is based on acceptance. It is based on force from a statist view. It does not mean that there is no collective interest with libertarianism about values, the most important value they forget to mention: the non-aggression principle.
"Libertarians typically claim that the non-aggression principle includes property and freedom of contract as a part of self-ownership, and that any interference is equivalent with aggression."
A libertarian capitalist is someone who wants slaves for their corporate plantations. When everything is privately owned you cannot protest anything. Just think, if the Saudi King owned the National Mall Glenn Beck would not have been able to hold his hatefest there. Everyone is a collectivist. Using money is collectivist. Speaking a common language is collectivist. The only way you can't be collectivist is if you live on an island by yourself with no contact with the rest of the world.
People who think Canada is socialist are mistaken. We're headed toward full-blown dictatorship if people don't see through the lies our gvmt tells and start questioning the money they are spending on tools of control. 1984 is Harper's modus operandi.
@LaughingMage Not quite true. Depends on if you're talking about democratic socialists or just socialists. Example: Spain has been ruled by the Socialist Party for the last few years, Portugal too. Neither of them are dictatorships. They're both multi-party democracies and the democratic socialists in both countries got into power through free elections. Socialism as a dictatorship was what you had in the old USSR, or modern day Cuba. Big difference.
@WS1739 - When it comes to American republicans which I'm assuming you're referring to, there are two that are much closer to Libertarians than Republicans for the religious reasons.... Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. I love them both.
@TheDude94168 It's not worth losing the wonderful things you have to get rid of a few freeloaders. The solution? Hire social workers, and threaten to cut peoples benefits if they don't go through education programs and get working.
@TheDude94168 As an American, I say: DON'T LET THEM DO IT.
Look at our healthcare system. Look at our people marching lockstep to lies! Look at fox news and their propaganda broadcasts! Look at everything wrong with America, south of your borders, and you'll see what a Libertarian Canada would look like.
Don't let them sacrifice the things that make your country great on the altar of greed!
@WS1739 As an American, I say I will take that libertarian stuff over socialism anytime. I want independence not a soft tyranny government like our current one. MSNBC and CNN brainwash everyone against those who try to expose the left. The mainstream media is the propaganda machine for the government. Go Canada, free yourselves!!
@WS1739 you assume tv is my sole source of information. Your first mistake. second you can learn from bullshit too, and you can even learn from those who attempt to brainwash you. Sun Tzu tells us to study your adversary so you know their ways and tactics. That's why I spy on MSNBC.
@weseyedwalk libertarians are selfish and doesnt care anyone but themselves. They dont know the human complexity and our role in a society. They need to go and educate themselves before talk shit. I bet you are a redneck, christian, racist, conservative, republican, tea party supporter, nazi, fascist, who are in favor of pro gun, death penalty, and hate gays, lesbians, liberals, socialists, democrats, communists, blacks, immigrants, arabs, etc. Doesnt care about the environment & animal rights
@bryoneill11 Nope your wrong about me, except for the conservative part, but the rest your wrong about ('m not even white, genius). I bet you are an intolerant redneck liberal freedom hating, communist fascism loving, Hitler socialist party following, muslim, totalitarian ideological statist that would be happy to see our constitution and bill of rights' demise. I'm already educated and cultured but I don't hate my country like you do. Go move to China or Iran and do us all a favor.
True libertarians believe in separation of church and state, freedom of (and from) religion, and would not support candidates who would use political clout to push religious agendas.
@Blahb27 To assert that Libertarianism has an American context and that it is religious zealotry is both laughable, insulting and harmful. Libertarianism is what it is. If a group of self-described Libertarians go around trying to enforce their religious preference on others they are simply hypocrites and not Libertarians. There is no complexity to this topic and to say otherwise is to deceive others through language.
@MegaKobraKai Not necessarily. At least in the American context, libertarians are also religious zealots who strongly support forcing their religious views and practises onto other people. Their anti-choice views for instance even violates human rights (right of integrity of the body).
So much like extreme socialism supports forcing economical measures, libertarism forces religious and social views onto other people. In this, extreme socialism/communism and libertarism are the same.
"A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs, which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell numbers..... And if there are those that cannot subscribe to these principles, then let them go their way." Ronald Reagan.
I believe that individuals should have maximal freedom, but that corperations needs to be strictly regulated by government, or corperations may become our new masters.
@death9719 I think what you're trying to say is that capitalism is so 19th century and it needs to go away. Statism requires a monopoly of force by way of the government. Why is it that we let people starve and die in the world just because of "inflation"? Why is there a global scarcity created around resources when our planet has an actual abundance? These are valid questions.
This video is diametrically opposed to what the Libertarians stand for as of late. (propaganda)
people should be free to live their own lives as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. the government claims people still have rights, but i think new laws are being created so authorities can go around those rights. although some laws are necessary, like murder and kidnapping, some laws are only there for control. the government controls too much of peoples lives. freedom isn't free at all.
"The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it". -John Hay
@death9719: Wealth is just another word for things. Wealth is merely having a great many things. We need things to live; food, water, shelter, etc. If we can control those things we need to live, then we own them. Laws governing property rights merely codify & regularize the acquisition of those things we need to live. If you can not control the things needed to control your life, someone then does. You are thus of necessity his slave. You are really quite deluded.
@death9719: "Mutualist?" Lolololol! I'm no-nonsensist, therefore I oppose everything you stand for. I really have no interest in hearing about your cloud-coo-coo Land fantasy world. Go live on Hard Rock Candy Mt. w/ the fuzzy bunnies & pink clouds. Say hello to the magic peace fairies for me as you dance in fields of clover all day long.
@VictorLepanto fantasy like capitalism in new york every day thousands line up for a few hundred jobs, isn't capitalism wonderful. look at Guatemala we coupled there DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED LEADER for trying to help his leader by getting local companies into the banana bis at the expense of chikita. Africa starves for our comfort. theres not a mine blown sky high but were buried alive for another's wealth
@death9719: If there was intended to be some coherent idea in that incomprehensible collage of words, please specify those ideas. I'd like to hear any ideas you actually wish to convey. Once you have some please repost me. I really can't discern the mystical hidden meaning of your previous post.
@VictorLepanto we are comfertable at the cost of african babies, we are monsters, capitalism kills kids, look at darfur, a company that sold guns to both sides used its power to create war and kill peace talks. or in the U.S glock, i think it was. did the same with the north and the south.
and to quote the I.W.W song theres never a mine blown sky high now but were buried alive for you (mine the rich)
@death9719: I do hope you one day learn to write in the English language. Until then I wait for you to get back to me. As for Darfur, it is Saudi Arabia the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA which funds the regime of Sudan. Sudan used to be a colony of Egypt, back when they were a colony of the Soviet Union. Learn a little real history.
