Seen John Von Ohlen PLAYING LIVE in the 70s in London. My favourite drummer. Has the rare knack of cuttting through a roaring brass section - very few drummers can do that, And if you like sax players check out Sal Nisticco on Sister Sadie with Woody Herman. Thought then he was the best player I'd seen -.and I'd seen many of the 'greats'. So fast, so powerful. Awesome. I grew up on rock music so the Herds were just up my street!!! Would love a CD compilation of him playing.
All this talk about whether Kenton was "racist" because he had few black musicians. Let's face it. Music was racially segregated then and it's racially segregated now. How many segregated acts are there in any type of music nowadays? How many have there ever been? Generally speaking, white folks listen to music made by white musicians, even if the music is of black origin, like Jazz. Black folks listen to black musicians. There are exceptions, but generally speaking music was and is segregated.
@xxjewledxxromance Von Ohlen plays drums. I played & recorded with him in the Indianapolis/Cincinnati area in the 1980s. He still lives/gigs in that area. One of the best musicians I've ever worked with.
Super dooper!!I once possesssed the long play record which obviousle included sounds from the audience & I always remember one lonely voice from the audience calling out "Where you been Stan?" & Stan replied jokingly about booze & other things.Wish I still had that record
Once a performer reaches a high level of proficiency, and acceptance, There is NO better or best or worse ONLY different - remember the use of comparisons and superlatives reduces OUR art to the level of merely sport. AND Can you imagine someone telling you that tomato sauce tastes better on a spaghetti noodle than it does on a macaroni noodle ? Sauce is sauce - what the hell is the difference. One either likes something or doesn't , - - Hmmm >> "personal Taste"
Once a performer reaches a high level of proficiency, and acceptance, There is NO better or best or worse ONLY different - - remember the use of comparisons and superlatives reduces OUR art to the level of merely "sport".
Bickering about who's who as the 'best' gets childish. But one thing is for sure - Stan Kenton defined 'Modern Jazz'. He brought it to our ears, blazing a trail through a lot of cornball sounds going nowhere.
it is really quite simple this is the definitive version of the pea nut vendor by the band which I think kind of went on and on being the best band in the 50's
It was over 30 years ago when I first heard this song and the peppy energetic beat of the music made me a fan of the song. For a live performance, consider what a performer is experiencing in doing that number.
3 degrees of Kenton: Maynard played for Kenton (5th solo trumpet), Chase played in Maynard's band (was let go for having chops problems, later straightened that out and played for Herman) Bill Chase forms his own group after playing with Herman.
Cannot fathom how these racist comments are on a jazz website? It speaks to all of the ignorances of our World. Jazz is to be celebrated for it's art, and not the color of our skin.
I love the comments about the hater. But this just isn't a band my friends, it's an orchestra. Big difference. This was when Jazz emerged as the single most magical musical genre born within the United States. It was an art form that is in danger of being lost due to School budget cuts & electric pianos. Support the Arts!
I love the trumpet players getting up, the collective thought, "This flute geezer has to go" running through their heads and then laying down a wall of brass! Outstanding.
This is THE band. I went to 3 clinics with this Kenton band back in '73, Springfield and Sacramento. What an experience for a girl of 18, and I still love jazz and still play. Does anyone know what happened to Mike Wallace? I've been trying to find his solo, Tenderly, on YouTube but with no luck. Thanks to whoever is posting these videos. What memories!!
@saxuallyadequate On the posts to another video there is one saying that Mike Wallace is living in Dallas, Phil Herring, bass trombone/tuba, is in Seattle I think, and the other trombonists are deceased.
Adds in a nice bit of horror at 4.13. "...just then Damien stepped onto the stage." The extreme dissonance caught me by surprise. Was this a regular thing in this style of music? By this composer?
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I must say, the way the Bass-Bone takes over for the bari just both cracks me up and gives me the shivers everytime I hear it. Wow! Just wow, what a sound from both the Bass-bone and the rest of the Band!
Not even close to being the best jazz ensemble of all time, Phoenix! I don't hear a lot of jazz here; it's just about all arrangement, and pompous at that, in true Kenton style. Very white bread (and just plain white), overblown, unjazz, un-New Orleans blues. But a lot of people I like, including Charlie Rich, admired Kenton, and he had some great musicians, incl. a young Stan Getz. And all the other posters here.
@charold3 ..not sure why you need to be add racial angle to this...I have heard people in the past use this same derisive term for so-called "white music"...if it is not your bag, why do you need to use that loaded term...maybe there are people out there who like white , black, spanish, asian, indian, or maybe they don't like "black" jazz, or spanish or salsa music......is it ok if i say i don't like "black physics"(we certainly would not have gone to the moon with that..LOL)
@dallas1963 It's hard for me to ignore the fact that Kenton was a bit of a racist--to what degree isn't clear to me. He wrote an angry letter to the Down Beat editor in the '50s about the almost all-black winners of a critics' poll--as if jazz were not a black art form (which it certainly is). But even if he was not a racist, I think his music is overblown and ultimately forgettable--WASP jazz. And it doesn't swing. (PS I am white myself!)
@charold3 you are probably confusing the word "racist" with bigotry(as many people do today )..remember, to be a racist, one has to believe someone is GENETICALLY inferior..key word genetics....racism is also defined as a OFFICIAL POLICY OR PROGRAM, based on race(ironically enough, the way Affirmative Action is practiced today is actually a racist policy, based upon definiton)..so, the fact that you site Kenton's angry letter may show bigotry, but no evidence of racism
@dallas1963 ...i sure hope, for yours and society's benefit, that you have a much higher threshold for racism than letter to the editor in the 1950s....just as it was wrong to treat blacks unfairly back in the day, leveling an extremely serious, life altering charge such as racism should require a mountain of evidence....other that being labeled a murder, rapist, or child molester , no other label is as permanently life altering as the charge of racism...
