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OMG nearly 3000 people died!!!! we have it so lucky... back then it used to be 10000+ casualties or more per battle... now its down to ALMOST 3000 a war... wtf... does anybody know how many ragheads we have killed?!? probably alot more than 3000... so stop whining
Even ONE death for a war that never should have been is an obscenity and judging by your comment,you haven't any regard for the high standard this great country has for protecting this nation honorably. If left up to those of you who live in fear of evolving into REAL humans, this great nation would be no better than the enemy you believe you are entitled to exterminate. What you consider whining is an echo of your own conscience. You have to live with it......I don't!!
the only reason the government is "concerned" with the people of this country is because we pay taxes.. if mokeys coud pay taxes... they wouldint give a shit about the people... its all about the money
Please check out a song I wrote about an American soldier who survives Vietnam, only to lose his son in Iraq. When you open the video, you can view the lyrics by clicking on "more" to the right of the screen.
You had to POP in a picture of John Paul the Second, didn't ya? What did he do besides pray for peace? THE POPE DOESN'T SUPPORT WAR!!! Catholics don't support war. John Paul II didn't do anything to support it so there is no reason to add the Pope into your almost perfect music video. I liked it until you added that.
I guess you didn't notice who else was in that picture. The meaning behind that picture is that you have a president who professes to celebrate peace and democracy to the world and gets an audience with the Pope! My point was that I found that disgraceful. Bush shouldn't be allowed in the same room with him. Thank you so much for your comment.
He didn't do anything to stop it either, beside sit in the Vatican and say, "no, no, no." If he were a true man of peace JP2 would have gone to Baghdad, sat in the middle of the road praying and saying, "bring it on Shrub."
Shoreline I have a question for you, just so I better understand your point of view. In what situations is war justified? Perhaps you could tell me what past wars you would have supported had you been around then?
The American revolutionary war (for independence) the Civil War (growth of a nation) World War II (defending against an attack) Desert Storm (defending international law)
I'm glad your not one of those nutjobs who thinks war is never justified. But the reasons you gave for the wars you would have supported are interesting. Is the independence of Iraqis worth less than that of Americans? Is the growth and development of Iraq less important than that of the U.S.? Are the Kurds not worth defending? And didn't Saddam violate international law many times after the gulf war?
I don't believe it to be a question about the worthiness of the Iraqi people in contrast to American people. If we as Americans were given that scenerio back in 2003,do you really think we would have committed troops? Look at Somalia. I don't think so. It took WMD rhetoric, a lie, to engage us.
It is a question because THAT IS THE QUESTION I ASKED YOU! Why don't the Iraqis deserve the freedom we have? Why do you support leaving them in slavery? And what "scenario" are you talking about? We DID send troops to Somolia (and our fear of doing it right ended in disaster). As for the WMD "lie" debate. let's save that for another time we've got plenty to talk about already
well, i like war. not that it is good or it is bad. it is what we do, if you want no war than destroy all government and all gods. oops...that might cause a war! hahaha!
You're right! War is a part of humanity. I don't think humans will ever eradicate war but thats another topic. Not knowing the difference when you're caught in a religious war is the real topic now.
why are you more concerned with "bringing the troops home" than in winning and finishing the job? you anti war people dont know shit about being in fight. i dont see why anybody ever even listens to anything any of you say.
Because the antiwar movement is spearheaded by people who hate America and want Iraq to collapse into chaos so The U.S. looks bad. Winning and allowing democracy to flourish would not serve their goals at all.
I totally agree. Now they beat us over the head with our dead and wounded, as if its "proof" its a lost cause. i just cant believe they are as successful as they are in making so much fuckin noise. i mean the media is complicit..you could have a huge pro american rally while five asshole protesters are down the street and the cameras will go to the five assholes. its astonishing to me.
