The way I see it, there's no reason there couldn't be an afterlife. After all, there doesn't seem to be any reason for the first. Everyone just kind of appears here.
@fruitikay That still doesn't explain it, really. You could make a conscious decision not to care, yeah? Like Nietzsche, you could consciously conclude that there is no meaning in anything, and thus no reason to care. But you are choosing to care, despite your convictions that the people you love ultimately don't love you back, because love ultimately does not exist. You either have the purest of hearts, or the naivety of youth.
@danielhmanning I could make a decision to not care. Many make a decision to not care. Many see life as meaningless. However, the whole fucking point of the video was saying that I have made the decision to care, and when I die, I won't care because I'll be FUCKING DEAD. You disagree with that, good for you. Different opinions, same universe. Love, like life, is whatever we decide it to be. As someone who said without God, life is meaningless, yet contradicts themselves here, I think ur a troll.
@fruitikay :) No, you don't understand what I mean. You find meaning now because you exist, but you will cease to exist, and then there will be nothing. You may use your life to help others, or to love that young man, but they too will cease to exist, and then everything you did becomes nothing. You may leave your mark on the world with your pen, but words have no meaning when there is no one left to read them. If there is no future, any meaning you see is an illusion.
@danielhmanning No, I completely understand what you mean. The only thing that I disagreed with in your last comment was your conclusion: that it is awful. It's only awful to you because so much of our western culture is based on the belief in an afterlife--that if there isn't one, life is hopeless. Well I don't have that attitude. Yes, there will be nothing when I'm dead. But I won't care because I'll be dead. Nothing after I die is beautiful to me. End of story.
If there is no God, and no afterlife, then there is no meaning. Nothing we do matters, because as the universe began, it will also end, and everything will be for nothing. The words of your pen will fade, as will all your noble ideals, and whether you rescue or persecute, the outcome will be the same.
@danielhmanning What's funny is that you state your opinion as if it is fact. Again, it's all about the way you look at the world. You think that it is hopeless without God. Well I find plenty of meaning in my life, as do many people around the world. I also find plenty meaning in my death, as a natural process of the circle of life. When I die, I will go into the Earth. The cycle of the universe is more beautiful to me than any imaginary heaven.
@doctorw2 "Everything in this video is wrong." Like I said in the beginning, this video is my personal outlook on life and death. That doesn't mean it has to be yours, but it is mine. And this video is not about believing in God or not. It has nothing to do with that at all. It has everything to do with the fact that I don't believe there is an afterlife, and that I shouldn't assume that there is, and that I should cherish this life as if it is my only life. Your view of God is YOUR opinion.
@doctorw2 Wow...don't pretend like you know me at all or that you have watched any of my videos. Clearly, you have demonstrated that you know nothing about me. Learn a bit more about me before you say ignorant statements like "i just wish you would try to see life from another perspective." I just wish you would develop better grammar skills. If you wish to engage in fruitful discussion, I'll be glad to. But once you start assuming things about me, that's when I stop listening to you.
@doctorw2 There is everything wrong with your grammar. And again, you have demonstrated that you clearly don't know me. There has been no "thoughtful" exchange of ideas. You are accusing me of being "biased when it comes to views of other people" when you have no idea what my spiritual background and religious education has been in my life. I have always been extremely open to other people's point of view. The assumption that I am not is what is offensive to me.
@fruitikay listen fruitkay i am sorry if i have grinded your geers i am going to delete my comments becuase i respect you as an intelligent beautiful woman but, if you were a man i would really let you have it right about now. sorry if i made you angry.
@doctorw2 I'm not angry. I'm just confused. You came to the comment section and flat-out said "what you think is wrong." Yet you accuse me of being "biased" and not looking at different perspectives. I spend the majority of my time here on youtube studying spiritualities and religions. I find spirituality to be very interesting--but that doesn't mean I can't come up with my own conclusions, as you have. And another mistake made is putting me in a group with other atheists. (continued)
@doctorw2 (continued) You have before-hand assumptions about what I think as an atheist (that I'm "biased") when you haven't even discussed spirituality or religion with me at all before. How can you know how I think as a person? Not as an atheist, as a person. Based on your God statements, I can't assume anything about what you do or don't believe. I can't even assume you're a Christian, because I've never talked to you before. (continued)
@doctorw2 (continued) So please don't make assumptions about me because I'm an atheist. Maybe sometime you can go read your comments and understand why they might "grind someone's gears." Especially when this is a light-hearted video about what I personally believe, but never claimed to be the ONLY way to think (unlike when you flat-out said I was "wrong.") Which one is really the biased one here? Just pissed me off a bit. And who cares if I'm a woman? -_-'
@fruitikay i am so sorry fruitkay please forgive me, as I said I like you a lot and i really dont know why i made that comment, well actually i did'nt think you would read it. I just wish to say sorry if i disrespected your beliefs i apologize on hands and knees to you, i erased all my comments and i won't make anymore i care that you are a woman i care a lot becuase women are the best gift the universe has given to the earth and i greatly appreciate that immensly.
@TheTheKRIT Science can and has explained NDE's and out of body experiences perfectly with observational evidence. There is no reason to think that imaginary supernatural aspects have any part in this, because it doesn't.
