@0911926166 The 1980 controversy arose from a difference in opinion about a contestant, 22-year-old Yugoslavian pianist Ivo Pogorelić, and his openly provocative style of interpretation and behavior on the stage, developed into a worldwide scandal. The jury divided into two groups: those who found his playing unacceptable, and those who were enthusiastic or at least approving of his performance. Source: Wikipedia
March 2010 ... in Jerusalem -- loved seeing and hearing this amazing artist. Sad that some of the audience was busy talking. I think he handled them quite properly.
I had hoped to meet him after his concert but the mood made it impossible. I feel blessed to have been there!!!
@1Thompsonmusic Are you autistic? Why this offensive response? I gave you an example of Richter's playing to prove my point, why don't you reply like an adult (and musiclover ofcourse)? You may not believe it, but I am interested in why you think that Richter is a bad pianist.
he came third (I think) because of his "abnormal" and provocative playing. Although parts of the jury (like Argerich) found this ingenius, others did not agree.. Shame
@8BlueSkies Odd, I don't even remember typing that comment, and can't figure out what I meant either... But I can say I'm a fan of him and I think he should've won at least haha
@yubito25 Because he realised there was going to be a comparison with Horowitz version. Horowitz version is impossible to better! You can play different or slower of course. But better - No way!
This is a recording from a Chopin Competition in Warsaw 1980 (I was then in high school):). Ivo was way too easy going for the jury to pass and to take the First Prize. It was quite a big scandal as he was banned (Martha Argerich refused to stay in the Jury as a protest).
easy going? Look at his dresscode (no suit on the International Festival?). For them it was very extravagant. Also they had many objections as of his interpretation of Chopin.
I agree! He IS a great artist! It's really hard to understand what I wrote before (about the scandal at the Competition) if you don't know what the communist system was, how was it influencing minds and spirits and how great achievement it was to free Europe from this crap 30 years ago (btw. it all started in Poland - not in Berlin :)
@afertyus1000, the Romany peasant curse "dylyny" is misspelled and in the plural here. It's 'dilina', ok? A bit like saying "Afertyus is a flatulent, odious pygmies". Now run away and get a prescription for your Tourette's ;)
it wasnt cause of political reasons!!, it was because of some not based rubatos ore even wrong phrasings!, in the scherzo number 3 he barely used pedal
you mutt...if you get a chance to pull your wanker out of that sheep that you're screwing.....only then you'll find the time to go and ask him yourself. I forgive you for being stupid.
Unlike you, and among other occasions, I spoke with him during 1987 concert in Sava Center (its in Belgrade, if you are born after 75s)...
So, if you would be so kind, for your own sake and image, please ask him yourself... Because. what you said, is a great insult to his personality, and every (ex)Yugoslavian...
Leave your petty nationalism at home, don't label people with it, behind their backs...
When someone was born from 1945 till 1992 in ground of Yugoslavia, legally they are born Yugoslavs...
On the other hand he was born in Belgrade, had father 'Croat' (pre-war nationality) and mother 'Serbian' (pre-war nationality) who were now Yugoslavs...
As a true communist you should be smarter than to defend any approach to communism after the second world war.
Economic factor is not a measure of success, it is a mere display of Yugoslavia connections with the western world.
What is legal is determined by the laws given by the same state, of course they will put any children as yugoslav. If you interpret this as nationalistic, you are truly stuck up, i didn't even use the term croatian, or bosnian,...
"i didn't even use the term..." And who are you my friend? I never saw you even post in this video, let alone to me...
You need to read better, what I wrote, but I need to answer nonetheless -Indeed if measure of success was Western connection as you say, we should be THRIVING now under 'free market' republics in Balkans! But we are only sinking deeper and deeper.
No my friend, its not me who is an apologist of semi-socialist times, but it is you who are apologist of these crooked times...
if I see a sheep walking to the cliff I warn her, i she doesn't listen, I push her.
these times, crooked or not, are a fruit of the same principles on which stands your personal believes.
these times hold the greatest liberty ever on the face of this earth. never have you been so free to say what you please, to make love in the streets, to dance on the lake of flame!
instead you seek inert approval, a self-implying acceptance in this world. This world you have to earn.
So you will push a sheep, even as she can't understand you, and she went there for better pasture? What are you saying friend? Who filled your little head with so much hate and bitterness?
But let us forget this borderline juvenile statements, and try to make something out of your ranting.
"these times, crooked or not", I don't even have to read more, and I can conclude that you can't be older then 20 years.
Cliffs don't have pastures. And I'm not pushing her, I'm helping her, at least in her mind. And mine. After all, I am no god. I know, hard to believe, but extremely true.
People can take one click and see that I'm 18, so I see no point. You can pass by 10 000 goats and you wouldn't know anything more about them. Experience means nothing. At least the one measured in years.
Don't play straw man arguments on my statements. Its generally known that age is connected in experience in a way that while your mind is developing, you are unable to observe certain aspects and paradigms of thought, not to mention universal lack of knowledge and practice... This is being obvious since early philosophical writings, and every elementary student knows and have been taught.
Your reasoning and knowledge reminds me of the high school one, that is being taught in westernized societies. Analyzing communist methods for classless society from capitalist point of view. You see my friend, what is hospital without a doctor is just an empty buildings, and what is hospital without a cleaning service, its a lair of diseases. Its not for you to speculate the weight and quality of someone's work, when they are interconnected and are main corner stone of advanced society.
I am sorry, but I cannot accept that every job is equal. If you are asking me would I rather be a doctor or a cleaning lady for the same money. I would be a cleaning lady. No one sees his purpose in perfecting himself in what he wants to be. We are beings, existential creatures, not cleaners or doctors. It's not the same.
Yes, I am thought in a high school (thank goodness), and my analysis is cheap and westernized, but still standing. Ours is just childish.
Main motive in capitalist society is money-profit. Your job, your emotions, your connections, your power revolves around it. Your dreams, your creativity, your own personal happiness comes second after money. If you have enough money (which many of us don't), you can skip the money acquiring part, and get to the personal enjoyment, expansion of your personality...etc
You have only known that side of experience, working for profit, cause you haven't experienced anything different. Pleasure in work is what becomes present when motive that connects work for income dissipates. You have just proved my point even deeper. Of course you won't find happiness (most of the time) in working in these times.
On the other hand, you can visit Cuba (among other places) and ask/see/feel there, to see the difference (in almost every aspect). I know I have, I advise you too.
Here is everything I have to say. Communism is not fitted for mankind. Rousseau predicted human as first a rational, and then being that belongs to this earth. Theoretically completely correct, but then, so is solipsism.
Man are not led by logos, but by desire. A hungry man won't ask if you could give him the food you find extra, he will put it in his mouth.
It is childish to assume that humans are as mechanical as the world they saw by that time.
How dare you make such bold assumptions as "They all had the ideal communism as a role-model." when you have proven countless times that you know nothing about your society that you live in, or even more, about communists?
Do I need to remind you that Cuba is still under economic embargo, that it resisted invasions, countless assassinations ( succeed and failed), Mass media propaganda war...etc And this is only Cuba. And it survived and evolved still, and its socially most advanced in the world
You said it perfectly, human is lead by its desires. If you ever studied psychology, you will see that there are several levels of desires, from primary ones of survival, expansion of specie, security of offspring, to the expansions of his own self, creativity...etc And communism is surviving to this day, its is constantly reviving itself, even with all suppression by the ruling classes, only because it represents the desires to the fullest for the working classes (be that manager or garbageman)
So? It is still a one mans desire that includes one and only one man. They would no longer be desires if they formed in a class. Primary ones are the most determinable ones, any occasional positive outcome is just a show that primary desires are temporarily fulfilled.
