For me, TB, Rg Veda and X (since we consider when they started its publishing)were the base for this great group called CLAMP. Those who're fans of their job in CCS and Tsubasa doesn't understand at all what does clamp started, it was not nice and romantic stories were shoujo rules, they started a blood tragic shoujo which reflects somehow the reality of life when it comes about "not everything it's nice girls".
@SakumaRyuichiNG I agree. It's sad now CLAMP is more focused on commercial manga like TRC, which, by the way, really disappointed me. It's fine to do also stories in which evrything ends well but I fear CLAMP lost teir original spirit...
@jjblue10 Yes, I do agree with that; CCS was a shoujo style which started and finished like it. I guess it's fine to have some "relax" but they kept on that way for a while now... Tsubasa has blood but honestly, in the end even when many dead it wasn't a sad story at all. However, Tsubasa and XXXHolic were probably the most darker stories they have had in a *long* while~
I remember "Wish" which was shoujo but in the end it wasn't a happy end (at least if we consider the original storyline.
@SakumaRyuichiNG TRC was completely a commercial story. They sacrificed plot, characterization, logic, anime series, OAV and even xxxHOLiC only for the sake of selling more.
I could have be fine if TRC had a happy ending that made sense but the thing they used as ending is... -_-
CLAMP, why?
I've been told Wish ending wasn't the one they planned so I don't know the real ending was.
But it wasn't really that sad since in the end Kohako and Shuichiro managed to find each other again.
@jjblue10 I stopped myself reading CLAMP stories for a while when i read Chobits i was so, SO dissapointed. CLAMP was "CLAMP" for me and after reading Rg Veda, TB and X i was like: excuse meeeee?
then Wish brought me back... but then Tsubasa... the only think that made me read Tsubasa was the fact that I listened Ashura ou and Yasha (my fav paring) appeared. But yes, CLAMP is like "we're gonna do sweet shoujo alone, girls" and all the "we're waiting for X dear clamp... please... draw as used to"
@SakumaRyuichiNG Chobits was another commercial series, with cuteness all around for the purpose of selling gadgets. The plot in the end was a fail.
I don't really need for a story to have a sad ending for it to be good, but it needs to have a LOGIC ending. Chibits failed, Suki Dakara Suki failed, TRC failed, Angelic Layer failed... there's too much fail here...
@jjblue10 I love logical endings as well, probably it's kinda pathetic since i find logic... like a sad ending XD But it's just that a sad story with tragedy... it's almost impossible for ending with flowers and honey.
Yup, CLAMP has changed a lot their storylines... i hope it's not just for the money... at least my fav mangas by them are their oldest... which is, actually, sad .__.
@SakumaRyuichiNG Well, there are stories whose only logic ending can be a sad one unless a miracle happen (example: Seishiro is dead. Unless someone resurrects him he and Subaru won't have a happy ending. And if he were to resurrect he still would be Hokuto's murdered and the Sakurazukamori. Subaru can forgive him but still their life as a 'couple' wouldn't be easy).
Well, they're mangaka so 'selling' is their main goal... but it shouldn't be more important than making a good story...
@jjblue10 AGREEE~ it's not as "revive" and everything will be fine -like in some other mangas- it's not as easy as that, they simply have a lot which will trouble 'them' (honestly, Subaru will be the only affected probably). Plus it's not as if it was Seishiro personality, he didn't look as the type of man who's keeping beside someone. They're indeed, the opposite.
Well, CLAMP's interprise is probably that famous that doing great stories should be their only worry :(
@SakumaRyuichiNG Seishiro too will probably be troubled by being resurrected, although in a different way by Subaru. Seishiro wasn't mentally all right to begin with since he committed suicide so I think it would be troublesome for him to be back on living when he had planned to die and to have to deal with a potential relation with Subaru and with what he said to Subaru before dying though I doubt he'll be sorry for the pain Subaru went through or that he'll show he's troubled by being alive.