@TheTheKRIT So you may ask, h"ow people can experience sights and sounds after confirmed brain death?" The area where REM intrusion is triggered is found in the brain stem -- the region that controls the most basic functions of the body -- and it can operate virtually independent from the higher brain. So even after the higher regions of the brain are dead, the brain stem can conceivably continue to function, and REM intrusion would still occur.
@TheTheKRIT A study from the University of Kentucky has quickly gained ground among scientists as possibly the best explanation for NDEs. Researchers there discovered that the mysterious phenomenon is really an instance of the sleep disorder rapid eye movement (REM) intrusion. In this disorder, a person's mind can wake up before his body, and hallucinations and the feeling of being physically detached from his body can occur.
@TheTheKRIT It wasn't supposed to create the near death experience, and out of body experience isn't the same thing as a near death experience (although that can occur simultaneously.
@TheTheKRIT So if consciousness is determined seconds before by biological processes going on in the brain. Then this means consciousness is dependent on the brain, meaning once the brain dies 100% at death, your consciousness will cease to exist. Meaning, no afterlife.
Also one more thing all you atheists act like hoping for something or believing in something make you not as mentally strong. But when you say you can't wait for tomorrow, your HOPING for tomorrow nothing says youll be here tomorrow there is no 100% garantee but yet you hope. You hope the sun rises you hope there is food to eat. Everyone hopes and believes but yet if you hope for something after death your considered scared of dying?
@TheTheKRIT Those analogies make no sense. We have reason to believe the sun will come up tomorrow, it has every day of our lives before, it's not an irrational belief because it is part of objective reality. Now is there any reason to believe in the afterlife? Not one. The only rational reason I can think of to believe in an afterlife is because they are scared of death being the total end of it.
@TheTheKRIT We don't hope tomorrow comes, we expect it. I don't sleep at night "Oh man I hope tomorrow comes" I go to bed expecting tomorrow to come because it has always come, I could be wrong, I could die tomorrow morning, but it's not irrational to expect to wake up tomorrow because previous examples prove a high chance of it happening. There is no reason to expect an afterlife, not one, so it's irrational to believe.
@theBartone9119 yes but when it comes to the afterlife you BELIEVE nothing is after death, but its only a belief because just like i cant prove there is an afterlife you cant prove there isnt, You may think its irrational but in the end we dont even understand how matter itself exists, so until we know what created us we cant say there is nothing more to life, that seems irrational.
@TheTheKRIT "yes but when it comes to the afterlife you BELIEVE nothing is after death"
Wrong. I LACK belief that anything will happen after death. You can't believe a negative so your stance is a logical fallacy.
The burden of proof is on the one making the positive claim, the one saying there IS something. If you can't prove there is something then there is no reason to believe there is something. In science a positive claim is guilty until proven innocent.
@TheTheKRIT Also there is evidence there is no afterlife. If you describe the afterlife as consciousness lifting from the brain at death then science has already disproved that, and the illusion of free will.
@TheTheKRIT We are conscious only of a tiny fraction of the information that our brains process in each moment. All of our behavior can be traced back to biological events that which we have no conscious knowledge, this has always suggested that free will is an illusion. Activity in the brain’s motor regions can be detected some 350 milliseconds before a person feels he has decided to move.
@theBartone9119 This doesnt really mean anything all this study proves is that our consciousness is intertwined with our brain makes perfect sense. Thats not proof there is no afterlife. What is the purpose of our conscious telling us its in control? science has never disproved NDEs it cant create the same effect by doing anything, even inducing the hallucinagin that is released when you die does not create the same effect
Yes it has. When the brain loses oxygen it produces white tunnel vision (why people describe observing white at the end of the tunnel) your brain then misfires neurons and releases mass amounts of DMT (the chemical that gets released in your brain when you sleep) which produce hallucinations.
@TheTheKRIT "our consciousness is intertwined with our brain"
Yes but intertwined is too loose of a term to be taken seriously. Your conscious is dependent and determined by your brain, would be more accurate. How can something survive when what it is dependent on stops working? It can't. The afterlife doesn't exist, it's a fantasy for people who are scared of death.
In that video above, a man's brain is hooked up in a lab, he is asked to press the left button or the right one. The test showed that biological neurons already made the choice 6 seconds before his conscious picked up on it. The blue blocky object in the test indicates that his choice was going to be left. This means that tests can pick up your choices biologically before your conscious tricks itself into thinking it made the choice.
@TheTheKRIT So next time you make a conscious choice, just remember it was already made biologically a certain amount of time before your conscious picked up on it
@TheTheKRIT This goes back to the old saying "The truth hurts".
Some might be frightened at the truth (which is why neuroscience isn't discussed very much in society) and would like to think of their consciousness as an independent thing that just rises up after it's done with this body...Not the case. Every conscious choice you make was already made biologically before you were even aware of it, conscious free will is an illusion. Live your life seeking truth no matter how unpleasant it is to u
@theBartone9119 that doesnt matter to me all that proves is that your brain controls you in this realm. YOu only looking at one peice of the puzzle and saying thats all there is to it. What about people that have died left there body claimed to see somethingon the roof of the hospital and when they go to check what ever they said was there is there, neurologists will just denie it as luck but the truth is stuff like that happens all the time. Also
@TheTheKRIT "What about people that have died left there body claimed to see somethingon the roof of the hospital and when they go to check what ever they said was there is there"
The woman who released this story without even giving her name or any details. You can't just believe every story without evidence.
