Can a common woman give birth to Jesus? If a common woman gave birth to Jesus, then Jesus is a common man. I haven't seen common women give birth to god's lately. Mary is uncommon and unique in the history of women, Because God chose her. Mary is known as the New Eve and is compared to the Ark of the Covenant in which God dwelled. Makes perfect sense.
@1tontomato, Mary was blessed but Jesus' blood sacrifice is more important than Mary giving birth to Jesus. the Ark of the Covenant is Jesus. Jesus as the Ark carried our sins to the cross, as the Covenant Jesus agreed with His Father in dying a blood sacrifice for our sins. you give all to Mary and this is wrong, give all to Jesus bcuz He gave all for us on the cross and in His resurrection.
I'm not talking about the blood sacrifice of Jesus. This is a subject on Mary that I'm referring to. What you don't seem to understand is the relationship between Mary and Jesus. Mary does not detract from her son Jesus. Just as you or I don't detract from our mothers. It's the opposite. Mary adds to Jesus in the same way that any God fearing Christian adds by glorifying Him, witnessing to His words and spreading the faith to others. Mary gives glory to Jesus as a holy vessel.
@1tontomato. the RCC calls Mary the Ark of the Covenant, this title belongs to Jesus, the RCC calls Mary the Immaculate Conception, this title belongs to Jesus. the RCC calls Mary the all holy one, this title belongs to Jesus, the RCC says Mary is the cause of our salvation, no she is not, Jesus is our cause of salvation. the RCC prays 50 times to Mary in the rosary and only 5 times to the heavenly Father. Mary belongs where she belongs, but Jesus is our only hope for peace and joy.
Silly Protestants, they love to hate our Catholic Church. They love her so much, they keep violating her with the most absurd thoughts, notions and ideas. The bible is not the authority of the Catholic Church. Books don't rule God's kingdoms, countries or nations. The King rules in a kingdom. The President is the representative of a country. In the same manner, the Pope guides our Catholic Church. Books are not authoritative on their own. Just as Protestants have no authority over Catholicism.
POPE AND AUTHORITY = Christ gave Pope Peter alone the "keys of the kingdom" (Matt. 16:19) and promised that Peter’s decisions would be binding in heaven. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." Matt. 16:19
There were many Catholic Churches in the first three hundred years. Constantine wowed the masses with his charisma. He then left for Asia Minor and built his city there (Constantinople) The European Aristocracy, and their fellow crooks invented a non-scriptual (TRADITION=BULLSHIT STORY) to center Christianity+Catholicism in Rome, Italy as an arm of a temporal power structure.
Peter, the Disciple .. never in Rome, Italy. That's why the roman catholics cite "TRADITION"
@dirtbagcatholics They always cite tradition. e.g. According to tradition...or Tradition tells us.. BUT..
There were many Churches in the first century... Antioch, Alexandria, Ephesus, Jerusalem..etc There were also Disciples who kept close watch on what was said and written.
The roman catholic empire couldn't write into scripture their baloney giving them the god-given right to superiority... so... they use a silly concept TRADITION...
Zins seems baffled how Christ can build his Church upon Peter the Rock while remaining the foundation himself. How does Zins understand "the foundation of apostles and prophets" upon the foundation of Christ in Ephesians 2:20?
@sungmoon1987 First, Salvation is started by faith that lead to works. But works alone don't have any merit. Romans 9 2) Tradition is another word for teaching. Catholic is not the church in 100AD my friend. 3) true 4) Peter's confession if the "rock" Peter died but Jesus confession lives on. Peter trust as Jesus of the Lord build a church not a person. Mary is Jesus Mother- not God's mother in the true sense. Mary was human and sinned. The CC did not exist in 40AD. Not so.
@MRGV7373 I dont see the difference between your first point and my first point, except to say that faith and works are both required for salvation. My second point is that the bible alone is not sufficient, for it was'nt put together until the Catholic Church had finished making it, and that no where in the Bible does it say for the Word of God to be 'read', but to be preached, which is through the church.
@MRGV7373 Third, Christ said to Peter 'You are the rock and upon this rock I shall build my church and Hell shall not prevail against it." If you look at history in a archaeological sense, you'll find the Peter's tomb is actually below ST. Peter's Square, and from a theological point, the word 'Peter' actually means rock when read in the original Greek (or Aramaic if you prefer) of the Bible. Peter did have faith in Christ as Lord, and as such Christ granted Peter the keys to heaven.
@MRGV7373 Your point that you say Mary is the mother of Jesus but not of God is a contradiction. Mary is the mother of Jesus. Jesus is God the Son. It then follows that Mary is the mother of God. But Mary does have a throne higher than God the Father, nor is she worshiped by anyone. But she is honored, as we all must honor thy parents.
@sungmoon1987. purgatory is not in the bible neither is the pope, Jesus is the Rock on which Peter placed his faith. RC tradition is not supported by the bible. Mary was not immaculately conceived, Jesus was. Faith saves us when we put all our trust and faith in Jesus'blood sacrifice. Mary is not the mother of God be careful what you call her. Mary does not pray for us Jesus does. the living bornagain saints pray for each other in Jesus' name, not in Mary's name.
5 - Mary as the Mother of God is upheld by scriptures (Luke 1:43)
6 - Mary's Immaculate Conception is upheld by scriptures (Luke 1:28)
7 - The Catholic Church is required for complete salvation. (Mat 10:22,24:13,Mat 10:38,16:24-25,Mark8:34,Luk9:23,14:27,Mark16:16,Titus3:5,1Peter3:20-21,Acts2:47,James5:16,1John1:9,Mat5:19-20,7:21,Acts11:13-14, 15:7,Hebrews13:7,17.John6:51-58,1Corin10:16,1 Cor11:23-29). The Catholic Church is the only church that fits all requirements listed in scripture.
@sungmoon1987 so your Proofs are very poor and really don't exit. Mary was a special women but common. She is human and all humans sin. Otherwise Mary is God which is false. Mary was human sinned and God saved her just like us. See Act 1-2. By faith Mary believed in Jesus and became born again. The CC is one of many churches that preach Jesus as Lord and Christ. Only thing a person needs is to trust and act on faith with Jesus to be saved. John 3. The RCC is not needed for salvation
@MRGV7373 I do not wish to prove anything, but to speak the truth. "Hail Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee." (Luke 1:28 This is the angel Gabriel speaking to Mary, he uses the word 'grace' which means in a biblical sense, 'without sin', and angels always speak on behalf of God. Further reading can be found in Luke 1:41-48, where Elizabeth calls Mary "the mother of our Lord."
@MRGV7373 Mary was no human just like all of us, the angel of our Lord called her "full of grace" and no where in the Bible does it show that she was baptized, why? Because she was already with Christ, as his mother, and she was already without sin.
@MRGV7373 I am sure that most non-catholics would be more accepting of the Catholic Church if we just stopped saying that we were the only 1 Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, indeed, all protestant sects and non-denominational churches are all accepting of each other because they say they are equals. Unfortunately, Christ said to Peter "You are Peter.....I shall build my Church" (singular), he never said 'churches' in the plural.
The Catholic Debaters are excellent!! They are simply quoting The Early Church.. What else is there left? The Catholic Church is The One True Apostolic Church!
Did you know that Jesus gave his own name to Peter because he was commissioned to lead the Church in his absence? "And the Rock was Christ" (1Cor 10:4). "And I tell you, you are Rock and upon this Rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matt 16 :18)
No where in the bible does it tell us that we are saved 'ALONE' by faith. Tell your wife that your love her, and dont show any works or action, let's see how long that marriage lasts. So how do you expect it work for God? Let's use our common sense and stop being so damn lazy that we can't show God we love him by doing good works.
@sungmoon1987 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8,9 Works come after salvation. Works before salvation are called filthy rags in the Bible.
This is what you need.
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2Corinthians 5:17
@BereanBeacon1 Good works play no part in our salvation? I dont think so. What we believe, is shown through our action. Faith alone, is not stated in the bible. In fact, Saint Paul said "If I have faith enough to move mountains without love, I am nothing." Saint Paul said, "Faith without works is dead". He also said, "Show me your faith without works, and I will show the works that underline my faith." I won't quote you the scripture paragraphs, you seem to know them already.
@sungmoon1987 Hey humanoid!! Do you have "AGAPE LOVE" or the love of yourself, your body and your pope' with it the "mother earth" and what not! What straw hat's arguments you are presenting here; it makes you such a DUMB fella! Do you really believe that YOU papists have so MUCH love that it overshadows faith?? I don't believe you ever have an ounce of agape love! How could you?? As long as you are a papist, you'll NEVER EVER know what AGAPE LOVE is. You're under the CURSE of your religion!!
@mariastephen62 I had been a Protestant Evangelist/Presbyterian for 23 years (and quite a staunch anti-catholic too), but changed to Roman Catholocism 1 year ago after vising France and Italy. I then ACTUALLY researched Catholocism, and found there to be very strong and sound theological standing for EVERYTHING the Catholic church does. I now receive Holy Communion kneeling and on the tongue and sit in the front pew during Mass. I am very happy.
@mariastephen62 I don't know much about 'mother earth' or whether the term has any standing at all, but I do know that the Earth was created by God. We should take care of it as such. Perhaps I am a Papist (prefer Roman Catholic as the correct term despite it to be a contradiction on itself, Roman = Rome, Catholic = Universal), but it was Christ who instituted the papacy. You may find such relevant scriptures in the followuing replies.
@sungmoon1987 AND DON'T YOU KNOW WHY ALL PAPISTS ARE UNDER THE CURSE OF ROMAN CATHOLICISM AND THE DEMON NAMED "QUEEN OF HEAVEN"??? O! HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE...HOW CAN PAPISTS KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT YAHWEH'S LOVE WHEN YOUR RELIGIOUS CULT IS SO FILLED WITH CURSES TO FOLLOWERS OF JESUS CHRIST!! YOU MUST BE WONDERING WHAT ON GOD'S EARTH I AM TALKING ABOUT. YOUR IGNORANCE OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT PROVES THAT YOU KNOW VERY LITTLE OF THE AMOUNT OF HATE ROMAN CATHOLICISM HAS FOR US FOR 100s OF YEARS!!
@mariastephen62 The reason why I don't reply to you quickly, and so it may seem that I'm ignoring you, is because your statements are totally wrong. If you have a statement to make, back it up with either some bible verse, historical precedence, or something other than the ideas in your mind.
@sungmoon1987 SHOW ME WHAT MANNER OF LOVE THAT THE PAPIST RELIGION HAS BEEN CUDDLING AND PAMPERING FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS SINCE THE REFORMATION ERA WHEN THESE EVIL POPES HAVE BEEN NURTURING THE "PROTESTANT CURSE" THAT SPEAKS UNSPEAKABLE LANGUAGES!! SO, MR. SUNG MYUN MOON... (WHOEVER YOU ARE...), DON'T TELL US BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS THE MEANING OF THE THE "AGAPE LOVE" OF WHICH LOVE THE LIKES OF YOU SHALL NEVER KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT UNLESS YOU SHALL RENOUNCE AND DENOUNCE THE PAPIST "PROTESTANT CURSE".
@mariastephen62 Frankly I don't care much for your arguments, but since today is Sunday it is indeed a very fitting day to make this reply. (I'll offer it up to God as penance). First, you should stop using the CAPS LOCK, because it makes you seem un-agape like, and all your cursing is very irritating.