@jjblue10 Maybe Seishiro doesn't even care about it o.o I particularly think he's indifferent not just with others but with himself as well... It's like a no interested in living human being. Probably he hadn't even have something he liked o.o
@SakumaRyuichiNG Seishiro seems to suffer of lack of care even for himself too (he's not troubled at all he lost an eye for someone, he says, he didn't care about...). Apathy can be tied in some cases to depression and depression can lead to suicide. Apathy can be felt after witnessing horrific acts. It might be young Seishiro was traumatized so he began developing it at a very young age (he said he didn't care about his parents/having them/knowing them... it's not natural for a child of 9)
you could say that rg veda, tokyo babylon the clamp ... began building other worlds all plots and stories that came later in the years that followed ... he definitely deserves the opening of this fantastic series called EDEN .. . ALL STARTS AS TOKYO BABYLON EDEN ... ... THE STORY OF HOW THE CITY OF TOKYO IS SAFE ... THE DESTRUCTION IN ALL WORLDS!!
... Beautiful opening one of my favorite by far .. one of the serial and clamp sleeves with the best frame of his work ... what a shame it was not long daily series of tokyo babylon ... because there if it had arasa ... .. thanks for uploading it again ... I've seen tanbtas times and I can not tire of this great series ... the characters are yoked !!!!... hotuko subaru and always so close .. . that times!!
..EN ESTA HISTORIA COMIENZA MI VIDA...EN ESTA HISTORIA COMINZA EL INCIO DE MUCHAS AVENTURAS QUE DARAN ORIGEN A OTRAS VIDAS...YYY A MUNDOS DONDE LA LARGA Y ANGOSTA LINEA DE LA VIDA SE ENTRECUZA CON OTRAS...NO ESTAMOS SOLOS EN NUESTROS MUNDOS...SIMRPE LAS ACCIONES QUE HACEMOS REPERCUTEN EN OTRAS VIDAS Y EN OTROS MUNDOS...SOLO QUE LA MAYORIA DE LAS VECES NO NOS DAMOS CUENTA DE ELLO..PORQUE NO QUEREMOS VERLO...PORQUE ES MUY DIFCIL ADMITIRLO!!!!
You know ... this series is very interesting ... and there are many elements and highlighting simbols clamp series ... such as in this series is the first in which clamp began to relate their stories cherry ... the eu gobiernoq palcaio of transfers to the majority of the worlds
@jjblue10 ... and whose origin is very strange .. and the very construction of the city of Tokyo on a rare ... very rare sitruaciones staff spend in Tokyo .. and in other cities of japan ... relating other stories that take place at the same time!!
THANKS FOR YOUR FRIEND ... CLARIFICATION crossed destinies of the clamp are fantastic ... and very good ... at least I no longer died from appearing on your stories!! hahah
Eden fits perfectly Tokyo Babylon!
For me, TB, Rg Veda and X (since we consider when they started its publishing)were the base for this great group called CLAMP. Those who're fans of their job in CCS and Tsubasa doesn't understand at all what does clamp started, it was not nice and romantic stories were shoujo rules, they started a blood tragic shoujo which reflects somehow the reality of life when it comes about "not everything it's nice girls".
SakumaRyuichiNG 10 months ago 2
@SakumaRyuichiNG I agree. It's sad now CLAMP is more focused on commercial manga like TRC, which, by the way, really disappointed me. It's fine to do also stories in which evrything ends well but I fear CLAMP lost teir original spirit...
jjblue10 10 months ago
@jjblue10 Yes, I do agree with that; CCS was a shoujo style which started and finished like it. I guess it's fine to have some "relax" but they kept on that way for a while now... Tsubasa has blood but honestly, in the end even when many dead it wasn't a sad story at all. However, Tsubasa and XXXHolic were probably the most darker stories they have had in a *long* while~
I remember "Wish" which was shoujo but in the end it wasn't a happy end (at least if we consider the original storyline.
SakumaRyuichiNG 10 months ago
@SakumaRyuichiNG TRC was completely a commercial story. They sacrificed plot, characterization, logic, anime series, OAV and even xxxHOLiC only for the sake of selling more.
I could have be fine if TRC had a happy ending that made sense but the thing they used as ending is... -_-
CLAMP, why?
I've been told Wish ending wasn't the one they planned so I don't know the real ending was.
