Satinism while titles various denominations of belief . i think could more convincingly be described as a sect of the abrahamic religions . with sympathetic creation theories and afterlife destinations, at the core of satanism you have the followers and supporters of the fallen angels - theorising they fell from gods grace for a reason . and that reason being his couruption and tirentism. satanists are not "evil" by the christian definition by choice as they see the bible in a different light
@OdonataPlague Well it depends on the satanist your talking about. Most people who take the term to describe there beleif system are Atheist at the core. They take the term to meen to oppose and to upset Christians who won't actually talk to them. They see temselves as a "God" though not in the terms most would use the term god. I like your idea about it though. Very well thought out.
Satinism is not paganism . satinism isnt about "evil" it is an opposed perspective on the holy wars. basically name the 'evil' satin is revered as a god , having the power to defy gods will as an angel . and thus are followers of lucifer, supporters of his defiance to god and a renounce the propoganda sprouted by the church. however they do follow the thylogy and believe in the "panthion" of the abrihamic religion, and the choior of angels, paganism does not.
@CelticKnight369 I think she took it down honestly. Btw the other comment were before this one. I am not arguing hugley here and like that your very polic and direct. Enjoy the conversation in all honesty.
The interesting thing is only Christians or people that believe in the Christian Bible can be Satanic. Why? No other religion has satan. The people calling themselves satanist do not believe in a satan, Some believe in a dark force and think it is "good." Some will use the imagery, but it's origin is Christian. Others just mock Christians and choose the Christian imagery of satan. Look up Anton LeVey and also the temple of Set to see what they believe, if you have not.
The definition of Christian to my understanding is anyone who believes in and follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. One who believes that he is the son of God. So a Christian can believe in other gods but as long as they only worship Jesus, they're not really a Pagan Christian. But they are polytheistic Christians.
Yep but not too worried about it. It does happen and kinda think its an honor in ways. It helps the channels more then anything now. Btw EC you know I have no ill will towards you and if this ever happened to you would be their to help out myself.
Satanist believe in Satan..The Bringer of Light. he was a fallen arch Angel hence they are not Atheist. As you stated here, Atheist believe in no deity.
@CelticKnight369 Your right Atheist have no deity and neither do the majority of Satanist. Lavaian satanist don't believe in any deity and only beleive in themselves, hence they are atheist. I know quiet a few Satanist and have one as a good freind of mine. Now there are religous satanist who beleive in the Satan of the bible and have to agree with you there..then they are not pagan but they are far in the minority.
@Shirotora1979 Satanist are NOT Pagan. They believe in a fallen arch Angel which is described in the Bible. Followers of Jesus and the Apostles, does this make them Pagan because the honor Jesus or a certain Apostle here or there described in the Bible? Christian are Christians. Satanist are Satanist! NOT pagan!!!!!!!!!!!!
@CelticKnight369 Actually most Satanist are Atheist. They use the term as opposer not as in deity. They use the term to upset Christians who do not look into the term. Also Pagan is a very general term and does not apply to a specific group of beleifs. The historic meaning in religous terms is those who do not follow the Jewish God. Hence Jewish, Christian and even Muslims would not be pagan since they all beleive they follow the God of Abraham. Buddist, Shinto other would since they don't
@Shirotora1979 follow the god of Abraham. Now for me this not mean anything about their morality nor how they treat anyone. For me it just means they don't follow the god of Abraham and that is fine. Heck some of the most kind and respectful people I know are Atheist and "Pagan". One problem I do have with using Pagan as a catch all term is that it really doesn't tell anyone about your particular beleifs and people all the time try to use it to link beleifs togehter that have NOTHING in cont
@Shirotora1979 in common nor do they even worship the same deity/deties. They say well this group of pagans beleive this so ALL pagans must do...and I find that dishonest and plain wrong. They will find one group in history who did something (such as human sacrifice) and then apply it to everyone who is not a Christians. They are IMO idiots of they beleive that and just plain dishonest if they know that and say that stuff anyways.