@mariastephen62 The Papacy is supported by Holy Scriptures. Please look at Matt 16:17-19, Matt 16:17-19, 17:24-27, 1 Peter 5:13, 2 Peter 1:16-21, Gal 1:18, Acts 9:20, Acts 13:2 Acts 15:7-11, Luke 24:33, Mark 1:36, Luke 9:28,32, Acts 2:37, 5:29, 1 Cor 9:5, and I can go on and on. Put them all together, you get the Papacy.
@sungmoon1987 MR. SUNG MOON OR "LAGU BULAN". JUST HOW DO YOU INTERPRET THE BIBLE VERSE THAT SAYS: "WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION"?????? DOES IT MEAN: "FIND YOUR OWN WAY TO PARADISE"?? OR, DO LOTS AND LOTS OF GOOD WORKS SO THAT THE GOOD WORKS THAT YOU DO OUTWEIGHS THE BAD WORKS DONE AND BY HOOK OR BY CROOK, YOU SHALL ESCAPE HELL OR AT LEAST FIND YOUR WAY TO MYTHICAL / FABLED "PURGATORY"?? MANA ADA PURAGTORY OHHH!! WITH "AGAPE LOVE" I SERIOUSLY URGE YOU TO READ THE BIBLE - NOT THE FAKE CATECHISM.
@mariastephen62 There is only 1 Catechism of the Catholic Church, hence there being no fake available. Purgatory is supported by Holy Scriptures, check out 1 Co 3:10-17, Rev 21:27, Matt 5:22, Luke 12:58-59 and Mat 5:25-26, Hebrews 12:22-23, Hebrews 12:6-11, Matt 12:32, 1 Peter 3:18-19, 4:6, 2 Maccabees 12:43-45, John 5:14-17. I'm not usually a person to quote scripture, it's not very Catholic of me to do that haha, but you're way out of your mind theologically and need salvation.
@sungmoon1987 YOU ARE READING THE BIBLE OUT OF CONTEXT. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT GENUINE CHRISTIANS DON'T DO WORKS FOR YAHWEH?? WHAT ON EARTH MADE YOU SAY THAT?? HAVE YOU KNOWN A GENUINELY BORN AGAIN FOLLOWERS OF YESHUA HAMASHIACH WHO EATS AND THEN SLEEPS THE WHOLE DAY LIKE A PIG / SWINE?? DOES PASTOR PAUL WASHER WORK FOR GOD OR FOR SATAN? WHAT DOES HE DO DAILY? ARE YOU SAYING THAT DOING GOOD WORKS IS MERELY DOING CHARITY?? O MAN!! ANOTHER UNREGENERATE ATTEMPTING TO TEACH AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS!
@mariastephen62 I dont know who that man is, but is he Catholic? Unfortunately, my statements remains true. Only Catholics go to heaven because we are part of the 1 Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church instituted by Christ. The rest of humanity is left to the mercy of God, and purgatory will be a very good thing for a person like you.
Respond to this video... DIDN'T ANYONE IN YOUR SO-CALLED THE TRUEST AND THE MOST GENUINE RELIGION IN THE WHOLE WORLD TELL YOU THAT PREACHING THE GOSPEL TRUTH TO INFIDELS AND THE UNCONVERTED REPRESENT THE SUPREME WORKS ACCEPTABLE TO YAHWEH?? OR TO THE PAPISTS, GOOD WORKS MEAN WORSHIPING THE POPE, THE RELICS (BONES), SERVING AND BOWING DOWN TO THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN AND PRETENDING TO LOVE THE POOR BY DOING CHARITY? IS THAT ALL YOU PAPISTS KNOW ABOUT LOVE? THAT'S NOT GENUINE LOVE! KNOW "AGAPE LOVE"!!
@mariastephen62 5th Commandment, "Honor thy mother and thy father." Who is mother of Christ? Mary. Therefore? We should honor her. We are to preach the gospel to all corners of the Earth, without prejudice to their sins or their past, all people have the right to hear God's word.
@BereanBeacon1 AMEN!!!!!! TO THAT DEAR BROTHER. LET THEIR BE A MOUNTAIN OF AGAPE LOVE IN US. THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT RESIDE WITHIN OUR HEARTS - HIS KINGDOM IS IN OUR HEARTS - ENSURES THAT ALL OTHER FORMS OF HYPOCRITICAL LOVE WILL HAVE NO PLACE IN OUR HEARTS! THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NOT TOLERATE A "SPIRITUAL MALIGNANT GROWTH"TO FLOURISH WITHIN US. WE HAVE THE SPIRIT OF DISCERNMENT UNLIKE THE IGNORANT, SPIRT-FILLED ARROGANT PAPISTS. THEY THINK THEY HAVE "LOTS OF LOVE" BUT THAT'S NOT "AGAPE LOVE".
@BereanBeacon1 I will quote only 1 scripture for you, James 2:24 "You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone." This should be enough for you, but if you require more, I suggest reading the entire chapter 2 of the book of James. God always reiterates important points.
@sungmoon1987 You cannot understand because you are spiritually dead and love darkness.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1Corinthians 2:14
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. John 3:19
@sungmoon1987 Are you the lunatic Sun Myung Moon?? Sounds like bah!! What a "DIRT" cheap analogy! You are so naive! Incredibly naive I must say for an ignorant fella. Oh man!! Read ALL the books / epistles of the Bible; don't just obey your hell-bound papist priests and bishops which part of the Bible you can read. You say you have your own will or are you secretly a "calvinist papist" btw??? Only a nincompoop would say that it is wrong and anathemic to read the Bible on our own. GROW up man!!
@mariastephen62 I do read all the books of the bible, it was the Catholic Church that wrote the New Testament and it was the protestant faith that wanted to take out the Book of James because of it's very Catholic teachings.
@mariastephen62 I see that you're not a very nice Christian because you enjoy making fun of people's names (Sung-moon is my name, and it is the korean translation of a biblical name 'Peter', have you heard that name before 'Peter'?).
@sungmoon1987 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8,9 Works come after salvation. Works before salvation are called filthy rags in the Bible. But again, because you have resigned yourself to be the salve of the Romish religious cult and your god called the pope and your mother named the Queen of Heaven, you will NEVER be set FREE and enter through that strait way and narrow gate- NEVER!!!
@mariastephen62 Ah salvation I see. Actually to have a complete picture, never take only 1 scripture reading. God always supports his Holy Scriptures by repitition. James 2:24 "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone). James 2:14-26, Galatians 5:6, Ephesians 3:!7, 1 Thess 3:6, 2 Thess 1:3, 1 John 3:23, Rev 2:4-5, and the importance of works with faith, Luk5:46,Mat7:21,Mat19:16-21, Jam2:19,1 John 2:3-4,1Cor9:25-27,Heb10:26-27,2Cor5:10,Rom2:6-10,13.
@sungmoon1987 What to do to be saved then? Only faith? No, the devil believes in God too. Mat 10:22,24:13,Mat 10:38,16:24-25,Mark8:34,Luk9:23,14:27,Mark16:16,Titus3:5,1Peter3:20-21,Acts2:47,James5:16,1John1:9,Mat5:19-20,7:21,Acts11:13-14, 15:7,Hebrews13:7,17.John6:51-58,1Corin10:16,1 Cor11:23-29. The Catholic Church is the ONLY church that meets all these requirements to being saved.
Before Jesus ascended into heaven,he told his disciples make more disciples.Matthew 28:19,20,Go therefore and make disciples of peoples of all the nations,baptizing them in the name of the Father and...teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU.And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.Acts 1:8,and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerulaslem....and to the most distant part of the earth. Jesus preached, JW's preach-Jesus' disciples.
Romans 10:13-15,..".everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved. ...how will they call on him in whom they have not put faith?How...will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard? How...will they hear with-out someone to preach?" We must PROVE our faith by following this commission. James 2:26- "Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead,so also faith without works is dead". James 2:18,"You have faith,and I have works...,and I shall show you my faith by my works."JW's work.
@shamounian Reformed Protestants (particularly) believe the Bible to be teaching that God has prepared good works for his elect to do from before the foundation of the world. These are not meritorious works, however, but are designed to help the individual believer fulfill God's will for his life in obedience as is appropriate for an adopted child of the King. Works are the "outworking" of belief (faith), and in that sense, prove his claim to faith to himself in his heart and to the Church.
no, faith alone can save it is good works that vindicates the perseption of rue faith, romans 10:9 if you confess Jesus is Lord and God raised him from the dead you are saved, that is the truth, and faith is not the true faith if not vindicated through works, the faith is the salvation and the fruit is good works
@christian333faith That's politically correct, but theological it's very wrong. To say that only an announcement of faith is required is to say that all Christian denominations will go to heaven and sit at the table of our Lord, where no doubt we'll all still be fighting over who is a real Christian and who is not. Theologically wrong. Salvation has it's requirements meticulously written in the scriptures.
The early church did a great job, led by the HS. Peter did much guided by the HS. I think that God wants the HS to guide us all. One person is not to lead the church. One God should guide the church. Peter is a rock, not THE rock. No one MAN is the final rock. Jesus is the rock. The one quote is from Peter, And Simon Peter answered and said," Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." Is not this the confession of all believers that makes us Church and Christian??
@MRGV7373 That 'confession' is not enough, mainly because by your words, all Jews would go to heaven (who don't believe Christ has come yet, but they believe in him coming), all different protestant sects would go to heaven (despite some of them dont believe in baptism, sacraments, Mary etc). Christ did not use the words "THE" rock, but something very interesting occurs with the original Bible text.
@sungmoon1987 The original New Testament Bible was written in Greek, and the Greek word for Peter is 'Petrus', and the Greek word for Rock is 'Petram'. So if we translated the scripture literally, it would be "You are rocky, and upon this rock I will build my church." Hence, Peter is THE rock. And as many know, Mathew had written his gospel so that it would be easy for all to understand, hence, the literalness.
Faith will lead to works. The works are proof that the faith is active and working. Faith alone with no works means that the faith is not active and mere belief that Jesus is the Christ. Even Satan believe that Jesus is God's Son, but he has no works that show he is following Jesus. Believe must lead to works of love of neighbor. Faiths outcomes will be Christ 's behaviors. If no behaviors change, faith must not be at work. Active faith will have works.
If all the apostles died in a car crash the day after Jesus rose from the dead, would not the church still be with us?? Why, due to the belief by humans " that Jesus is God's Son and is the Christ." The confession by Peter is the key the Church. Peter has the keys to open and close in ACT 1-15. Peter's rock is his confession of Jesus. The confession is the rock of all Christian churches. Peter is a human that has faith in God. Great Man, and a good leader.
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:13-15
I often find it interesting that protestants seem to have to discount their opponents in order to make themselves right,rather than just preach.It's like if you can put down the opposition,then you can prove your point.notice,the opposition does 't have to even mention other beliefs,we just believe!! cathy
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:13-15
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:13-15 Who are the few? Saved by faith alone. Who are the many? All such religions as yours.
@mjmenjivar In your Bible: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8,9. and I know the verse you will use. Romans 10:9,10,13 no works. No works in the book of Acts, so will need to send a book of the Bible on "works" salvation. Romans 5:15- 18, gift 3 times, free gift 3 times. You need the narrow way Jesus spoke of in Matthew 7:13-15, because all else is the broad way.
1.) I don´t see in there "Faith Alone" so, when you find the passage, send it please.
