"Left Behind" Series does NOT line up with the Bible on the Rapture

[BiGMANJOE32]

Jrsus returns after the tribulation period we must live holy (REPENT)! or you will burn in hell

[Chainsawctopus]

not bad, this is interesting.

[forestguard86]

So really when Jesus says that we will not know the time that He will be coming for He will come like a "Thief in the Night" and when Paul wrote to be on your guard at all times for you will not know when Jesus will return. Does that mean that we will see the signs at the beginning of the Tribulation, and still not be able to know that Jesus is about to return and He will still surprise us?

[mageurazzcrit]

this dude fails to realize its a movie made to try and save people no one could accurately make a movie of the end times because NOONE knows exactly what is going to happen its a revelation- a dream- a forecoming of events that will happen told by a mortal man in a way that god tries to make us aware of what will happen converted over several languages i dont see this guy trying to make a movie in order to try and save people...

[pgpeachess]

THERE SHOULD BE NO DEBATE: IF THE BIBLE IS WRITTEN BY INSPIRATION FROM GOD, THOSE THAT PRAY BEFORE THEY READ A PASSAGE FROM IT, SHOULD BE GUIDED BY THE WHOLLY GHOST AND KNOW THE TRUE MEANING OF THESE PROPHESIES. the Lord told me once that ALL i need to know to be saved is in the Bible; all the other volunteer interpreters are just that.

[TheDeepsea79]

Don't understand all the confusion lets just see what Jesus said about all this,

Matt 24:9 Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for my sake. Wow thats Jesus talking of the church lets read verse 13 But he who indures to the end shall be saved! Hello yes church tribulation thats bible.......

[limballer]

i love how quickly certain so called "evangelicals" are to crucify kirk camerons work. Nobody of serious sound mind and spiritual conviction views the books or the movies as "God-Breathed." Instead of viewing everything other than the bible as Satanic, try examining the questions this movie could produce (unless you enjoy watching hollywood spit out more crap even as potentially decent movies get stifled)... if your pride can take it...

[receivejesusnow]

have you read Baxter's book? It's about those pastors in Hell who used to preach God's Word but suddenly got to preaching false doctrine. I'm worried for the fate of this guy!

[jpatton1989]

It's not that Christians aren't ready and willing for a post-trib rapture. It's just that the post-trib rapture doesn't line up with the bible. Am I willing to last the seven years through the tribulation? Yes. But will I have to? No. Look at Noah. God saved him and his family from the flood. And don't forget Revelation 3:10 Because you have obeyed my command, I will keep your FROM the great tribulation.

[KemnerConsultants]

wow...... notice how fast he reads the scriptures,,,, makes you wonder why he is reading it so quick......

[hatfieldadam]

i thought you did not believe in the rapture

[macsprinter]

I've just been looking at aspects of most of the different viewpoints. It seems to me that allegations of newness can be somewhat leveled at other viewpoints as well. The final word should be the WORD.

[macsprinter]

The same day view has been addressed by Renald Showers in his book Maranatha.

[macrent2]

This guy is a fucking farce!

[SuperElBorba]

Oh - So it's somehow a problem when a book of parables and nursery rhymes doesn't line up with a bunch of non-sensical fiction writtien by an idiot?

Very interesting . .

What about the time that your pastor touched you in your naughty place when you were a kid? .. Did God tell him to do that to you as well?

[loyalkz]

you must have went to a catholic church when you were a kid?

[SuperElBorba]

Not even close bubbles . . .

[chimpolives4ever]

I would think that accepting Jesus Christ as the Way, the Truth, and the Life would be the most important point.

More important than who is right and wrong on when the rapture will take place. Either way we should be ready no matter if we believe pre-trib or post-trib.

We should be ready and have Jesus in our hearts and that should be all that matters.

[Vikuulin]

Yes, but preaching the wrong Doctrine on the end is VERY dangerous. Preaching the wrong Doctrine for anything in the Bible is VERY Dangerous.  The Pre-Trib Rapture Theory would have you believe that you can go and buy all of your toys now, then Jesus will come and take us away and no trouble will come upon us. If people believe this and it doesnt happen, you think they will stand behind the faith? Some people have less faith than others and will fall away. All Doctrine is important.

[TheOriginofStorms]

galations 2: 17

But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves are found sinners, is therefor Christ the minister of sin? God forbid...

Hebrews 10:26

If we willfully sin after recieving the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrafice for sins.

Do these scriptures not say, there is more than just accepting Jesus... there are several more, i just picked 2

[chimpolives4ever]

@TheOriginofStorms that's talking on repentence and turning from sin is important but has nothing to do with the rapture.

