Faith and Reason: Summation of Scholastic Theology, Philosophy.

[AdversusHaereses]

My teacher just told me that the scholastic way of thinking is invalid because it is old, I'm now an atheist. NOT

[covenantervoice]

Does anyone notice the silence in my last comment?

My argument is clear. Scripture authority exceeds Church authority. Anyone who argues the church is equal or superior to Scripture does error.

[Theologica37]

The silence was on your part, you didn't answer me. Scripture does not give us which books are inspired. Therefore, in order to get an infallible list of books you must have an infallible source of books because the scriptures do not tell us the right canon. Secondly, if the Scriptures are the only teaching authority, then their teaching so must be found within the texts (even ignoring that you cannot show me which texts are inspired). However, no such teaching exists, thus Sola Scriptura fails.

[covenantervoice]

The argument the author makes is fine provided that you are under the presupposition that the Church authority supersedes the reveled authority of Scripture. This reason is illogical on its face, as there is no authority above that which God himself reveals to man, and it is man's obligation, duty and benefit to build upon a solid foundation...Scripture alone.

Putting your faith and reason in error of Antichrist's testimony will only cause great schism and division within the visible church.

[Theologica37]

Not only are your assertions unbiblical (this teaching is found nowhere in scripture) but impossible as we cannot scripturally know what is and isn't scripture.

Further, Jesus said to the Apostles (The Church: Matthew 18:18, Eph. 2:20); "Whoever hears you, hears Me" (Luke 10:16)-- and therefore God uses the Church with Scripture to reveal himself, for those in His Apostolic ministry are ordained, sanctioned, guided and sustained by the Holy Spirit unto the teaching and salvation of the world.

[covenantervoice]

@Theologica37

You write, "but impossible as we cannot scripturally know what is and isn't scripture."

Can you explain this statement? If you cannot Scripturally know what is the Scripture, then why did you just quote the Scripture?

Jerome translated his version of Scriptures adopted by the Church. "However, the Vulgate generally displaced the Vetus Latina and was acknowledged as the official Bible of the Roman Catholic Church at the Council of Trent."

He is a man, he was not a church.

[Theologica37]

*Let the reader mark this challenge:

Covenantervoice, if you wish to believe the the scriptures are the sole rule of faith and/or the only infallible sources of Christian teaching then you must be able to tell us which books are Inspired infallibly; and you must do so by scripture-- but you cannot, nor do you have the authority to do so.

Secondly, I do not hold such a self-refuting position and therefore will quote scripture and the places where It refutes your other false assumption at will.

[CreedChrist]

@Theologica37 this is true, these KJV evangelicals don't realize that they are borrowing the Catholic Church's canon of the NT. And its funny how they claim the KJV is the only true bible. Does it say anywhere in scripture that the KJV bible is the real one? Did all those early christians have to wait till the 16th century for the truth from king James? They have so many extra-biblical doctrines and views and they don't even realize it, and many which are explicity denied in the bible(solafide)

[GaryCheevers]

@CreedChrist The even greater irony is that the King James borrowed heavily from the first Dhouay-Rheims version- the Catholic English translation of the Latin Vulgate. See James G Carleton, “The Part of the Rheims in the making of the English Bible”

[CreedChrist]

@covenantervoice no where in scripture does it say scripture has higher authority than the Church. Timothy says the Church is the PILLAR and FOUNDATION of truth. You talk about Schism, but it was the heretical protestants who caused schism and broke off people into thousands of denominations. Lastly, we have the promise of Church, that the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church. An antichrist is one who attacks and denies Christ, and by attacking the Church you attack Christ himself

[CreedChrist]

@covenantervoice "man to build a solid foundation?" Do you realize the epistle of Timothy says the Church is the pillar and FOUNDATION of truth? or did you miss that verse?? God already put a divine foundation, which is the Church. And you say to rely on man to build a foundation?

[kerplunk288]

I wholly agree with your side critique of fideism, however your passing comments against rationalism seemed unsatisfactory. You stated that rationalism is insufficient because it is incomplete. This criticism seems to be predicated on a potentially unreasonable hope that some system (either reason, faith, a mixture of the two) will give complete belief. Do not rationalists admit the limitations of reason, conceding that is the best that we seemingly have?

[Theologica37]

These are very well put questions, I'm going to send you a PM; 500 characters will probably not suffice.

[shedininja001]

@Theologica37 how about a video on this answer, i'd like to know that as well!

[Theologica37]

It is highly questionable whether or not Aristotle's metaphysics, epistemology or ethics constitute heresy. On the face of it, they do not. The matter form distinction is Biblical; potency act, essense esse, virtue ethics and knowledge via sense datum are perfectly consistent theologically. .To be sure eastern mysticism is equally as Pagan (much more so!).

An interesting question is whether or not its possible that there be some mysterious light that is not God's essence and not created by Him.

[Anglolund]

Great Job, i have read a lot on this subject and that was one of best presenations i have heard,

[theowarner]

Could you post the script for this video somewhere?

[SetonsH4ll]

Where is your response? It is clear that this is the position and teaching of the Catholic Church. Further, that this is what is true. Unlike your deeply fundamentalist, protestant fidestic assertions in videos such as 'Fides48' and 'Myth of Reason'; faith and reason are not opposed, but central to a proper theology. You asked me in these videos what my view was, I would endorse the teaching of the Catholic church, for it is her teaching which is true. This video appears to be a summation of it.

[theowarner]

@SetonsH4ll

I have asked for a script. If Theologica is able to provide one, perhaps I can give you a better answer.

My debate with Veritas48, in actuality, was more designed to counter Noah's view than reflect my own. If you think I'm a fideist, you should be as equally rude towards Noah who thinks there is not place for faith in the religious life.

[SetonsH4ll]

If Noah thinks there is no place for faith in religious life, than yes that is an error. However, I have heard him say nor imply any such thing; perhaps he has said this to you.

You now say that the entirety of those five videos do not reflect your views. If this is honestly the case, then I should question why you would ever make them for you say quite the many things in those videos. I can quote you for no less than 6 blatantly fideistic assertions. But, .. those videos were fake?

[theowarner]

@SetonsH4ll

"Fake" is not the word. We argue in order to test

ideas.

If you would like to know my views on a topic, you should ask. You inferences based on my videos are going to be invariably filtered through the veil of that conversation. Of course, you shod ask nicely, considering how rude you are toasted me.

[tumbleweedjoe]

Great video. In my favorites.

[FIDESetRATIOihtys]

In my favorites ;-)

[Shlomayo]

Such divinely illumined intellect.

Great video!

[AdversusHaereses]

Its funny how in the beginning of the enlightenment we know everything and towards the end of the 19th century, we know nothing. We definitely need to go back to the middle ages for philosophy

[TheVodkaHaze]

Another amazing video, Theologica!

[Theologica37]

Thank you very much.