2.) Those works comdemned in those passages you quoted, are "works of debt" or what Paul calls "works of the law" of Moses (old covenant). But the works that JESUS and Paul exhorts us to do, are works of LOVE, just as Jesus told us "If you LOVE me, you will KEEP my comandments, HE who KEEP my comandments is He who LOVES me"
3.) I DON´T DENY being save by Faith, I DENY being save by faith "ALONE"
@mjmenjivar Repeat, In your Bible: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. "Saved by faith", "not of works". Works come after salvation as a result of the love for Jesus Christ. Works to obtain salvation is impossible as all religions have their own invented "works". Read the book of Romans and find out where the law comes in. Read Galatians where the law will not work.
@mjmenjivar 8,000 orthodox Jews were converted in Acts 2 and 4 by faith. Saved then baptized. The Jews knew all about works through the OT, so why would just change for another set of works. There was great joy to be have the burden of works lifted from them. I and others have the same salvation as those Jews 2,000 years later. You can have that joy as well. In God will I praise his word: in the Lord will I praise his word. Psalm 56:10
I said: YES we are save by Faith. Thats the Teaching from the Bible, the Church, and Tradition. But we are NOT save "by faith ALONE" that´s the teaching of the Bible, the Church and Tradition
I repeat, those "works" comdemned in the verses you quoted, are "works of debt" or "works of the law" (old covenant) those jews you mentioned were converted in Acts 2 and 4 were preaching the OLD cocenant "save by works of the law"
I think you are confusing "Grace Alone" with "faith Alone"
@mjmenjivar Since you mentioned "grace alone" can you quote a verse which says we are saved by grace alone or only by grace? And can you address 3:3-7 where it says we are not saved by deeds of righteousness with no reference to either debt or the old covenant? Thank you.
I´ll give you the text when you give me the on which says "we are save by faith ALONE" Deal?
On Titus 3, I will accept the explanation u can give me and the conclution will be; we are Save by the grace of God, because of HIS Love. Titul 3:8 "teaching all this, so that those who now believe in God may keep their minds constantly occupied in DOING GOOD WORKS. All this IS GOOD, and USEFUL for everybody"
It is about how Jews were save at THAT moment and how the NEW covenant saves us
Thanks for proving your inconsistency and dishonesty. You demand of others what you yourself cannot supply in support of your own position. Titus 3:8 DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR CASE since Paul has already demonstrated that good works do not merit salvation, justification, regeneration etc. So let me ask you again. are we justified by grace of God ALONE because of his love? When you answer I will proceed to further expose you.
And you are sadly mistaken since the text is not about the Jews
With all respect my friend, I think you havent see my point. The point and diference between you and me is that I DON"T base my faith in "sola scriptura" and you yes, base it there. So, if you prove me that that's what I have to do, I will become protestant,,, even tough I have ALL Bible support for Christian Catholic Faith.
And the answer is YES, we are save by Grace Alone, trou faith and Works,,, that's what the council of trent says, and that's what the Bible says.
The problem you will encounter is that your Protestant counterparts will set up parametres which are foreign to your view of Christianity. You mention it well in their appeal to sola scriptura. The fact that John (anonymous!) mentions he never recorded all of what Jesus transmitted is not only shocking but it is also evidence against sola scriptura.
Think about it, if there was UNRECORDED Jesus related material out there any appeal to sola scriptura falls on its face!
Here is the cowardly Muslim who repeatedly exposes his theological and logical illiteracy. Yahya, will you ever prove to be man enough to debate me so I can expose your ignorance of Sola Scriptura, along with your ignorance of Islam? I know the answer. Before I expose you here for all to see could you please define what Sola Scriptura IS and ISN'T? From there I will proceed to show you how John actually condemns not only your ignorance but Muhammad as well, showing that he was an antichrist.
Sam, please stop. I was considering addressing MBI3030 (Antonio) or Bartimus on the blog via a challenge. These are some of your top guys - nobody is afraid.
As for Sola Scriptura. Are you kidding me??? I have just put up a blog article on Exodus - check it out and benefit from the knowledge there in rather than beating your chest.
Perhaps I will put one up about Sola Scripura soon BUT Mr Rogers is due a rebuke, thus he should take priority.
@YahyaSnow clown, about time you stop with your stupid circus tricks and answer my question.Now instead of appealing to your garbage which matches the Quran in its stupidity and incoherence, PLEASE DEFINE SOLA SCRIPTURA FOR ME. Now be a good little dog and produce your bite so I can muzzle you.
Calm down with your hatred and blasphemy. Even your fellow Christian has accused you of dishonesty over the "sufficient/useful" point.
I am hardly going to educate you on Sola Scriptura in a YT comment thread. If I discuss the topic I shall do so on the blog. I have just rebuked you and your sort over your unscholarly dribble concerning taqiyya.
PS get yourself over to jibreelk's site, he has just made this a mserable Sunday for you. Forget about Sam Shamoun Sundays...
Get yourself over to Keithtruth's page to see what he is going to do to your other dog JibreelK. Tell your twin mutt I am waiting for a formal acceptance or answer to my challenge for him to come on tthe show so I can muzzle him. You have shown that all you have is a bark so we know you won't come on to defend your false prophet and the satanic spirit whom you worship. So keep barking away since that is what dogs like you are known for doing.
Calm down with your barking since you are starting to foam at the mouth as a result of spewing your filth and lies, promoting the religion of an antichrist. You are hardly intelligent enough to debate me on any subject, let alone Sola Scriptura. You keep barking over and over again on your blog, which is why you have become the laughing stock of all of us. if you really thought you were smart and intelligent enough to refute me you would have jumped at the chance to debate a long time ago.
@shamounian Sola Scripture refers to the Bible alone as the only, self authenticating,and final authority of Christian doctrine. Sola Scriptura or Bible Alone is illogical, unhistorical, inconsistent and unbiblical. We know this because it was the Catholic Church that put a collection of books together to form the New Testament. It is sufficent to say that the Bible is a Catholic book.
@shamounian It took 400 years for the Catholic Church to put the complete collection of books together to form the NT, and a further 1000 years for a printing press to be invented. Together with the councils of carthage, trent, nicaea, florence and hippo and ratifications, all Christians had the same Bible.
@shamounian When the reformation came along, Martin Luther wanted to get rid of James, Hebrews, 2 Peter, and Revelations. James 2:21-26 was almost removed, or possible removed, because it refutes the protestant idea that salvation is through faith alone, when in fact it says just the opposite.
Nice way of evading the issue! Let me answer your challenge. Can you please list an article of faith and a good work which all true believers must affirm and do which are not mentioned in the Holy Scriptures? Once you answer the question I will proceed to show you the error of your ways.
@mjmenjivar you are about to destroy the credibility of your apostate church. Before I proceed to show you I want to make sure that this is your final answer. You sure this is your answer?
you are funny trying to intimidate me Don't worry, you don't.
You keep telling me the same u see?
You know what? I will continue if you give me the text that list the 27 letters of the New Testament and the one that teaches "sola scriptura" because I gave you the answer,and u just wait for a mistake from me,otherwise, bye bye
And, you are PROTESTANT, because you are NOT Catholic... like it or not
You are NOT Christian, because WE Christians DO NOT protest Jesus's decitions.
Let's see who will be laughing now. Here is a text which I would like you to comment on: "and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, WHICH ARE ABLE TO MAKE YOU WISE FOR SALVATION through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for EVERY good work." 2 Timothy 3:15-17
Since Paul says the Scriptures are able to give you the wisdom of knowing how to be saved and since the Svriptures are capable of equipping the man of God for EVERY - not just some, not just many, but EVERY - good work, you pretty much disagree with Paul and proved that he was mistaken. After all if the canon of the NT is a an article of faith or good work that I must know then this means that Paul was wrong about the Scriptures equipping us for EVERY good work since the canon is not mentioned.
Therefore, you have managed to destroy one of the pillars which your apostate Church says is an essential and necessary component of the Romish faith, namely, Sacred Scripture. Moreover, since you believe your apostate church canonized 2 Timothy this means that they included a book which is mistaken within the canon of God's inspired, inerrant Word. Thus, your church cannot be infallible if it included a fallible book within the canon which is supposed to only contain a list of infallible books.
Great job of both exposing and destroying the credibility of your apostate church. however, I thought you were supposed to be defending the lies of Rome, not helping to destroy them? You sure you are not a a Protestant in disguise?
Stop acting stupid and stop attacking strawman. The verses say that Scripture is useful TO EQUIP THE MAN OF GOD FOR EVERY GOOD WORK. So I am not going to let you squirm your way out of this one. If this Scripture is sufficient or useful for informing the man of God for EVERY - not some, not many, but EVERY- good work then either you and your church are liars or Paul was wrong. You claimed that knowing the canon is a good work which the Scripture does not mention. See next post.
This means you are either forced to admit your argument is pathetic or Paul is wrong. However, if Paul is wrong then so is your apostate church which you claim gave you the canon which includes 2 Timothy, a letter which you have shown is mistaken. Second, Paul IS NOT REFERRING JUST TO THE OT BUT TO ALL THE SCRIPTURE THAT TIMOTHY WOULD HAVE KNOWN FROM CHILDHOOD TILL THE TIME OF PAUL'S WRITING 2 TIMOTHY. Read 1 Timothy 5:18 where Paul quotes Luke 10:7 and calls it Scripture along with Deut. 25:4.
Finally, even if 2 Timothy were referring to the OT THIS STILL WOULD EXPOSE YOU AS A LIAR. If the OT was sufficient to equip the man of God for EVERY good work THEN HOW MUCH MORE SUFFICIENT IS THE BIBLE NOW THAT WE ALSO HAVE THE NT BOOKS? That means it must be SUPER-SUFFICIENT to make a person wise for salvation and for equipping the man of God for EVERY GOOD WORK. So, once again, if you are right that the canon is a good work that a person mus know then Paul is wrong. See next post.
If Paul is wrong then your church is corrupt since, according to you, it canonized a book which is in error. However, we know Paul is not wrong. Therefore, both you and your apostate church are wrong, since this text does teach sola scriptura by affirming that Scripture is thoroughly sufficient in enabling a person to know how to get saved through faith in Jesus Christ and for equipping him to do EVERY good work necessary to please God and to live a holy life. Read it and weep.
You are being "rethoric" my friend.. anyone can do that.
Paul is NOT wrogn, the Church affirms it
You CHANGED the word Paul used from "USEFUL" to "sufficient" so, who is corrupting scripture my friend? Why you need to change "words" just to make your point valid?
Since that text does not say what you said (sufficient) (you changed the word) then, you are liying to me and yourself
Because I am pacience, I will continue wating for the "sola scriptura" and the 27 letters text
Listen, stop playing your stupid games and address the issues. But you know you can't, just like your apostate church can't defend it's lies. Let me repeat the point one more time, this time in all caps so you can get it. MY POINT DOESN'T HINGE ON THE WORD SUFFICIENT. MY POINT HINGES ON PAUL'S CLEAR AND EXPLICIT STATEMENT THAT THE SCRIPTURE IS USEFUL FOR EQUIPPING THE MAN OF GOD FOR EVERY GOOD WORK. See next post.
Let me put this in the form of a question so I can further help you get the point. WHAT DOES PAUL SAY THE SCRIPTURE IS USEFUL? PAUL SAYS IT IS USEFUL FOR EQUIPPING THE MAN OF GOD FOR EVERY GOOD WORK. Therefore, if there is a good work which is not in Scripture that the man of God must do then this means Paul is wrong. This is your position. Your appeal to the canon proves that Paul is wrong and therefore your apostate church is wrong for canonizing this letter. Hopefully, you got the point now.