As soon as the transformation started new, individual desires would come up to start all over again. We may have same desires, but they all shout I, I, I, not we, we, we. We seek fulfilling of our own desires.
Every 'we' is a sum of 'I' . People unite in common causes because it helps them prevail better/faster. If people never united, we would never evolve as animals we were. Main point is, we loose more by not being united, then by being united. I would like you to tell me, practically, what would we gain by your nihilistic selfish view on this matter? You can keep this very vague, but it will serve no one.
Communism, Socialism never destroys individual, it dwells on it, because without individuals there would be no common will for change. Only one who wants to destroy the individual is this present class society. Who seeks to destroy you mentally and if needed physically, that is something you can't even defend from far.
All that man starts has a beginning somewhere. If the beginning can be demolished in such way that it leads to the known, it must be a mistake at the beginning. But, I am probably underestimating the human capability to mess up. So, if the individual rules, what is there to demolished by him. He cant demolish himself. Maybe that's the beginning?
Cuba... Your fort, huh?
I'm currently reading about it. Doesn't seem so grand. Maybe it's the freedom for rich to bribe wikipedia you talked about.
Cuba, where have I been in, and Cuba what you heard on news and are reading, is totally different reality. But you must really like to throw vague opinions around because you already know that. You have never had talk with a reporter in your life, nor have you ever talked business to a businessmen, at least you alleged presentations here draw that conclusion.
Yugoslavia had work camps too, ask those students and people that were involved there... Please don't make assumptions that you don't even understand, let alone are able to backup with anything. There is a sharp difference when you are insulting someone with this kind of behavior and when you are trying to learn/debate/ask.
Yes, on 4 comments I'm able to dissolve your personality that you are projecting in this youtube account, the one that you are representing yourself. I have no intention of probing beyond that, it serves no purpose.
You are making childish assumptions that I only have witnessed in young people, and those that don't like to think about anything 'too hard', let lone read what is written.
Your empirical statements are juvenile, my young friend, you not only lack life experiences and different world views, but you want to be a teacher of the same...
Listening to you, is like listening radio Free Europe, except that first sentence, I couldn't sense any creativity and non-superficiality in your words...
I didn't say anything against communism.I am only against political stand such as yours.
Why would someone go to school for 20 years to operate on peoples live everyday to have the same paycheck as a communal worker.We would be stuck in a land of communal workers.
"If salvation was at hand, and when it wouldn't take much effort to find it, how would it be possible that everyone is neglecting it. But all enlightened things are as hard as they are rare."
With your 'communal paycheck' you can do whatever you wanted to do, buy a car, go to vacations, around the world, expand your hobbies, live your life without any monetary restrictions. Thats the goal of that society. Its no more - advancing into some job just because it pays well, but because I like it. Also in every other aspect of human evolution. They haven't told you that did they? A 'small' overlook as always isn't it?
But listen, would you like to have a mans life in hand every day, with all the responsibility, crying relatives and all on your back. Hell no, I'd be picking up daisy's on the creek.
If there was moral in this world it would be such, it is childish to expect such morality from a man. Even laws have predicted corruption, that's why judges HAVE to have big paychecks.
Majority of the world and people strive for that, the point that you haven't traveled anywhere where people struggle for their life is your own problem and lack of it. Luckily, advancement waits for no one, as world events prove it beyond doubt.
P.S.
That nonsense about same job pays isn't said by any communist. Its a raw vulgarly simplified extract from statement that I presented.
Excuse me, but what does then The same opportunities for all stand, if not same paychecks.
Even though we are "civilized", the most important role of the state is the money. Governments fall because of the state budget. It's happening in Croatia, nobody stood when a wave of violence went through the streets, but now, when paychecks are falling...
You can't simplify humans like that. We are not completely rational beings.
Socialist society, as one of its effects is removal of that system, where you don't need to worry if you are going to be hungry tomorrow, or will have roof above your head, money to pay your education, a good job that you don't like but brings enough money...etc On the other hand, if you read carefully, you will see that I don't have against if paychecks are different, as long as the person with lowest of them all, will be able to enjoy (to have same equality-liberty of choice) as the rest do.
But then,following simple line, every man according to his abilities, where his children WILL HAVE TO EARN just as hard as they parents did, making all man equal (read:equal in freedom) from the day they born, and during their life, and end. In what way are they going to expand themselves (use their skills) and use that freedom, is completely rested on their shoulders.
If you read this carefully, you will understand that only problem that you had, is lack of information about this affair.
What do you even know about present state of development, let alone in historical context. You are going out of your league making bold assumptions like this.
I just need to mention Cuba, Venezuela, Kerala West Bengal and Tripura states in India, DPRK, Belarus...etc And lot more on their way: Russia, Bolivia, Nepal, Zimbabwe, Libya, Algeria...etc etc etc
And countless more which were destroyed by external enemies in 20 century
So while you thinking inside a little box, a war never ended here.
Again your mouth is faster then your brain. They (countries) represent answer to your statement: "It is ideal, but not suited to mankind. At least in this state of development. Every attempt of realizing...etc"
They represent advancement towards classless society, as you said, nothing comes overnight does it? Heed yourself once, and be coherent.
A country where ownership divides people into classes, where one class have total power over the other one is nothing more then totalitarianism. The most democratic bourgeois republic is no more than a machine for the suppression of the working class by the bourgeoisie.
For practical primer, even in the most democratic bourgeois republic 'freedom of assembly' is a hollow phrase, for the rich have the best public and private buildings at their disposal, and enough leisure to assemble at meetings, which are protected by the bourgeois machine of power.
Or 'Freedom of the press' is another of the principal slogans of 'pure democracy'. And here, too, the workers know that this freedom is a deception because the best printing presses and the biggest stocks of paper are appropriated by the capitalists, and while capitalist rule over the press remains -- a rule that is manifested throughout the whole world all the more strikingly, sharply and cynically - the more democracy and the republican system are developed, as in America for example...
The capitalists have always use the term 'freedom' to mean freedom for the rich to get richer and for the workers to starve to death. And capitalist usage, freedom of the press means freedom of the rich to bribe the press, freedom to use their wealth to shape and fabricate so-called public opinion.
I think it was Ogi i buba Švabe, ali oni nisu nikad pričali.
To be clear, you overly simplify. What truth is there to be found by the press that is so vital and crucial? Hitler rose from the pissed grave again? I'll call Buffy.
To be clear, what role of the press so you see? Just to be sure.
As you know, idea of the presses today, is same to one of the Television and internet. Inform, entertain, teach, and not mixing their aspects in one pile, making it perfect vague propaganda tool.
Are you mocking me? Freedom of assembly, you don't know what is that? Even you mentioned Wikipedia, look it up there. Don't play straw man arguments on me. Its one of the most powerful political tools in this society and you don't EVEN know it...
And, of course, communism is the answer. I haven't seen it, I haven't touched it, I haven't tasted it, but I know it's there... It's more like a religion than an ideology if you think about it.
You don't have a real answer, do you? You only have a perfect mind creation with which you can spit and disgust over entire world. Except Cuba, of course. Do you have any valid source of Cuba information, because all information I could find were worse than the capitalist countries. Work camps in 60s...
This reminds me of a cartoon I adored when I was a child. Someone tries to step on a bug, but the bug just bounces of and shouts "Together, we will take off the chains the oppressing bourgeoisie!" in the most adorable way.