@dallas1963 if that is all the evidence you require, than please excuse yourself from any potential jury pool the next time you get a jury duty summons....I hope you are equally upset of the vicious, RACIST, SEXIST, VILE spew that is common in black music(Rap, etc)...this is litterally poisoning the the black community
@charold3 "Point well made, taken" re: your first reply, Dallas 1963. You wade a bit into the swampiness of unreason in the later two replies. But that is your right.
@charold3 Standing up for your own race is not defined as being racist. Look at how much money and publicity Miles Davis got. He couldn't play Sweet Sue in whole notes....Most of the best trumpeters were white back then. Conti Condoli could play circles around Miles. So Kentons angry letter has merit. At least his band played in tune, which was more than Basie's band accomplished.
@M1GARRAND1 I don't imagine I can reason with you, and that's fine. If you want to think that Condoli is a "better" trumpter than Miles, that's fine too. (I knew a guy who claimed, straightfaced, that Steve Allen was a better painist than Thelonious!) Just don't expect a lot of people to agree with you.
@charold3 I have heard Miles in person. I have been playing and listening to Jazz for over 30 years. Art has nothing to do with the ability to make a trumpet sing. Miles was a great writer and arranger, but I was embarrassed for him. What was coming out of his horn was not MUSIC. Putting up with the lack of ability has ruined the modern music scene. How did you ever get into a conversation on Steve Allen vs. Monk? LOL
@M1GARRAND1 The person who claimed Steve Allen was better than Monk was being hyperbolic--or I choose to see it that way! But I strongly disagree with you re: Miles not being able to play. Now, at some points in his life, due to bad health or substance abuse, he played weakly. And there are many trumpeters, from Doc Severenson to Buddy Hackett, who were technically more proficient, I guess. But up to at least the mid-'70s, Miles was the most interesting trumpeter in the world. That's my take.
@charold3 During the late 70's before he died,Kenton did have black musicians in his band, a trumpet plyer by the name of Kevin Jordan and a Bass Trombonist by the name of Doug Purviance. Another fact is a lot of black jazz musicians didn't read music that well either and to play in kenton's band you had to read music.Kenton was also very good friends with Nat King Cole who was on the same label.
@jwjeffrey I didn't know that. Thanks. (I figured some blacks played with Kenton somewhere along the line, but not many.) There are/were doubtless a lot of (black) jazz musicians unable to read music; Errol Garner may be the best example. But many could read, and read well. I don't accept your reasoning. I see evidence that Kenton had race problems and virtually no evidence to the contrary.
@jwjeffrey there are a hell of a lot of white musician who can't read a lick either. This is racist drivel. I'm not blaming Stan Kenton for the lack of black players, Woody Herman had few as well. Basie had few white players. But it is an insult to say that black players can't read.
@foodwineguy The fact of the matter is alot of black musicians back in the 40's and 50's didn't read music.And the ones that did didn't want to play with Kenton.Leonard Feather started that Kenton was rascist wheen he wrote for Downbeat magazine Feather later retracked that staemen.Another reason a lot of blacks didn't play with Kenton was they didn't like his band cause it didn't swing.I'm not stating anything that's not fact. By the way I am black and I saw kenton band in the 70's.
@jwjeffrey Again, give me proof that black's couldn't read music. This is just an absolute racist statement. As to Stan Kenton, I don't know one way or the other about his racial beliefs. Yet you constantly put out a factually incorrect statement, black musicians couldn't read. There were black bands that had intricate charts and white bands with simplistic ones. I think the real reason so few black players played in "white" bands in the 50 is Americas' racism and segrigation.
@jwjeffrey Again, give me proof that black's couldn't read music. This is just an absolute racist statement. As to Stan Kenton, I don't know one way or the other about his racial beliefs. Yet you constantly put out a factually incorrect statement, black musicians couldn't read. There were black bands that had intricate charts and white bands with simplistic ones. I think the real reason so few black players played in "white" bands in the 50 is Americas' racism and segregation.
@jwjeffrey Again, give me proof that black's couldn't read music. This is just an absolute racist statement. As to Stan Kenton, I don't know one way or the other about his racial beliefs. Yet you constantly put out a factually incorrect statement, black musicians couldn't read. There were black bands that had intricate charts and white bands with simplistic ones. I think the real reason so few black players played in "white" bands in the 50 is Americas' racism and segregation.
@jwjeffrey Again, give me proof that black's couldn't read music. This is just an absolute racist statement. As to Stan Kenton, I don't know one way or the other about his racial beliefs. Yet you constantly put out a factually incorrect statement, black musicians couldn't
read. There were black bands that had intricate charts and white bands with simplistic ones. I think the real reason so few black players played in "white" bands in the 50 is Americas' racism and segregation.
@jwjeffrey there are a hell of a lot of white musician who can't read a lick either. This is racist drivel. I'm not blaming Stan Kenton for the lack of black players, Woody Herman had few as well. Basie had few white players. But it is an insult to say that black players can't read.
Stan Kenton was very specific about not having his band be just another swing band which were rampant at the time. In fact he detested playing swing charts because of this.
Not bad, but the definitive version of this is on the Capitol "Kenton in High Fi" released around 1955. Re-released on CD, with a couple of tracks that were "experimentaly" recorded in full stereo. I have that CD, and it's the BOMB, man.
What an amazing performance by this truly fantastic orchestra.This has always been one of my best loved big band/jazz number and to actually watch them perform it is something else.
My favorite Kenton version of The Peanut Vendor (El Manisero) is the one on his Capitol album "The Road Show." In addition to the usual brass contribution, he's got a huge battery of percussionists. They launch into an extended blitz with the band vamping in the background. Unbelieveable. I don't know hhow the album sounds on the CD, but it's near state-of-the-art sound on LP.
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Stan Kenton copied off of Dizzy using latin rhythms in his band. It sounds so bland and flat. Dizzy was the first to use this style and is sounded way better. Nice effort Stan!!!!!
Though this may be true...musicians are allowed to copy styles from one another. Take for example improv. solos on the trumpet Miles Davis first comes to mind, many have copied his style. As long is credit is given where its needed then its fine. So dont go getting you panties in a bunch. Just enjoy the music!!!
