Why do people take this Tom Grant dickead seriously? All his evidence is based on nothing but opinions and theories. Every argument he makes can be shot down.
COURTNEY'S OWN FATHER WROTE A BOOK CALLED "WHO KILLED KURT" ? ........NO FINGER PRINTS ON THE WEAPON?....3 TIMES THE LETHAL DOSE ?.....MISSING CREDIT CARD?.....JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!!
Are you talking about the middle eastern sounding riff that starts at :21? I want to know that too! Sounds very moody and mysterious. Possibly something by Rozz's band, since he just interviewed him?
@BayouBluesMan: Except the lead detective was a corrupt dude. He was later forced to retire under allegations he was stealing money from crime scenes. This suggests the character to take a bribe from Courtney. Not proven, but highly plausible. I don't trust the Seattle pd.
@BayouBluesMan So, he wiped the prints off the gun and shells, and shot himself up 2x after rehab? Then he took the gun and put gloves on to use it on himself... oh wait what happens to the gloves then?
i feel sry 4 the guy doing this documentary, he had 2 go through a bunch of shit 2 do this, like so far hes been, kicked out of a building nd courtney has claimed rights 2 the songs he wuz gonna play, thats one determined bastard, kurt cobain would be amazed 2 see this
@ingk2 Ye Broomfield is one brave guy. I was watching another documentary where he investigates the deaths of Biggie and Tupac and puts his own life at risk by going into these gang related neighbourhoods. He's one determined filmmaker!
@Painnnnful i'm glad someone who personally knew him has finally came out and cleared things up for the rest of us. blah blah blah all you've been posting is your opinion so if thats all you got then kkep it to yourself cuz opinions are like assholes. evryone got one and when you start calling people names who don't agree with you, you make yourself look like an ass. THANX
@Rapter57 Just don't listen to those stupid conspiracy theories, Kurt was suicidal for a long long time, even in his teens. Also, his faternal 2 uncles killed themselves, and his great grandpa from his mom's side. Besides, he had bipolar disorder.
@Painnnnful i dont believe them. and yes i know that info. i just think its strange he would bother filing for divorce if he was planning on killing himself
@Rapter57 Kurt was random like that and impulsive at times, not actually meaning to do it, or at least atter that moment of impulsive thinking. He also wrote many thrating and other letters in his journals that he never actually sent. He was just a contradictive person. Today I have again read the last 110 pages of Heavier Than Heaven after a long time, and all the pieces of the puzzle fit together perfectly. And it's not just just what Courtney told Charles R. Cross, there are dozens of quotes
@Painnnnful: "Heavier than Heaven" is a well written pile of crap. Charles Cross is Courtney's lap dog. There is some truth mixed with half truth mixed with flat out lies. It is a common propagandist trick, suck people in with a few truths, then give them lies.
@Rapter57 dozens of quotes from people which retrospectivelly, or even then thought they were never gonna see him again (like Krist), and felt strangness in what Kurt was saying in that last month or so. If you haven't already read the book, I really recommend it, it's very good and emotional, and I again cried like a baby, really a lot, it's very emotional. And it's not based like a lot of people say, not at all. Peace! ;)
It seems like she was a bit of a fame grabber but she was young! She probably metaphorically had something to do with his death through the breakdown of their relationship but not literally! He was a pretty amazing person from the sounds of it (: quiet and caring. It's all very sad.
she was clearly a just a fucking groupie who managed to get ehr foot in the door of his life long enough to completely wreck it. 3 years with courtney?
i'd have shot myself a lot sooner.
Kurt man, you are a fucking legend and it suck you've gone.
I think Kurt was very sad in his last few days and probably wouldn't have killed himself if he had been in a better state of mind.
This moron couldn't even find a huge greenhouse after visiting the Cobain estate on two occasions & I'm supposed to believe his theory on Kurt getting murdered? lol Please.
@melfaery: Most garages don't have a separate room. It was dark and raining. And Grant was following Cali and relying on him to show him all the areas of the house. It's a relatively minor point in the investigation. The important things Grant got right.
@judyleasugar97 He didn't just miss the room, he missed the garage ENTIRELY. TWICE. A minor point in the investigation? KURT'S BODY WAS IN THE GARAGE!
@melfaery: Let me ask you this, why didn't Cali show him the garage room? Very strange he didn't. Cali lived there and actually knew it was there. Also, Grant didn't know at that point it was a murder investigation, simply looking for an errant husband. He most likely assumed Cali would show him the entire premisis.
@judyleasugar97 Sorry, I'm not a mindreader. I can't speak as to why someone did or didn't do something. Why an investigator looking for someone "would want to get the hell out of there (the premises) as quickly as possible" (Tom's words, not mine) without giving the property a thorough search is also incomprehensible to me. Why not ask Tom what he was thinking when he admitted on VIDEO he rushed out of the house out of fear of bumping into Kurt? Wasn't he supposed to be looking for him?
@melfaery: You're arguing about a very inconsequential element in the investigation. All you've got I guess. Tired of arguing with you, please move on.
This documentary has NO credibility whatsoever. None of those people knew Kurt and Courtney for long neither were they part of their inner circle. It's all rubbish.
@LaSerpentaCanta: As this segment shows, Broomfeld was inhibited in his search for the truth by the investors for the film who were threatened by the bitch Courtney. Even so, it is an explosive film. Kurt's grandfather, Leland, has said he believes it was murder, as have other people who really knew Kurt.
@LaSerpentaCanta "none of those people knows Kurt???" WTF are you on dude, your coments ARE pathethic. Courtney!!!! Get off Youtube and stop posting fake comments....you're not helping yourself ...
obviously there are two sides to every story courtney had one fucking hard childhood and had alot of fucked up things happen to her yea she took drugs and probaly did and stupid shit but that happens when you take drugs.. i love kurt and his music and i admire courtney just the same its really none of my business to judge people ive never met before and basing courtney's violence and personality off of her father who barely ever knew her
@EdinAmmar: Kurt's grandparents Leland and Iris (Kurt saw them shortly before his death), attorney and godmother to Frances, Rosemary Carroll, Joe Mama. Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth has said she believes Kurt was murdered. His best friend Dylan. On the justiceforkurt website there are a number of interviews.
@judyleasugar97 kurt's grandparents had no direct contact with him on a daily basis nor was kurt close with them. WRONG ABOUT ROSEMARY, SHE SUED TO GRANT AND REGRETS EVER TALKING TO HIM AND ROSEMAY, IS NOT FRANCES GRANDMOTHER EITHER. JOE MAMA IS A JOKE and kim gordon belives kurt killed himself. YOU ARE WRONG ON DYLAN HE IS ON RECORD SAYING KURT KILLED HIMSELF. NOTHING THAT YOU SAID IS LOGICAL, NOR FACTUAL, AND AGAIN ALL THE PEOPLE YOU USE ARE NOT CLOSE PERSONAL FRIENDS.
@judyleasugar97 AGAIN ALL OF THE PEOPLE YOU NAME WERE NOT CLOSE PERSONAL FRIENDS OF KURT WHO DEALT WITH HIM ON A REGULAR BASIS. FACT YOU LIE AND GIVE NO NAMES OR REAL PROOF TO BACK UP ONE THING YOU SAY. ALL YOU DO IS TAKE THE WORD OF TOM GRANT (WHO LOST HIS LICENSE TO BE A PRIVATE INVESTAGOR). YOU'RE MAIN SOURCES ARE GRANT,HIS ESTRANGED GRANDPARENTS, A COMMENT KURTS LAWER MADE. THE ONLY THING YOU PROVE IS THAT YOU ARE A PARNOID LIAR THAT BELONGS ON MEDS. THE SKY IS FAILLING THE SKY IS FALLING.
@EdinAmmar: No, they did see Kurt reguarly. This is pointless because you are not listening to me and continue simply saying the same thing over and over.
@judyleasugar97 NO YOU ARE A LIAR. THEY DID NOT SEE KURT REGULARLY AND YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF IT. I AM LISTENING TO EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING AND POINTING OUT HOW WRONG AND MISLEADING YOU ARE. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING THAT I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING? FACT, YOU LIE. YOU LIED ABOUT CONTACTING A WRITTING EXPERT AND YOU LIED ABOUT KURT BEING IN REHAB. FACT YOU LIE AND SAID WORKERS FROM EXHODUS SAID KURT WAS NOT ON DRUGS. FACT, YOU LIE ABOUT ROSEMARY WITH OUT SAYING THAT SHE SUED GRANT. FACT YER A LIAR.
@EdinAmmar: Simply because you are responding in all caps doesn't mean you are right, LOL. Look, I have given you proof and you simply respond by saying the same thing over and over. This is pointless.