@death9719: Why would they want wars when that would kill their customers? If you have two enemies & both are buying weapons, if they fight one will be defeated & thus no longer be a customer. The victor won't need your weapons (at least not as much) b/c he no longer has an enemy. I'd like you to look up a little subject called logic, it is a marvelous thing. It would improve your thinking greatly.
@death9719 Capitalism gives you FREE choice to buy anything you want, like that computer you're using. It's only when government gets its greedy hands involved that our liberty and economic success are compromised. FREE MARKETS=GOOD. GOVERNMENT=BAD. You know, the reason our American Revolution was sparked was because everyone was immigrating to the colonies due to the face the we had such free-markets? The king didn't like that and started regulating. We went to war over this shit! Commie...
@shanewolfe610 corporations are gov they have armies start wars (Iraqi oil, the Guatemala coup) and they need the world to trade, so if a market is closed they push in using gov. all companies want gov to help them. without gov they would collapse. i believe in a market were you either own a means of production as an individual or as part of a democratically run collective company. and goods are traded for there value not profit.
@duffbeer360 whats wrong with transferring federal power back to the states and to the citizens? Return the Country back to the Constitution, the Founding Fathers, i believe would support Ron Paul.
im fine with paying taxes but im not fine with having a big government tell me what to do and waging wars and handing out all of our tax money to prop up countries that hate us.
*I was gonna say, she seems to boast knowing a lot about politics considering she sounds very passionate in her fight against capitalism for some reason so I assumed that she went through some prestigious Keynesian brainwashing course at Yale or something. Maybe she's even more stupid than I thought though.
In some other post she boasted about her experience in "workers controlling means of production" by working in co-op bookstore. Yale graduate working as bookstore clerk sounds totally hilarious.....
Ms Sexy Socialist. Despite your average to average-to-cute looks, you are not as important as you think you are. Just because you feel prestigious with your diploma and you took some political science class doesn't mean you know shit about politics. It's so sad to see people so easily brainwashed into thinking Keynesianism is a good idea. Hint: Democrats are just as corrupt as Republicans! Libertarians like Ron Paul are the only ones fighting for freedom.
@ssmusic214 Well considering that she seems to boast knowing a lot about politics, apparently loves socialism, and for some reason she is a "one-woman crusade against capitalism, statism, and imperialism".
But just because you take a college course from some ignorant socialist Keynesian professor and adopt their perverted views doesn't make you an intellect. How do you fight a free market? It's corporatism we fight, not capitalism. Obama stands for imperialism, statism, and corporatism...
@MegaKobraKai Whatever Socialism and Libertarianism meant in 1800 is absolutely irrelevant. Those were pure fantasies that never had anything to do with reality.
Socialism is Government mandatory redistribution of wealth.
Libertarianism is Limiting Government infringement into the rights of private individuals (including property rights). 2 diametrically opposite concepts.
Everything else about those are buzzwords, slogans, empty phraseology.
As a libertarian, I have to say I'm somewhat put off by this vid as it comes off as party propoganda I've come to expect out of the Democrate and Republican camps. It's just a bunch of strung along vague sound-bits without being actually informative about what it actually means to be a libertarian. Really, just replace "Libertarian" with Democrate or Republican in this vid, and you won't see any difference from their propoganda vids and this one. =/
@DiegoValadez1771 Yeah, because pointing out two typoes is going to prove your point. Oh yeah, you don't have one. Just because an individual wants to see a reduction in government so it can focus on consolidating itself within its own borders, I'm afraid does not make them "right wing".With government I wish it to be reduced, but in regards to social issues -- I'm greatly liberal. I'm afraid that does not make me "ring wing", unless you want to be infantile with labels out of your ignorance.
i dunno, the only example of a true libertarian state today is Somalia. not really a ringing endorsement. I'll take Swedish, Danish, Japanese, Finnish and Norwegian social democracy any day of the week.
Being a Libertarian means freedom of choice, where your government gives you a choice to do something (say smoke marijuana or not smoke marijuana) rather than force you not to do it (current federal marijuana policy)
libertarianism favors some citizens more than others. it may take power out of the hands of the government but it puts it into the power of the rich. libertarianism turns into total capitalism. Anarchism is libertarianism for everyone (not just the rich)
@smallen642 Well, obviously moderated capitalism is the most realistic system, even if its not perfect. It's a hell of a lot better then what we had 150 years ago.
@smallen642 You are simply ignorant of history. Even republicans in the 1800s acknowledged that Wage Slaver existed. And please, don't try to tell me that it's better to be "Free" then to be fed. Thats stupid.
If you want a viable alternative, my personal preference is Chomsky-style Anarchy. Capitalist-Anarchism = Mass-Slavery
If a person is forced to work long ours in a factory with no safety standards, health benefits, for little pay or else his family will starve he is not free! This is why in the 19th century "Wage Slavery" was not seen as different from any other kind of slavery.
funnily enough the POWER & FREEDOM never actually goes to the individual, but to business interests who would otherwise be regulated to ensure public & individual safety, before then businesses were unregulated & acted out of responsibility to regulate themselves & guess what! they choose not to.
instead of individuals helping themselves, how about individuals helping other individuals?.
The massive companies derive their power from your wanted regulation. The businesses currently around do not have to get past the huge hurdles that are barriers of entry. Regulation decreases competition, raises prices, and puts power into the hands of the corporations. Nothing has spit on the people more than regulation.
@jeebiskebowski Couldn't agree more, and it hampers corporate success as well, with lesser regulations companies can think outside the box and be free to produce as they please without the State breathing down their backs and profiting from their minds and ability. Its just said there aren't more individuals like you out there fighting misinformation and upholding freedom and the march to the the binding and enslavement of our government to the purpose it originally held.
Philosophers, economists, politicians and thinkers will be aware of Rand’s ideas. Not because they have any meaningful validity, they do not but because they represent a logical expression of minimum government control over the individual. In effect the opposite of totalitarianism. Any “thinking” person soon understands that both produce unsustainable societies. Only by having capitalist, socialist, liberal economy with a free informed people under a democratic system do societies prosper.