Also, there is no evidence that there is another realm. The conscious choice for you to even decide for yourself there was another realm was already made for you biologically.
@TheTheKRIT You are assuming a realm that has been proven to only exist in the brain. People who have had out of body experiences and studied them in a lab have shown the biological activities that took place before that person even had the experience. There is no other realm. You are just fooling yourself and running away from reality.
Wrong. If you describe the afterlife as your consciousness surviving after death, then neuroscience is evidence against an afterlife. Until you can prove these realms people experience are real and not just neuron's misfiring in the brain, then you have no case, because evidence shows these realms are just results of misfirings of the brain,and are not real.The evidence leans in my direction, regardless of certainty.
@TheTheKRIT I don't KNOW that there was water before stars, but since stars are what produce hydrogen then the evidence is in the direction of water existing after the first star formed. The same concept can be applied to the afterlife, I don't KNOW there is no afterlife, but the evidence paints a pretty compelling picture, that there most likely is no afterlife. This is why your beliefs are based on faith, and not reality.
@TheTheKRIT EVERYTHING your mind conceives as real is due to biological processes. There is no evidence of this other realm, it is illogical, irrational, a delusions and a complete fantasy.
honestly the fact of the matter no one has any idea what happens when we die. We have no understanding in how we were created, (yes there are good theories but that's all they are) Until we know how we were created and what this (life) really is no one can say what death is. Death is created by our minds without us death does not exist. It's easy for atheists to say "I dont believe in an afterlife because it makes me value my life more" well
@TheTheKRIT That's great you obviously have a wonderful life, but what about those who live is the absolute scum? WHo have life that isn't even worth anything? I would love for you to live in there position and say theres noting afterlife. People that say there is nothing afterlife are being very ignorant. Because the fact is you dont know but yet your HOPING there is nothing because you have a wonderfull life. I dont hope there is an afterlife for me, but i do for the millions of kids that di
@TheTheKRIT e everyday. In the end NO one on this planet knows for 100% what comes after death. If you tell me there is nothing after death, then that's what you believe and hope for. i blieve and hope for an afterlife. Not because I'm scared of the dark or scared to die. Think about this though? Alot of atheists say dying is like sleeping, but when your sleeping you are dreaming. You a creating a world just as real as this one in your head, what is the purpose of that? We don't know or care
It's sad that I see so many stupid comments from fellow theists and Christians. Take this video for what it's worth people. It is a well-made, thought-provoking and interesting video. Get the log out of your asses and appreciate other points of view for what they are.
I agree with much of what you said BUUUUUUUUUUT, I hated your video. The placid voice is more fit to send someone to bed than on a journey into our origins. Where is the passion, the inflection, that should be noticed when you talk about something as grand as the Universe? Dislike.
@uwaga1717 Um....okay. Lol....Thanks for the critique, I guess, but I used the voice that I wanted to use and will not change it. If you don't like that, cool.
@fruitikay I see no reason to believe that life has any purpose... Not believing in an afterlife, I see no purpose in loving others as well... I truly wish that I could see as you do..... :'( After my Grandpa died, I gave up on bothering to love another... Seeing his body on that table.......... void...
@MrKetchup1333 It's all in personal attitude. Last summer in June my Grandma died and I watched her die in the hospital as it was happening. It was the most calm and beautiful thing I've ever seen. She didn't have to suffer or hurt anymore...no more pain. Just another part of the process. The circle of life. Life is what you make it. I think if people wish to leave this world on purpose, that is their decision...but at least give it a chance first to see what you can learn and love. :)
@fruitikay You are truly kind... Once I met a man that sounded just like my Grandfather, on my mom's side, who also died... He felt so much like him, like it WAS him... He even sang the one song that only papa would know, in the same tone of voice... And my mom and sister were there to see it too... But these days, I just don't see any reason to believe in an afterlife..... It would have seemed ridiculous to think like that back THEN, but.....
@fruitikay These days I see no reason to love or have a girlfriend or get married... I... I try endlessly to accept death, but everything just doesn't matter anymore.... I even train in Karate... What's the point of that, even... Still.... You are so kind for caring, and I hope that your time with your Grandma was the best it could have been.....
@MrKetchup1333 Well I think there is a constant battle we fight between society's expectations on us and what we really want from life. Society says we should marry, have kids, live in the suburbs, and hold a stable job. But what do we really want? Kids and marriage might not be for us. The decision of existence is really up to you. It may not be meaningful to society, but at least whatever you do is meaningful to you. Is there some place you've always wanted to travel, for example? :)
We are just like any other living creature, showing levels of organization from subatomic particles-atoms-molecules-macromolecules-organelles-cells-tissues-organs-organ systems-organism. Atoms arranged through bonding physics/chemistry and electrical charges shared, holding atoms together in many different arrangements and shapes, determining their properties. Cells die, you die and those atoms that started the whole thing, go back into the Cosmos for recycling. Elegant.
Well said, especially the part about the suffering of others. I think religion often, though I can't fairly say always, puts a limit on one's circle of concern to a degree that precludes this kind of valuable pan-empathy we could all us more of.