Antiwar activists are,as I have found them,extemely patriotic. It takes a special kind of human being to know where and when to fight. Its a discipline that comes from the cleaner part of the human spirit. The rest of it is ego. You don't hear the antiwar activists yelling to bring home our service people from Afganistan, do you? The simple fact is that we are in Iraq for the wrong reason, so I say....Stand down. This is not about winning a war, its about doing the right thing.
i dont know how you can assert war protesters are "patriotic" when most of them openly hate on this country. i used to be one of those walking zombies..i know WHO they are, so what are saying is falling on ears that have walked along side the children and old socialists that make up the antiwar crowd. And if we were only in afganistan, they would protest that too, iraq is just easier to exploit our dead warriors.
Again, I disagree. To be patriotic is to truly love this country. We all want,collectively,to be the shining example to the rest of the world. Iraq would not be an example.
I was called to serve this country when the draft ended in the early seventies. I enlisted anyway. I served this country as an ambassador and did it well. I represented ALL of us with kindness and respect. Key words.
You don't speak for me. I don't want America to be a "shining example to the rest of the world"! Have you visited "the rest of the world"? We don't all share the same values. I want America to stand up for the beliefs on which it was founded whether or not the rest of the world approves. Specifically the belief that all people have unalienable rights and that these right are worth fighting and dying for.
Not all of the "rest of the world" but some of it. What a boring world this would be if everyone thought exactly the same. And our unalienable rights pertains to our own borders. What are we defending in Iraq?
Do you understand what unalienable rights means? It does not stop at our borders. It is the belief that ALL people have the right to live in freedom, and to make a life of their choosing. There was a time when Americans valued these principles more than life itself, we lived by sayings such as "give me liberty or give me death!" and "it is better to die on your feet than live on your knees!" people like you have turned your backs on our beliefs.
Our liberties are not in jeopardy here. We are not being subjegated by the people of Iraq. I am quite sure that they want peace and stability. Its a basic human need. We are not responsible for their destiny.
This video quotes Lincoln. Here's another quote for you, "No one is free while others are oppressed" courtesy of Martin Luther King Jr. So according to him our liberties were and still are in jeopardy. I'm sorry but I just can't tell Iraqis "this is your problem." Maybe if I was a "special kind of human being" with a "cleaner spirit" like you I would see things your way.
In the context of Martin, it was civil rights. I think today he would be appalled only because of the misguided reason we entered into Iraq. We are there losing lives everyday, not for freedom but because of misinformation. Its a country that is not responsible for 9/11.
What I said has nothing to do with MLKs beliefs and everything to do with the fact that it's a small world and we're all in this together. I don't understand how you can defend leaving millions of Iraqis in slavery! You say it's not your problem, by the same token the unfortunate deaths of our military men and women is not your problem. Admit it, you just want something to complain about so you can feel good about yourself.
You are taking this off track. This is about being somewhere for the wrong reason. Its not about me or you. Its about interfering in a religious reformation which has nothing to do with freedom. This reformation was coming to a head before we arrogantly interfered. It also opened the door to outsourcing a war.
I thought this discussion was about whether the Iraq war was justified. How am I off track? I don't remember anything about a religious reformation in your previous posts. Maybe you're the one going off track. And what do you mean "outsourcing a war"? I've heard that term used when talking about security companies operating in Iraq, but that's it.
It started out as a security operation. It has gotten a lot more involved than you think. It is the precursor to the way we will fight future wars, with the latest technologies and well paid (your taxes and mine) security personnel. Hands clean. Get it. As for the religious reformation, Iraq was already unstable because of faction violence. We went in and escalated the instability. We would have known that if we factored in the history of that region,past and present.
It started as an invasion not a security operation. As for the latest technology comment, are you complaining that our troops have superior technology? Those security companies are paid for by private companies, not tax dollars. Finally, Iraq was very stable. Not pleasant by any means but stable. that's how Saddam stayed in power for so long. Stability isn't always a good thing.
