@slivovich Bud, I didn't make this up, the IIHF did this reasearch, so go give shit to them abt it. Since you said winning matters, we've won the Olympic Gold in '02 and '10,(somthing Brazil can't win in football) the World Cup in '04, those five stright yrs of WJrs titles in the first decade of this century, plus you got '72 in which Canada won and the Worlds as well. So don't lecture Canadians when we know winning. Wanna compare championships, then lets compare?
For some weird reason the Canadian players were happier to beat the Americans than the Russians. Canada does not have a higher level of hatred against the Russians than the Americans anymore. That's a fact. It has been like that for the last 20 years.
@BBQFanNo1 , gotta disagree, the Canadian/Us rivalry is based on the nations, the Canada/Russia rivalry is a Hockey rivalry which i prefer. As a hockey rivalry the Canada/Us rivalry sucks, usa hasnt won f@ck all to make it a rivalry
Players stronger Kharlamov was not, nor you in Canada or the USSR, it is foolish not to acknowledge and praise the cast of your players, in fact they were worse nego.Pochemu then he play with your superstars like bowling training, look full of video games and be convinced. Your players are always playing dirty hockey, because it matched the Soviet players.
Cut the crap Vadim! There were many guys in North America better that Harlamov. He was good but not the best at all! That's just your russian big mouth speaking :D
I was a 13 year old In 1972 thinking we were going to crush the soviets because of our canadian players, even though the WHA took away bobby hull, and bobby orr was hurt.
By game 4, we loved tretiack, kharalemov and yakushev. no long as we beat them..
To add to earlier discussion, here's my all-time Russian top 10. Note that I tend to give more credit for Soviet league and WC success and less for stuff like Canada Cups and Summit series - meaningless exhibitions. 1. Vsevolod Bobrov (maybe the greatest Soviet athlete, period) 2. Anatoli Firsov 3. Boris Mikhailov 4. Nikolai Sologubov 5. Sergei Makarov 6. Slava Starshinov 7. Valeri Kharlamov 8. Slava Fetisov 9. Evgeni Babich 10.Vladislav Tretiak Fedorov/Alexandrov very close.
WCs still had the top European players. You know, the kinds that dominate the NHL today. Should I give points off for NHL success because there were fewer Europeans? I can.
The Canada Cups I mentioned had the best Europeans in them and playing against one another, plus the best NA players. I know little of the NHL today, the players on your list seem to be from the 60s,70s & 80s. You should credit performance of players higher from Canada Cups.
To say that Canada Cups and '72 summit series is meaningless is just ridiculous.
The Canada Cups were exhibitions held strictly on Canadian ice with by and large biased refferreing. They were meaningless and that includes the '81 tournament. I enjoyed both of the summit series, but they don't even qualify as tournaments. As for the WCs, it would have been nice to have seen the best Canadian players there, but they were good as they were with the top European ones.
I've posted some Soviet hockey clips on my channel, including some Kharlamov footage. Great player, nice guy and had good looks to boot. Very popular amongst everyone, but not just because of how well he played - Kharlamov had a certain aura or presence about him. You just knew that he was a special person and being that way has little to do with just athletic ability. It's about heart and just downright goodness of the soul - he had this and he inspired the entire country.
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Great player, but not as good as Bobrov or Firsov or even Makarov for that matter. Kharlamov is remembered much due to the halo effect that's developed after his tragic death - much like Roberto Clemente.
Not for a short period of time - about 5-6 years he was incredible. After that he fell off a bit for reasons already mentioned. Meanwhile guys like Boris Mikhailov put up similarly great numbers, but for longer periods of time. Why isn't Mikhailov in the hall? In my opinion, it's the halo effect and Kharlamov's more flashy play in 1972.
To compare any hockey team in history with those that the Soviets put on the ice from 1954 through 1992 is about as idiotic, as trying to compare a quarter horse with Seattle Slew or Secretariat. No offense to quarter horses of course. They are wonderful animals. But, they are simply over matched. Just like anyone who ever went up against the Soviet hockey dynasty. By the way, you totally misspelled the "F" word!!!
The only flaw out of that "dynasty" is that they only won just a small handful of overtime games that was just under one hand and lost more. The IIHF did a research on which country won when it mattered the most. And Canada came out on top with 70 percent of overtime wins and the rest of the hockey world only 30%. Any team can win it in regulation, sudden death is different.
