Men of 1916 would be appaled if they could see the cover up going on by church and state. They didn't fight and die for that, they fought so they could have a free life, only to be oppressed by the people who were supposed to care for them.
Brian Cowan and most of the ministers look totally bored with having to listen to the whole story. They simply do not care at all, they have no understanding of the suffering and torture which these poor children went through with not a single person to give a damn. Poor Ireland where I grew up, how can these leaders let this shame continue and not even feign interest. Ruairi Quinn sounds like a good man. Ireland needs good people at the moment.
These politicians speak like they didn't have a clue as to what was going on and that is simply not true. Parents of children who were abused went to clinics and told their local TD about the abuse and they did nothing. Jim Mitchell knew that Tony Walsh was raping kids but he chose to keep his mouth shut and I know that for a fact.
Brian Cowan looks likes he does not give a shit...imagine that...he could not care less...Ireland is a grim and awful place...The Northern counties got lucky with the divide.
Celticlofts is correct. The government and the Church were in a partnership and they still are to this day. The beatings, rapes and mistreatments were the side effects to maintain control and crush the victims self esteem so they would never speak out about the slavery. Both reaped huge profits on the backs of slave labor. The poor, the common citizen were their targets. All of the elite (those with vast wealth) belong to the same club and work together as they have since the roman rule.
the problem "I" have, is, why it 'took so long' for the government to 'attack each other' over what 'each party' knew what was happening....its seems an abdication...by the government, to blame the religious....but not themselves...they did, recmember, emply a burser in that building...who had been 'knon' to have abused children (in industrial school in clonmel), but when the pressure got too much...they sacked him...(with his pension still intact; and what are the victims getting?
This sounds like the Wolves criticizing the foxes. I have no faith in these people, the same people who kissed the arse of the Church for decades and continue to do so. The minister for justice has now introduced a blasphemy law in which to criticize the church is an offense punishable by a huge fine or prison.
Yep the blasphemy law has left me completely baffled, it's quite extraordinary. The last desperate whimper of a country being dragged kicked and screaming into the 21st century from it's ultra conservative past. I think everyone should just leave in protest. Really it's that serious.....collectivism at its Irish worst.
At the end of the day it is we the people who must accept the final responsabliity for what happened to those children because it is we the people who gave the power to the church to abuse and I think it's tme we faced up to that fact.
@celticlofts -- 'We the People' are culpable for these unspeakable horrors (AND their systemic cover-up, denial & protection of the Church bureaucracy) in direct proportion that We The People have effective representation & are well informed by a vigorous Free Press -- the minimal requirements for an authentic democracy. Clearly, western democracy is a tragic farce & facade, long since subverted & coopted by Corporate & Special Interests, Inverted Totalitarianism aka technocratic-dictatorship.
We are still missing the point, we need more than memorials, apologies and promises "that the church will be humbler," "to do all in our power to heal the damage done to the victimes."
We need a war crimes court and treat these people like the murdering and mutilating psychos that they are. No more pussy-footing. Restore capital punishment and the confidence of humanity NOW!!
Men of 1916 would be appaled if they could see the cover up going on by church and state. They didn't fight and die for that, they fought so they could have a free life, only to be oppressed by the people who were supposed to care for them.
revolting.
Bhouncer 8 months ago
this stops playing after 5:32 can it be re-posted? or can someone paste another link?
RAMSEY1987 1 year ago
Brian Cowan and most of the ministers look totally bored with having to listen to the whole story. They simply do not care at all, they have no understanding of the suffering and torture which these poor children went through with not a single person to give a damn. Poor Ireland where I grew up, how can these leaders let this shame continue and not even feign interest. Ruairi Quinn sounds like a good man. Ireland needs good people at the moment.
callanm100 1 year ago
These politicians speak like they didn't have a clue as to what was going on and that is simply not true. Parents of children who were abused went to clinics and told their local TD about the abuse and they did nothing. Jim Mitchell knew that Tony Walsh was raping kids but he chose to keep his mouth shut and I know that for a fact.