I don't really consider myself a libertarian. More a paleo-conservative. Along the lines of Ron Paul and Alex Jones and old style conservative beliefs. Lots of places have tried leftist policies and failed, like socialism/communism. Our own (US) system is failing. I take it Canadas is as well. But I do not even like to get involved in other countries internal politics.
two words green party
the greens are more Libertarian than the liberals
SomeBread7 5 days ago
So, you live in a country with one of the highest standards of living on Earth, in one of the most liberal democracies the world has ever seen, and you have the gall to talk about your 'lack of rights'? What are you not free to do? Other than "HURR SMOKE WEED ERRYDAY GAIS I SO COOL", of course.
Whyd0ch 1 week ago
@Whyd0ch Yo, you should start paying attention to what your gov't does, il start with corrupt FED, Obama passing NDAA ( you have no rights now, just like the Patriot Act), and soon to pass Enemy Expiration Act. What free society you talking about, I like to know...
WeBeItching 2 hours ago
FUCK YEAH!!
envirogrunt 1 week ago
Fuck this, Enough with sides; left, right, up, down. when it's too late, it'll be more then waiting every two years until you sign a slip of useless paper that makes you believe you're choosing a non-pre-determined candidate. Ya, I obsessed on Ron Paul after watching Michael Badnarik who got me interested in the political game. Either mobile action is taken by the people, or massive suppression is achieved by martial law. Don't wait for a man in office to help you, that's not enough. Prepare.
SeventhRisk 2 weeks ago
I AM MOVING TO CANADA TOMORROW!!! AT LEAST SOME PEOPLE GET IT UP THERE!
plasticjesus108 3 weeks ago
@plasticjesus108
There's a Libertarian Party in the US, in case you hadn't noticed, and neither party is influential in either country.
cyberpolice9000 1 week ago
@cyberpolice9000 because stupid people won't join
blackheartsbirth 3 days ago
I kinda agree. But there's still a problem. Libertarianism talks about respect for property. But a lot of people are born into families who have none.
How does a libertarian deals with that?
EmotionalIntrovert 1 month ago
@EmotionalIntrovert Maybe they would say that the Constitution gives you the right to "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness." Yes sometimes families aren't born with property. Sometimes people are happy with having no property then that is their "pursuit of happiness."But for people that want property which will undoubtedly make them happier then they must pursue it.
h3rr0isitm3 1 month ago
@EmotionalIntrovert I guess our Founding Fathers knew ahead of time, or maybe they even saw it back then that you aren't born with property. But, if you want it you must pursue it.
h3rr0isitm3 1 month ago
every ad, no matter what side or what they are promoting, is propoganda. the only way you will get the full 100% truth is by living in the situation.
TheTaylorBarrett 1 month ago
Pure libertarianism could never work.
Acclamatar 1 month ago
@Acclamatar A system of Minarchism would probably be ideal. (State exists to serve it's most basic functions; Protecting against fraud, providing a court, providing a national defense and little else)
bgaudreau89 1 month ago
So they're idiots basically?
N0WAR1337 2 months ago
@N0WAR1337 oh yea and what are you? Some broke fool who lives off tax dollers and leeches off the government? Sorry that the Libertarian party doesn't believe in handouts :/
MichiganManiac5594 3 weeks ago 3
@MichiganManiac5594 Actually, I'm rich. Fuck off Ron Paul dick sucker
N0WAR1337 3 weeks ago
@N0WAR1337 Well aren't you special..lol
MichiganManiac5594 3 weeks ago
@N0WAR1337 Rich AND charming. What'll they think of next.
MrJack687 3 weeks ago
@mracast84 Amen!
justtalkingtomeself 2 months ago
How do they feel about abortion and gay rights?
heavenonthewaydown 2 months ago
@heavenonthewaydown Depends on the individual. Typically they are pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, but it varies a bit. Libertarians that believe that the fetus is a human life will be against abortion because the baby has rights. Those that don't believe it is a human life will be pro-choice. Most libertarians don't like legislation against gay marriage, but many feel that the government shouldn't be legislating ANY marriage in any respect.
vedinthorn 1 month ago
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i keep seeing people using the word democratic ? Where is that ? Usa ? UK ? How can we be living in a democratic society when laws are made and decided by big business. Banks and foundations. We have never had democracy in my lifetime. Freedom ? We are free to go to work and pay taxes. Now you are paying for fema and tsa to protect you by restricting your movements. Spying on you. And believe me. THEY WILL LOCK YOU UP. money well spent i think.
wishfix 2 months ago
A Libertarian: Someone who believes everyone should leave everyone else the fuck alone.
MrAcast84 2 months ago
The problem wityh Libertarian is they go to far in some ways. Remember Freedom is NOT a virtue, it's a question of what it's ised for??? Civil Liberties are great & all, but when you exercise your civil liberties and they harm someone else, or infringe on someone elses civil liberties, then that should be the end of the Libertarian arguement. Everything is about BALANCING the rights of the Individual with the rights of Society.
andy77718 2 months ago
@andy77718 Freedom is always a virtue. Abuse of a right doesn't mean that right is flawed. The rights of a society ARE the rights of the individual. There is no distinction. If one person isn't free to do something they have a right to, no one is free to do it in that society. Only intentional harm (or reasonable neglect) that interferes with someone's rights should be illegal. Me flipping you off would not be a violation of your rights because you have no right to not be offended.
vedinthorn 1 month ago
What is a libertarian? A fool sucked in by a dangerous, despicable ideology.
hess6wi 2 months ago
Just a little point, George Orwell wasn't a libertarian. He was actually in many ways a socialist.
MrRedtubelover 3 months ago
@MrRedtubelover he was a Libertarian Socialist (feel free to look it up) which seems like a contradiction but then again the idea of right-wing Libertarianism technically is a contradiction in terms aswell
irishgodfatherchris 2 months ago
@MrRedtubelover Careful, keep in mind that when you say socialist, most people think communist and when they think communist, they really mean Stalinist.
TheRhinehart86 2 months ago
This convinced me libertarianism is really really bad.
hess6wi 3 months ago
For over 100 years libertarians have been anarchist communists, socialists and unionists. These loony U.S. "libertarians" (anarcho-capitalists) are the anarchists' evil twin, borrowing many of their ideas except the crucial one about social hierarchy and capitalism. No sane person would vote for their slave utopia or live under it. Their definition of liberty is the ability of one person to exploit, impoverish and enslave their neighbor with the help of the state. Let's not even go into Orwell.