@judyleasugar97 you give no proof. ALL you give is lies. WHAT ACTUAL PROOF THAT CAN BE SUBMITTED INTO A COURT OF LAW HAVE YOU GIVEN? NOthing.... How can anyone belive a parnoid, liar who thinks the da,police,media,courtney love, kurt's "CLOSE FRIENDS", and the courts, were all out to get Kurt. You have no proof and everything you can say can be rebutted and proven wrong. YER A weak idiot who belives in conspiracy theories and lies.
You say you've researched this case for years and you're not familiar with Zapata's case? Wow!
Until 2003, Nirvana fans and supporters of the murder theories believed Courtney was involved in Mia's death (1993) because "Courtney was jealous of Mia's rising popularity and did not want to be overshadowed". They back up this story because Nikolas conducted Zapata's autopsy. For years, they stated:
(1) Nikolas was involved in Mia's murder
(2) He was a shitty coroner because the case was unsolved.
@floppingnoni: Yes, and the lead detective, Cameron, was forced to retire early under allegations he was tampering with crime scenes. Very shadey. And the coroner, Hartshorne, promoted bands and was pals with Courtney, they partied together. The whole thing stinks of corruption. I've already disproven your statement about the prints.
Nikolas Hartshorne knew Kurt. He booked Nirvana shows in Seattle back in 1988. So he knew Kurt, Courtney and hundreds of musicians because it was his job.
Ask Mia Zapata's family regarding Nikolas profesionalism.If it werent for his audacity during the autopsy,Mia's case would still be unsolved. It's funny that conspiracy supporters believed Mia was murdered by Courtney and Nikolas was of course involved too.After the year 2002 I havent heard of it anymore.Wait that year Mia's killer was caught
@floppingnoni: I'm not familiar with Zapata's case and what bearing does it have on the Cobain case? Even if someone else killed Zapata, Hartshorne could still be crooked as hell and Courtney a murderer.
@judyleasugar97 JUDYLEASUGAR PLEASE SPELL OUT WITH FACTS HOW KURT WAS KILLED? WHO DID IT? WHY? AND HOW? AND WHAT DIRECT, LOGICAL EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE THAT SUPPORTS THIS?
After Mias killer was sentenced to jail in 2004,all these conspiracy supporters erased all "the evidence" they had from the internet. Maybe that's why you haven't heard of it, you started your research too late.
In Forensic Files they explain the relationship Nikolas had with the music scene. As I told you, it was Nikolas who identified Mia because he had seen her band live.And the case was solved cos he froze saliva of the murderer until it could be properly analysed (in 2002).
@floppingnoni: Wow, you think because Hartshorne actually did his job regarding Zapata that prvoes he was not complicit with Courtney Love in covering up the murder of Kurt Cobain? How does a completely separate case prove anything? I feel sorry for both you and EdinAmmar.
@judyleasugar97 listen up chicken little. YOU HAVE GIVEN NO FACTS OR LOGIC THAT BACK UP ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY. ALL THE INFO YOU GET AND RELY ON IS FROM SECOND HAND SOURCES WHO WERE'NT CLOSE TO KURT. I HAVE PROVEN YOU WRONG THAT KURT WAS ON DRUGS IN 1994 AND THAT HE HAD BEEN TO "NUMEROUS" REHABS. I PROVED THIS BY GIVING NAMES (OF CLOSE PERSONAL FRIENDS OF KURT AND USING KURTS OWN WORDS). ALL THE PROOF YOU GAVE WAS THE BUZZCOCKS AND HIS GRANDPARENTS. TELL ME AGAIN HOW WAS KURT KILLED?
@EdinAmmar: I refer to interviews by people who really knew Kurt. For your information most court cases don't have eye witness accounts and can only go on the evidence. That makes evidence very important.
@judyleasugar97 INTERVIEWS OF PEOPLE WHO REALLY KNEW KURT LIKE WHO THE BUZZCOCKS AND HIS ESTRANGED GRANDPARENTS? YER A JOKE. YOU CANT PICK AND CHOOSE WHEN YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO KURTS FRIENDS AND WHAT THEY SAY. KURT'S CLOSE FRIENDS ARE ON RECORD SAYING HE WAS A JUNKY IN 1994 AND THEY ARE ALSO ON RECORD SAYING THAT HE DIDED FROM SUICIDE. YER HEAD IS SOO SCREWED UP. YOU CANT MAKE ONE LOGICAL, STATEMENT.
@judyleasugar97 NO YOU NEVER ANSWERED THAT ALL YOU DID WAS POST SOME RAMBLING COMMENTS ABOUT THE SEATTLE POLICE BEING PREJUDICE AGAINST ADDICTED PUNKS. WHICH MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL.. JUDYLEASUGAR WHY DONT YOU POST EXACTLY WHAT WENT DOWN WITH KURT?
@judyleasugar97 WHO IS THE PARNOID ONE THAT BELIVES THE COPS, CORNER, COURTNEY LOVE, THE D.A., AND EVEN KURTS CLOSE FRIENDS, ARE EITHER IN ON A PLOT TO KILL KURT OR HELPING TO COVER IT UP. WHO IS THE ONE THAT SAY'S THEY HIRED WRITTING EXPERTS TO LOOK AT THE KURTS NOTE (WITHOUT GIVING ANY NAMES). BASICALLY, YOU ARE MAKING UP PEOPLE (EXPERT HANDWRITTER) AND THEN YOU BELIVE THE WORDS OF THE BUZZCOCKS AND HIS GRANDPARENTS OVER PEOPLE WHO REALLY KNEW KURT. GET HELP CHICKEN LITTLE THE SKY IS FALLIN
@judyleasugar97 I use nothing but facts and logic. YOU rely on rumors, or 2 hand accounts and even cite estranged relatives. Every one of your agruments can be proved false at the justicforkurt website. FACT you make stuff up. YOU said you "contacted a handwritting expert". FACT, you claim workers at exhodus said kurt was'nt on drugs without giving names or info. FACT you are parnoid cause no sane person belives the da, the corner, police,courtney love and the media, played a role. haha
@judyleasugar97 FACT, YOU RELY ON RUMOR AND SECOND HAND ACCOUNT. FACT YOU MAKE UP LIES LIKE CONTACTING A HANDWRITTING EXPERT(NO NAMES OR PROOF), AND CLAIMING THAT THERE WERE WORKERS IN EXHODUS WHO SAID KURT WASNT ON DRUGS (WITHOUT GIVING ANY NAMES). FACT YOU DIDNT BELIVE KURT WENT TO REHAB 3X AND HE DID (BEFORE AND AFTER FRANNY AND EXHOUDS). THIS IS PROOF OF U MAKING UP LIES AND NOT KNOWING A THING.
-morphine in his blood 1.52mg: a lie by the seattle post intelligencer citing "a source".The autopsy is confidential.
-lack of fingerprints: bullshit, 6 fingerprint cards were lifted.
-the note: a washington state handwriting forensic determined it was written by Kurt. What other experts with bad copies printed from the internet think is not legit. You need the original to see where the trace of a certain letter starts and ends, pressure, etc.
@floppingnoni: (1) A chemist named Roger Lewis DID look at the official autopsy and he wrote the article "Dead Men Don't Pull Triggers," stating the 1.52 mgs per liter of heroin, enough said. (2) As I said, there were no LEGIBLE prints. (3) Oh gee, one handwriting expert who was too chicken to go out on a limb. Let's compare that to all the others who said there were 2 handwritings on the note, including a handwriting expert I consulted.
(1) Proof Roger Lewis did look at the autopsy? I've read the article and his research is good but he ASSUMES Kurt had 1,52mg/l, so in this case it's not relevant. He talks about "traces of a diazepam like substance". Had he read the autopsy he'd be more specific. Wait! That's what the article citing "a source" said. That's what he DID read,a fucking newspaper. You know that an authorization is required to access documents. Have you seen it?Have you heard him say he did read the autopsy?
@floppingnoni: What? You're saying Roger Lewis, a professional, didn't look at the official autopsy despite the fact that it was available to him? Why would a professional risk his reputation in this way? You don't make sense. Lewis focussed on the heroin level, not the valium. You're trying to blur the facts but you're not succeeding.
You still fail at proving what you say happened. Roger Lewis based his article in the assumption of what the media reported not in the autopsy. Prove me wrong! You cant because what you say never happened. keep lying if you want but you're not fooling rational people, only idiots.