@Shirotora1979 I don't know any Satanist to ask or compare to. From what I've seen ans heard as I stated, Satanist worship Lucifer, who is the the Light Bearer or Bringer of Light. This is the main focus of worship which would mean, they are monotheistic and NOT Pagan. now I'm sure there are others who worship Beezellbub and the like. If this is their main deity, its still monotheistic.
@Shirotora1979 Not sure how there came to be a religious spin on a definition of a word! The definition I gave you is a correct one. Now I can see where judgmental religious sects would coin such a definition to serve themselves. Pagani..from Latin meant country dweller or one who lives from the land. Plain and simple. No religious connotations associated there. I gather your of the Christian following. I once was but no longer am. lets not confuse the actual meaning with a religious twist.
@CelticKnight369 the word was used in context to describe non romans .from this the use of the word became the description of non christian . pagan then became a term of outsider, denoting outside the roman order - outside the roman faith . later the exception was extended to abrehamic faiths , of judaism and islam. and all denominations of each. leaving the religious definition of paganism those faths not of the judao christian theology, preedating and outside christianity.
This was a very well thought out response and I'm glad to see people keep their cool in this. I made a video stressing the importance of inclusion and logic/reason/common sense within Wicca and Paganism.
Actually that is how many Christians see it but when your speaking from a religious viewpoint then its something very different. when it comes to satanist their views are wide and varried and while there are those who do worship the evil of Satan as we Christians understand him, they by far are in the minority. Many Satanist do not even belive in any type of God or deity and are atheist.
I have talked to this woman and I have nothing really against her personally but I frown slightly when I get called a Kindered or whatever simply because I follow a Celtic path. I, myself am Druid as all knows which is WAY diffrent then other Celtic paths in my opinion. I think things should be held in respect, in equality but just becomes some things might be simular or have some shared ideas or views doesn't make them the same.
Very well said Sighted Christian Rob LOL. I love how you put it in this video. I too am preparing to do a video responce to her. What is said is she forgets about the Athestic Wiccans and Pagans as well as Paganistic Satanists (I know its probably not a real word but work with me here please!!! LOL) I respect those who want to have their own paths but its sad when you forget about others who don't share your path who still belongs to the large family group of spiritual paths you do as well.
I think so but people have to understand that just because she doesn't agree with people doesn't mean they are not Pagan or Wiccan. If she wants to have her own path that is fine but to apply that to all of wicca or paganism to me is just wrong and goes against a lot of what Wiccans advocate..
I know for a FACT that there is at least one person mentioned in her video would not be flattered at all of her commentary in regards to their beliefs and this person actually doesn't even believe in diety
I did not know this at all. I just wanted to correct her and get clarification overall. I just don't like the idea of Be like me or eles or I am the example all X should follow.
Satinism while titles various denominations of belief . i think could more convincingly be described as a sect of the abrahamic religions . with sympathetic creation theories and afterlife destinations, at the core of satanism you have the followers and supporters of the fallen angels - theorising they fell from gods grace for a reason . and that reason being his couruption and tirentism. satanists are not "evil" by the christian definition by choice as they see the bible in a different light
OdonataPlague 10 months ago
@OdonataPlague Well it depends on the satanist your talking about. Most people who take the term to describe there beleif system are Atheist at the core. They take the term to meen to oppose and to upset Christians who won't actually talk to them. They see temselves as a "God" though not in the terms most would use the term god. I like your idea about it though. Very well thought out.
Shirotora1979 10 months ago
Satinism is not paganism . satinism isnt about "evil" it is an opposed perspective on the holy wars. basically name the 'evil' satin is revered as a god , having the power to defy gods will as an angel . and thus are followers of lucifer, supporters of his defiance to god and a renounce the propoganda sprouted by the church. however they do follow the thylogy and believe in the "panthion" of the abrihamic religion, and the choior of angels, paganism does not.
OdonataPlague 10 months ago
I don't see the referenced vid listed on her page. Kinda makes it difficult to judge or comment on without hearing what her side or view was.
