Threats to welfare benefits if you refuse a job offer

[MarlonToWin]

David Cameron's final thoughts...We need money for to pay for the Olympics...I must rape the poor and the sick as we need to put on a good fireworks display for the world and for fucks sake i must make sure that the rich are safe by not touching there child benefit.

[1killerbilly]

cameron has 30 million in the bank he dont give a flying fuck all the tories never give a fuck what have they done to the bankers fuck all they caused this fuck up

[5LJ3A2]

Absolutely agree with the caller. The unemployed are victims, not spongers. It is absolutely right the taxpayer should give them enough to survive on, otherwise it forces people into crime which costs the taxpayer MORE, and would threaten the welfare of other people.

[TheJameszac]

anybody being forced on the WORK PROGRAM watch youtube video "HOW TO DESTROY THE WORK PROGRAMME" spread the word..

[ScottishRepublican]

@TheJameszac Any strategy of resistance against the imposition of slavery which is based on what the law "is" is flawed. Why? Because, they, parliament, the courts, the government make and implement the law. It is THEIR law.

Rather it is better to organise politically to insist that the law SHOULD and MUST change to outlaw any compulsory work or slavery by asserting a constitutional right to FREEDOM.

I am offering my internet forum - the For Freedom Forums at FIGH.TK as a place to organise.

[proff180]

I agree with the caller, even if there are a small number of people who don't want work and are refusing reasonable offers I don't think the answer is to completely stop their benefits, maybe cut it down, yes, fair enough but to leave them with absolutely nothing is mad, does anyone really believe that an employer is then going to take on someone who can't even afford bus fare??...no...course not, the Government need to get real on this, they're in Cuckoo land just like with their NHS reforms.

[ScottishRepublican]

@proff180 "reasonable offers"? Who decides what is "reasonable"? The jobcentre management? You think they should get to decide what someone with twice their IQ & education must do or be sanctioned?

It is against nature to try to make very clever people the slaves of very stupid people. That way lies revolution. The state knows it so offers a "get out of Jobcentre hell free card" AKA "a sick note" for stress when the intellectual has had more than enough of taking orders from jobcentre staff.

[menetjunky]

@ScottishRepublican great observation, thank you!

[zincfreud]

Revolution thats what we need!

[ScottishRepublican]

The For Freedom Forums (figh. tk FIGH. TK) now has a "Fight the cuts" forum in it. That is the place to register and make your comments and have a full debate. Anyone fighting the cuts to welfare is welcome. Let's get politically educated and organised people!

[dashwood123]

A word of warning to our student protestors, according to a BBC news report, it is now illegal to piss on Winstons statue in Whitehall, under section 5. If you really want to cause a stir, organise a weekly rave in Camerons and Cleggs neighbourhoods. ;)

[sugarraygras]

@dashwood123 If the working classes withdraw all their money from the banks in one go and only put it back when their demands are met. That would show who really rules this country.

[ScottishRepublican]

@sugarraygras No withdrawing money from banks won't work. We need a republican revolution so that the people elect the president as head of state - that is the only way to show the state who is boss.

If you leave a kingdom then the officers of the crown will rule the country. We need to get rid of the Queen & royals.

The start to the republican revolution is political education and organisation - both available in the For Freedom Forum figh. tk FIGH. TK to which I have invited you.

[dashwood123]

Too many foreigners coming in = too many on the dole. Cheaper labour and lower wages does not help the economy (whatever that is) it only helps a few fat cat bastards. But it never ceases to amaze me how the government can find billions of £'s to bail out banks and other countries when we are supposed to be fucking skint.

Work that one out.

[ScottishRepublican]

@dashwood123 Too simplistic.

Foreigners of high quality, middle-class, educated and professionals can actually create jobs in the economy. Agreed bringing in unskilled labour is a false economy if the minimum wage is too low.

Even worse is the HMG allowing foreign criminals in - killers, drug traffickers, money launderers, hitmen, crime bosses & dictators - because of lax border control.

Solution - establish a republic, elect a clever president (me?) set a higher minimum wage.

[renzokata]

@dashwood123 yeah, poor people are an easy target to cut spending. this very government that we swear alligiance too is fucking corrupt. the very way in which this country was founded is wrong and needs to be destroyed. back to our tribal ways, thats what i say. i dont need all this bullshit.

[ScottishRepublican]

@renzokata Hey Tim. Both dashwwood123 and myself are in the UK-which-needs-to-be-destroyed­. But you are from the USA. You want to destroy the USA? Steady on there.

Let's destroy the UK, sure, and replace it with a republican revolution to establish British republics and instead make a more perfect union of the USA.

You might find once the UK is gone you'll feel a lot more positive about the USA when it is not being sabotaged from within by Americans who are royalists.

[sugarraygras]

@thistlewarrior I have read your posts and you make a good point however seem to mix your onions. We are all under attack. The working man is no different to the man who loses his job. They are dividing and ruling us. I work hard but I know I will end up with half of what my father achieved on the same wages. The bubble has burst; people need to realise what they have in common rather than what they dont.You are brothers. This coalition will rip this country apart. Millionaires dont care

[kinkaid25]

Human Rights, that's all i got to say.

[mattl1762]

i wanted to enroll at college but was told by the jobcentre that i had to continue with jobsearch ,, if i had found a job or they offered me jobs i would of had to give up college to do some shitty job instead

[dashwood123]

The cost of living is in 2010, wages are at 1970 rates. Since council houses were sold off by the Tories and given away to housing trusts for free, you now need a job that pays enough to get a mortgage if you want a roof over your head, failing that, you can always sign on and claim housing benefit. Its a no brainer isnt it. The Tories are now reducing housing benefit to correct this problem which means people will end up homeless whether they are working or not. U can live rent free in prison.

[ScottishRepublican]

@dashwood123 Thank you for your comment but there is a better place for your comments on this video and about the whole subject of welfare and the cuts the Tories and Lib Dems are pushing through.

Please register and post in the Fight The Cuts forum where Housing Benefits cuts are ferociously opposed.