@judyleasugar97 NO THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE TRUE ACCESS TO THE AUTOPSY RECORDS ARE THE SEATLE CORNER AND THE COBAIN FAMILY. YOU CANT BELIVE A THING THAT COMES OUT OF JUDYLEASUGAR'S MOUTH CAUSE ANYONE WHO WOULD TYPE AND BELIVE THAT " THE SEATTLE POLICE WERE PREJUDICE AGAINST ADDICTED PUNKERS" IS CRAZY.
(2) Don't lie. You exactly said "lack of fingerprints". Don't change what you said, you cant fool us.
sweat + movement = no legible
(3) The only handwriting expert that analysed the ORIGINAL NOTE said it was written by Cobain. The same expert who has been working for the state of washington for decades. If you went to an expert show us proof,what you say is words.And I tell you again, you went to an expert with a copy of a copy (of a copy?) of the original note.Experts would make fun of you.
@floppingnoni: I meant lack of legible fingerprints, sheesh. Movement of a gun firing can't wipe clean the legibleness of prints by 3 people (and there were probably more than three people, it was from a pawn shop), didn't we argue about this on another video? A number of valid handwriting experts have been consulted, some by television shows, who felt there were 2 handwritings on the note. Enough doubt to reopen the investigation, that's all I'm saying.
@judyleasugar97 ANYONE WHO BELIVES THAT THE SEATTLE POLICE WERE AGAINST KURT AND OTHERS WHO WERE ADDICTED TO DRUGS HAS MENTAL ISSUES. YOU NEED TO SEEK HELP WITH YOUR PARNOID FEELINGS. . THERE IS NO RECORD OR FACTS THAT SUPPORT THAT KURT WAS EVER CLEAN OFF OF HEROIN. NONE OF HIS CLOSE PERSONAL FRIENDS HAVE EVER SAID THAT HE STOPPED USING HEROIN.
@EdinAmmar: Kurt's closest friends did say he was not on drugs in '94. You didn't read what I said. And Courtney took care of that evidence didn't she, by cremating the body immediately? Moving on now. Good luck with that little problem of logic you have.
@judyleasugar97 WHO WAS THIS CLOSE FRIEND OF KURTS WHO SAID HE WASNT ON DRUGS IN 94? GIVE ME NAMES. A LOGICAL PERSON USES FACTS AND DATA TO SUPPORT THEIR OPINIONS. I GAVE YOU FACTS ABOUT HIS REHABS THAT BACK UP WHAT I'M SAYING WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS? YOU CANT TALK ABOUT HIS ROME MEDICAL RECORDS CAUSE THEY WERE NOT RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC. FACT. FACT. KRIS, DYLAN, AND DAVE ARE ALL ON THE RECORD SAYING KURT USED DRUGS IN 1994. YER SOO CAUGHT UP WITH HATING COURTNEY THAT YOU DONT SEE THE FACTS.
@EdinAmmar: You didn't give me facts, you gave me misinformation. Two musicians who have said Kurt was not on drugs: Buzzcocks bassist Tony Barber and Peter Shelley, vocalist. Leland and Iris Cobain. The workers at Exodus said he showed no signs of recent drug use. I would suggest looking at the justiceforkurt website.
@judyleasugar97 yer a fucking joke. THE BUZZCOCKS WERE'NT FRIENDS OF KURTS AT ALL LET ALONE "CLOSE FRIENDS" THEY PLAYED A HANDFULL OF SHOWS IN EUROPE. THATS ALL THE BUZZCOCKS EVER KNEW OF KURT PERSONALLY. AS FOR LELAND AND IRIS, THEY KNEW NOTHING OF KURTS DRUG ADDICTION AND ARE HARDLY "FIRST PERSON" ACCOUNT OF KURTS LIFE IN 1994. AS FOR EXHODUS, who is this worker at said he had no signs of recent drugs abuse? YOU HAVE NO FACTS OR LOGIC JUST RUMORS. GET A LIFE.
@EdinAmmar: Kurt was friends with members of the Buzzcocks before he became famous. I've corresponded with Leland and he is a very perceptive person. Workers at Exodus are trained in drug addiction. You don't know what you're talking about. You're not listening.
@judyleasugar97 WHAT IS THE NAME OF THIS HAND WRITTING EXCEPERT YOU CONSULTED? WAS IT DOCTOR NICK FROM THE SIMPSON'S. YER A DUMB, LITTLE GIRL WHO BELIVES THE SKY IS FALLING.
Ok people, sit down because according to the reliable source that is judywhatshername Kurt never had a heroin problem. He probably confused rehab with a spa...
@judyleasugar97 WHEN WAS THIS MAGICAL MOMENT IN KURT'S LIFE WHEN HE WAS CLEAN FROM DRUGS AND STOPPED USING HEROIN? CAUSE DAVE, KRIS,DYLAN, AND EVERYONE CLOSE TO HIM HAD AN INTERVENTION. WHY WOULD EVER SINGLE PERSON WHO WAS CLOSE TO KURT SAY THAT HE WAS USING HEROIN AND WAS A HEROIN ADDICT. YOU USE NO LOGIC OR REASONING FOR ANY OF YOUR OPINIONS.
@EdinAmmar: When Kurt entered the hospital in Rome his blood showed no morphine. Fellow musicians on his last tour said he was not on drugs at the time. His grandfather said he was not on drugs. Really, the only person who says he was on drugs in '94 is Courtney Love, a proven liar. The intervention was a sham, Krist and Dave didn't go. You say a lot of incorrect things.
@floppingnoni: So you're saying the action of Kurt firing the shotgun took off all those prints? Come on, how could that have happened? There was no rain inside the greenhouse.
And that's my point... Focus on Kurt's fingerprints and why they were illegible. The example of rainwater was to prove that Dylan's prints are not relevant since you say at least 3 people handled the shotgun and their prints might be there.
So Kurt's prints were illegible because of EXCESSIVE SWEATING, THE MOVEMENT OF THE SHOTGUN WHEN FIRED and FRICTION WITH CLOTHES.
@floppingnoni: You're not being logical. If someone fires a riffle obviously they don't wipe their clothes all over the surface of the gun in the process, including the trigger. It's just not possible.
Wiping the trigger? That's what the movement of the shotgun does when it's fired.
So when you carry a shotgun from one place to another you mean there's no friction with your trousers and shirt, with the skin of your own arm? You're not being logic...
@floppingnoni: Well, we've already covered this. You're basically repeating the same thing over and over again in different words, so I'm going to move on now. I've already disproven you.
@judyleasugar97 HAHAHA NO YOU ARE WRONG. DAVE AND KRIS WERE AT THE INTERVENTION AS WAS DANNY GOLDBERG AND DYLAN. KRIS HAS SPOKEN ABOUT IT IN INTERVIEWS. AND KURT WAS NEVER CLOSE TO HIS GRANDFATHER AFTER HE BECAME FAMOUS SO WHAT HE HAS TO SAY IS IRREVALANT. YOU ARE JUST LIKE A CONSERVATIVE WHO SAYS ONE THING WHILE DENYING THE FACTS AND NOT USING LOGIC OR REASONING.
@EdinAmmar: A few music industry people and Courtney's drugie friends showed up for the intervention. Dave and Krist were not there. Krist never said that, you're very confused. Kurt had a good relationship with his grandfather Leland and more importantly, Leland Cobain is a very perceptive and honest person. He knew it when Kurt was stoned and when he wasn't, and he says Kurt was not on drugs the last time he saw him in '94.
Hank Harrison states the suicide attempt in ROme was a "fake suicide". Kurt SLIPPED INTO A COMA. That was one hell of an act! You're just as stupid and crazy as he is if your believe anything this loon has to say.
@melfaery: It wasn't a fake suicide, it was Courtney's first attempt to kill Kurt. I don't need Harrison's opinion to believe that, look at the facts.
@judyleasugar97 lol you're talking to someone with a Master's degree in behavioral science. She has sociopathic traits, definitely. Doesn't make her a murderer though.
@judyleasugar97 MY EVIDENCE OF KURTS DRUG USES IS AN INTERVENTION AND HIS BEST FRIEND DYLAN, HIS BANDMATES (WHO WERE AT THE INTERVENTION). AND ON THE OTHER HAND YOU GOT JUDYLEASUGAR WHO IS USING THE BUZZCOCKS, AND HIS GRANDPARENTS (WHO WERE NOT IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH HIM IN 1994) AND SOME WORKER AT EXHODUS WHO IS UN-NAMED. JUDY IS HERE BY KNOWN AS CHICKEN LITTLE OR THE "GIRL" WHO CRIED WOLF.
