@harmon92 The Carbine wasnt made for range, it was made for close to medium range 1 shot kills, which it did very well. At 0-50 yards the .30 Carbine with its low velocity round nsed bullet causes a wound cavity the size of a basketball, 50-100 yards, a cavity the size of a canalope. .30 Carbine cartridge = small sized round with great stopping power and short range, all in all, a GREAT round for the job.
@LoneWolf051 Modern ammunition has improved the .30 carbine's ballistics. But there are numerous reports of the round failing to stop targets after 6+ hits in WWII and Korea. It was a decent round for personal defense.
Still, for all the GIs that hated it, there are many who loved it. It's a very polarizing weapon and cartridge.
@harmon92 The Modern made .30 Carbine is the same as it was in WWII, ie. 110-120 grain copper bullet and shell casing with smokeless powder, same as today, only to civilians, you can get hollow point ammo, for more damage. The WWII FMJ rounds had the energy to create the canalope sized cavity, smaller, but still effective, cant see someone going very far with his internal organs being liquified by the low velocity, round nosed .30 carbine.
@LoneWolf051 I have not seen any tests, in ballistics gel or otherwise (not that those are above tampering or anything), of the .30 cal cartridge. All I have are your words against the testimony of American GIs who used the weapon and cartridge in combat. And from the information I have, I find the idea of a 1-shot kill with the .30 carbine more than a bit suspect.
@LoneWolf051 The clay was not wearing big, thick winter clothing like the Germans and Chinese would, which would drastically slow down a flat-nosed cartridge whereas a spitzer-type cartridge would easily penetrate and cause massive damage.
@harmon92 Still, even if it had thick clothes on the damage would've been less, of course, but would've still caused a large cavity about 6 inches wide and a foot deep, I've done similar tests with my Carbine, I shot a ballistics clay block through a phonebook (representing thick clothes), it went through the book, slowed down significantly of course, but hit and caused a cavity in the mold about the size of a softball and penetrated 7 inches in the block, enough to put my fist and wrist in.
@LoneWolf051 Clay does not have the same properties of the human body. Clothes or not. And I must state my incredulity over your claim that you tested the M1 Carbine in those conditions. As they say, pics or shens. Regardless, the M1 Carbine was designed as a *defensive* weapon for Army officers and men who would probably not be directly involved in combat or need the range of a Garand. And the .30 Carbine cartridge has a mixed track record at best as a man-stopper.
@harmon92 Yeah, clay isnt an exact replica of a huan body, but it does represent the cavitation a bullet makes. I tested the bullet with the clay and phonebook to see what kind of cavitation the round would to when passing through an obstruction. I would say if you hit in the arm or leg, you'd survive, but likely loose that limb, and if you were hit bin the abdomen or torso, from behind a thick uniform, but werent hit dead-on, you'd likely survive, but would be severly wounded.
@harmon92 Yes clay isnt as dense as a real human body, but the cavity the clay mold had shot in it, is the same size as the damage you'd have if you were hit by the bullet, that huge cavity the block of clay had was about the size of a basketball, so if a person was say, hit in the stomach by a carbine, the size of the damage in his stomach would be the size of the cavity in that clay, hardly survivable, you're intestines, stomach, spleen, kidneys, colon, would all be splattered on the ground.
@LoneWolf051 So even though the hole from a .30 Carbine would be the size of maybe a baseball, the unseen internal damage to the victim (cavitation) would be as large as the one you saw in the video (basketball size cavity) so every organ within that basketball sized internal cavity would be completely obliterated, and thus almost unsurvivable. Not bad for a personal defence bullet IMHO.
he never took the safety off!
JohannWendt 9 months ago
@JohannWendt It's a miracle. Maybe US propaganda to confuse the sovjets!
captainbackflash 9 months ago
That would of been the all time gun if the m1 garand would of had a clip like that instead of that 8 shot clip thing.
winfieldfootball 2 years ago
@winfieldfootball Maybe, the M1 carbine's bullet was lacking in power and range. The M14 on the other hand....
harmon92 1 year ago
@harmon92 The Carbine wasnt made for range, it was made for close to medium range 1 shot kills, which it did very well. At 0-50 yards the .30 Carbine with its low velocity round nsed bullet causes a wound cavity the size of a basketball, 50-100 yards, a cavity the size of a canalope. .30 Carbine cartridge = small sized round with great stopping power and short range, all in all, a GREAT round for the job.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 Modern ammunition has improved the .30 carbine's ballistics. But there are numerous reports of the round failing to stop targets after 6+ hits in WWII and Korea. It was a decent round for personal defense.
