it's time we moved beyond the question of are we being visited by aliens?..and except the fact that yes we are and have been for millions of years.We need to focus on who are the good guy's,who are the curious guy's and who are the evil one's.It is apparent for the most part that we are being observed only,thank god by far superior beings.. the secret U.S millitary most certainly know's the truth or a hell of a lot more than they admit,but don't hold your breath waiting for them to tell us.
In 1981 I was living on the outskirts of San Antonio and one night was beamed out of my bed (at lightening speed) onto a UFO. As I stood before a monitor looking at the earth below, a man's voice behind me and to my left said, "The entire north American continent is becoming mechanized." The instant he finished saying those words I was shot back down to my bed!
UFOs are real and I speculate that one day the types like this Stephenville (with inverted cones) will be picking us up and ... camps!
I like to watch movies like Contact, War of the Worlds, Invasion of the Bodysnatchers, Transformers, The Day the earth Stood Still, Signs, and others, and try very hard to apply them all to real life, because normal, factual life is very boring. You are born, live for a time, and then die. Contrary to popular belief.
Another "idea"...How about a satelite that can project these huge spanning orb formations into our atmosphere. They could have unlimited size, no sound, and take on whatever shape or color that our eyes could perceive....hmmm.
And another thing......Do all of these "trained observers", military pilots, air traffic controllers, police...ETC> have top level NSA or DOD access to go into all of the military bases of the US, and world for that matter, to observe what kind of technology we "dumb-ass humans" have built, and are capable of? Someone answer this for me. I wonder if Orville Wright would come back today, and look @ the flying craft that we have built, and come to the conclusion that it must all be alien tech..lol
I went to high school in Stephenville, Tx. Graduated in 1997. My friend and I saw one of the orange "orb's" while out crusing one night...We were abut half-way to stoned. Anyway, we just kind of looked at each other, and kept on riding. All I have to say is that our government is very secretive, and the military is very well funded. Anything "amazing, and awe-inspiring" that is not shot down in our airspace is constructed and owned by us......................one opinion.
What makes this a great case if you look at all the testimony and evidence. Several eye witnesses, several trained observers. A daytime sighting describing the craft as being a half mile wide by one mile long. FAA confirms radar at that time and area. The gov later claimed they were f-16s flying in formation to feed the public. YOU be the judge!
That area is very near a high speed MOA (Military Operations Area). Check out a Sectional Chart and you can see that. If this/these were genuine flying craft, they were military craft flying in formation or experimental or classified.
The week after north of fort worth TexasI saw some object fall out of the sky I reported it and everyone thought i was crazy I left it to that ,but i now what i saw and i have proofs. As a matter of fact the field was on fire and a car driving by,on there way to Ok. turned the fire of and they saw it as well.
It would be great if just once they stopped editing interviews into 5 second sound bites and let the witnesses actually talk. Good grief. Annoying. (PS News people: Stop showing the Moon when they talk about sightings. The implied subtext is these "stupid" people mistook the moon for a UFO)
no now event the most sceptical scientist belives in UFO's, yea its a UFO as its unidentified, its weather it alien craft or earth bound is what you meant to be asking not if you belive in UFO
@innocentchild2 Yeah, but if they say publically this, they are professionally burned by the scientific Inquisition ( NASA, SETI, Eskeptical Inquirers, and so on), in the same way that Catholic Church burned Bruno Giordiano for saying in a book that the universe is plenty of life in the X Century.
Think about it like this...Why would you want to give advanced knowledge to a civilization who just uses it to kill eachother. Why would they give us theyre technology if it's not benevolent to all races, meaning we don't go to outerspace and destroy and enslave other weak minded "humanoid" lets say people from another planet. WE ALL have to grow up asa society... We need to end all wars and show peace and love i think before we have any significant contact or interaction
either were going to continue being denied the information and the general population will laugh at anybody who see's one. Or the Zeta Reticuli and Pleadians will show us the true meaning of life. We probably need to grow up as a society and untill the day we don't shoot at them im afraid theyre let us find out on our own.
it's about time we're connecting with life from around the universe. i'm SO HAPPY TO be alive at this time to see all of it happenning. I can't wait to move forward. I was born for this. Have you seen the limo UFO yet. Yup, they're gonna scoop me up and roll the red carpet out for me once we arrive to planet "Arsonsequa" 5 galaxies away. I've done enough study with the Human Race. Just a tad bit more sophisticated than the urangutang.
it fucking pisses me off when people say shit like the last couple people. Like the guy who said "ufo nuts" like anyone who believes in ufos is a nut. and the bitch that said "i think its crazy." both of those people r fucking idiots. there is no question that there r ufos, grow up people. the only questions that should be asked is: what r they? and where do they come from?
I think we need to go into a crowd of skeptics, and start swinging with baseball bats. Try to aim for the head, thats where their misunderstanding is coming from!
@newy219 Agree..There is only probably 40 billion different human lifeforms just in our galaxy. Not to mention there are probably close to 40 billion galaxys do the math. Yeah we are alone ooooooookkkkkkkkkkk
@31jda really? and how do u know this? other than just assumption...i think the 1989 belgium ufo is very good evidence that they likely could be extraterrestrial...considering that if any human were to fly at the speeds it was tracked moving they would have been dead
@newy219 OK.....Who can say for sure that we don't have the technology ourselves? Who says that some, if not all of the "crafts" are unmanned? Like I said, the comment I made is "one opinion". It is easy to come to the conclusion, that if we haven't seen something before that is flying around in the sky, it has to be from another planet. I am just one to believe that the simplest explination is the correct one, and like I said, I have seen "one" myself.
@newy219 If you are not from the United States, you should move here....We have something called freedom of speech....It is what you are using to voice your childish, pre-pubecent opinions....Which are very imaginative and entertaining. Use your common sense, and not your cinema fueled imagination, and you will come to simpler conclusions buddy.
@31jda I am from the U.S. and I don't have cinema fueled imaginatiion, I'm just open minded unlike u and look at all possible explanations. U on the other hand assume that since it seems so unlikely that aliens could come to earth they must be manmade and u work backwords from that theory, u don't actually look at the evidence and then come up with a conclusion. Its funny how all u dumbass skeptics never actually answer questions, u just deny that ufo's could be extraterrestrial.
@newy219 ....Open minded for what??? To look for some excitement in an otherwise meaningles, pointless exsistence....You can post an "I told you so!" the day they land and shake your hand....lol...TTYL!
@31jda so answer my fucking question...although u probably don't know anything about the 1989 Belgium ufo I questioned u about, but do some research. Then give me your explanation on how that was a man made craft. I'm sure regardless of what evidence u look at no matter what your answer will be that its a manmade craft since u already have your mind made up,so this is just a big waste of time. btw what i said is that is seems LIKELY to not be manmade, but i wont pretend to know the answer
@newy219 ...What took you so long...lmao....When ET comes and takes you home.....let me know....Send me another Email attached to an anal probe or something...lol....I have more imporant things to worry about..kk, like what kind of casket I should shop for in case I die tomorrow.
Why is it that all the people that witness these incredible (and true) events are really CRAP artists! For the love of my scrotum, can someone please draw a decent drawing of a UFO.
in the 60s a guy who owned a radio stadion made a joke about that the city whas atacked by ufos and it whas full panic ower the city and after the panic that man whas taken to area 51 and he got alot of wierd questions this is from a documentari and its true all of this just check it if you dont belive me they even got newspaper on some of the museum in that city
Hmm well the plot seems actually very close! But I would have thought that the listeners would not have fallen into the same scenairo of panic, etc. Which city was it? I'll see what I can find on the web!
in the 50s they found a ufo and they found some wierd things in it back then the goverment didnt care about if people did see it becouse then they where to busy with fiksing stuff after the war and a new war whas coming in korea so it came in the news but then it came many wierd looking guys to the city they found the ufo and deleted the news clip or tryed to delete it and sayd to the people who did see the ufo to not talk to anyone about it and some miles outside of that city is area 51 now
If supposed "UFO'S" weren't goverment coverup's would we need such a secrative airbase named "Area 51" that you can't get within 28 miles of. Come on people there's no need for an investagation. It's right infront of our face. I don't blame our goverment for covering thing's up, This is for whatever saftey of our country and whatever they're creating is working pretty damn good so far. Hell they still got people believeing the whole UFO thing.
Black, At this point you've cycled through your same old tactics and lies about 3 times. I guess you hope to make each old cycle disappear beneath the bulk of comments that I've addressed point by point. I've posted information here for the good people of the U.K. but black, thanks for asking the questions that helped me do a better job. I have a plane to catch and a sound track to work on. cheers. I'll delete your comment notices as spam now. I know your lonely out here.
Well I guess I won the arguement, so I accept your submission with all the grace I can muster. I will not press the point home and rub your nose in it. The gold medal goes to me!
Black, You refer to just one of many polls taken. An owner of a paper for fraud about what? You give no evidence or details. Provide all the specifics about that case and what the fraud was about in that case. Provide the evidence that shows that all census workers were in on a fraud specifically about UFOs.
Black, You get off topic and I didn't even vote for George Bush. As I've said before under another video, most of your fellow Brit's disagree with your stance on UFOs and UFO cover up. I stand by them and respect most Brits and admire much about thier culture. Your either deeply out of touch, being a shill, or just mentally ill. I'm not without empathy for the latter but you need to get help before you can make friends and I'm not here for that. I'm just here to support freedom of information.
And as I said before the owner of that newspaper the poll was in is now in a prison for fraud. And please stop been abusive, it does your cause no good! In the kingdom of the blind the one eyed are kings. I'm not one eyed but you are blind! (If you want to be abusive you are an amateur, so refrain yourself). Either you are making money out of this myth or so closed minded that you don't want a open investigation, only if it comes to your conclusion! You have freedom of information,live with it!