@judyleasugar97 EVERYTHING I SAID CAN BE FOUND ON GOOGLE AND IS BACKED UP IN INTERVIEWS THAT WERE GIVEN BY KRIS, DYLAN, AND WITNESS WHO WERE AT KURTS INTERVENTION. OH AND JUSTICEFORKURT HAS A REALLY REALLY NICE SECTION THAT DEBUNKS EVERYONE ONE OF JUDY'S WACKO THEORIES.
@EdinAmmar Judydummys problem is that she is not able to realize that authorities said it was a suicide and gave evidence to prove it. We back up with official documents on the case and she tries to back up her theories with rumours and made up bullshit by idiots.
We dont need to prove anything because experts involved in the case cloncluded it was a suicide. Show us evidence of what you say. You know what Shakespeare meant when he wrote "words,words,words". That's you, words, no facts at all.
@judyleasugar97 WHAT HAVE YOU DISPROVEN? WHAT HAVE YOU PROVEN? FACT NONE OF YOUR SOURCES ARE CLOSE PERSONAL FRIENDS OF KURT. FACT, YOU MAKE UP LIES FOR EXAMPLE YOU SAID YOU CONTACTED A WRITTING EXPERT YET YOU WONT NAME ANY NAMES. FACT, THE PROOF YOU HAVE THE KURT DIDNT USE DRUGS IN 94 IS HIS GRANPARENTS (WHOM HE WAS NOT IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH) AND 2 MEMBERS OF THE BUZZCOCKS WHO PLAYED A FEW SHOWS WITH KURT. WHILE I CAN DOCUMENT THAT DYLAN,KRIS,DAVE, DANNY GOLDBERG ALL SAY THAT HE WAS ON DRUGS.
@judyleasugar97 YOU ARE ONE INSANE IDIOT. YOUR OWN WEBSITE THAT YOU USE TO COME UP WITH YER CRAZY THEORIES DIS-SPELLS EVERYTHING YOU SAY. WHY DONT YOU STICK TO SAYING 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB?
I am in every way shape, form a huge Kurt/Nirvana fan, and I have almost embarrassingly so, done as much research on the whole "murder theory" and I bounced around the whole murder idea, but reading all the books I could, watching literally every film/clip that I could on the subject, I have come to the much educated conclusion that Kurt MOST likely committed suicide. The theories are very interesting and I thing so many people wanna believe he was killed, but I just don't think so anymore.
lol @ him trying to get a room at the peninsula & ending up in the ramada inn.
that aside, tom grant's taped recordings of courtney are really alarming. at the very least, you get to hear how she wanted to twist her own husband's suicide around so that it benefited the release of her album, live through this. at the worst...well. you get to hear how the sociopathic mind works.
but why is it not done investigating? !!!!! wth??? it should be done years ago... is it the police is not good enough doing it? laziness is not the main thing but theres something behind it. if its courtney (im not a fan of her) why are they hiding it? its not the money...
Kurt is the genuine thing, even till the end he stayed true to his punk rock ideals. FUCK that bitch, she was the reason for his death indirectly or directly--along with heroin.
i think kurt was murder because how can you shoot heroin and write a letter and then grab a big shotgun and pull the trigger my opinion she killed or hired someone to kill kurt cause he was going to divorce her and all she wanted was fame and money (greedy bitch) i dont hate courtney or anything and her music is pretty cool but she thinks shes the shit cus she now owns some of nirvana's song and has kurt's daughter...
@KimDanzig o agree with everythuing you said. But it is possible to do a shitload og heroin and still be able to pull the trigger etc. and the cop who says it is not possible, doesn't know about addictiion i guess.
@KimDanzig have you ever shot dope? were you ever hooked on heroin? If you were addicted you would know that a persons tolerance to heroin greatly increases with long term use. Start shooting dope and then talk about "how can you shoot heroin and write a letter and then grab a big shotgun and pull the trigger". Yer a fuckin idiot. grow up.
@EdinAmmar: There is no case on record of anyone, even the most addicted person out there, who could function on a 3 times lethal dose of heroin. And there was also valium in his system. Face it, someone else pulled the trigger.
@KimDanzig ERRR THIS IS GETTING ANNOYING. KIM DO YOU HAVE ANY INTELLIGENCE. FACT, heroin turns into morphine when it enters the body and a typical heroin addict can properly function on the levels of heroin found in his body. Do yourself a fav. go and get a copy of kurts death certificate and ask a corner if a heroin addict can function on the levels found in kurts body. Lastly, kurt and courtney were married and therefore she owns anything that belonged to kurt when he died. GET A LIFE.
@EdinAmmar He had a new kid, he was going to get away from the slut, and wanted to get away from music HE WAS ALMOST DONE WITH ALL THIS SO WHY WOULD HE KILL HIMSELF?
The investigator sums everything up in 5:43 - 6:20.
luvpinas123 2 months ago 5
@Xii101 haha are you joking? thats the mic the bbc guy is holding
crosshairs3 3 months ago
@crosshairs3 Yes, he was joking :|
Capspar 3 months ago
Why do people take this Tom Grant dickead seriously? All his evidence is based on nothing but opinions and theories. Every argument he makes can be shot down.
JonLambert89 5 months ago
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zeitguy311 5 months ago
she hired an private investigator to find him... did she not check her own house?
TarmacCoast 6 months ago 7
@HitchSlapYouSon wow such a sad lovestory
newblife 8 months ago
Anyone know what the funky tune is at the start of this video?
oipolloi1 10 months ago
@oipolloi1
Are you talking about the middle eastern sounding riff that starts at :21? I want to know that too! Sounds very moody and mysterious. Possibly something by Rozz's band, since he just interviewed him?
pape37 9 months ago
@oipolloi1 sounds like love buzz
NirvanaArctic 9 months ago
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A corrupt police department. The lead detective was later forced to retire early under allegations he was stealing money from crime scenes.
judyleasugar97 10 months ago
this was a high profile case and US cops are no pussies and no retards their forensics kicks ass so they'd have discovered foul play
BayouBluesMan 10 months ago 3
@BayouBluesMan: Except the lead detective was a corrupt dude. He was later forced to retire under allegations he was stealing money from crime scenes. This suggests the character to take a bribe from Courtney. Not proven, but highly plausible. I don't trust the Seattle pd.
profaneoneohone 6 months ago
@BayouBluesMan So, he wiped the prints off the gun and shells, and shot himself up 2x after rehab? Then he took the gun and put gloves on to use it on himself... oh wait what happens to the gloves then?
muzapstar 6 months ago
@BayouBluesMan then why is she so hopped up on stopping the making of movies that aren't pro-courtney?
officialvangcreative 6 months ago
@BayouBluesMan you make me sick. i bet your family are pigs. fuck the police. what good have they done in my life? none. they didnt care about kurt
younge666hooligans 5 months ago
@younge666hooligans wtf? no pigs in the family just a bigass rooster with a long dick...shall i continue?
i love conspiracy idiots, shows how retarded many people can be.
BayouBluesMan 5 months ago
@BayouBluesMan indeed!
restoremaz 3 months ago
@BayouBluesMan Yeah,but when high status quo combined with money kicks in ,there`s no telling what could happen.
walkingSurrealism 3 months ago 13
Speculation, and gossip, and conjecture, oh my!
TestMeatDollSteak 11 months ago
Courntey Love disliked this video.
AWSOMEPOSSUM16 11 months ago
i believe kurt was murdered
nuknuknuk111 11 months ago
The Strokes are the best band to come out in the last 25 years
sarabower1 1 year ago
'What about his relationship with Courtney?' and WHOOP, no part 6!
Surprise, surprise.
nirvajoy 1 year ago
i feel sry 4 the guy doing this documentary, he had 2 go through a bunch of shit 2 do this, like so far hes been, kicked out of a building nd courtney has claimed rights 2 the songs he wuz gonna play, thats one determined bastard, kurt cobain would be amazed 2 see this
ingk2 1 year ago
@ingk2 Ye Broomfield is one brave guy. I was watching another documentary where he investigates the deaths of Biggie and Tupac and puts his own life at risk by going into these gang related neighbourhoods. He's one determined filmmaker!
watchwutchyalike 6 months ago
At 6:47 the fingerprints are dated 6-4-93?? whose prints are those exactly??
rheuphoric 1 year ago
@rheuphoric wow O_O i didn't saw that
llovescake15 10 months ago
happy birthdat kurt
pittfilmers 1 year ago
@c3789 Dude i've been thinking the same thing for years. Thankyou for typing that!
BLastyboW 1 year ago
Only if kurt could see how shitty the world is today.
Ryan9580 1 year ago
fuck courtney, I hope kurts daughter realizes the truth one day..............
bry405 1 year ago
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slightlystoopid1022 1 year ago
play the pussy get fucked... that`s what i always say
renebourque 1 year ago
This is all really iffy.....