TheForwardGaze 3 months ago
@TheForwardGaze keep eating from the rick perry apple pie little misfit child. go take the freedoms of other people you shits
4everUSNavy 3 months ago
@TheForwardGaze socialism and anarchy are oxymorons becuz they fall on the opposite sides of the government power spectrum.
one believes in no government and one believes in total government.
dab0331 3 months ago
@dab0331 How do explain 100 years of libertarian socialism? Socialism allows for democratic STATE control of the means of production and/or direct ownership of the means of production through workplace democracy. Socialism goes back hundreds of years and doesn't have a narrow definition beyond the broad desire to allow the worker to profit fairly from his labor. Anarcho-capitalism requires courts and police to enforce "voluntary" contracts between "free" individuals. What would that lead to?
TheForwardGaze 3 months ago
@TheForwardGaze it's not anarcho capitalism.. again sociaism might have many definitons. but anarchy literally means NO GOVERNMENT.
what you're talking about is constitutional-libertarian-free market-capitalism
dab0331 3 months ago
@TheForwardGaze capitalism isn't to blame and socialism isn't the answer becuz socialism is the problem.
we don't have true free market capitalism.
capitalism doesn't just mean private ownership of the means of production. it also means private profit and PRIVATE LOSES.
NOT private profits and SOCIALIZED LOSES, which is what we have now.
the great depression happened becuz the Federal reserved bailed others and gav easy credit which led to massive MALINVESTMENT and then to the market crash.
dab0331 3 months ago
@TheForwardGaze and then when the market crashed the Feds and their cronies corporations bought back those companies for pennies on the dollar.
that is the whole objective of the D.C. backed Federal Reserve.. to implode the economy with the help of the gun of the government and consolidate it at a cheaper price.
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TheForwardGaze 3 months ago
BTW, I think it is slightly shady to quote Orwell, as if he was one of you Libertarians. He in fact was a very staunch democratic socialist. Read his writings on the anarchist revolution in the Spanish Civil War to get a flavor of his political ideas.
mojorhythm 3 months ago
Libertarianism presupposes that there is some intrinsic duty hanging out there in the universe to never initiate force under any circumstances, and it also assumes (by pure coincidence, haha!) that everyone has a natural, magical right to private property that transcends all social contracts, agreements, and institutions.
Libertarianism is just too absurd an ethical philosophy to take seriously. It's no wonder that almost no credible PhD ethicists or moral philosophers hold to it.
mojorhythm 3 months ago
I think about the joining the Libertarian party half the time because I agree with everything in principle, but the nagging voice of reality keeps telling me the views of the party would lead to a divisive and counterproductive society. Some people need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the current century, and the backstabbing snake oil salesmen need to be kept in line, if the nation as a whole is going to move forward and compete in today's global market. Am I misrepresenting?
Bayview05 3 months ago
Governemnts legitimacy comes from the people...the INDIVIDUAL people who have the rights and who entrust the governemnt to protect them objectively. The Government has no rights apart from those of the individuals who created it....and when it beomes the prime rights violator ITSELF then the people are morally justified and empowered to remove that Governemnt and institute something better fitting the task of protecting their rights.
Riellysdad 3 months ago
@perdondaris ..Wrong, a Libertarian knows that man IS a social animal...and that the rights of the individual need defining and protecting from others in society who would violate them. Its to free people from the oppression of other people that the Libertarian exists and advocates for samll,rights protecting Government..as the Constitution so magnificently stated. It is FORCED collectivism that is wrong and deadly..not voluntary collective action..thats in fact the market at work.
Riellysdad 3 months ago
My motto is:
"Less goverrnment, each and every dqy"
bianodias2000 3 months ago
When it comes to the American public school system you are free to choose. There are private schools you can send your child to the have scholarships. Sending their kids to public schools is a choice some parents make. Using the post office is choice you make. A public option in health care is a choice you can make. Getting rid of public options (like public schools) is restricting your choice. Therefore getting rid of public things limits your freedom to choose.
perdondaris 3 months ago
@perdondaris No it is not "choice" if you are forced to PAY for the public services you have no intention of using, and which are protected by law from competition.
ssmusic214 3 months ago
Small problem with Libertarians the rich have no rules and tend to step on the rest of us. Hard. In my opinion it does not tend to work. You got Atlas Shrugged I got Bioshock.
Andrew Ryan 2012.
WanderingTaoist101 3 months ago
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This is the misconception used by socialists and communists to defame capitalism. True capitalism believes in equal treatment concerning any individual in that we all have the same human rights, and we should all be able to live the life we see fit. Socialism limits the 'middle class' by taking out competition and destroying small and big businesses and merging us into two social classes. Us, the poor, and the government officials being the rich.
TheSuperBethany 3 months ago
@WanderingTaoist101 Bio shock is not libertarian its anarchism. Libertarians believethat government has a limited role in protecting property rights. That also includes protection of ones self.ADAM was created by implanting sea slug into the stomachs of the little sister after birth to produce ADAM. This is a violation of the right to self. Hence it is illegal this would never happen in libertarian society. Hence youre argument on bioshock is invalid rapture is anarchism not libertarian.
iggsta3o5 3 months ago
@WanderingTaoist101 In a libertarian society businessmen do have rules its called free market competition and the invisible hand u might want to look it up. In the society we currently live today there is plenty of regulations to give protections to workers, but instead you get markets that cant reach its equilibrium and business buying out government. Thats y they are called Lobbyists. Y is it that Hong Kong is rated the most free nation in the world has an unemployment rate of only 3.4
iggsta3o5 3 months ago
@WanderingTaoist101 ..In a free market the rich have to follow the same rules as everyone else..its in the current state controlled crony coprotist enviroment where political power is on offer to the highest corporate bidder that you find those "rich" being shielded and subsidised by their bought off politicians. In a free market the state is seperate form the economy...so politicians have nothing to offer the businessman looking for favours. Libertarians are mostly middle class people,not rich.
Riellysdad 3 months ago
we have a libratarian party in canada? sweet.
viper10011 3 months ago
@Vote4RonPaulLiberty: the US needs about 200 million more Ron Pauls than it already has.
TheDestroyerCrom 4 months ago 48
@TheDestroyerCrom And 200 Karl Marxes less than it has.
nolekulikali 2 days ago
Canada needs a Ron Paul.
Vote4RonPaulLiberty 4 months ago
A Christian, a Jew etc. places more value in the words of his deity than greed. You will notice how often philosophers denote greed as the worst of vices. For the religious, there is no freedom but following God's law first. Libertarians believe in a society driven by greed and managed by corporate bureaucrats. Thus when a theologian says you aren't allowed to do things which go against God's will, the State trumps your individual will. Your fellow lib Rushdoony explains this in his books.
perdondaris 4 months ago
@perdondaris Not a single FACT! Just YOUR personal opinions about other peoples believes.