I cant remember the name, I'll try to find it and inform you if I do ;) I hope you catch my drift ;) ;)
1st Are Communists seeking to make everyone equal?
-The abolishment of classes and inequality of wealth are sought but not identical intellectual and physical faculties.
Now let me explain. Concept of equality is a most absurd and stupid prejudice if it does not imply the abolition of classes. Bourgeois professors attempted to use the concept 'equality' as grounds for accusing us of wanting all men to be alike. They themselves invented this absurdity and wanted to ascribe it to the socialists.
Because by equality, Marxism means, not equalisation of personal requirements and everyday life, but the abolition of classes: -the equal emancipation of all working people from exploitation after the capitalists have been overthrown and expropriated - the equal abolition for all of private property in the means of production after they have been converted into the property of the whole of society
-the equal duty of all to work according to their ability, and the equal right of all working people to receive in return for this according to the work performed (socialist society)
There can be no equality so long as one has plenty of any other commodity and the other has none.
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2nd question, Aren't Marxists attempting to create a heaven on earth? (to be vague but direct)
-Existence and life are a journey not an arrival. Man will never attain a utopian society in which all problems have been resolved, although Communsts do constantly seek to improve the majority's welfare. It is in the nature of heaven that problems are nonexistent and everything is perfect. Marxism denies both possibilities. One can only wonder what people do in heaven since everything is perfect and all problems have vanished.
To carry out any form of activity would be to alter that which is perfect and make it less than perfect. On the other hand, to just sit and stare for an eternity sounds more like hell than heaven.
Let me explain this even more.The worker cannot fail to see that he is oppressed by capital, that his struggle has to be waged against the bourgeois class.
And this struggle, aimed at satisfying his immediate economic needs, at improving his material conditions, inevitably demands that the workers organize, and inevitably becomes a war not against individuals, but against a class, the class which oppresses and crushes the working people not only in the factories, but everywhere.
The modern class-conscious worker... enlightened by urban life, contemptuously casts aside religious prejudices, leaves heaven to the priests and bourgeois bigots and tries to win a better life for himself right here, on earth. The proletariat of today sides with socialism, which enlists science in the battle against the fog of religion, and frees the workers from their belief in a hereafter by welding them together in a genuine fight for a better life on earth.
And main point is, in other words, the spread of materialism and scientific socialism in breadth is due to the fact that this doctrine promises the workers a better future! But a most elementary acquaintance with the history of socialism and of the working class movement in the West is enough to reveal the utter absurdity and falsity of this explanation.
Everybody knows that scientific socialism never painted any prospects for the future as such: it confined itself to analyzing the present bourgeois regime, to studying the trends of development of the capitalist social organization, and that is all.
You not only pose ignorant, but you create statements from that same ignorance that you admit. And you continue to circulate same nonsense from the beginning, If you would like me to quote you all the time, I can do that, because you make no coherent sense. So I gave you now, very concrete and absolute facts to think about. Good luck in it.
Communists are murderers, lowlifes, assholes that ruin everything good about a country. Living in the Czech republic, as I do, I know this from experience. And your remarks suggest that you are little better than a pretentious dimwit who knows nothing about socialist reality. Get a life..
I've yet to see an example of any modern-day practitioners of "communism" that haven't turned it into socialism, stalinism etc. And even "socialism" is just populism that feeds off the gullibility and stupidity of jealous mediocrities who want the wealthier (read educated) to support them and their families.
Nice music here, though. I prefer Ohlsonn as a Chopinian, but that's just me. I also heard a young Ashkenazy rendition of Chopin etudes op 10+op25 which was very interesting.
just got back from a nice break in europe and did'nt bother to log in to YT unlike yourself who goes to the library every day to keep warm and log in,i know it must be tough being a vagrant beggar on the streets but hey maybe you could do a course on basic English and get a job your comments are banal and inane so i won't bother corresponding with you until you prove a worthier conversationalist
i'll have to disagree, dude! we were better off in socialism(but, ofcourse, i lived in yugoslavia, it was developed country)... your experiance probably comes from poverty, but you must know, for us, it really wasn't like that. and ivo... well, he's exellent!
My relatives and mom are from Serbia, in fact, and my uncle knew Ivo as a child prodigee. I wasn't commenting about Ivo, but to the other guy who was writing the Communist manifesto on this page. Ivo is indeed a fine pianist, though I prefer some others. As for East Europe, still recovering from the scars of "social sensitivity", which is why I hate it.
again, i'm sorry about your bad experience, but i never insulted your beliefs, and each time you write something you insult my feelings and my country... great deal of us still love the ideals and kindness that once ruled this country. of course, you have every right to hate socialism.... just dont write lies, and dont think you know anything about yugoslavia... it's a bit more complicated than you think
The amount of people who support socialism is living proof that people have to be lied to to help them make the right decisions (ie. Conservative). How condescending to tell me sth like "its more complicated". I study political philosophy, and I hate the Social state, and the idea of my taxes feeding working class scum and mediocrity families (ie. the Social State). Fuck progressive taxation, if you want to throw your earnings to proleterian rubbish, feel free. I want to help the fittest rule.
well now i have nothing further to say to you... maybe just one thing... you are a person of poor state of mind with no desire to become better, your mind is poisoned and you sound to me like you're using someone else's words. i have dedicated my life helping others and it's unacceptable to me even to know that people like you exist. now i'm a bit intollerant, but sometimes you just have to be. wish you luck in finding purpose in your life! budi pozdravljen
Actually I think you were intolerant from the start. My purpose? To help the influential keep the working class in its place. Au contraire, your mind is poisoned by that naive nonsense that you have to help others (i.e. the weak, the inferior, the stupid). You still can't even come up with a reason why people who took no part in my labour should share my earnings. Go ahead and waste your labours on such people, I care less.
ok, maybe it is nonsense to think you have to help others, it is primarily egoism in its roots, and it helps me feel better... but i can't imagine myself rich, fat and satisfied, while someone else is hungry... thats enough reason to me.
Let's just say I'm not wealthy enough to be a philanthropist and pay progressive taxes. While I do contribute regularly to a charity, in the social state it's always the lazy (asocial, unemployed) and stupid (voluntarily uneducated thus lazy too) who are fed by the earnings of the middle and upper classes. Thanks to the populism of Social democracy which is basically just a weak country living on debt. These people are NOT hungry, they're well-fed on taxpayers' money. Budi pozdravljen:)
buddy, capitalism was founded on the stupidity. while stupidity rules the humanity, in capitalism it is the KING. Madoff, Enron, Nortel, Fani Mae, you name it.
We are talking about billions, even trillions of dollars stolen from you, buddy, from all of us. And YOU are the culprit in this crime of unprecedented proportions. YOU, buddy, YOU and your stupidity cost me monies and not those few bucks I pay for those who essentially were just the collateral damage of the stupidity of your kind
@truthinmedia my little friend, I'll leave you to your simplistic way of thinking. I live well under capitalism, so you need to stop frothing at the mouth and roll over like a good little puppy. BTW, Kosovo Albanian heroin (to fund the KLA and Kosovo's independance) also costs you and me a lot of money in taxes - you know, funding the police to keep the products of a nation of criminal scumbags under control :)
@truthinmedia I expected no better from a trailer-trash Albanian with a two-digit IQ. The only thing your primitive nation knows how to do is deal heroin and terrorise Serbian people. That's what we know and remember your human rubbish nation for: Kosovo's independence funded by the ruin and deaths of countless lives destroyed by your heroin.