Research!? You do realise that matters always a win not loss. Everyone remembered by win not loss, you achieve goals by win not loss. And you win by WIN not loss. Who gives a crap about research!? If you win then you win!
Interesting list... I wonder why have you mentioned Lemieux and have forgotten Gretzky? I think he should be considered as one of the best 3 players of all time (anyone can sort them in the order they like).
My most favorite were:
1. Kharlamov
2. Gretzky
3. Tretiak.
Also, you've forgotten our "Professor" -- Igor Larionov
Who is myopic? The whole NHL is nothing else than myopia, but what the heck. Bobby Orr was a great player anyhow. Way better than Wayne Gretzky at least.
My apologies about omitting Firsov. However, Kamensky probably wasn't top 10, mainly due to the injuries he suffered. Petrov was the center on the greatest line of all time.
But the three best players from Sweden was: Sven "Tumba" Johansson, Ulf Sterner and Börje Salming. Sweden also had a very good goaltender, namely Leif "Honken" Holmqvist. He's an icon in Sweden.
You hockey knowledge is pretty amazing to say the least. Where would Peter Forsberg compare to "Honken" Holmqvist.
Unfortunately I wasn't old enough to see most of the players I listed (I'm 29 and lived in US for the past 17 years), but the first time I saw Makarov (around '84-'85) I "fell in love" with the man. Great player, great sportsmanship! He never missed on a breakaway.
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@slivovich Bud, I didn't make this up, the IIHF did this reasearch, so go give shit to them abt it. Since you said winning matters, we've won the Olympic Gold in '02 and '10,(somthing Brazil can't win in football) the World Cup in '04, those five stright yrs of WJrs titles in the first decade of this century, plus you got '72 in which Canada won and the Worlds as well. So don't lecture Canadians when we know winning. Wanna compare championships, then lets compare?
Maxie1111 2 weeks ago
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Maxie1111 2 weeks ago
He should of played in the NHL and the he wouldn't of died. Russia is a bad league.
avalanchesuperstar 1 month ago
КРАСАВА !!!! на все времена !!!!! после ухода поколения хоккеистов СССР хоккей лично для меня не интересен
11sportsmen 2 months ago
Unless you are Don Cherry.
For some weird reason the Canadian players were happier to beat the Americans than the Russians. Canada does not have a higher level of hatred against the Russians than the Americans anymore. That's a fact. It has been like that for the last 20 years.
BBQFanNo1 1 year ago
@BBQFanNo1 , gotta disagree, the Canadian/Us rivalry is based on the nations, the Canada/Russia rivalry is a Hockey rivalry which i prefer. As a hockey rivalry the Canada/Us rivalry sucks, usa hasnt won f@ck all to make it a rivalry
Love4SK 11 months ago
RIP.
bornovalov 1 year ago
King K
trd9999 1 year ago
CSKA - The central sports club of army
ziggi116rus 1 year ago
InnocentWar1, спасибо за поддержку.Тебе тоже привет из России!
2209Vadim 1 year ago
i played CSKA red army junior 1997 hokey team in chicago Nike Bauer invitational tournament they are pretty good
iiB3aS7 1 year ago
Зашибись машинка в конце.А главное как кстати.
Chuvirrla 1 year ago
я считаю, что его портрет в музее хоккейной славы в Торонто это неправильно. таким вертуозам ставят памятники на центральных площадях городов.
OLEGfmRUS 1 year ago
Канада ЛОХИ!!!LOHi!!!
2209Vadim 2 years ago
Players stronger Kharlamov was not, nor you in Canada or the USSR, it is foolish not to acknowledge and praise the cast of your players, in fact they were worse nego.Pochemu then he play with your superstars like bowling training, look full of video games and be convinced. Your players are always playing dirty hockey, because it matched the Soviet players.
2209Vadim 2 years ago
Хоккей в СССР был на высоте. И играли чисто!
2790213 2 years ago 2
Лучше Валеры в хоккей не играл никто, он игрой доказывал, что он лучший, а не провокациями и драками, как хвалёные канадские звёзды.
