To me it requires listening several times due to the engineering/microphone placement. Additionally, when were the recordings made? The concept of this "cage match" is great. How would Chaliapin fare?
interesante contraste de culturas, a los italianos le gustaban los hombres castrados que cantaban alto mientras que al imperio ruso le gustaban los bajos y sus voces grabes
Somebody please pony up the moolah and contract a chorus with all three of these bad muthas singing in the bass section. Then watch every man on earth stop breathing and every pair of women's panties instantly vaporize. LOL.
I just love the deep bass sound! we had a guy in our choir in high school who (with proper training) could've been a russian bass. it was amazing to listen to him sing.
@fuitbag I've heard each of them hit F1. So their voices are equally powerful. The only exception with Yuri is that his F1 is much darker and resonant.
Of the three, only Yuri Wichniakov goes the distance (albeit with 2 other basses still singing the octave higher, which is partially hiding Wichniakov's super low voice). Heard at 0:15 to 0:17 -- he does decide to sing an octave lower than Miller (clip2) or Pasuikov (clip3), before going back UP to the G1. Neither of the two even try singing the lower octave that Wichniakov hits.
Unbelieveable the notes are so powerfully captured w/o a mic directly in front of their faces. Kudos to all 3 BP's!
Miller does hit G1 twice in the video watch?v=0oMjRhlaMaI.
Mikhail Kruglov (YTID: oktavistmk) also appears to hit the note briefly in watch?v=mmUK3Pr6wiA. That would at least give you three examples of the same sung note, though not in the same piece. But Yuri would still win, IMO.
@OlDoinyo But Mikhail Kruglov is still young (not yet 40). So far I remember, Wishniakov's G1 was recorded when he was about 45 or 50 years old. I'd like to imagine how Kruglov sings at 50.
Wichniakov hits an actual G1 with great power, hence he wins. Janmoeyaert1: I have no idea which idiots would mark your non-aggressive, factually correct comment down, but you are right, there is definitely only one G1 here, and its singer definitely NAILED IT!
Vichniakov sounds the cleanest and most on-pitch, I must admit. Miller and Pasuikov are both ragged in their pitch control--Miller drifts a full semitone flat on the third note; Pasuikov is also flat in places and seems to scoop a number of his notes. Miller does have the prettiest voice of the three.
Wichniakov clearly has the G1. But it is impossible to make an accurate comparison of his voice to the other two because he is singing with two other basses.
For the record, Pasuikov and his entire choir are flat in this clip -- therefore he is more or less singing a B1, giving him the second lowest voice, but only by accident. Only Miller stands alone, and in tune, at C1.
Is there any chance for a B flat cage match? That would be fascinating . . .
I'm sorry but, but there's only ONE low G here. Miller and Pasuikov don't go lower than a C. A better point of reference would be the sustained B-flat earlier in the same piece!
The most Basso Profundo in the world was Michail Zlatopoljskiej (he are also in the Guinner World Record!!). He song with tha Don Cossacks of Russia conducted by Marcel nicolajevich Verhoeff.
The issue with the clip of Wichniakov (Vishnyakov) is that there are two other profondo's singing with him. By himself, he has a much harsher sound, but these other profondo's, though not as powerful, fill out the gaps in his more raw timbre. Pasuikov has the darkest tone here. Miller seems to be a happy medium between the two. So, I don't really have a winner. All are great.
I support the notion of bass cage matches. If there is any way we can actually arrange for an all-out bass brawl, please let me know. I will bring the mud for wrestling.
I feel that it is Vladimir Miller that takes the cake here. He is quite able to steady his voice better than the rest of the three. He is also able to hit the Middle low notes exceptionally well even after deeply striking the bottom of his spectrum. Pasuikov's breathing is a little intense in my taste leads me to believe that the stability of his voice depends solely on his breath (which ran out). Anyway, I'd love to have any of their pipes or cords and I don't think I've hit lower than E flat.
Sorry, but why does Russia dominate these extreme voices? And they compose for such deep voices too, so are they actually "common" in Russia? (Please excuse my ignorance, but i am in awe!)