And I hate that low income households are fed from my labour while contributing nothing to the state. I like the fact that the proleteriat pays higher taxes than I do as an entrepeneur.
@afertyus1000 your attempt at Slavic sentence structure is even more pitiable than your mutilation of English. Such are the fruits of using Google translator, my little pygmy. You remind me of one of those embarrassing arseholes who show visitors their designer clothes ("I'm a graduate from Oxford").
noa! viem dost dobre slovenski/cechach jazyk netreba prekladach cez 'google'skus sam sebou nemaju tam skaredy slov, ostat tam lebo ci si bol v anglie oni budu sa smiet na teba ucil som sa na slovensko v universidad viem 6 jazykov
@afertyus1000 dobře tě rozumím, blbečku, ale řikáš to blbě. Nauč se nejdřiv skloňovat, ty vole. To tě asi naučila ta cikánská kurva, která děla jako štětka u tvé taťky, vid'? Zaser se 3x do piči, seš úbohý kretén..
Ano rozumiem ze ti pises blbost a je rasist proti ciganske ludi neni kazdy zle a lenivy ale urcite na tvoje krajina su dost debilov ze chcu dat vinny nan ich kvoli problemy na cely sistem tam,vyebany sprostach!
@afertyus1000 zaprvé, slovo "sprostach" vůbec neexistuje, ani v češtině, ani v slovenštině. Zadruhé, kdybys byl "korrektní", řekl bys "romové" misto "cígoše". Za třeti, kdybys byl mlčel, byl bys zůstal filozofem. Za čtvrté, tvoje "slovenština" je tak zmordovaná, že je občas těžké vůbec rozlůštit ty kundoviny, které tám sereš...Ale prosím, piš jen dál, tvé pokusy jsou roztomilé ;)
hoho to je jedno ak pisem slovenske stebou ti dost diobre rozumies co poviem! tvoje anglicko je nic moc kamosh vase jazky su nehutny pocuvat aj rospravat aj len tam su dylyny ludi vcetsi!
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Do you have more video of ivo? I will thank you hundreds of times if you kindly upload it !!
YunZinLee 4 months ago
why was he kicked by the competition?, and what do you mean by appearance?
zelihic 4 months ago
"he shall be kicked out because of the political reason." what political reason?
vcupiano 5 months ago 2
Super Love for him!
pfparadiso 5 months ago
Terrific left hand starting around 1:30, great performance.
davidhertzberg 5 months ago
what was political reason????
0911926166 6 months ago
@0911926166 The 1980 controversy arose from a difference in opinion about a contestant, 22-year-old Yugoslavian pianist Ivo Pogorelić, and his openly provocative style of interpretation and behavior on the stage, developed into a worldwide scandal. The jury divided into two groups: those who found his playing unacceptable, and those who were enthusiastic or at least approving of his performance. Source: Wikipedia
amandla22323 2 months ago in playlist CHOPIN
March 2010 ... in Jerusalem -- loved seeing and hearing this amazing artist. Sad that some of the audience was busy talking. I think he handled them quite properly.
I had hoped to meet him after his concert but the mood made it impossible. I feel blessed to have been there!!!
Marny5580 7 months ago
Where is the glitter of this etude? :(
Dominique1992xD 7 months ago
Super!!!
19daniel49 9 months ago
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1Thompsonmusic 9 months ago
@1Thompsonmusic Please listen to Richters' recording of Schumann's Fantasy in C. Tell me what you think.
titusbeertsen 9 months ago
@titusbeertsen I wouldn't bother waiting for his replay, obviously he is a selfimportant prick with no ears....
flameassassin 9 months ago
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1Thompsonmusic 7 months ago
@1Thompsonmusic Are you autistic? Why this offensive response? I gave you an example of Richter's playing to prove my point, why don't you reply like an adult (and musiclover ofcourse)? You may not believe it, but I am interested in why you think that Richter is a bad pianist.
titusbeertsen 7 months ago
I like his interpretation of this piece!
MuzicSoundz 9 months ago
he came third (I think) because of his "abnormal" and provocative playing. Although parts of the jury (like Argerich) found this ingenius, others did not agree.. Shame
atee12321 10 months ago
@atee12321 no, he didn't make it to the finals. the greatest mistake in piano competition history imo.
hl83127 9 months ago
@hl83127 yeah my mistake, shoulda done a little research.. Totally agree though ;)
atee12321 9 months ago
... and he plays it so effortlessly as if it was the easiest piece Chopin wrote!
9samten 11 months ago
He came second because of his appearance. YOU FAIL JUDGES
Yamsareverytasty 1 year ago 7
@Yamsareverytasty I'm not sure what you mean... because he is very good looking?
8BlueSkies 1 year ago
@8BlueSkies Odd, I don't even remember typing that comment, and can't figure out what I meant either... But I can say I'm a fan of him and I think he should've won at least haha
Yamsareverytasty 1 year ago
@Yamsareverytasty I thought that he was eliminated from the final, because of the way he dressed....
lwpiano 10 months ago
@lwpiano Yeah, he didn't come second at all.. haha
Yamsareverytasty 10 months ago
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newFranzFerencLiszt 5 months ago
@Yamsareverytasty well maybe he was too cool for them :D
newFranzFerencLiszt 5 months ago
@Yamsareverytasty came second? "he shall be kicked out of the competition because of the political reason"
newFranzFerencLiszt 5 months ago
@newFranzFerencLiszt Don't know why my comment is top rated because I'm pretty sure I'm wrong. Don't know where I got that from :P
Yamsareverytasty 5 months ago
Sorry, but his style is all clipped and staccato.
chopin65 1 year ago
GENIUS!
PhillipLWilcher 1 year ago
Superbe! ...vraiment, du Chopin! quel régal...
etiam161036 1 year ago
Why does Ivo never play Chopins ballade No.1 ?
I know-But do "fanboys" know?
maxhansendk 1 year ago
@maxhansendk
Why?
yubito25 1 year ago
@yubito25 Because he realised there was going to be a comparison with Horowitz version. Horowitz version is impossible to better! You can play different or slower of course. But better - No way!
maxhansendk 1 year ago
@maxhansendk That's highly subjective! I personally prefer Zimmerman's version.
ilikehaku1100 1 year ago
@maxhansendk
I know Max.... And I'm not a fan of Ivo Pogorelich.
Danfrolujo 11 months ago
he was so cute.
calcmandan 1 year ago
He's hot, I like his hair. :)
mslovelyeyes0 1 year ago
IVO!
letMEaskYOUaQUESTion 1 year ago
BRAVO
one of the last real Soloist on this instrument with talent and technique an personality .....
lamusicahera 1 year ago
Dang Thai Son toca con un dedo lo que Pogorelich no toca con sus 10.
musicolorhythm 1 year ago
@NEVERMORExxxxx Thank you She!!
InterBrian 1 year ago
Wonderful!!!!
