@tennisstar5231 you say that but bjarne riis came 84th in the tour of italy and then he took epo and won the tour.....Also doping doesnt affect everyone the same way, some will rider better than others depending on how the drug reacts with their body
Lance Armstrong did a number of things, and he gave himself cancer. He cheated, he did drugs, and he gave himself cancer. Well, instead of saying ‘Hey listen, I cheated and gave myself cancer. Don’t be like me,’ he actually made himself the victim and then went out and profited something like $15 million from this ‘Hey, poor me, let’s find a cure for cancer’ campaign instead of just coming clean and saying, ‘Look, here’s what I did, I screwed myself up, and I hope people learn from my mistakes
@konkoba98 wow what a witty remark... you knew what he was talking about Lance took drugs, drugs fucked his body up and gave him cancer. He did give himself cancer because he was in control of his actions that led to his illness
@GiantDefy954 Ooooooh, ok. So that is how it works... Wait, can you elaborate? How does that work? You seem so smart and educated.. you are probably a genius doctor with PhD and MD. Thankyou so much for your highly informed and educated opinion. Wow, now I know not to take PED's bc they cause cancer. Jesus! I wish there were more genius doctors like you out there to spread the word. I'm going to tell everyone I know, right now... WOW, WHAT A REVELATION! THANKYOU!!!
@konkoba98 Fignon took drugs during his career and his doctors believe that is why he developed cancer and died. There are so many cyclists who have doped and died of cancer so id say that it was pretty obvious that the chemicals in the drugs had something to do with their death. Anquetil doped and died of cancer, i dont need a PhD to see what happened. If you had a PhD youd still be naive enough to believe otherwise
@GiantDefy954 HOLY MOLY!!! Wow, you have just listed a few people who had cancer and had something in common... that solves everything! I'm going to call the Search for the Cure people that I donated money to and tell them, 'hey, stop looking... GiantDefy954 has found the missing link, we just need to not dope and we won't have cancer.... can't you PhD's see that... why are you so naive... it is OBVIOUSLY the chemicals in the drugs!!!!" WOW, thanks again for your keen insight, medical genius.
@konkoba98 instead of writing pointless sarcastic shit why dont you come back with a reason to prove me wrong. Armstrong, Anquetil, Fignon. All dopers all got cancer. make what you like off it shit for brains. Are you really that stupid that you need me to explain why drugs taken in excess will destroy your body. Im sure you could go to a councellor or something theyll explain it to you in simple terms.
@GiantDefy954 The reasoning within my sarcasm is obvious... but if you are too fucking stupid to get it, then consider this: At my work there are 3 people who are left handed... all 3 are women - conclusion with your brain = all left handed people are women... conclusion with my brain = some people are left handed and some people are women, some people are left handed women - if you need more of an explanation go read the probabilities chapter from a jr high text book... medical genius.
@konkoba98 im not talking about probabilities of being left handed im talking about the fact that his drug abuse led to his cancer. You can use your clever little experiments but they are irrelevant, being left handed and a women is a coincidence, drug abuse and getting cancer is not. If you really are that naive to think it was just a coincidence that he got cancer then there is no arguing with you
@GiantDefy954 Well I guess you are right. You are a medical genius. I must be naive! I must be the uneducated one! Also, you should look up what the words 'experiment' and 'coincidence' mean so you know how to use them correctly. I'm sorry that you fail to see the REALLY OBVIOUS similarities between your illogical reasoning for Lance's cancer and my left handed female coworkers. Also, I have 2 friends who had testicular cancer in their late 20's, neither used drugs, ever.... coincidence?
@GiantDefy954 Nice........ I guess we are done here since you haven't made a logical comment and have seemed to quit trying and instead will just call people names. Good luck being a medical genius. Please go take a job at an oncology ward so you can tell cancer patients that they gave themselves cancer. Hey, if you find 3 cancer patients who have all eaten apples... well then you can tell them that the apples did it. Seems logical, huh?
@konkoba98 what is it with you and the words "medical genius?" I just want to know what your point is. im saying that Cancer may have had something to do with drug abuse. Alot of top sportsman have gotten cancer through taking Hormones so its quite likely. Where is your logic? All youve done is write "medical genius" a thousand times and "apples give ya cancer." Its typical of an illogical twat like you with no argument just alot of sarcastic shit.