A lot of people think that, but I disagree. The reason for the commonality of low voices in Russia is that their culture is focused on this voice type, and so its development is pursued. Much like in Italy the tenor is always the hero, so italy had great tenors, because people always wanna be the hero:)
@MusashiTzu THis is true. What i have learned from our choir director at college is that in russia the basses are taught to control and develop their "vocal fry" range so that it actually sounds good. lol
But still, an Italian you might even kill and he wouldn't sing lower than now. There is something about genetics. I come from a choir singing nation and we have to look very carefully to find those 'octavists' - those who sing an octave lower :) We say that those guys are more to find in Ukraine and Russia. I myself was in a choir next to two guys singing. They were hitting low A without warm-up. A joy to work together.
@swatfour I think it has more to do with culture than genetics. Russian chorus masters scoured the country for octavos because they loved the sound. That doesn't mean there were necessarily more of them in Russia and Ukraine than in Italy, they just got more attention.
@DonegalRaymie201 well! i was actually told just today that in the us, we have so many growth hormones (mostly in beef) and that russia doesn't so this allows their bass voices to fully develop. as well as, yes, genetics and culture.
Wichniakov was clearly the best, not only because he actually sings the low G1, but he rips the heck out of it. The other guys are very good and are capable of a low G1, but they don't do it in these excerpts...not only that, the others seemed a bit pitchy at times, although I've heard them sing in other pieces and have been very impressive.
Wichniakov is KILLING it here. Does anyone else hear what I'm hearing? Based on these clips, I don't think there's any comparison...Miller's good, but I think it's a slam dunk.
Hey Mushitzu! thanks a lot for all these awesome videos you are putting on this site! They really are good examples of the great Russian Basso Profondos!
It should be noted that I do not think I'm up there with them in term quality, I mean goodness I'm only 20 haha. But hey random youtuber vs. the greats. What more of a laugh could you want right? :P.
If I'm not mistaken, only Wichniakov hits the bottom G; the other two settle for an octave higher on the second last note (the last being C). All 3 are impressive; I think Miller has the most beautiful bass voice; Pasuikov is a bit more profondo, with its own dark power and beauty; Wichniakov is rawest and deepest. Incidentally, he is accompanied in unison by 2 other profondi, who don't hit the bottom G.
Pasuikov is my 1st. His voice has an extremely dark timber, which makes him sound like a God. In addition, he has a better lower register than Miller.
It is hard to compare Wichniakov and Miller. Miller has a more powerful and operatic voice in the higher register, but Wichniakov has a monstrously low voice, much more powerful than Miller's in below the low C. So it's a tie for second.
I agree with your asessment as a dark timbre is more impressive to me than the lowness of the note actually being hit. But like most people I think Wichniakov has the most comfortable and powerful G.
Three versions of "Do not reject me in old age" First Viktor Wichniakov with an amazing low G. I think he has the most resonant low register of the three profundos but for my taste he borders on harsh sometimes. Next Vladimir Miller: I think he has the most control of his voice and has unmatched expression for a basso profundo. His range includes the low G as well, check his version of Vechnaya Pamyat. Then Vladimir Pasuikov just makes the stones cry.
how can i sing that low? i'm a bass but i wanna sing like that, can anyone teach me?
Quiller50 1 month ago
To me it requires listening several times due to the engineering/microphone placement. Additionally, when were the recordings made? The concept of this "cage match" is great. How would Chaliapin fare?
45acppistolero 3 months ago
@45acppistolero Chaliapin was a much higher voice. Maybe even a bass-baritone.
Agorante 1 month ago
@hondarideralex thatz crazy. my vocal fry sounds like a whispüer but i vcan get that timbre of the basso profundos a little bit
Gridrummer 5 months ago
interesante contraste de culturas, a los italianos le gustaban los hombres castrados que cantaban alto mientras que al imperio ruso le gustaban los bajos y sus voces grabes
joelflorew 6 months ago
Dang. I can only hit a low d right now. I'm only 13 :). My brother can hit a low a flat. He's 16.