Guess we will never know for sure what happened
kman9tu 1 year ago
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Painnnnful 1 year ago
@Painnnnful i'm glad someone who personally knew him has finally came out and cleared things up for the rest of us. blah blah blah all you've been posting is your opinion so if thats all you got then kkep it to yourself cuz opinions are like assholes. evryone got one and when you start calling people names who don't agree with you, you make yourself look like an ass. THANX
treblaze420 1 year ago
wheres part 6 -_-
iloveyouihateyou321 1 year ago
why would he bother to get a divorce if he was just going to kill himself?
Rapter57 1 year ago
@Rapter57 Just don't listen to those stupid conspiracy theories, Kurt was suicidal for a long long time, even in his teens. Also, his faternal 2 uncles killed themselves, and his great grandpa from his mom's side. Besides, he had bipolar disorder.
Painnnnful 1 year ago
@Painnnnful i dont believe them. and yes i know that info. i just think its strange he would bother filing for divorce if he was planning on killing himself
Rapter57 1 year ago
@Rapter57 Kurt was random like that and impulsive at times, not actually meaning to do it, or at least atter that moment of impulsive thinking. He also wrote many thrating and other letters in his journals that he never actually sent. He was just a contradictive person. Today I have again read the last 110 pages of Heavier Than Heaven after a long time, and all the pieces of the puzzle fit together perfectly. And it's not just just what Courtney told Charles R. Cross, there are dozens of quotes
Painnnnful 1 year ago
@Painnnnful: "Heavier than Heaven" is a well written pile of crap. Charles Cross is Courtney's lap dog. There is some truth mixed with half truth mixed with flat out lies. It is a common propagandist trick, suck people in with a few truths, then give them lies.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97
I thank God that some people (such as yourself) in here are "awake" enough to see the truth! :)
rheuphoric 1 year ago
@Rapter57 dozens of quotes from people which retrospectivelly, or even then thought they were never gonna see him again (like Krist), and felt strangness in what Kurt was saying in that last month or so. If you haven't already read the book, I really recommend it, it's very good and emotional, and I again cried like a baby, really a lot, it's very emotional. And it's not based like a lot of people say, not at all. Peace! ;)
Painnnnful 1 year ago
@Painnnnful I meant to say biased not based.
Painnnnful 1 year ago
@mattluvsvox921 Tallahasse-earth
mrmartinez41 1 year ago
I think today that bitch is finally regretting all the shit she's done.
8Dgman 1 year ago
It seems like she was a bit of a fame grabber but she was young! She probably metaphorically had something to do with his death through the breakdown of their relationship but not literally! He was a pretty amazing person from the sounds of it (: quiet and caring. It's all very sad.
megburn 1 year ago
@megburn what?
she was clearly a just a fucking groupie who managed to get ehr foot in the door of his life long enough to completely wreck it. 3 years with courtney?
i'd have shot myself a lot sooner.
Kurt man, you are a fucking legend and it suck you've gone.
I think Kurt was very sad in his last few days and probably wouldn't have killed himself if he had been in a better state of mind.
FUCK COURTNEY!!!!
alixmilan76 1 year ago
This moron couldn't even find a huge greenhouse after visiting the Cobain estate on two occasions & I'm supposed to believe his theory on Kurt getting murdered? lol Please.
melfaery 1 year ago
@melfaery: Most garages don't have a separate room. It was dark and raining. And Grant was following Cali and relying on him to show him all the areas of the house. It's a relatively minor point in the investigation. The important things Grant got right.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 He didn't just miss the room, he missed the garage ENTIRELY. TWICE. A minor point in the investigation? KURT'S BODY WAS IN THE GARAGE!
melfaery 1 year ago
@melfaery: Let me ask you this, why didn't Cali show him the garage room? Very strange he didn't. Cali lived there and actually knew it was there. Also, Grant didn't know at that point it was a murder investigation, simply looking for an errant husband. He most likely assumed Cali would show him the entire premisis.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 Sorry, I'm not a mindreader. I can't speak as to why someone did or didn't do something. Why an investigator looking for someone "would want to get the hell out of there (the premises) as quickly as possible" (Tom's words, not mine) without giving the property a thorough search is also incomprehensible to me. Why not ask Tom what he was thinking when he admitted on VIDEO he rushed out of the house out of fear of bumping into Kurt? Wasn't he supposed to be looking for him?
melfaery 1 year ago
@melfaery: You're arguing about a very inconsequential element in the investigation. All you've got I guess. Tired of arguing with you, please move on.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
must have song @ 0:24.PLEASE!
Eldererr 1 year ago
@Eldererr tell me the name when you find out too! please C:
stephaniexxx1 1 year ago
This documentary has NO credibility whatsoever. None of those people knew Kurt and Courtney for long neither were they part of their inner circle. It's all rubbish.
LaSerpentaCanta 1 year ago
@LaSerpentaCanta: As this segment shows, Broomfeld was inhibited in his search for the truth by the investors for the film who were threatened by the bitch Courtney. Even so, it is an explosive film. Kurt's grandfather, Leland, has said he believes it was murder, as have other people who really knew Kurt.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@LaSerpentaCanta "none of those people knows Kurt???" WTF are you on dude, your coments ARE pathethic. Courtney!!!! Get off Youtube and stop posting fake comments....you're not helping yourself ...
Slyrus76 1 year ago
lol @ the ass and walk of that Broomfield idiot.
LaSerpentaCanta 1 year ago
how can you fake a suicide by shooting your head with a shotgun?
babalvg 1 year ago
obviously there are two sides to every story courtney had one fucking hard childhood and had alot of fucked up things happen to her yea she took drugs and probaly did and stupid shit but that happens when you take drugs.. i love kurt and his music and i admire courtney just the same its really none of my business to judge people ive never met before and basing courtney's violence and personality off of her father who barely ever knew her
kukubananasABC123 1 year ago
@kukubananasABC123: If Courtney hadn't commited murder I would cut her slack.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
okay so whats the song at the end by earth called ? (kurts best friend )
dajana121 1 year ago
EdinAmmar: Google cobaincase or justiceforkurt. A lot of valid evidence there of murder.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: No. Kurt's friends have said Kurt was NOT suicidal in '94. What sources are you citing? Courtney's junkie friends?
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 i am talking about KRIST. who are kurts frineds that said he was not suicidal?
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: Kurt's grandparents Leland and Iris (Kurt saw them shortly before his death), attorney and godmother to Frances, Rosemary Carroll, Joe Mama. Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth has said she believes Kurt was murdered. His best friend Dylan. On the justiceforkurt website there are a number of interviews.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 kurt's grandparents had no direct contact with him on a daily basis nor was kurt close with them. WRONG ABOUT ROSEMARY, SHE SUED TO GRANT AND REGRETS EVER TALKING TO HIM AND ROSEMAY, IS NOT FRANCES GRANDMOTHER EITHER. JOE MAMA IS A JOKE and kim gordon belives kurt killed himself. YOU ARE WRONG ON DYLAN HE IS ON RECORD SAYING KURT KILLED HIMSELF. NOTHING THAT YOU SAID IS LOGICAL, NOR FACTUAL, AND AGAIN ALL THE PEOPLE YOU USE ARE NOT CLOSE PERSONAL FRIENDS.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar your cap locks are HURTING my eyes dude.
stop.
please.
babeeshopiez123 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 AGAIN ALL OF THE PEOPLE YOU NAME WERE NOT CLOSE PERSONAL FRIENDS OF KURT WHO DEALT WITH HIM ON A REGULAR BASIS. FACT YOU LIE AND GIVE NO NAMES OR REAL PROOF TO BACK UP ONE THING YOU SAY. ALL YOU DO IS TAKE THE WORD OF TOM GRANT (WHO LOST HIS LICENSE TO BE A PRIVATE INVESTAGOR). YOU'RE MAIN SOURCES ARE GRANT,HIS ESTRANGED GRANDPARENTS, A COMMENT KURTS LAWER MADE. THE ONLY THING YOU PROVE IS THAT YOU ARE A PARNOID LIAR THAT BELONGS ON MEDS. THE SKY IS FAILLING THE SKY IS FALLING.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: No, they did see Kurt reguarly. This is pointless because you are not listening to me and continue simply saying the same thing over and over.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 NO YOU ARE A LIAR. THEY DID NOT SEE KURT REGULARLY AND YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF IT. I AM LISTENING TO EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING AND POINTING OUT HOW WRONG AND MISLEADING YOU ARE. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING THAT I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING? FACT, YOU LIE. YOU LIED ABOUT CONTACTING A WRITTING EXPERT AND YOU LIED ABOUT KURT BEING IN REHAB. FACT YOU LIE AND SAID WORKERS FROM EXHODUS SAID KURT WAS NOT ON DRUGS. FACT, YOU LIE ABOUT ROSEMARY WITH OUT SAYING THAT SHE SUED GRANT. FACT YER A LIAR.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: Simply because you are responding in all caps doesn't mean you are right, LOL. Look, I have given you proof and you simply respond by saying the same thing over and over. This is pointless.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 you give no proof. ALL you give is lies. WHAT ACTUAL PROOF THAT CAN BE SUBMITTED INTO A COURT OF LAW HAVE YOU GIVEN? NOthing.... How can anyone belive a parnoid, liar who thinks the da,police,media,courtney love, kurt's "CLOSE FRIENDS", and the courts, were all out to get Kurt. You have no proof and everything you can say can be rebutted and proven wrong. YER A weak idiot who belives in conspiracy theories and lies.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
You say you've researched this case for years and you're not familiar with Zapata's case? Wow!