So you just admitted that you don't care about winning. You also seem to think that antiwar protesters seem to have achieved a higher level of consciousness that allows them to better understand things than the stupid common folk. You guys are a bunch of elitist that just assume you know everything.
You know, sometimes when you read into something and pull out what you have just spoke of, its kind of like a mirror. We can learn alot about truth that way.
please watch my video it is of the same nature as this with a sone ive wrota and produced...... thanks
MrJAP101 1 year ago
Allahu akbar! hope you all get pwnd down there!
Papuapit 2 years ago
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chevellechick08 2 years ago
How many Iraqis do you think have died in the war? How many Iraqis will never be "brought" home
Sherap12 2 years ago 3
I'd rather have troops die than having some terrorist kill thousands of innocent lives.
icedout782 2 years ago
"nearly 3000 people died. we have it so LUCKY" (SIC)
YYC403NOYP 3 years ago
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GMOZOH 3 years ago
i want them to come home but its only right if they do what they were sent there to do
keep fighting boys
19dcs93 3 years ago
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OMG nearly 3000 people died!!!! we have it so lucky... back then it used to be 10000+ casualties or more per battle... now its down to ALMOST 3000 a war... wtf... does anybody know how many ragheads we have killed?!? probably alot more than 3000... so stop whining
t2kriddick 3 years ago
Even ONE death for a war that never should have been is an obscenity and judging by your comment,you haven't any regard for the high standard this great country has for protecting this nation honorably. If left up to those of you who live in fear of evolving into REAL humans, this great nation would be no better than the enemy you believe you are entitled to exterminate. What you consider whining is an echo of your own conscience. You have to live with it......I don't!!
shoreline4 3 years ago 2
the only reason the government is "concerned" with the people of this country is because we pay taxes.. if mokeys coud pay taxes... they wouldint give a shit about the people... its all about the money
t2kriddick 3 years ago 2
Great video! Bring them home...
carpediem247365 3 years ago 3
Thank you so much for the comment. I deeply appreciate it! Let's keep on wishing for their safe return. - Chaz Schillinger
shoreline4 3 years ago
Ron Paul will bring them home.
VOTE!
susietwotoo 4 years ago
Thanks for making this...
Please check out a song I wrote about an American soldier who survives Vietnam, only to lose his son in Iraq. When you open the video, you can view the lyrics by clicking on "more" to the right of the screen.
greyamw 4 years ago
You had to POP in a picture of John Paul the Second, didn't ya? What did he do besides pray for peace? THE POPE DOESN'T SUPPORT WAR!!! Catholics don't support war. John Paul II didn't do anything to support it so there is no reason to add the Pope into your almost perfect music video. I liked it until you added that.
aerojo05 4 years ago
I guess you didn't notice who else was in that picture. The meaning behind that picture is that you have a president who professes to celebrate peace and democracy to the world and gets an audience with the Pope! My point was that I found that disgraceful. Bush shouldn't be allowed in the same room with him. Thank you so much for your comment.
shoreline4 4 years ago
He didn't do anything to stop it either, beside sit in the Vatican and say, "no, no, no." If he were a true man of peace JP2 would have gone to Baghdad, sat in the middle of the road praying and saying, "bring it on Shrub."
W8ingForGodot 2 years ago 3
Shoreline I have a question for you, just so I better understand your point of view. In what situations is war justified? Perhaps you could tell me what past wars you would have supported had you been around then?
voloverum 4 years ago
The American revolutionary war (for independence) the Civil War (growth of a nation) World War II (defending against an attack) Desert Storm (defending international law)
shoreline4 4 years ago
..... and Afganistan (in pursuit of those who REALLY were responsible for a direct attack against this country)
shoreline4 4 years ago
I'm glad your not one of those nutjobs who thinks war is never justified. But the reasons you gave for the wars you would have supported are interesting. Is the independence of Iraqis worth less than that of Americans? Is the growth and development of Iraq less important than that of the U.S.? Are the Kurds not worth defending? And didn't Saddam violate international law many times after the gulf war?
voloverum 4 years ago
I don't believe it to be a question about the worthiness of the Iraqi people in contrast to American people. If we as Americans were given that scenerio back in 2003,do you really think we would have committed troops? Look at Somalia. I don't think so. It took WMD rhetoric, a lie, to engage us.
