Starcraft: Brood War - Zerg Mission 9: The Reckoning

[DaAznThug]

There some UED in mission 9.

[patricio065]

What happen with the cerebrate in SC2??????!!

[TheSimplePast]

@patricio065 It died during the interbellum with the remainder of the cerebrates. Kerrigan no longer required their services and they were exterminated. (source: Metzen, Chris; Chambers, Andy; StarCraft Legacy staff. 2009-04-03. BlizzCon 2007 StarCraft Lore Panel Editorial. StarCraft Legacy. Accessed 2009-05-18.)

[Mirrorbeholding]

You cheated dude.

[KMSigler]

a: 4:42 wouldn't that have been handy EARLIER?

b: Happy you let him go now, Kerrigan?  You lost a wing temporarily. Good call.

lol

[96robola]

you own man

[7heaven100]

You don't need an air force,just destroy one of the Siege Tanks-depending the side you attack from and the adjacent Bunker with Guardians.Send swarms of Zerglings and Hydralisks to attack.

With the numbers you will produce the Protoss will be beaten by force.Just bring at least 5-7 Guardians along to deal with Reavers and Overlords for Dark Templars.Try to have most of your units outside Psionic Storms.

To play the secret mission you need 5 MINUTES remaining at least,not 10.

[7heaven100]

Kerrigan had cornered Zeratul and she allowed him to live-yeah,right(first of the two )I surely believe it-full of irony.

As we saw he could be Recalled any time.Plus,SPOILERS-he has the blink skill in SC 2.

[pirateking193]

what's more, I liked the dark viice plotline. it explains why the zerg purusd a specie that was utterly incompatible with them. plus they explained that they simply wanted to show that there were other factors that went down when the zerg ate the xel'naga

[Raisendoried]

Zeratul probably didnt regret it, he just wants to rule his tribe without them knowing better

[GaleStream]

@Raisendoried That's just messed up and beyond the realm of possibility.

[DestAeval]

Rewatching these videos, I now re-realize just what a bitch Kerrigan was, and how fucked up SC2:WoL is, toning down all the wrongs Kerrigans has done.

Raszagal's death is forgotten.

Fenix's death is forgotten.

Duke... aw screw him, no one liked him anyways.

I blame their greed, making the storyline understandable to those who are unfamiliar with SC1, and in that forsaking the story, substituting it with a mass of cliche shit.

[RyouuichiKun15]

@DestAeval

hey! i liked Duke!

for some reason he reminds me of Patton! ! =D

[pirateking193]

@DestAeval raynor was clearly enraged when Zeratul tells him "she must live"; why did he suddenly start shouting at him otherwise? It's not forgotten; what's more, the books state that the reason kerrigan is a monster is because the infestation completely removed her sense of compassion, empathy and perception of right and wrong. Kerrigan was a monster, but she was an artificially created monster. My guess is that kerrigan will have to face her guilt in heart of the swarm

[selemanecu]

@pirateking193 I'd rather say she is mentally unstable her human side & her zerg side are always in conflict (with Stukov being the worst case of a hybrid he was insane) that's why she is sadistic, cruel but also masochistic especially with Jim (read the novel Queen of the Blade's it explains things better) and just because she didn't suffer the same fate like the Warrior from Diablo or Arthas from WoW doesn't mean that's it no while the two got salvation she will go through torture

[toxicitzi]

@selemanecu Ofc, it didn't have to go the same way as warcraft or diablo. The problem there is that the twists wasn't ingenious at all, there's just this device all of a sudden left by some old Gods that can de-infest Zerg or kill those that have been consumed by the infestation.

But ofc, 4 years of infestation for someone like Kerrigan wasn't nearly enough to consume her.. after all, we saw in SC BW how much she was struggling against her infested self, right?..

[Wunterwafffen]

@DestAeval I disagree. I think it show the depth of Raynor's love for her. Even if he hadn't had no choice because she's the only one who can kill the Fallen One, he still would've gone to Char and "threw our lives away just to get your girlfriend back!" That's why the WoL ending made me cry. Tears streaming down my face as I saw him carry her off into the blazing sunlight. Congratulations, Mr. And Mrs. Raynor. Live long, and may your love deepen with each passing year. En Taro Tassadar!