I had the honor of having the Mike Vax Big Band come to my school and give a clinic to us and they played this song. It was incredible. Kim Richmond on flute and crazy Dennis Noday and Mike Vax screamer battles...Awesome...nothing but good things to say about Kenton. Great Recording!
Wow. Stan Kenton totally rock. Whatever happened to just enjoying a piece of music for what it is? How about Stan Kenton always trying new stuff? trying to push the envelope? I can only hope to once be like that. Don't lose your love for music with a bad attitude!!
Thank you damiles man. you had to be really good to play in his band. Check out his version of send in the clowns or Street of Dreams . 5 trumpets, 5bones, 5 saxes. It will blow you rmind. Greatest brass section.
Speaking of swinging big bands....and I had the pleasure early in my musical career to work with Kenton.......how bout the current Big Phat Band und ordon Goodwin???????
I bought a trumpet from Jay Saunders (lead trumpet) while taking lessons when we were both at North Texas (UNT) around '75. I would guess that it's the same one since he told me at the time it was the one he used on the Kenton gig.
dont read this please...dont..THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING EVER!!! BUT I LOVE MY MOM AND DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANY CHANCES! If you do not copy and paste this onto 10 videos your mom will die in 4 hours
"it doesn't need to swing, That's cheezy"? Well, what the hell does jazz do then? I don't know about you, but I don't see many jazz musicians tapping their feet on 1 and 3, and I certainly DO NOT do that either. So i'm assuming that being said, you CAN NOT say that this is Jazz, because it doesn't swing. But you probably don't listen to REAL jazz music, just Stan Kenton shit...
Okay bud, this is more a latin chart than a swing chart. You are completely off to say all chats swing, and that jazz as a whole swings. Jazz is much more than just swing. I have to agree with gerald, swinging this chart would cause it to lose almost entirely its feel.
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First of all, don't call me bud. Secondly, it's been stated before and i'll state it again, Latin charts CAN swing. Yes, it is possible. Thirdly, Jazz Swings. Don't be an idiot and say that "Jazz as a whole doesn't swing". That's the stupidest thing i've ever heard, yes it does. Jazz is made up of several elements, and while i agree swinging isn't everything, it's a HUGE part. Lastly, swinging this chart wouldn't make it lose it's "feel", it would make it less straight and boring.
Sure, latin charts can swing. But then again, can't swing charts have a somba or bossa feel? I don't get what you're saying by stating jazz always swings. I will say this again, however, that is you dont like this band, THEN STOP LISTENING TO IT! This video doesn't need negative comments like yours, if you have a problem, then go and listen to your Mel Lewis, it doesn't matter to the rest of us.
"I hope you are joking. you are saying that the Stan Kenton band cant swing?.......dumbass". Well I guess we were watching different videos of different bands (maybe the "Thad Jones & Mel Lewis Band", they swing for REAL). You need to learn what SWINGING really is because you have NO IDEA! Like Jazclarinetist said, you can swing on a latin beat, Diz did it all the time. And anyway, what gives you the right to call ME a dumbass? You're the jazz illiterate...
Watch this /watch?v=Q4JgG8iyOyY and then say stan kenton can't swing. If you seriously think the Stan Kenton Orchestra can't swing, then I would have say you are the "jazz illiterate". The peanut vendor may not be a swing chart but that gives you no right to make a dumbass comment like that.
While I agree that Stan Kenton and his band are a great bunch of musicians, I don't agree that they're "Arguably the best jazz ensemble of all time", I would say Thad Jones/Mel Lewis Big Band gets that title. And I wouldn't listen to this if people like you didn't keep commenting me and making me angry...
Mike Vax was just in Mpls where I am to do a one night show with U of M jazz I. I am so glad I got to see him do his stuff!! I think this was just this past spring.
This is my favorite Stan Kenton and as many zillions of times I have heard it, Kenton never does it the same way twice.
Towards the end when the trumpets are blasting note on tope of note, I just break out in googsebumps! I like too the way it begins fairly softly and then builds and builds until that crashing end.
Kenton's music is good as ANYTHING written by anyone, and he KNEW how to exploit every nuance of a piece of music.
Hi When I listen to this modern crap and the second rate musicians {heavy metal and rock crap} I realize that the world is in a rapid decline as far as music is concerned. Try and tell this to the young`ns, they think they have a lock on music. My son decided to become a rock guitarist, he tried jazz but could`nt develope the technique necessary to play it. Rock was"easy." There`ll never be another Kenton....PITY.
I would try to be a bit more optomistic. I am only fourteen, but unlike most of the kids i know, I'm not all that into metal n' rock. I'm playing lead bone in a middle school jazz band. Not much, but I've recently entered a stan kenton Phase. Im loving ths work of Dick shearer(lead bone). I also know a few other guys from yearly festivals and competitions that seem to have a bright fture as well. I think there could easily be another Kenton, cause there are some great young musicians out there.
Waffleboy83. That`s what I like to hear. Good luck to you I hope you are right. My niece is in a jazz orientated school group and she remonstrates my opinions, "There are lots of kids who like the higher standards," she reminds me, you must be one of them. Once again good luck, I hope you achieve your goal. The 'bone' is`nt an easy instrument.
Holy Moly! I playe the bone lead at York Comprehensive High School (SC) in 1979. It's been a long time since Kenton. Thanks to John Bostic for my guidance and vision!
I saw this performed by this band when I was a mere junior in high school (knoxville, TN) - my first exposure to a name jazz band. Such a high - I shall never forget it. Thanks for posting.
My father in law came round for Xmas dinner today. He asked me to find this. I am so glad he came to dinner! :-)
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dedon800 1 month ago
Seen John Von Ohlen PLAYING LIVE in the 70s in London. My favourite drummer. Has the rare knack of cuttting through a roaring brass section - very few drummers can do that, And if you like sax players check out Sal Nisticco on Sister Sadie with Woody Herman. Thought then he was the best player I'd seen -.and I'd seen many of the 'greats'. So fast, so powerful. Awesome. I grew up on rock music so the Herds were just up my street!!! Would love a CD compilation of him playing.