MrEaseondowntheroad 9 months ago
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I´m lucky to be only a Bassbariton so I don´t have to sing so low...I can reach the big E and that´s enough
Bassbariton92 10 months ago
I´m lucky to be only Bassbariton so I don´t have to sing so low...i can reach the big E and that´s enough
Bassbariton92 10 months ago
@SambiOnAir You're a dumbass.
DrDringus 1 year ago
im 13 and i can already almost reach G1, idk how, but i just almost can
ryanman234 1 year ago
@ryanman234 Is it Legit or is it vocal fry?
darthvaderyoda 1 year ago
@darthvaderyoda I don't think voices like Wichniakov, Miller or Pasiukov need to know what vocal fry is.
1donpizarro 9 months ago
Somebody please pony up the moolah and contract a chorus with all three of these bad muthas singing in the bass section. Then watch every man on earth stop breathing and every pair of women's panties instantly vaporize. LOL.
hotlipsab 1 year ago
I just love the deep bass sound! we had a guy in our choir in high school who (with proper training) could've been a russian bass. it was amazing to listen to him sing.
kkkkatie92 1 year ago
Too bad operas don't have roles for them, although I think they could sing the lower bass roles like Osmin, Sarastro or the Grand Inquisitor.
Sieglinde84 1 year ago
aaaaaaaaaargggghhhhhhh (drools)
Perotinus1 1 year ago
holy snap i cant even hit E lololol
edeikuliu 1 year ago
these voices make me feel like a high soprano... oo;
restlesspride666 1 year ago
The only one who sings G1 in this video is Yuri Vishnyakov at 0:15-0:17. Miller and Pasuikov sing G2.
QuadirZ 2 years ago 16
@QuadirZ But does'nt Yuri have a lower register than them?
fuitbag 10 months ago
@fuitbag I've heard each of them hit F1. So their voices are equally powerful. The only exception with Yuri is that his F1 is much darker and resonant.
QuadirZ 10 months ago
@QuadirZ When he's hiting the G1 in that video,you know the lowest voices one?.Anyway it sounds way lower and more resonant.
fuitbag 10 months ago
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sean82091 2 years ago 3
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Sean82091. is this sean hayes from will and grace???
vasilis83 2 years ago
what makes you even consider that ?
spamisyummo 2 years ago
No, that isn't Sean Hayes. He doesn't have a bass voice.
seltaeb2589 2 years ago
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OliverKahnNr1 2 years ago
You can hit a b4? Sure you aren't a baritone?
restlesspride666 1 year ago
Of the three, only Yuri Wichniakov goes the distance (albeit with 2 other basses still singing the octave higher, which is partially hiding Wichniakov's super low voice). Heard at 0:15 to 0:17 -- he does decide to sing an octave lower than Miller (clip2) or Pasuikov (clip3), before going back UP to the G1. Neither of the two even try singing the lower octave that Wichniakov hits.
Unbelieveable the notes are so powerfully captured w/o a mic directly in front of their faces. Kudos to all 3 BP's!
earthping7 2 years ago 3
Miller does hit G1 twice in the video watch?v=0oMjRhlaMaI.
Mikhail Kruglov (YTID: oktavistmk) also appears to hit the note briefly in watch?v=mmUK3Pr6wiA. That would at least give you three examples of the same sung note, though not in the same piece. But Yuri would still win, IMO.
OlDoinyo 2 years ago
@OlDoinyo But Mikhail Kruglov is still young (not yet 40). So far I remember, Wishniakov's G1 was recorded when he was about 45 or 50 years old. I'd like to imagine how Kruglov sings at 50.
1donpizarro 9 months ago
Wichniakov hits an actual G1 with great power, hence he wins. Janmoeyaert1: I have no idea which idiots would mark your non-aggressive, factually correct comment down, but you are right, there is definitely only one G1 here, and its singer definitely NAILED IT!
OliverKahnNr1 2 years ago
wichniakov wins in my opinion
hatewybra 2 years ago
Vichniakov sounds the cleanest and most on-pitch, I must admit. Miller and Pasuikov are both ragged in their pitch control--Miller drifts a full semitone flat on the third note; Pasuikov is also flat in places and seems to scoop a number of his notes. Miller does have the prettiest voice of the three.