@GiantDefy954 you didn't say cancer 'may have had something to do with drug abuse' - you said it obviously caused it - I call you a medical genius bc of your amazing insight into the causes of cancer, something that has evaded doctors and scientists, but all the while you had the answer right there - 3 people took drugs, 3 people got cancer - You found the answer Medical Genius! My point here is clear and obvious, don't act like you don't know u r full of shit! Just namecall-thats all u got!
@konkoba98 im not full of shit. Laurent fignon said that he and his doctors suspected that him doping in the 80s was likely a reason that he got cancer. I think it is pretty OBVIOUS that old Lance got cancer for similar reasons especially considering that he was on more than just amphetamines. So why dont you quit with the sarcastic bullshit... Its getting boring repeating the same statement over and over because it cant sink into to your thick skull
@GiantDefy954 Oh it sunk in just fine... you aren't stating a very complicated argument - You are saying that 3 guys who took drugs got cancer - so drugs cause cancer. Is that not what you are saying? Saying that someone 'gave themselves cancer is just about the stupidest thing any human has ever said and you are that fucking stupid human. I'm either talking to a child or an adult lacking the mental capacity to correctly view complicated things such as cancer, either morally or logically.
@konkoba98 Youve got to be the most intelligent person on this planet, lets see; you take everything out of context, you use condescending language and you cant give me an opposing argument, all you say is pointless sarcasm, yep youve got to be the smartest person ever. I said "Lance gave himself cancer" what i mean is he knew the dangers of his actions, he was not stupid, yet he thought that the chances were minimal so he took drugs and got shit luck. Stop replying with your condescending crap.
@GiantDefy954 I'm not the most intelligent person, you are! Nice back-tracking by the way. Condescending language like - 'sad prick' and 'illogical twat' and 'thick skull'??? That is you. Here is obvious reasoning you Medical Genius: there are 12million new cancer diagnoses per year, and growing - How many of those people do you think took amphetamines, EPO, GH, or any other PED? How many you Medical Genius? HOW FUCKING MANY? You find 3 who did and claim they 'gave themselves cancer'?
@konkoba98 "medical genius" in every single comment. seriously, grow up mate and stop being so naive. your statistics mean shit when you say 1200000 people got cancer and then say "what are you gonna say they caused it themselves" You take EVERYTHING out of context. An old lady who has cancer didnt bring it on herself because she was just unlucky. Heres an example: people who get cancer from smoking, is it their fault. Yes. Because they never had to smoke same as lance never had to dope.
@GiantDefy954 Ookay. I get it. Your 1st language isn't English. My apologies 'MATE'. Had I know you had trouble communicating in this format then I wouldn't have got you so worked up. 1st - do you know the difference between 12million and 1.2million? It's a big difference, MATE! 2nd - I like your perspective on epidemiology (a big word you should look up)... "You're old, so if you get cancer-UNLUCKY" FUCKIT, UR JUST FUCKIN UNLUCKY, NO CAUSE - JUST FUCKIN UNLUCKY! Sounds smart, MATE!
@GiantDefy954 Wouldn't "doping" help performance - isn't that the fucking point? When did Lance have his best performances? 1999-2005! And not too shabby a comeback in 2008! And when did his drug abuse cause his cancer, according to the MEDICAL GENIUS? Well, he got cancer in 1996, at age 25. So you are saying he doped, caused his own cancer, then got cured, then miraculously won the TDF 7times in a row, without drugs... which WOULD HAVE OBVIOUSLY CAUSED HIS CANCER!
@konkoba98 I love how you noticed that i missed out a "0" in the 12 million and then sent some pointless comment telling me so. What you should do is get a degree, become a doctor and then tell your patients stories of how you have friends with testicular cancer who like apples and how you think 3 of them got cancer from apples, isnt that it? I mean thats logical, not getting cancer from drug abuse, thats just ridiculous. P.S Turn your caps lock off you only need it at the start of a sentence.
@GiantDefy954 Do you know the difference between "OBVIOUSLY CAUSED" and "GOT SHIT LUCK" - One is very high probability - one is very low probability. Which one is it? Someone needs to read a fucking elementary probability book - just a fucking online lesson would do you wonders. You are no Medical Genius... you are a poser! A fucking phony. You claim all this shit, but you know nothing. You were educated by uneducated people. You are the product of the product of STUPID. Think 1st! THINK
LA is the only rider I have seen to make it a habit to shove past professional adult autograph hunters and go straight to signs autos and give tour gifts to little kids and sick kids who were shoved out of the way by greedy adults. And that's prolly why many selfish adults say he is 'rude and arrogant'.... The greatest - on or off the bike.