DelMkVI 1 month ago
All this talk about whether Kenton was "racist" because he had few black musicians. Let's face it. Music was racially segregated then and it's racially segregated now. How many segregated acts are there in any type of music nowadays? How many have there ever been? Generally speaking, white folks listen to music made by white musicians, even if the music is of black origin, like Jazz. Black folks listen to black musicians. There are exceptions, but generally speaking music was and is segregated.
RRaquello 2 months ago
What instrument is John Von Ohlen playing here?
xxjewledxxromance 4 months ago
@xxjewledxxromance Von Ohlen plays drums. I played & recorded with him in the Indianapolis/Cincinnati area in the 1980s. He still lives/gigs in that area. One of the best musicians I've ever worked with.
savagetunes1 2 months ago
Interesting in that the recording that I have of his band doing this number,
probably some years earlier, lasted almost nine minutes long!
34Packardphaeton 5 months ago
i shall dis like this piece just because we are playing it in band .hey you would 2 if u knew our conductor
bibz555 6 months ago
"It's time to play the music!
It's time to light the light!"
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javiikiller 9 months ago
Super dooper!!I once possesssed the long play record which obviousle included sounds from the audience & I always remember one lonely voice from the audience calling out "Where you been Stan?" & Stan replied jokingly about booze & other things.Wish I still had that record
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EdwardPeter1 10 months ago
jwjeffrey - - - You really need to do some reading - your facts are wrong
PJMPercussion 10 months ago
Too fast.
xZippy38 11 months ago
@xZippy38 Too fast? For what, when ever, then for your perception. Wake up and move!
siolaaduob 11 months ago
@xZippy38 You are telling Stan kenton that his song, is going too fast?
geoffrey377 5 months ago
Big Brass!
22Burnette 11 months ago
Its sounds like.. Gregory Isaacs - Cool Down The Pace
SuperMrUniverse 11 months ago
This is ridiculously catchy and incredibly fun to hum along too.
Forget all the technical words and mumbo jumbo,
this song is fun!!!!
toodles248 1 year ago
5:43 I smiled :)
pedropedaltones 1 year ago
SO.MUCH.FACIAL.HAIR. But anyway great song. It's really fun to play in my jazz band.
donnieaveryfan17 1 year ago
Once a performer reaches a high level of proficiency, and acceptance, There is NO better or best or worse ONLY different - remember the use of comparisons and superlatives reduces OUR art to the level of merely sport. AND Can you imagine someone telling you that tomato sauce tastes better on a spaghetti noodle than it does on a macaroni noodle ? Sauce is sauce - what the hell is the difference. One either likes something or doesn't , - - Hmmm >> "personal Taste"
wow - what a novel idea !
PJMPercussion 1 year ago
Once a performer reaches a high level of proficiency, and acceptance, There is NO better or best or worse ONLY different - - remember the use of comparisons and superlatives reduces OUR art to the level of merely "sport".
PJMPercussion 1 year ago
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RhdajWdjjkk 1 year ago
Bickering about who's who as the 'best' gets childish. But one thing is for sure - Stan Kenton defined 'Modern Jazz'. He brought it to our ears, blazing a trail through a lot of cornball sounds going nowhere.
JAZZOLOGIST1 1 year ago
it is really quite simple this is the definitive version of the pea nut vendor by the band which I think kind of went on and on being the best band in the 50's
athlete1983 1 year ago
It was over 30 years ago when I first heard this song and the peppy energetic beat of the music made me a fan of the song. For a live performance, consider what a performer is experiencing in doing that number.
ALANRLEAKE 1 year ago
"Jazz artists don't compete, they're artists." ~ Maynard Ferguson
Little History
3 degrees of Kenton: Maynard played for Kenton (5th solo trumpet), Chase played in Maynard's band (was let go for having chops problems, later straightened that out and played for Herman) Bill Chase forms his own group after playing with Herman.
sirdaniel1975 1 year ago 6
5 man trumpet line...lovely discordance, reminds me of Chase, also of that era.
byronbbender 1 year ago
Cannot fathom how these racist comments are on a jazz website? It speaks to all of the ignorances of our World. Jazz is to be celebrated for it's art, and not the color of our skin.
73parman 1 year ago
I love the comments about the hater. But this just isn't a band my friends, it's an orchestra. Big difference. This was when Jazz emerged as the single most magical musical genre born within the United States. It was an art form that is in danger of being lost due to School budget cuts & electric pianos. Support the Arts!
73parman 1 year ago 5
I love the trumpet players getting up, the collective thought, "This flute geezer has to go" running through their heads and then laying down a wall of brass! Outstanding.
lurcherlongdog 1 year ago 2
This is THE band. I went to 3 clinics with this Kenton band back in '73, Springfield and Sacramento. What an experience for a girl of 18, and I still love jazz and still play. Does anyone know what happened to Mike Wallace? I've been trying to find his solo, Tenderly, on YouTube but with no luck. Thanks to whoever is posting these videos. What memories!!
saxuallyadequate 1 year ago
@saxuallyadequate On the posts to another video there is one saying that Mike Wallace is living in Dallas, Phil Herring, bass trombone/tuba, is in Seattle I think, and the other trombonists are deceased.
CarolinaNIM 5 months ago
Adds in a nice bit of horror at 4.13. "...just then Damien stepped onto the stage." The extreme dissonance caught me by surprise. Was this a regular thing in this style of music? By this composer?
YusefGuitarum 1 year ago
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By the arranger, I'm certain.
generalbullmoose 1 year ago
What a treat to remember Dick Schearer leading that trombone section!
cdmjazz 1 year ago
The flautist, Richard Torres, is alive and kicking in Indianapolis! I know because I've played a few hundred gigs with him.........