Nicely done. I see so many things in life that are beautiful and wonderful, and I've never once seen god as the creator behind them. The fact that we live in a universe that allows for such diverse life is awe-inspiring to me.
The reason why I say we are "stardust" is because when the universe began, the main element was Hydrogen which fusions allowed to merge into/with Helium. These created stars, and in the inside of stars and at the end of a stars life, new elements were created from the supernovae and the collapse of stars. This created most other elements like oxygen and carbon, which are some of the fundamental elements of planet Earth. We are in essence Stardust.
(**Lovely video!**) Over the course of an 8 year cycle every cell in a human body is replaced. As I am 41 now, that means I have been through this cycle 8 times already. Not one single cell that made up the body I had at age 30 still remains within me. Where are the atoms that made up those cells now? Yesterday I dropped some on grass that today was eaten by a cow. Tomorrow the cow dies and it's meat becomes a feast for some devout priest. And so I live on. Well, a little bit, at least. ;¬)
@finlarg You're spot on. Not so poetic, but very true! Not only teeth, but brain and heart cells are likely to last a lifetime too. And while we're at it, the 8 year cycle ignores the fact that bones and stomach cell can take double that. So in fact, there's a lot of me that is the same person I was at 30. Now that's more depressing than death, surely! ;¬)
Fantastic video, Jay! I for one don't even care very much whether there's an afterlife or not, what we do while we're still here is much more important.
@ArtistryofDebauchery Many, many people. I was heartbroken when I found some messages online from an old friend who converted to Christianity and became an apologist, decrying atheists and materialists as being selfish individuals with no purpose. I see similar sentiments all the time.
@Ceenymeeny Oh I see, it's just pointing out how misunderstood atheism is. I thought it meant atheists are "taught" by other atheists that they "believe in nothing" thus suggesting that they cant really think for themselves.
But, dang... That really sucks about your friend. It's so sad that religion can create such bigotry and close-mindedness as to destroy a friendship...
The way I see it, there's no reason there couldn't be an afterlife. After all, there doesn't seem to be any reason for the first. Everyone just kind of appears here.
KraZkleb 1 week ago
@fruitikay If you won't care then, why would you care now?
danielhmanning 4 weeks ago
@danielhmanning -_-' Because I'm alive and have consciousness.
fruitikay 3 weeks ago
@fruitikay That still doesn't explain it, really. You could make a conscious decision not to care, yeah? Like Nietzsche, you could consciously conclude that there is no meaning in anything, and thus no reason to care. But you are choosing to care, despite your convictions that the people you love ultimately don't love you back, because love ultimately does not exist. You either have the purest of hearts, or the naivety of youth.
danielhmanning 3 weeks ago
@danielhmanning I could make a decision to not care. Many make a decision to not care. Many see life as meaningless. However, the whole fucking point of the video was saying that I have made the decision to care, and when I die, I won't care because I'll be FUCKING DEAD. You disagree with that, good for you. Different opinions, same universe. Love, like life, is whatever we decide it to be. As someone who said without God, life is meaningless, yet contradicts themselves here, I think ur a troll.
fruitikay 3 weeks ago
@fruitikay :) No, you don't understand what I mean. You find meaning now because you exist, but you will cease to exist, and then there will be nothing. You may use your life to help others, or to love that young man, but they too will cease to exist, and then everything you did becomes nothing. You may leave your mark on the world with your pen, but words have no meaning when there is no one left to read them. If there is no future, any meaning you see is an illusion.
And that's awful.
danielhmanning 1 month ago
@danielhmanning No, I completely understand what you mean. The only thing that I disagreed with in your last comment was your conclusion: that it is awful. It's only awful to you because so much of our western culture is based on the belief in an afterlife--that if there isn't one, life is hopeless. Well I don't have that attitude. Yes, there will be nothing when I'm dead. But I won't care because I'll be dead. Nothing after I die is beautiful to me. End of story.
fruitikay 4 weeks ago
If there is no God, and no afterlife, then there is no meaning. Nothing we do matters, because as the universe began, it will also end, and everything will be for nothing. The words of your pen will fade, as will all your noble ideals, and whether you rescue or persecute, the outcome will be the same.
danielhmanning 1 month ago
@danielhmanning What's funny is that you state your opinion as if it is fact. Again, it's all about the way you look at the world. You think that it is hopeless without God. Well I find plenty of meaning in my life, as do many people around the world. I also find plenty meaning in my death, as a natural process of the circle of life. When I die, I will go into the Earth. The cycle of the universe is more beautiful to me than any imaginary heaven.
fruitikay 1 month ago
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doctorw2 1 month ago
@doctorw2 "Everything in this video is wrong." Like I said in the beginning, this video is my personal outlook on life and death. That doesn't mean it has to be yours, but it is mine. And this video is not about believing in God or not. It has nothing to do with that at all. It has everything to do with the fact that I don't believe there is an afterlife, and that I shouldn't assume that there is, and that I should cherish this life as if it is my only life. Your view of God is YOUR opinion.