[toxicitzi]

@Wunterwafffen Let me elaborate with a few reasons how the story of SC 2 is flawed.

1. In SC 2, its kind of a prophecy that Kerrigan frees the swarm.

2. Statement #1 does not compute, in Starcraft she took control by force over the Swarm therefore proving she became Queen over the Zerg on her own, not some wise guy's Prophecy.

3. The Zerg were never enslaved but to their own intentions, that usually blinds any reason into a human being as well.

[pirateking193]

@toxicitzi the prophecy is actually that the dark voice will destroy all. The prophecy can be summed up as "the dark voice will break the cycle and plunge everything to darkness."

Kerrigan was created in the vague hope that she would break the Dark One's hold and defy the prophecy

[toxicitzi]

@pirateking193 and doesn't that sound out of place if you played Starcraft's campaign before Starcraft 2's campaign?.

But I'm not saying the prophecy is all crap, SC2 in particular had the audacity to recycle WC3 Reign of Chaos's story line..

Here's some examples:

1. Dark voice same as Archimonde -> Checked.

2. Enslaved race -> Checked.

3. The prophecy of complete chaos -> Checked.

4. Allegiance between enemies hated for decades -> Checked.

[pirateking193]

@toxicitzi my take is that the om's plan was to assimilate naturally and nonviolently but to achieve total purity of essence through force. In essence the DV simply tweaked a small few details. WOL's arcs were partially about Raynor facing his fears and inner demons. Also, it allows Kerrigan to achieve genuine redemption for her sins, which I think is better than a simple rehash of she's an evil tyrant (they did it with art has and most other fallen heroes. Kerrigan deserves redemption.)

[toxicitzi]

@Wunterwafffen there's simply too much build up from the original that was laid waste upon in Starcraft 2..

I just can't accept that, especially since the graphics are much more colorful and less greedy and dark than they were in Starcraft.. even the art admits it changed a lot from the original

Not to mention, 1 campaign / package. That Fucking Sucks!

Especially since now these expansions are Cliff hangers instead of actual expansions that actually expands, its an incomplete story and game..

[toxicitzi]

@DestAeval this is true.. there's too much popularity installed in Starcraft 2 just for the sake of convenience, it could be good if at least it achknowledged the events that happened in Starcraft 1.

The overmind is down played just for the sake of convenience, Kerrigan is tuned down from the once Queen bitch she was, Tassadar is given a rather pointless cameo in Echoes of the Future... all in all, Shakuras was long since forgotten, the UED is just gone and Artanis vanished completely

[toxicitzi]

@DestAeval what I especially thought weird, what the fuck was up with Raynor's head? he's been drinking too much in SC 2, I don't care how much he hates Mengsk.. There was a clear plot hole regarding this:

Why doesn't he just ally with Mengsk to prevent the impending doom of the Swarm? I mean, dude. The Swarm in Starcraft 1 annihilated both Terrans and Protoss, in that one they were all allied too. Mengsk, Artanis, Du'Gale, Raynor

All of them fought Kerrigan and all of them lost..

[BaxterXenon]

@toxicitzi Cause Mengsk is a huge dick, and i like Raynor don't want to side with a humongous space dick.

[toxicitzi]

@BaxterXenon you ever played starcraft or brood war before sc 2 or even after sc 2? :/

They've been fighting together twice, once in the first episode before he found out of Megnsk's true agenda, and again in brood war.

Was it such a huge revelation that they would be forced to ally again to stop Kerrigan from annihilating all live from any nearby planets in their sector? or was Jim so devastated about the past that he'd rather sacrifice millions of lives instead of stopping Kerrigan's rampage?

[toxicitzi]

@BaxterXenon Even if he is a DICK as you say, he's still got a huge army.. That's what we call, war tactics. Make allies with the enemy of my enemy, which in this case is Mengsk.