ItsudemoAibon 1 year ago
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maxthevid 1 year ago
I must say, the way the Bass-Bone takes over for the bari just both cracks me up and gives me the shivers everytime I hear it. Wow! Just wow, what a sound from both the Bass-bone and the rest of the Band!
firefly09td 1 year ago
Not even close to being the best jazz ensemble of all time, Phoenix! I don't hear a lot of jazz here; it's just about all arrangement, and pompous at that, in true Kenton style. Very white bread (and just plain white), overblown, unjazz, un-New Orleans blues. But a lot of people I like, including Charlie Rich, admired Kenton, and he had some great musicians, incl. a young Stan Getz. And all the other posters here.
charold3 1 year ago 2
@charold3 ..not sure why you need to be add racial angle to this...I have heard people in the past use this same derisive term for so-called "white music"...if it is not your bag, why do you need to use that loaded term...maybe there are people out there who like white , black, spanish, asian, indian, or maybe they don't like "black" jazz, or spanish or salsa music......is it ok if i say i don't like "black physics"(we certainly would not have gone to the moon with that..LOL)
dallas1963 1 year ago
@dallas1963 It's hard for me to ignore the fact that Kenton was a bit of a racist--to what degree isn't clear to me. He wrote an angry letter to the Down Beat editor in the '50s about the almost all-black winners of a critics' poll--as if jazz were not a black art form (which it certainly is). But even if he was not a racist, I think his music is overblown and ultimately forgettable--WASP jazz. And it doesn't swing. (PS I am white myself!)
charold3 1 year ago
@charold3 you are probably confusing the word "racist" with bigotry(as many people do today )..remember, to be a racist, one has to believe someone is GENETICALLY inferior..key word genetics....racism is also defined as a OFFICIAL POLICY OR PROGRAM, based on race(ironically enough, the way Affirmative Action is practiced today is actually a racist policy, based upon definiton)..so, the fact that you site Kenton's angry letter may show bigotry, but no evidence of racism
dallas1963 1 year ago
@dallas1963 ...i sure hope, for yours and society's benefit, that you have a much higher threshold for racism than letter to the editor in the 1950s....just as it was wrong to treat blacks unfairly back in the day, leveling an extremely serious, life altering charge such as racism should require a mountain of evidence....other that being labeled a murder, rapist, or child molester , no other label is as permanently life altering as the charge of racism...
dallas1963 1 year ago
@dallas1963 if that is all the evidence you require, than please excuse yourself from any potential jury pool the next time you get a jury duty summons....I hope you are equally upset of the vicious, RACIST, SEXIST, VILE spew that is common in black music(Rap, etc)...this is litterally poisoning the the black community
dallas1963 1 year ago
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charold3 1 year ago
@charold3 "Point well made, taken" re: your first reply, Dallas 1963. You wade a bit into the swampiness of unreason in the later two replies. But that is your right.
charold3 1 year ago
@charold3 Standing up for your own race is not defined as being racist. Look at how much money and publicity Miles Davis got. He couldn't play Sweet Sue in whole notes....Most of the best trumpeters were white back then. Conti Condoli could play circles around Miles. So Kentons angry letter has merit. At least his band played in tune, which was more than Basie's band accomplished.
M1GARRAND1 1 year ago
@M1GARRAND1 I don't imagine I can reason with you, and that's fine. If you want to think that Condoli is a "better" trumpter than Miles, that's fine too. (I knew a guy who claimed, straightfaced, that Steve Allen was a better painist than Thelonious!) Just don't expect a lot of people to agree with you.
charold3 1 year ago
@charold3 I have heard Miles in person. I have been playing and listening to Jazz for over 30 years. Art has nothing to do with the ability to make a trumpet sing. Miles was a great writer and arranger, but I was embarrassed for him. What was coming out of his horn was not MUSIC. Putting up with the lack of ability has ruined the modern music scene. How did you ever get into a conversation on Steve Allen vs. Monk? LOL
M1GARRAND1 1 year ago
@M1GARRAND1 The person who claimed Steve Allen was better than Monk was being hyperbolic--or I choose to see it that way! But I strongly disagree with you re: Miles not being able to play. Now, at some points in his life, due to bad health or substance abuse, he played weakly. And there are many trumpeters, from Doc Severenson to Buddy Hackett, who were technically more proficient, I guess. But up to at least the mid-'70s, Miles was the most interesting trumpeter in the world. That's my take.
charold3 1 year ago
@charold3 During the late 70's before he died,Kenton did have black musicians in his band, a trumpet plyer by the name of Kevin Jordan and a Bass Trombonist by the name of Doug Purviance. Another fact is a lot of black jazz musicians didn't read music that well either and to play in kenton's band you had to read music.Kenton was also very good friends with Nat King Cole who was on the same label.
jwjeffrey 1 year ago
@jwjeffrey What about after he died?
lurcherlongdog 1 year ago
@lurcherlongdog I didn't follow the band after Stan died,I wasn't interested in a tribute band
jwjeffrey 1 year ago
@jwjeffrey I didn't know that. Thanks. (I figured some blacks played with Kenton somewhere along the line, but not many.) There are/were doubtless a lot of (black) jazz musicians unable to read music; Errol Garner may be the best example. But many could read, and read well. I don't accept your reasoning. I see evidence that Kenton had race problems and virtually no evidence to the contrary.
charold3 11 months ago
@jwjeffrey there are a hell of a lot of white musician who can't read a lick either. This is racist drivel.
foodwineguy 11 months ago
@jwjeffrey there are a hell of a lot of white musician who can't read a lick either. This is racist drivel. I'm not blaming Stan Kenton for the lack of black players, Woody Herman had few as well. Basie had few white players. But it is an insult to say that black players can't read.
foodwineguy 11 months ago
@foodwineguy The fact of the matter is alot of black musicians back in the 40's and 50's didn't read music.And the ones that did didn't want to play with Kenton.Leonard Feather started that Kenton was rascist wheen he wrote for Downbeat magazine Feather later retracked that staemen.Another reason a lot of blacks didn't play with Kenton was they didn't like his band cause it didn't swing.I'm not stating anything that's not fact. By the way I am black and I saw kenton band in the 70's.
