Water Manipulation Motor - the details (2 of 2)

[h2oplasmaplug]

i have been exparimenting with burning water this video might interest you water burning flame which i will tag to this video

[CypherVirus]

The amount of hydrogen created in that short period of time would be negligible, and if you were to pump enough electricity into it to create any significant amount, you would use more energy than you could put out. Without a strong power stroke there will not be enough power in the system to compress the air to 16 atmospheres. The laws of thermodynamics show that this won't work. Yet another "free energy" design.

[derman077]

Coooool! 

[lvildos]

he is mentioning a "vacuum" on cycle 3 but he has said there was compression on cycle 2 to start off with !!

We need a pressure vs. temperature diagram to explain cycle 3

[JavaTheHub]

Whats the use? I cant see anything but a ineffecient electric engine.

[desposyy]

@JavaTheHub this is actually using a combination of heat and an electrical current to create an explosive hydrogen mixture that will explode much like petrole

[kritery]

thanks!

[MrCarbJB]

Like I said if you want to inject water into your engine there are more efficent ways of doing it but from my experience when you get an HHO gen over a 180 degrees you start loosing performance and thats because the water is vaporizing and is taking up some of the displacement where fuel was taking up that space which now is being displaced by the water vapor and inhibits the combustion. Understand now?

[MrCarbJB]

Well I've worked on alot of blown head gaskets and cracked heads that when looking at them makes you wonder how they did so much damage like shoving valve up so high that they are past the seats and mushroomed as well as pistion being mushroomed. And piston shoved out the side of the block. And how hot do you think that conbustion was? And it did not vaporize that water which did all that damage.

[MrCarbJB]

Liquid water does not compress.

[aparodox2003]

i dont think he wants to compress the water but use the heat created by the compressed air and the electric current to seperate the hydrogen from the oxegen in water then use the hydrogen to give the piston the extra push it needs to complete the stroke-to keep things in motion-like a child needs on a swing. could be wronge though

[MrCarbJB]

Ok, until this becomes heated and/or becomes steam it is just water right? Have you ever took an engine apart that has ran water thru it? It would take alot more energy to preheat this to where it would remain steam when it entered the cylinder. And then it would just be am assisted steam engine then wouldn't it?

[hoser4]

Liquid water does not compress. Gaseous water (aka steam) compresses just fine. If it didn't, the lights in your home wouldn't work at all, since your local power utility's steam generators depends exclusively on that principle.

[hoser4]

I believe that the engine, as described, pretty much is an assisted steam engine. Carefully watch cycle 2, where a heater element is used to continue the heating of the already hot air. Then, during expansion, the water injected into the chamber is electrolysized (more electricity!) into H2 and O2 as it passed through its inlet. The idea being, the excessively hot air is used to combust the H2+O2 back into steam.

[hoser4]

That being said, I still don't think this will work. There is a whole lot of valves clattering back and forth, which means friction and the need to oil-lubricate. Timing has to be impeccable. That's a whole lot of effort to go through to just replicate a steam engine. You can get a superior power density using a two cylinder, double-action steam engine instead. Or, better yet, a steam turbine.

[MrCarbJB]

Ok, Hoser4, your last 3 replies noted here in this response, I think it could work if you can control the release to make sure to only release the steam and not the liquid water into the cylinder. Noting that there are more efficient ways to accomplish this and winter seasons would be a problem for operation, factors of which would have to be designed into it.

[aparodox2003]

i still don't understand the confusion...1)The AIR that is compressesed will be very hot-the coils will keep it hot. 2)water is injected due to the temp., vacuum, and the electric charge the H2O will seperate to H2 O2. 3)the hot air is released and ignites the hydrogen giving the push for the piston to 'reset'

[aparodox2003]

The only problem that i can see is that the air going into the chamber would need to be pressurized and controlled- i have little dought as to weather the system can work-i just don't think i would be conventional due to the many factors and variables that could occur.

[MrCarbJB]

George, I don't think this would work.I don't know if you ever seen the inside of an engine that had liquid water run in it but it will push the valves into the head and I've seen it mushroom the top of the piston too.

[stancruse]

I found this video on the web. I'm not suggesting it will work, but I think this guy should be given a chance to build it. He's seeking investors.

[club213542]

very cool hope to see this on the rods soon!