Who cares about all that drivel?
ssmusic214 4 months ago
@ssmusic214 I care about this "drivel". What do you think is going to happen to religious minorities and atheists when all public schools become private Christian academies? What about public libraries that are now owned by private businessmen? They will throw away all of the books they personally don't like. What is going to happened when all the public roads are privatized and businessmen get to decide who can drive on them? Do you actually think out your philosophy?
perdondaris 4 months ago
@perdondaris Where did you get that ridiculous loony idea that "all public schools become private Christian academies"?
In Libertarian Society everybody is FREE to start their own private school or home school.
ssmusic214 4 months ago 28
@ssmusic214 The teachers' unions push propaganda like that to make sure that people hate any non-public schools because they knew that if people had choices there would be an uprising for change.
kriskats19 1 month ago
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@perdondaris Where did you get that ridiculous loony idea that "all public schools become private Christian academies"?
In Libertarian Society everybody is FREE to start their own private school or home school.
ssmusic214 4 months ago
@perdondaris What a ridiculous nonsense! DO you mean Libertarian can not by Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddist? What in the world you've been smoking?
ssmusic214 4 months ago
shanedk is a great libertarian. he is so respectful of other peoples freedoms. it's too bad the world is full of people who are homophobs, bigots, and youtube comment flooders like me. they tend to oppress other peoples freedoms. so, all you who read these comments, don't listen to me. everyone listen to this guy. ;)
wewantsainty89 4 months ago
@wewantsainty89 The rules were plainly stated on the channel. You were well aware of what resulted in a ban, and you did it anyway.
Frankly, it's refreshing to see someone like you be so honest. =P
Virgil0211 4 months ago
@Virgil0211 thank you. i proboly should not have equated libertarianism to the tea party.
however, i'm still very ingnorant of the attraction to the libertatian ideology. i fear intirerly free markets.
wewantsainty89 4 months ago
@MegaKobraKai Actually libertarianism is more like the actual definition of socialism than political socialism is. Because in a libertarian society, in order to make a living, you need to go out and socialize via voluntary human interaction, whereas in a socialist society, you can collect welfare via the state using violence, death threats, and coercion to point a gun at someone and force them to pay for you to sit in your home instead of interacting with society.
CelticAlphabet 4 months ago
@CelticAlphabet lol, be careful not to step in the bullshit. I life in a ''socialist'' country and I can tell you right now that what you are saying is complete and utter nonsense.
We still have to work for our money, only when you are disabled or when you can not find a job, does one get a welfare cheque. I'm a student, part of my education is paid for by the state. You have no idea how grateful I am for that. Without it, I would not have been able to study at the university.
evildeathmonkey1 4 months ago
@evildeathmonkey1 can't find a job?! Its really easy to "not" find a job.
wcprocom 4 months ago
@wcprocom Not being able to find a job implies you are or have been looking for one.. You can't just sit on the couch and cash a welfare cheque, it doesn't work like that. But he, if you would rather life in a tent next to the highway because you lost your job.. Your choice.
evildeathmonkey1 4 months ago
@evildeathmonkey1 it takes somebody with a full time job to make sure you are looking for a job and should get a check for not finding a job... seems messed up.
wcprocom 4 months ago
Your dumb. That is all.
P.S. You also have no understanding of economics at all. Every dollar the gov't spends misallocates resources sending bad signals to investors and creating a lag in a constantly self-repairing system called the free market. Welfare, in any for, actually does more to destroy the poor more than you could ever could know. It causes prices of essential goods & services to go up and up like education and healthcare. Charities are part of the freemarket too dipshit.
CelticAlphabet 4 months ago
I'm not a member of the libertarian party( yet ). But this philosophy is the best political philosophy on earth. And when the Mayans speak of 2012 as a new age, they are talking about Ron Paul.
ZachJonesProductions 4 months ago
@Logistica11735 The problem is that when you enact gun laws, the only people who abide by them are law abiding citizens who wouldn't have abused those rights in the first place. Criminals don't care if guns are illegal, they use them anyway.
supahsekzy 4 months ago
I am a member of the American Libertarian Party
chrishirschfeld 4 months ago
Is it wrong of me to consider myself a libertarian, in stating that people should not own guns? I'm for individual freedom in everything else, but why the hell does someone need a machine gun, lol these weapons are designed to kill. I think people should be allowed to use a weapon, for hunting, sport, but not own one. Like, you would rent 1, and use it on your property, go to the club, or hunt with it, but not keep it .
OhmgrownCron 4 months ago
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@OhmgrownCron I smoke and I say you are TOO high.
greatdestroyer1 4 months ago
Property is determined by the limited knowledge of court judges. If you and your neighbor have a dispute over the property line separating your two properties you have to go to a judge to arbitrate. He makes the decision based on his knowledge. If his knowledge is faulty (because of his greed or his ignorance) you may lose your property. Going to a judge to arbitrate is a form of collectivism. If you don't like the judge's decision you will have to use force to maintain your "property".
perdondaris 4 months ago
@MegaKobraKai Libertarianism is privilege for a few that don't have to work. Which is why it is the favorite philosophy of trust fund spoiled brats who produce nothing of any particular value. No human society has ever existed without collectivist values. Capitalism is a system based on collectivist values. Socialism means the representation of all who contribute to society to society's wealth.When it comes to property rights possession 9/10s of the law.Property is an abstraction based on force.
perdondaris 4 months ago
@perdondaris Property is not an abstraction based on force, it is based on acceptance. It is based on force from a statist view. It does not mean that there is no collective interest with libertarianism about values, the most important value they forget to mention: the non-aggression principle.
"Libertarians typically claim that the non-aggression principle includes property and freedom of contract as a part of self-ownership, and that any interference is equivalent with aggression."
Kayyyman 4 months ago
A libertarian capitalist is someone who wants slaves for their corporate plantations. When everything is privately owned you cannot protest anything. Just think, if the Saudi King owned the National Mall Glenn Beck would not have been able to hold his hatefest there. Everyone is a collectivist. Using money is collectivist. Speaking a common language is collectivist. The only way you can't be collectivist is if you live on an island by yourself with no contact with the rest of the world.
perdondaris 4 months ago
@MegaKobraKai tell that to the libertarian socialist.....