Look, you are doing this with 2Tim 3:16 "All scripture is inspired by God and (----BLANK----) for refuting error, for guiding people's lives and teaching them to be upright"
You left the text in "blank", so your word "sufficient" can fix there.right?
But, unfurtunally for you, there is NOT blank space in there. It says it is "USEFUL" and of course the scripture is useful to do all that
So, where is the text saying "sufficient" as you said?
So, if you think 2Tim 3:16 is teaching "sola scriptura" you have a big problem... ANY person sees, even in the protestants (your brothers and sisters), says that text is NOT teaching "sola scriptura"
And my frien, of course, I agreed that ALL SCRIPTURE is USEFUL "for refuting error, for guiding... every good work (upright)" of course it is USEFUL,, that I USE it (useful)
But, USEFUl DOESN¨T mean "SUFFICIENT or ONLY.. go read the dictionary
@shamounian Numerous times we read that faith alone is not sufficient. Read the entire 2nd Chapter of the Book of James. Faith alone is just as good as the devil, he believes in God too, and look where he is. Faith and deeds is required.
and in fact, what i am proving to you protestants is YOUR inconsistency as you said: "You demand of others what you yourself cannot supply in support of your own position" because you base it all in "sola scriptura" still you CAN"T give the verse in the Bible that teaches "sola scriptura"...or any apostle, or father of the Church that mentioned o teach it.. or ANY person prior the 15th century... you can;t give it,,,, so, You are getting the point,, YOUR PROTESTANT INCONCISTENCY
@mjmenjivar WHAT!!!??? Define what is SOLA FIDE and SOLA GRATIA!! These 2 SOLAS are ALIENS to the papists!! Why are you talking about GRACE ALONE and FAITH ALONE when your hatred for these 2 doctrines of Christianity knows NO bounds!! BTW, there are at least 2 more SOLAS - "SOLA SCRIPTURA" and "SOLA CHRISTO"! Sadly though, papists DENY all the 4 SOLAS of the Scriptures / Christianity and that's why papists will NEVER be Born AGAIN unless they RENOUNCE and DENOUNCE first the "Protestant Curse"!!
Sadly u condemned the Popes and forgot that the first Pope, Peter,denied Jesus 3 times and Jesus himself called him "satan" but Jesus DIDN¨T condemned him,but ask him to "rule the sheeps"
I don´t have to define it, u can read the Church documents if u want a definition
Show me where in th Bible is mentioned and tought "FAITH ALONE" "SCIPTURE ALONE". I you prove it in your own Biblie, I will make my own Church leaving the Catholic, promise. ("ALONE" is what you have to prove)
@jamesglory1 you're not really listening or you are already listening with prejudice in your heart james because it is more clear to me that Peter was really endowed by Christ with such primacy, biblically and historically. I suggest you listen again and you will see the real TRUTH not the lie that you have embraced.
I wish more people would see this video, especially Roman catholics, i am a former catholic and these people so need our prayers and to be delivered from false teachings and heresies, thanks for posting this, may Jesus our Lord bless you, I also wish it was all translated in French for the province of Quebec in Canada, we so need this here, please pray for more workers in this field here, thanks
Christian Answers always welcomes inquiries and requests. Why don't you write them at cdebater @ aol (dot) com, (no spaces, please), and request a transcript of this and any other video, and upload it yourself, perhaps.
Brother highlighting holes within Catholicism is one thing but to promote the Protestant view as the truth is a totally different kettle of fish.
We must focus on the contradictions within the Bible and the other problematic passages within the Bible (ie Numbers 1:20-46). The fact the Bible is errant should be a stimulus for further rethinking. Simply rethinking Catholicism is insufficient.
@YahyaSnow Who said i was a protestant my friend? I am neither catholic nor protestant, i belong to Christ, i am a Christian. And instead on focussing on the contradictiions that are inexistant in the Bible if we know the Bible in its Full Counsel, and having read it in Context, we could then focus on Christ as the Bible, in my 4 years of intensive study, has proven time and time again to be acurate, for that passage, i arrive at exactly 603550 with the calculator, just as said btw, Jesus bless
@Serge1965 Hey bro...., I agree 1000% with you on this! I was a nincompoop papist of the worst kind. I hated people like you - it must be because of that "Protestant Curse" pronounced upon all ANTI-POPES or ANTI-PAPIST back then (16th Century). When I became a Born Again Christian I began to love and have compassion toward the papists despite their deep hatred toward me and my loved ones whom I brought out of Roman Catholicism. Obviously, Sung Moon needs our prayer for his SIN deliverance .
@mariastephen62 You know what? Maybe that was wrong of me, because I don't know you well enough & I think Jesus would like to see us more united, so obviously you need prayer too.
@mariastephen62 I dont hate Protestants. I used to be one. And I used to be really anti-catholic aswell, and how much I regret saying some things to my college mates back in the days. But sufficent to say, I saw in the Roman Catholic church, such a perfection in theology, that it was difficult to ignore. I am now a Roman Catholic.
@SANxJONERO Sorry to contradict you my friend but Jesus Christ doesn't need no Vicar (Replacer) on the earth as He is still the Chief of His own Church as it is written: For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. (Ephesians 5:23). Maybe syou should watch the video, i was a roman catholic myself, i no longer belong to any man made religion, i belong to Christ alone
@Serge1965 Well if you're sorry "friend", then don't even post anything! Even tho you don't completely contradict me, because no one ever said Christ wasn't the head of His church. It's just that God is the invisible head & the Pope is the visible head, as in head Bishop. Maybe no one should watch the video? The say time is money, so that would definitely be a waste of it. It's too bad you actually believe God didn't leave us a church & didn't learn were you were supposed to, as a Catholic
@SANxJONERO if you started by reading your Bible, you'd understand that the real Church is not a religion led by man but human beings infilled with and led by the Holy Spirit of God since Pentacost in the Book of Acts, Christ did not come to promote a religion started in 325 AD by Emperor Constantine,s mother and if your heart is on money rather than on Jesus know that Christ said to lay up your treasures in Heaven For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.(Mat 6:20-21)
@Serge1965 If I started reading my bible? You think God left the bible for idiots like you to try interpret for me? I don't think so bro. I would look like a fool like you if I acted like I knew all about the bible by myself, just due to the fact I have read it. Looks like you've been doing more than that, cuzz you sound like a crackhead protestant preacher that doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to religion
@SANxJONERO WOW , your last post is nothing like Christ, so according to you everyone who reads and understand the Bible is a crackhead and an idiot? And you say you have read it????? Jesus ChrI sure don't know what you read but it sure wasn't the Bible, Jesus said: whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. (Matthew 5:22) I forgive you and strongly recommend you start reading as Jesus
@Serge1965 WOW, your post is nothing like Christ either! Why would I say someone who understands the bible is a crackhead? LOL Oh & I have read the bible, but someone as ignorant as you wouldn't understand that.
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sinugba4u 3 weeks ago
Can a common woman give birth to Jesus? If a common woman gave birth to Jesus, then Jesus is a common man. I haven't seen common women give birth to god's lately. Mary is uncommon and unique in the history of women, Because God chose her. Mary is known as the New Eve and is compared to the Ark of the Covenant in which God dwelled. Makes perfect sense.
1tontomato 3 weeks ago
@1tontomato, Mary was blessed but Jesus' blood sacrifice is more important than Mary giving birth to Jesus. the Ark of the Covenant is Jesus. Jesus as the Ark carried our sins to the cross, as the Covenant Jesus agreed with His Father in dying a blood sacrifice for our sins. you give all to Mary and this is wrong, give all to Jesus bcuz He gave all for us on the cross and in His resurrection.
bornagainsaint1 3 weeks ago
I'm not talking about the blood sacrifice of Jesus. This is a subject on Mary that I'm referring to. What you don't seem to understand is the relationship between Mary and Jesus. Mary does not detract from her son Jesus. Just as you or I don't detract from our mothers. It's the opposite. Mary adds to Jesus in the same way that any God fearing Christian adds by glorifying Him, witnessing to His words and spreading the faith to others. Mary gives glory to Jesus as a holy vessel.
1tontomato 3 weeks ago
@1tontomato. the RCC calls Mary the Ark of the Covenant, this title belongs to Jesus, the RCC calls Mary the Immaculate Conception, this title belongs to Jesus. the RCC calls Mary the all holy one, this title belongs to Jesus, the RCC says Mary is the cause of our salvation, no she is not, Jesus is our cause of salvation. the RCC prays 50 times to Mary in the rosary and only 5 times to the heavenly Father. Mary belongs where she belongs, but Jesus is our only hope for peace and joy.
bornagainsaint1 3 weeks ago
Silly Protestants, they love to hate our Catholic Church. They love her so much, they keep violating her with the most absurd thoughts, notions and ideas. The bible is not the authority of the Catholic Church. Books don't rule God's kingdoms, countries or nations. The King rules in a kingdom. The President is the representative of a country. In the same manner, the Pope guides our Catholic Church. Books are not authoritative on their own. Just as Protestants have no authority over Catholicism.
1tontomato 3 weeks ago
@1tontomato. well you just said it, the RCC doesn't really believe what the bible teaches. Sad !!!
bornagainsaint1 3 weeks ago
POPE AND AUTHORITY = Christ gave Pope Peter alone the "keys of the kingdom" (Matt. 16:19) and promised that Peter’s decisions would be binding in heaven. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." Matt. 16:19
Isaiah 22:22 Rev. 3: 7
JESUS SEALED PETER’S AUTHORITY WITH THESE VERSES John 21:15, 16 & 17
Who feed the sheep? THE SHEPHERD - FATHER - PAPA – we now call "POPE”
junmeskie 3 weeks ago
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There were many Catholic Churches in the first three hundred years. Constantine wowed the masses with his charisma. He then left for Asia Minor and built his city there (Constantinople) The European Aristocracy, and their fellow crooks invented a non-scriptual (TRADITION=BULLSHIT STORY) to center Christianity+Catholicism in Rome, Italy as an arm of a temporal power structure.
Peter, the Disciple .. never in Rome, Italy. That's why the roman catholics cite "TRADITION"
dirtbagcatholics 4 weeks ago
@dirtbagcatholics They always cite tradition. e.g. According to tradition...or Tradition tells us.. BUT..
There were many Churches in the first century... Antioch, Alexandria, Ephesus, Jerusalem..etc There were also Disciples who kept close watch on what was said and written.
The roman catholic empire couldn't write into scripture their baloney giving them the god-given right to superiority... so... they use a silly concept TRADITION...
ONCE UPON A TIME=TRADITION=HEY THIS IS NO SHIT!!
dirtbagcatholics 4 weeks ago
Watch this.
Eschatology.
Peter and the Papacy audio (Steve Ray)
MrFamch 1 month ago
Zins seems baffled how Christ can build his Church upon Peter the Rock while remaining the foundation himself. How does Zins understand "the foundation of apostles and prophets" upon the foundation of Christ in Ephesians 2:20?
matthew799701 1 month ago
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Let me make a summary of points shall I? It is Sunday after all, how better to make this day Holy than to educate everyone.