jwjeffrey 11 months ago
@jwjeffrey Again, give me proof that black's couldn't read music. This is just an absolute racist statement. As to Stan Kenton, I don't know one way or the other about his racial beliefs. Yet you constantly put out a factually incorrect statement, black musicians couldn't read. There were black bands that had intricate charts and white bands with simplistic ones. I think the real reason so few black players played in "white" bands in the 50 is Americas' racism and segrigation.
foodwineguy 11 months ago
@jwjeffrey Again, give me proof that black's couldn't read music. This is just an absolute racist statement. As to Stan Kenton, I don't know one way or the other about his racial beliefs. Yet you constantly put out a factually incorrect statement, black musicians couldn't read. There were black bands that had intricate charts and white bands with simplistic ones. I think the real reason so few black players played in "white" bands in the 50 is Americas' racism and segregation.
foodwineguy 11 months ago
@jwjeffrey Again, give me proof that black's couldn't read music. This is just an absolute racist statement. As to Stan Kenton, I don't know one way or the other about his racial beliefs. Yet you constantly put out a factually incorrect statement, black musicians couldn't read. There were black bands that had intricate charts and white bands with simplistic ones. I think the real reason so few black players played in "white" bands in the 50 is Americas' racism and segregation.
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@jwjeffrey Again, give me proof that black's couldn't read music. This is just an absolute racist statement. As to Stan Kenton, I don't know one way or the other about his racial beliefs. Yet you constantly put out a factually incorrect statement, black musicians couldn't
read. There were black bands that had intricate charts and white bands with simplistic ones. I think the real reason so few black players played in "white" bands in the 50 is Americas' racism and segregation.
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@jwjeffrey there are a hell of a lot of white musician who can't read a lick either. This is racist drivel. I'm not blaming Stan Kenton for the lack of black players, Woody Herman had few as well. Basie had few white players. But it is an insult to say that black players can't read.
foodwineguy 11 months ago
Stan Kenton was very specific about not having his band be just another swing band which were rampant at the time. In fact he detested playing swing charts because of this.
darkmikolai 1 year ago
Not bad, but the definitive version of this is on the Capitol "Kenton in High Fi" released around 1955. Re-released on CD, with a couple of tracks that were "experimentaly" recorded in full stereo. I have that CD, and it's the BOMB, man.
LawrenceDavis 1 year ago
What an amazing performance by this truly fantastic orchestra.This has always been one of my best loved big band/jazz number and to actually watch them perform it is something else.
billboy508 1 year ago
Glory, glory, Hallelujah.
Pugophile 1 year ago
My favorite Kenton version of The Peanut Vendor (El Manisero) is the one on his Capitol album "The Road Show." In addition to the usual brass contribution, he's got a huge battery of percussionists. They launch into an extended blitz with the band vamping in the background. Unbelieveable. I don't know hhow the album sounds on the CD, but it's near state-of-the-art sound on LP.
PalJoey1957 1 year ago
No matter how good all the trumpet players are - and they ARE all highly talented here - you always know which one is Mike Vax!
generalbullmoose 1 year ago
Two people on first?
Capcoor 1 year ago
Great,but why five trumpets?
Capcoor 1 year ago
Chord spread throughout more octaves? That and maybe the ninth chords, but I'm just throwing stuff out there.
AdamWhitacre 1 year ago
@Capcoor the uassully have like two or three firsts
TheTubaEmporer 1 year ago
@Capcoor 5 trumpet parts
btj89 1 year ago
@btj89 Kenton often had atypical arrangements, like 5 trumpet parts or sax section of 1xAlto , 2xTenor, 2xBari, tubas and all kindsa stuff.
joefisgwy 1 year ago
Thanks Baz. This alwaays was a great Kenton number. I could kick myself 72 London ?? I could have been there easily ? Why the hell not ?? Stupido !!!
teazle2 1 year ago
I love the way that man plays that piano. Anyone know where I can find the piano sheet music for this piece? Contact me if so.
motownman9191 1 year ago
one word: wow.
Thumper715 1 year ago
Looking for anything on my father, the late Jimmy "Red" Borland, who sang with the Pastels in 1947 (Kenton's vocal group)...
empirecarpetsux 1 year ago
i really needed this song so thanks. it sounds so good.
who knew old music would sound so good.
yaNihere 2 years ago
That is awesome!!!
shotwalker 2 years ago
Love this tune..
LLJtbone 2 years ago
Er um '72 lol.
supernole100 2 years ago
My favortie version! Kenton '76 all the way!!!
supernole100 2 years ago
Time to light up an Upmann or Hoya methinks... wonderful stuff!
marsvltor2 2 years ago
Breathtakingly brilliant!!!
humanist7117 2 years ago
haha 4:20. love that chord. :)
siLveRscOpe13x 2 years ago 2
Everyone loves 420 >.>
nurzumspass 2 years ago 2
Stan the man, love the version with The governer Maynard Ferguson
TheCoventrykid 2 years ago
"el manisero"
Surmusicp 2 years ago
What an all-star trumpet line!!!!!!! Jay Saunders, Noday, Vax, and Marcinkiewicz in the same section? Awesome!!!
kdkn92 2 years ago 8
I was lucky enough to meet Stan and some members of the band including Dick Shearer when they played at Southport UK in 1976. I was 16 years old.
This great music will live forever.
cakeyspig 2 years ago 2
Really not that great if you've lived through the Skatellites version.
yes - it's here on youtube
fnslr308 2 years ago
"The Peanut Vendor had a second life as a hit number when Stan Kenton recorded it with his big band for Capitol Records, in 1947."