5heneverlies 4 months ago
Wow quoting George Orwell a democratic socialist, probably not the best thing to do when promoting being a libertarian.
FeartheEgg 4 months ago
@MegaKobraKai sure - if you change the definition of libertarianism and socialism
sikok93453 4 months ago
@dscvrydave06 Canadian/British spelling: defence
American spelling: defense
Good one, buddy.
LaughingMage 4 months ago
People who think Canada is socialist are mistaken. We're headed toward full-blown dictatorship if people don't see through the lies our gvmt tells and start questioning the money they are spending on tools of control. 1984 is Harper's modus operandi.
sensibisle1 5 months ago
@sensibisle1 Socialism IS full-blown dicatatorship...
LaughingMage 4 months ago
@LaughingMage Not sure how you come to that conclusion....?
sensibisle1 4 months ago
@LaughingMage Not quite true. Depends on if you're talking about democratic socialists or just socialists. Example: Spain has been ruled by the Socialist Party for the last few years, Portugal too. Neither of them are dictatorships. They're both multi-party democracies and the democratic socialists in both countries got into power through free elections. Socialism as a dictatorship was what you had in the old USSR, or modern day Cuba. Big difference.
leizuoer 4 months ago
go canada
Timb0NZ 5 months ago
@WS1739 - When it comes to American republicans which I'm assuming you're referring to, there are two that are much closer to Libertarians than Republicans for the religious reasons.... Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. I love them both.
Scouthead 5 months ago
@TheDude94168 Right. I was talking about the people who chose not to work and attempt to game the system. That's essentially fraud.
WS1739 5 months ago
@TheDude94168 It's not worth losing the wonderful things you have to get rid of a few freeloaders. The solution? Hire social workers, and threaten to cut peoples benefits if they don't go through education programs and get working.
WS1739 5 months ago
@TheDude94168 As an American, I say: DON'T LET THEM DO IT.
Look at our healthcare system. Look at our people marching lockstep to lies! Look at fox news and their propaganda broadcasts! Look at everything wrong with America, south of your borders, and you'll see what a Libertarian Canada would look like.
Don't let them sacrifice the things that make your country great on the altar of greed!
WS1739 5 months ago
@WS1739 As an American, I say I will take that libertarian stuff over socialism anytime. I want independence not a soft tyranny government like our current one. MSNBC and CNN brainwash everyone against those who try to expose the left. The mainstream media is the propaganda machine for the government. Go Canada, free yourselves!!
weseyedwalk 5 months ago
@weseyedwalk I would argue that if anyone's brainwashed, it's you. I don't watch television. It's all bullshit.
WS1739 5 months ago
@WS1739 you assume tv is my sole source of information. Your first mistake. second you can learn from bullshit too, and you can even learn from those who attempt to brainwash you. Sun Tzu tells us to study your adversary so you know their ways and tactics. That's why I spy on MSNBC.
weseyedwalk 5 months ago
@weseyedwalk libertarians are selfish and doesnt care anyone but themselves. They dont know the human complexity and our role in a society. They need to go and educate themselves before talk shit. I bet you are a redneck, christian, racist, conservative, republican, tea party supporter, nazi, fascist, who are in favor of pro gun, death penalty, and hate gays, lesbians, liberals, socialists, democrats, communists, blacks, immigrants, arabs, etc. Doesnt care about the environment & animal rights
bryoneill11 4 months ago
@bryoneill11 Nope your wrong about me, except for the conservative part, but the rest your wrong about ('m not even white, genius). I bet you are an intolerant redneck liberal freedom hating, communist fascism loving, Hitler socialist party following, muslim, totalitarian ideological statist that would be happy to see our constitution and bill of rights' demise. I'm already educated and cultured but I don't hate my country like you do. Go move to China or Iran and do us all a favor.
weseyedwalk 4 months ago
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@weseyedwalk if you are not white and you are a conservative... then you are even more stupid than I thought
bryoneill11 4 months ago
@weseyedwalk Please go educate yourself, travel the world, know other cultures, and stop watching Faux News
bryoneill11 4 months ago
True libertarians believe in separation of church and state, freedom of (and from) religion, and would not support candidates who would use political clout to push religious agendas.
Scouthead 5 months ago
@Scouthead So.... none of the republicans?
WS1739 5 months ago
@Blahb27 To assert that Libertarianism has an American context and that it is religious zealotry is both laughable, insulting and harmful. Libertarianism is what it is. If a group of self-described Libertarians go around trying to enforce their religious preference on others they are simply hypocrites and not Libertarians. There is no complexity to this topic and to say otherwise is to deceive others through language.
ldleworker 5 months ago 10
@MegaKobraKai Not necessarily. At least in the American context, libertarians are also religious zealots who strongly support forcing their religious views and practises onto other people. Their anti-choice views for instance even violates human rights (right of integrity of the body).
So much like extreme socialism supports forcing economical measures, libertarism forces religious and social views onto other people. In this, extreme socialism/communism and libertarism are the same.
Blahb27 5 months ago
"A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs, which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell numbers..... And if there are those that cannot subscribe to these principles, then let them go their way." Ronald Reagan.
numbr1whitedude 5 months ago
From the Authoritarian social democracy of Norway I give my fullest support to the Canadian Libertarian Party.
Hoyreliberal 5 months ago
I believe that individuals should have maximal freedom, but that corperations needs to be strictly regulated by government, or corperations may become our new masters.
AngeCord 5 months ago
@AngeCord
I would much rather give my allegiance to a corporation than a government.
Hoyreliberal 5 months ago
@AngeCord Search about globalism because they are becoming our masters.
VanXIInX 5 months ago
Libertarians would take away healthcare.
MrShnigglepuff 5 months ago
@MrShnigglepuff Yup. Thank God.
shagoosty 5 months ago
@death9719 I think what you're trying to say is that capitalism is so 19th century and it needs to go away. Statism requires a monopoly of force by way of the government. Why is it that we let people starve and die in the world just because of "inflation"? Why is there a global scarcity created around resources when our planet has an actual abundance? These are valid questions.
This video is diametrically opposed to what the Libertarians stand for as of late. (propaganda)
1cyanideghost 5 months ago
people should be free to live their own lives as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. the government claims people still have rights, but i think new laws are being created so authorities can go around those rights. although some laws are necessary, like murder and kidnapping, some laws are only there for control. the government controls too much of peoples lives. freedom isn't free at all.