John Calihan was in charge of the FAA's accident and *investigation* department and he's more direct and key to the details of that event. Not Linden! Why also was a 2006 major UFO case dropped when 50 pilots all went to the FAA about another object over a the worlds busiest airport? Guess what ? It's called a *cover up* and there's been a lot evidence of UFO cover up. Even a federal judge has ruled evidence of UFO cover up. So we need a real investigation.
Sorry but your source is dead wrong and so is your approach. All we have to do is read down the thread for multiple examples of your many mistakes, lies, half baked sources and false blanket statements. I'm beginning to think your actually mentally ill in some way but it's also likely that you already know we need a real investigation to get to the answer and your so upset by us wanting one. That's too bad though, you should put your heart and mind to a better use.
And John Lynden the head of your FAA investigated the incident and if it was so serious how come it was dropped. Because if it wasn't it would still be making headline news! Would that not be classed as a REAL investigation? Of course not because it didn't agree with your point of view! And now you are turning abusive again! Such a shame I thought we were friends! But Yanks are only friends with Brits when they want to invade a country over non-exixtant WMD and get their pet dog Bliar to bark!
BTW Black..your the one not relying on the first hand data that was recorded on the radar or black boxes or pilots testimony. This is deception on your part and your relying on deception from a weak third hand opinon.
"Klass, an editor with the magazine Aviation Week and Space -Technology and a longtime investigator of UFO sightings". Well Aviaton Week seems, by the title, to be reputable source. Not like all the other sources I came across on the web! Remember Dr Goebbels if you are going to tell a lie tell a big one! In otherwords they were the size of aircraft carriers! Anyhow with all these sightings there must be some solid evidence somewhere that can be displayed at a public forum! No I didn't think so!
This all goes to prove we really need an investigation more than ever instead of just one individuals random opinon. Especially when they are as unrelated to the actual chain of events and given data as that one from Klass.
LOL We loved that one! That's a hilarious debunker lie of epic proportion. Now Re read all the details I listed below which do not correlate with your debunker hand bible of weak excuses and lame cover up attempts. Radar, black boxes, and pilot testimony all together put that dumb excuse in the trash like the lies of project blue book. Did you manage to even make it to college before you became a debunker puppet?
Well your reply is not really worth a comment, because you are relying on third party evidence instead of common sense, again!. Deflection techniques because you know you have ran out of places to run and are now desperate to save face! In boxing terms you were knocked out, you were up against the ropes but have now been put out of your misery. You are punch drunk and seeing stars having gone one fight to many. Never mind it happens all the time even Ali had to admit defeat in the end.
I said that radar and black box recordings were all in sync. Read carefully from now on And BTW...I think "Peter Sellers" was your greatest legendary comedian as well as an amazing actor but this UFO report I mention was certainly no scene from "Dr. Strange Love". It was the real deal and it needs to be investigated.
NEW YORK A Japan Air Liner pilot .Unidentified Flying Object over Alaska... probably seeing an unusually bright image of the planet Jupiter, an investigator said. Philip Klass said astronomical calculations show that Jupiter was extremely bright and was visible precisely where the pilot reported that he saw the UFO. Mars was just below and to the right of Jupiter, and may explain the pilot's initial report that he saw two lights, Klass said.. Seems like a urban myth again!
It *was* world wide news then! Look it up. It was the lead story on our national news here but it was never followed up on, hence the coverup which is now why you should begin to understand my point about these things needing to be investigated. Black boxes record flight and voice details not radar!....duh... lol! No information was lost in translation. Come on now, your killing us with laugh attacks over here now.
Well you did infer in an earlier posting that radar information was stored on the black box, which by the way are not black. My no wonder "Benny Hilll" was our greatest TV export if that is the level of your humour.
Nope...The craft described by those japanese pilots were huge glowing round objects the size of aircraft carriers and also stealth bombers show next to nothing on a radar signature. That's part of the reason they are called "stealth" bombers.
Yes but stealth bombers have to be developed and I suspect they did not get it right first time! Objects the size of aircraft carriers, why was this not worldwide news then? And still is! Or was it just filed because it was of no consequence? Since when do "black boxes" record radar details? President Reagan is this the same guy who thought that Pricess DI's name was David? Anyhow information could be lost in translation, crashes have caused by mistakes due to translation problems.
One interesting case is the 1986 UFO incident involving a Japanese cargo jet over Alaska. Pilots described 2 large heavy looking craft in trail with them. Multiple air tower radar hits from military and civilian towers along the way correlate in perfect synch with black box recordings and radar prints. John Calihan was in charge of the FAA's accident and investigation department at the time and had a meeting about it with president Regan. He was also on Larry King live with this whole story.
Since there has been a very large number of reported UFO cases from on duty radar operators, airline and military pilots alone not even to mention ground sightings, we know we need to have a good investigating about the objects reported in our restricted air space. Friendly fire incidents happen in lots of wars and have always been understood and confirmed as such later. Thus the term "friendly fire". Nothing like odd details of UFO cases reported over major metropolitan areas etc. etc.
That's right. There's no infringement of air space by optical illusions because an illusion doesn't register on radar. Objects register on radar and an investigation will now be needed to verify what sort of objects are intruding so much in our air space.
Correct illusions do not register on radar! So who exactly says there are? Some unkown military personel or long retired officer wanting to make a few bucks for little effort and expanding on, shall I say, a half-truth. I mean there are numerous reports of military action against the likes of Venus for example and plenty of friendly fire incidents in Iraq. So the military aren't that good at identifying the "enemy", considering howmany Brits have been wiped out.
I never claimed a UFO is anything else right now other than an unidenifed flying object that's been flying in our nations restricted airspace. There is no need to fear an investigation. It can't hurt . So if you don't mind, we will keep pushing for one.
Unidentified flying objects are exactly that, untill they are identified and that is it.There is no mass infringement of air space, by optical illisions, etc, etc, perhaps, but that's all!
Ok black...Well in that case you won't mind us getting a real UFO investigation because if your as right as you claim to be, then that will finally settle the matter for you and for everyone else. If you have nothing to loose, then it won't bother you a bit. The simple sword of truth is an investigation that can cut through all the talk.
For your information "your" in this context should be "you're". A real UFO investigation, what would that be then? Because if it is real I already know what the conclusion is! As per Occam's Razor! I will not be bothered but what about you? Will you be able to confront the truth and come to terms will the impossiblity of ET not existing?
If you really hate this topic so much, then maybe you should just go find a peaceful hobby that doesn't make you so upset. You no longer need to keep commenting to me because your not going to change my mind and your not going to change roughly 70 percent of the populations minds. Wanting a real investigation can't hurt anything so get over it.
I don't hate this subject, I'm just armed with the simple sword of truth! It is my mission, where there is discord may I bring harmony! In other words reality. And 70% of the population must be infected with the stupid gene if they are in command of the full facts.
I have long standing marriage with an awesome family and I just had another one of my songs get picked up for an independent film. The only thing *you* can "expect" from me and many others is to voice our rights to have honest investigations about something as important as this. It's something that's been denied to us for too long and there is more than ample proof of cover up going on with UFOs. Pure and simple.
Well as Dr Goebbels said if you are going to tell a lie tell a BIG one people are most likely to believe that one. But in the end he got it wrong! Take a little disinformation and expand on it and voila! A fully blown theory that has gained legs and become bloated. Out of all recognisation from the original facts! Ignore the real evidence and make everybody that disagree as heretics, in his case just kill them. End of problem.
I don't think it's been denied from us for too long. Cause i think if they told people how much of mine and your hard earned money goes into it there would be ongoing murders of high ranked goverment officials.
To have an honest investigation doesn't even mean anyone has to go into it with the fixed presumption that every UFO is extraterrestrial in origin. It still means however, that you go into it with an open mind for all things considered to find the most likely answer. That's how Accams Razor works in it's true application to find the right answer. In some cases, the simplest explanation in that applied principle is that "some" UFOs" *may* be alien craft.
The problem with you although you say everything is up for consideration you are so angry when somebody suggests that it can/will not be ET, I suspect that would be the only answer you would accept! You hope that the x% that can not be explained so therefore it must be ET. That is more of a faith rather investigtion. Just accept that ET does not exist become a lot calmer and happy with your life. I think you are unhappy and are looking for a meaning in your life, which would be supplied by ET.
Black, how many more giant lies do you want to tell. This has been the source of CNN news documentaries as well as "History Channel" and CNN news Larry King Live. They still need much more investigating and reporting but that much is out and it's all been fact checked and part of world history.
Hoyt Vandenberg was a highly decorated US air force officer who was put in charge of an investigative military team even before Project Bluebook. It was put together by the air force to find out what UFOs were and where they came from. The team reported back to Hoyt to say they concluded that the only plausible explanation with all things considered (Accams razor style ) that the extraterrestrial explanation was actually the least complicated explanation for a certain percentage of UFO reports.
A B 52 bomber was diverted from it's flight path to circle around the missile base in Minot North Dakota. Military personal on the ground and crew of the B 52 reported seeing a very large heavy looking metallic object a few hundred feet long hovering low in the air in dead silence by the base. Captured clearly on radar and viewed from below by people on the ground and from above by the flight crew, the blue book committee report concluded they were all seeing "stars".
I bet this is all here say evidence! You read it in a book, magazine, on the internet, saw a video from a dodgy source, dare I say youtube! Sorry not admissable as credible evidence! And with all the friendly fire incidents that have happened in Iraq why should we think that the military are always right when it comes to identification? Occam's Razor rules OK, the simplest reason is usually the right one!
UFOs mean "unidentified" and these unidentified things are reported going into our countries restricted air space during a time of terrorism. There are hundreds of witness testimony by USA military personal, many of which are the same people that have their fingers on the buttons of IBMs reporting that these unidentified things appeared then all power to IBM's went out. So...what? mass military insainty? or UFOs? Either is an issue of national security deserving BIG investigation.