@Pepsimaximo1 And the riders he beat werent? Ullrich, arguably his most consistant rival, was forced out of the tour due to doping allegations. Contador, the current man to beat may be stripped of his wins due to his implication in a doping scandal. Doping isnt the exception, its the norm. Armstrong gets singled out because he is the most famous rider ever. But he didnt do anything every other rider isnt doing. EVERY RIDER.
@turfturbo It is worth singling out people for, because otherwise, how can we expose them and show what they truly were? You can't gather evidence against EVERYONE who did it, atleast not at one time, so we are forced to gather evidence for one person at a time, and right now the highlest on that list is Lance Armstrong, as he caused the most greif to those who were not using performance enhancing drugs.
@Pepsimaximo1 Who wasnt using performance enhancing drug? Who in the entire history of the Tour has never used performance enhancing drugs? I'd like to meet them and shake their hand....but they dont exist.
@Pepsimaximo1 Well the current situation appears to be that in order to be competative you have to dope like everyone else is and hope your masking is done well enough to keep from getting caught. If you dont dope you wont get on a team let alone have a chance to do well. You can train like a maniac and be genetically gifted like crazy but so are 200 other guys and if they are doping and your not you end up in 201st place. Sad fact of racing.
@turfturbo You know, what's more is that you really have no evidence of your theory of "everyone doping". The only evidence that we have are of those who have been caught, and some select few like Lance Armstrong.
@Pepsimaximo1 Well of the tour WINNERS from 1991 to 2010. (thats 20 tours) only 1, Carlos Sastra , has not been embroiled in a doping scandal. Floyd Landis was disqualified. Contador is in the process of possibly having his 3 tour wins stripped from him.Pantani even died of a drug overdose.Ullrich in 97 later banned for doping, Ris in 96 has since admitting doping,Indurain has admitted it during his 5 wins 91-95. Sastra is the only one. The one who got away with it. Am I missing anyone?
@turfturbo Alright, I see what you mean, but you must realise that it is just as likely that the performance enhancing drugs would have been what gave them the advantage to win, as in, the reason that the others LOST was likely to be that they were not involved in doping.
And by the way, you're excluding Cadel Evans, whom I'm 99% sure is not guilty of doping.
@Pepsimaximo1 I didnt exclude Evans. I was doing 1991 to 2010. 20 years. maybe 2011 is the beginning of the end of doping as current and future riders see the careers of their idols Armstrong, Contador, Ullrich etc. left so badly tarnished by its taint. and new improved testing coming along.
@turfturbo Well I'm not trying to say that you are wrong with all your facts about past Tour De France winners either being on drugs or being suspected of being on drugs, I'm just trying to say that no matter how many people do it, it's not justifiable. But yeah let's hope that doping is in the past now.
while arguing he doped...we can accept that this man of steel is just simply miraculous...perhaps he was made for cyclist...just like usain bolt is made for the 100m and 200m...
Armstrong was full of anger because in the TT three stages earlier the German fans spat in his face. In a later interview Lance said "Today, I told myself F*** that, I'm not letting this German win!"
You all saying 'Lance doped', which I agree, but let's get the Top 5 of this stage:
1 - Armstrong (doped)
2 - Kloden (doped)
3 - Ullrich (doped)
4 - Basso (doped)
5 - Landis (doped)
And get the rest of the top back then: Mayo (doped), Vino (doped), Pantani (doped - and I'm talking before 2004 when I mention here), Zulle (doped), Beloki (doped), Mancebo (doped), Leipheimer (doped), Rasmussen (doped)... especially in the 04 Tour, from the Top 10, 8 were dopers. Unfortunately, everybody doped.
Kloden, in 2009, paid a fine of 25.000 euros in return for German prosecutors agreeing to end an investigation into his involvement with a 2006 blood-doping scandal at Freiburg University Clinic.
Ullrich, in 2008, made a payment of a reported 250.000 euros in return for German prosecutors agreeing to close their investigation into his alleged blood doping and involvement in Operacion Puerto. Ullrich even let a DNA test in the bags found in OP, which confirmed it was his blood. (cont)
So yeah, nothing 100% proved, but so is Lance Armstrong's case. Although blood bags with Fuentes says a lot of things, doesn't it?
And we get to the same argument: interesting how both Ullrich and Kloden could, without doping, be among with the best who arguably doped (and even better than them), no?