1 - Salvation is not by faith alone, but also by deeds. (James 2:24)
2 - Bible and Catholic Tradition is sufficient for infallible rules of faith for all Christians. (2 Timothy 3:15-17). Sola Scriptura is unbiblical.
3 - Purgatory is upheld by scriptures. (1 Cor 3:10-17)
4 - Papacy is upheld by scriptures. (Matt 16:18)
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@sungmoon1987 First, Salvation is started by faith that lead to works. But works alone don't have any merit. Romans 9 2) Tradition is another word for teaching. Catholic is not the church in 100AD my friend. 3) true 4) Peter's confession if the "rock" Peter died but Jesus confession lives on. Peter trust as Jesus of the Lord build a church not a person. Mary is Jesus Mother- not God's mother in the true sense. Mary was human and sinned. The CC did not exist in 40AD. Not so.
MRGV7373 2 months ago
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@MRGV7373 I dont see the difference between your first point and my first point, except to say that faith and works are both required for salvation. My second point is that the bible alone is not sufficient, for it was'nt put together until the Catholic Church had finished making it, and that no where in the Bible does it say for the Word of God to be 'read', but to be preached, which is through the church.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
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@MRGV7373 Third, Christ said to Peter 'You are the rock and upon this rock I shall build my church and Hell shall not prevail against it." If you look at history in a archaeological sense, you'll find the Peter's tomb is actually below ST. Peter's Square, and from a theological point, the word 'Peter' actually means rock when read in the original Greek (or Aramaic if you prefer) of the Bible. Peter did have faith in Christ as Lord, and as such Christ granted Peter the keys to heaven.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
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@MRGV7373 Your point that you say Mary is the mother of Jesus but not of God is a contradiction. Mary is the mother of Jesus. Jesus is God the Son. It then follows that Mary is the mother of God. But Mary does have a throne higher than God the Father, nor is she worshiped by anyone. But she is honored, as we all must honor thy parents.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@sungmoon1987. purgatory is not in the bible neither is the pope, Jesus is the Rock on which Peter placed his faith. RC tradition is not supported by the bible. Mary was not immaculately conceived, Jesus was. Faith saves us when we put all our trust and faith in Jesus'blood sacrifice. Mary is not the mother of God be careful what you call her. Mary does not pray for us Jesus does. the living bornagain saints pray for each other in Jesus' name, not in Mary's name.
bornagainsaint1 3 weeks ago
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5 - Mary as the Mother of God is upheld by scriptures (Luke 1:43)
6 - Mary's Immaculate Conception is upheld by scriptures (Luke 1:28)
7 - The Catholic Church is required for complete salvation. (Mat 10:22,24:13,Mat 10:38,16:24-25,Mark8:34,Luk9:23,14:27,Mark16:16,Titus3:5,1Peter3:20-21,Acts2:47,James5:16,1John1:9,Mat5:19-20,7:21,Acts11:13-14, 15:7,Hebrews13:7,17.John6:51-58,1Corin10:16,1 Cor11:23-29). The Catholic Church is the only church that fits all requirements listed in scripture.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@sungmoon1987 so your Proofs are very poor and really don't exit. Mary was a special women but common. She is human and all humans sin. Otherwise Mary is God which is false. Mary was human sinned and God saved her just like us. See Act 1-2. By faith Mary believed in Jesus and became born again. The CC is one of many churches that preach Jesus as Lord and Christ. Only thing a person needs is to trust and act on faith with Jesus to be saved. John 3. The RCC is not needed for salvation
MRGV7373 2 months ago
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@MRGV7373 I do not wish to prove anything, but to speak the truth. "Hail Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee." (Luke 1:28 This is the angel Gabriel speaking to Mary, he uses the word 'grace' which means in a biblical sense, 'without sin', and angels always speak on behalf of God. Further reading can be found in Luke 1:41-48, where Elizabeth calls Mary "the mother of our Lord."
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
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@MRGV7373 Mary was no human just like all of us, the angel of our Lord called her "full of grace" and no where in the Bible does it show that she was baptized, why? Because she was already with Christ, as his mother, and she was already without sin.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
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@MRGV7373 Let us not forget, Christ was also human. But he was born sinless.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
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@MRGV7373 I am sure that most non-catholics would be more accepting of the Catholic Church if we just stopped saying that we were the only 1 Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, indeed, all protestant sects and non-denominational churches are all accepting of each other because they say they are equals. Unfortunately, Christ said to Peter "You are Peter.....I shall build my Church" (singular), he never said 'churches' in the plural.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
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sungmoon1987 2 months ago
This is where the Son of God who is a jew quotes Moses in Deut 8:3
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
even Jesus said
--Matt 7:12 Therefore all things, whatever you desire that men should do to you, do even so to them; for this is the Law and the Prophets.
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and the catholics make badd prophets
ForLawAndProphets 4 months ago
this is rubbish
The words of God in 'christianity' is the Lord JESUS
to us non-jewish civilians the words of A TRUE GOD matter alone
Luke 8:21 And He answered and said to them, My mother and My brothers are those who hear the Word of God and do it.
Luke 11:28 But He said, No; rather, blessed are they who hear the Word of God and keep it.
ForLawAndProphets 4 months ago
CATHOLICS WIN THIS DEBATE !!!
JDNWF66 4 months ago
Robert Sungenis gives a SLAM DUNK !!!!!!!!!
JDNWF66 4 months ago
The Catholic Debaters are excellent!! They are simply quoting The Early Church.. What else is there left? The Catholic Church is The One True Apostolic Church!
JDNWF66 4 months ago
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Did you know that Jesus gave his own name to Peter because he was commissioned to lead the Church in his absence? "And the Rock was Christ" (1Cor 10:4). "And I tell you, you are Rock and upon this Rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matt 16 :18)
Now that is an endorsement.
TheChurchAuthentic 5 months ago
No where in the bible does it tell us that we are saved 'ALONE' by faith. Tell your wife that your love her, and dont show any works or action, let's see how long that marriage lasts. So how do you expect it work for God? Let's use our common sense and stop being so damn lazy that we can't show God we love him by doing good works.
sungmoon1987 7 months ago
@sungmoon1987 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8,9 Works come after salvation. Works before salvation are called filthy rags in the Bible.
This is what you need.
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2Corinthians 5:17
BereanBeacon1 7 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 Good works play no part in our salvation? I dont think so. What we believe, is shown through our action. Faith alone, is not stated in the bible. In fact, Saint Paul said "If I have faith enough to move mountains without love, I am nothing." Saint Paul said, "Faith without works is dead". He also said, "Show me your faith without works, and I will show the works that underline my faith." I won't quote you the scripture paragraphs, you seem to know them already.
sungmoon1987 7 months ago
@sungmoon1987 Hey humanoid!! Do you have "AGAPE LOVE" or the love of yourself, your body and your pope' with it the "mother earth" and what not! What straw hat's arguments you are presenting here; it makes you such a DUMB fella! Do you really believe that YOU papists have so MUCH love that it overshadows faith?? I don't believe you ever have an ounce of agape love! How could you?? As long as you are a papist, you'll NEVER EVER know what AGAPE LOVE is. You're under the CURSE of your religion!!
mariastephen62 6 months ago
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sungmoon1987 2 months ago
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@mariastephen62 I had been a Protestant Evangelist/Presbyterian for 23 years (and quite a staunch anti-catholic too), but changed to Roman Catholocism 1 year ago after vising France and Italy. I then ACTUALLY researched Catholocism, and found there to be very strong and sound theological standing for EVERYTHING the Catholic church does. I now receive Holy Communion kneeling and on the tongue and sit in the front pew during Mass. I am very happy.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@mariastephen62 I don't know much about 'mother earth' or whether the term has any standing at all, but I do know that the Earth was created by God. We should take care of it as such. Perhaps I am a Papist (prefer Roman Catholic as the correct term despite it to be a contradiction on itself, Roman = Rome, Catholic = Universal), but it was Christ who instituted the papacy. You may find such relevant scriptures in the followuing replies.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@sungmoon1987 AND DON'T YOU KNOW WHY ALL PAPISTS ARE UNDER THE CURSE OF ROMAN CATHOLICISM AND THE DEMON NAMED "QUEEN OF HEAVEN"??? O! HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE...HOW CAN PAPISTS KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT YAHWEH'S LOVE WHEN YOUR RELIGIOUS CULT IS SO FILLED WITH CURSES TO FOLLOWERS OF JESUS CHRIST!! YOU MUST BE WONDERING WHAT ON GOD'S EARTH I AM TALKING ABOUT. YOUR IGNORANCE OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT PROVES THAT YOU KNOW VERY LITTLE OF THE AMOUNT OF HATE ROMAN CATHOLICISM HAS FOR US FOR 100s OF YEARS!!
mariastephen62 6 months ago
@mariastephen62 The reason why I don't reply to you quickly, and so it may seem that I'm ignoring you, is because your statements are totally wrong. If you have a statement to make, back it up with either some bible verse, historical precedence, or something other than the ideas in your mind.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@sungmoon1987 SHOW ME WHAT MANNER OF LOVE THAT THE PAPIST RELIGION HAS BEEN CUDDLING AND PAMPERING FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS SINCE THE REFORMATION ERA WHEN THESE EVIL POPES HAVE BEEN NURTURING THE "PROTESTANT CURSE" THAT SPEAKS UNSPEAKABLE LANGUAGES!! SO, MR. SUNG MYUN MOON... (WHOEVER YOU ARE...), DON'T TELL US BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS THE MEANING OF THE THE "AGAPE LOVE" OF WHICH LOVE THE LIKES OF YOU SHALL NEVER KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT UNLESS YOU SHALL RENOUNCE AND DENOUNCE THE PAPIST "PROTESTANT CURSE".
mariastephen62 6 months ago
@mariastephen62 Frankly I don't care much for your arguments, but since today is Sunday it is indeed a very fitting day to make this reply. (I'll offer it up to God as penance). First, you should stop using the CAPS LOCK, because it makes you seem un-agape like, and all your cursing is very irritating.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@mariastephen62 The Papacy is supported by Holy Scriptures. Please look at Matt 16:17-19, Matt 16:17-19, 17:24-27, 1 Peter 5:13, 2 Peter 1:16-21, Gal 1:18, Acts 9:20, Acts 13:2 Acts 15:7-11, Luke 24:33, Mark 1:36, Luke 9:28,32, Acts 2:37, 5:29, 1 Cor 9:5, and I can go on and on. Put them all together, you get the Papacy.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@sungmoon1987 MR. SUNG MOON OR "LAGU BULAN". JUST HOW DO YOU INTERPRET THE BIBLE VERSE THAT SAYS: "WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION"?????? DOES IT MEAN: "FIND YOUR OWN WAY TO PARADISE"?? OR, DO LOTS AND LOTS OF GOOD WORKS SO THAT THE GOOD WORKS THAT YOU DO OUTWEIGHS THE BAD WORKS DONE AND BY HOOK OR BY CROOK, YOU SHALL ESCAPE HELL OR AT LEAST FIND YOUR WAY TO MYTHICAL / FABLED "PURGATORY"?? MANA ADA PURAGTORY OHHH!! WITH "AGAPE LOVE" I SERIOUSLY URGE YOU TO READ THE BIBLE - NOT THE FAKE CATECHISM.
mariastephen62 6 months ago
@mariastephen62 What fake catechism do you think he read? That's a shame if he did, but the sad part is you're fake too.