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doctorw2 1 month ago
@doctorw2 Wow...don't pretend like you know me at all or that you have watched any of my videos. Clearly, you have demonstrated that you know nothing about me. Learn a bit more about me before you say ignorant statements like "i just wish you would try to see life from another perspective." I just wish you would develop better grammar skills. If you wish to engage in fruitful discussion, I'll be glad to. But once you start assuming things about me, that's when I stop listening to you.
fruitikay 1 month ago
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doctorw2 1 month ago
@doctorw2 There is everything wrong with your grammar. And again, you have demonstrated that you clearly don't know me. There has been no "thoughtful" exchange of ideas. You are accusing me of being "biased when it comes to views of other people" when you have no idea what my spiritual background and religious education has been in my life. I have always been extremely open to other people's point of view. The assumption that I am not is what is offensive to me.
fruitikay 1 month ago
@fruitikay listen fruitkay i am sorry if i have grinded your geers i am going to delete my comments becuase i respect you as an intelligent beautiful woman but, if you were a man i would really let you have it right about now. sorry if i made you angry.
doctorw2 1 month ago
@doctorw2 I'm not angry. I'm just confused. You came to the comment section and flat-out said "what you think is wrong." Yet you accuse me of being "biased" and not looking at different perspectives. I spend the majority of my time here on youtube studying spiritualities and religions. I find spirituality to be very interesting--but that doesn't mean I can't come up with my own conclusions, as you have. And another mistake made is putting me in a group with other atheists. (continued)
fruitikay 1 month ago
@doctorw2 (continued) You have before-hand assumptions about what I think as an atheist (that I'm "biased") when you haven't even discussed spirituality or religion with me at all before. How can you know how I think as a person? Not as an atheist, as a person. Based on your God statements, I can't assume anything about what you do or don't believe. I can't even assume you're a Christian, because I've never talked to you before. (continued)
fruitikay 1 month ago
@doctorw2 (continued) So please don't make assumptions about me because I'm an atheist. Maybe sometime you can go read your comments and understand why they might "grind someone's gears." Especially when this is a light-hearted video about what I personally believe, but never claimed to be the ONLY way to think (unlike when you flat-out said I was "wrong.") Which one is really the biased one here? Just pissed me off a bit. And who cares if I'm a woman? -_-'
fruitikay 1 month ago
@fruitikay i am so sorry fruitkay please forgive me, as I said I like you a lot and i really dont know why i made that comment, well actually i did'nt think you would read it. I just wish to say sorry if i disrespected your beliefs i apologize on hands and knees to you, i erased all my comments and i won't make anymore i care that you are a woman i care a lot becuase women are the best gift the universe has given to the earth and i greatly appreciate that immensly.
doctorw2 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT Science can and has explained NDE's and out of body experiences perfectly with observational evidence. There is no reason to think that imaginary supernatural aspects have any part in this, because it doesn't.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT So you may ask, h"ow people can experience sights and sounds after confirmed brain death?" The area where REM intrusion is triggered is found in the brain stem -- the region that controls the most basic functions of the body -- and it can operate virtually independent from the higher brain. So even after the higher regions of the brain are dead, the brain stem can conceivably continue to function, and REM intrusion would still occur.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT A study from the University of Kentucky has quickly gained ground among scientists as possibly the best explanation for NDEs. Researchers there discovered that the mysterious phenomenon is really an instance of the sleep disorder rapid eye movement (REM) intrusion. In this disorder, a person's mind can wake up before his body, and hallucinations and the feeling of being physically detached from his body can occur.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT It wasn't supposed to create the near death experience, and out of body experience isn't the same thing as a near death experience (although that can occur simultaneously.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
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@TheTheKRIT So if consciousness is determined seconds before by biological processes going on in the brain. Then this means consciousness is dependent on the brain, meaning once the brain dies 100% at death, your consciousness will cease to exist. Meaning, no afterlife.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
Also one more thing all you atheists act like hoping for something or believing in something make you not as mentally strong. But when you say you can't wait for tomorrow, your HOPING for tomorrow nothing says youll be here tomorrow there is no 100% garantee but yet you hope. You hope the sun rises you hope there is food to eat. Everyone hopes and believes but yet if you hope for something after death your considered scared of dying?
TheTheKRIT 2 months ago
@TheTheKRIT Those analogies make no sense. We have reason to believe the sun will come up tomorrow, it has every day of our lives before, it's not an irrational belief because it is part of objective reality. Now is there any reason to believe in the afterlife? Not one. The only rational reason I can think of to believe in an afterlife is because they are scared of death being the total end of it.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT We don't hope tomorrow comes, we expect it. I don't sleep at night "Oh man I hope tomorrow comes" I go to bed expecting tomorrow to come because it has always come, I could be wrong, I could die tomorrow morning, but it's not irrational to expect to wake up tomorrow because previous examples prove a high chance of it happening. There is no reason to expect an afterlife, not one, so it's irrational to believe.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@theBartone9119 yes but when it comes to the afterlife you BELIEVE nothing is after death, but its only a belief because just like i cant prove there is an afterlife you cant prove there isnt, You may think its irrational but in the end we dont even understand how matter itself exists, so until we know what created us we cant say there is nothing more to life, that seems irrational.
TheTheKRIT 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT "yes but when it comes to the afterlife you BELIEVE nothing is after death"
Wrong. I LACK belief that anything will happen after death. You can't believe a negative so your stance is a logical fallacy.