Military Pilots are trained to know the difference between a star and a large metallic object hovering over a nuclear missile base. If they don't, then our military is full of insane people that hold the keys to our countries biggest defense systems. Whoever doesn't want these kinds of things investigated is basically, manipulative or crazy.
In 1953 President Truman ordered the CIA to make recommendations to the air force on how to handle UFOs. The CIA then convened a panel headed by Physicist HP Roberts. The Roberts panel said "We must do something to remove the aura of mystery from the UFO phenomena so that people no longer take them seriously and don't bother to report them. Media coverage must be suppressed.. Methods are #1.Ridicule. Project Bluebook was task to debunk UFOs and anyone that reports a UFO.
Of course the was a security situation! Because in the very early days there was no complete radar coverage around America. And these "UFOs" were unidentifable, so not to create a sense of powerless they were hushed up, etc! And no doubt a false trail was laid to divert and confuse the populace. After all I think security is a big thing in your consitution, unfortunately they were so good that it and it assumed a life of its own. I read Project Bluebook more years ago than I like to remember.
Really?...What's biased is when we had peolpe telling a Team lead and a scientist what to spin for our country's only official yet fake UFO investigation. That scientist, Alan Hyneck, ended up revoking that investigation and it's set up along with others in the military then and now. So what we need now is honest investigation to determine whether or not there really is good or bad evidence.
Blackadder. I guess you have some troubling reading so *once again*, I'll tell you I favor real investigation but never said anything conclusive about ETs. I'm sorry but I highly doubt you'ev looked into documents or 1st hand report files in any educated or investigative manner. Saying we're "wasting time" is your narrow headed opinon. Who's really interested your gullible cult book phases or funky religious mishaps in here. I think your the one wasting time with your insults and closed mind.
There you go again distorting the truth, but what do you expect from a "ufoliest". So called research and evidence is biased, has been for the last 40 years! Ever since Adamski at al. PS If you want to donate just send your bank details and I will take out just enough to cover my costs, honest!
Then blackadder, since you claim to *not* be against anyone researching UFOs, you totally won't mind at all if they research these places and UFO reports for themselves to draw their own conclusions. You also won't mind if we all look into the documents of people much more qualified than you. I hope you at least get paid for what your trying to do. Still, No person or agency has the right to block information like this or ridicule people reporting it or for seeking it.
I don't mind at all you or anybody else is wasting their time trying to solve the UFO myth. What I object to is people distorting the truth for their own gain! Because as you know I looked into this 40 years ago and fell for it! After all no body would write a book claiming they have actual had contact withET? Well guess what they did! And more "they" also claimed that god came from the stars, because it is all in the bible! PS I don't get paid for this, but you can donate if you wish.
BTW folks, Also The "Freedom of Information Act " has also been revised in recent years to allow more even access in researching documents and reports. At the "The Coalition for freedom of information" website you can also read peer reviewed articles. There's ample information free to research and cross reference on all the places I mentioned Also "History Channel" has been focusing more on this very interesting part of our government and world history with some great information.
What's that blackadder?....You say your words like simple bull droppings fall to the ground? lol.. Oh ok, I can just hold my nose and walk over them. We really don't need all your B.S. about our presidents all being "interbred" or radar reports all being "urban myth". But hey man, thanks at least for being the bad kind of contrast that provided a sound board to what others can read or hunt for now. I suppose you actually helped in ways I didn't first realize. Cool. ;-))
As you well know that that statement was ironic, which means "...conveys the opposite to what was said...", for your benifit . And as you are getting more abusive I must assume that your point of view is so weak that you have given up "logical" thought. And have come to the end and seen the truth of my arguements otherwise you have lost it!
Also CUFOS' quarterly magazine, consistently publishes important and interesting peer reviewed articles and commentary. In addition, there's the Center's Journal of UFO Studies, peer-reviewed, presenting the results of work by top people in the field. I guess I'm posting this more for other peoples benifit than for you. Any other valid evidence such as radar records that do certatinly exist obviously means nothing to blackadder.
Illwindrunner why aren't you reply to my comments any more? I've got search if you just post and I have a lot on! All these projects labs, organisation etc are not really unbaised are them. I've read about them, they distort, lie, deliver mis-information, at best extravagaent and no doubt they profit from keeping the myth going.
Black, You can start with being truthful yourself and not picking only weak examples deliberately. Jeckert8888 mentioned the Disclosure Project and there's also National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS) is a full time, fully funded science-based private organization with PhD level scientists and retired police officer staff that uses the scientific method and forensic techniques to investigate UFOs. Findings are published in peer reviewed scientific journals as well as the NIDS web site.
When I see the same old debunker making it a full time job to post under so many UFO videos, I start to wonder if they have been "placed" into that position. If they really thought there's nothing to it, why bother so much to make this a job? Some just have an addiction to argue but for any people "placed" here to debunk, I'd only ask that you take time to investigate and immerse yourself into this subject. With a little common sense, you'll connect some dots.
If an agency in one small country has closed or was *forced* to close, it's made no difference in the big picture of world as well the strong evidence all around showing a deliberate covering up of information. Even with evidence, no amount of evidence can make a hard core debunker gain morals and ethics. A skeptic is honest and can be swayed with reason but a debunker wants to keep people from investgating UFOs and manipulates information.
I don't want people stop from investigating "UFOs" as long as they report the truth! . The myth has being going for so long without any evidence, that the only conclusion can be that there is no ET. It is reported that radars record "hits" but who by? The 5 pilots who went missing in the "Bermuda Triangle" broadcast radio messages that gained a life of their own and became a new myth. But they can be exlained, the pilots where lost and confused. They ran out of fuel and crashed.
Try to get this into your head Blackadder. I've never claimed that UFO's are definitively flown by ET's! I've claimed that UFO's (Unidentified Flying Objects) need to be seriously INVESTIGATED and I don't think you want that to ever happen. I'm also free to at least speculate on what some UFOs *might* or might not be. Do you think you can understand that much yet?
UFO Debunkers twist half truths and spin lies that wast time and only show proof of not wanting open investigations about UFOs. The radar scopes have so many times recorded UFOs amazing movements in synchronization with visual confirmation and audio recordings from military and airline pilots while at the same time hundreds of ground witnesses reported in with calls that all triangulated on to the object. Now check this- Blackadder says: "radar reports, etc, etc are all urban myths." lol.
Black..come on man, get up to speed now. Most of us can figure out when something is some kind of plane! You saw an unidentified jet and you couldn't even figure out that was a plane of some sort?? wow..lol. Flying wings have been around since the 1950s. They don't hold still in the sky with no noise then jump 60 miles off in a second. It's also not what our governments are interested in when they talk about UFOs in military files. Go do your homework. I'm not here to tutor you how to research.
Yes but in 1980 Stealth Bombers were a bit unusual! Flying wings aren't that strange when compared to a Stealth Bomber . When seen up close a stealth Bomber really looked out of this world at that time. Flying with no noise and jumping 60 miles, who says so? Can they be trusted? How do we trust them? Do they have a hidden agenda? And talking of military files as you well know the UK has closed its "UFO" desk because it provided no evidence of ET!
Here is an example of a shills slight of hand word game: "because 40 years ago I was into UFOs in a BIG way. But after taking in all the available evidence, such as Carl Sagan and others I came to a correct conclusion that UFOs are just mythlogy!" No evidence was sited in that sentence. Blackadder mentions a scientist name who BTW, was VERY open to the idea of extraterrestrial life and they're many other scientist who feel the same and more. One needs to investigate and not just buy etertainment
Ahh, yes I'm also open to life on other planets but their haven't visited this planet! Just as Carl Sagan believed! I'll say it again I saw three "UFOs" which turned out to be aircraft. Thre most dramatic when I was driving from Scotland. I didn't identify it until 1991 and the 1st Gulf War. It was a Stealth Bomber, they had been kept secret up to that time. I think our monarchs were inbred before your presidents though. Besides where is your evidence? I'll not accept dodgy videos, etc, etc.
We know an active UFO cover up has gone on and it leads us to wonder. Even a court judge has declared NASA has been withholding UFO files from Kecksberg PA. What else is being tucked away from us? If there was and is an admitted cover up by the very architects of Project Bluebook (the only so called official USA, UFO invesitgation) then wow... What all else has happened that we don't know about with UFOs? This gets us nowhere until we have true and honest investigation.
Even people who don't know anything about aviation know that when something like a Stealth Bomber moves through the sky that it's a plane. It still moves forward like a plane, it still has wings and it makes sound. It's not like an object the length of 3 football fields that moves far too slow to use air resistance to stay aloft and it's not completely silent. It can't go from a dead stop in the air and then be 60 miles away in the blink of an eye. Debunkers cherry pick poor examples on purpose.
UFO conspiracies rely on mistakes, lies, no real evidence, wishful thinking, people wanting to make money out of a myth or just the "fame" and I forgot the mentally ill. I once saw three "UFOs" but in the end they were perfectly explainable, they were just aircraft! This UFO myth is like trying to solve the mystery of "the end of a rainbow", "it's always over the next hill". Except you'll never get there because it is an optical illusion!!! Plus there is no leprechaun LOL.
I literally LOLed to your confident interpretation, said forth as fact, based entirely on speculation an opinion that completely contradicts massive amounts of facts and testimonies.
An intelligent person will research or investigate, with the open mind he has been given, on a subject of which he comments.
Sorry but it does not contradict massive amounts of facts! Because there is none. What facts are you talking about? I think you are confusing speculation with facts. Facts must be available for test purposes, speculation can float away in the wind and become mythology.
The Disclosure Project and 100's of eye witness testimony of military radar operators and pilots is enough to destroy your thickly close-minded ignorance. Just go look it up.
If you truly are living with the mindset that we are alone, while disregarding: the information above from credible resources, average civilians, the fact that UFO's and alien encounters appear in the bible, and in ancient markings/paintings before the modern "myth" was created , then you are simply a waste of energy.