2209Vadim 2 years ago 11
Cut the crap Vadim! There were many guys in North America better that Harlamov. He was good but not the best at all! That's just your russian big mouth speaking :D
ReVox777 2 years ago
Would you name a few please?
slivovich 1 year ago
@2209Vadim Так верно, так верно. Привет из Швеции.
InnocentWar1 1 year ago
Russian superhero like Tom Cruise
But Real Hero
RIP
Jam1C 2 years ago 6
Rip Kharlamov, truly one of the best ever.
Tantalis77 2 years ago 33
Canada Cup = cheating on Russia.....
Imschnee 2 years ago 3
I was a 13 year old In 1972 thinking we were going to crush the soviets because of our canadian players, even though the WHA took away bobby hull, and bobby orr was hurt.
By game 4, we loved tretiack, kharalemov and yakushev. no long as we beat them..
counterpointdude 2 years ago
he is coming over my house my grandfather knows him!
therazsourhour 2 years ago
chapaev36 3 years ago
Tretiak is way too low
leafsgirl41 2 years ago
"...WC success..."
Never did WC have all the best players (pre-1988?) participating, therefore close to meaningless.
1972 summit series,'76,'81,'84,'87 Canada Cups had almost always the best players involved, though these tournaments had their flaws.
bbso8cu9 2 years ago
WCs still had the top European players. You know, the kinds that dominate the NHL today. Should I give points off for NHL success because there were fewer Europeans? I can.
chapaev36 2 years ago
The Canada Cups I mentioned had the best Europeans in them and playing against one another, plus the best NA players. I know little of the NHL today, the players on your list seem to be from the 60s,70s & 80s. You should credit performance of players higher from Canada Cups.
To say that Canada Cups and '72 summit series is meaningless is just ridiculous.
bbso8cu9 2 years ago 2
The Canada Cups were exhibitions held strictly on Canadian ice with by and large biased refferreing. They were meaningless and that includes the '81 tournament. I enjoyed both of the summit series, but they don't even qualify as tournaments. As for the WCs, it would have been nice to have seen the best Canadian players there, but they were good as they were with the top European ones.
chapaev36 2 years ago
I know he's known mosly for Soccer, but Lev Yashin should be on there, just because he's that cool
IhatePatrickRoy 2 years ago
I've posted some Soviet hockey clips on my channel, including some Kharlamov footage. Great player, nice guy and had good looks to boot. Very popular amongst everyone, but not just because of how well he played - Kharlamov had a certain aura or presence about him. You just knew that he was a special person and being that way has little to do with just athletic ability. It's about heart and just downright goodness of the soul - he had this and he inspired the entire country.
chapaev36 3 years ago
Ovechkin >>> every other Russian
leafsgirl41 3 years ago
Did I say that Roberto's a bad player? No, I clearly didn't. Back to elementary school for you.
chapaev36 3 years ago
kharlamov bil VELIKI khokeist!Ego Obozhali!Tsarstvo nebesnoe!
elgirl6390 3 years ago
Bobby Orr
pklmlynn 3 years ago
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Great player, but not as good as Bobrov or Firsov or even Makarov for that matter. Kharlamov is remembered much due to the halo effect that's developed after his tragic death - much like Roberto Clemente.
chapaev36 4 years ago
I think Kharlamov was very good for a short period of time (early 70s), but his career was ravaged with injuries and then, finally, death.
djob2676 4 years ago 3
Not for a short period of time - about 5-6 years he was incredible. After that he fell off a bit for reasons already mentioned. Meanwhile guys like Boris Mikhailov put up similarly great numbers, but for longer periods of time. Why isn't Mikhailov in the hall? In my opinion, it's the halo effect and Kharlamov's more flashy play in 1972.
chapaev36 3 years ago
lol go to slep usa boy
tompa666 3 years ago
Anyone know where I can find this game? And I mean the full version, if possible.
bSrOiAaDn 4 years ago
Bobby played 3 yrs more after that ship went down,
Maxie1111 4 years ago
You know the unique thing about this, Orr and Kharlamov never played against each other, so we can't who is better.