CelticKnight369 11 months ago
@CelticKnight369 I think she took it down honestly. Btw the other comment were before this one. I am not arguing hugley here and like that your very polic and direct. Enjoy the conversation in all honesty.
Shirotora1979 11 months ago
The interesting thing is only Christians or people that believe in the Christian Bible can be Satanic. Why? No other religion has satan. The people calling themselves satanist do not believe in a satan, Some believe in a dark force and think it is "good." Some will use the imagery, but it's origin is Christian. Others just mock Christians and choose the Christian imagery of satan. Look up Anton LeVey and also the temple of Set to see what they believe, if you have not.
UFMD1 1 year ago
nice vid.
tersse 2 years ago
Yea :3
Shiro's a nice guy. Seems like one of the few, I'm afraid.
Tineafa 2 years ago
The definition of Christian to my understanding is anyone who believes in and follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. One who believes that he is the son of God. So a Christian can believe in other gods but as long as they only worship Jesus, they're not really a Pagan Christian. But they are polytheistic Christians.
Justinfh2point0 2 years ago
That fact that you strive to understand and tolerate other people's religions dimishes the stereotype that all Christians have blind faith.
Justinfh2point0 2 years ago
Yep but not too worried about it. It does happen and kinda think its an honor in ways. It helps the channels more then anything now. Btw EC you know I have no ill will towards you and if this ever happened to you would be their to help out myself.
Shirotora1979 2 years ago
@Shirotora1979
You def of Paganism is a wee bit off
WEBSTER define:
Definition of PAGAN
1
: heathen 1; especially : a follower of a polytheistic religion (as in ancient Rome) Also derived from Latin Pagani..dweller of the land
CelticKnight369 11 months ago
@Shirotora1979
Satanist believe in Satan..The Bringer of Light. he was a fallen arch Angel hence they are not Atheist. As you stated here, Atheist believe in no deity.
CelticKnight369 11 months ago
@CelticKnight369 Your right Atheist have no deity and neither do the majority of Satanist. Lavaian satanist don't believe in any deity and only beleive in themselves, hence they are atheist. I know quiet a few Satanist and have one as a good freind of mine. Now there are religous satanist who beleive in the Satan of the bible and have to agree with you there..then they are not pagan but they are far in the minority.
Shirotora1979 11 months ago
@Shirotora1979 Satanist are NOT Pagan. They believe in a fallen arch Angel which is described in the Bible. Followers of Jesus and the Apostles, does this make them Pagan because the honor Jesus or a certain Apostle here or there described in the Bible? Christian are Christians. Satanist are Satanist! NOT pagan!!!!!!!!!!!!
CelticKnight369 11 months ago
@CelticKnight369 Actually most Satanist are Atheist. They use the term as opposer not as in deity. They use the term to upset Christians who do not look into the term. Also Pagan is a very general term and does not apply to a specific group of beleifs. The historic meaning in religous terms is those who do not follow the Jewish God. Hence Jewish, Christian and even Muslims would not be pagan since they all beleive they follow the God of Abraham. Buddist, Shinto other would since they don't
Shirotora1979 11 months ago
@Shirotora1979 follow the god of Abraham. Now for me this not mean anything about their morality nor how they treat anyone. For me it just means they don't follow the god of Abraham and that is fine. Heck some of the most kind and respectful people I know are Atheist and "Pagan". One problem I do have with using Pagan as a catch all term is that it really doesn't tell anyone about your particular beleifs and people all the time try to use it to link beleifs togehter that have NOTHING in cont
Shirotora1979 11 months ago
@Shirotora1979 in common nor do they even worship the same deity/deties. They say well this group of pagans beleive this so ALL pagans must do...and I find that dishonest and plain wrong. They will find one group in history who did something (such as human sacrifice) and then apply it to everyone who is not a Christians. They are IMO idiots of they beleive that and just plain dishonest if they know that and say that stuff anyways.