"The Skatalites are a ska band from Jamaica. They played initially between 1963 and 1965"
obviously this isn't from 1947, but the arrangement is.
amcsdmi 2 years ago
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Stan Kenton copied off of Dizzy using latin rhythms in his band. It sounds so bland and flat. Dizzy was the first to use this style and is sounded way better. Nice effort Stan!!!!!
mayurasana 2 years ago
wow....stan kenton used latin rhythms and so did dizzy, and getz, and andres segovia. lots of people did. its not called copying either
Talis64 2 years ago
Though this may be true...musicians are allowed to copy styles from one another. Take for example improv. solos on the trumpet Miles Davis first comes to mind, many have copied his style. As long is credit is given where its needed then its fine. So dont go getting you panties in a bunch. Just enjoy the music!!!
supernole100 2 years ago
I had the honor of having the Mike Vax Big Band come to my school and give a clinic to us and they played this song. It was incredible. Kim Richmond on flute and crazy Dennis Noday and Mike Vax screamer battles...Awesome...nothing but good things to say about Kenton. Great Recording!
tenorsaxmaster5 2 years ago
screech trumpeter sounded like a lame duck
enlitened1234 2 years ago
@enlitened1234 Courtesy of 3rd trumpeter Mike Vax.
satchm05 1 year ago
Wow. Stan Kenton totally rock. Whatever happened to just enjoying a piece of music for what it is? How about Stan Kenton always trying new stuff? trying to push the envelope? I can only hope to once be like that. Don't lose your love for music with a bad attitude!!
damilesman 2 years ago 2
Thank you damiles man. you had to be really good to play in his band. Check out his version of send in the clowns or Street of Dreams . 5 trumpets, 5bones, 5 saxes. It will blow you rmind. Greatest brass section.
gouldenshow 2 years ago
Speaking of swinging big bands....and I had the pleasure early in my musical career to work with Kenton.......how bout the current Big Phat Band und ordon Goodwin???????
talk about an asswhoopin freight train.........
drummistic 2 years ago
wow what a sound,no other band had that wall of sound.i think his band of that time was the best.thanks for posting
mikebuddy1 2 years ago
wow. were playing this in my band
16CocoPuffs 2 years ago
Best band of all time? Like arguing blondes vs red heads vs brunettes! It's all good.
jgardner307 2 years ago 5
haha
well said
000Fenderbender 2 years ago
totally matey!
Gollum9522 2 years ago
I bought a trumpet from Jay Saunders (lead trumpet) while taking lessons when we were both at North Texas (UNT) around '75. I would guess that it's the same one since he told me at the time it was the one he used on the Kenton gig.
deanokimbo 2 years ago
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To make me feel better after all of the stupid comments....
STAN
KENTON
SUCKS!!!!!!!!!
BUJaZzDJ 2 years ago
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volleyballgirl0403 2 years ago
I love the Trombonist near the begging. His moving eyebrows. Great solo. Great Chart!!!
Dosn't need swinging that would be cheesy.
geralddjembemartin 2 years ago
Okay, (*sighs*)
"it doesn't need to swing, That's cheezy"? Well, what the hell does jazz do then? I don't know about you, but I don't see many jazz musicians tapping their feet on 1 and 3, and I certainly DO NOT do that either. So i'm assuming that being said, you CAN NOT say that this is Jazz, because it doesn't swing. But you probably don't listen to REAL jazz music, just Stan Kenton shit...
BUJaZzDJ 2 years ago
Okay bud, this is more a latin chart than a swing chart. You are completely off to say all chats swing, and that jazz as a whole swings. Jazz is much more than just swing. I have to agree with gerald, swinging this chart would cause it to lose almost entirely its feel.
Phoenix894650 2 years ago 2
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First of all, don't call me bud. Secondly, it's been stated before and i'll state it again, Latin charts CAN swing. Yes, it is possible. Thirdly, Jazz Swings. Don't be an idiot and say that "Jazz as a whole doesn't swing". That's the stupidest thing i've ever heard, yes it does. Jazz is made up of several elements, and while i agree swinging isn't everything, it's a HUGE part. Lastly, swinging this chart wouldn't make it lose it's "feel", it would make it less straight and boring.
BUJaZzDJ 2 years ago
Sure, latin charts can swing. But then again, can't swing charts have a somba or bossa feel? I don't get what you're saying by stating jazz always swings. I will say this again, however, that is you dont like this band, THEN STOP LISTENING TO IT! This video doesn't need negative comments like yours, if you have a problem, then go and listen to your Mel Lewis, it doesn't matter to the rest of us.
Phoenix894650 2 years ago 18
@Phoenix894650 Agreed
thewhiteone102 7 months ago
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This is VERY depressing. You guys are REALLY BAD at swinging!!!
BUJaZzDJ 2 years ago
i hope you are joking. you are saying that the Stan Kenton band cant swing? .........dumbass
menza1man 2 years ago
"I hope you are joking. you are saying that the Stan Kenton band cant swing?.......dumbass". Well I guess we were watching different videos of different bands (maybe the "Thad Jones & Mel Lewis Band", they swing for REAL). You need to learn what SWINGING really is because you have NO IDEA! Like Jazclarinetist said, you can swing on a latin beat, Diz did it all the time. And anyway, what gives you the right to call ME a dumbass? You're the jazz illiterate...
BUJaZzDJ 2 years ago
Watch this /watch?v=Q4JgG8iyOyY and then say stan kenton can't swing. If you seriously think the Stan Kenton Orchestra can't swing, then I would have say you are the "jazz illiterate". The peanut vendor may not be a swing chart but that gives you no right to make a dumbass comment like that.
bassbone1785 2 years ago 2
Arguably the best jazz ensemble of all time, and you're saying that they can't swing? If you have such a problem, don't listen to this band!
Phoenix894650 2 years ago 10
While I agree that Stan Kenton and his band are a great bunch of musicians, I don't agree that they're "Arguably the best jazz ensemble of all time", I would say Thad Jones/Mel Lewis Big Band gets that title. And I wouldn't listen to this if people like you didn't keep commenting me and making me angry...
BUJaZzDJ 2 years ago
Whatever, the only band I would say gives this ensemble a run for its money would be Buddy Rich's.
Phoenix894650 2 years ago 4
who is the solo trombonists?
jazztrombone09 2 years ago
Try swinging!!!! I know it's hard, but you guys are just terrible at it!