The burden of proof is on the one making the positive claim, the one saying there IS something. If you can't prove there is something then there is no reason to believe there is something. In science a positive claim is guilty until proven innocent.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT Also there is evidence there is no afterlife. If you describe the afterlife as consciousness lifting from the brain at death then science has already disproved that, and the illusion of free will.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT We are conscious only of a tiny fraction of the information that our brains process in each moment. All of our behavior can be traced back to biological events that which we have no conscious knowledge, this has always suggested that free will is an illusion. Activity in the brain’s motor regions can be detected some 350 milliseconds before a person feels he has decided to move.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@theBartone9119 This doesnt really mean anything all this study proves is that our consciousness is intertwined with our brain makes perfect sense. Thats not proof there is no afterlife. What is the purpose of our conscious telling us its in control? science has never disproved NDEs it cant create the same effect by doing anything, even inducing the hallucinagin that is released when you die does not create the same effect
TheTheKRIT 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT "science has never disproved NDEs"
Yes it has. When the brain loses oxygen it produces white tunnel vision (why people describe observing white at the end of the tunnel) your brain then misfires neurons and releases mass amounts of DMT (the chemical that gets released in your brain when you sleep) which produce hallucinations.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT "our consciousness is intertwined with our brain"
Yes but intertwined is too loose of a term to be taken seriously. Your conscious is dependent and determined by your brain, would be more accurate. How can something survive when what it is dependent on stops working? It can't. The afterlife doesn't exist, it's a fantasy for people who are scared of death.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT Out of body experiences have been recreated in a lab as well, it has been proven to simply just be a mis firing of neurons.
Michael Shermer Out of Body Experiment
watch?v=nCVzz96zKA0
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT watch?v=N6S9OidmNZM
In that video above, a man's brain is hooked up in a lab, he is asked to press the left button or the right one. The test showed that biological neurons already made the choice 6 seconds before his conscious picked up on it. The blue blocky object in the test indicates that his choice was going to be left. This means that tests can pick up your choices biologically before your conscious tricks itself into thinking it made the choice.
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theBartone9119 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT So next time you make a conscious choice, just remember it was already made biologically a certain amount of time before your conscious picked up on it
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT This goes back to the old saying "The truth hurts".
Some might be frightened at the truth (which is why neuroscience isn't discussed very much in society) and would like to think of their consciousness as an independent thing that just rises up after it's done with this body...Not the case. Every conscious choice you make was already made biologically before you were even aware of it, conscious free will is an illusion. Live your life seeking truth no matter how unpleasant it is to u
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@theBartone9119 that doesnt matter to me all that proves is that your brain controls you in this realm. YOu only looking at one peice of the puzzle and saying thats all there is to it. What about people that have died left there body claimed to see somethingon the roof of the hospital and when they go to check what ever they said was there is there, neurologists will just denie it as luck but the truth is stuff like that happens all the time. Also
TheTheKRIT 1 month ago
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@TheTheKRIT "What about people that have died left there body claimed to see somethingon the roof of the hospital and when they go to check what ever they said was there is there"
The woman who released this story without even giving her name or any details. You can't just believe every story without evidence.
Also, there is no evidence that there is another realm. The conscious choice for you to even decide for yourself there was another realm was already made for you biologically.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT You are assuming a realm that has been proven to only exist in the brain. People who have had out of body experiences and studied them in a lab have shown the biological activities that took place before that person even had the experience. There is no other realm. You are just fooling yourself and running away from reality.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT im not saying there is an afterlife im saying its possible and you dont know and i dont know. You have as much proof as i do.
TheTheKRIT 1 month ago
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@TheTheKRIT "im saying its possible"
Perhaps
"You have as much proof as i do."
Wrong. If you describe the afterlife as your consciousness surviving after death, then neuroscience is evidence against an afterlife. Until you can prove these realms people experience are real and not just neuron's misfiring in the brain, then you have no case, because evidence shows these realms are just results of misfirings of the brain,and are not real.The evidence leans in my direction, regardless of certainty.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT I don't KNOW that there was water before stars, but since stars are what produce hydrogen then the evidence is in the direction of water existing after the first star formed. The same concept can be applied to the afterlife, I don't KNOW there is no afterlife, but the evidence paints a pretty compelling picture, that there most likely is no afterlife. This is why your beliefs are based on faith, and not reality.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@TheTheKRIT EVERYTHING your mind conceives as real is due to biological processes. There is no evidence of this other realm, it is illogical, irrational, a delusions and a complete fantasy.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
honestly the fact of the matter no one has any idea what happens when we die. We have no understanding in how we were created, (yes there are good theories but that's all they are) Until we know how we were created and what this (life) really is no one can say what death is. Death is created by our minds without us death does not exist. It's easy for atheists to say "I dont believe in an afterlife because it makes me value my life more" well
TheTheKRIT 2 months ago
@TheTheKRIT That's great you obviously have a wonderful life, but what about those who live is the absolute scum? WHo have life that isn't even worth anything? I would love for you to live in there position and say theres noting afterlife. People that say there is nothing afterlife are being very ignorant. Because the fact is you dont know but yet your HOPING there is nothing because you have a wonderfull life. I dont hope there is an afterlife for me, but i do for the millions of kids that di
TheTheKRIT 2 months ago
@TheTheKRIT e everyday. In the end NO one on this planet knows for 100% what comes after death. If you tell me there is nothing after death, then that's what you believe and hope for. i blieve and hope for an afterlife. Not because I'm scared of the dark or scared to die. Think about this though? Alot of atheists say dying is like sleeping, but when your sleeping you are dreaming. You a creating a world just as real as this one in your head, what is the purpose of that? We don't know or care
TheTheKRIT 2 months ago
awesome video!