The Fight The Cuts FORUM is one of the For Freedom Forums - figh. tk

[TheJameszac]

most people want to work, but not for £5odds an hour when these companys (most) are making fortunes. take away their benefits and crime will shoot through the roof, people have got to eat.

[afertyus1000]

@dashwood123 when i had an unskilled average job in 1980 i earned £10,000 a year i bought a house for £30,000 [three times my salary] now i would need a job that pays £40,000 a year to get a £120.000 house??? where is an unskilled job that pays £40.000 annum??????????????

[sugarraygras]

@dashwood123 Thats why they are now relaxing the prisonable offences. You wont even be able to get your three Squares there either. I am working but I am horrified by the deplorable ideas of IDS. Ever new ways to put tax payers money into private corporations and to take down the minimum wage.Families living in the woods in 2010.What will these people owe to society then? nothing. Chaos will follow.Is it true IDS lied on his CV to get his jobs?

[dashwood123]

@sugarraygras Yes indeed, crime will rise when they start kicking the unemployed off benefits, and there are virtually no jobs available. I honestly believe the government is trying to kill people by making it almost impossible to claim JSA/ESA. The cost of heating and food is constantly rising. I wonder how many people are rigging their meters to prevent freezing and starving to death, you can't have both on what the dole pays, you can just about afford food.

[sugarraygras]

@dashwood123 You may be right. If eveyone on the dole died tomorrox it wouldnt effect the tory vote. What amazes me is at the speed of the implementations of these 'regressive' cuts. It is unpresedented and so shall the response be. The policy makers are miscalculating. If you take everything from someone they will they owe society nothing. The poor must not turn on each other but they must unite to stay alive and remember it was their forefathers that died, so this country could be free.

[JuanMacready]

Does anyone work in Scotland?

[UVF79]

The problem is that people do not want to work, they are getting money for nothing! I would love to have any job just now, but it is easier said than done. The DWP have to change there rules and regulations before anything will change! iam only receving 53.92 a fortnight, how the hell the DWP expects anyone to live on that amout of money beats me.

[ScottishRepublican]

@UVF79 It is simply not true that people who don't have an official job and a wage and are on benefits, must be idle. People on benefits can be very busy indeed, very productive or at least very useful in terms of making paid workers work more efficient.

I have been working very hard, unpaid, on my website and forums. You should read them and see. I do do something!

If I was to do the job that I really want to do (go back to study at university here in Aberdeen) I would be arrested!

[IceCreamSuit]

@thistlewarrior Don't get me wrong about this, I absolutely think you should of got at least two weeks off work if that's what you felt you needed. That has nothing to do with what I got annoyed about. I understand your loss because I have lost people close to me too which reminds me that life's too short for stupid arguments like this. Take care of yourself and best wishes.

[PuffyAmiYumi]

@thistlewarrior ONLY YOU HAVE ASSUMED THIS. I have never ever said that I have more right then those who work to take time off to grieve for a longer period. Christ almighty, I just took the time off that I thought was necessary, I do look for work, I look hard, I just took that time! I don't understand why you keep arguing the point, can we not just drop this now?

[IceCreamSuit]

@thistlewarrior If you are an adult, how about showing the maturity to be sensitive instead of mean-spirited over an issue like this. What the fuck do you expect? These people you reply to are REAL PEOPLE and they don't deserve your bitterness.

[IceCreamSuit]

@thistlewarrior LUXURY of not turning up for work? "whatever the fuck you like allowance"??? You claim to know what it's like to lose someone close to you and yet you talk to someone else who has gone through this in such callous, insensitive and downright nasty terms! Had a bad day have ya fuckhead? If I caught you being so callous with someone over a matter like this, you'd get a personal fucking lesson on dealing with pain!!! Right then and there fucker!

[PuffyAmiYumi]

I told you why. I never said anything about suggesting I was different. Okay so 3 days by law you say IF you have a job - being on JSA doesn't mean you have to follow the same guidelines as you would if you were in work, and besides the job centre even ended up APOLOGISING to me for doing what they did so they knew they were in the wrong. My mother's death has effected me greatly, I was distraught and all I could do was cry, just because I took a couple of weeks off I get this crap from you.

[cjellwood]

Does cutting benefits during a time of mass un-employment make sense? It does when you understand that this is a public sector money recall and burn excercise. There is not a shortage of money happening here, there is actually too much!

The government printed money to cover their debt bond interest obligations and the bank bailout did not help either. Basically the public sector is being executed to support the sick private sector.

[PuffyAmiYumi]

@thistlewarrior Excuse me but when someone has a job and someone they love passes away they have the right to take time off to grieve! Just because you decided to carry on working does not give you the right to say to others they shouldn't have time off, whether they have a job or not, to try to deal with the loss, no it isn't "Do whatever the fuck you want" benefit, but I was WELL within my rights to take some time off to deal with the fact that my mother died. So screw you!!!

[ScottishRepublican]

@PuffyAmiYumi Gemma, please don't pay any attention to that hard-hearted man thistlewarrior - he is a disgrace to Scots.

[PuffyAmiYumi]

@ScottishRepublican What a friggin douche bag thing to say though. Honestly. It doesn't matter where someone's from, I've nothing against Scottish people and I hope they have nothing against me where I'm from. If someone was to say that to me who was from where I'm from which happens to be England I'd say the same thing, right before knocking the tit out. Grrr!

[PuffyAmiYumi]

It's disgusting. What happened to me was, earlier this year my mum had passed away. So I took some time off away from job searching.

The Jobcentre, in their infinite wisdom, despite me explaining why I wasn't job searching, decided to stop half of my money. I eventually got it back, not without a fight mind you, but I've never forgiven them for it. Utter bastards.

[ScottishRepublican]

@impies You are mistaken if you think I was excluded from university for financial reasons - not so - I was booted out because the management hated my outspokenness on academic and administrative questions. I am profoundly disturbed by the legal system which allows university managers to pick and choose and boot out whomsoever they wish with students having no rights in ANY matter. Any university which does not go to war against the crown I would be at war with - including the Open University.