So there are UFOs in the bible? That will be "Chariots of The Gods" then, may I suggest "Space Gods Revealed" which comprehensively rips all the arguements to pieces! And a 2000 year old book is been used as evidence! A book that has been edited and edited to fit any given story at any given time. Ther may be life in the universe but they haven't been here, because that would break all the laws of science.
- The Disclosure Project - 100's of eyewitness testimony from credible, and qualified military personnel. - average civilians - the number of people who claim to see nearly the exact same thing should suggest to an open-minded person that at the very least a forth are telling the truth. - alien abductions - which seem to corespond to a "treaty"of which we (U.S.) apparently signed with the comments of John Lear and several other government officials - ancient markings/paintings
Sorry I don't quite understand, but it is unlikely that I would agree on any source that you would like to provide. Because I've read a lot of them and NONE have the ring of truth about them! As Carl Sagan said "Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence!" And there is just none. Do you have any extraordinary evidence? That may make me sit up and take notice?
Wow, the sheer volume of some 400 hours or so of eye witness testimony in The Disclosure Project, by a relatively large size of CREDIBLE sources (their credentials are there), states of what they've seen, names of their clearance, government documents, and a deliberate government cover-up.
The credentials backed by most of these claims and the amount of these credible claims (even those not mentioned in the DISCLOSURE PROJECT) should spark a natural interest. Also Bob Lazaar should as well, especially since very suspicious events/threats occurred from our government.
If you don't look at both sides of a claim, and events that occurred prior, during, and after the claim, what makes you think your opinion of the claim is worthy or informed?
Yes but where does that get us? " what makes you think your opinion of the claim is worthy or informed?" because 40 years ago I was into UFOs in a BIG way. But after takiing in all the available evidence, such as Carl Sagan and others I came to a correct conclusion that UFOs are just mythlogy! I've seen 3 UFOs at different times the most dramatic was when I was coming from Scotland through the borders, it was well weird, but I identified in1991 it was a stealth bomber! Not so ET then.
I am not trying to be cruel, but I think my opinion is more worthy or informed because I've tried to examine both sides of a claim, and the events that occurred prior, during, and after the claim, and because the information I provided is more substantial in substance and in size. Also when I brought up this information you never attempted to refute or disprove the SPECIFIC claims/facts I presented.
Well thats going to take long to answer. I personally believe that it gets us into trivial little arguments like this, and that is ludicrous because there is more evidence on the side of an American government cover-up. Yes, it sounds outrageously unbelievable, but so did gravity and the sun being in the center of the solar system and people being able to create airplanes. It's gets us in a contagious ideology of nationalistic faith.
But the most important thing is that that undercurrent of faith in nationalism is shattered when introducing logic of 100's of various claims that contradict one, and the fact that a nationalistic faith of that extent should not be there in the first place.
jectert, blackadder feels he's a more qualified authority about UFO sightings than Military officers, military pilots, airline pilots, police officers, astronauts, radar specialist, defense ministers, polygraph specialist or even 2 presidents. He says stuff like "I didn't know your presidents were interbred as well!" and: "radar reports, etc, etc are all urban myths." and check this: "my mission is to inform, educate and guide those who are lost to the right path, of logic and truth." LOL!
Thanks for the heads up man. Fuck, are my arguments so irrationally illogical?
Especially in regards to the events prior, during and before 9/11?? I mean what's important is not just that hundreds of facts contradict one story, its the fact that there's an atrociously abysmal lack of irrefutable evidence for that one story.
There needs to be a re-emergence of Socrates, or at least his ideology...I hope that's exactly what the second coming of Christ truly is. It is very,very much needed.
No Prob- It's sort of weird but there're a few names out there with these slightly empty looking profiles who do almost nothing but go around to UFO related videos like there're on some kind of highly paid off mission to urgently debunk anything and everything about UFOs as fast as they can. I've seen a few get blocked from videos because of their sheer rudeness and ridicule to the people interested in the topic. I mean, why do they care that much? It's not making any sort of sense at all.
But as long as i you feel confident in examining both sides, then who the fuck am I to question you.
I don't know to a certainty...but this is how I think of it (and 9/11 also, except in 9/11 the claims can be backed up by fact): when a substantial amount claims from various sources (100's people,even gov officials), from even around the world, contradict one story from one source (government). I come to the conclusion that it's just illogical to believe the latter.
The government never explanes anything lol just like in rosewll first they sade it was a saucer and then the next day they said it was a blimp lol and there was tons of witnesss, high ranking military officials aswell.
You are all fools and this goes for every UFO sighting that has been recently reported and comments made!!!!
Aliens No!
Police Drones Yes!
The police since 2007 have been given remote control spy drones that at night appear to be bright lights in the sky. You are now all educated. Sorry to spoil your wish for beings from another planet but come on a bright light in the sky an alien have a word!!!!!!
But those crafts the hover silent that have the red lights the dart outward and at a blink of an eye from under the belly.. those are robotic scouts
Those are remote controlled flying devices
These people seen big ones
I seen a craft that was awsome real and awsome military might be but nobody messed with it cause they flew the other way and 20 miles near the base It flew in one more time during some bombing in Iraq It was real
ok im from stephenville and yes it is a little boring but i saw it too when i was riding my bike to skool and idk what it was but it was terrifing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm of the opinion that it's a very ingenious hoax. People might note the size of the object & number of witnesses to its validity, however we cannot forget that David Copperfield made it seem the Statue of Liberty disappeared. Hoaxes of this magnitude are not impossible by any means.
You refer to the myth perpetuated by the likes of Richard Hoaglan, who is a liar and a fraud. He makes claims as well to have worked for NASA, however NASA note that Hoaglan has never worked for them and was never involved with their lunar projects. Richard Hoaglan is driven most likely by a need for attention, and while I would like to believe that we have a fleet of craft like these, common sense says that if we had multiple ships like this right above our own planet, the secret would be out.
Your the first to say we dont have these crafts then again Im the second to say this
I seen this type of craft and it split from the white lights round that separated from it and it went into the base alone....this craft is or has something to do with the military and my heart jumps when someone says Its not ours..
We have fleets and robotic scouts that go under the belly but but I was told these crafts who do come about and we see conflict they may not be ours at all We have them
darth... are you serious? i cant tell if your joking. because who would go to the trouble, (mind you that they also have to have this technology) for just a big ol hoax? possible but... come on.
With all due respect, you don't seem to have a good understanding of the UFO phenomenon. This is a global phenomenon and they are not isolated events. Sightings occur every single day, and not always simply vague ambiguous lights in the sky. Pilots in particular have had a long history of sighting structured craft at close range verified on radar. There are hundreds if not thousands of such reports. JANAP 146E, however, dissuades the pilots from going public with these experiences. Look into it.
I think its bigger than they think, I think it houses, air craft verticly, and spins them(hovering) weve had the technology to break the earth EM field for over 60 years..and all the public gets is the latest Intel processor.
was there in FT Worth sleeping that night, when several jets took off from Lockheed Martin Area, those guys cracked the sound barrier, after 7 or 8 minutes I went back to sleep, found out the next morning that it made the news.
it's time we moved beyond the question of are we being visited by aliens?..and except the fact that yes we are and have been for millions of years.We need to focus on who are the good guy's,who are the curious guy's and who are the evil one's.It is apparent for the most part that we are being observed only,thank god by far superior beings.. the secret U.S millitary most certainly know's the truth or a hell of a lot more than they admit,but don't hold your breath waiting for them to tell us.
blaker007705 2 months ago
Please upload at 480p or better. 240p is terrible. And 360p isn't much better. Thanks!
sadsongsishere 7 months ago
In 1981 I was living on the outskirts of San Antonio and one night was beamed out of my bed (at lightening speed) onto a UFO. As I stood before a monitor looking at the earth below, a man's voice behind me and to my left said, "The entire north American continent is becoming mechanized." The instant he finished saying those words I was shot back down to my bed!
UFOs are real and I speculate that one day the types like this Stephenville (with inverted cones) will be picking us up and ... camps!
guyNbluejeans 10 months ago
U.F.O. dosen't = Aliens.
31jda 1 year ago
@31jda get out of here dude your fuckin trash
randallyo 5 months ago
Anyone....anyone....anyone?
31jda 1 year ago
Come on Newy219....Don't you have any vulger, unintelligent replies for me Star Trek boy?
31jda 1 year ago
I like to watch movies like Contact, War of the Worlds, Invasion of the Bodysnatchers, Transformers, The Day the earth Stood Still, Signs, and others, and try very hard to apply them all to real life, because normal, factual life is very boring. You are born, live for a time, and then die. Contrary to popular belief.
31jda 1 year ago
Another "idea"...How about a satelite that can project these huge spanning orb formations into our atmosphere. They could have unlimited size, no sound, and take on whatever shape or color that our eyes could perceive....hmmm.
31jda 1 year ago
And another thing......Do all of these "trained observers", military pilots, air traffic controllers, police...ETC> have top level NSA or DOD access to go into all of the military bases of the US, and world for that matter, to observe what kind of technology we "dumb-ass humans" have built, and are capable of? Someone answer this for me. I wonder if Orville Wright would come back today, and look @ the flying craft that we have built, and come to the conclusion that it must all be alien tech..lol
31jda 1 year ago
I went to high school in Stephenville, Tx. Graduated in 1997. My friend and I saw one of the orange "orb's" while out crusing one night...We were abut half-way to stoned. Anyway, we just kind of looked at each other, and kept on riding. All I have to say is that our government is very secretive, and the military is very well funded. Anything "amazing, and awe-inspiring" that is not shot down in our airspace is constructed and owned by us......................one opinion.
31jda 1 year ago
these ppl are justb skitzin espacially that constable the smoke to much meth in 254
XxZero2RxX 1 year ago 3
@XxZero2RxX That makes no sense, yet 4 people agreed with you. Wow.....