SANxJONERO 5 months ago
@mariastephen62 There is only 1 Catechism of the Catholic Church, hence there being no fake available. Purgatory is supported by Holy Scriptures, check out 1 Co 3:10-17, Rev 21:27, Matt 5:22, Luke 12:58-59 and Mat 5:25-26, Hebrews 12:22-23, Hebrews 12:6-11, Matt 12:32, 1 Peter 3:18-19, 4:6, 2 Maccabees 12:43-45, John 5:14-17. I'm not usually a person to quote scripture, it's not very Catholic of me to do that haha, but you're way out of your mind theologically and need salvation.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@sungmoon1987 YOU ARE READING THE BIBLE OUT OF CONTEXT. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT GENUINE CHRISTIANS DON'T DO WORKS FOR YAHWEH?? WHAT ON EARTH MADE YOU SAY THAT?? HAVE YOU KNOWN A GENUINELY BORN AGAIN FOLLOWERS OF YESHUA HAMASHIACH WHO EATS AND THEN SLEEPS THE WHOLE DAY LIKE A PIG / SWINE?? DOES PASTOR PAUL WASHER WORK FOR GOD OR FOR SATAN? WHAT DOES HE DO DAILY? ARE YOU SAYING THAT DOING GOOD WORKS IS MERELY DOING CHARITY?? O MAN!! ANOTHER UNREGENERATE ATTEMPTING TO TEACH AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS!
mariastephen62 6 months ago
@mariastephen62 I dont know who that man is, but is he Catholic? Unfortunately, my statements remains true. Only Catholics go to heaven because we are part of the 1 Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church instituted by Christ. The rest of humanity is left to the mercy of God, and purgatory will be a very good thing for a person like you.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
Respond to this video... DIDN'T ANYONE IN YOUR SO-CALLED THE TRUEST AND THE MOST GENUINE RELIGION IN THE WHOLE WORLD TELL YOU THAT PREACHING THE GOSPEL TRUTH TO INFIDELS AND THE UNCONVERTED REPRESENT THE SUPREME WORKS ACCEPTABLE TO YAHWEH?? OR TO THE PAPISTS, GOOD WORKS MEAN WORSHIPING THE POPE, THE RELICS (BONES), SERVING AND BOWING DOWN TO THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN AND PRETENDING TO LOVE THE POOR BY DOING CHARITY? IS THAT ALL YOU PAPISTS KNOW ABOUT LOVE? THAT'S NOT GENUINE LOVE! KNOW "AGAPE LOVE"!!
mariastephen62 6 months ago
@mariastephen62 5th Commandment, "Honor thy mother and thy father." Who is mother of Christ? Mary. Therefore? We should honor her. We are to preach the gospel to all corners of the Earth, without prejudice to their sins or their past, all people have the right to hear God's word.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 AMEN!!!!!! TO THAT DEAR BROTHER. LET THEIR BE A MOUNTAIN OF AGAPE LOVE IN US. THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT RESIDE WITHIN OUR HEARTS - HIS KINGDOM IS IN OUR HEARTS - ENSURES THAT ALL OTHER FORMS OF HYPOCRITICAL LOVE WILL HAVE NO PLACE IN OUR HEARTS! THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NOT TOLERATE A "SPIRITUAL MALIGNANT GROWTH"TO FLOURISH WITHIN US. WE HAVE THE SPIRIT OF DISCERNMENT UNLIKE THE IGNORANT, SPIRT-FILLED ARROGANT PAPISTS. THEY THINK THEY HAVE "LOTS OF LOVE" BUT THAT'S NOT "AGAPE LOVE".
mariastephen62 6 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 I will quote only 1 scripture for you, James 2:24 "You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone." This should be enough for you, but if you require more, I suggest reading the entire chapter 2 of the book of James. God always reiterates important points.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
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@sungmoon1987 You cannot understand because you are spiritually dead and love darkness.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1Corinthians 2:14
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. John 3:19
BereanBeacon1 7 months ago
@sungmoon1987 Are you the lunatic Sun Myung Moon?? Sounds like bah!! What a "DIRT" cheap analogy! You are so naive! Incredibly naive I must say for an ignorant fella. Oh man!! Read ALL the books / epistles of the Bible; don't just obey your hell-bound papist priests and bishops which part of the Bible you can read. You say you have your own will or are you secretly a "calvinist papist" btw??? Only a nincompoop would say that it is wrong and anathemic to read the Bible on our own. GROW up man!!
mariastephen62 6 months ago
@mariastephen62 I do read all the books of the bible, it was the Catholic Church that wrote the New Testament and it was the protestant faith that wanted to take out the Book of James because of it's very Catholic teachings.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@mariastephen62 I see that you're not a very nice Christian because you enjoy making fun of people's names (Sung-moon is my name, and it is the korean translation of a biblical name 'Peter', have you heard that name before 'Peter'?).
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@sungmoon1987 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8,9 Works come after salvation. Works before salvation are called filthy rags in the Bible. But again, because you have resigned yourself to be the salve of the Romish religious cult and your god called the pope and your mother named the Queen of Heaven, you will NEVER be set FREE and enter through that strait way and narrow gate- NEVER!!!
mariastephen62 6 months ago
@mariastephen62 Ah salvation I see. Actually to have a complete picture, never take only 1 scripture reading. God always supports his Holy Scriptures by repitition. James 2:24 "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone). James 2:14-26, Galatians 5:6, Ephesians 3:!7, 1 Thess 3:6, 2 Thess 1:3, 1 John 3:23, Rev 2:4-5, and the importance of works with faith, Luk5:46,Mat7:21,Mat19:16-21, Jam2:19,1 John 2:3-4,1Cor9:25-27,Heb10:26-27,2Cor5:10,Rom2:6-10,13.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@mariastephen62 There's more, but I'm not sure if you're going to bother to actually read those scriptures, but if you need more, I've got them.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@sungmoon1987 What to do to be saved then? Only faith? No, the devil believes in God too. Mat 10:22,24:13,Mat 10:38,16:24-25,Mark8:34,Luk9:23,14:27,Mark16:16,Titus3:5,1Peter3:20-21,Acts2:47,James5:16,1John1:9,Mat5:19-20,7:21,Acts11:13-14, 15:7,Hebrews13:7,17.John6:51-58,1Corin10:16,1 Cor11:23-29. The Catholic Church is the ONLY church that meets all these requirements to being saved.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
Before Jesus ascended into heaven,he told his disciples make more disciples.Matthew 28:19,20,Go therefore and make disciples of peoples of all the nations,baptizing them in the name of the Father and...teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU.And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.Acts 1:8,and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerulaslem....and to the most distant part of the earth. Jesus preached, JW's preach-Jesus' disciples.
eternityandforever 9 months ago
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Romans 10:13-15,..".everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved. ...how will they call on him in whom they have not put faith?How...will they put faith in him of whom they have not heard? How...will they hear with-out someone to preach?" We must PROVE our faith by following this commission. James 2:26- "Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead,so also faith without works is dead". James 2:18,"You have faith,and I have works...,and I shall show you my faith by my works."JW's work.
eternityandforever 9 months ago
@shamounian Reformed Protestants (particularly) believe the Bible to be teaching that God has prepared good works for his elect to do from before the foundation of the world. These are not meritorious works, however, but are designed to help the individual believer fulfill God's will for his life in obedience as is appropriate for an adopted child of the King. Works are the "outworking" of belief (faith), and in that sense, prove his claim to faith to himself in his heart and to the Church.
Pilgrimsarbour 9 months ago
@Pilgrimsarbour That's actually a very good way of expressing faith, through our works.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
no, faith alone can save it is good works that vindicates the perseption of rue faith, romans 10:9 if you confess Jesus is Lord and God raised him from the dead you are saved, that is the truth, and faith is not the true faith if not vindicated through works, the faith is the salvation and the fruit is good works
christian333faith 10 months ago
@christian333faith That's politically correct, but theological it's very wrong. To say that only an announcement of faith is required is to say that all Christian denominations will go to heaven and sit at the table of our Lord, where no doubt we'll all still be fighting over who is a real Christian and who is not. Theologically wrong. Salvation has it's requirements meticulously written in the scriptures.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@sungmoon1987 And I can give you the scriptures readings if you so desire to read through them.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
The early church did a great job, led by the HS. Peter did much guided by the HS. I think that God wants the HS to guide us all. One person is not to lead the church. One God should guide the church. Peter is a rock, not THE rock. No one MAN is the final rock. Jesus is the rock. The one quote is from Peter, And Simon Peter answered and said," Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." Is not this the confession of all believers that makes us Church and Christian??
MRGV7373 11 months ago
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@MRGV7373 That 'confession' is not enough, mainly because by your words, all Jews would go to heaven (who don't believe Christ has come yet, but they believe in him coming), all different protestant sects would go to heaven (despite some of them dont believe in baptism, sacraments, Mary etc). Christ did not use the words "THE" rock, but something very interesting occurs with the original Bible text.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@sungmoon1987 The original New Testament Bible was written in Greek, and the Greek word for Peter is 'Petrus', and the Greek word for Rock is 'Petram'. So if we translated the scripture literally, it would be "You are rocky, and upon this rock I will build my church." Hence, Peter is THE rock. And as many know, Mathew had written his gospel so that it would be easy for all to understand, hence, the literalness.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
Faith will lead to works. The works are proof that the faith is active and working. Faith alone with no works means that the faith is not active and mere belief that Jesus is the Christ. Even Satan believe that Jesus is God's Son, but he has no works that show he is following Jesus. Believe must lead to works of love of neighbor. Faiths outcomes will be Christ 's behaviors. If no behaviors change, faith must not be at work. Active faith will have works.
MRGV7373 11 months ago
If all the apostles died in a car crash the day after Jesus rose from the dead, would not the church still be with us?? Why, due to the belief by humans " that Jesus is God's Son and is the Christ." The confession by Peter is the key the Church. Peter has the keys to open and close in ACT 1-15. Peter's rock is his confession of Jesus. The confession is the rock of all Christian churches. Peter is a human that has faith in God. Great Man, and a good leader.
MRGV7373 11 months ago
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@MRGV7373 Who are the many? Who are few?
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:13-15
BereanBeacon1 11 months ago
I often find it interesting that protestants seem to have to discount their opponents in order to make themselves right,rather than just preach.It's like if you can put down the opposition,then you can prove your point.notice,the opposition does 't have to even mention other beliefs,we just believe!! cathy
CathyALuce 11 months ago
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@CathyALuce Cathy, who are the many? Who are few?
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:13-15
BereanBeacon1 11 months ago
Catholic Church, holds the Complete Truth--
mjmenjivar 1 year ago
@mjmenjivar Jesus said:
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:13-15 Who are the few? Saved by faith alone. Who are the many? All such religions as yours.
BereanBeacon1 1 year ago
@BereanBeacon1
Why those passages doesn't apply to you my friend ??
Give me the passage that says "saved by faith alone" and I will give you one that says "we are not save by faith alone"
Do we have a deal??
mjmenjivar 1 year ago
@mjmenjivar In your Bible: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8,9. and I know the verse you will use. Romans 10:9,10,13 no works. No works in the book of Acts, so will need to send a book of the Bible on "works" salvation. Romans 5:15- 18, gift 3 times, free gift 3 times. You need the narrow way Jesus spoke of in Matthew 7:13-15, because all else is the broad way.
BereanBeacon1 1 year ago
@BereanBeaco
1.) I don´t see in there "Faith Alone" so, when you find the passage, send it please.
