Quantum Tunneling, An Explanation

[red00devil]

is it false then that the fusion in the sun happens because of the immense gravitational forces due to the large mass of the sun? I'm not refuting anything... just curious...

[Mal1234567]

Particles of matter behave like waves until they are placed under observation. The instruments being used to measure the particles do not affect the outcome, everything has been ruled out as a causal mechanism except the observation itself. Calling it a particle-wave is just our way of shrugging our shoulders and saying, "It really is neither one, or perhaps it is both, until we find out by observing the result."

[ActiveStorage]

@Mal1234567so why cant we say that matter always behaves like some sort of wave-form and there is no duality involved, and the very mechanics of our observational methods (there is one fundamental observational methodology that we use today) re-interpret or better say misinterpret matter as particles?

[mignik01]

@ActiveStorage because there are some other properties which can only be explained if matter behaves as particles, like mass or spin.

[ActiveStorage]

@mignik01 wrong. mass and spin have never been explained. theyve been observed and described. Not explained.

ps and the fact that matter is made of particles doesnt explain it anyway

[Mal1234567]

@ActiveStorage because there is no interpretation reqjuired. in a double split experiment the screen at the other end shows (directly and not indirectly) either a diffraction smear if the detector is turned off, or a particle smear if the detector is turned on. Since the detector does not physically affect the quanta themselves, it seems as if the quanta know when they are being observed by a detector and behave like particles.

[ActiveStorage]

@Mal1234567 whatched the double split experiment cartoon on youtube yet? You clearly dont know much about the detectors and how they function

peace

[Mal1234567]

@ActiveStorage I've seen that cartoon, I've seen other videos on the net. The presence or absence of a detector makes all the difference. 

[ActiveStorage]

@Mal1234567 clearly you are not reading my posts. im saying that the way we build detectors to detect elemental particles makes all the difference. not presence or absence of one.

[Mal1234567]

@ActiveStorage Clearly, you asked me if I watched a cartoon and then you stated that I don't know much about detectors and how they function. But it doesn' t matter if you use Piers Anthony's macroscope as the detector, it doesn't matter if you have Superman's super vision, the results are the same. Detection itself changes the particle smear.

[ActiveStorage]

@Mal1234567 thanks, i remember what i asked you and yes you dont know much about the detection technology)

otherwise you wouldnt make this post about "Piers Anthony's macroscope" and "Superman's super vision"

lol

[Mal1234567]

@ActiveStorage Experiments over the last 2-3 years have shown that the type of detection equipment is irrelevant to the outcome.

[ActiveStorage]

@Mal1234567 orly? and what are these types you are talking about? ))

[idiosynkrass]

so,sunlight is an anomaly?

[robabzpdx]

Please have to balloon with your website disappear during the video. It is very distracting

[sreynolds2]

@robabzpdx i agree but you can get rid of it if you click the little red speech bubble in the bottom right hand corner :)

[gamalieli]

There's an energy distribution at all temperatures so there's nothing miraculous about some molecule having more energy than others and fusing. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle is a consequence of the wave particle duality of matter and since we don't know where a wave will convert into a particle there is uncertainty. If the wave form of particles can overlap than there can be fusion. I just don't think we should make things more complicated than they are.

[mignik01]

@gamalieli well tunneling is observed not only in the sun. ur USB drive actually makes use of tunneling when it is erasing data. there is a new touch screen technology coming out on the basis of tunneling, quntum tunneling is huge in quantum mechanics. its just that most people dont know about it.

[Temari1o8]

Though you have explained it very well and simple, could you expand on it just a little more.

more specifically (it has been explained to travel through time), how is it related to time traveling? is it possible to go into the past/future? how is this (in theory) possible?

[KiranGlitch]

the start of that music is the start of the video "Cubicle Karl" by Aniboom

[ActiveStorage]

so why does the whole hydrogen atom gets through the barrier? shouldn't it be just a single proton from this probability cloud getting through while leaving the hydrogen atom on the other side?

[InsaneProject]

Isn't a hydrogen atom a single proton?

[ActiveStorage]

lol. good point thanks I guess i was thinking about electron probability cloud not proton. My bad

maybe atoms are standing waves. not particles.? imho

[Huzz]

they are both waves and particles simultaneously.

[Avogadro1988]

yes, it is, with one electron, and those with 2 and 3 are called deutrium and tritrium. (in dutch)... what he is saying is that it is indeed a hydrogen atom, but he is explaining the concept of the probability cloud, and there fore in the regions of low propobility where the hydrogen can be , it can appear on the other side of the barrier, how exactly it goes through, is simple, i believe since matter is made up of 99.99999999% empty space, it can go through the vaccuum in between the matter

[mignik01]

@ActiveStorage there is a probability cloud for the proton, neutron and the electron.

[ActiveStorage]

@mignik01 yet we treat the atom as a whole when quantum tunneling takes place. my initial concern was why do we contradict ourselves? why dont we treat the whole atom as some form of complex probability cloud?

[mignik01]

@ActiveStorage we do treat atom as a probability cloud, the representation shown on the screen is a probability cloud.

[ActiveStorage]

@mignik01 yes we do treat atom as a probability cloud now. But weve been treating atoms as particles for thousands of years before that. Im simply saying that there is no real need for concept of duality. We treat atoms as particles cause it was the most simple and obvious thing human mind could think of and describe back then.

[mignik01]

@ActiveStorage well the existence of atoms were settled once and for all by einstein when he studied brownian motion. he said that the small grains moved like they have been hit by minute particles.

The duality is a bit hard to explain in this limited space that youtube provides. I suggest "In search of Schrodinger's Cat" for a start. Great book in my opinion.

[cyberdaemon]

I actually liked the idea of plasma universe or electric universe.

[graymic]

I actually get your version reading these complicated terminologies without having seen the visualisations i wasnt able to have a clue what was going on, but seeing it aswell as hearing it i was able to understand what you were getting at. :)

[donylee]

Think I got to make a small correction, if I am correct.

I don't think the probability density of the tennis ball tunneling through the barrier is correct. What you have shown is simply the bottom half of the atoms making up the ball passing the barrier. Instead, I would think the probability of the ball passing the barrier is the product of all the transmission coefficients of each atom.

[Vikki45600]

What the......?

This confused me..

I still don't understand this. Lmao.