Great Discussion on Abortion(Reproductive Rights)-1/5

[DavidJohnTheHermit]

Margaret Sanger and the Negro Project

[DavidJohnTheHermit]

Even Hitler,new that most of the poor,are too busy or concerned with everyday life to see the lies.Most are not truly informed(genetically inferior races)

[DavidJohnTheHermit]

The Foundress of Planned Parenthood"Margaret

Sanger"was a Communist,and Nazi sympathizer.

Some of her statements;sterilization genetically inferior race.The "cessation of charity" morons,misfits.Extermination of "human weeds."Look at the "Negro Project."She is a part of the intellectual elite,murders,liers.These are exterminators of the human race.Depopulation of the"human weeds" of the world.And the Intellectual elite,who see children, as a blockaide against their success of wealth!!!

[pirbird14]

@DavidJohnTheHermit Margaret Sanger was opposed to racial cleansing and spoke out against both Hitler and Mussolini from the early 1920s on. Hitler burned her books. She saw birth control as a means by which poor families could allocate their economic resources to fewer children, thus ensuring that most of them survive to adulthood. In a family with 12 children, the 12th had a 60% chance of surviving to age 5. Why give birth to a child with such poor chances of survival?

[LadyDoloris]

@pirbird14 Well, now we don't live in the 1920's. Children can be adopted aswell. There are a lot of families all around the world who've waited for years to adopt a child. If don't feel ready enough to have a child, then don't have sex, it's as easy as that...

[pirbird14]

@LadyDoloris Well now, adoption was a possibility in the 1920s, too. However, orphanages were just as full then as they are now; because, adoptive couples are only interested in babies, not in older children who might have personality problems as a result of being raised in an orphanage.

If you don't want the fetus growing in your womb, have a safe, modern abortion. It's as simple as that.

[LadyDoloris]

@pirbird14 Well... I know couples who've waited for years to adopt... Because, there are no children to adopt. If you can't take care of a child, you aren't mature enough to have sex. You are certainly not mature enough to have sex if you don't WANT a child, and would kill it if you got pregnant!

"If you don't want your child growing inside of you, kill it in a modern way. It's as simple as that"?...

[pirbird14]

@LadyDoloris " Because, there are no children to adopt. " There are plenty of older children to adopt. Most couple want a fresh baby that they can mold in their own image. ""If you don't want your child growing inside of you, kill it in a modern way. It's as simple as that"?..." It's better than the old fashioned - coathangers. The fetus, of course, is not a child. If you don't want children, use birth control. If that fails, have an abortion - it's as simple as that.

[LadyDoloris]

@pirbird14 I know people who've adopted older children, and also siblings of the child they first thought of adopting. So the fetus just magically turns into a child at birth? If you do not want children, don't have sex... or sterilize yourself. It's sick to have sex on the cost of another human's life...

[pirbird14]

@LadyDoloris I ssaid there are plenty of older children to adopt. Did the people you know adopt all of them? So, those orphanages are all empty now? Even the ones in third world countries? There's nothing magic about birth. The fetal brain is kept sedated by naturally occurring chemicals, which are neutralized when the newborn takes its first breath outside the womb. Consciousness is requisite for sentience. We are Homo Sapiens, wise man. You can't be wise without first being sentient.

[LadyDoloris]

@pirbird14 No, they did not. But they helped some children! So, before birth, the brain is fetal. But after birth, the brain is the brain of a newborn? And you are sentient, believing that a woman should be able to kill her own child? Again, I do not believe that 80 million more babies would walk the earth if we banned abortion. I do believe that people would be more careful. And if 80 million babies would walk the earth, shall we continue killing them for our own good?

[pirbird14]

@LadyDoloris "So, before birth, the brain is fetal. But after birth, the brain is the brain of a newborn?"That is correct. I explained why. If you want to know more about the sedative chemicals in the fetal brain, read "The importance of 'awareness' for understanding fetal pain," David Mellor, 2005. " if 80 million babies would walk the earth, shall we continue killing them" Of course not. Babies are not fetuses. And yes, I am sentient.

[LadyDoloris]

@pirbird14 So you actually believe that fetuses aren't babies? And you do believe that we should kill unborn children to prevent an overpopulated world? Should we force women to have abortions because of that the world is overpopulated? I do believe that children in the womb do feel pain. And even if they did not... would it be right to end their lives? There are children that, because of an illness, can't feel any pain. Would it be right to end their lives?

[HannayZ]

Yes. While I am for choice to a certain extent, the reality seems to be that if health or life is the main consideration -- that is, the child is otherwise wanted -- why not early deliver a live child?

The rational behind the protection of late abortions seems less to do with women's health and more to ensure a dead baby. I can see it no other way, unless someone provides medical information for my consideration.

[HannayZ]

Yes. While I am for choice to a certain extent, the reality seems to be that if health or life is the main consideration -- that is, the child is otherwise wanted -- why not early deliver a live child?

The rationale behind laws protecting late abortion seems less to do with women's health and more to ensure a dead child. I cannot see it any other way, unless some provides medical information for my consideration.

[johnjfaux]

Ron Fitzsimmons of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers has admitted that partial birth abortions are almost NEVER used to protect the health or life of a woman. Health problems are simply made up and a perfectly viable child is killed late in pregnancy. Here she is pushing for late term abortions which are almost never medically necessary.