AutumnMoonwater 4 years ago
It is a question because THAT IS THE QUESTION I ASKED YOU! Why don't the Iraqis deserve the freedom we have? Why do you support leaving them in slavery? And what "scenario" are you talking about? We DID send troops to Somolia (and our fear of doing it right ended in disaster). As for the WMD "lie" debate. let's save that for another time we've got plenty to talk about already
voloverum 4 years ago
well, i like war. not that it is good or it is bad. it is what we do, if you want no war than destroy all government and all gods. oops...that might cause a war! hahaha!
blastingcaps 4 years ago
You're right! War is a part of humanity. I don't think humans will ever eradicate war but thats another topic. Not knowing the difference when you're caught in a religious war is the real topic now.
shoreline4 4 years ago
why are you more concerned with "bringing the troops home" than in winning and finishing the job? you anti war people dont know shit about being in fight. i dont see why anybody ever even listens to anything any of you say.
blastingcaps 4 years ago
Because the antiwar movement is spearheaded by people who hate America and want Iraq to collapse into chaos so The U.S. looks bad. Winning and allowing democracy to flourish would not serve their goals at all.
voloverum 4 years ago
I totally agree. Now they beat us over the head with our dead and wounded, as if its "proof" its a lost cause. i just cant believe they are as successful as they are in making so much fuckin noise. i mean the media is complicit..you could have a huge pro american rally while five asshole protesters are down the street and the cameras will go to the five assholes. its astonishing to me.
blastingcaps 4 years ago
Antiwar activists are,as I have found them,extemely patriotic. It takes a special kind of human being to know where and when to fight. Its a discipline that comes from the cleaner part of the human spirit. The rest of it is ego. You don't hear the antiwar activists yelling to bring home our service people from Afganistan, do you? The simple fact is that we are in Iraq for the wrong reason, so I say....Stand down. This is not about winning a war, its about doing the right thing.
shoreline4 4 years ago
i dont know how you can assert war protesters are "patriotic" when most of them openly hate on this country. i used to be one of those walking zombies..i know WHO they are, so what are saying is falling on ears that have walked along side the children and old socialists that make up the antiwar crowd. And if we were only in afganistan, they would protest that too, iraq is just easier to exploit our dead warriors.
blastingcaps 4 years ago
Again, I disagree. To be patriotic is to truly love this country. We all want,collectively,to be the shining example to the rest of the world. Iraq would not be an example.
shoreline4 4 years ago
i know you disagree, but you havent defended yer unamerican stance one wit. do you want us to lose like you made us lose in thirty years ago?
blastingcaps 4 years ago
I was called to serve this country when the draft ended in the early seventies. I enlisted anyway. I served this country as an ambassador and did it well. I represented ALL of us with kindness and respect. Key words.
shoreline4 4 years ago
sometimes you cant make everybody happy. this video is just anti american propaganda ment to break us down. you are traitor to this country.
blastingcaps 4 years ago
History will decide that for the both of us.
shoreline4 4 years ago
You don't speak for me. I don't want America to be a "shining example to the rest of the world"! Have you visited "the rest of the world"? We don't all share the same values. I want America to stand up for the beliefs on which it was founded whether or not the rest of the world approves. Specifically the belief that all people have unalienable rights and that these right are worth fighting and dying for.
voloverum 4 years ago
Not all of the "rest of the world" but some of it. What a boring world this would be if everyone thought exactly the same. And our unalienable rights pertains to our own borders. What are we defending in Iraq?