celticlofts 1 year ago
WHAT ABOUT THE STATE ABUSED WE HAVE BEEN FORGOT NO APOLOGY ALL THAT HAS COME OUT IS FOR THE RELIGOUS ABUSED NOT THE STATE ABUSED WHAT ABOUT US
krugerfuchs 1 year ago
Brian Cowan looks likes he does not give a shit...imagine that...he could not care less...Ireland is a grim and awful place...The Northern counties got lucky with the divide.
olliespike2 1 year ago
Celticlofts is correct. The government and the Church were in a partnership and they still are to this day. The beatings, rapes and mistreatments were the side effects to maintain control and crush the victims self esteem so they would never speak out about the slavery. Both reaped huge profits on the backs of slave labor. The poor, the common citizen were their targets. All of the elite (those with vast wealth) belong to the same club and work together as they have since the roman rule.
KamaraSune 1 year ago
all fine words
SteveOSpielberg 1 year ago
the problem "I" have, is, why it 'took so long' for the government to 'attack each other' over what 'each party' knew what was happening....its seems an abdication...by the government, to blame the religious....but not themselves...they did, recmember, emply a burser in that building...who had been 'knon' to have abused children (in industrial school in clonmel), but when the pressure got too much...they sacked him...(with his pension still intact; and what are the victims getting?
ferryhouse77 2 years ago
The roman catholic church,state and governments Republic of terrorism on chlldren 1921 -2010
Arclight08 2 years ago
This sounds like the Wolves criticizing the foxes. I have no faith in these people, the same people who kissed the arse of the Church for decades and continue to do so. The minister for justice has now introduced a blasphemy law in which to criticize the church is an offense punishable by a huge fine or prison.
celticlofts 2 years ago 2
Yep the blasphemy law has left me completely baffled, it's quite extraordinary. The last desperate whimper of a country being dragged kicked and screaming into the 21st century from it's ultra conservative past. I think everyone should just leave in protest. Really it's that serious.....collectivism at its Irish worst.
GuyAwoke 2 years ago 3
are you serious
SCANDIN3 2 years ago
The Catholic Church are from the time of the wooden plow.
What can the Catholic Church do for Ireland?
Pack one bag and leave.
Leave your money.
Leave your property and GET OUT.
Keep the apologies to yourselves, just GET OUT OF IRELAND.
You have nothing to offer the Irish People except a quiet exit. GET OUT OF IRELAND Do not wait around, GET OUT OF IRELAND
Do not make us watch your institution rot like a piece of fruit that was once desirable but is now stinking up the room.
monkmonk40 2 years ago 4
At the end of the day it is we the people who must accept the final responsabliity for what happened to those children because it is we the people who gave the power to the church to abuse and I think it's tme we faced up to that fact.
celticlofts 2 years ago
explain?
massyfergson 2 years ago
as one of the abused thank you for that comment
SCANDIN3 2 years ago
@celticlofts -- 'We the People' are culpable for these unspeakable horrors (AND their systemic cover-up, denial & protection of the Church bureaucracy) in direct proportion that We The People have effective representation & are well informed by a vigorous Free Press -- the minimal requirements for an authentic democracy. Clearly, western democracy is a tragic farce & facade, long since subverted & coopted by Corporate & Special Interests, Inverted Totalitarianism aka technocratic-dictatorship.
starmanskye 1 year ago
I agree..
celticlofts 1 year ago
We are still missing the point, we need more than memorials, apologies and promises "that the church will be humbler," "to do all in our power to heal the damage done to the victimes."
We need a war crimes court and treat these people like the murdering and mutilating psychos that they are. No more pussy-footing. Restore capital punishment and the confidence of humanity NOW!!
willibaldvongluck1 2 years ago 3
Excellent speech. About time these things were said.
Boreas74 2 years ago 4
Why isn`t Ruairi running this country??? More politicians like him please!
williamcotter 2 years ago 5
Great speech. It's important that these questions are asked.
I'm horrified at how empty the chamber is though. Where is everyone ? Off at their Opus Dei meetings ?
slx00 2 years ago 7
Powerful stuff, and utterly right. Nicely done and eloquently spoken Ruairi
Slyfox38 2 years ago 4