Concerns about Navy Sonar use in Hawai'i

[GCRU486]

U.S. Military is working their rears off to keep you safe. God bless the American military for they have shed more blood for FREEDOM and LIBERTY in the world than anyone. Dr. Green get your wrinkly ass over to the synagogue, and talk to the Rabbi. The Rabbi should slap you bitch face for being such a fool.

[minus00]

the u.s. military does not keep me safe. they are killing things while taking your freedoms and stealing your liberty. you keep me safe by giving the people who are trying to blow people like you up a target. thx. thats why we should stay in iraq indefinitely, cleanse the nation of unpatriotic people like you. yea i said unpatriotic. remember who the patriots were? they were the ones rebelling. you are no patriot, you are a fool. give away your freedoms, sell your liberties, dont speak for me.

[GCRU486]

You goofy wanker prick. I wasn't speaking for you idiot. Your the type of ignorant asshole that believes in global warming, con-trails, black helicopters, Al Gore, and O.J. Simpson getting a raw deal. "The patriots are the ones rebelling?" I hate to be crude but you deserve someone to tell you that your an ignorant pimpled face fucking prick. Screw you, Screw that wrinkled old ass environmental whore named Dr. Green, and screw the whales.

[minus00]

you definitely try to speak for me when you spew bogus crap like 'god bless the military for shedding blood for my freedom'. F that. they shed other people's blood, thats their job. and how does that keeps me free? you schooled me with that one genius. they are lessening my freedoms by making a doofus like you the status quo. chastising anyone that doesnt shit a red white and blue eagle feathered hot dog flavored apple pie. you have absolutely nothing intelligent to say... U R Y america blows.

[GCRU486]

Hey minus00, what part of I do not give a damn what you think or what you say. Your a liberal POS environmentalist and the reason your country is in the shiter. It is your liberal, environmentalist the earth is warming crap that has is going to bring about the total destruction of your nation. It is sad because the U.S. is the greatest nation that has ever been established. PS: Dr. Green move your wrinkly ass of the islands, and take minus00 with you and increase the I.Q. of the state.

[VicFetters]

About Sonar Training: Lt. Cmdr. Cindy Moore. "We're a country engaged in two wars. When we send America's sons and daughters into harm's way, we must ensure they have the best possible training," she said.

Excuse me, but uh, We wouldn't be in either war if the arny, air force, marines and navy had been doing their job effectively on 9/11. They want to protect us from submarines, But couldn't protect us against huge, slow and highly visual jumbo jets?! Just another excuse to ruin something else.

[hougy6]

NO. GUESS WHAT GUY? A new kind of warfare has emerged called TERRORISM. You can't always detect it, but you can try and prevent it. Gee, do you think the TSA works for the military? NO. Are they responsible for finding on-flight damaging material? YES. Gee we haven't seen stuff since 9/11 in what, 50 years? New warfare, new technology. One country has to be one step ahead. How about you get your facts straight before you blame the military?

[VicFetters]

New warfare and new technology?!?! Are you for fucking real? We're paying out trillions to contractors to build these tools for war that will never be used. And they couldn't stop a mentalcase with a blade! Did we stop him? No we didn't. But guess what, We had to give up several rights for this non-winnable war. And one more thing, Terrorism has been around since man has. How many trillions have we spent looking for 1 freaking sheep herder? And we're 2 steps behind, not ahead.

[hougy6]

Yes. You think the military faced IED's in desert storm? NO. Guess what, military members ALSO pay for this technology. Look up the Navys new Rail Gun, or the Armys Ray Gun. THATS where your money is going along with us service members, WAY AHEAD of other countries yea? NO MAN will be a head in front of a sheep herder, we TRAIN to expect it and deal with it SO YOU DONT HAVE TO. If you think it's so easy, why don't you work for the government?