Still, for all the GIs that hated it, there are many who loved it. It's a very polarizing weapon and cartridge.
harmon92 1 year ago
@harmon92 The Modern made .30 Carbine is the same as it was in WWII, ie. 110-120 grain copper bullet and shell casing with smokeless powder, same as today, only to civilians, you can get hollow point ammo, for more damage. The WWII FMJ rounds had the energy to create the canalope sized cavity, smaller, but still effective, cant see someone going very far with his internal organs being liquified by the low velocity, round nosed .30 carbine.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 I have not seen any tests, in ballistics gel or otherwise (not that those are above tampering or anything), of the .30 cal cartridge. All I have are your words against the testimony of American GIs who used the weapon and cartridge in combat. And from the information I have, I find the idea of a 1-shot kill with the .30 carbine more than a bit suspect.
harmon92 1 year ago
@harmon92 Well if you want to see the damage a .30 Carbine will do, then type in "Weaponology: French Foriegn Legion - part 4"
Its shot into a ballistics clay mold representing a human torso, enjoy.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 The clay was not wearing big, thick winter clothing like the Germans and Chinese would, which would drastically slow down a flat-nosed cartridge whereas a spitzer-type cartridge would easily penetrate and cause massive damage.
harmon92 1 year ago
@harmon92 Still, even if it had thick clothes on the damage would've been less, of course, but would've still caused a large cavity about 6 inches wide and a foot deep, I've done similar tests with my Carbine, I shot a ballistics clay block through a phonebook (representing thick clothes), it went through the book, slowed down significantly of course, but hit and caused a cavity in the mold about the size of a softball and penetrated 7 inches in the block, enough to put my fist and wrist in.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@harmon92 I'd say even wth thic clothes on, you'd still be dead, or, at the VERY least, out of the fight for good.
Not all enemies however, had thick uniforms on, look at Normandy, Holland, The Pacific, Africa, Sicily, and Italy. Thin layered uniforms.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 Clay does not have the same properties of the human body. Clothes or not. And I must state my incredulity over your claim that you tested the M1 Carbine in those conditions. As they say, pics or shens. Regardless, the M1 Carbine was designed as a *defensive* weapon for Army officers and men who would probably not be directly involved in combat or need the range of a Garand. And the .30 Carbine cartridge has a mixed track record at best as a man-stopper.
harmon92 1 year ago
@harmon92 Yeah, clay isnt an exact replica of a huan body, but it does represent the cavitation a bullet makes. I tested the bullet with the clay and phonebook to see what kind of cavitation the round would to when passing through an obstruction. I would say if you hit in the arm or leg, you'd survive, but likely loose that limb, and if you were hit bin the abdomen or torso, from behind a thick uniform, but werent hit dead-on, you'd likely survive, but would be severly wounded.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@harmon92 Yes clay isnt as dense as a real human body, but the cavity the clay mold had shot in it, is the same size as the damage you'd have if you were hit by the bullet, that huge cavity the block of clay had was about the size of a basketball, so if a person was say, hit in the stomach by a carbine, the size of the damage in his stomach would be the size of the cavity in that clay, hardly survivable, you're intestines, stomach, spleen, kidneys, colon, would all be splattered on the ground.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@LoneWolf051 So even though the hole from a .30 Carbine would be the size of maybe a baseball, the unseen internal damage to the victim (cavitation) would be as large as the one you saw in the video (basketball size cavity) so every organ within that basketball sized internal cavity would be completely obliterated, and thus almost unsurvivable. Not bad for a personal defence bullet IMHO.
LoneWolf051 1 year ago
@harmon92 Maybe the soldiers were missing. You know, even combat testimonials are not always accurate.
esh325 5 months ago
@harmon92 I saw a test. I have the link. And it totally disproves that myth.
esh325 5 months ago
Awesome! Like the guy with the rain hat on lol just joking i know what it is!
WWIIAustrailianTroop 3 years ago