[ScottishRepublican]

@kennymurrayglasgow Your thought processes are typical of someone who shrinks from independent action. You say that YOU disagree with the monarchy but you won't oppose it because it seems of what others might think of you?

I can declare you as a coward and a traitor to Scots overnight. There - I just did it. Away with the SNP - a party of royalists, cowards and traitors to the Scots.

[DerVampyrEngel]

Now they want to cut Incapacity Benefit and Housing benefit while they claim more expenses for themselves onlly this time through another secret doge which most of the public don't know about , Go for you Republic Scotland, the UK rich pigs only want to suck out the riches from you I can vouch for the type of jobs these slime what to shit down to people, you were right to have none of these tory filth MPS in your country

[DerVampyrEngel]

Typical Stupid Tory Scum, thes crap started this rubbish by destroying the manufacturing Industy, you see Japan selling their car companies to ta UK firm if they don't have to ? No and all the other stupid cold calling rubbish companies (which seemed to be the only type of jobs readily available if you really wanted to work with there pittance wages, ,

[MERCANTILEoffreedom8]

I've had problems with the DWP / Jobcentre since I've signed on in Leeds.

the second time this year when they've tried to deny my claim. I've lived and worked here for more than 5 years (15 actually), theyu are all just penpushing jobshs worths..........they dont listen to anything you tell them and just want to treat you like dirt.

maybe soon they'll have to sign on due to the budget cuts and then they'll know how they make people feel !!!

DWP=BNP bunch of nasty people

LOL

[ScottishRepublican]

@MERCANTILEoffreedom8 I sympathise with your problems at the hands of the Jobcentre staff but the DWP is a government department which takes its orders from HMG ministers from the mainstream parties - the Conservatives until 1997 then Labour now back to the Tories. Nasty certainly but not BNP nasty.

Also beware the cuts will be to the benefits of claimants and an attack on the welfare state. Fight back, get organised & register with the For Freedom Forums!

[MERCANTILEoffreedom8]

@ScottishRepublican I am organised with the conspiracy of one ( Scifi allegedly) but rading youir article get organised mean beign politised. When you are unemployed you fight on your own as you have no union and Bureaucrate think you are a lawless individual easy to handle. Dear Mr Cameron- Scrounger without a thought? as per say by the establishment. His comment were offensived to a majoraty og the 5 millions of unemployed as they are descent citizen . WE are almost one.

[Muskateering]

@MERCANTILEoffreedom8 remember when the job centre used to have really nice people who would have a chat with you and see what suits you best and support you with making phone calls, then the chavs and recession ruined it, the chavs came in pissed causing trouble now they have more security than helpers, is it no wonder that people feel reluctant to work when the staff now treat everyone the same like total shit?

[pluto4847]

Peter, unless you lead the Republican coalition, nobody else will. You are Scotland's only hope. You must become its leader.

[ScottishRepublican]

@pluto4847 Thank you.

Scots and our friends can unite the republican coalition on the internet most effectively by registering with the For Freedom Forums which I administer, as I have previously invited you to register with.

The short internet address is "figh. tk"

[ScottishRepublican]

@cityflyguy I hope you oppose the SNP for supporting the OLD union of the crowns since 1603 NOT because the SNP claim to be for "independence". They lie.

A new British republican union, organised along the lines of the European Union, respecting the independence of a Scottish republic would be quite unlike THE union as we have known it for 400 years.

But to get there we must first oppose THE union 100% by removing the monarchy.

[ScottishRepublican]

@cityflyguy Having a Queen prevents us having a president who might be expected to defend our rights to protest to ensure we fight the right wars, in the right way, with the right equipment and so on. With a Queen you must expect military disasters.

Likewise with other policies we want to protest. With a kingdom and a monarch, we have no constitutional rights and no-one as head of state to defend those rights. All laws and charters of rights can be ignored by the officers of the state.

[ScottishRepublican]

@cityflyguy Well YouTube comments is a difficult place to convince anyone of anything - we can't post links to convincing webpages for example.

That is why I sent you a message titled "You are invited to register with the For Freedom Forums figh. tk"

You have suffered a life-time of pro-monarchy brainwashing by the TV etc.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to un-brainwash you and convince you in such a limited commenting facility. It won't be easy in the For Freedom Forums either but I will try.

[ScottishRepublican]

@cityflyguy Well I hope you DO blame the SNP royalists for most shamefully wanting Scotland to stay ruled under the union crown - wanting to keep Queen Elizabeth and the monarchy.

History cannot be thrown away, ever. The past is fixed but the future is what we make it. The future CAN be thrown away by retaining the monarchy and that WOULD be a shame.

Compare British engineering genius with UK constitutional medieval backwardness. All it takes is an axe to remove the Queen's head.

[BrightonFourEDO]

I find it incredible the pressure people have on them these days to find a job, even though there aren't jobs out there.... unless you go part time of course. Even then, you're at the mercy of the employer because if your hours are dropped at any time to an unacceptable level you can't pack the job in as they'll stop your benefit! It happened to someone I know and the only way out was to eventually get a better paying part time job but not everyone is so lucky as that.

[Jeorney]

There's a tendancy to write off all the unempoyed as lazy, good-for-nothing spongers. Many lose hope and get sucked into not looking for work. They end up pursuing unproductive activities and get into a bad habit. Its their emotional state that is holding them back. I have a degree and have been on JSA for over 6 months. Before that I was a person who actively engaged in pursuing my career in engineering. JC+ do not cater for graduates and they don't want you to take advantage of it.

[Jeorney]

It unbelievable that JC+ don't properly tackle the real issues of the long-term unemployed. In the face of economic downturn, the sense of despair and even fear is high. I'm now prepared to take a graduate level job that ask for any degree, which should widen my opportunities. But my advisor will not except that. If I take the job they want me to, I will throw away all I have achieved.