shoreline4 4 years ago
Do you understand what unalienable rights means? It does not stop at our borders. It is the belief that ALL people have the right to live in freedom, and to make a life of their choosing. There was a time when Americans valued these principles more than life itself, we lived by sayings such as "give me liberty or give me death!" and "it is better to die on your feet than live on your knees!" people like you have turned your backs on our beliefs.
voloverum 4 years ago
Our liberties are not in jeopardy here. We are not being subjegated by the people of Iraq. I am quite sure that they want peace and stability. Its a basic human need. We are not responsible for their destiny.
shoreline4 4 years ago
This video quotes Lincoln. Here's another quote for you, "No one is free while others are oppressed" courtesy of Martin Luther King Jr. So according to him our liberties were and still are in jeopardy. I'm sorry but I just can't tell Iraqis "this is your problem." Maybe if I was a "special kind of human being" with a "cleaner spirit" like you I would see things your way.
voloverum 4 years ago
In the context of Martin, it was civil rights. I think today he would be appalled only because of the misguided reason we entered into Iraq. We are there losing lives everyday, not for freedom but because of misinformation. Its a country that is not responsible for 9/11.
shoreline4 4 years ago
What I said has nothing to do with MLKs beliefs and everything to do with the fact that it's a small world and we're all in this together. I don't understand how you can defend leaving millions of Iraqis in slavery! You say it's not your problem, by the same token the unfortunate deaths of our military men and women is not your problem. Admit it, you just want something to complain about so you can feel good about yourself.
voloverum 4 years ago
You are taking this off track. This is about being somewhere for the wrong reason. Its not about me or you. Its about interfering in a religious reformation which has nothing to do with freedom. This reformation was coming to a head before we arrogantly interfered. It also opened the door to outsourcing a war.
shoreline4 4 years ago
I thought this discussion was about whether the Iraq war was justified. How am I off track? I don't remember anything about a religious reformation in your previous posts. Maybe you're the one going off track. And what do you mean "outsourcing a war"? I've heard that term used when talking about security companies operating in Iraq, but that's it.
voloverum 4 years ago
It started out as a security operation. It has gotten a lot more involved than you think. It is the precursor to the way we will fight future wars, with the latest technologies and well paid (your taxes and mine) security personnel. Hands clean. Get it. As for the religious reformation, Iraq was already unstable because of faction violence. We went in and escalated the instability. We would have known that if we factored in the history of that region,past and present.
AutumnMoonwater 4 years ago
It started as an invasion not a security operation. As for the latest technology comment, are you complaining that our troops have superior technology? Those security companies are paid for by private companies, not tax dollars. Finally, Iraq was very stable. Not pleasant by any means but stable. that's how Saddam stayed in power for so long. Stability isn't always a good thing.
voloverum 4 years ago
By the way, those last two responses were mine. I was logged into another account.
shoreline4 4 years ago
So you just admitted that you don't care about winning. You also seem to think that antiwar protesters seem to have achieved a higher level of consciousness that allows them to better understand things than the stupid common folk. You guys are a bunch of elitist that just assume you know everything.
voloverum 4 years ago
You know, sometimes when you read into something and pull out what you have just spoke of, its kind of like a mirror. We can learn alot about truth that way.
shoreline4 4 years ago
antiwar prosters are grown children with no understanding outside of emotion.
blastingcaps 4 years ago
What does that mean?
shoreline4 4 years ago
more died in the attack of pearl harbor, and that only lasted 3 hours.
sickmarilyn4 5 years ago
Thank you for your comment! But what is your point? I'd be fasinated to know.
shoreline4 5 years ago
I think the point may be that in comparison to other wars the Iraq war is actually going quite well.
voloverum 4 years ago
Moving and Powerful! If you want our troops to come home, you've got to see this one!
AutumnMoonwater 5 years ago
Amazing song! Powerful and patriotic!
Bex1027 5 years ago