[VicFetters]

Let's get this right, You're trained and "PAID" to expect it. Railgun, ray gun, battle cruiser, stealth fighter, nukes, trillions of dollars that are being wasted on a sheep hearder and 8 years later and still looking. AND YOU ARE PAID SO I DON'T HAVE TO! You got your money, it's out of my paycheck and into yours. Like I said, Don't try and sell me on this line of bullsh^t. It's un-winnable. I don't work for the gov. because i'm not a crook. I'm for an immediate pull-out. Why fight a lie?

[hougy6]

Guess what, military service members ALSO pay for it. We go on deployments, WE go 6 months without seeing our family. It is winnable because from what I can tell you are a high school drop out selling drugs who could never amount to anything the military is. Yea, why fight the truth? If you think my job is easy how about you work for the government?

[VicFetters]

I sell drugs now huh? Try this, I sell houses! I'm not going to stoop in calling you names. I'll give you that respect. Why should I take a pay cut and work for the gov? You go 6 months without seeing your family because we PAY you to! Either deal with it, or leave the services. That's just the way it is. And I never said your job was easy. Where did you go to school? I never said that. But I will say this, No nukes in bagdad. 8 years, no bin laden. Point Blank! Trillion $ debt. No end in sight.

[hougy6]

Hey smart guy, it's called On a Need to Know Basis. Just because he had a TS doesn't mean he can look at classified Sonar operation frequencies even if it is SECRET. I can very well tell him to get out of my workspace if he doesn't have the need to know the information I have out in the open.

Apparently you are uneducated on how security clearances are organized.

[Hougy6R]

Yea, and you believe everything CNN tells you? I got news for you...unless you have or ARE serving, you see what really goes on. And you don't pay me enough for the BS I have to endure.

[VicFetters]

Hougy6R: "And you don't pay me enough for the BS I have to endure." Nobody twisted your arm into signing up for the military. And no, I don't get my news from cnn, abc, nbc. To be totally honest, Hudreds of thousands of people here in the states don't know what the hell is going on. And no, we don't trust what we read, see on TV, hear on the radio. This mess was started with lies, and we very well know, It's being fueled with and by lies. But I got a business to run. Have fun.

[Hougy6R]

Well you know once I think about I wanted real world experience and I wanted to prove to Gen-X folks like you that not ALL kids these days are useless. I really don't care where you get your news from, the point that I was trying to get across was that compared to your teen days, technology has advanced right? Yea, so why not keep going. If you got an issue with the evolution in technology go back to type writers. Because of MILITARY TECHNOLOGY, you wouldn't have the internet right now.

[SaganAppreciationSoc]

Please do a search for: Sagan Whales.

In that Cosmos episode, shot in the 1970's, Sagan makes a prophetic statement of sorts. Would you share or reply with this video so that this video appears under the one showing what Sagan says about what we're doing to whales?

[whalesongproject]

I am very interested as to what Carl Sagan said about whales. Please share!

[hougy6]

Aswell as watch?v=nrn9BbKLRoM. Yea, Why only blame America if the whole world is involved?

[hougy6]

Also do a search on the 'watch?v=TfjYZUiOkUw ' before you take Sagan's advice. If only high powered sonar can somewhat detect this kind of submarine, what if other countries develop more sophisticated types of submarines? Yea thats right, without this new sonar this kind of SUBMARINE CANNOT BE DETECTED.

[Snuilp]

273 DB??? My god.. pure insanety! A jet engine of a plane reaches up to 100 DB. Whales have to depend totally on their sound to navigate. Imagine whispering in front of almost three time the sound of a jet engine. This is pure animal torture!

[hougy6]

120 DB actually. Guess what, submarines use this to their advantage if the ship that is trying to detect them (submarines always see ships before they do the subs) doesn't have the ability for high powered sonar.

[Snuilp]

Evolve sonar. Take it to the level no marine animals hear it and make a computer that reads the frequency.

Now that's what I call research!

[hougy6]

Um, hello? It's called LFA sonar. Go read about it. Higher Frequency is actually more deadly because the pressure it to great, even underwater.

[hougyroll]

If the Navy moves it away from Hawaii, and then is attacked by submarines...guess whose finger the Navy will point its finger at. Preventative measures are already in place, active transmissions are not always for training.