"The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it". -John Hay
glazealotabrass420 5 months ago
I'll tell you what a libertarian is:
They are...
pro the legalization of discrimination.
pro the legalization of false advertising.
pro the legalization of monopolies.
pro pollution.
and pro sweatshop.
dstebbin 5 months ago
@SlashinatorX Pretty sure you just got trolled bro.
BrettDunbar 5 months ago
i am a left libertarian
death9719 6 months ago
@death9719 LOL That's an oxymoron. You can't be for slavery and freedom at the same time.
BrettDunbar 5 months ago
@death9719: That is rather like saying you're for voluntary slavery. It doesn't really work does it?
VictorLepanto 5 months ago
@VictorLepanto no i believe that private property is the essence of slavery, wealth is statism
death9719 5 months ago
@death9719: Yes, & "Love is Hate, War is Peace, Truth is Lies." I really don't care for cloud coo-coo lander redefinitions of everything.
VictorLepanto 5 months ago
@VictorLepanto if you have wealth you are a master so you are a statist
death9719 5 months ago
@death9719: Wealth is just another word for things. Wealth is merely having a great many things. We need things to live; food, water, shelter, etc. If we can control those things we need to live, then we own them. Laws governing property rights merely codify & regularize the acquisition of those things we need to live. If you can not control the things needed to control your life, someone then does. You are thus of necessity his slave. You are really quite deluded.
VictorLepanto 5 months ago
@VictorLepanto no you are
freedom cannot exist with wealth, look at china or america in the industrial revolution, i am a mutualist, myself.
how am i deluded
death9719 5 months ago
@death9719: "Mutualist?" Lolololol! I'm no-nonsensist, therefore I oppose everything you stand for. I really have no interest in hearing about your cloud-coo-coo Land fantasy world. Go live on Hard Rock Candy Mt. w/ the fuzzy bunnies & pink clouds. Say hello to the magic peace fairies for me as you dance in fields of clover all day long.
VictorLepanto 5 months ago
@VictorLepanto fantasy like capitalism in new york every day thousands line up for a few hundred jobs, isn't capitalism wonderful. look at Guatemala we coupled there DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED LEADER for trying to help his leader by getting local companies into the banana bis at the expense of chikita. Africa starves for our comfort. theres not a mine blown sky high but were buried alive for another's wealth
death9719 5 months ago
@death9719: If there was intended to be some coherent idea in that incomprehensible collage of words, please specify those ideas. I'd like to hear any ideas you actually wish to convey. Once you have some please repost me. I really can't discern the mystical hidden meaning of your previous post.
VictorLepanto 5 months ago
@VictorLepanto we are comfertable at the cost of african babies, we are monsters, capitalism kills kids, look at darfur, a company that sold guns to both sides used its power to create war and kill peace talks. or in the U.S glock, i think it was. did the same with the north and the south.
and to quote the I.W.W song theres never a mine blown sky high now but were buried alive for you (mine the rich)
death9719 5 months ago
@death9719: I do hope you one day learn to write in the English language. Until then I wait for you to get back to me. As for Darfur, it is Saudi Arabia the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA which funds the regime of Sudan. Sudan used to be a colony of Egypt, back when they were a colony of the Soviet Union. Learn a little real history.
VictorLepanto 5 months ago
@VictorLepanto capitalism is the enemy of world peace, do you think that weapons lobbyists don't push for our every war.
death9719 5 months ago
@death9719: Why would they want wars when that would kill their customers? If you have two enemies & both are buying weapons, if they fight one will be defeated & thus no longer be a customer. The victor won't need your weapons (at least not as much) b/c he no longer has an enemy. I'd like you to look up a little subject called logic, it is a marvelous thing. It would improve your thinking greatly.
VictorLepanto 5 months ago
@death9719 Capitalism gives you FREE choice to buy anything you want, like that computer you're using. It's only when government gets its greedy hands involved that our liberty and economic success are compromised. FREE MARKETS=GOOD. GOVERNMENT=BAD. You know, the reason our American Revolution was sparked was because everyone was immigrating to the colonies due to the face the we had such free-markets? The king didn't like that and started regulating. We went to war over this shit! Commie...
shanewolfe610 5 months ago
@shanewolfe610 corporations are gov they have armies start wars (Iraqi oil, the Guatemala coup) and they need the world to trade, so if a market is closed they push in using gov. all companies want gov to help them. without gov they would collapse. i believe in a market were you either own a means of production as an individual or as part of a democratically run collective company. and goods are traded for there value not profit.
death9719 5 months ago
all this libertarian ideology is bullshit
I see something wrong with a anarchist ron paul seeking the presidency.
open you eyes and think for yourselves, don't believe this horse shit.
our nation is too complicated for a small gov't, and every post-sone age society has had taxes in one form or another so don't be selfish
duffbeer360 6 months ago
@duffbeer360 A you a troll or just plain stupid?
CelticKraut 6 months ago
@duffbeer360 whats wrong with transferring federal power back to the states and to the citizens? Return the Country back to the Constitution, the Founding Fathers, i believe would support Ron Paul.
im fine with paying taxes but im not fine with having a big government tell me what to do and waging wars and handing out all of our tax money to prop up countries that hate us.
skatelongboards 6 months ago
You guys need a Ron Paul in Canada.
rhinnawi95 6 months ago
Orwell was a socialist.
GreenGiantEly 6 months ago
Go Libertarians. From the States.
brixcity17 6 months ago 26
*I was gonna say, she seems to boast knowing a lot about politics considering she sounds very passionate in her fight against capitalism for some reason so I assumed that she went through some prestigious Keynesian brainwashing course at Yale or something. Maybe she's even more stupid than I thought though.
cohavideos 6 months ago
@cohavideos Well.....
In some other post she boasted about her experience in "workers controlling means of production" by working in co-op bookstore. Yale graduate working as bookstore clerk sounds totally hilarious.....
ssmusic214 6 months ago
/watch?v=RxPUvQZ3rcQ
trancetunes 6 months ago
Ms Sexy Socialist. Despite your average to average-to-cute looks, you are not as important as you think you are. Just because you feel prestigious with your diploma and you took some political science class doesn't mean you know shit about politics. It's so sad to see people so easily brainwashed into thinking Keynesianism is a good idea. Hint: Democrats are just as corrupt as Republicans! Libertarians like Ron Paul are the only ones fighting for freedom.
Way to take the high road with ssmusic.
cohavideos 6 months ago
@cohavideos How do you know she has diploma? In what?