*to the jazz illiterate, you can swing on a latin beat. Diz did it all the time.
jazclarinetist 2 years ago
What a trombone solo. The best trombone in a chart ever on any version. Great piece of music. stan Kenton is a ledgend. Wicked Trumpets!!!
geralddjembemartin 2 years ago
Great chart!!! Those trumpets are the best ever. Also, nice wart on yer face flutist!!! lol.!!!!!!
supernole100 3 years ago
Mag-fucking-nificent!
Pugophile 3 years ago
Dick Shearer was a Beast. Wow.
IOLTA 3 years ago
this is great! I love the trombone part.
capedone 3 years ago
Stan Kenton...classic!!!
KT1494 3 years ago
**Insane** One of the great Cuban cuts ever!!
KT1494 3 years ago
And the refrain: PEANUTS!!!!!!!!!!!! OH YES!!
wynthrop1 3 years ago
03:15 - Hear Mike Vax? Man that boy was bad!
generalbullmoose 3 years ago
Mike Vax was just in Mpls where I am to do a one night show with U of M jazz I. I am so glad I got to see him do his stuff!! I think this was just this past spring.
thbeatgozon 3 years ago
my band is playing this song!!
girlbaby206 3 years ago
Everytime I hear that trumpet chord, I get this awesome chill down my spine, Kenton forver!
Phoenix894650 3 years ago
It's difficult enough to play in tune and in time. This chart calls for super concentration.
Gohuk 3 years ago
I typed in my exact birthday, Feb 6, 1972 and found this. So this is what was going on the day I was born....Cool.
chumbersdee 3 years ago
4:11 YEAH!!!!!!!!!
feelingextrovert 3 years ago
this is one of our songs in our marching band show this year..
kylebrown1221 3 years ago
You know, I think your right Kylebrown, but we dont use flutes XD
puregamergirl 3 years ago
we use piccolo's! and i think our show will be flippin sweet!
we start the song today...in band camp.
yeahh! i'm so excited..
kylebrown1221 3 years ago
thanks for the info calista!
haha!
kylebrown1221 3 years ago
zomg kyle :O I fount you on youtube
~linda
liro9089 3 years ago
absolutley out of this world love u ken
dogme96 3 years ago
I like it at 3:23 when they all start petting their saxaphones.
Pikmar27 3 years ago 2
YADIRA!
burningpaw 3 years ago
This is my favorite Stan Kenton and as many zillions of times I have heard it, Kenton never does it the same way twice.
Towards the end when the trumpets are blasting note on tope of note, I just break out in googsebumps! I like too the way it begins fairly softly and then builds and builds until that crashing end.
Kenton's music is good as ANYTHING written by anyone, and he KNEW how to exploit every nuance of a piece of music.
Wow! Wow! and triple Wow! Fantastic!. . . jenny
jenny6664 3 years ago 4
Hi When I listen to this modern crap and the second rate musicians {heavy metal and rock crap} I realize that the world is in a rapid decline as far as music is concerned. Try and tell this to the young`ns, they think they have a lock on music. My son decided to become a rock guitarist, he tried jazz but could`nt develope the technique necessary to play it. Rock was"easy." There`ll never be another Kenton....PITY.
re6356 3 years ago
I would try to be a bit more optomistic. I am only fourteen, but unlike most of the kids i know, I'm not all that into metal n' rock. I'm playing lead bone in a middle school jazz band. Not much, but I've recently entered a stan kenton Phase. Im loving ths work of Dick shearer(lead bone). I also know a few other guys from yearly festivals and competitions that seem to have a bright fture as well. I think there could easily be another Kenton, cause there are some great young musicians out there.
waffleboy83 3 years ago 2
Waffleboy83. That`s what I like to hear. Good luck to you I hope you are right. My niece is in a jazz orientated school group and she remonstrates my opinions, "There are lots of kids who like the higher standards," she reminds me, you must be one of them. Once again good luck, I hope you achieve your goal. The 'bone' is`nt an easy instrument.
re6356 3 years ago
i love this so much
shiningstar07 3 years ago
Who is the flautist?
Marchawc 3 years ago
Richard Torres
TonyBurrell2 3 years ago
your mom
Pikmar27 3 years ago
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Your mother is a remarkable skin flautist.
satchm05 3 years ago
One of the best offerings from the great Kenton. Love it.
re6356 3 years ago
Your mom was one of the best offerings from the great Kenton, and i loved it too.
Pikmar27 3 years ago
The sign on the front of his tour bus said- No Where, always thought that was neat.
666fred313 3 years ago
thx for posting Kenton....do you hv "Dynaflow"??? ala 1950... cant find it anywhere
melody789321 3 years ago
Holy Moly! I playe the bone lead at York Comprehensive High School (SC) in 1979. It's been a long time since Kenton. Thanks to John Bostic for my guidance and vision!
hef1543 3 years ago
I saw this performed by this band when I was a mere junior in high school (knoxville, TN) - my first exposure to a name jazz band. Such a high - I shall never forget it. Thanks for posting.
soulman7 3 years ago
AWESOME !!!!!!
wcb1334 3 years ago 2
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Your mom was awesome last night in bed.
Pikmar27 3 years ago
Thats odd!! My mom`s been dead!!! for 9 years.
re6356 3 years ago
Necrophilia is not as uncommon as you might think.
plimbuff 3 years ago
27 ur face
waffleboy83 3 years ago
uh. in bed.
Pikmar27 3 years ago
stimmt, Gänsehautmusik ! Ich suche ´´ Birthday in Britain `` liveaufnahme. Kann jemand helfen?
blondinen2 3 years ago
right
Pikmar27 3 years ago
My favourite tune of all time.
I am a traditional jazz fan but this is something else.I bought the 78 in 1955 but it still makes my hair stand on end.Brilliant.
tonykemp 4 years ago 2
Fantastic! How I miss the big swinging bands. None other than Igor Stravinsky praised this Kenton rendition for it's atonal chords.
seque69 4 years ago
... Kenton72, so was von locker-flockig,
aber trotzdem exakt. Großartig.
Der beste Kenton für mich durch alle Dekaden.
Egbert1957 4 years ago
Yessssssss!!!! Go gettem Stan! jenny
jenny6664 4 years ago