nikkiomari 2 months ago
great video!
fukkensully 2 months ago
We are so alike; I agree 100%. (Lion King is my favorite disney movie, Brother Bear is second. XD)
FR3DKRU3G3R 2 months ago
good1 kay. i've been meaning to make a vid on my thoughts on the "afterlife" but it is a major challenge to express exactly how i feel about it.
peace to you and yours.
lardo444 4 months ago
u will like to read castaneda
AXharoth 5 months ago
It's sad that I see so many stupid comments from fellow theists and Christians. Take this video for what it's worth people. It is a well-made, thought-provoking and interesting video. Get the log out of your asses and appreciate other points of view for what they are.
TheFunkyTheist 6 months ago
I agree with much of what you said BUUUUUUUUUUT, I hated your video. The placid voice is more fit to send someone to bed than on a journey into our origins. Where is the passion, the inflection, that should be noticed when you talk about something as grand as the Universe? Dislike.
uwaga1717 6 months ago
@uwaga1717 Um....okay. Lol....Thanks for the critique, I guess, but I used the voice that I wanted to use and will not change it. If you don't like that, cool.
fruitikay 6 months ago 3
@fruitikay i thought your voice was beautiful
SHIBBYiPANDA 2 months ago
@fruitikay I see no reason to believe that life has any purpose... Not believing in an afterlife, I see no purpose in loving others as well... I truly wish that I could see as you do..... :'( After my Grandpa died, I gave up on bothering to love another... Seeing his body on that table.......... void...
MrKetchup1333 1 month ago
@MrKetchup1333 It's all in personal attitude. Last summer in June my Grandma died and I watched her die in the hospital as it was happening. It was the most calm and beautiful thing I've ever seen. She didn't have to suffer or hurt anymore...no more pain. Just another part of the process. The circle of life. Life is what you make it. I think if people wish to leave this world on purpose, that is their decision...but at least give it a chance first to see what you can learn and love. :)
fruitikay 1 month ago
@fruitikay You are truly kind... Once I met a man that sounded just like my Grandfather, on my mom's side, who also died... He felt so much like him, like it WAS him... He even sang the one song that only papa would know, in the same tone of voice... And my mom and sister were there to see it too... But these days, I just don't see any reason to believe in an afterlife..... It would have seemed ridiculous to think like that back THEN, but.....
MrKetchup1333 1 month ago
@fruitikay These days I see no reason to love or have a girlfriend or get married... I... I try endlessly to accept death, but everything just doesn't matter anymore.... I even train in Karate... What's the point of that, even... Still.... You are so kind for caring, and I hope that your time with your Grandma was the best it could have been.....
MrKetchup1333 1 month ago
@MrKetchup1333 Well I think there is a constant battle we fight between society's expectations on us and what we really want from life. Society says we should marry, have kids, live in the suburbs, and hold a stable job. But what do we really want? Kids and marriage might not be for us. The decision of existence is really up to you. It may not be meaningful to society, but at least whatever you do is meaningful to you. Is there some place you've always wanted to travel, for example? :)
fruitikay 1 month ago
@fruitikay I've.. Always wanted to travel to Japan and visit a Buddhist temple... And the Iga Castle..... SIgh....
MrKetchup1333 1 month ago
We are just like any other living creature, showing levels of organization from subatomic particles-atoms-molecules-macromolecules-organelles-cells-tissues-organs-organ systems-organism. Atoms arranged through bonding physics/chemistry and electrical charges shared, holding atoms together in many different arrangements and shapes, determining their properties. Cells die, you die and those atoms that started the whole thing, go back into the Cosmos for recycling. Elegant.
saxmanchiro 6 months ago
Excellent video. Excellent explanations.
The universe is far more beautiful than any religion could feign a god to be.
k7leetha 6 months ago
liked, favorited, and posted. :D love it!
Coquipirate 6 months ago
Excellent stuff, your world view is very similar to my own...
Favourited.
finlarg 6 months ago
Well said, especially the part about the suffering of others. I think religion often, though I can't fairly say always, puts a limit on one's circle of concern to a degree that precludes this kind of valuable pan-empathy we could all us more of.
davetoepfer 6 months ago
I might believe in nothing, my life is miserable, i have no hope.
But I'm happy with it, and I wouldn't exchange it with anything.
saintpine 6 months ago
Beautiful video Fruity! Thoroughly enjoyed every second and I mirror your views 100%.
FearBlandness 6 months ago
Wow cool We are from the same star sister.
Cheers Christine
christinepeace 6 months ago
Even though I am still pissed a Disney for stealing from that anime, it is a good line from the movie that is very true.
Dar0A0Nakk 6 months ago
Very beautifull video :D Thanks for doing it.
All love from me Jasmine
Eopyk 6 months ago
Lovley video my friend. Well done and thoughtful.
jfrontier1 6 months ago
This video looks like it took a long time to make. How long did it take you to make this master piece fruitikay?
supersmash43 6 months ago
Nicely done. I see so many things in life that are beautiful and wonderful, and I've never once seen god as the creator behind them. The fact that we live in a universe that allows for such diverse life is awe-inspiring to me.