[ScottishRepublican]

Jeorney - It is to be expected in a Kingdom with a foolish woman as head of state that the government doesn't properly tackle ANY of the real issues of government.

My advisor sanctioned me (stopped my benefits) for not doing what they told me to do. 20 years of that is cruel and unusual punishment.

I support people who are so stressed by Jobcentre staff that they think about stabbing their tormentors.

It is better on the sick - no harassment and after a year, the money is more.

[ScottishRepublican]

Jeorney - Well I have been unemployed and in recent years on the sick for 22 out of the last 23 years and ONLY the time spent "looking for work" under the Jobcentre supervision has been "unproductive activities". I hate and despise the system that wasted so much of my time, thought the benefits helped to be sure.

All the HOPEFUL voluntary work, writing and publishing I have done IS my productive working life. What has held me back has been employed jobsworths getting in my way.

[ukandoittowithkandoo]

More money spent on training to further people options for employment.

[LeedsRhinosfan2007]

@ukandoittowithkandoo Training should be done on the job. If employers cant teach people what to do then they shouldnt be employing people end of.

[ScottishRepublican]

happyhadron - In terms of happy people per pound spent, my guess is that the benefits system makes more happy people per pound, more efficiently than big science projects do.

When the doors of the universities are barred to able people like me who want to study for a qualification to get a job in the official economy which would make them and you happy then the mismanagement of universities is EXACTLY the subject in hand.

Banning me from local unis destroyed my career - THE issue.

[bluecode320]

How exactly did you get banned from University?

[ScottishRepublican]

bluecode320 - Good question which deserves a full answer.

There are two universities in Aberdeen - the University of Aberdeen and Robert Gordon University and I have been excluded from them both and I will send you a link to documentation relating to both exclusions displayed in a post in the For Freedom Forums.

If I were to move to another city I would be excluded from their university.

The O.U. might get me a degree but then I would be excluded from science workplaces.

[ScottishRepublican]

bluecode320 - In 1984, I worked as a college lecturer in Glasgow and not long after I started there I got offered a position with the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, which you may have heard of.

I refused the RAL job because the college paid more.

I got bored with the college job and left it after 18 months becoming unemployed then I reapplied to RAL and was this time refused.

I am politically outspoken and I won't pretend the professor or other boss knows more just to save their face.

[ScottishRepublican]

happyhadron - and all the money the LHC staff gets takes away any incentive for them to find another job, more useful per pound spent.

So if the state tries dismantling the benefit system to starve people into slavery, their/your idea of "a job", any unsuitable job, what then?

The job people will find will be the job of revolution - and the state officers and their political masters who impose slavery by "incentives" will die at the hands of a slaves revolt!

[bluecode320]

Testing whether you have blocked me or whether Youtube is acting up. If this comment shows you have my apologies for calling you disingenuous

[ScottishRepublican]

bluecode320 - I have noticed the comment playing up - especially when I try to delete an old comment to replace it by an edited version - it refuses - most annoying.

Oh I do ban people, but not you, yet! lol

[ScottishRepublican]

bluecode320 - I should add that the limitations of YouTube comments is why I have set up my For Freedom Forums with full posting features, text, images, embedded videos, user profiles etc.

I will send you the direct links to the For Freedom Forums which is a better forum to continue this debate.

Everyone else is also invited to the For Freedom Forums - indirect links in the video's (more info) details.

[HerrSchenkel]

Yea, people are being treated quite unfairly, what with how they're taxed to hell making it harder to save for themselves in case they do end up in a situation where they're out of work. That and businesses are taxed of revenue they could be using to expand their business and employ many other people (not to mention that a lot of the price of taxes are passed onto consumers).

[ahamatmabrahman]

@HerrSchenkel Even a child could see that they are intentionally bringing the country to its knees , everything is lined up exactly as it was just before WW3 I hope this time round the troops will refuse to take part in a gangsters war

[ahamatmabrahman]

@HerrSchenkel Sorry that was WW2

[newbutton7]

We need something like this in Southern California. This could end the illegal alien riff raff problem all in one shot

[ScottishRepublican]

newbutton7 - Like I said in the video - "The lesson from America is if you cut the numbers of people on benefit by depriving them of welfare, you have a huge increase in the numbers in prison - because if you deprive people of any way to survive then they will turn to crime."

[gaffpaulable]

This is the typical attitude of the unmplyed , lazy bastards.they think the world owes them a living. Scotland has too many people on benefits. young able bodied men claiming invalididty benefits and really have no intention of working. very opinionated in what they want. we have a population in scotland of 5.5 mil. 3.2 million are receiving some kind of benefit, 1.1 million pensioners. that leaves just over a million of us working to keep them all. where else do you think the money comes from.

[ScottishRepublican]

gaffpaulable - Click on (more info) to read my comments there which answer some of your "points" such as -

* your typical prejudice of the ignorant masses who persist in their reactionary view that there appear tothem to be far too many "work-shy" people."

and

"people are not idle if they are unemployed. I'm ,, working on a website"

[ScottishRepublican]

gaffpaulable - Also some benefits are very useful in making work pay such as tax credits.

So the unemployed are not lazy but they are right to think the world owes them a fair opportunity to do suitable work at a decent wage.

People should be opinionated that they should not be treated as slaves and made to do unsuitable work.

The money comes from the royalist fascist police state which is the same state which locks you up if you try to shop without money or squat without paying rent.

[ScottishRepublican]

gaffpaulable - If you weren't so lazy you would read my website and discover how the universities here in Aberdeen banned me from continuing my science studies and blocked my career.

So long as good students are banned from universities because they are mature enough to have opinions of their own and are expressing them then Scotland will be under-performing as an economy.

Students have able minds not just able bodies. Where else do you think the wealth-creating talent comes from?

[CULAVE]

The conservative party wants to demonise welfare claimants even more than they are already demonised; they are just clever about their wording, but beneath the glossed over 'compassionate conservatism' their policy will make life even harder for claimants than it already is; they talk about 'community service' as if we are all criminals! It makes me so angry.