You understand what I'm trying to say here? Kerrigan + The Zerg kill all in their way, Mengsk + The Dominion imprison them, now, you pick the more logical side without concerning that crummy old prophecy, because that was also Jim Raynor's choice from the very start of SC 2 WoL.

[BaxterXenon]

@toxicitzi I know he has a huge fucking army, but seriously...the larger army isn't the better. For example, one ghost with a nuke can ahnilate all of your marines, siege tanks and shit.

[toxicitzi]

@BaxterXenon You aren't even using your logic anymore in these comments. Raynor should have just allied once again with Mengsk to stop Kerrigan's onslaught, it's as simple as that. WHY YOU ASK?

Well, just 1 little thing that probably makes all the difference, and that's Kerrigan's forces gravely outnumber both Raynor's and Mengsk's forces combined. and so what if they outnumber them? You don't understand on what kind of degree they're outnumbered, it's a 10 million to a few thousands difference

[toxicitzi]

@BaxterXenon They're both up against millions upon millions of Zerg afterwards and even if they allied, they would have slim chances to beat Kerrigan..

Again, use your logic, would Millions of Zerg under the command of someone like Kerrigan just go in small forces to be burned to a crisp or would they all gather up, come in waves one right after another and annihilate every single terran that landed on their planet?

If the Zerg do that, like they should.. Nukes would make little to no difference

[BaxterXenon]

@toxicitzi Well honestly Jim isn't gonna side with Mengsk cause he knows the greater good. He's one of the heroes that are like "Fuck you and your large army, i'm still gonna take you down with my 12 man squad". Always in these stories the hero gets more cooler and better shet the bad guys can't get. I mean they reproduced the Psi Disruptor (But it was disappointing). And Zerg are horrific parasitic bugs that reproduce left and right, Jim won't join cause they're monsters.

[BaxterXenon]

@toxicitzi But yeah i guess i'm thinking more of in-game. But really, Mengsk is a doosh, Protoss don't really help him ALOT, and zerg are horrifying bugs that absorb DNA having sex left and right making swarms of drones that die 10 seconds after they're born lead by a hot alien queen. Mengsk is like the outrageous emperor, i don't care if he has 10,000 marines against my 2000 i still won't submit under his evilness. And still Jim CAN'T join him anymore, don't you think after 5 years

[toxicitzi]

@BaxterXenon yeah, nobody likes Mengsk, I never even said such a thing anyway..

What I said was, an army is an army, even if it's some asshole like Mengsk leading it. Kerrigan's army however threatens all life in the universe, just like the Overmind before her.

Brood War did that kind of alliance in the mission Omega. Artanis, Mengsk and even admiral DuGalle all ally in a final confrontation with Kerrigan and her Swarm, and you know what? all 3 have their forces annihilated and DuGalle dies.

[toxicitzi]

@BaxterXenon so, my point in a nutshell is, do not try to tell me that Jim's victory is believable.. without that Artifact that the developers pulled right out of their ass, he would've been meat for the Zerglings by now.

and don't even get me started on Kerrigan becoming human again, that alone goes on an even higher level of stupidity than this whole thing we've been talking about..

[BaxterXenon]

@toxicitzi Well pretty much you got your point proven.....but you know....it's a fictional story made up. I mean really, you know there's always the guy who stands against impossible odds. But couldn't tactics factor into this? For example a group of ten units could in possibly wipe out 200, maybe by using heavy artillery or grenades or shit like that. By that ratio they could take out at least 4000 per ten units, and if most survive they can use more tactics?

[BaxterXenon]

@toxicitzi Well pretty much you got your point proven.....but you know....it's a fictional story made up. I mean really, you know there's always the guy who stands against impossible odds. But couldn't tactics factor into this? For example a group of ten units could in possibly wipe out 200, maybe by using heavy artillery or grenades or shit like that. By that ratio they could take out at least 4000 per ten units, and if most survive they can use more tactics?