Until 2003, Nirvana fans and supporters of the murder theories believed Courtney was involved in Mia's death (1993) because "Courtney was jealous of Mia's rising popularity and did not want to be overshadowed". They back up this story because Nikolas conducted Zapata's autopsy. For years, they stated:
(1) Nikolas was involved in Mia's murder
(2) He was a shitty coroner because the case was unsolved.
floppingnoni 1 year ago
It's not a position, it's what authorities said. I don't need to prove anything to you, experts involved in the case proved it for me:
(1) 6 CARDS of fingerprints were lifted
(2) Fingerprints were NOT LEGIBLE because of:
- excessive sweating
- movement of the shotgun when fired
- friction (with clothes, parts of the body...)
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: Yes, and the lead detective, Cameron, was forced to retire early under allegations he was tampering with crime scenes. Very shadey. And the coroner, Hartshorne, promoted bands and was pals with Courtney, they partied together. The whole thing stinks of corruption. I've already disproven your statement about the prints.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
Nikolas Hartshorne knew Kurt. He booked Nirvana shows in Seattle back in 1988. So he knew Kurt, Courtney and hundreds of musicians because it was his job.
Ask Mia Zapata's family regarding Nikolas profesionalism.If it werent for his audacity during the autopsy,Mia's case would still be unsolved. It's funny that conspiracy supporters believed Mia was murdered by Courtney and Nikolas was of course involved too.After the year 2002 I havent heard of it anymore.Wait that year Mia's killer was caught
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: I'm not familiar with Zapata's case and what bearing does it have on the Cobain case? Even if someone else killed Zapata, Hartshorne could still be crooked as hell and Courtney a murderer.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 YOU MAKE UP SUCH CRAZY STORIES. WHO WAS THIS HANDWRITTING EXPERT THAT YOU CONTACTED? I'M GONNA CALL YOU OUT IN ALL YOUR LIES.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 JUDYLEASUGAR PLEASE SPELL OUT WITH FACTS HOW KURT WAS KILLED? WHO DID IT? WHY? AND HOW? AND WHAT DIRECT, LOGICAL EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE THAT SUPPORTS THIS?
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
After Mias killer was sentenced to jail in 2004,all these conspiracy supporters erased all "the evidence" they had from the internet. Maybe that's why you haven't heard of it, you started your research too late.
In Forensic Files they explain the relationship Nikolas had with the music scene. As I told you, it was Nikolas who identified Mia because he had seen her band live.And the case was solved cos he froze saliva of the murderer until it could be properly analysed (in 2002).
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: Wow, you think because Hartshorne actually did his job regarding Zapata that prvoes he was not complicit with Courtney Love in covering up the murder of Kurt Cobain? How does a completely separate case prove anything? I feel sorry for both you and EdinAmmar.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 listen up chicken little. YOU HAVE GIVEN NO FACTS OR LOGIC THAT BACK UP ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY. ALL THE INFO YOU GET AND RELY ON IS FROM SECOND HAND SOURCES WHO WERE'NT CLOSE TO KURT. I HAVE PROVEN YOU WRONG THAT KURT WAS ON DRUGS IN 1994 AND THAT HE HAD BEEN TO "NUMEROUS" REHABS. I PROVED THIS BY GIVING NAMES (OF CLOSE PERSONAL FRIENDS OF KURT AND USING KURTS OWN WORDS). ALL THE PROOF YOU GAVE WAS THE BUZZCOCKS AND HIS GRANDPARENTS. TELL ME AGAIN HOW WAS KURT KILLED?
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: I refer to interviews by people who really knew Kurt. For your information most court cases don't have eye witness accounts and can only go on the evidence. That makes evidence very important.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 INTERVIEWS OF PEOPLE WHO REALLY KNEW KURT LIKE WHO THE BUZZCOCKS AND HIS ESTRANGED GRANDPARENTS? YER A JOKE. YOU CANT PICK AND CHOOSE WHEN YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO KURTS FRIENDS AND WHAT THEY SAY. KURT'S CLOSE FRIENDS ARE ON RECORD SAYING HE WAS A JUNKY IN 1994 AND THEY ARE ALSO ON RECORD SAYING THAT HE DIDED FROM SUICIDE. YER HEAD IS SOO SCREWED UP. YOU CANT MAKE ONE LOGICAL, STATEMENT.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: I have already answered that. You're basically repeating the same thing over and over and not really listening to my response.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 NO YOU NEVER ANSWERED THAT ALL YOU DID WAS POST SOME RAMBLING COMMENTS ABOUT THE SEATTLE POLICE BEING PREJUDICE AGAINST ADDICTED PUNKS. WHICH MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL.. JUDYLEASUGAR WHY DONT YOU POST EXACTLY WHAT WENT DOWN WITH KURT?
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: I would suggest you get professional help, you really sound like you need it.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 WHO IS THE PARNOID ONE THAT BELIVES THE COPS, CORNER, COURTNEY LOVE, THE D.A., AND EVEN KURTS CLOSE FRIENDS, ARE EITHER IN ON A PLOT TO KILL KURT OR HELPING TO COVER IT UP. WHO IS THE ONE THAT SAY'S THEY HIRED WRITTING EXPERTS TO LOOK AT THE KURTS NOTE (WITHOUT GIVING ANY NAMES). BASICALLY, YOU ARE MAKING UP PEOPLE (EXPERT HANDWRITTER) AND THEN YOU BELIVE THE WORDS OF THE BUZZCOCKS AND HIS GRANDPARENTS OVER PEOPLE WHO REALLY KNEW KURT. GET HELP CHICKEN LITTLE THE SKY IS FALLIN
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 I use nothing but facts and logic. YOU rely on rumors, or 2 hand accounts and even cite estranged relatives. Every one of your agruments can be proved false at the justicforkurt website. FACT you make stuff up. YOU said you "contacted a handwritting expert". FACT, you claim workers at exhodus said kurt was'nt on drugs without giving names or info. FACT you are parnoid cause no sane person belives the da, the corner, police,courtney love and the media, played a role. haha
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: Leland was not estranged from Kurt. I don't "make stuff up." You say my points can be proven wrong and yet you don't show how.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 FACT, YOU RELY ON RUMOR AND SECOND HAND ACCOUNT. FACT YOU MAKE UP LIES LIKE CONTACTING A HANDWRITTING EXPERT(NO NAMES OR PROOF), AND CLAIMING THAT THERE WERE WORKERS IN EXHODUS WHO SAID KURT WASNT ON DRUGS (WITHOUT GIVING ANY NAMES). FACT YOU DIDNT BELIVE KURT WENT TO REHAB 3X AND HE DID (BEFORE AND AFTER FRANNY AND EXHOUDS). THIS IS PROOF OF U MAKING UP LIES AND NOT KNOWING A THING.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
Kurt killed himself. No evidence to prove murder:
-morphine in his blood 1.52mg: a lie by the seattle post intelligencer citing "a source".The autopsy is confidential.
-lack of fingerprints: bullshit, 6 fingerprint cards were lifted.
-the note: a washington state handwriting forensic determined it was written by Kurt. What other experts with bad copies printed from the internet think is not legit. You need the original to see where the trace of a certain letter starts and ends, pressure, etc.
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: (1) A chemist named Roger Lewis DID look at the official autopsy and he wrote the article "Dead Men Don't Pull Triggers," stating the 1.52 mgs per liter of heroin, enough said. (2) As I said, there were no LEGIBLE prints. (3) Oh gee, one handwriting expert who was too chicken to go out on a limb. Let's compare that to all the others who said there were 2 handwritings on the note, including a handwriting expert I consulted.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
(1) Proof Roger Lewis did look at the autopsy? I've read the article and his research is good but he ASSUMES Kurt had 1,52mg/l, so in this case it's not relevant. He talks about "traces of a diazepam like substance". Had he read the autopsy he'd be more specific. Wait! That's what the article citing "a source" said. That's what he DID read,a fucking newspaper. You know that an authorization is required to access documents. Have you seen it?Have you heard him say he did read the autopsy?