ManDudeYeah 5 months ago
@ManDudeYeah omg thats so funny! wtf?
shanghi25 3 months ago
What makes this a great case if you look at all the testimony and evidence. Several eye witnesses, several trained observers. A daytime sighting describing the craft as being a half mile wide by one mile long. FAA confirms radar at that time and area. The gov later claimed they were f-16s flying in formation to feed the public. YOU be the judge!
sshonuff 1 year ago
That area is very near a high speed MOA (Military Operations Area). Check out a Sectional Chart and you can see that. If this/these were genuine flying craft, they were military craft flying in formation or experimental or classified.
cynic2all 1 year ago
friggon ufos are real ive seen one!!!!
austynrox11 1 year ago
The week after north of fort worth TexasI saw some object fall out of the sky I reported it and everyone thought i was crazy I left it to that ,but i now what i saw and i have proofs. As a matter of fact the field was on fire and a car driving by,on there way to Ok. turned the fire of and they saw it as well.
johnchiva3 2 years ago
It would be great if just once they stopped editing interviews into 5 second sound bites and let the witnesses actually talk. Good grief. Annoying. (PS News people: Stop showing the Moon when they talk about sightings. The implied subtext is these "stupid" people mistook the moon for a UFO)
rhyfeddu 2 years ago
fuck, i seen one of those...... it was a ufo???? i thought it was a prototype airplane...
loverofsith 2 years ago 3
no now event the most sceptical scientist belives in UFO's, yea its a UFO as its unidentified, its weather it alien craft or earth bound is what you meant to be asking not if you belive in UFO
Oh and a flying saucer is not a UFO
innocentchild2 2 years ago 2
@innocentchild2 Yeah, but if they say publically this, they are professionally burned by the scientific Inquisition ( NASA, SETI, Eskeptical Inquirers, and so on), in the same way that Catholic Church burned Bruno Giordiano for saying in a book that the universe is plenty of life in the X Century.
hectorlover123 1 year ago
Think about it like this...Why would you want to give advanced knowledge to a civilization who just uses it to kill eachother. Why would they give us theyre technology if it's not benevolent to all races, meaning we don't go to outerspace and destroy and enslave other weak minded "humanoid" lets say people from another planet. WE ALL have to grow up asa society... We need to end all wars and show peace and love i think before we have any significant contact or interaction
Vitam1nWat3r 2 years ago 4
either were going to continue being denied the information and the general population will laugh at anybody who see's one. Or the Zeta Reticuli and Pleadians will show us the true meaning of life. We probably need to grow up as a society and untill the day we don't shoot at them im afraid theyre let us find out on our own.
Vitam1nWat3r 2 years ago 2
it's about time we're connecting with life from around the universe. i'm SO HAPPY TO be alive at this time to see all of it happenning. I can't wait to move forward. I was born for this. Have you seen the limo UFO yet. Yup, they're gonna scoop me up and roll the red carpet out for me once we arrive to planet "Arsonsequa" 5 galaxies away. I've done enough study with the Human Race. Just a tad bit more sophisticated than the urangutang.
number1asset 2 years ago
it fucking pisses me off when people say shit like the last couple people. Like the guy who said "ufo nuts" like anyone who believes in ufos is a nut. and the bitch that said "i think its crazy." both of those people r fucking idiots. there is no question that there r ufos, grow up people. the only questions that should be asked is: what r they? and where do they come from?
newy219 2 years ago 16
THANK YOU SIR A+
gambitgrant 2 years ago
@newy219
all this is it for confusion..only our government really knows the truth.
cloud9nikka 1 year ago
@newy219 i wouldnt say those are the only 2 questions but certainly 2 of many..i do agree.
stevensal11 1 year ago
@stevensal11 good point
newy219 1 year ago
@newy219
I think we need to go into a crowd of skeptics, and start swinging with baseball bats. Try to aim for the head, thats where their misunderstanding is coming from!
RapeDroneV2 1 year ago
@newy219 Agree..There is only probably 40 billion different human lifeforms just in our galaxy. Not to mention there are probably close to 40 billion galaxys do the math. Yeah we are alone ooooooookkkkkkkkkkk
Kialen055 1 year ago
@newy219 ......Our backyard...lol
31jda 1 year ago
@31jda really? and how do u know this? other than just assumption...i think the 1989 belgium ufo is very good evidence that they likely could be extraterrestrial...considering that if any human were to fly at the speeds it was tracked moving they would have been dead
newy219 1 year ago
@newy219 OK.....Who can say for sure that we don't have the technology ourselves? Who says that some, if not all of the "crafts" are unmanned? Like I said, the comment I made is "one opinion". It is easy to come to the conclusion, that if we haven't seen something before that is flying around in the sky, it has to be from another planet. I am just one to believe that the simplest explination is the correct one, and like I said, I have seen "one" myself.
31jda 1 year ago
@newy219 If you are not from the United States, you should move here....We have something called freedom of speech....It is what you are using to voice your childish, pre-pubecent opinions....Which are very imaginative and entertaining. Use your common sense, and not your cinema fueled imagination, and you will come to simpler conclusions buddy.
31jda 1 year ago
@31jda I am from the U.S. and I don't have cinema fueled imaginatiion, I'm just open minded unlike u and look at all possible explanations. U on the other hand assume that since it seems so unlikely that aliens could come to earth they must be manmade and u work backwords from that theory, u don't actually look at the evidence and then come up with a conclusion. Its funny how all u dumbass skeptics never actually answer questions, u just deny that ufo's could be extraterrestrial.
newy219 1 year ago
@newy219 ....Open minded for what??? To look for some excitement in an otherwise meaningles, pointless exsistence....You can post an "I told you so!" the day they land and shake your hand....lol...TTYL!
31jda 1 year ago
@31jda so answer my fucking question...although u probably don't know anything about the 1989 Belgium ufo I questioned u about, but do some research. Then give me your explanation on how that was a man made craft. I'm sure regardless of what evidence u look at no matter what your answer will be that its a manmade craft since u already have your mind made up,so this is just a big waste of time. btw what i said is that is seems LIKELY to not be manmade, but i wont pretend to know the answer
newy219 1 year ago
@newy219 ...What took you so long...lmao....When ET comes and takes you home.....let me know....Send me another Email attached to an anal probe or something...lol....I have more imporant things to worry about..kk, like what kind of casket I should shop for in case I die tomorrow.
31jda 1 year ago
@31jda gee that would be such a shame if u did die tomorrow...
newy219 1 year ago
@newy219 Why is it only rednecks see this?
jethrodassam 1 year ago
I was skeptical but now I'm convinced there's a cover up.
There's all these government reasons that keep changing around and it
doesn't explain what's been happening.
It can't all be just be about secret planes at area 51.
No way.
ohmpbm 3 years ago
Why is it that all the people that witness these incredible (and true) events are really CRAP artists! For the love of my scrotum, can someone please draw a decent drawing of a UFO.
Domzdream 3 years ago 3
touche
newy219 2 years ago
@newy219 douche
31jda 1 year ago
in the 60s a guy who owned a radio stadion made a joke about that the city whas atacked by ufos and it whas full panic ower the city and after the panic that man whas taken to area 51 and he got alot of wierd questions this is from a documentari and its true all of this just check it if you dont belive me they even got newspaper on some of the museum in that city
luke2r2r 3 years ago
Are you not getting mixed up with Orsen Welles in the 30's and his "War of The Worlds" play on radio?
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
no actually not;)
luke2r2r 3 years ago
Hmm well the plot seems actually very close! But I would have thought that the listeners would not have fallen into the same scenairo of panic, etc. Which city was it? I'll see what I can find on the web!
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
i dont remember i did see it on a ducumentary its a very known story i will try to find it i let you know when i do;)
luke2r2r 3 years ago
in the 50s they found a ufo and they found some wierd things in it back then the goverment didnt care about if people did see it becouse then they where to busy with fiksing stuff after the war and a new war whas coming in korea so it came in the news but then it came many wierd looking guys to the city they found the ufo and deleted the news clip or tryed to delete it and sayd to the people who did see the ufo to not talk to anyone about it and some miles outside of that city is area 51 now
luke2r2r 3 years ago
If supposed "UFO'S" weren't goverment coverup's would we need such a secrative airbase named "Area 51" that you can't get within 28 miles of. Come on people there's no need for an investagation. It's right infront of our face. I don't blame our goverment for covering thing's up, This is for whatever saftey of our country and whatever they're creating is working pretty damn good so far. Hell they still got people believeing the whole UFO thing.
suzuki400boi 3 years ago
Black, At this point you've cycled through your same old tactics and lies about 3 times. I guess you hope to make each old cycle disappear beneath the bulk of comments that I've addressed point by point. I've posted information here for the good people of the U.K. but black, thanks for asking the questions that helped me do a better job. I have a plane to catch and a sound track to work on. cheers. I'll delete your comment notices as spam now. I know your lonely out here.
I'm sorry. Peace.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Well I guess I won the arguement, so I accept your submission with all the grace I can muster. I will not press the point home and rub your nose in it. The gold medal goes to me!
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
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lllwindrunner 3 years ago
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lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Black, You refer to just one of many polls taken. An owner of a paper for fraud about what? You give no evidence or details. Provide all the specifics about that case and what the fraud was about in that case. Provide the evidence that shows that all census workers were in on a fraud specifically about UFOs.
We don't want your scams.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Black, You get off topic and I didn't even vote for George Bush. As I've said before under another video, most of your fellow Brit's disagree with your stance on UFOs and UFO cover up. I stand by them and respect most Brits and admire much about thier culture. Your either deeply out of touch, being a shill, or just mentally ill. I'm not without empathy for the latter but you need to get help before you can make friends and I'm not here for that. I'm just here to support freedom of information.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
And as I said before the owner of that newspaper the poll was in is now in a prison for fraud. And please stop been abusive, it does your cause no good! In the kingdom of the blind the one eyed are kings. I'm not one eyed but you are blind! (If you want to be abusive you are an amateur, so refrain yourself). Either you are making money out of this myth or so closed minded that you don't want a open investigation, only if it comes to your conclusion! You have freedom of information,live with it!