Shirotora1979 11 months ago
@Shirotora1979 I don't know any Satanist to ask or compare to. From what I've seen ans heard as I stated, Satanist worship Lucifer, who is the the Light Bearer or Bringer of Light. This is the main focus of worship which would mean, they are monotheistic and NOT Pagan. now I'm sure there are others who worship Beezellbub and the like. If this is their main deity, its still monotheistic.
CelticKnight369 11 months ago
@CelticKnight369 So if your monotheistic then your not a Pagan? Not sure if that is what you mean or not.
Shirotora1979 11 months ago
@Shirotora1979 Not sure how there came to be a religious spin on a definition of a word! The definition I gave you is a correct one. Now I can see where judgmental religious sects would coin such a definition to serve themselves. Pagani..from Latin meant country dweller or one who lives from the land. Plain and simple. No religious connotations associated there. I gather your of the Christian following. I once was but no longer am. lets not confuse the actual meaning with a religious twist.
CelticKnight369 11 months ago
@CelticKnight369 the word was used in context to describe non romans .from this the use of the word became the description of non christian . pagan then became a term of outsider, denoting outside the roman order - outside the roman faith . later the exception was extended to abrehamic faiths , of judaism and islam. and all denominations of each. leaving the religious definition of paganism those faths not of the judao christian theology, preedating and outside christianity.
OdonataPlague 10 months ago
@OdonataPlague
[from Church Latin pāgānus civilian (hence, not a soldier of Christ), from Latin: countryman, villager, from pāgus village]
CelticKnight369 10 months ago
Thank you for that honestly.
Shirotora1979 2 years ago
This was a very well thought out response and I'm glad to see people keep their cool in this. I made a video stressing the importance of inclusion and logic/reason/common sense within Wicca and Paganism.
BlueFireWitch 2 years ago
Actually that is how many Christians see it but when your speaking from a religious viewpoint then its something very different. when it comes to satanist their views are wide and varried and while there are those who do worship the evil of Satan as we Christians understand him, they by far are in the minority. Many Satanist do not even belive in any type of God or deity and are atheist.
Shirotora1979 2 years ago
Great video, thanks you!
LiberLemniscus 2 years ago
I took off comment voting due to activity where people are just downrating comments so they can't be seen.
Shirotora1979 2 years ago
Nice to hear your opinion,Robert. Wether you like or agree with a certian group or not dosn't mean they aren't true(Insert lable here)
SweetNSourAngel 2 years ago
I have talked to this woman and I have nothing really against her personally but I frown slightly when I get called a Kindered or whatever simply because I follow a Celtic path. I, myself am Druid as all knows which is WAY diffrent then other Celtic paths in my opinion. I think things should be held in respect, in equality but just becomes some things might be simular or have some shared ideas or views doesn't make them the same.
AwensVoice 2 years ago
Very well said Sighted Christian Rob LOL. I love how you put it in this video. I too am preparing to do a video responce to her. What is said is she forgets about the Athestic Wiccans and Pagans as well as Paganistic Satanists (I know its probably not a real word but work with me here please!!! LOL) I respect those who want to have their own paths but its sad when you forget about others who don't share your path who still belongs to the large family group of spiritual paths you do as well.
AwensVoice 2 years ago
I agree on the defination on that but I think she was speaking about those that happen to agree her. I will be doing a video responce to her.
Mysticblue1212 2 years ago
I think so but people have to understand that just because she doesn't agree with people doesn't mean they are not Pagan or Wiccan. If she wants to have her own path that is fine but to apply that to all of wicca or paganism to me is just wrong and goes against a lot of what Wiccans advocate..
Shirotora1979 2 years ago
I know for a FACT that there is at least one person mentioned in her video would not be flattered at all of her commentary in regards to their beliefs and this person actually doesn't even believe in diety
AmberThinks 2 years ago
I did not know this at all. I just wanted to correct her and get clarification overall. I just don't like the idea of Be like me or eles or I am the example all X should follow.
Yes I know its strange for a Christian for that.
Shirotora1979 2 years ago
Spot on Robert and I am happy this video uploaded so quickly! I couldn't have said it better myself!
I hope you're having a great day as well! I was busy washing the walls lol!
AmberThinks 2 years ago