[TheOriginofStorms]

the point being... first... there is no mention of the rapture... that is a theory started by a women in the  late 1800's....the entire false doctrine of salvation, is my point.... Please read your own book and keep a dictionary with you while you read (it's important) ... It is talking about sinning after you have accepted Jesus and it (sin) is absolutely forbidden..otherwise you will not enter into the kingdom of heaven Matthew ch 5 17,18,19, 20..... being saved does not make you above the law

[TheOriginofStorms]

as a matter of fact it makes you "the saved" more accountable. It is sad to think how many protestants, went the other way... because you all followed false doctrine .... "life ever after" is for all, "you will be the least in the kingdom of heaven" mt 5:19 as a matter of fact read 17-20 then read galation and hebrews vs. i pointed out and it might make more sense.... I am praying for you (saved) people

[chimpolives4ever]

@TheOriginofStorms wow just because the literal word "rapture" isn't used doesn't mean it isn't in the Bible. How many times do you see the word "Bible" used?  You don't, you see "scriptures". You ruin your argument and lose from the start by stating there is no references to a "rapture" in the Bible you hateful ignorant person.

[TheOriginofStorms]

@ chimp... I am not sure how reading the bible literally makes me hateful or ignorant.. I took the KJV and reading chapters 1 - the end of each book ... came to a conclusion.. Which is what the bible literally says... it does talk of salvation and the son of god... but it also gives the "rules" that you must follow to achieve that goal... Alls I am saying is there is more to it than just accepting Jesus .... Hebrews 10: 29 ..not about falling away or apostasy. It's about forsaking the covenant

[TheOriginofStorms]

the entire chapter 10 is about the old custom of sacrifice not being neccesary anymore, since Jesus was "THE" sacrifice... but right in the middle of it, the subject is addressed about taking the covenant commitment and not following through with it... that does not, in no way shape or form mean you are forgiven for your sins after that oath... you are to quit sinning ... the "remission of sins" means to stop Mt 26:28

[TheOriginofStorms]

and I am not srguing, I am just stating fact..I don't argue about god .. it is futile and exhausting... I am just saying read the books in there entirety and there is no question of context

[chimpolives4ever]

@TheOriginofStorms Once again you are arguing with yourself. I don't argue against repetence or turning of sin. I don't know who you are arguing with about that. You got on me about the rapture that has nothing to do with repenting.

You also WASTE EFFORT attempting to create arguments against YOUR FELLOW CHRISTIANS when THERE ARE COUNTLESS people who need to EVEN find Jesus in the first place. Sad.

[TheOriginofStorms]

Sorry if you felt I was getting on you... i have just read (in the bible) that there is more than just accepting Jesus was my point. That is all... and that the rapture is a "theory" not a biblical truth... sorry and god bless....

[chimpolives4ever]

I apologize as well. One thing I do understand is that so many christians are divided on the interpretation of the Bible. Just look around youtube. There are tons of comment arguments on pre-trib vs post-trib, OnceSavedAlwaysSaved vs repentance only teachers. KJV-only vs all other translations.

Out of all the groups I am not saying I'm right. Course not. However to me, it seems God opened a lot of the scriptures to interpretation and I get tired of arguing the issues..

[chimpolives4ever]

but sometimes the arguments do us good and make us think upon what we have discussed and I will do so with our conversation. I didn't mean to be rude.. I just wanted out of a developing argument on scripture because I've been there, done that, and even seen enough of it.

Yes I agree, there is more to it than just focusing on Jesus. However I use him as a primary focus against all the disagreements here. Jesus bless and I'm sorry once again.

[Lacybunny]

I agree with you here.

[spacebrat311]

I highly enjoy people who don't get that Revelations is written to Christians under Roman rule about their own age.

[joethebowler]

Do you have any thoughts on Joel Rosenberg's book, Epicenter, about the war of Gog and Magog? Do you think its accurate?

[ddiiaa52]

Hi pastor..We need to pray for all christians and non that God would open their eyes and heart to the Truth that he has for us in his word concerning all things!. God Bless!!! Especially in these days of turmoil and endtimes.

[SheepDoggOne]

~I feel bad for those that believe in the pre trib rapture. I wonder how many will beable to hold strong after they realize they are in a world of shit and their not going anywhere until death...

[hopey2540]

The flip side of that is what if the pre trib rapture is true and so many arent ready what then ??? It pays to be ready like Christ instructs regardless of pre post rapture dont you think??? I believe in His return and will wait patiently regardless those who endure to the end will be saved! God bless

[SheepDoggOne]

~Yes hopey, there is definitely nothing wrong with your strategy.

Stay well and God bless you too. =p

[poolboy22v]

I used to believe in the pre-trib rature and I can only speak for myself but knowing that the tribulation is coming is driving me to want to be closer to God than the pre trib view did. Knowing what is coming, I know that the only way that I can remain strong is by the power of God.

[mommastcb]

@SheepDoggOne I know!I got to Matthew and was like okay where's the rapture,when do I fly up?We need to armor up with our Lord and remember his words at the end of Matthew"I am with you always until the end of the age".

[JermarParker]

man i tell ya, this website is so full of so-called christians that don't wan to suffer for Jesus

[mommastcb]

@JermarParker You are so right.When did we begin to assume we get to Heaven on feather pillows?Look at John the Baptist,now that man deserved it:he baptized Jesus!And look what happened to him.