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
John Calihan was in charge of the FAA's accident and *investigation* department and he's more direct and key to the details of that event. Not Linden! Why also was a 2006 major UFO case dropped when 50 pilots all went to the FAA about another object over a the worlds busiest airport? Guess what ? It's called a *cover up* and there's been a lot evidence of UFO cover up. Even a federal judge has ruled evidence of UFO cover up. So we need a real investigation.
Pure and simple.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Sorry but your source is dead wrong and so is your approach. All we have to do is read down the thread for multiple examples of your many mistakes, lies, half baked sources and false blanket statements. I'm beginning to think your actually mentally ill in some way but it's also likely that you already know we need a real investigation to get to the answer and your so upset by us wanting one. That's too bad though, you should put your heart and mind to a better use.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
And John Lynden the head of your FAA investigated the incident and if it was so serious how come it was dropped. Because if it wasn't it would still be making headline news! Would that not be classed as a REAL investigation? Of course not because it didn't agree with your point of view! And now you are turning abusive again! Such a shame I thought we were friends! But Yanks are only friends with Brits when they want to invade a country over non-exixtant WMD and get their pet dog Bliar to bark!
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
BTW Black..your the one not relying on the first hand data that was recorded on the radar or black boxes or pilots testimony. This is deception on your part and your relying on deception from a weak third hand opinon.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
"Klass, an editor with the magazine Aviation Week and Space -Technology and a longtime investigator of UFO sightings". Well Aviaton Week seems, by the title, to be reputable source. Not like all the other sources I came across on the web! Remember Dr Goebbels if you are going to tell a lie tell a big one! In otherwords they were the size of aircraft carriers! Anyhow with all these sightings there must be some solid evidence somewhere that can be displayed at a public forum! No I didn't think so!
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
This all goes to prove we really need an investigation more than ever instead of just one individuals random opinon. Especially when they are as unrelated to the actual chain of events and given data as that one from Klass.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
LOL We loved that one! That's a hilarious debunker lie of epic proportion. Now Re read all the details I listed below which do not correlate with your debunker hand bible of weak excuses and lame cover up attempts. Radar, black boxes, and pilot testimony all together put that dumb excuse in the trash like the lies of project blue book. Did you manage to even make it to college before you became a debunker puppet?
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Well your reply is not really worth a comment, because you are relying on third party evidence instead of common sense, again!. Deflection techniques because you know you have ran out of places to run and are now desperate to save face! In boxing terms you were knocked out, you were up against the ropes but have now been put out of your misery. You are punch drunk and seeing stars having gone one fight to many. Never mind it happens all the time even Ali had to admit defeat in the end.
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
I said that radar and black box recordings were all in sync. Read carefully from now on And BTW...I think "Peter Sellers" was your greatest legendary comedian as well as an amazing actor but this UFO report I mention was certainly no scene from "Dr. Strange Love". It was the real deal and it needs to be investigated.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
It *was* world wide news then! Look it up. It was the lead story on our national news here but it was never followed up on, hence the coverup which is now why you should begin to understand my point about these things needing to be investigated. Black boxes record flight and voice details not radar!....duh... lol! No information was lost in translation. Come on now, your killing us with laugh attacks over here now.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Well you did infer in an earlier posting that radar information was stored on the black box, which by the way are not black. My no wonder "Benny Hilll" was our greatest TV export if that is the level of your humour.
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
Nope...The craft described by those japanese pilots were huge glowing round objects the size of aircraft carriers and also stealth bombers show next to nothing on a radar signature. That's part of the reason they are called "stealth" bombers.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Yes but stealth bombers have to be developed and I suspect they did not get it right first time! Objects the size of aircraft carriers, why was this not worldwide news then? And still is! Or was it just filed because it was of no consequence? Since when do "black boxes" record radar details? President Reagan is this the same guy who thought that Pricess DI's name was David? Anyhow information could be lost in translation, crashes have caused by mistakes due to translation problems.
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
One interesting case is the 1986 UFO incident involving a Japanese cargo jet over Alaska. Pilots described 2 large heavy looking craft in trail with them. Multiple air tower radar hits from military and civilian towers along the way correlate in perfect synch with black box recordings and radar prints. John Calihan was in charge of the FAA's accident and investigation department at the time and had a meeting about it with president Regan. He was also on Larry King live with this whole story.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Could have been Stealth Bombers! And nobody would want to own up to tham!
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
Since there has been a very large number of reported UFO cases from on duty radar operators, airline and military pilots alone not even to mention ground sightings, we know we need to have a good investigating about the objects reported in our restricted air space. Friendly fire incidents happen in lots of wars and have always been understood and confirmed as such later. Thus the term "friendly fire". Nothing like odd details of UFO cases reported over major metropolitan areas etc. etc.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
That's right. There's no infringement of air space by optical illusions because an illusion doesn't register on radar. Objects register on radar and an investigation will now be needed to verify what sort of objects are intruding so much in our air space.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Correct illusions do not register on radar! So who exactly says there are? Some unkown military personel or long retired officer wanting to make a few bucks for little effort and expanding on, shall I say, a half-truth. I mean there are numerous reports of military action against the likes of Venus for example and plenty of friendly fire incidents in Iraq. So the military aren't that good at identifying the "enemy", considering howmany Brits have been wiped out.
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
I never claimed a UFO is anything else right now other than an unidenifed flying object that's been flying in our nations restricted airspace. There is no need to fear an investigation. It can't hurt . So if you don't mind, we will keep pushing for one.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Unidentified flying objects are exactly that, untill they are identified and that is it.There is no mass infringement of air space, by optical illisions, etc, etc, perhaps, but that's all!
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
Ok black...Well in that case you won't mind us getting a real UFO investigation because if your as right as you claim to be, then that will finally settle the matter for you and for everyone else. If you have nothing to loose, then it won't bother you a bit. The simple sword of truth is an investigation that can cut through all the talk.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
For your information "your" in this context should be "you're". A real UFO investigation, what would that be then? Because if it is real I already know what the conclusion is! As per Occam's Razor! I will not be bothered but what about you? Will you be able to confront the truth and come to terms will the impossiblity of ET not existing?
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
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lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Black.... Some advice for you...
If you really hate this topic so much, then maybe you should just go find a peaceful hobby that doesn't make you so upset. You no longer need to keep commenting to me because your not going to change my mind and your not going to change roughly 70 percent of the populations minds. Wanting a real investigation can't hurt anything so get over it.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
I don't hate this subject, I'm just armed with the simple sword of truth! It is my mission, where there is discord may I bring harmony! In other words reality. And 70% of the population must be infected with the stupid gene if they are in command of the full facts.
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
Black...I'm very greatful for my life.
I have long standing marriage with an awesome family and I just had another one of my songs get picked up for an independent film. The only thing *you* can "expect" from me and many others is to voice our rights to have honest investigations about something as important as this. It's something that's been denied to us for too long and there is more than ample proof of cover up going on with UFOs. Pure and simple.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Well as Dr Goebbels said if you are going to tell a lie tell a BIG one people are most likely to believe that one. But in the end he got it wrong! Take a little disinformation and expand on it and voila! A fully blown theory that has gained legs and become bloated. Out of all recognisation from the original facts! Ignore the real evidence and make everybody that disagree as heretics, in his case just kill them. End of problem.
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
I don't think it's been denied from us for too long. Cause i think if they told people how much of mine and your hard earned money goes into it there would be ongoing murders of high ranked goverment officials.
suzuki400boi 3 years ago
Also Accams Razor is principle, not fact.
To have an honest investigation doesn't even mean anyone has to go into it with the fixed presumption that every UFO is extraterrestrial in origin. It still means however, that you go into it with an open mind for all things considered to find the most likely answer. That's how Accams Razor works in it's true application to find the right answer. In some cases, the simplest explanation in that applied principle is that "some" UFOs" *may* be alien craft.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
The problem with you although you say everything is up for consideration you are so angry when somebody suggests that it can/will not be ET, I suspect that would be the only answer you would accept! You hope that the x% that can not be explained so therefore it must be ET. That is more of a faith rather investigtion. Just accept that ET does not exist become a lot calmer and happy with your life. I think you are unhappy and are looking for a meaning in your life, which would be supplied by ET.
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
Black, how many more giant lies do you want to tell. This has been the source of CNN news documentaries as well as "History Channel" and CNN news Larry King Live. They still need much more investigating and reporting but that much is out and it's all been fact checked and part of world history.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Hoyt Vandenberg was a highly decorated US air force officer who was put in charge of an investigative military team even before Project Bluebook. It was put together by the air force to find out what UFOs were and where they came from. The team reported back to Hoyt to say they concluded that the only plausible explanation with all things considered (Accams razor style ) that the extraterrestrial explanation was actually the least complicated explanation for a certain percentage of UFO reports.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
A B 52 bomber was diverted from it's flight path to circle around the missile base in Minot North Dakota. Military personal on the ground and crew of the B 52 reported seeing a very large heavy looking metallic object a few hundred feet long hovering low in the air in dead silence by the base. Captured clearly on radar and viewed from below by people on the ground and from above by the flight crew, the blue book committee report concluded they were all seeing "stars".
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
I bet this is all here say evidence! You read it in a book, magazine, on the internet, saw a video from a dodgy source, dare I say youtube! Sorry not admissable as credible evidence! And with all the friendly fire incidents that have happened in Iraq why should we think that the military are always right when it comes to identification? Occam's Razor rules OK, the simplest reason is usually the right one!