2.) Those works comdemned in those passages you quoted, are "works of debt" or what Paul calls "works of the law" of Moses (old covenant). But the works that JESUS and Paul exhorts us to do, are works of LOVE, just as Jesus told us "If you LOVE me, you will KEEP my comandments, HE who KEEP my comandments is He who LOVES me"
3.) I DON´T DENY being save by Faith, I DENY being save by faith "ALONE"
mjmenjivar 1 year ago
@mjmenjivar Repeat, In your Bible: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. "Saved by faith", "not of works". Works come after salvation as a result of the love for Jesus Christ. Works to obtain salvation is impossible as all religions have their own invented "works". Read the book of Romans and find out where the law comes in. Read Galatians where the law will not work.
BereanBeacon1 1 year ago
@mjmenjivar 8,000 orthodox Jews were converted in Acts 2 and 4 by faith. Saved then baptized. The Jews knew all about works through the OT, so why would just change for another set of works. There was great joy to be have the burden of works lifted from them. I and others have the same salvation as those Jews 2,000 years later. You can have that joy as well. In God will I praise his word: in the Lord will I praise his word. Psalm 56:10
BereanBeacon1 1 year ago
@BereanBea
I said: YES we are save by Faith. Thats the Teaching from the Bible, the Church, and Tradition. But we are NOT save "by faith ALONE" that´s the teaching of the Bible, the Church and Tradition
I repeat, those "works" comdemned in the verses you quoted, are "works of debt" or "works of the law" (old covenant) those jews you mentioned were converted in Acts 2 and 4 were preaching the OLD cocenant "save by works of the law"
I think you are confusing "Grace Alone" with "faith Alone"
mjmenjivar 1 year ago 10
@mjmenjivar Since you mentioned "grace alone" can you quote a verse which says we are saved by grace alone or only by grace? And can you address 3:3-7 where it says we are not saved by deeds of righteousness with no reference to either debt or the old covenant? Thank you.
shamounian 11 months ago
@mjmenjvar BTW, 3:3-7 should have been Titus 3:3-7.
shamounian 11 months ago
@shamounian
I´ll give you the text when you give me the on which says "we are save by faith ALONE" Deal?
On Titus 3, I will accept the explanation u can give me and the conclution will be; we are Save by the grace of God, because of HIS Love. Titul 3:8 "teaching all this, so that those who now believe in God may keep their minds constantly occupied in DOING GOOD WORKS. All this IS GOOD, and USEFUL for everybody"
It is about how Jews were save at THAT moment and how the NEW covenant saves us
mjmenjivar 11 months ago
Thanks for proving your inconsistency and dishonesty. You demand of others what you yourself cannot supply in support of your own position. Titus 3:8 DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR CASE since Paul has already demonstrated that good works do not merit salvation, justification, regeneration etc. So let me ask you again. are we justified by grace of God ALONE because of his love? When you answer I will proceed to further expose you.
And you are sadly mistaken since the text is not about the Jews
shamounian 11 months ago
@shamounian
With all respect my friend, I think you havent see my point. The point and diference between you and me is that I DON"T base my faith in "sola scriptura" and you yes, base it there. So, if you prove me that that's what I have to do, I will become protestant,,, even tough I have ALL Bible support for Christian Catholic Faith.
And the answer is YES, we are save by Grace Alone, trou faith and Works,,, that's what the council of trent says, and that's what the Bible says.
mjmenjivar 11 months ago
@mjmenjivar
The problem you will encounter is that your Protestant counterparts will set up parametres which are foreign to your view of Christianity. You mention it well in their appeal to sola scriptura. The fact that John (anonymous!) mentions he never recorded all of what Jesus transmitted is not only shocking but it is also evidence against sola scriptura.
Think about it, if there was UNRECORDED Jesus related material out there any appeal to sola scriptura falls on its face!
Peace
YahyaSnow 11 months ago
Here is the cowardly Muslim who repeatedly exposes his theological and logical illiteracy. Yahya, will you ever prove to be man enough to debate me so I can expose your ignorance of Sola Scriptura, along with your ignorance of Islam? I know the answer. Before I expose you here for all to see could you please define what Sola Scriptura IS and ISN'T? From there I will proceed to show you how John actually condemns not only your ignorance but Muhammad as well, showing that he was an antichrist.
shamounian 11 months ago
@shamounian
Sam, please stop. I was considering addressing MBI3030 (Antonio) or Bartimus on the blog via a challenge. These are some of your top guys - nobody is afraid.
As for Sola Scriptura. Are you kidding me??? I have just put up a blog article on Exodus - check it out and benefit from the knowledge there in rather than beating your chest.
Perhaps I will put one up about Sola Scripura soon BUT Mr Rogers is due a rebuke, thus he should take priority.
Sam, put your pride aside.
YahyaSnow 11 months ago
@YahyaSnow clown, about time you stop with your stupid circus tricks and answer my question.Now instead of appealing to your garbage which matches the Quran in its stupidity and incoherence, PLEASE DEFINE SOLA SCRIPTURA FOR ME. Now be a good little dog and produce your bite so I can muzzle you.
shamounian 11 months ago
@shamounian
Calm down with your hatred and blasphemy. Even your fellow Christian has accused you of dishonesty over the "sufficient/useful" point.
I am hardly going to educate you on Sola Scriptura in a YT comment thread. If I discuss the topic I shall do so on the blog. I have just rebuked you and your sort over your unscholarly dribble concerning taqiyya.
PS get yourself over to jibreelk's site, he has just made this a mserable Sunday for you. Forget about Sam Shamoun Sundays...
Bye.
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shamounian 11 months ago
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Get yourself over to Keithtruth's page to see what he is going to do to your other dog JibreelK. Tell your twin mutt I am waiting for a formal acceptance or answer to my challenge for him to come on tthe show so I can muzzle him. You have shown that all you have is a bark so we know you won't come on to defend your false prophet and the satanic spirit whom you worship. So keep barking away since that is what dogs like you are known for doing.
shamounian 11 months ago
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Calm down with your barking since you are starting to foam at the mouth as a result of spewing your filth and lies, promoting the religion of an antichrist. You are hardly intelligent enough to debate me on any subject, let alone Sola Scriptura. You keep barking over and over again on your blog, which is why you have become the laughing stock of all of us. if you really thought you were smart and intelligent enough to refute me you would have jumped at the chance to debate a long time ago.
shamounian 11 months ago
@shamounian Sola Scripture refers to the Bible alone as the only, self authenticating,and final authority of Christian doctrine. Sola Scriptura or Bible Alone is illogical, unhistorical, inconsistent and unbiblical. We know this because it was the Catholic Church that put a collection of books together to form the New Testament. It is sufficent to say that the Bible is a Catholic book.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@shamounian It took 400 years for the Catholic Church to put the complete collection of books together to form the NT, and a further 1000 years for a printing press to be invented. Together with the councils of carthage, trent, nicaea, florence and hippo and ratifications, all Christians had the same Bible.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@shamounian When the reformation came along, Martin Luther wanted to get rid of James, Hebrews, 2 Peter, and Revelations. James 2:21-26 was almost removed, or possible removed, because it refutes the protestant idea that salvation is through faith alone, when in fact it says just the opposite.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
Nice way of evading the issue! Let me answer your challenge. Can you please list an article of faith and a good work which all true believers must affirm and do which are not mentioned in the Holy Scriptures? Once you answer the question I will proceed to show you the error of your ways.
shamounian 11 months ago
@shamounian
Of course, here is one.
1.) The list of the 27 letters of the New testament are inspired word of God. You believe it right?
Blesses my Friend
mjmenjivar 11 months ago
@mjmenjivar you are about to destroy the credibility of your apostate church. Before I proceed to show you I want to make sure that this is your final answer. You sure this is your answer?
shamounian 11 months ago
@shamounian
you are funny trying to intimidate me Don't worry, you don't.
You keep telling me the same u see?
You know what? I will continue if you give me the text that list the 27 letters of the New Testament and the one that teaches "sola scriptura" because I gave you the answer,and u just wait for a mistake from me,otherwise, bye bye
And, you are PROTESTANT, because you are NOT Catholic... like it or not
You are NOT Christian, because WE Christians DO NOT protest Jesus's decitions.
mjmenjivar 11 months ago
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Let's see who will be laughing now. Here is a text which I would like you to comment on: "and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, WHICH ARE ABLE TO MAKE YOU WISE FOR SALVATION through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for EVERY good work." 2 Timothy 3:15-17
See next post.
shamounian 11 months ago
Since Paul says the Scriptures are able to give you the wisdom of knowing how to be saved and since the Svriptures are capable of equipping the man of God for EVERY - not just some, not just many, but EVERY - good work, you pretty much disagree with Paul and proved that he was mistaken. After all if the canon of the NT is a an article of faith or good work that I must know then this means that Paul was wrong about the Scriptures equipping us for EVERY good work since the canon is not mentioned.
shamounian 11 months ago
Therefore, you have managed to destroy one of the pillars which your apostate Church says is an essential and necessary component of the Romish faith, namely, Sacred Scripture. Moreover, since you believe your apostate church canonized 2 Timothy this means that they included a book which is mistaken within the canon of God's inspired, inerrant Word. Thus, your church cannot be infallible if it included a fallible book within the canon which is supposed to only contain a list of infallible books.
shamounian 11 months ago
Great job of both exposing and destroying the credibility of your apostate church. however, I thought you were supposed to be defending the lies of Rome, not helping to destroy them? You sure you are not a a Protestant in disguise?
shamounian 11 months ago
@shamounian
1.) 2Tim3:16 says "all scripture is USEFUL",, of course it is.... but "useful" means "only" ? noup.
1.) 2Tim 3:16 PAUL refers to the OLD TESTAMENT. not the New, I´m asking for the NEW Testament. sorry
So, where does the scripture says or mention that "the list of the 27 letters of the NEW Testament are inspired"?
Where does the scripture teaches "SOLA scriptura"? Scripture is USEFUL DOESN¨T teach "SOLA scriptura" so, don´t fool yourself
Still waiting my friend
Blesses
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shamounian 11 months ago
Stop acting stupid and stop attacking strawman. The verses say that Scripture is useful TO EQUIP THE MAN OF GOD FOR EVERY GOOD WORK. So I am not going to let you squirm your way out of this one. If this Scripture is sufficient or useful for informing the man of God for EVERY - not some, not many, but EVERY- good work then either you and your church are liars or Paul was wrong. You claimed that knowing the canon is a good work which the Scripture does not mention. See next post.
shamounian 11 months ago
This means you are either forced to admit your argument is pathetic or Paul is wrong. However, if Paul is wrong then so is your apostate church which you claim gave you the canon which includes 2 Timothy, a letter which you have shown is mistaken. Second, Paul IS NOT REFERRING JUST TO THE OT BUT TO ALL THE SCRIPTURE THAT TIMOTHY WOULD HAVE KNOWN FROM CHILDHOOD TILL THE TIME OF PAUL'S WRITING 2 TIMOTHY. Read 1 Timothy 5:18 where Paul quotes Luke 10:7 and calls it Scripture along with Deut. 25:4.
shamounian 11 months ago
Finally, even if 2 Timothy were referring to the OT THIS STILL WOULD EXPOSE YOU AS A LIAR. If the OT was sufficient to equip the man of God for EVERY good work THEN HOW MUCH MORE SUFFICIENT IS THE BIBLE NOW THAT WE ALSO HAVE THE NT BOOKS? That means it must be SUPER-SUFFICIENT to make a person wise for salvation and for equipping the man of God for EVERY GOOD WORK. So, once again, if you are right that the canon is a good work that a person mus know then Paul is wrong. See next post.
shamounian 11 months ago
If Paul is wrong then your church is corrupt since, according to you, it canonized a book which is in error. However, we know Paul is not wrong. Therefore, both you and your apostate church are wrong, since this text does teach sola scriptura by affirming that Scripture is thoroughly sufficient in enabling a person to know how to get saved through faith in Jesus Christ and for equipping him to do EVERY good work necessary to please God and to live a holy life. Read it and weep.
shamounian 11 months ago
@shamounian
You are being "rethoric" my friend.. anyone can do that.