But it wasn't really that sad since in the end Kohako and Shuichiro managed to find each other again.
jjblue10 10 months ago
@jjblue10 I stopped myself reading CLAMP stories for a while when i read Chobits i was so, SO dissapointed. CLAMP was "CLAMP" for me and after reading Rg Veda, TB and X i was like: excuse meeeee?
then Wish brought me back... but then Tsubasa... the only think that made me read Tsubasa was the fact that I listened Ashura ou and Yasha (my fav paring) appeared. But yes, CLAMP is like "we're gonna do sweet shoujo alone, girls" and all the "we're waiting for X dear clamp... please... draw as used to"
SakumaRyuichiNG 10 months ago
@SakumaRyuichiNG Chobits was another commercial series, with cuteness all around for the purpose of selling gadgets. The plot in the end was a fail.
I don't really need for a story to have a sad ending for it to be good, but it needs to have a LOGIC ending. Chibits failed, Suki Dakara Suki failed, TRC failed, Angelic Layer failed... there's too much fail here...
jjblue10 10 months ago
@jjblue10 I love logical endings as well, probably it's kinda pathetic since i find logic... like a sad ending XD But it's just that a sad story with tragedy... it's almost impossible for ending with flowers and honey.
Yup, CLAMP has changed a lot their storylines... i hope it's not just for the money... at least my fav mangas by them are their oldest... which is, actually, sad .__.
SakumaRyuichiNG 10 months ago
@SakumaRyuichiNG Well, there are stories whose only logic ending can be a sad one unless a miracle happen (example: Seishiro is dead. Unless someone resurrects him he and Subaru won't have a happy ending. And if he were to resurrect he still would be Hokuto's murdered and the Sakurazukamori. Subaru can forgive him but still their life as a 'couple' wouldn't be easy).
Well, they're mangaka so 'selling' is their main goal... but it shouldn't be more important than making a good story...
jjblue10 10 months ago
@jjblue10 AGREEE~ it's not as "revive" and everything will be fine -like in some other mangas- it's not as easy as that, they simply have a lot which will trouble 'them' (honestly, Subaru will be the only affected probably). Plus it's not as if it was Seishiro personality, he didn't look as the type of man who's keeping beside someone. They're indeed, the opposite.
Well, CLAMP's interprise is probably that famous that doing great stories should be their only worry :(
SakumaRyuichiNG 10 months ago
@SakumaRyuichiNG Seishiro too will probably be troubled by being resurrected, although in a different way by Subaru. Seishiro wasn't mentally all right to begin with since he committed suicide so I think it would be troublesome for him to be back on living when he had planned to die and to have to deal with a potential relation with Subaru and with what he said to Subaru before dying though I doubt he'll be sorry for the pain Subaru went through or that he'll show he's troubled by being alive.
jjblue10 10 months ago
@jjblue10 Maybe Seishiro doesn't even care about it o.o I particularly think he's indifferent not just with others but with himself as well... It's like a no interested in living human being. Probably he hadn't even have something he liked o.o
SakumaRyuichiNG 10 months ago
@SakumaRyuichiNG Seishiro seems to suffer of lack of care even for himself too (he's not troubled at all he lost an eye for someone, he says, he didn't care about...). Apathy can be tied in some cases to depression and depression can lead to suicide. Apathy can be felt after witnessing horrific acts. It might be young Seishiro was traumatized so he began developing it at a very young age (he said he didn't care about his parents/having them/knowing them... it's not natural for a child of 9)
jjblue10 10 months ago
you could say that rg veda, tokyo babylon the clamp ... began building other worlds all plots and stories that came later in the years that followed ... he definitely deserves the opening of this fantastic series called EDEN .. . ALL STARTS AS TOKYO BABYLON EDEN ... ... THE STORY OF HOW THE CITY OF TOKYO IS SAFE ... THE DESTRUCTION IN ALL WORLDS!!
SeishiroX1999 1 year ago
@SeishiroX1999 LOL I agree!
jjblue10 1 year ago
@jjblue10 yes is only true!!!!!
SeishiroX1999 1 year ago
@SeishiroX1999 Yes, it would have been fitting. Let's hope one day an anime series about TB will be done...
jjblue10 1 year ago
... Beautiful opening one of my favorite by far .. one of the serial and clamp sleeves with the best frame of his work ... what a shame it was not long daily series of tokyo babylon ... because there if it had arasa ... .. thanks for uploading it again ... I've seen tanbtas times and I can not tire of this great series ... the characters are yoked !!!!... hotuko subaru and always so close .. . that times!!