Maxie1111 4 years ago 2
hier is my allstar team from 70s i have born 1984
goalie vladislav tretjak cccp
defense valeri vasilijev urs-börje salming swe
petrov-harlamov-mihailov
josatinho 4 years ago
To compare any hockey team in history with those that the Soviets put on the ice from 1954 through 1992 is about as idiotic, as trying to compare a quarter horse with Seattle Slew or Secretariat. No offense to quarter horses of course. They are wonderful animals. But, they are simply over matched. Just like anyone who ever went up against the Soviet hockey dynasty. By the way, you totally misspelled the "F" word!!!
SWALE1984 4 years ago 2
The only flaw out of that "dynasty" is that they only won just a small handful of overtime games that was just under one hand and lost more. The IIHF did a research on which country won when it mattered the most. And Canada came out on top with 70 percent of overtime wins and the rest of the hockey world only 30%. Any team can win it in regulation, sudden death is different.
Maxie1111 4 years ago
Research!? You do realise that matters always a win not loss. Everyone remembered by win not loss, you achieve goals by win not loss. And you win by WIN not loss. Who gives a crap about research!? If you win then you win!
slivovich 1 year ago
1. Kharlamov.
2. Kharlamov.
3. Kharlamov.
DimulyaNeP 4 years ago
Interesting list... I wonder why have you mentioned Lemieux and have forgotten Gretzky? I think he should be considered as one of the best 3 players of all time (anyone can sort them in the order they like).
My most favorite were:
1. Kharlamov
2. Gretzky
3. Tretiak.
Also, you've forgotten our "Professor" -- Igor Larionov
igorzee 4 years ago
EXCELLENT CHOICES!
Here are mine:
1. TRETIAK
2. KHARLAMOV
3. MIKHAILOV
4. FETISOV
5. GRETZKY
6. FEDEROV
7. LARIONOV
SWALE1984 4 years ago
You Forgot Orr.
Maxie1111 4 years ago
bobby orr was the best. C'mon, don't be myopic....even if you're russian :(
shastilivy 4 years ago
Who is myopic? The whole NHL is nothing else than myopia, but what the heck. Bobby Orr was a great player anyhow. Way better than Wayne Gretzky at least.
dunbunter 4 years ago 2
He was one of the two best players ever. The best is Alexander Maltsev.
dunbunter 4 years ago
And Sergei Makarov. The 3 of them are the best ever. No question there. Question is, in what order
alsukharsky 4 years ago
1. Alexander Maltsev
2. Valery Kharlamov
3. Sergey Makarov
хороший результат
dunbunter 4 years ago
4. Tret'yak
5. Fetisov
6. Bobrov
7. Mihailov
8. Yakushev
9. Ragulin
10. Vasiliev
...
30. Lemieux
dunbunter, vi otkuda?
alsukharsky 4 years ago
I would like to have Anatoly Firsov listed instead of Tretyak. Tretyak is number one of goaltenders. Another great player was Petrov and Kamensky.
ja svetsky!
dunbunter 4 years ago
My apologies about omitting Firsov. However, Kamensky probably wasn't top 10, mainly due to the injuries he suffered. Petrov was the center on the greatest line of all time.
alsukharsky 4 years ago
I also liked Sergey Kapustin. Maybe he wasn't as skilful with the puck as Kharlamov and Maltsev, but he was a competent player.
dunbunter 4 years ago
I'm a BIG Lidstrom and Sundin fan. Both are very underrated in today's hockey.
alsukharsky 4 years ago
But the three best players from Sweden was: Sven "Tumba" Johansson, Ulf Sterner and Börje Salming. Sweden also had a very good goaltender, namely Leif "Honken" Holmqvist. He's an icon in Sweden.
dunbunter 4 years ago
You hockey knowledge is pretty amazing to say the least. Where would Peter Forsberg compare to "Honken" Holmqvist.
Unfortunately I wasn't old enough to see most of the players I listed (I'm 29 and lived in US for the past 17 years), but the first time I saw Makarov (around '84-'85) I "fell in love" with the man. Great player, great sportsmanship! He never missed on a breakaway.
alsukharsky 4 years ago
I'm sorry that I might have forgotten Peter Forsberg, but I didn't compare "Honken" with the others. A goaltender is a goaltender.
dunbunter 4 years ago
many in russia consider him as the best player on earht that ever was. but he died in car incident
maksim82tallin 4 years ago
Kharlamov is a tank
DimulyaNeP 4 years ago