OlDoinyo 2 years ago
I have actually done a concert with Passuikov. Ha ha, when he entered all of the other basses (including myself) felt like tenors. ;-)
thetombombadil 2 years ago 34
@thetombombadil bullshit
themanfromlamancha 11 months ago
Wichniakov clearly has the G1. But it is impossible to make an accurate comparison of his voice to the other two because he is singing with two other basses.
For the record, Pasuikov and his entire choir are flat in this clip -- therefore he is more or less singing a B1, giving him the second lowest voice, but only by accident. Only Miller stands alone, and in tune, at C1.
Is there any chance for a B flat cage match? That would be fascinating . . .
hymnodyhands 2 years ago
I'm sorry but, but there's only ONE low G here. Miller and Pasuikov don't go lower than a C. A better point of reference would be the sustained B-flat earlier in the same piece!
janmoeyaert1 2 years ago
The most Basso Profundo in the world was Michail Zlatopoljskiej (he are also in the Guinner World Record!!). He song with tha Don Cossacks of Russia conducted by Marcel nicolajevich Verhoeff.
ItalianFindart 2 years ago
The issue with the clip of Wichniakov (Vishnyakov) is that there are two other profondo's singing with him. By himself, he has a much harsher sound, but these other profondo's, though not as powerful, fill out the gaps in his more raw timbre. Pasuikov has the darkest tone here. Miller seems to be a happy medium between the two. So, I don't really have a winner. All are great.
etwade 2 years ago 4
Beast
G00SEBEAR 3 years ago
I support the notion of bass cage matches. If there is any way we can actually arrange for an all-out bass brawl, please let me know. I will bring the mud for wrestling.
candidnt 3 years ago 3
I feel that it is Vladimir Miller that takes the cake here. He is quite able to steady his voice better than the rest of the three. He is also able to hit the Middle low notes exceptionally well even after deeply striking the bottom of his spectrum. Pasuikov's breathing is a little intense in my taste leads me to believe that the stability of his voice depends solely on his breath (which ran out). Anyway, I'd love to have any of their pipes or cords and I don't think I've hit lower than E flat.
DashJohn 3 years ago
the first clip sounds like more than one guy singing
malmangelucci 3 years ago
This is correct, which both enhances and makes harder to desern the note hit.
MusashiTzu 3 years ago
Sorry, but why does Russia dominate these extreme voices? And they compose for such deep voices too, so are they actually "common" in Russia? (Please excuse my ignorance, but i am in awe!)
DonegalRaymie201 3 years ago
A lot of people think that, but I disagree. The reason for the commonality of low voices in Russia is that their culture is focused on this voice type, and so its development is pursued. Much like in Italy the tenor is always the hero, so italy had great tenors, because people always wanna be the hero:)
MusashiTzu 3 years ago 7
@MusashiTzu ur actually wrong, do some more research and youll see that Russian music is based on every part,SATB
Gidenkidenk 1 year ago
@MusashiTzu THis is true. What i have learned from our choir director at college is that in russia the basses are taught to control and develop their "vocal fry" range so that it actually sounds good. lol
hondarideralex 7 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201
But still, an Italian you might even kill and he wouldn't sing lower than now. There is something about genetics. I come from a choir singing nation and we have to look very carefully to find those 'octavists' - those who sing an octave lower :) We say that those guys are more to find in Ukraine and Russia. I myself was in a choir next to two guys singing. They were hitting low A without warm-up. A joy to work together.
swatfour 1 year ago
@swatfour I think it has more to do with culture than genetics. Russian chorus masters scoured the country for octavos because they loved the sound. That doesn't mean there were necessarily more of them in Russia and Ukraine than in Italy, they just got more attention.
rajhah 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201 well! i was actually told just today that in the us, we have so many growth hormones (mostly in beef) and that russia doesn't so this allows their bass voices to fully develop. as well as, yes, genetics and culture.
boosie119 1 year ago
@DonegalRaymie201 And aldo, by the religious culture of Orthodoxy...