StanMarsh1 6 months ago
The reason why I say we are "stardust" is because when the universe began, the main element was Hydrogen which fusions allowed to merge into/with Helium. These created stars, and in the inside of stars and at the end of a stars life, new elements were created from the supernovae and the collapse of stars. This created most other elements like oxygen and carbon, which are some of the fundamental elements of planet Earth. We are in essence Stardust.
fruitikay 6 months ago
That was poetic, well-balanced and beautiful. Faved.
Afriboy10 6 months ago
"From my rotting body, flowers shall grow and I am in them and that is eternity."
- Edvard Munch(1863-1944)
(Norwegian artist, famous for his painting "The Scream")
Marchawc 6 months ago 2
"The same spiritual fulfillment
That people find in religion Can be found in science By coming to know, if you will, the mind of God" - Carolyn Porco
lolroflhehe 6 months ago
"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" -Douglas Adams
fruitikay 6 months ago 16
(**Lovely video!**) Over the course of an 8 year cycle every cell in a human body is replaced. As I am 41 now, that means I have been through this cycle 8 times already. Not one single cell that made up the body I had at age 30 still remains within me. Where are the atoms that made up those cells now? Yesterday I dropped some on grass that today was eaten by a cow. Tomorrow the cow dies and it's meat becomes a feast for some devout priest. And so I live on. Well, a little bit, at least. ;¬)
DaithiDublin 6 months ago
@DaithiDublin I thought that the atoms in our teeth didn't get replaced... can't remember where I heard that though.
finlarg 6 months ago
@finlarg You're spot on. Not so poetic, but very true! Not only teeth, but brain and heart cells are likely to last a lifetime too. And while we're at it, the 8 year cycle ignores the fact that bones and stomach cell can take double that. So in fact, there's a lot of me that is the same person I was at 30. Now that's more depressing than death, surely! ;¬)
DaithiDublin 6 months ago
I believe in an afterlife,its pretty eragant to think other wise.
crypter27 6 months ago
Thats a great feelgood cop-out. what are you going to DO about it. Feeling good is for addicts.
TheCaptainLulz 6 months ago
@TheCaptainLulz I already addressed this in my video, if you even cared to watch it.
fruitikay 6 months ago 4
Beautiful video.
ShyTooShy 6 months ago
it like a philhelness video , [insert other compliment here]
jmm1233 6 months ago
@fruitikay ah that was beautiful. It reminds me of naturalistic buddhism.
OpenAirAtheist 6 months ago
Wonderful video my lovely ♥
AnnikaGarratt 6 months ago
Ah I see... We should eat the christians!
EmmaDelamare 6 months ago
Delightful offering - nice video.
KrokrX 6 months ago
Fantastic video, Jay! I for one don't even care very much whether there's an afterlife or not, what we do while we're still here is much more important.
Fiara 6 months ago
First thing i hear. oblivion. you had me at hello
MegaLibertyPrime 6 months ago
HOLY FUCK!!!! i know this is really off topic, but the intro music was absolutely PERFECT!!!!!
MobileThinker 6 months ago
Dust. Wind. Dude.
yayzu 6 months ago
Your videos are great highdeas.. i love them!
Evansmustard 6 months ago
Very touching. Well done.
Friendough 6 months ago
"Atheists are told they believe in nothing." Err, told by whom?
ArtistryofDebauchery 6 months ago
@ArtistryofDebauchery Many, many people. I was heartbroken when I found some messages online from an old friend who converted to Christianity and became an apologist, decrying atheists and materialists as being selfish individuals with no purpose. I see similar sentiments all the time.
Ceenymeeny 6 months ago
@Ceenymeeny Oh I see, it's just pointing out how misunderstood atheism is. I thought it meant atheists are "taught" by other atheists that they "believe in nothing" thus suggesting that they cant really think for themselves.
But, dang... That really sucks about your friend. It's so sad that religion can create such bigotry and close-mindedness as to destroy a friendship...
ArtistryofDebauchery 6 months ago
Wow, that was beautifully amazing. :D Faved.
ADDMeetsInsomnia 6 months ago
I couldn't have said better. Beautiful, Kay.
JaguarEscarlata 6 months ago
This is fantastic Jay.
I view things in a similar way
I just choose to serve a god while I'm viewing them,
I mean I have nothing to loose,even if god doesn't exist.
mrscooter711 6 months ago
@mrscooter711 Interesting comment... How important is figuring out if the god you serve is real or not? If you don't mind me asking...
finlarg 6 months ago
@finlarg Thankyou.
Extremely important, matters concerning life and death is serious stuff.
Love the body we are in, love the world we are in,
prey to our god that we have the truth, our future depends on it.
I asked the same question but they were far to busy counting there money
in a hospital bed ( where only dancing on this earth for a short while) Cat Stevens...
mrscooter711 6 months ago
Cool
Knightyme 6 months ago
Superb post! Thank you :)
cansurfer1 6 months ago
I enjoyed this. You gave your perspective in a beautiful way.
trident343 6 months ago
Oblivion ftw
Martyj2009 6 months ago
Wow I was actually contemplating this very thing when this video popped up in my subscriptions
Frasssaanarchy 6 months ago