InterBrian 1 year ago
This is a recording from a Chopin Competition in Warsaw 1980 (I was then in high school):). Ivo was way too easy going for the jury to pass and to take the First Prize. It was quite a big scandal as he was banned (Martha Argerich refused to stay in the Jury as a protest).
zyrtec3 1 year ago
@zyrtec3 what do you mean easy going?
anonymousQ45 1 year ago
@anonymousQ45
easy going? Look at his dresscode (no suit on the International Festival?). For them it was very extravagant. Also they had many objections as of his interpretation of Chopin.
zyrtec3 1 year ago
@zyrtec3 but his interpretations are excellent, especially the scherzo 3
anonymousQ45 1 year ago
@anonymousQ45
I agree! He IS a great artist! It's really hard to understand what I wrote before (about the scandal at the Competition) if you don't know what the communist system was, how was it influencing minds and spirits and how great achievement it was to free Europe from this crap 30 years ago (btw. it all started in Poland - not in Berlin :)
zyrtec3 1 year ago
@zyrtec3 yes i have heard stories about these competitions being very political
anonymousQ45 1 year ago
@zyrtec3 im sorry i don't understand the "Ivo was way too easy going" (English is not my main language) can you explain me what that means
pliskinn0089 1 year ago
Hahahaha, nice hair!
llamasownyou 1 year ago
suba1234 is a troll and a dylyny
afertyus1000 1 year ago
@afertyus1000, the Romany peasant curse "dylyny" is misspelled and in the plural here. It's 'dilina', ok? A bit like saying "Afertyus is a flatulent, odious pygmies". Now run away and get a prescription for your Tourette's ;)
suba1234 1 year ago
trtkosko but ticho
afertyus1000 1 year ago
natej nod, erro limbo sorta decqa solo
Overlapse1000 1 year ago
awsome hair!
donottawaguitar 2 years ago
the pedal work is outstanding (among all other things)
voolare 2 years ago 18
way to have an actual comment about music!
iamthebirdman888 1 year ago
very nice
i will be recording my own rendition of this including ravel's jeux d'eau in the coming weeks
Smeagollum86 2 years ago
WOW!
debussy84 2 years ago 2
This is exquisite. What an amazing musician.
organman52 2 years ago 13
What a delightful warm, welcoming sound.
advisorC101 2 years ago
IVO POGORELICH is the best pianist in this world!!
rehfeldttw 2 years ago 6
He sure is!
dupa999 2 years ago
please...dont forget Glenn Gould..
mmooccaarrtt 2 years ago 2
He looks like a burn victom
DannyBoy1406 2 years ago
it wasnt cause of political reasons!!, it was because of some not based rubatos ore even wrong phrasings!, in the scherzo number 3 he barely used pedal
bastianloewe 2 years ago 4
I remember that. But I thought it was the Ballade 3 with almost no pedal.
aardvaark069 2 years ago
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nice music,
I am getting ready to write music encyclopedia which in greatest musicians from every country will be existed.
Can you help me about Croatian musicians please, Can you write me top legendary 5 Croatian musicians of all-times?
( I need an expert opinion, please answer if you think you are capable of to decide it)
decideyourmusic 2 years ago
I am loving this guy's hair.
Riadasti 2 years ago 3
Now he has no hair :D
deleuzeguattarixxx 2 years ago
I also like his hair but I'm not kind of his playing
michal1810 2 years ago
He should wim...
MaslAlek 2 years ago
he's brilliant but i swear the first thing i thought was OH MY GOD IT'S EDWARD SCISSORHANDS.
guitarobsession1565 2 years ago 4
Ja ja ja ja ja ja .....!!!!
Brunildilla 2 years ago
he probably grinds his teeth in his sleep, watching the way he plays live
mdoub 3 years ago
The best Croatian pianist out there!
hrvojep 3 years ago
He was Yugoslavian, so shove your nationalism where sun don't shine...
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
you mutt...if you get a chance to pull your wanker out of that sheep that you're screwing.....only then you'll find the time to go and ask him yourself. I forgive you for being stupid.
hrvojep 2 years ago
Unlike you, and among other occasions, I spoke with him during 1987 concert in Sava Center (its in Belgrade, if you are born after 75s)...
So, if you would be so kind, for your own sake and image, please ask him yourself... Because. what you said, is a great insult to his personality, and every (ex)Yugoslavian...
Leave your petty nationalism at home, don't label people with it, behind their backs...
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
google him or wikipedia...
Ivo Pogorelić (born 20 October 1958) is a Croatian pianist.
devilyo2 2 years ago
When someone was born from 1945 till 1992 in ground of Yugoslavia, legally they are born Yugoslavs...
On the other hand he was born in Belgrade, had father 'Croat' (pre-war nationality) and mother 'Serbian' (pre-war nationality) who were now Yugoslavs...
Google your brain, maybe you will find it.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
As a true communist you should be smarter than to defend any approach to communism after the second world war.
Economic factor is not a measure of success, it is a mere display of Yugoslavia connections with the western world.
What is legal is determined by the laws given by the same state, of course they will put any children as yugoslav. If you interpret this as nationalistic, you are truly stuck up, i didn't even use the term croatian, or bosnian,...
dado1802 2 years ago
"i didn't even use the term..." And who are you my friend? I never saw you even post in this video, let alone to me...
You need to read better, what I wrote, but I need to answer nonetheless -Indeed if measure of success was Western connection as you say, we should be THRIVING now under 'free market' republics in Balkans! But we are only sinking deeper and deeper.
No my friend, its not me who is an apologist of semi-socialist times, but it is you who are apologist of these crooked times...
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
if I see a sheep walking to the cliff I warn her, i she doesn't listen, I push her.
these times, crooked or not, are a fruit of the same principles on which stands your personal believes.
these times hold the greatest liberty ever on the face of this earth. never have you been so free to say what you please, to make love in the streets, to dance on the lake of flame!
instead you seek inert approval, a self-implying acceptance in this world. This world you have to earn.
dado1802 2 years ago
So you will push a sheep, even as she can't understand you, and she went there for better pasture? What are you saying friend? Who filled your little head with so much hate and bitterness?
But let us forget this borderline juvenile statements, and try to make something out of your ranting.
"these times, crooked or not", I don't even have to read more, and I can conclude that you can't be older then 20 years.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
Cliffs don't have pastures. And I'm not pushing her, I'm helping her, at least in her mind. And mine. After all, I am no god. I know, hard to believe, but extremely true.
People can take one click and see that I'm 18, so I see no point. You can pass by 10 000 goats and you wouldn't know anything more about them. Experience means nothing. At least the one measured in years.
dado1802 2 years ago
Don't play straw man arguments on my statements. Its generally known that age is connected in experience in a way that while your mind is developing, you are unable to observe certain aspects and paradigms of thought, not to mention universal lack of knowledge and practice... This is being obvious since early philosophical writings, and every elementary student knows and have been taught.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
Your reasoning and knowledge reminds me of the high school one, that is being taught in westernized societies. Analyzing communist methods for classless society from capitalist point of view. You see my friend, what is hospital without a doctor is just an empty buildings, and what is hospital without a cleaning service, its a lair of diseases. Its not for you to speculate the weight and quality of someone's work, when they are interconnected and are main corner stone of advanced society.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
I am sorry, but I cannot accept that every job is equal. If you are asking me would I rather be a doctor or a cleaning lady for the same money. I would be a cleaning lady. No one sees his purpose in perfecting himself in what he wants to be. We are beings, existential creatures, not cleaners or doctors. It's not the same.
Yes, I am thought in a high school (thank goodness), and my analysis is cheap and westernized, but still standing. Ours is just childish.
dado1802 2 years ago
Main motive in capitalist society is money-profit. Your job, your emotions, your connections, your power revolves around it. Your dreams, your creativity, your own personal happiness comes second after money. If you have enough money (which many of us don't), you can skip the money acquiring part, and get to the personal enjoyment, expansion of your personality...etc
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
Well I don't work for happiness it bring me, but for the money it brings me. So it is only natural that all jobs are oriented to money profit.
I would complain more if they reduced my paychecks, than if the reduce my happiness on work, workmates or so...
Personal happiness comes in free time and, at least for me, it doesn't depend on how much I can spend. I am not speaking from only my experience.