SeishiroX1999 1 year ago
@SeishiroX1999 I would have loved if CLAMP had turned TB into an anime... I so wish one day they'll consider doing it...
jjblue10 1 year ago
何を記憶しているああああスバル...私は、これらの記憶に残る日、静かに戻って...私たちは、家族...しかし、当時あたかも優れた開口部は、非常に短い思い出せなかった....返すことが好き非常に良い！東京は、バビロン！
SeishiroX1999 1 year ago
...友好ディア...とまだの喪失の物語...ホームの始まりはあなたの損失..スバル、北斗のための不思議です...今そこにこれ以上もどって...どのように幸せな思い出が当時...どうやって？
SeishiroX1999 1 year ago
@SeishiroX1999 I'm sorry but I don't understand Japanese...
jjblue10 1 year ago
@jjblue10 You do not understand japanese ... right? ... sorry I did not know ... maybe speak English or Spanish or French ... mhhh??
SeishiroX1999 1 year ago
@SeishiroX1999 I'm Italian but I understand English so if you can use it, it'll be fine for me!
jjblue10 1 year ago
..EN ESTA HISTORIA COMIENZA MI VIDA...EN ESTA HISTORIA COMINZA EL INCIO DE MUCHAS AVENTURAS QUE DARAN ORIGEN A OTRAS VIDAS...YYY A MUNDOS DONDE LA LARGA Y ANGOSTA LINEA DE LA VIDA SE ENTRECUZA CON OTRAS...NO ESTAMOS SOLOS EN NUESTROS MUNDOS...SIMRPE LAS ACCIONES QUE HACEMOS REPERCUTEN EN OTRAS VIDAS Y EN OTROS MUNDOS...SOLO QUE LA MAYORIA DE LAS VECES NO NOS DAMOS CUENTA DE ELLO..PORQUE NO QUEREMOS VERLO...PORQUE ES MUY DIFCIL ADMITIRLO!!!!
SeishiroX1999 1 year ago
@SeishiroX1999 SUBARU QUE PEQUEÑO ESTABAS!!!!
SeishiroX1999 1 year ago
@SeishiroX1999 Él era lindo, ¿no?
jjblue10 1 year ago
@SeishiroX1999 Sounds like an interesting intro for the series...
jjblue10 1 year ago
@jjblue10 yes, is true!!!!
SeishiroX1999 1 year ago
@SeishiroX1999 ^____________^
jjblue10 1 year ago
@jjblue10 that good that you will understand
SeishiroX1999 1 year ago
@SeishiroX1999 Yes, it is!
jjblue10 1 year ago
You know ... this series is very interesting ... and there are many elements and highlighting simbols clamp series ... such as in this series is the first in which clamp began to relate their stories cherry ... the eu gobiernoq palcaio of transfers to the majority of the worlds
SeishiroX1999 1 year ago
@jjblue10 ... and whose origin is very strange .. and the very construction of the city of Tokyo on a rare ... very rare sitruaciones staff spend in Tokyo .. and in other cities of japan ... relating other stories that take place at the same time!!
SeishiroX1999 1 year ago
jajajajaa aqui aprescooooo jajajajaaja..... y estan el edificio de gobierno de TUBASA RESERVOIR CHRONICLES Y TAMBIEN EN TOKIO BABYLON
SeishiroX1999 1 year ago
@SeishiroX1999 Yes, the Tokyo Tower you see in the video was also in TRC.
jjblue10 1 year ago
@jjblue10
THANKS FOR YOUR FRIEND ... CLARIFICATION crossed destinies of the clamp are fantastic ... and very good ... at least I no longer died from appearing on your stories!! hahah
SeishiroX1999 1 year ago
Awsome Job. Love the rose flow
Zero4Wing 3 years ago
Thank you! (even if actually it's sakura petals flow... ^_-)
jjblue10 3 years ago
i love this three of my fav animes
SubarusXangel 3 years ago
I'm glad you do! ^_________^
jjblue10 3 years ago