All the doping-conspirators claim EVERYONE has been doping in cycling for years; fine - therefore if LA was or wasn't doping is irrelevant. Either he beat them clean, or he beat them as doping 'equals'. Either way, he wins; therefore he's the best. End of.
Everybody else tested positive for doping in this final group EXCEPT Lance. And he beat them like he was Darth fucking Vader. Lance was, is, and forever will be a GOD of cycling. This was the end of the 4 mountain climb on a 131 mile day, by the way.
Phillipe Gilbert wins against him in the tour the france if there's 1 thing they are good at in Belgium it that i mean Tom Boonen,Phillipe Gilbert,Stijn Devolder and it go's on and on and on
Sherwen and Liggett are such homers it's actually funny. I guess Sherwen being Armstrong's friend has something to do with it, and working for the official American TDF network also has something to do with it, lol. In all seriousness though, all those guys were on drugs, one way or another. There's not one TDF winner of the last 20 years who hasn't been on drugs. It's all about recovery in a three week bike race, and without drugs, there is no way of such attacks every stage.
@davd1986 Homers? The clip i listened to Ligget called it for Kloden as soon as he attacked and was as shocked as anyone when Armstrong caught him at the line.
I've been watching the Tour for 8 years and this is by far the best day I ever saw. I woke up extra early for my college class and got high as a kite. It was before I worked at the Casino, so don't worry. This was such a great day. I remember jumping up and down and screaming my brains out. I'll miss Lance....
@ YiftertheShifter1 1 month ago, 'Of the three endurance sports, each has that one very famous come-from-behind close victory by the top names of the sport.', So this is such a moment for Cycling? Nice job at proving the recent adage that for some, cycling was invented in 1999. I suggest you find a clip telling the story of the final stage of the 1989 Tour de France.
@EMC2Scotia Oh I already know about it. I wasn't referring to time trials, but come to think about it- I should've put that instead. I still really love this stage- especially how Ligget was completely wrong about the stage results, and then Armstrong comes out of nowhere; the commentators from the other two examples were similar. For the Lemond vs. Fignon, at first it seems very improbable, but when you start hearing how far ahead Lemond is, you start to know that he's won it. Still amazing.
Lance is the warrior king! That finish was incredible! Man what fierce determination to storm back and smoke Kloden at the finish line!! Even the commentator thought Kloden had this stage in the bag! To me, this race conclusion sums up the unrivaled competitive spirit of Lance!
If you watched and listened to the complete video clip, Lance is interviewed saying Landis was leading the pack up a hill at such a breakneck speed that not only couldn't anyone take a lead but were dying just to keep up to Landis's pace.
There weren't to many bikers near the finish line feeling very competitive. Probably worn out by Landis. Except , of course, Lance who wins with a full out sprint.
the guy in blue (floyd landis) was maxing out at his highest speed so lance can draft behind him at the same speed but only having to expend 30% less energy. when landis is outta energy, lance can then start pumping out his max and allow him to catch up to the other guy who was already outta energy from attacking too early and without anyone to draft behind. basically lance was saving his energy until the last second.
I can't believe Liggett called the win for Kloden so quick after he attacked. The whole final km he crowned him the win. LA juiced but he was among the same company especially in that break. T-mobile and Postal the kings of systematic doping.
@tbtron5000 Oh, I missed it, when did he fail a test? Thats right he didnt. Time for you to go back to bed and dream of being something since you dont think anyone else can be something. Your a Fkn joke.
@damonpettit No, I believe you would be th fuckin joke for thinking he rode clean. The dude is a liar and your an idiot! What will you think when all the shit hits the fan with the feds coming to investigate him. Go watch Versus coverage of the Tour you Fucking noob!!!
@tbtron5000 I think you need some "dope" in the form of some blood pressure meds. Until he tests positive, or until it is proven, LA rode clean. He's been subject to several witch hunts during his career, and so far, has been exonerated. You are the Paul Kimmage of youtube comments. BTW, the Versus coverage is outstanding, thanks for your recommendation, "Captain Obvious". - Livestrong
@jestx101 Thanks for your reply!! You are so in the dark when it comes to cycling. I would love a reply from you in a couple of years when he is in deep doo doo. That's all I'm saying. I am entitled to my opinion and I will stick to it... Lance doped period. Paul Kimmage of youtube?? Did you learn of his name from LA's twitter page? Yeah, Kimmage is the devil, because Lance said so. Versus Coverage is for tools like yourself. Captain Obvious?? What grade are you in again??