Some things are far more important than equal possibilities.
dado1802 2 years ago
You have only known that side of experience, working for profit, cause you haven't experienced anything different. Pleasure in work is what becomes present when motive that connects work for income dissipates. You have just proved my point even deeper. Of course you won't find happiness (most of the time) in working in these times.
On the other hand, you can visit Cuba (among other places) and ask/see/feel there, to see the difference (in almost every aspect). I know I have, I advise you too.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
Disgusting.
Here is everything I have to say. Communism is not fitted for mankind. Rousseau predicted human as first a rational, and then being that belongs to this earth. Theoretically completely correct, but then, so is solipsism.
Man are not led by logos, but by desire. A hungry man won't ask if you could give him the food you find extra, he will put it in his mouth.
It is childish to assume that humans are as mechanical as the world they saw by that time.
dado1802 2 years ago
How dare you make such bold assumptions as "They all had the ideal communism as a role-model." when you have proven countless times that you know nothing about your society that you live in, or even more, about communists?
Do I need to remind you that Cuba is still under economic embargo, that it resisted invasions, countless assassinations ( succeed and failed), Mass media propaganda war...etc And this is only Cuba. And it survived and evolved still, and its socially most advanced in the world
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
You said it perfectly, human is lead by its desires. If you ever studied psychology, you will see that there are several levels of desires, from primary ones of survival, expansion of specie, security of offspring, to the expansions of his own self, creativity...etc And communism is surviving to this day, its is constantly reviving itself, even with all suppression by the ruling classes, only because it represents the desires to the fullest for the working classes (be that manager or garbageman)
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
So? It is still a one mans desire that includes one and only one man. They would no longer be desires if they formed in a class. Primary ones are the most determinable ones, any occasional positive outcome is just a show that primary desires are temporarily fulfilled.
As soon as the transformation started new, individual desires would come up to start all over again. We may have same desires, but they all shout I, I, I, not we, we, we. We seek fulfilling of our own desires.
dado1802 2 years ago
Every 'we' is a sum of 'I' . People unite in common causes because it helps them prevail better/faster. If people never united, we would never evolve as animals we were. Main point is, we loose more by not being united, then by being united. I would like you to tell me, practically, what would we gain by your nihilistic selfish view on this matter? You can keep this very vague, but it will serve no one.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
Communism, Socialism never destroys individual, it dwells on it, because without individuals there would be no common will for change. Only one who wants to destroy the individual is this present class society. Who seeks to destroy you mentally and if needed physically, that is something you can't even defend from far.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
All that man starts has a beginning somewhere. If the beginning can be demolished in such way that it leads to the known, it must be a mistake at the beginning. But, I am probably underestimating the human capability to mess up. So, if the individual rules, what is there to demolished by him. He cant demolish himself. Maybe that's the beginning?
Cuba... Your fort, huh?
I'm currently reading about it. Doesn't seem so grand. Maybe it's the freedom for rich to bribe wikipedia you talked about.
dado1802 2 years ago
Cuba, where have I been in, and Cuba what you heard on news and are reading, is totally different reality. But you must really like to throw vague opinions around because you already know that. You have never had talk with a reporter in your life, nor have you ever talked business to a businessmen, at least you alleged presentations here draw that conclusion.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
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Yugoslavia had work camps too, ask those students and people that were involved there... Please don't make assumptions that you don't even understand, let alone are able to backup with anything. There is a sharp difference when you are insulting someone with this kind of behavior and when you are trying to learn/debate/ask.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
Yet, on 4 comments you are able to pass judgments on a person whose life you haven't lived or seen.
It just makes you eager to prove yourself, it wasn't even connected with the argumentation.
dado1802 2 years ago
Yes, on 4 comments I'm able to dissolve your personality that you are projecting in this youtube account, the one that you are representing yourself. I have no intention of probing beyond that, it serves no purpose.
You are making childish assumptions that I only have witnessed in young people, and those that don't like to think about anything 'too hard', let lone read what is written.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
And what purpose those judgments have? :D
Don't be frightened, I will stop myself before it's too late ;)
dado1802 2 years ago
Your empirical statements are juvenile, my young friend, you not only lack life experiences and different world views, but you want to be a teacher of the same...
Listening to you, is like listening radio Free Europe, except that first sentence, I couldn't sense any creativity and non-superficiality in your words...
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
You Sir.
Are a dick.
Lebowski53 2 years ago
Over night? I don't believe in Santa Claus.
I didn't say anything against communism.I am only against political stand such as yours.
Why would someone go to school for 20 years to operate on peoples live everyday to have the same paycheck as a communal worker.We would be stuck in a land of communal workers.
"If salvation was at hand, and when it wouldn't take much effort to find it, how would it be possible that everyone is neglecting it. But all enlightened things are as hard as they are rare."
dado1802 2 years ago
With your 'communal paycheck' you can do whatever you wanted to do, buy a car, go to vacations, around the world, expand your hobbies, live your life without any monetary restrictions. Thats the goal of that society. Its no more - advancing into some job just because it pays well, but because I like it. Also in every other aspect of human evolution. They haven't told you that did they? A 'small' overlook as always isn't it?
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
But listen, would you like to have a mans life in hand every day, with all the responsibility, crying relatives and all on your back. Hell no, I'd be picking up daisy's on the creek.
If there was moral in this world it would be such, it is childish to expect such morality from a man. Even laws have predicted corruption, that's why judges HAVE to have big paychecks.
With every day we are overwhelmed by savages.
dado1802 2 years ago
Majority of the world and people strive for that, the point that you haven't traveled anywhere where people struggle for their life is your own problem and lack of it. Luckily, advancement waits for no one, as world events prove it beyond doubt.
P.S.
That nonsense about same job pays isn't said by any communist. Its a raw vulgarly simplified extract from statement that I presented.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
Excuse me, but what does then The same opportunities for all stand, if not same paychecks.
Even though we are "civilized", the most important role of the state is the money. Governments fall because of the state budget. It's happening in Croatia, nobody stood when a wave of violence went through the streets, but now, when paychecks are falling...
You can't simplify humans like that. We are not completely rational beings.
dado1802 2 years ago
Socialist society, as one of its effects is removal of that system, where you don't need to worry if you are going to be hungry tomorrow, or will have roof above your head, money to pay your education, a good job that you don't like but brings enough money...etc On the other hand, if you read carefully, you will see that I don't have against if paychecks are different, as long as the person with lowest of them all, will be able to enjoy (to have same equality-liberty of choice) as the rest do.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
But then,following simple line, every man according to his abilities, where his children WILL HAVE TO EARN just as hard as they parents did, making all man equal (read:equal in freedom) from the day they born, and during their life, and end. In what way are they going to expand themselves (use their skills) and use that freedom, is completely rested on their shoulders.
If you read this carefully, you will understand that only problem that you had, is lack of information about this affair.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
Such a perfect tale.
It is ideal, but not suited to mankind. At least in this state of development.
Every attempt of realizing that ideology, from early christian societys to Lenjins attempt to turn communism to its roots ended up in we know what.
What would be the thing, this time, in that country that would make a man good?
dado1802 2 years ago
What do you even know about present state of development, let alone in historical context. You are going out of your league making bold assumptions like this.