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
UFOs mean "unidentified" and these unidentified things are reported going into our countries restricted air space during a time of terrorism. There are hundreds of witness testimony by USA military personal, many of which are the same people that have their fingers on the buttons of IBMs reporting that these unidentified things appeared then all power to IBM's went out. So...what? mass military insainty? or UFOs? Either is an issue of national security deserving BIG investigation.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Military Pilots are trained to know the difference between a star and a large metallic object hovering over a nuclear missile base. If they don't, then our military is full of insane people that hold the keys to our countries biggest defense systems. Whoever doesn't want these kinds of things investigated is basically, manipulative or crazy.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
In 1953 President Truman ordered the CIA to make recommendations to the air force on how to handle UFOs. The CIA then convened a panel headed by Physicist HP Roberts. The Roberts panel said "We must do something to remove the aura of mystery from the UFO phenomena so that people no longer take them seriously and don't bother to report them. Media coverage must be suppressed.. Methods are #1.Ridicule. Project Bluebook was task to debunk UFOs and anyone that reports a UFO.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Of course the was a security situation! Because in the very early days there was no complete radar coverage around America. And these "UFOs" were unidentifable, so not to create a sense of powerless they were hushed up, etc! And no doubt a false trail was laid to divert and confuse the populace. After all I think security is a big thing in your consitution, unfortunately they were so good that it and it assumed a life of its own. I read Project Bluebook more years ago than I like to remember.
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
Really?...What's biased is when we had peolpe telling a Team lead and a scientist what to spin for our country's only official yet fake UFO investigation. That scientist, Alan Hyneck, ended up revoking that investigation and it's set up along with others in the military then and now. So what we need now is honest investigation to determine whether or not there really is good or bad evidence.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Blackadder. I guess you have some troubling reading so *once again*, I'll tell you I favor real investigation but never said anything conclusive about ETs. I'm sorry but I highly doubt you'ev looked into documents or 1st hand report files in any educated or investigative manner. Saying we're "wasting time" is your narrow headed opinon. Who's really interested your gullible cult book phases or funky religious mishaps in here. I think your the one wasting time with your insults and closed mind.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
There you go again distorting the truth, but what do you expect from a "ufoliest". So called research and evidence is biased, has been for the last 40 years! Ever since Adamski at al. PS If you want to donate just send your bank details and I will take out just enough to cover my costs, honest!
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
Then blackadder, since you claim to *not* be against anyone researching UFOs, you totally won't mind at all if they research these places and UFO reports for themselves to draw their own conclusions. You also won't mind if we all look into the documents of people much more qualified than you. I hope you at least get paid for what your trying to do. Still, No person or agency has the right to block information like this or ridicule people reporting it or for seeking it.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
I don't mind at all you or anybody else is wasting their time trying to solve the UFO myth. What I object to is people distorting the truth for their own gain! Because as you know I looked into this 40 years ago and fell for it! After all no body would write a book claiming they have actual had contact withET? Well guess what they did! And more "they" also claimed that god came from the stars, because it is all in the bible! PS I don't get paid for this, but you can donate if you wish.
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
BTW folks, Also The "Freedom of Information Act " has also been revised in recent years to allow more even access in researching documents and reports. At the "The Coalition for freedom of information" website you can also read peer reviewed articles. There's ample information free to research and cross reference on all the places I mentioned Also "History Channel" has been focusing more on this very interesting part of our government and world history with some great information.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
What's that blackadder?....You say your words like simple bull droppings fall to the ground? lol.. Oh ok, I can just hold my nose and walk over them. We really don't need all your B.S. about our presidents all being "interbred" or radar reports all being "urban myth". But hey man, thanks at least for being the bad kind of contrast that provided a sound board to what others can read or hunt for now. I suppose you actually helped in ways I didn't first realize. Cool. ;-))
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
As you well know that that statement was ironic, which means "...conveys the opposite to what was said...", for your benifit . And as you are getting more abusive I must assume that your point of view is so weak that you have given up "logical" thought. And have come to the end and seen the truth of my arguements otherwise you have lost it!
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
Also CUFOS' quarterly magazine, consistently publishes important and interesting peer reviewed articles and commentary. In addition, there's the Center's Journal of UFO Studies, peer-reviewed, presenting the results of work by top people in the field. I guess I'm posting this more for other peoples benifit than for you. Any other valid evidence such as radar records that do certatinly exist obviously means nothing to blackadder.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Illwindrunner why aren't you reply to my comments any more? I've got search if you just post and I have a lot on! All these projects labs, organisation etc are not really unbaised are them. I've read about them, they distort, lie, deliver mis-information, at best extravagaent and no doubt they profit from keeping the myth going.
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
Black, You can start with being truthful yourself and not picking only weak examples deliberately. Jeckert8888 mentioned the Disclosure Project and there's also National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS) is a full time, fully funded science-based private organization with PhD level scientists and retired police officer staff that uses the scientific method and forensic techniques to investigate UFOs. Findings are published in peer reviewed scientific journals as well as the NIDS web site.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
When I see the same old debunker making it a full time job to post under so many UFO videos, I start to wonder if they have been "placed" into that position. If they really thought there's nothing to it, why bother so much to make this a job? Some just have an addiction to argue but for any people "placed" here to debunk, I'd only ask that you take time to investigate and immerse yourself into this subject. With a little common sense, you'll connect some dots.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
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lllwindrunner 3 years ago
A plane still moves like a plane.
A UFO does not.
If an agency in one small country has closed or was *forced* to close, it's made no difference in the big picture of world as well the strong evidence all around showing a deliberate covering up of information. Even with evidence, no amount of evidence can make a hard core debunker gain morals and ethics. A skeptic is honest and can be swayed with reason but a debunker wants to keep people from investgating UFOs and manipulates information.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
I don't want people stop from investigating "UFOs" as long as they report the truth! . The myth has being going for so long without any evidence, that the only conclusion can be that there is no ET. It is reported that radars record "hits" but who by? The 5 pilots who went missing in the "Bermuda Triangle" broadcast radio messages that gained a life of their own and became a new myth. But they can be exlained, the pilots where lost and confused. They ran out of fuel and crashed.
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
Try to get this into your head Blackadder. I've never claimed that UFO's are definitively flown by ET's! I've claimed that UFO's (Unidentified Flying Objects) need to be seriously INVESTIGATED and I don't think you want that to ever happen. I'm also free to at least speculate on what some UFOs *might* or might not be. Do you think you can understand that much yet?
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
UFO Debunkers twist half truths and spin lies that wast time and only show proof of not wanting open investigations about UFOs. The radar scopes have so many times recorded UFOs amazing movements in synchronization with visual confirmation and audio recordings from military and airline pilots while at the same time hundreds of ground witnesses reported in with calls that all triangulated on to the object. Now check this- Blackadder says: "radar reports, etc, etc are all urban myths." lol.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Black..come on man, get up to speed now. Most of us can figure out when something is some kind of plane! You saw an unidentified jet and you couldn't even figure out that was a plane of some sort?? wow..lol. Flying wings have been around since the 1950s. They don't hold still in the sky with no noise then jump 60 miles off in a second. It's also not what our governments are interested in when they talk about UFOs in military files. Go do your homework. I'm not here to tutor you how to research.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Yes but in 1980 Stealth Bombers were a bit unusual! Flying wings aren't that strange when compared to a Stealth Bomber . When seen up close a stealth Bomber really looked out of this world at that time. Flying with no noise and jumping 60 miles, who says so? Can they be trusted? How do we trust them? Do they have a hidden agenda? And talking of military files as you well know the UK has closed its "UFO" desk because it provided no evidence of ET!
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
Here is an example of a shills slight of hand word game: "because 40 years ago I was into UFOs in a BIG way. But after taking in all the available evidence, such as Carl Sagan and others I came to a correct conclusion that UFOs are just mythlogy!" No evidence was sited in that sentence. Blackadder mentions a scientist name who BTW, was VERY open to the idea of extraterrestrial life and they're many other scientist who feel the same and more. One needs to investigate and not just buy etertainment
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Ahh, yes I'm also open to life on other planets but their haven't visited this planet! Just as Carl Sagan believed! I'll say it again I saw three "UFOs" which turned out to be aircraft. Thre most dramatic when I was driving from Scotland. I didn't identify it until 1991 and the 1st Gulf War. It was a Stealth Bomber, they had been kept secret up to that time. I think our monarchs were inbred before your presidents though. Besides where is your evidence? I'll not accept dodgy videos, etc, etc.
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
We know an active UFO cover up has gone on and it leads us to wonder. Even a court judge has declared NASA has been withholding UFO files from Kecksberg PA. What else is being tucked away from us? If there was and is an admitted cover up by the very architects of Project Bluebook (the only so called official USA, UFO invesitgation) then wow... What all else has happened that we don't know about with UFOs? This gets us nowhere until we have true and honest investigation.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Even people who don't know anything about aviation know that when something like a Stealth Bomber moves through the sky that it's a plane. It still moves forward like a plane, it still has wings and it makes sound. It's not like an object the length of 3 football fields that moves far too slow to use air resistance to stay aloft and it's not completely silent. It can't go from a dead stop in the air and then be 60 miles away in the blink of an eye. Debunkers cherry pick poor examples on purpose.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Thats just blatantly ignorant man, search The Disclosure Project.
jeckert8888 3 years ago
UFO conspiracies rely on mistakes, lies, no real evidence, wishful thinking, people wanting to make money out of a myth or just the "fame" and I forgot the mentally ill. I once saw three "UFOs" but in the end they were perfectly explainable, they were just aircraft! This UFO myth is like trying to solve the mystery of "the end of a rainbow", "it's always over the next hill". Except you'll never get there because it is an optical illusion!!! Plus there is no leprechaun LOL.
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
I literally LOLed to your confident interpretation, said forth as fact, based entirely on speculation an opinion that completely contradicts massive amounts of facts and testimonies.
An intelligent person will research or investigate, with the open mind he has been given, on a subject of which he comments.
jeckert8888 3 years ago
Sorry but it does not contradict massive amounts of facts! Because there is none. What facts are you talking about? I think you are confusing speculation with facts. Facts must be available for test purposes, speculation can float away in the wind and become mythology.