@tbtron5000 "I am entitled to my opinion and I will stick to it..." yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but I will stick to the FACTS: LA HAS NEVER TESTED POSITIVE, that is a fact. So until the witch hunt comes up with EVIDENCE, your opinion is NON-FACTUAL. period. What grade am I in? What kind of question is that? I'm not the one that uses "noob" as an attempt to discredit someones opinion. BTW, Kimmage comments were an insult to anyone who has been affected by cancer. Period. Cheers.
@jestx101 So what did I ever say about fighting cancer to make you call me "Paul Kimmage of youtube". My opinion was aimed at LA. Period. Be patient and the truth will come out.
@eaweful "The paper even admits in its own article that the science in question here is faulty and that I have no way to defend myself," Armstrong said in a statement released late Monday night. "They state: 'There will therefore be no counter-exam nor regulatory prosecutions, in a strict sense, since defendant's rights cannot be respected.' I will simply restate what I have said many times: I have never taken performance-enhancing drugs." USA TODAY
@eaweful ":Of the 12 samples that returned as positive, six came from Armstrong, the story said. The lab did not identify the samples as being from Armstrong, and the testing was done with assurances that identification of the samples would be confidential and not used for doping enforcement. But L'Equipe reporters matched the samples' identification numbers in the lab report with information Armstrong released to French judicial investigators in a 2000 doping probe. USAToday
@eaweful journalist linking numbers to tests is not a positive test. have a prescription for saddle sores is not a positive. 4+ year old blood samples in a French Lab that have not been maintained under proper controls is not a positive. I saw you at a gay bar so you must be gay. sounds asinine doesn't it. No positive test, not a positive test. I'm sorry you feel the way you do. I used to have a mind closed to the immense success capable of a human being.. i'm sorry you can't understand
@tbtron5000 Wow, you have more information than anyone I guess. In the 7 Tours he won in a row, or in any other race that he has been in, he has not tested positive once. I think its possible he was so good because he worked so much harder than any other cyclist out there. I believe you are wrong and I hope you are wrong. If he is ever proven to have dopped to win in any way I will come back and give you props, but I am not sure you or I will live long enough to see that day.
@tbtron5000 I have a feeling that when all is said and done, if there is no evidence of doping on Lance, you will be hiding in a cave. I promise, if anything comes out and is a fact, not a "Landis" accusation, I will give you your props. I will be shocked beyond belief, but I know other shit that has shocked me, so we will see. Not sure why you have it out for Lance, but that is your opinion, so be it. Talk to you again when this is done.
@TheDmansMovies Look up the Michael Anderson Testimony on scribd.
"Michael Anderson testimony on Lance Armstrong" Read it.
All I can say is do some reading and research with an objective mind and you might see it differently. Drugs have been in cycling forever. Do you think LA would show up to a Tour were a lot of the guys are "good" and he proceed s to beat all of them??? Does not work like that. In cycling when something is too good to be true... It usually is.
@tbtron5000 Just saw your reply. As usual I really do hope Lance never doped. Am I a dope for even hoping for no dope? well probably. There are a few things that give me hope that he did not dope (rhyme) but I guess I will see when all the facts come out. Either way the ones like you that have a different view are what help keep things honest. I hope you are wrong, but we will see. Take care. D
Lance said in an interview that his hematocrit was 41, the published datas of his 2009 blood tests confirm that value.
Alpinists who go for 3 or more months on high mountains in Nepal or Perou don't increase their hematocrit by more that 2 or 3 points despite living there between a 3000 and more height.
Sleeping in altitude tent or high is not good for recovering, so riders when stage finishes on top go sleep in a valley hotel.
So no hematocrit decrease on TDF is a clear indication of doping.
Altitude tent never provides the possibility to increase hematocrit from 41 to 48 !
Or all riders who have been caught EPO doing or in Puerto, T-Mobile or who paid Fuentes, Ferrari for doping are idiot, they just had to sleep in a tent.
@u368 Go away man. No wants to hear your commentary. If you really despise Lance that much, then why are you on all of these videos continually trying to prove that your opinion is factual? Sounds like you have an obsessive personal vandetta.
@zacharysadams Why would he want to go away, this man has to be exposed for the Cheetah he is. It is very simple, it is nothing to do with hate, except maybe for his own projected form of it, I'm actually looking for stage 18 , where Armstrong was Bullying and threatening Simeoni. I can't find it, wonder why? Also Lances biggest stooge is our own love Ligget, money alway s talks but there are those whose interest is only for the truth.