She sounds like brainless bimbo brainwashed by some deranged guru who never had real job living in fantasy world.
ssmusic214 6 months ago
@ssmusic214 Well considering that she seems to boast knowing a lot about politics, apparently loves socialism, and for some reason she is a "one-woman crusade against capitalism, statism, and imperialism".
But just because you take a college course from some ignorant socialist Keynesian professor and adopt their perverted views doesn't make you an intellect. How do you fight a free market? It's corporatism we fight, not capitalism. Obama stands for imperialism, statism, and corporatism...
cohavideos 6 months ago
@MegaKobraKai Whatever Socialism and Libertarianism meant in 1800 is absolutely irrelevant. Those were pure fantasies that never had anything to do with reality.
Socialism is Government mandatory redistribution of wealth.
Libertarianism is Limiting Government infringement into the rights of private individuals (including property rights). 2 diametrically opposite concepts.
Everything else about those are buzzwords, slogans, empty phraseology.
ssmusic214 6 months ago
@MegaKobraKai
Did you even read the comment you just responded to?
Libertarianism has its very origins in the anti-state wing of socialism (Left Anarchism ect) as I explained.
What is now more often than not referred to as Libertarianism is a form of classical liberalism taken and adapted in a more anti-statist direction.
Your response to my statement of fact and citation of political history only serves to showcase an apparent ignorance of political science.
MsSexySocialist 6 months ago
@MsSexySocialist There's nothing sexy about socialism.
dressupjesus 6 months ago
@MsSexySocialist Don't post on my wall and I'll answer your question.
dressupjesus 6 months ago
As a libertarian, I have to say I'm somewhat put off by this vid as it comes off as party propoganda I've come to expect out of the Democrate and Republican camps. It's just a bunch of strung along vague sound-bits without being actually informative about what it actually means to be a libertarian. Really, just replace "Libertarian" with Democrate or Republican in this vid, and you won't see any difference from their propoganda vids and this one. =/
Apillis124 7 months ago
@Apillis124 Democrat not "Democrate" Stupid right winger.
DiegoValadez1771 7 months ago
@DiegoValadez1771 Yeah, because pointing out two typoes is going to prove your point. Oh yeah, you don't have one. Just because an individual wants to see a reduction in government so it can focus on consolidating itself within its own borders, I'm afraid does not make them "right wing".With government I wish it to be reduced, but in regards to social issues -- I'm greatly liberal. I'm afraid that does not make me "ring wing", unless you want to be infantile with labels out of your ignorance.
Apillis124 7 months ago
i dunno, the only example of a true libertarian state today is Somalia. not really a ringing endorsement. I'll take Swedish, Danish, Japanese, Finnish and Norwegian social democracy any day of the week.
sanchez12 7 months ago
@sanchez12
Somalia doesn't have a government per say.
Being a Libertarian means freedom of choice, where your government gives you a choice to do something (say smoke marijuana or not smoke marijuana) rather than force you not to do it (current federal marijuana policy)
gibhran11 7 months ago
@sanchez12 Somalia is an example of a failed state - not a libertarian state. No doubt no one wants to live in a failed state....
2plus2make4 7 months ago
@sanchez12 Somalia is anarchy. Libertarians want government, but they want limited government.
xtremejohnny69 7 months ago
libertarianism favors some citizens more than others. it may take power out of the hands of the government but it puts it into the power of the rich. libertarianism turns into total capitalism. Anarchism is libertarianism for everyone (not just the rich)
evangelos94 7 months ago
too smart to be a liberal too poor to be a conservative. what am i...i am a libertarian.
AwesomeCoosa 7 months ago
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ssmusic214 8 months ago
@smallen642 Well, obviously moderated capitalism is the most realistic system, even if its not perfect. It's a hell of a lot better then what we had 150 years ago.
urdisturbing 8 months ago
@smallen642 You are simply ignorant of history. Even republicans in the 1800s acknowledged that Wage Slaver existed. And please, don't try to tell me that it's better to be "Free" then to be fed. Thats stupid.
If you want a viable alternative, my personal preference is Chomsky-style Anarchy. Capitalist-Anarchism = Mass-Slavery
urdisturbing 8 months ago
If a person is forced to work long ours in a factory with no safety standards, health benefits, for little pay or else his family will starve he is not free! This is why in the 19th century "Wage Slavery" was not seen as different from any other kind of slavery.
urdisturbing 8 months ago
funnily enough the POWER & FREEDOM never actually goes to the individual, but to business interests who would otherwise be regulated to ensure public & individual safety, before then businesses were unregulated & acted out of responsibility to regulate themselves & guess what! they choose not to.
instead of individuals helping themselves, how about individuals helping other individuals?.
MultiInternetfreak 8 months ago
@MultiInternetfreak
The massive companies derive their power from your wanted regulation. The businesses currently around do not have to get past the huge hurdles that are barriers of entry. Regulation decreases competition, raises prices, and puts power into the hands of the corporations. Nothing has spit on the people more than regulation.
jeebiskebowski 8 months ago
@jeebiskebowski Couldn't agree more, and it hampers corporate success as well, with lesser regulations companies can think outside the box and be free to produce as they please without the State breathing down their backs and profiting from their minds and ability. Its just said there aren't more individuals like you out there fighting misinformation and upholding freedom and the march to the the binding and enslavement of our government to the purpose it originally held.
davedavedaveannoy1 8 months ago
Philosophers, economists, politicians and thinkers will be aware of Rand’s ideas. Not because they have any meaningful validity, they do not but because they represent a logical expression of minimum government control over the individual. In effect the opposite of totalitarianism. Any “thinking” person soon understands that both produce unsustainable societies. Only by having capitalist, socialist, liberal economy with a free informed people under a democratic system do societies prosper.
davijeph 8 months ago
Libertarians like:
Guns
Money
Personal power
Religion
Ownership, Property
Monetary hierarchy
Dead end road people.
We need a resurce based economy based on real science, not philosophical nonsense.
MyOnlyFarph 8 months ago
@MyOnlyFarph Libertarians like: Freedom
fix'd
NomNomNomMoney 8 months ago
@NomNomNomMoney "freedom" ... For themselves...
Fixed.
MyOnlyFarph 8 months ago
I don't really consider myself a libertarian. More a paleo-conservative. Along the lines of Ron Paul and Alex Jones and old style conservative beliefs. Lots of places have tried leftist policies and failed, like socialism/communism. Our own (US) system is failing. I take it Canadas is as well. But I do not even like to get involved in other countries internal politics.
thewulfone 8 months ago
hahahahahaha that last line was the topper.
Gorytinklebird 8 months ago