I just need to mention Cuba, Venezuela, Kerala West Bengal and Tripura states in India, DPRK, Belarus...etc And lot more on their way: Russia, Bolivia, Nepal, Zimbabwe, Libya, Algeria...etc etc etc
And countless more which were destroyed by external enemies in 20 century
So while you thinking inside a little box, a war never ended here.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
And what do those countrys represent? That classless society that never succeeded, that you keep honking about?
dado1802 2 years ago
Again your mouth is faster then your brain. They (countries) represent answer to your statement: "It is ideal, but not suited to mankind. At least in this state of development. Every attempt of realizing...etc"
They represent advancement towards classless society, as you said, nothing comes overnight does it? Heed yourself once, and be coherent.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
A country where ownership divides people into classes, where one class have total power over the other one is nothing more then totalitarianism. The most democratic bourgeois republic is no more than a machine for the suppression of the working class by the bourgeoisie.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
For practical primer, even in the most democratic bourgeois republic 'freedom of assembly' is a hollow phrase, for the rich have the best public and private buildings at their disposal, and enough leisure to assemble at meetings, which are protected by the bourgeois machine of power.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
Or 'Freedom of the press' is another of the principal slogans of 'pure democracy'. And here, too, the workers know that this freedom is a deception because the best printing presses and the biggest stocks of paper are appropriated by the capitalists, and while capitalist rule over the press remains -- a rule that is manifested throughout the whole world all the more strikingly, sharply and cynically - the more democracy and the republican system are developed, as in America for example...
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
The capitalists have always use the term 'freedom' to mean freedom for the rich to get richer and for the workers to starve to death. And capitalist usage, freedom of the press means freedom of the rich to bribe the press, freedom to use their wealth to shape and fabricate so-called public opinion.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
Ah, the cartoon.
I think it was Ogi i buba Švabe, ali oni nisu nikad pričali.
To be clear, you overly simplify. What truth is there to be found by the press that is so vital and crucial? Hitler rose from the pissed grave again? I'll call Buffy.
To be clear, what role of the press so you see? Just to be sure.
dado1802 2 years ago
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As you know, idea of the presses today, is same to one of the Television and internet. Inform, entertain, teach, and not mixing their aspects in one pile, making it perfect vague propaganda tool.
Are you mocking me? Freedom of assembly, you don't know what is that? Even you mentioned Wikipedia, look it up there. Don't play straw man arguments on me. Its one of the most powerful political tools in this society and you don't EVEN know it...
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
And, of course, communism is the answer. I haven't seen it, I haven't touched it, I haven't tasted it, but I know it's there... It's more like a religion than an ideology if you think about it.
You don't have a real answer, do you? You only have a perfect mind creation with which you can spit and disgust over entire world. Except Cuba, of course. Do you have any valid source of Cuba information, because all information I could find were worse than the capitalist countries. Work camps in 60s...
dado1802 2 years ago
At first, let us ask ourselves, what does the phrase "freedom of assembly" really means. The best seats in the opera? nope, that certainly not.
The right to shout? Well yes, but it's not nice, after all it's opera night, right? You're going to get expelled.
You are trying to make bridges where people can jump themselves.
Maybe you slept over the past two centurys, and don't remember all the stuff that went on and some really smart people that eventually died.
dado1802 2 years ago
This reminds me of a cartoon I adored when I was a child. Someone tries to step on a bug, but the bug just bounces of and shouts "Together, we will take off the chains the oppressing bourgeoisie!" in the most adorable way.
I cant remember the name, I'll try to find it and inform you if I do ;) I hope you catch my drift ;) ;)
dado1802 2 years ago
Haha! :D
That is best you have to present? A non-existence of the ideal you seek. With that you plan to counter reality? :D
Silly me, I tough you were making a point there.
dado1802 2 years ago
Let me share, something with you. Answers on 2 simple questions that you want to ask, but are unable to do so coherently. READ CAREFULLY.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
1st Are Communists seeking to make everyone equal?
-The abolishment of classes and inequality of wealth are sought but not identical intellectual and physical faculties.
Now let me explain. Concept of equality is a most absurd and stupid prejudice if it does not imply the abolition of classes. Bourgeois professors attempted to use the concept 'equality' as grounds for accusing us of wanting all men to be alike. They themselves invented this absurdity and wanted to ascribe it to the socialists.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
Because by equality, Marxism means, not equalisation of personal requirements and everyday life, but the abolition of classes: -the equal emancipation of all working people from exploitation after the capitalists have been overthrown and expropriated - the equal abolition for all of private property in the means of production after they have been converted into the property of the whole of society
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
-the equal duty of all to work according to their ability, and the equal right of all working people to receive in return for this according to the work performed (socialist society)
There can be no equality so long as one has plenty of any other commodity and the other has none.
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2nd question, Aren't Marxists attempting to create a heaven on earth? (to be vague but direct)
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
-Existence and life are a journey not an arrival. Man will never attain a utopian society in which all problems have been resolved, although Communsts do constantly seek to improve the majority's welfare. It is in the nature of heaven that problems are nonexistent and everything is perfect. Marxism denies both possibilities. One can only wonder what people do in heaven since everything is perfect and all problems have vanished.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
To carry out any form of activity would be to alter that which is perfect and make it less than perfect. On the other hand, to just sit and stare for an eternity sounds more like hell than heaven.
Let me explain this even more.The worker cannot fail to see that he is oppressed by capital, that his struggle has to be waged against the bourgeois class.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
And this struggle, aimed at satisfying his immediate economic needs, at improving his material conditions, inevitably demands that the workers organize, and inevitably becomes a war not against individuals, but against a class, the class which oppresses and crushes the working people not only in the factories, but everywhere.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
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The modern class-conscious worker... enlightened by urban life, contemptuously casts aside religious prejudices, leaves heaven to the priests and bourgeois bigots and tries to win a better life for himself right here, on earth. The proletariat of today sides with socialism, which enlists science in the battle against the fog of religion, and frees the workers from their belief in a hereafter by welding them together in a genuine fight for a better life on earth.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
And main point is, in other words, the spread of materialism and scientific socialism in breadth is due to the fact that this doctrine promises the workers a better future! But a most elementary acquaintance with the history of socialism and of the working class movement in the West is enough to reveal the utter absurdity and falsity of this explanation.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
Everybody knows that scientific socialism never painted any prospects for the future as such: it confined itself to analyzing the present bourgeois regime, to studying the trends of development of the capitalist social organization, and that is all.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
And in the end, last word.
You not only pose ignorant, but you create statements from that same ignorance that you admit. And you continue to circulate same nonsense from the beginning, If you would like me to quote you all the time, I can do that, because you make no coherent sense. So I gave you now, very concrete and absolute facts to think about. Good luck in it.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
P.S.
I just want to thanks Dennis McKinsey publicly, for his strong words that made this easy answer happen.
TrueCommunist 2 years ago
Communists are murderers, lowlifes, assholes that ruin everything good about a country. Living in the Czech republic, as I do, I know this from experience. And your remarks suggest that you are little better than a pretentious dimwit who knows nothing about socialist reality. Get a life..
suba1234 2 years ago
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FUCK COMMUNISM!
vincecharus 2 years ago
Stalinism isn't Communism, but we get your point.
Scottondanet 2 years ago 3
I've yet to see an example of any modern-day practitioners of "communism" that haven't turned it into socialism, stalinism etc. And even "socialism" is just populism that feeds off the gullibility and stupidity of jealous mediocrities who want the wealthier (read educated) to support them and their families.