[nestorrfortuna]

nor does the passion of the christ (mel gibson's) to the bible

[rctrue]

Great sermon. How many people do you usually get per service. I wish I could be there.

[talkingfortruth]

Isn't it nice how he hastily speeds past "wherefore comfort one another with these words"?

Yes brethren, don't worry, the Lord will be coming back. We'll just have to suffer minor inconveniences like beheading and being refused food and water. Nothing to worry about at all.

I wish Pastor Anderson would get this one thing straight. Good thing it's not a doctrine related to salvation otherwise he'd be leading people astray.

I don't see why so many Christians confuse the time of Jacob's trouble.

[evcrawfish]

Hos 5:1 Hear this, O priests! Pay attention, O house of Israel! Give ear, O house of the king! For the judgment is for you; for you have been a snare at Mizpah and a net spread upon Tabor.

Hos 5:10 The princes of Judah have become like those who move the landmark; upon them I will pour out my wrath like water.

Hos 5:15 I will return again to my place, until they acknowledge their guilt and seek my face, and in their distress earnestly seek me.

they miss it because of lack of knowledge

[talkingfortruth]

and let's not forget, in the "days of Noe", Noe/Noah was caught out before the destruction began. It wasn't during the destruction.

He also subtly implies that because the word "days" is used in Matt 24 and Luke 17 that somehow that means it must all take place on one day. If that were the case, when the door closed, the Ark would have already been submerged in water. Even the verses he quotes disprove a mid-trib/post-trib rapture.

[evcrawfish]

and enoch was raptured out before the flood

[sanderson1611]

talkingfortruth,

the "comfort one another with these words" is not talking about escaping any suffering and persecution. Read the chapter again.

It's talking about the fact that you will see your saved loved ones again again who have already passed away. That is why we do not "sorrow as others which have no hope" when we lose a loved one.

Did you even read the chapter?

BTW, "Yea, and ALL that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."

[talkingfortruth]

So why does the Bible call it the "time of Jacob's trouble" ? (Jer. 30:7)

Are we (the church) Jacob?

Yes I've read the chapter. And I fail to see how a Christian COULD be comforted under those circumstances. It's not so much what it says, it's what it DOESN'T say that refutes anything other than a pre-tribulation rapture.

Also, just because heretics like Kirk Cameron support pre-trib doesn't add credence to your argument. That's a strawman argument. "Left Behind" also raptured the Pope.

[sanderson1611]

Why are you changing the subject?

The context is about believers mourning over saved loved ones who have passed away.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

[talkingfortruth]

I'm not changing the subject. The subject is: how can you reconcile the Bible calling the great Tribulation "The Time of Jacob's trouble" with your belief that the Church will go through the tribulation?

How can you say that's in "context" when you skip over verses 15-17? They seemed relevant when you read from them in the video.

You asked me to read the whole chapter, which I have, and it refutes your argument.

[sanderson1611]

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent THEM WHICH ARE ASLEEP.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and THE DEAD IN CHRIST shall rise first:

[sanderson1611]

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together WITH THEM in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

It seems like the context of this is pretty clear: that we will see our saved loved ones again at the rapture. That's the comfort we can take when one of our saved loved ones passes away.

[poolboy22v]

Yeah, Iv'e got to give it to sanderson1611. I feel kind of foolish now that the context of this chapter has been made so clear. Paul tells us in verse 13 that the topic is "them which are asleep" then he mentions them in EVERY consecutive verse. Great stuff pastor. Thanks for pointing that out.

[jrpc2000]

@talkingfortruth When Paul said that we should comfort each other, he was referring to the hope that those who died in Christ will be resurrected in the rapture. Paul was not by any means referring to be delivered from the tribulation (which does not last 7 nor 3 years and a half).

[NWLCJ325]

@jrpc2000 dude the process will happen in a period of seven years

[psyentologysux]

Is Sanderon the Emperor of Eschatology too?

[beeohhski]

some dude made up rapture in the 1800s

the same guy also predicted the last day 3 times

[beeohhski]

however i didnt know that was in the bible but i love talk of the last days and oddly look forward to seeing gods word destroy all gods enemies

[imyoursuperior2]

Hey beeohhski, yeah I was just about to say that too. The rapture is a very new interpretation. I think it was a woman though, but that's immaterial. Anyway, I think the government could actually stage a false rapture in order to bring panic to the Christian community. We have to have faith in Christ only. Whether he wants us here when it happens or with him, he will work things out.

[DJTonyAllen]

"Anyway, I think the government could actually stage a false rapture in order to bring panic to the Christian community."

They already have it planned it's called Project Bluebeam, search it on youtube

[flagingisretarded]

that would be so funny.

[DJTonyAllen]

Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort are freemasons

[BamBamBentley]

where do you want to know that?

[NWLCJ325]

@DJTonyAllen todd friel need to jump off