[ScottishRepublican]

CULAVE - Great! An angry person!

Oh hang on a minute - exactly how "angry" are you?

When you are REALLY angry at a government - such as Thatcher's government which was the first to come up with the "bright idea" of denying 16 and 17 year olds benefits - or any government after that - Major, Blair, Brown (just as mean) - then you INSIST that the head of state dismisses the government IMMEDIATELY or you will support the assassination of the head of state.

So are you THAT angry?

[ScottishRepublican]

CULAVE - So would you call on the British military to assassinate the Queen and all successors until they came up with a compassionate government?

I ask because there is a trendy fake "anger" promoted by Labour "left-winger" such as Tony Benn or Lib Dems, Greens and the like who would never dream of asking for the Queen's head on a pole.

You see I understand why when people are denied benefits they might want to stab the benefit officers but better to kill those actually responsible.

[CULAVE]

ScottishRepublican- but the Queen is not responsible- she cannot decide policy. And as frustrated as I am I have no desire to kill anyone. Not meaning to sound rude, but you seem to be going off on a tangent of conspiracy style ideas- and I don't subscribe to them. Thankyou for your messages, but benefit frustration aside, I don't think we'll agree on much. Im also confused whether or not you are the same person as 'British Republican'. Regards

[ScottishRepublican]

CULAVE - The head of state is ALWAYS responsible for the actions of the state.

If the Queen allows Her Majesty's Government to make ANY policy it likes - whether to deny benefits, to starve, enslave or kill the people - then she as head of state is responsible for an "anything goes" constitution from hell.

There is no conspiracy over the obvious fact that so long as there is a monarchy and a kingdom there cannot be a president of a republic to dismiss an evil or incompetent government.

[ScottishRepublican]

CULAVE - You have no desire to kill ANYONE, what ever? Are you a pacifist then? If your friends, neighbours and loved ones are starved, enslaved or killed, do you not want to kill the oppressor in self-defence?

Is war NEVER justified, IYO?

Your "anger" is just crying like a baby and bleating like a lamb - hoping for more mercy from your masters whereas my anger is genuine, seeking to wage war on the oppressor enemy and free ourselves from their cruel rule.

I'm BritishRepublican 2.

[BritishRepublican]

CULAVE - Hi it is me Peter Dow again.

Another how-angry test is my "Princess Diana is dead. It's PARTY TIME!" video -

watch?v=_idZmQh762E

There comes a time when a man cannot live as a slave any more and he just wants to put a magazine or two of high-velocity rifle rounds in those who are trying to enslave him.

Now THAT'S angry! lol

[montydon21]

why should I have sympathy for scroungers?

[CULAVE]

montydon21- We aren't asking for sympathy- just some damn respect. Last time I checked unemployment wasn't a crime. Self-righteous ignoramuses like you think you know it all- there are over 750,000 welfare claimants and the majority have nothing to be ashamed of. By the way, there are plenty of cases of people with respectable jobs commiting crime- sometimes serious crime- so learn about the issues, stop branding us all together- or shut up.

[montydon21]

Respect for what exactly!!!!

Respect that the taxpayer pays you jsa/income support,taxcredits,child benefit,housing,council tax,dla,free prescriptions and a national health service.

All this and career claimants wallow in self pity blaming every one bar themselves.

[CULAVE]

montydon21- respect to be treated as people you ignorant fucking cunt. I am sick of trying to be reasonable with your kind because you choose to ignore the facts. How fucking predictable for you to use the whole 'taxpayer' argument. Change the record. So you think your life is smooth? You never know what might happen tomorrow- your wilful ignorance will get back to you one day- then we will see who you brand 'scroungers' Ignorant scum like you are what helps get extreme parties into power.

[montydon21]

Well it didnt take long before you showed your true colours and you predictably started to throw obscenities around.

Why am I not suprised that you are unemployed?

You mention scum, well yes ,thats what you are acting like.

[ScottishRepublican]

lalinejad - "should be allowed to go back to university - which I am being deprived of doing" is the exact quote from the video.

There is a complete transcript of what I said in this video's (more info) details - which will be revealed to the right of the window if you click on (more info) to the top right of the video.

There is also a link in the transcript immediately next to that quote which will take you to a post with full details in my For Freedom Forums - takes 30secs to get there.

[ScottishRepublican]

Lem65 - OK here's a job for you - slavery. No? I suppose you must be a lazy twat then?

Em, let me see now.

I would refuse a job because ...

(em, it is coming to me .. hang on .... oh yes, I remember) ... I am NOT YOUR FUCKING SLAVE nor anybody's slave!

Puke yourself out "Master".

[bluecode320]

You say you would refuse a job because you are not our slave. But at the same time you demand that we work to pay for your benefits. You are a hypocrite. Why should we pay for your life style when you are capable of getting a job?

[ScottishRepublican]

bluecode320 - I don't second guess every other scientist as regards whether what they are doing is worth supporting or not.

Personally, I don't need my large hadrons colliding any time soon but it turns out that we have CERN and Tim Berners-Lee to thank for the world-wide web.

Some German scientists said "Why should we pay anyone benefits while they fight the Nazis? Just enslave 'em!"

A British scientist might ask me why I should get benefits while I fight the UK?

Read my website.

[bluecode320]

The LHC was funded by taxpayers from Britain, Japan, France, the United States of America, Switzerland, Russia, India and Canada. It cost £3Billion (including research for the GRID, successor to the Web). Our current welfare system, on the other hand, costs £190Billion per year and is funded mostly by UK Income tax (£140Billion)

I am not a Nazi and I am not proposing that you be enslaved. I am asking why we should work to pay for you when you are capable of getting your own job?

[ScottishRepublican]

bluecode320 - Generally, big science projects deliver less bang-for-the-buck or social-usefulness-per-pound than welfare payments necessary to keep people fed and housed decently.

I AM capable and I do socially useful voluntary "work" (my websites & other unpaid internet activities) provided my basic costs are met by welfare.