Nice music here, though. I prefer Ohlsonn as a Chopinian, but that's just me. I also heard a young Ashkenazy rendition of Chopin etudes op 10+op25 which was very interesting.
suba1234 2 years ago
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holu83 2 years ago
just got back from a nice break in europe and did'nt bother to log in to YT unlike yourself who goes to the library every day to keep warm and log in,i know it must be tough being a vagrant beggar on the streets but hey maybe you could do a course on basic English and get a job your comments are banal and inane so i won't bother corresponding with you until you prove a worthier conversationalist
afertyus1000 1 year ago
@afertyus1000 Oh, more vacuous, torpid prose from the Brazilian halfwit. How surprising..
suba1234 1 year ago
lol
winkandrun 2 years ago
i'll have to disagree, dude! we were better off in socialism(but, ofcourse, i lived in yugoslavia, it was developed country)... your experiance probably comes from poverty, but you must know, for us, it really wasn't like that. and ivo... well, he's exellent!
holu83 2 years ago
My relatives and mom are from Serbia, in fact, and my uncle knew Ivo as a child prodigee. I wasn't commenting about Ivo, but to the other guy who was writing the Communist manifesto on this page. Ivo is indeed a fine pianist, though I prefer some others. As for East Europe, still recovering from the scars of "social sensitivity", which is why I hate it.
suba1234 2 years ago
again, i'm sorry about your bad experience, but i never insulted your beliefs, and each time you write something you insult my feelings and my country... great deal of us still love the ideals and kindness that once ruled this country. of course, you have every right to hate socialism.... just dont write lies, and dont think you know anything about yugoslavia... it's a bit more complicated than you think
holu83 2 years ago
The amount of people who support socialism is living proof that people have to be lied to to help them make the right decisions (ie. Conservative). How condescending to tell me sth like "its more complicated". I study political philosophy, and I hate the Social state, and the idea of my taxes feeding working class scum and mediocrity families (ie. the Social State). Fuck progressive taxation, if you want to throw your earnings to proleterian rubbish, feel free. I want to help the fittest rule.
suba1234 2 years ago
well now i have nothing further to say to you... maybe just one thing... you are a person of poor state of mind with no desire to become better, your mind is poisoned and you sound to me like you're using someone else's words. i have dedicated my life helping others and it's unacceptable to me even to know that people like you exist. now i'm a bit intollerant, but sometimes you just have to be. wish you luck in finding purpose in your life! budi pozdravljen
holu83 2 years ago
Actually I think you were intolerant from the start. My purpose? To help the influential keep the working class in its place. Au contraire, your mind is poisoned by that naive nonsense that you have to help others (i.e. the weak, the inferior, the stupid). You still can't even come up with a reason why people who took no part in my labour should share my earnings. Go ahead and waste your labours on such people, I care less.
suba1234 2 years ago
ok, maybe it is nonsense to think you have to help others, it is primarily egoism in its roots, and it helps me feel better... but i can't imagine myself rich, fat and satisfied, while someone else is hungry... thats enough reason to me.
holu83 2 years ago
Let's just say I'm not wealthy enough to be a philanthropist and pay progressive taxes. While I do contribute regularly to a charity, in the social state it's always the lazy (asocial, unemployed) and stupid (voluntarily uneducated thus lazy too) who are fed by the earnings of the middle and upper classes. Thanks to the populism of Social democracy which is basically just a weak country living on debt. These people are NOT hungry, they're well-fed on taxpayers' money. Budi pozdravljen:)
suba1234 2 years ago
buddy, capitalism was founded on the stupidity. while stupidity rules the humanity, in capitalism it is the KING. Madoff, Enron, Nortel, Fani Mae, you name it.
We are talking about billions, even trillions of dollars stolen from you, buddy, from all of us. And YOU are the culprit in this crime of unprecedented proportions. YOU, buddy, YOU and your stupidity cost me monies and not those few bucks I pay for those who essentially were just the collateral damage of the stupidity of your kind
truthinmedia 2 years ago
@truthinmedia my little friend, I'll leave you to your simplistic way of thinking. I live well under capitalism, so you need to stop frothing at the mouth and roll over like a good little puppy. BTW, Kosovo Albanian heroin (to fund the KLA and Kosovo's independance) also costs you and me a lot of money in taxes - you know, funding the police to keep the products of a nation of criminal scumbags under control :)
suba1234 2 years ago
buddy, I tried to explain this to you, but you are either too obstinate or,, well, got that elementary school diploma in a Cracker Jack box;)
truthinmedia 2 years ago
@truthinmedia I expected no better from a trailer-trash Albanian with a two-digit IQ. The only thing your primitive nation knows how to do is deal heroin and terrorise Serbian people. That's what we know and remember your human rubbish nation for: Kosovo's independence funded by the ruin and deaths of countless lives destroyed by your heroin.
suba1234 2 years ago
Yes, we should have let all big companies and millionaires go bankrupt!
I hate that wealthy people and companies get goverment support from my tax money!
Let them go bankrupt!!
maxhansendk 2 years ago
And I hate that low income households are fed from my labour while contributing nothing to the state. I like the fact that the proleteriat pays higher taxes than I do as an entrepeneur.
suba1234 2 years ago
cheers mate! btw stop contributing to the evil wars in the world
afertyus1000 1 year ago
@afertyus1000 cheers mate. Btw, trying getting an education, then you may learn to stop talking nonsense.
suba1234 1 year ago
suba1234 i am a graduate of oxford so maybe one would call it an education better than selling second-hand clothes on ebay for a fiver entrepeneur
afertyus1000 1 year ago
Really? Who did your father bribe on the admissions board? You seem never to have heard about English grammar and syntax...
suba1234 1 year ago
suba1234 ?? nothing wrong with my grammar or syntax i see you are from cz chod do pice ti sprosty buzerand kokot,tak! rozumies ma teraz?
afertyus1000 1 year ago
@afertyus1000 your attempt at Slavic sentence structure is even more pitiable than your mutilation of English. Such are the fruits of using Google translator, my little pygmy. You remind me of one of those embarrassing arseholes who show visitors their designer clothes ("I'm a graduate from Oxford").
suba1234 1 year ago
noa! viem dost dobre slovenski/cechach jazyk netreba prekladach cez 'google'skus sam sebou nemaju tam skaredy slov, ostat tam lebo ci si bol v anglie oni budu sa smiet na teba ucil som sa na slovensko v universidad viem 6 jazykov
afertyus1000 1 year ago
@afertyus1000 dobře tě rozumím, blbečku, ale řikáš to blbě. Nauč se nejdřiv skloňovat, ty vole. To tě asi naučila ta cikánská kurva, která děla jako štětka u tvé taťky, vid'? Zaser se 3x do piči, seš úbohý kretén..
suba1234 1 year ago
Ano rozumiem ze ti pises blbost a je rasist proti ciganske ludi neni kazdy zle a lenivy ale urcite na tvoje krajina su dost debilov ze chcu dat vinny nan ich kvoli problemy na cely sistem tam,vyebany sprostach!
afertyus1000 1 year ago
@afertyus1000 zaprvé, slovo "sprostach" vůbec neexistuje, ani v češtině, ani v slovenštině. Zadruhé, kdybys byl "korrektní", řekl bys "romové" misto "cígoše". Za třeti, kdybys byl mlčel, byl bys zůstal filozofem. Za čtvrté, tvoje "slovenština" je tak zmordovaná, že je občas těžké vůbec rozlůštit ty kundoviny, které tám sereš...Ale prosím, piš jen dál, tvé pokusy jsou roztomilé ;)
suba1234 1 year ago
hoho to je jedno ak pisem slovenske stebou ti dost diobre rozumies co poviem! tvoje anglicko je nic moc kamosh vase jazky su nehutny pocuvat aj rospravat aj len tam su dylyny ludi vcetsi!
afertyus1000 1 year ago