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: What? You're saying Roger Lewis, a professional, didn't look at the official autopsy despite the fact that it was available to him? Why would a professional risk his reputation in this way? You don't make sense. Lewis focussed on the heroin level, not the valium. You're trying to blur the facts but you're not succeeding.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
You still fail at proving what you say happened. Roger Lewis based his article in the assumption of what the media reported not in the autopsy. Prove me wrong! You cant because what you say never happened. keep lying if you want but you're not fooling rational people, only idiots.
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: Roger Lewis looked at the actual autospy. Professionals in forensics have access.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 NO THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE TRUE ACCESS TO THE AUTOPSY RECORDS ARE THE SEATLE CORNER AND THE COBAIN FAMILY. YOU CANT BELIVE A THING THAT COMES OUT OF JUDYLEASUGAR'S MOUTH CAUSE ANYONE WHO WOULD TYPE AND BELIVE THAT " THE SEATTLE POLICE WERE PREJUDICE AGAINST ADDICTED PUNKERS" IS CRAZY.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: No, people in the forensics industry have access.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
(2) Don't lie. You exactly said "lack of fingerprints". Don't change what you said, you cant fool us.
sweat + movement = no legible
(3) The only handwriting expert that analysed the ORIGINAL NOTE said it was written by Cobain. The same expert who has been working for the state of washington for decades. If you went to an expert show us proof,what you say is words.And I tell you again, you went to an expert with a copy of a copy (of a copy?) of the original note.Experts would make fun of you.
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: I meant lack of legible fingerprints, sheesh. Movement of a gun firing can't wipe clean the legibleness of prints by 3 people (and there were probably more than three people, it was from a pawn shop), didn't we argue about this on another video? A number of valid handwriting experts have been consulted, some by television shows, who felt there were 2 handwritings on the note. Enough doubt to reopen the investigation, that's all I'm saying.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 ANYONE WHO BELIVES THAT THE SEATTLE POLICE WERE AGAINST KURT AND OTHERS WHO WERE ADDICTED TO DRUGS HAS MENTAL ISSUES. YOU NEED TO SEEK HELP WITH YOUR PARNOID FEELINGS. . THERE IS NO RECORD OR FACTS THAT SUPPORT THAT KURT WAS EVER CLEAN OFF OF HEROIN. NONE OF HIS CLOSE PERSONAL FRIENDS HAVE EVER SAID THAT HE STOPPED USING HEROIN.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: Kurt's closest friends did say he was not on drugs in '94. You didn't read what I said. And Courtney took care of that evidence didn't she, by cremating the body immediately? Moving on now. Good luck with that little problem of logic you have.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 WHO WAS THIS CLOSE FRIEND OF KURTS WHO SAID HE WASNT ON DRUGS IN 94? GIVE ME NAMES. A LOGICAL PERSON USES FACTS AND DATA TO SUPPORT THEIR OPINIONS. I GAVE YOU FACTS ABOUT HIS REHABS THAT BACK UP WHAT I'M SAYING WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS? YOU CANT TALK ABOUT HIS ROME MEDICAL RECORDS CAUSE THEY WERE NOT RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC. FACT. FACT. KRIS, DYLAN, AND DAVE ARE ALL ON THE RECORD SAYING KURT USED DRUGS IN 1994. YER SOO CAUGHT UP WITH HATING COURTNEY THAT YOU DONT SEE THE FACTS.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: You didn't give me facts, you gave me misinformation. Two musicians who have said Kurt was not on drugs: Buzzcocks bassist Tony Barber and Peter Shelley, vocalist. Leland and Iris Cobain. The workers at Exodus said he showed no signs of recent drug use. I would suggest looking at the justiceforkurt website.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 yer a fucking joke. THE BUZZCOCKS WERE'NT FRIENDS OF KURTS AT ALL LET ALONE "CLOSE FRIENDS" THEY PLAYED A HANDFULL OF SHOWS IN EUROPE. THATS ALL THE BUZZCOCKS EVER KNEW OF KURT PERSONALLY. AS FOR LELAND AND IRIS, THEY KNEW NOTHING OF KURTS DRUG ADDICTION AND ARE HARDLY "FIRST PERSON" ACCOUNT OF KURTS LIFE IN 1994. AS FOR EXHODUS, who is this worker at said he had no signs of recent drugs abuse? YOU HAVE NO FACTS OR LOGIC JUST RUMORS. GET A LIFE.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: Kurt was friends with members of the Buzzcocks before he became famous. I've corresponded with Leland and he is a very perceptive person. Workers at Exodus are trained in drug addiction. You don't know what you're talking about. You're not listening.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 WHAT IS THE NAME OF THIS HAND WRITTING EXCEPERT YOU CONSULTED? WAS IT DOCTOR NICK FROM THE SIMPSON'S. YER A DUMB, LITTLE GIRL WHO BELIVES THE SKY IS FALLING.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
Ok people, sit down because according to the reliable source that is judywhatshername Kurt never had a heroin problem. He probably confused rehab with a spa...
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: You people haven't provided me with any documented evidence Kurt was on heroin in '94.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 WHEN WAS THIS MAGICAL MOMENT IN KURT'S LIFE WHEN HE WAS CLEAN FROM DRUGS AND STOPPED USING HEROIN? CAUSE DAVE, KRIS,DYLAN, AND EVERYONE CLOSE TO HIM HAD AN INTERVENTION. WHY WOULD EVER SINGLE PERSON WHO WAS CLOSE TO KURT SAY THAT HE WAS USING HEROIN AND WAS A HEROIN ADDICT. YOU USE NO LOGIC OR REASONING FOR ANY OF YOUR OPINIONS.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: When Kurt entered the hospital in Rome his blood showed no morphine. Fellow musicians on his last tour said he was not on drugs at the time. His grandfather said he was not on drugs. Really, the only person who says he was on drugs in '94 is Courtney Love, a proven liar. The intervention was a sham, Krist and Dave didn't go. You say a lot of incorrect things.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
6 cards of fingerprints were lifted. As I've told there are a lot of reasons to explain why the prints are no legible:
-EXCESSIVE SWEATING
-FRICTION WITH CLOTHES
-RAINWATER...
Keep believing in a mysterios murderer who wiped them off
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: So you're saying the action of Kurt firing the shotgun took off all those prints? Come on, how could that have happened? There was no rain inside the greenhouse.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
And that's my point... Focus on Kurt's fingerprints and why they were illegible. The example of rainwater was to prove that Dylan's prints are not relevant since you say at least 3 people handled the shotgun and their prints might be there.
So Kurt's prints were illegible because of EXCESSIVE SWEATING, THE MOVEMENT OF THE SHOTGUN WHEN FIRED and FRICTION WITH CLOTHES.
capisci?
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: You're not being logical. If someone fires a riffle obviously they don't wipe their clothes all over the surface of the gun in the process, including the trigger. It's just not possible.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
Wiping the trigger? That's what the movement of the shotgun does when it's fired.
So when you carry a shotgun from one place to another you mean there's no friction with your trousers and shirt, with the skin of your own arm? You're not being logic...
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: Well, we've already covered this. You're basically repeating the same thing over and over again in different words, so I'm going to move on now. I've already disproven you.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
I have the last word then. Summary of this argument:
(1) 6 CARDS of fingerprints were lifted
(2) Fingerprints were NOT LEGIBLE because of:
- excessive sweating
- movement of the shotgun when fired
- friction (with clothes, parts of the body...)