I won't do "a job" which is an insult to my intelligence. I would love to work officially as a medical scientist if the universities in Aberdeen would allow me to.

[ScottishRepublican]

bluecode320 - I was enslaved for 20 years of being forced to apply for jobs which I did not want to do under threats of sanction of benefits.

The state, jobcentre and you do seem to embrace a Nazi-offence against humanity by implying sanctions of withdrawal of benefit if you all decide that you are dissatisfied with claimants answers to "why should we pay?"

If the state doesn't pay this provokes starvation, homelessness, destitution, and desperate people turning to crime.

[ScottishRepublican]

bluecode320 - Like others with a the state-is-all mindset (or "fascists") you cannot conceive of people doing useful work unless the state or someone else is ordering the work done.

People working without orders from someone is something fascists don't value.

However, the true value of my work may be into the trillions of pounds because that is what it is costing the official economy to have our universities so badly run.

Like I say, read my website if you really want the answers.

[bluecode320]

I do not have a "state-is-all" mindset; you do because you want the state to look after you by taking money from other people. I want the state to stop paying for people who are capable of looking after themselves so that the money can go towards the NHS, Education and looking after disabled people

And cutting down the size of the benefits system could free up over £100Billion in the economy. That's more than enough to buy a job for each of the 2.5Million unemployed people

[ScottishRepublican]

bluecode320 - Well the money which goes to big science is "taking money from other people" as well.

Only spending it in welfare is more efficient in terms of useful social goals achieved.

You do have a state-is-all mindset because you are refusing to even consider that my voluntary work could be more useful per pound than "big science" on the government payroll.

I WANT to study for an NHS career instead but that takes good management of Aberdeen's universities, not stopping my dole!

[ScottishRepublican]

bluecode320 - Simply stopping benefits of people, either doing nothing much or like me doing useful informal work in itself would incapacitate us.

My dole money WAS stopped and the stress made me extremely hostile to the jobcentre staff who had stopped my benefit and so I was banned from the jobcentre and told to get welfare via a "sick note" excusing me from work.

Take a healthy productive member of society and deprive him or her of money and you turn that person into a social misfit!

[ScottishRepublican]

dolesponger - I am not seeking to blame the English for the Jobcentre Nazi state.

I am simply warning you not to fall into the trap the royalist ruling class have set for you.

You were right with your first comment about exploitation of the working class.

Working and middle class Scots and English must unite to fight the Nazi state, whose head is Queen Elizabeth.

We must liberate the people of all nations from the slavery imposed by the Jobcentre Nazi state.

UNITE!

[ScottishRepublican]

dolesponger - Liar.

James Purnell MP is the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions & Labour MP for Stalybridge and Hyde, Greater Manchester, England.

Born in London, England he was educated in France before returning for his A Levels at the fee-paying Royal Grammar School, a public school in Guildford, Surrey, England and then on to Balliol College, Oxford University, England.

The Quisling Gordon Brown is the ONLY Scot to outrank Englishman Purnell in the Jobcentre Nazi-state.

[ScottishRepublican]

Hi everyone who wants to fight back against the Jobcentre Nazis then please register with my For Freedom Forums - Forums for robust political debate. Inspired by Scots, open to all. - the link is in this video's (more info) details.

Now the forum has a "Braveheart" theme but I do not want my beloved English neighbours to be put off by that. Bravehearts are not anti-English, but simply For-Freedom.

So be as English as you like, no problem. All Britons face the same enemy here - UNITE!

[inkstersco]

I was with you part of the way but stopped taking you seriously with the "royalist fascist" guff.

~

[ScottishRepublican]

inkstersco - Absolutely, there is NO way that republican freedom fighters will be taken seriously until Queen Elizabeth is banned, sent into exile and that ban enforced by the prospect of, or actual, arrest or assassination.

The Queen, her blundering, torturing and murdering police, judges and other officers are the only ones who can now be taken seriously.

The rights and freedoms of the people are simply a sick joke or "guff" right now.

Are you serious about Indiana Jones then?

[inkstersco]

The contr. is true. There's no way you'll be taken seriously talking like a French revolutionary in the 20th century. If the police blunder, torture or murder, it's the fault of whooever we elected. I can't even begin to imagine how the queen(as opposed to what, a president?) should be the focus of your revolutionary sentiments(if misbehaving cops is the prob). Democracy isn't upheld by democracy. At the top of every contitution is a despotic institution or mechanism.

[inkstersco]

(error..."21st cent.")

[ScottishRepublican]

inkstersco - Sure it is the fault of the PM of HMG but HM appoints the PM and so she is at fault as well.

The head of state, monarch or president, who fails to remove an oppressive government deserves themselves also to be removed by being impeached or in the case of the UK monarch with no impeachment proceedings since Charles I, assassinated.

Democracy is upheld by force of arms again undemocratic forces. Who to shoot then?

It is much more democratic to shoot the Queen than the PM.

[inkstersco]

But that doesn't explain why you turned the matter of the mismanagement of the police into a monarchy vs. republic issue.

~

[ScottishRepublican]

inkstersco - The police are violent officers of the state which, when the head of state - monarch or president - fails to do a good job of managing them, characterise a "fascist police state".

If you want different policing you need to change the people managing the police - since everyone running the state now - the Queen, HMG, the MPs are all very happy with the police oppressing us, the only way to change anything is to change to a good head of state who will insist on good police

[inkstersco]

This still doesn't translate into a monarchy\republic issue.

Option A: A dictatorial Queen appoints a government elected by the people(this is the current option).

Option B: A dictatorial document\mechanism appoints a government elected by the poeple.

Either way the people would have elected whichever decision makers lead to the recruitment of misbehaving police officers(I accept that they misbehave for the sake of argument).

Do Yanks blame their consitution for their bent cops?

[ScottishRepublican]

inkstersco - However elected or appointed, a dictatorial government must be removed by any good head of state to defend the democratic rights of the people to govern themselves and not be dictated to.

The Queen hasn't removed dictatorial PMs/FMs therefore we need to change the head of state.

