Yamaha - YBL 822G Xeno Bass Trombone Introduction

[mr170000]

what song is in the backround???

[mparunak]

@mr170000 Rainy Day in Rio, great song!

[evilryutaropro]

go dependent setups

it doesnt really matter but the only advantage of playing independent is you can play 5th as second trigger

[slashmalta]

hey guys i am an intermediate trombonist and at the moment i have a student trombone i am willing to buy a new yamaha trombone with f trigger, i would like your opinion;

buy an intermediate trombone like yamaha ysl 448 or wait to buy the ysl 882 xeno.

Thanks for your opinion

Chris from Malta

[brasstrombone9]

@slashmalta Wait!!! You don't want to waste money on an intermediate trombone that you will only out grow in a year. Just wait for the xeno

[DancingSpacePotato]

I'll say that this Bass Trombone is very good. It plays exceptionally smooth and dark. Darker even than my Holtons, though it is not as easy to color due to the weight. The response is very clean and the sound is very clear. I find that the blow is much more Tenor-like than I am used to because of the small bell flare and longer leadpipe. That took some getting used to. While Rath horns play bright, or maybe I should say with more brilliance, they will definitely be my choice for a custom horn.

[BandGeekBarclay]

@ihmusic000 Rath are the VERY best trombones at the moment

All custom built!

[brasstrombone9]

@BandGeekBarclay Really? Have you played Yamaha trombones? I really liked how they played. Have you played other brands like Getzen, Greenhoe, Edwards, Shires, Conn, Courtois, Kanstul or Bach? My point is that there are a lot of great brands out there and a broad statement like that is simply not true. It's simply matching the player to the horn.

[BandGeekBarclay]

@brasstrombone9 Yes, I have.

I have played many, and it was a rather broad statement, which should have been a leetle less broad, but having played all the above mentioned brand (other than Courtois) have found Rath to be much better to play, (for me anyway) and the ability to change parts (for example, leadpipes and bells) easily (buy it, replace it in 5 mins) is very attractive, as playing styles change and being able to adapt your instrument is attractive.

Also, I currently play a Conn.

[brasstrombone9]

@BandGeekBarclay I would also like to say that I agree with you in the fact that custom parts are a very attractive deal especially in the trombone world. I recently had the chance to play the new Rath Rotax valve bass trombone and I thought that it was amazing. Rath is a good brand and you are in no way wrong in saying that.

[DancingSpacePotato]

@brasstrombone9 How do you like the Rotax against the Hagmann? I haven't had a chance to play on any Rotax yet. Would you say Rotax gives the trigger side more core or projection? That's how I've always felt with playing on trad. style rotors with more resistance.

[brasstrombone9]

@DancingSpacePotato The Rotax valve is very much like a greenhoe valve. The rotax really has a lot of core sound unlike thayer valves that are more based on projection. Where the rotax valve excels is its combination of core and projection. It's is by far superior to rotors and thayers and it is on par with the greenhoe.

[ugot2dowhatugot2do]

why exactly did they stop making the YBL-622

[uthspawn12]

Yamaha doesn't make terrible stuff. It's not like Yamaha is Jupiter! But I agree with jihmusic000, Edwards is remarkable. Conn makes some decent bass horns as well

[jlhmusic000]

Yeah, Yamaha isn't beat for trombones. Bass trombones top brands are Edwards and Shire. Getzen is a decent bass trombone beginner and great for tenor.