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@floppingnoni: No, illegible because the gun was wiped down. You haven't proven your position.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 HAHAHA NO YOU ARE WRONG. DAVE AND KRIS WERE AT THE INTERVENTION AS WAS DANNY GOLDBERG AND DYLAN. KRIS HAS SPOKEN ABOUT IT IN INTERVIEWS. AND KURT WAS NEVER CLOSE TO HIS GRANDFATHER AFTER HE BECAME FAMOUS SO WHAT HE HAS TO SAY IS IRREVALANT. YOU ARE JUST LIKE A CONSERVATIVE WHO SAYS ONE THING WHILE DENYING THE FACTS AND NOT USING LOGIC OR REASONING.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: A few music industry people and Courtney's drugie friends showed up for the intervention. Dave and Krist were not there. Krist never said that, you're very confused. Kurt had a good relationship with his grandfather Leland and more importantly, Leland Cobain is a very perceptive and honest person. He knew it when Kurt was stoned and when he wasn't, and he says Kurt was not on drugs the last time he saw him in '94.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
Hank Harrison states the suicide attempt in ROme was a "fake suicide". Kurt SLIPPED INTO A COMA. That was one hell of an act! You're just as stupid and crazy as he is if your believe anything this loon has to say.
melfaery 1 year ago
@melfaery: It wasn't a fake suicide, it was Courtney's first attempt to kill Kurt. I don't need Harrison's opinion to believe that, look at the facts.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago 9
@judyleasugar97 Her...first...attempt. lol Wow, she's truly Satan incarnate!
melfaery 1 year ago 3
@melfaery: Yes, I'm beginning to think she is. She fits the personality of a psychopath. I would suggest you google the symptoms if you doubt me.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago 3
@judyleasugar97 lol you're talking to someone with a Master's degree in behavioral science. She has sociopathic traits, definitely. Doesn't make her a murderer though.
melfaery 1 year ago
@melfaery: Courtney had the motive and the means. She tried to murder her first husband as well, set the bed on fire while he slept.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago 3
@judyleasugar97 MY EVIDENCE OF KURTS DRUG USES IS AN INTERVENTION AND HIS BEST FRIEND DYLAN, HIS BANDMATES (WHO WERE AT THE INTERVENTION). AND ON THE OTHER HAND YOU GOT JUDYLEASUGAR WHO IS USING THE BUZZCOCKS, AND HIS GRANDPARENTS (WHO WERE NOT IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH HIM IN 1994) AND SOME WORKER AT EXHODUS WHO IS UN-NAMED. JUDY IS HERE BY KNOWN AS CHICKEN LITTLE OR THE "GIRL" WHO CRIED WOLF.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: Where did you get your information? That pile of lies, "Heavier than Heaven"? None of what you said is true.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 EVERYTHING I SAID CAN BE FOUND ON GOOGLE AND IS BACKED UP IN INTERVIEWS THAT WERE GIVEN BY KRIS, DYLAN, AND WITNESS WHO WERE AT KURTS INTERVENTION. OH AND JUSTICEFORKURT HAS A REALLY REALLY NICE SECTION THAT DEBUNKS EVERYONE ONE OF JUDY'S WACKO THEORIES.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar Judydummys problem is that she is not able to realize that authorities said it was a suicide and gave evidence to prove it. We back up with official documents on the case and she tries to back up her theories with rumours and made up bullshit by idiots.
We dont need to prove anything because experts involved in the case cloncluded it was a suicide. Show us evidence of what you say. You know what Shakespeare meant when he wrote "words,words,words". That's you, words, no facts at all.
floppingnoni 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: I've already disproven everything you're saying there. We're going around in circles. Give it up.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 WHAT HAVE YOU DISPROVEN? WHAT HAVE YOU PROVEN? FACT NONE OF YOUR SOURCES ARE CLOSE PERSONAL FRIENDS OF KURT. FACT, YOU MAKE UP LIES FOR EXAMPLE YOU SAID YOU CONTACTED A WRITTING EXPERT YET YOU WONT NAME ANY NAMES. FACT, THE PROOF YOU HAVE THE KURT DIDNT USE DRUGS IN 94 IS HIS GRANPARENTS (WHOM HE WAS NOT IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH) AND 2 MEMBERS OF THE BUZZCOCKS WHO PLAYED A FEW SHOWS WITH KURT. WHILE I CAN DOCUMENT THAT DYLAN,KRIS,DAVE, DANNY GOLDBERG ALL SAY THAT HE WAS ON DRUGS.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
How was Kurt murdered? He had a 3 times lethal dose of heroin in his sytem, too much heroin to pick up a gun!
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@judyleasugar97 True i agree
dueliman 1 year ago 8
@judyleasugar97 YOU ARE ONE INSANE IDIOT. YOUR OWN WEBSITE THAT YOU USE TO COME UP WITH YER CRAZY THEORIES DIS-SPELLS EVERYTHING YOU SAY. WHY DONT YOU STICK TO SAYING 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB?
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: Why don't you tell me just how justiceforkurt and cobaincase dispell everything I say? I'm waiting.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@MadsenRockSchool HOW WAS HE MURDERED? WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE? GIVE ME A LOGICAL, FACTUAL, explanation ON HOW HE WAS "MURDERED"?
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
come on, no part 6??! at the BEST part.
allierzeznik95 1 year ago
I am in every way shape, form a huge Kurt/Nirvana fan, and I have almost embarrassingly so, done as much research on the whole "murder theory" and I bounced around the whole murder idea, but reading all the books I could, watching literally every film/clip that I could on the subject, I have come to the much educated conclusion that Kurt MOST likely committed suicide. The theories are very interesting and I thing so many people wanna believe he was killed, but I just don't think so anymore.
rsohlich1 1 year ago
Kurt should have gotten her before she got him.
nimodagoofball 1 year ago
oh, thats right no fingerprints on the gun that killed kurt
Raysfan2009 1 year ago
on the finger prints paper, the date says 6/4/93?? kurt died in 94
Raysfan2009 1 year ago
@Raysfan2009 it is kurts prints from a prevous charge
dragonfitter 1 year ago
i can't believe how much hatred hank has for Courtney.
it's very odd to me coz usually even if someone's child makes mistakes,it's almost instinctual for a parent to defend their child.
kaliyuta 1 year ago
lol @ him trying to get a room at the peninsula & ending up in the ramada inn.
that aside, tom grant's taped recordings of courtney are really alarming. at the very least, you get to hear how she wanted to twist her own husband's suicide around so that it benefited the release of her album, live through this. at the worst...well. you get to hear how the sociopathic mind works.
melfaery 1 year ago
<3 Tom Grant.
allsecretsknown 1 year ago
I love Kurt Cobain and I miss him he'll always be remembered by his fans and of course me one of his biggest fans too. I love Nirvana <333
talyaley 1 year ago
but why is it not done investigating? !!!!! wth??? it should be done years ago... is it the police is not good enough doing it? laziness is not the main thing but theres something behind it. if its courtney (im not a fan of her) why are they hiding it? its not the money...
mayluck11 1 year ago
@mayluck11 Im one of his biggest fans, too.
:D
allsecretsknown 1 year ago
Where's part 6?
CarryMe001 1 year ago 2
Kurt is the genuine thing, even till the end he stayed true to his punk rock ideals. FUCK that bitch, she was the reason for his death indirectly or directly--along with heroin.
Gloriamagnificens 2 years ago 7
I think she killed hm also, the motive is certainly there.
Gloriamagnificens 2 years ago 3
i think kurt was murder because how can you shoot heroin and write a letter and then grab a big shotgun and pull the trigger my opinion she killed or hired someone to kill kurt cause he was going to divorce her and all she wanted was fame and money (greedy bitch) i dont hate courtney or anything and her music is pretty cool but she thinks shes the shit cus she now owns some of nirvana's song and has kurt's daughter...
KimDanzig 2 years ago 2
@KimDanzig o agree with everythuing you said. But it is possible to do a shitload og heroin and still be able to pull the trigger etc. and the cop who says it is not possible, doesn't know about addictiion i guess.
circababe23 1 year ago
@KimDanzig detective not cop, sorry.
circababe23 1 year ago
@KimDanzig have you ever shot dope? were you ever hooked on heroin? If you were addicted you would know that a persons tolerance to heroin greatly increases with long term use. Start shooting dope and then talk about "how can you shoot heroin and write a letter and then grab a big shotgun and pull the trigger". Yer a fuckin idiot. grow up.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago
@EdinAmmar: There is no case on record of anyone, even the most addicted person out there, who could function on a 3 times lethal dose of heroin. And there was also valium in his system. Face it, someone else pulled the trigger.
judyleasugar97 1 year ago
@KimDanzig ERRR THIS IS GETTING ANNOYING. KIM DO YOU HAVE ANY INTELLIGENCE. FACT, heroin turns into morphine when it enters the body and a typical heroin addict can properly function on the levels of heroin found in his body. Do yourself a fav. go and get a copy of kurts death certificate and ask a corner if a heroin addict can function on the levels found in kurts body. Lastly, kurt and courtney were married and therefore she owns anything that belonged to kurt when he died. GET A LIFE.
EdinAmmar 1 year ago 2
@EdinAmmar He had a new kid, he was going to get away from the slut, and wanted to get away from music HE WAS ALMOST DONE WITH ALL THIS SO WHY WOULD HE KILL HIMSELF?
lancekennady 1 year ago 4