Only establishing a republic by arresting or assassinating the Queen gives us a way of getting a good head of state, an elected president.

The US Constitution blames the president for bent cops etc.

[inkstersco]

So you're saying that the Queen is guilty of NOT being a dictator? For the Queen to remove the elected MPs, even though they'r elected, would be a true dictatorial act. Yet she has refrained from doing any such thing. And now you're saying that for the sake of democracy she must be removed _because_ she didn't try to sack elected politicians?

[ScottishRepublican]

inkstersco - The Queen is guilty of dictating that we had to accept PMs Thatcher, Major and the rest.

A good head of state must NOT remove elected MPs from parliament - the most important duty is to defend the rights of elected MPs to attend parliament and not be banned from parliament by the other MPs as has happened on several occasions - that was undemocratic and the Queen failed there yet again.

Any head of state should have sacked those PMs from 10 Downing St - not MPs from Commons.

[inkstersco]

>The Queen is guilty of dictating that we had to accept PMs Thatcher, Major and the rest.

But she didn't! We chose them and then she appointed them(because we chose them)!

>Any head of state should have sacked those PMs from 10 Downing St - not MPs from Commons.

Not a democratic one.

~

[ScottishRepublican]

inkstersco - Well those PMs perhaps were the choice of some - perhaps even of a significant minority of the population (those who were brainwashed by the mass media) - so why does that make the oppressive dictatorship of HMG under those PMs democratic? It doesn't!

Even if a majority HAD chosen a PM who denied the democratic rights of ANY of the people it still would not be government by ALL the people.

A vote at election time + then democratic rights denied does not equal democracy!

[ScottishRepublican]

inkstersco - If a PM and HMG takes away democratic rights - people's rights to freedom - to speak out, to publish, to protest -

if good citizens are imprisoned and half-starved & tortured -

- they are in no way being treated like a member of the government.

In fact they are being treated like a slave or an animal with no rights - not like someone participating in government by ALL the people.

When the Queen appoints any PM, FM & HMG who do that and destroy democracy - all must go!

[ScottishRepublican]

inkstersco - Democracy does NOT mean - "those who vote for the winning candidates are somehow entitled to turn other people into slaves with no rights who just have to shut up and obey the authorities".

Those who expect to turn any Scot into a slave or an animal - those who expect to deny us democratic rights should expect to find themselves at war.

Democracy means dictators should expect to die, get assassinated, get executed.

Saddam Hussein - 99.9% of Iraqis voted for him. He's dead!

[inkstersco]

>inkstersco - The Queen is guilty of dictating >that we had to accept PMs Thatcher

What? The precise contrary is true. The Queen appointed the government that we told her to appoint. When did she "dictate that we had to accept Thatcher?".

~

[ScottishRepublican]

inkstersco - It matters not if conservative voters told the Queen to appoint Thatcher or Labour voters told the Queen to appoint Blair.

If people are denied their democratic rights by Thatcher or Blair, the democratic duty on the head of state is to remove that PM, regardless.

Only a PM who is rigorously defending the democratic rights of the people can remain in office in a democracy.

All the PMs have been dictated & defended in office by the Queen and her state.

When? Always.

[inkstersco]

What do you mean the Queen has `failed to remove an oppressive government`?

The Queen appointed an _elected_ government. IOW the people chose an oppressive government. If there is a fault here, it's not a lack of electoral democracy. You cannot blame the ill deeds of the present government on the existence of monarchy. The monarch could equally well have appointed a non-oppressive government.

[ScottishRepublican]

inkstersco - I mean the Queen has failed to sack the UK PMs - Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, and Scottish First Ministers Dewar, McLeish, McConnell Salmond - they should all have been dismissed for running oppressive governments and it is questionable whether any of them should have been appointed in the first place.

The people chose the government the BBC told them to choose, more or less.

The Queen IS very much to blame. You must blame the head of state when the state does wrong.

[inkstersco]

> the Queen has failed to sack the UK PMs

Would you rather that the Queen defied democracy, and sacked the democratically elected government? That would be a dictatorial act. You claim that you want to increase democracy, yet you also want our Queen to sack the democratically chosen government. IOW you want the Queen to act as a dictator? OK, I'm not appalled. But that apparent hypocracy deserves further explanation.

[ScottishRepublican]

inkstersco - I'd rather that Elizabeth Windsor had never had a coronation ceremony and had instead decided to go into exile, abdicate - anything but stay and be head of state - a job she is not up to.

If she refuses to go, I want the Queen arrested or assassinated. I don't want the Queen to have ANY role in oppressing the people, least of all, us Scots.

If she and her family stay out of Scotland, I will leave it to English republicans to decide what should be done with her in England.

[ScottishRepublican]

inkstersco - "democratically chosen government" I've never seen one of those.

None of the PMs have been democratically chosen because not everyone has had fair access to the mass media. The few have brainwashed the many.

What democracy means is not that people can elect a few to be the government - but that whoever is elected to official roles such as PM, no-one can then remove ALL of the people from government.

Democracy means "Government by ALL the people" including me and you!

[inkstersco]

>not everyone has had fair access to the mass media.

Just about everybody has access to the mass media. That's why it's called "mass" media. It's so massive, it reaches the masses, etc.

It also spans a wide range of opinons. Public and private broadcasting services exist.

In all senses, all have access.

>The few have brainwashed the many

So even though the demos chose the current government, they were brainwashed prior to voting. Ok. So where does royalism come into this?

[ScottishRepublican]

inkstersco - "The monarch could equally well have appointed a non-oppressive government."

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

You could equally well say "Hitler could equally well have been nice to the Jews and gays and all the other people he exterminated."

But it would be daft to think that the Allies were wrong to remove that head of state of Germany for the wrong doing he did?

How much evil must a head of state do before you will agree they should be removed?

[inkstersco]

It means that both a monarchy AND a republic would have accommodated the current government, because the people elected the current government. The queen is doing a republic's job. The Queen, by appointing the current government, is appointing the exact same government that a republic would have appointed. So by turning the matter of bend cops into a matter of monarchy vs. republic, comes across as rebel-without-a-clue.