[toxicitzi]

@BaxterXenon It's highly improbable :)

You can't really expect a thousand soldiers to know how to react at any given moment when most of them get distracted by the sheer brutality of that war and quickly overwhelmed in numbers by the enemy. The enemy is fast, furious and relentless. That's no slow army of zombies you're fighting, those are nightmarish monsters that eat even the metal of vehicles for dinner :p

[BaxterXenon]

@toxicitzi of revolution don't think Mengsk is already pissed off enough that he won't let him join but rather just want to kill him? And the Zerg aren't going to really let him join will they, unless Kerrigan infests him and something odd goes on there. But that thought is for someone else. At a chance he has no way of either side, he's pretty much on his own. As for the army logic, you really didn't used nukes to kill all the zerg in char (I think), they used an ancient alien nuke. So there :)

[toxicitzi]

@BaxterXenon so, in a nutshell you're saying it's more logical with your 2.000 men army to go up against an empire of 10.000 men and then against a few billions of alien creatures known as Zerg which can also infest people, buildings etc.

You don't see a broken logic there? no tactic, no matter how good, can save you and your 2.000 people from being completely overrun in numbers and eaten alive.

[toxicitzi]

@BaxterXenon the reason why I say this is because in this particular campaign Jim Raynor had all the luck in the universe with him.

let's look at the whole on-going campaign again, he goes against mengsk, he finds out that Kerrigan and the Swarm is back, he still goes on his liberation campaign instead of insuring the survival of his species on all the sectors should the Swarm invade the worlds and when he goes up against Kerrigan on Char, he doesn't even know what the Artifact does..

[pirateking193]

@DestAeval actually they confirmed that Fenix's death is an issue that will be addressed in heart of the swarm and that yes it does still haunt Raynor. Also, the infestation was partially responsible

[cjn0001]

i've never understood the concept of terminating an enemy "with extreme prejudice." if a commander wants his soldiers to kill the enemy, are there different degrees of killing them? are there different levels of "prejudice" they can use? maybe they could "terminate the enemy with mild prejudice." they still have to attack and kill the enemy, but they feel kind of bad about it. "listen, enemy... i have to kill you, but i really wish i didn't have to. i only prejudge you a little bit." weird.

[CharinZain]

@cjn0001 Its like mocking them before they die or killing them in a humiliating way, like instead of shooting someone in the chest, shooting him in the groin, eather way he will die, but the groin shot is the brutal way.

[cjn0001]

@CharinZain - thank you for clarifying that. from now on if I find myself in the position to decide how i my subordinates should terminate people, i will tell them to terminate the enemy "with an amount of prejudice which i will leave to your discretion as professional killers", or maybe terminate the enemy "with nothing fancy prejudice" or "with just get the job done prejudice"

[desthmoneses]

@cjn0001 To terminate with extreme prejudice is a military euphimism for assasination. What Kerrigan is saying is that the cerebrate should kill all the protoss, take no prisoners, and leave no survivors. Meaning the mission is not just to capture Raszagal and Zeratul it's to massacre all the troops, it's to explain why in the mission you can't just overlord drop to Raszagal, and kill her to win.

[annoyerboka]

@cjn0001 i think it about, kill her enemy with mass soldier and most scaryest methode...

[CerberusT93]

@cjn0001 it basically means take no prisoners...

[Mrdickens2]

This mission is driving me crazy. Ive pretty much run out of patience for the game sense it takes like 2 hours just to do one mission. And I cant seem to do this one. It kinda annoys me that i have to spam the over powered air units to get anything done. Just want to finish this one sense it is pretty much the most straight forward mission ever.

[zeonmx]

I'm so glad that kerrigan gets finally killed in starcraft 2.

[Spike0941]

@Spawnz1810 Thanks for the fucking spoilers asshole.

[Spawnz1810]

@Spike0941 not my fault he made such a dumb mistake scumfuck

[yegkingler]

18 seconds to spare cutting it a little close good job though(:

[lovablerob]

how come u didnt do it step by step like in ur other vids ?

[Sly88Frye]

So to get the bonus level you have to have at least 5 minutes remaining right?

[96robola]

i love your vidsssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!

[hnkul702]

i never attacked the terran base in this map but does it give you any advantage?

[AdamArchangel]

Ooooo the bonus mission is fun =]