Loiginer 8 months ago
Wichniakov was clearly the best, not only because he actually sings the low G1, but he rips the heck out of it. The other guys are very good and are capable of a low G1, but they don't do it in these excerpts...not only that, the others seemed a bit pitchy at times, although I've heard them sing in other pieces and have been very impressive.
randyjsing 3 years ago
I have hit a low Gb 1 before. It was the most intense day of my life. It isn't something that I can do every day, but I have done it before.
Elephantman77 3 years ago
I've "only" hit G1 before but then I was hung over and had abused my voice the night before :) Anyway Bb1 isn't too bad
gurra9 3 years ago
pasuikov is a bit flat! yes, only wichniakov hits the G1.
jowox 3 years ago
Yes, and he's clearly sharp at :52 as well.
Wichniakov is KILLING it here. Does anyone else hear what I'm hearing? Based on these clips, I don't think there's any comparison...Miller's good, but I think it's a slam dunk.
randyjsing 3 years ago
I'm hearing what you're hearing. I'll take any one of the three for my bass section, however. Wichniakov is also much more musically sensible.
SuperDaveOkie 2 years ago
Correction...lol...the sharping of Pasuikov is at 1:35...glad I listened to the clip again...not :52.
randyjsing 3 years ago
*terms of quality*
sorry for the spam.
MikeyVAA 3 years ago
Hey Mushitzu! thanks a lot for all these awesome videos you are putting on this site! They really are good examples of the great Russian Basso Profondos!
pavelkostov 3 years ago
It should be noted that I do not think I'm up there with them in term quality, I mean goodness I'm only 20 haha. But hey random youtuber vs. the greats. What more of a laugh could you want right? :P.
Bring it! :)
MikeyVAA 3 years ago
Give me Vladimir Miller :P.
MikeyVAA 3 years ago
*Jumps into the Low G cage match* I got a low G. Check my profile. :)
MikeyVAA 3 years ago
Lol, do you really want me to include yours?:) Seriously, if you want me to pit you against these three I will:)
Should I make it a tag team though instead of a cage match? who should be your team mate?
MusashiTzu 3 years ago
@MusashiTzu: I'll be his tag-team-mate!
DING-DING!!!
TheMannyStyles 1 year ago
@MikeyVAA I can hit low G easy,The bottom g on the piano?if so yea easily
fuitbag 10 months ago
Is the order of the Oktavists in...well order? Who sings first,second and third?
DeJaynes17 3 years ago
The clips are in this order. It goes Wichniakov, Miller then Pasuikov.
MusashiTzu 3 years ago
In that case, I like them in the order that they are in.
DeJaynes17 3 years ago
If I'm not mistaken, only Wichniakov hits the bottom G; the other two settle for an octave higher on the second last note (the last being C). All 3 are impressive; I think Miller has the most beautiful bass voice; Pasuikov is a bit more profondo, with its own dark power and beauty; Wichniakov is rawest and deepest. Incidentally, he is accompanied in unison by 2 other profondi, who don't hit the bottom G.
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Don142857 3 years ago
@Don142857 Yes; they are Boris Chepikov and Viktor Kruchenkov.
1donpizarro 9 months ago
Pasuikov is my 1st. His voice has an extremely dark timber, which makes him sound like a God. In addition, he has a better lower register than Miller.
It is hard to compare Wichniakov and Miller. Miller has a more powerful and operatic voice in the higher register, but Wichniakov has a monstrously low voice, much more powerful than Miller's in below the low C. So it's a tie for second.
gudpeder 3 years ago
I agree with your asessment as a dark timbre is more impressive to me than the lowness of the note actually being hit. But like most people I think Wichniakov has the most comfortable and powerful G.
MusashiTzu 3 years ago
Three versions of "Do not reject me in old age" First Viktor Wichniakov with an amazing low G. I think he has the most resonant low register of the three profundos but for my taste he borders on harsh sometimes. Next Vladimir Miller: I think he has the most control of his voice and has unmatched expression for a basso profundo. His range includes the low G as well, check his version of Vechnaya Pamyat. Then Vladimir Pasuikov just makes the stones cry.
1st place Miller. Tie for second.
rvehring 3 years ago
Another basso profondo lover. What a wonderful material you have gathered!
Tenderness6 3 years ago
So, whose you 1st, 2nd and 3rd and why?
MusashiTzu 3 years ago