[ScottishRepublican]

inkstersco - No good president of a republic would (or should) have accommodated those PMs & FMs.

Now, OK, a BAD president may have appointed the very same PMs but then he/she should have been impeached for violating the democratic constitutional rights of the people and that president should have been removed and a new election for president held.

The difference is in a republic there's peaceful ways to remove a bad president but in a kingdom the only way may be to kill the monarch.

[inkstersco]

>No good president of a republic would have accommodated those PMs & FMs.

A democratic one would have! If the PMs were bad, then the people made a bad choice, period. It's not a problem inherent in monarchy. The problem is inherent in the demos. Nothing to do with monarchy.

In a republic, the equivelant of killing a monarch would be overthrowing the established contitution, which, in turn, is despotic(although it provides the groundwork for a democracy to take place). ~

[ScottishRepublican]

inkstersco - Well you are obviously a strong supporter of elected dictatorship. So even though Hitler was bad, the fact that he was elected when he later went on to exterminate Germans who may not have voted for him, that was according to your definition "democratic"?

Absurd! Democracy means "government by all the people" - it does not mean "it is OK if the state denying you the right to govern is the choice of a lot of people".

Monarchy means "rule by one" - inherently undemocratic.

[inkstersco]

>you are a strong supporter of elected dictatorship.

No I'm not. I'm trying to point out the silliness of blaming royalism for misbehaving police.

>So even though Hitler was bad, the fact that >he was elected when he later went on to

Shot in foot! Hitler's government was a bad government elected within the framework of a republic(not a monarchy)! And the police misbehaved! So why do you say misbehaving police is a problem with "royalism"?

~

[ScottishRepublican]

inkstersco - " The monarch could equally well have appointed a non-oppressive government."

That is one hell of an excuse. Maybe defence lawyers should try that one in court? Maybe not?

Lawyer - "Your honour - my client did murder 3 old age pensioners, bury their bodies and live off their pensions for many years - but he could equally well have not done so."

Judge - "(Sarcastically) Oh well, that's all right then."

Jury -"WE FIND THE ACCUSED GUILTY AS CHARGED!"

[ScottishRepublican]

l3ritishl3ulld0g - Well I am standing with you in solidarity there my fellow Briton.

Remember we beat the Nazis so these Jobcentre jumped-up-little-Nazis are easy meat. LOL

But we do need to get organised to fight back. It is great that you are able to get on the internet. I got on the sick for "stress" and after a year the rate goes up to £85 a week so I can afford internet at home now.

But now the government are harassing those on the sick too - new Jobcentre-medical-examinations­.

[ScottishRepublican]

Jobcentre-medical-examinations­:

Wikipedia -

"Josef Mengele (March 16, 1911 February 7, 1979) was a German SS officer and a physician in the Nazi concentration camp Auschwitz-Birkenau. He gained notoriety for being one of the SS physicians who supervised the selection of arriving transports of prisoners, determining who was to be killed and who was to become a forced laborer, and for performing human experiments on camp inmates, amongst whom Mengele was known as the Angel of Death."

[ScottishRepublican]

ChunderChunk - Who are you replying to?

If you don't say who then it looks like you are replying to the video - whereas of course in the video (well audio) I agree with your point of view - that people should NOT have to take a crap soul destroying job ...

Very confusing. Especially when you bring being a "fucking wanker" into the equation.

If you can fuck, why wank?

Instead of just insulting those who would enslave us, we should organise to fight back against the fascist scum.

[wutangryu]

Just admiring your radio debut and also the "facts" in which you speak. But pray tell what are the illustrious studies that you supposoedly embarked upon in 19 oatcake oatcake?????

[ScottishRepublican]

1990-91 Information Technology (Medical Physics) MSc - Aberdeen Uni. (Refused re-sit)

2002-03 Bio-Medical Sciences BSc - Robert Gordon Uni. (Aberdeen) (Booted out after 1 term though top of the class)

I have a Computer Science BSc from Edinburgh University - 1982

More on my disputes with Aberdeen's universities see (More info) link after "go back to university - which I am being deprived of doing"

I want to cure diseases & open up ALL our Universities.

9 more radio videos!

[jampoyner]

Dude, get over the university thing. It happened years ago.

[ScottishRepublican]

For years now, every day that the Aberdeen Universities' managers go to work, they FAIL again to do a good job; incompetence every day.

As well, the Scottish government FAILS to put the universities under administration in order to allow me to continue my studies.

Every day they fail to manage MY case correctly is more proof they are most likely handling other students' cases badly too.

If you discover incompetent people failing to do important jobs, you shouldn't just "get over" it.

[DynamicVideos]

Socialism works better than the capitalist system we have where the population is divided by class and the lower class is forced to either get a dead end job or sign on.

Due to new technologies, there is less demand for unskilled work now and more demand for skilled which is why so many unskilled/unqualified people sign on when they should be going to uni and getting skilled work.

[DynamicVideos]

Under the Soviet system everyone was educated which is why you now have eastern europeans coning to the uk and doing jobs that many brits are too lazy to do.

[ScottishRepublican]

ih8socialists - I did work at Uni and was top of the class - then I got expelled for being politically outspoken.

Like you, the conservative uni managers (maybe New Labour supporters too) HATE socialists who speak out for the public good.

Sure, you want to make me a slave, doing any old job, instead of the top level science I am capable of.

Or starve me to death.

But rather than do what you want, I am fighting for a republican revolution so that all people get a real chance in life.

[blaiko]

this vid is spot on

[ScottishRepublican]

Well the BBC is somewhat biased against Britain. By supporting the Queen, monarchy and Kingdom, the BBC is stabbing Britain in the front but most people are too stupid to spot the bias.

Oh and the BBC is also harming England, Scotland Wales and the rest.

Yes we need independence - but can still be friends with England.

PS. I think of myself as "British" too! See my website - link in this video's details.