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
The Disclosure Project and 100's of eye witness testimony of military radar operators and pilots is enough to destroy your thickly close-minded ignorance. Just go look it up.
If you truly are living with the mindset that we are alone, while disregarding: the information above from credible resources, average civilians, the fact that UFO's and alien encounters appear in the bible, and in ancient markings/paintings before the modern "myth" was created , then you are simply a waste of energy.
jeckert8888 3 years ago
So there are UFOs in the bible? That will be "Chariots of The Gods" then, may I suggest "Space Gods Revealed" which comprehensively rips all the arguements to pieces! And a 2000 year old book is been used as evidence! A book that has been edited and edited to fit any given story at any given time. Ther may be life in the universe but they haven't been here, because that would break all the laws of science.
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
Wow...way too choose the one source that you don't agree with out of several that I've provided:
jeckert8888 3 years ago
- The Disclosure Project - 100's of eyewitness testimony from credible, and qualified military personnel. - average civilians - the number of people who claim to see nearly the exact same thing should suggest to an open-minded person that at the very least a forth are telling the truth. - alien abductions - which seem to corespond to a "treaty"of which we (U.S.) apparently signed with the comments of John Lear and several other government officials - ancient markings/paintings
jeckert8888 3 years ago
Sorry I don't quite understand, but it is unlikely that I would agree on any source that you would like to provide. Because I've read a lot of them and NONE have the ring of truth about them! As Carl Sagan said "Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence!" And there is just none. Do you have any extraordinary evidence? That may make me sit up and take notice?
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
Wow, the sheer volume of some 400 hours or so of eye witness testimony in The Disclosure Project, by a relatively large size of CREDIBLE sources (their credentials are there), states of what they've seen, names of their clearance, government documents, and a deliberate government cover-up.
jeckert8888 3 years ago
The credentials backed by most of these claims and the amount of these credible claims (even those not mentioned in the DISCLOSURE PROJECT) should spark a natural interest. Also Bob Lazaar should as well, especially since very suspicious events/threats occurred from our government.
If you don't look at both sides of a claim, and events that occurred prior, during, and after the claim, what makes you think your opinion of the claim is worthy or informed?
jeckert8888 3 years ago
"To know, is to know that you know nothing. That is the meaning of true knowledge." - Socrates
"The Revolution will not be televised." - Gil Scott-Heron
Just some fruit of thought for all to live by. Damn Socrates is awesome.
jeckert8888 3 years ago
Yes but where does that get us? " what makes you think your opinion of the claim is worthy or informed?" because 40 years ago I was into UFOs in a BIG way. But after takiing in all the available evidence, such as Carl Sagan and others I came to a correct conclusion that UFOs are just mythlogy! I've seen 3 UFOs at different times the most dramatic was when I was coming from Scotland through the borders, it was well weird, but I identified in1991 it was a stealth bomber! Not so ET then.
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
I am not trying to be cruel, but I think my opinion is more worthy or informed because I've tried to examine both sides of a claim, and the events that occurred prior, during, and after the claim, and because the information I provided is more substantial in substance and in size. Also when I brought up this information you never attempted to refute or disprove the SPECIFIC claims/facts I presented.
jeckert8888 3 years ago
I think you have misunderstod, I was throwing back a question you throw at me! Check the postings.
blackadderthe4 3 years ago
Wow, sorry, I did misunderstand.
"Where does that get us?"
Well thats going to take long to answer. I personally believe that it gets us into trivial little arguments like this, and that is ludicrous because there is more evidence on the side of an American government cover-up. Yes, it sounds outrageously unbelievable, but so did gravity and the sun being in the center of the solar system and people being able to create airplanes. It's gets us in a contagious ideology of nationalistic faith.
jeckert8888 3 years ago
But the most important thing is that that undercurrent of faith in nationalism is shattered when introducing logic of 100's of various claims that contradict one, and the fact that a nationalistic faith of that extent should not be there in the first place.
jeckert8888 3 years ago
jectert, blackadder feels he's a more qualified authority about UFO sightings than Military officers, military pilots, airline pilots, police officers, astronauts, radar specialist, defense ministers, polygraph specialist or even 2 presidents. He says stuff like "I didn't know your presidents were interbred as well!" and: "radar reports, etc, etc are all urban myths." and check this: "my mission is to inform, educate and guide those who are lost to the right path, of logic and truth." LOL!
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
Thanks for the heads up man. Fuck, are my arguments so irrationally illogical?
Especially in regards to the events prior, during and before 9/11?? I mean what's important is not just that hundreds of facts contradict one story, its the fact that there's an atrociously abysmal lack of irrefutable evidence for that one story.
There needs to be a re-emergence of Socrates, or at least his ideology...I hope that's exactly what the second coming of Christ truly is. It is very,very much needed.
jeckert8888 3 years ago
No Prob- It's sort of weird but there're a few names out there with these slightly empty looking profiles who do almost nothing but go around to UFO related videos like there're on some kind of highly paid off mission to urgently debunk anything and everything about UFOs as fast as they can. I've seen a few get blocked from videos because of their sheer rudeness and ridicule to the people interested in the topic. I mean, why do they care that much? It's not making any sort of sense at all.
lllwindrunner 3 years ago
To each his own I suppose.
But as long as i you feel confident in examining both sides, then who the fuck am I to question you.
I don't know to a certainty...but this is how I think of it (and 9/11 also, except in 9/11 the claims can be backed up by fact): when a substantial amount claims from various sources (100's people,even gov officials), from even around the world, contradict one story from one source (government). I come to the conclusion that it's just illogical to believe the latter.
jeckert8888 3 years ago
...especially when its just so common place in our international lexicon to equate "corruption" with "politician."
I choose the beliefs of the governed people, whom were there, over the government who has higher and more probable potential for an agenda.
jeckert8888 3 years ago
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jeckert8888 3 years ago
the reporter said he was driving, looked up, and saw... absolutely nothing.
but if he didnt know anything was happening, he wouldnt be looking for anything.
and if he looked up in his car, well, im no astrologist but im guessing hed probably see the roof of his car.
CheStillFighting 3 years ago
The government never explanes anything lol just like in rosewll first they sade it was a saucer and then the next day they said it was a blimp lol and there was tons of witnesss, high ranking military officials aswell.
er3012 3 years ago
Ok time to educate you all.
You are all fools and this goes for every UFO sighting that has been recently reported and comments made!!!!
Aliens No!
Police Drones Yes!
The police since 2007 have been given remote control spy drones that at night appear to be bright lights in the sky. You are now all educated. Sorry to spoil your wish for beings from another planet but come on a bright light in the sky an alien have a word!!!!!!
Check them out do a google search
thehutjabba 3 years ago
speeds are really fast but I will look into this
But those crafts the hover silent that have the red lights the dart outward and at a blink of an eye from under the belly.. those are robotic scouts
Those are remote controlled flying devices
These people seen big ones
I seen a craft that was awsome real and awsome military might be but nobody messed with it cause they flew the other way and 20 miles near the base It flew in one more time during some bombing in Iraq It was real
Honeyline2 3 years ago
ok im from stephenville and yes it is a little boring but i saw it too when i was riding my bike to skool and idk what it was but it was terrifing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ilovesev 3 years ago
I'm of the opinion that it's a very ingenious hoax. People might note the size of the object & number of witnesses to its validity, however we cannot forget that David Copperfield made it seem the Statue of Liberty disappeared. Hoaxes of this magnitude are not impossible by any means.
DarthVil 3 years ago
No these are our crafts and these crafts are awsome believe it or not..........and there are fleets..this is not a hoaxe
Honeyline2 3 years ago
You refer to the myth perpetuated by the likes of Richard Hoaglan, who is a liar and a fraud. He makes claims as well to have worked for NASA, however NASA note that Hoaglan has never worked for them and was never involved with their lunar projects. Richard Hoaglan is driven most likely by a need for attention, and while I would like to believe that we have a fleet of craft like these, common sense says that if we had multiple ships like this right above our own planet, the secret would be out.
DarthVil 3 years ago
Your the first to say we dont have these crafts then again Im the second to say this
I seen this type of craft and it split from the white lights round that separated from it and it went into the base alone....this craft is or has something to do with the military and my heart jumps when someone says Its not ours..
We have fleets and robotic scouts that go under the belly but but I was told these crafts who do come about and we see conflict they may not be ours at all We have them
Honeyline2 3 years ago
darth... are you serious? i cant tell if your joking. because who would go to the trouble, (mind you that they also have to have this technology) for just a big ol hoax? possible but... come on.
CheStillFighting 3 years ago
looks like an air force plane to me...
dragonboy718 3 years ago
I'm pretty sure it can be explained somehow.
I mean, why would a real UFO sighting take place in such an insignificant state like Texas?
bhaal07 3 years ago
With all due respect, you don't seem to have a good understanding of the UFO phenomenon. This is a global phenomenon and they are not isolated events. Sightings occur every single day, and not always simply vague ambiguous lights in the sky. Pilots in particular have had a long history of sighting structured craft at close range verified on radar. There are hundreds if not thousands of such reports. JANAP 146E, however, dissuades the pilots from going public with these experiences. Look into it.
italianmafia23 3 years ago
I'm not talking about the garbage you find in the Weekly World News or here on youtube though!
italianmafia23 3 years ago
my statement is that maybe us fromthe future trying to prevent somthing terrible to happen
someone244 3 years ago
Its that triangular hovering dock thing.
I think its bigger than they think, I think it houses, air craft verticly, and spins them(hovering) weve had the technology to break the earth EM field for over 60 years..and all the public gets is the latest Intel processor.
Mirthless79 3 years ago
was there in FT Worth sleeping that night, when several jets took off from Lockheed Martin Area, those guys cracked the sound barrier, after 7 or 8 minutes I went back to sleep, found out the next morning that it made the news.
whatever7x7 3 years ago
i meant to put SAW ONE TODAY!!!!
analuvslondris 3 years ago