Paul is NOT wrogn, the Church affirms it
You CHANGED the word Paul used from "USEFUL" to "sufficient" so, who is corrupting scripture my friend? Why you need to change "words" just to make your point valid?
Since that text does not say what you said (sufficient) (you changed the word) then, you are liying to me and yourself
Because I am pacience, I will continue wating for the "sola scriptura" and the 27 letters text
mjmenjivar 11 months ago
Listen, stop playing your stupid games and address the issues. But you know you can't, just like your apostate church can't defend it's lies. Let me repeat the point one more time, this time in all caps so you can get it. MY POINT DOESN'T HINGE ON THE WORD SUFFICIENT. MY POINT HINGES ON PAUL'S CLEAR AND EXPLICIT STATEMENT THAT THE SCRIPTURE IS USEFUL FOR EQUIPPING THE MAN OF GOD FOR EVERY GOOD WORK. See next post.
shamounian 11 months ago
Let me put this in the form of a question so I can further help you get the point. WHAT DOES PAUL SAY THE SCRIPTURE IS USEFUL? PAUL SAYS IT IS USEFUL FOR EQUIPPING THE MAN OF GOD FOR EVERY GOOD WORK. Therefore, if there is a good work which is not in Scripture that the man of God must do then this means Paul is wrong. This is your position. Your appeal to the canon proves that Paul is wrong and therefore your apostate church is wrong for canonizing this letter. Hopefully, you got the point now.
shamounian 11 months ago
@shamounian
My friend, you need to be hones w/Bible
Look, you are doing this with 2Tim 3:16 "All scripture is inspired by God and (----BLANK----) for refuting error, for guiding people's lives and teaching them to be upright"
You left the text in "blank", so your word "sufficient" can fix there.right?
But, unfurtunally for you, there is NOT blank space in there. It says it is "USEFUL" and of course the scripture is useful to do all that
So, where is the text saying "sufficient" as you said?
mjmenjivar 11 months ago
@shamounian
So, if you think 2Tim 3:16 is teaching "sola scriptura" you have a big problem... ANY person sees, even in the protestants (your brothers and sisters), says that text is NOT teaching "sola scriptura"
And my frien, of course, I agreed that ALL SCRIPTURE is USEFUL "for refuting error, for guiding... every good work (upright)" of course it is USEFUL,, that I USE it (useful)
But, USEFUl DOESN¨T mean "SUFFICIENT or ONLY.. go read the dictionary
So, Paul is right, the Church is right
mjmenjivar 11 months ago
@shamounian Numerous times we read that faith alone is not sufficient. Read the entire 2nd Chapter of the Book of James. Faith alone is just as good as the devil, he believes in God too, and look where he is. Faith and deeds is required.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@shamounian
ujummm yes..
Look,,, you said "If this Scripture is sufficient" "sufficient" equal "useful" ??? jeje,, please, be honest with THE WORD OF GOD,
Of course it is USEFUL,, but it doesn´t says it is "sufficient" as you mentioned,, you are adding words to the scripture,,,
So, if you are going to prove "sola scriptura" that´s NOT the text,,, bring another one.
And still waiting for the other text mentioning the 27 letters
Let´s get expose my friend
Blesses
mjmenjivar 11 months ago
@shamounian Apostolic, not apostate. They are different words with different meanings.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@shamounian
and in fact, what i am proving to you protestants is YOUR inconsistency as you said: "You demand of others what you yourself cannot supply in support of your own position" because you base it all in "sola scriptura" still you CAN"T give the verse in the Bible that teaches "sola scriptura"...or any apostle, or father of the Church that mentioned o teach it.. or ANY person prior the 15th century... you can;t give it,,,, so, You are getting the point,, YOUR PROTESTANT INCONCISTENCY
mjmenjivar 11 months ago
@mjmenjivar WHAT!!!??? Define what is SOLA FIDE and SOLA GRATIA!! These 2 SOLAS are ALIENS to the papists!! Why are you talking about GRACE ALONE and FAITH ALONE when your hatred for these 2 doctrines of Christianity knows NO bounds!! BTW, there are at least 2 more SOLAS - "SOLA SCRIPTURA" and "SOLA CHRISTO"! Sadly though, papists DENY all the 4 SOLAS of the Scriptures / Christianity and that's why papists will NEVER be Born AGAIN unless they RENOUNCE and DENOUNCE first the "Protestant Curse"!!
mariastephen62 6 months ago
@mariastephen62
Sadly u condemned the Popes and forgot that the first Pope, Peter,denied Jesus 3 times and Jesus himself called him "satan" but Jesus DIDN¨T condemned him,but ask him to "rule the sheeps"
I don´t have to define it, u can read the Church documents if u want a definition
Show me where in th Bible is mentioned and tought "FAITH ALONE" "SCIPTURE ALONE". I you prove it in your own Biblie, I will make my own Church leaving the Catholic, promise. ("ALONE" is what you have to prove)
mjmenjivar 6 months ago
Sungenis' close was very sad and desperate. It was basically. "Look how bad Martin Luther was! The church must be right!"
patrckhh20 1 year ago
Why keep ROMAN SUN CULT DAY ?
No authority for Sunday except ROME's !
FKTHPOPE 1 year ago
Coupled with Richard bennetts presentation, there can be no doubt to the truth here.
Peter was not given primacy by Christ.
and the pope is not the legitimate successor to Peter.
FACT
I pray many catholics get to see this and without prejudice listen.
jamesglory1 1 year ago
@jamesglory1 you're not really listening or you are already listening with prejudice in your heart james because it is more clear to me that Peter was really endowed by Christ with such primacy, biblically and historically. I suggest you listen again and you will see the real TRUTH not the lie that you have embraced.
johnizack07 11 months ago
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jamesglory1 1 year ago
I wish more people would see this video, especially Roman catholics, i am a former catholic and these people so need our prayers and to be delivered from false teachings and heresies, thanks for posting this, may Jesus our Lord bless you, I also wish it was all translated in French for the province of Quebec in Canada, we so need this here, please pray for more workers in this field here, thanks
Serge1965 1 year ago 6
Hello, Serge,
Christian Answers always welcomes inquiries and requests. Why don't you write them at cdebater @ aol (dot) com, (no spaces, please), and request a transcript of this and any other video, and upload it yourself, perhaps.
I pray you are able to work toward this end!
May God bless you!
RainhadoCanto10 1 year ago
Many thanks RainadoCanto10, Jesus bless you
Serge
Serge1965 1 year ago
@Serge1965
Brother highlighting holes within Catholicism is one thing but to promote the Protestant view as the truth is a totally different kettle of fish.
We must focus on the contradictions within the Bible and the other problematic passages within the Bible (ie Numbers 1:20-46). The fact the Bible is errant should be a stimulus for further rethinking. Simply rethinking Catholicism is insufficient.
Peace and love
YahyaSnow 11 months ago
@YahyaSnow Who said i was a protestant my friend? I am neither catholic nor protestant, i belong to Christ, i am a Christian. And instead on focussing on the contradictiions that are inexistant in the Bible if we know the Bible in its Full Counsel, and having read it in Context, we could then focus on Christ as the Bible, in my 4 years of intensive study, has proven time and time again to be acurate, for that passage, i arrive at exactly 603550 with the calculator, just as said btw, Jesus bless
Serge1965 11 months ago
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shamounian 11 months ago
@Serge1965 Hey bro...., I agree 1000% with you on this! I was a nincompoop papist of the worst kind. I hated people like you - it must be because of that "Protestant Curse" pronounced upon all ANTI-POPES or ANTI-PAPIST back then (16th Century). When I became a Born Again Christian I began to love and have compassion toward the papists despite their deep hatred toward me and my loved ones whom I brought out of Roman Catholicism. Obviously, Sung Moon needs our prayer for his SIN deliverance .
mariastephen62 6 months ago
@mariastephen62 Amen!
Serge1965 6 months ago
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SANxJONERO 5 months ago
@mariastephen62 You know what? Maybe that was wrong of me, because I don't know you well enough & I think Jesus would like to see us more united, so obviously you need prayer too.
SANxJONERO 5 months ago
@mariastephen62 I dont hate Protestants. I used to be one. And I used to be really anti-catholic aswell, and how much I regret saying some things to my college mates back in the days. But sufficent to say, I saw in the Roman Catholic church, such a perfection in theology, that it was difficult to ignore. I am now a Roman Catholic.
sungmoon1987 2 months ago
@Serge1965 I don't even have to watch the video. The answer is yes plain & simple,
SANxJONERO 5 months ago
@SANxJONERO Sorry to contradict you my friend but Jesus Christ doesn't need no Vicar (Replacer) on the earth as He is still the Chief of His own Church as it is written: For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. (Ephesians 5:23). Maybe syou should watch the video, i was a roman catholic myself, i no longer belong to any man made religion, i belong to Christ alone
Serge1965 5 months ago
@Serge1965 Well if you're sorry "friend", then don't even post anything! Even tho you don't completely contradict me, because no one ever said Christ wasn't the head of His church. It's just that God is the invisible head & the Pope is the visible head, as in head Bishop. Maybe no one should watch the video? The say time is money, so that would definitely be a waste of it. It's too bad you actually believe God didn't leave us a church & didn't learn were you were supposed to, as a Catholic
SANxJONERO 5 months ago
@SANxJONERO if you started by reading your Bible, you'd understand that the real Church is not a religion led by man but human beings infilled with and led by the Holy Spirit of God since Pentacost in the Book of Acts, Christ did not come to promote a religion started in 325 AD by Emperor Constantine,s mother and if your heart is on money rather than on Jesus know that Christ said to lay up your treasures in Heaven For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.(Mat 6:20-21)
Serge1965 5 months ago
@Serge1965 If I started reading my bible? You think God left the bible for idiots like you to try interpret for me? I don't think so bro. I would look like a fool like you if I acted like I knew all about the bible by myself, just due to the fact I have read it. Looks like you've been doing more than that, cuzz you sound like a crackhead protestant preacher that doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to religion
SANxJONERO 5 months ago
@SANxJONERO WOW , your last post is nothing like Christ, so according to you everyone who reads and understand the Bible is a crackhead and an idiot? And you say you have read it????? Jesus ChrI sure don't know what you read but it sure wasn't the Bible, Jesus said: whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. (Matthew 5:22) I forgive you and strongly recommend you start reading as Jesus
Serge1965 5 months ago
@SANxJONERO also said: It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Matthew 4:4)
Serge1965 5 months ago
@Serge1965 WOW, your post is nothing like Christ either! Why would I say someone who understands the bible is a crackhead? LOL Oh & I have read the bible, but someone as ignorant as you wouldn't understand that.
SANxJONERO 5 months ago