The first generation of EPO have a thin window detection, few hours for small dose, and 2-4 days for big amount. So athletes microdose during the night and are "clean" at breakfast. Blood transfusion are undectable, but increase of hematocrit are highly suspect. With a 41% hecmatocrit it's impossible to have a 48 hematocrit without doping. Lance has a 41% natural hct but recorded a 48-49% during TDF. EPO were found in 6 samples of 1999 TDF by retrotesting, no EPO existed in 1999.
@hghepo I have to reply to this man. I bike race and I have a natural hemocrit of around 47 which was recorded doing blood work. I've never doped at all. I hear that if I trained at higher elevation my hemacrit would go up. Your evidence here is very lacking.
@partylwc Congratulations for your hct, you are above the average values abd above of Lance's (41-42%).
My evidence are strong for people with a physiologist background. Altitude will only affect your hematocrit by 3 or 4 points. But during TDF, riders spend too few time at altitude, especially above 2500m, so there is few hematocrit change.
I'm not disagreeing that lance didn't dope, but your evidence is not good. There has been plenty of riders before who were cleared to ride in the tour with an hct of above 50 because they lived at high elevation. Lance could have had an Hct of 41% during the off season. No two humans are identical either, people tend to think if everything was equal all riders would finish the race at the same time. This will never be true.
@partylwc People who have a high hct are rapidly identified. Lance has told us that he had 41-42%, that he could increase it to 50% by altitude tents or high training, but that is lies, at best he could obtain 45 or 46%. And during a TDF after 10 days hct drops by 5 to 7 for ALL clean athletes. How could have Lance 48% during the 3rd TDF week when he should have around 35% ?
His body became amazing after he has met the blood doping doctor Ferrari.
@hghepo You must watch more of the tour. The climbers ETC are not doing so much work for the first ten days of the tour if they are smart. They are safe guarded by their teammates and then used in the climbing stages. Theoretically now you can not have any HCT drop until the MTNs. You then throw in a week of climbing and the situation you brought up is much different. I believe lance could have got very close to 50 clean. I do think he dopped, he just didn't look clean during some tours.
@partylwc I have seen TDFs much closer than you will never be!
And Hct drops for everyone since the first stages... even for protected riders!
You believe that Lance could have walked on water but you are wrong, he is not a god, he is a human with an amazing body like many other TDF riders and many other athletes.
THERE IS NO CLEAN METHOD TO INCREASE HEMATOCRIT FROM 42 TO 50%, NO ONE IS KNOWN DESPITE A LOT OF SCIENTIFIC WORK ON THAT SUBJECT.
@empiretotalwar1 As said Ullrich about doping, il you are able to 1+1, it's not difficult to see what was on. Thre is prooves of Lance's doping on the shelves of any lab whiche tested Lance. A good restrotesting and plastizer and EPO will be found in his samples!
not gonna happen dude...armstrong started preparing for the race very late ..but next year...if he didn't think he could win he wouldn't have come back...like armstrong said.. "if u wask me today if i can win the tour..answer is no...but its not today"...so fuck u all haters..u just hate him coz he's so amazing..
You are a fucking retard, epogen is a fat soulable medication that was given to him durng treatment and is in the fat cells, but remains inactive. Why do you think they let him ride?? Get your head out of your ass.
@Erwanlebreton How would you recommend doing that? Have him race and see if he still can compete despite his age with the most rigorous drug testing schedule? Oh....wait....they already did that.....You and all you haters need to go lay down with the rest of the mutts..... "he have to prove"? what are you from Spain or something? If so then Im done talking to you anyway.
Andreas Klöden is commendable for his sportsmanship in supporting Lance Armstrong's comeback. I do not know Klöden personally, but his faithful teammate to LA and AC this 2009 TdF shows sportsmanship. Klöden is a champion in my eyes for this reason.
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Jan great too
MarsJohny 5 days ago
Why the hell does Kloden move off his line to make it 10X easier for Armstrong? Silly mistake. Blatant? Maybe.
Aramigo123 5 days ago
Shut up people! You practise your whole life for this and dope and see if you can still be as good as him
TheFlamingChips 2 months ago
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why dont you go suck lance nut
GiantDefy954 2 months ago
Ok what if he doped? It doesn't give you TALENT. If everyone didn't dope, lance would still have won 7 in a row.
tennisstar5231 3 months ago
@tennisstar5231 you say that but bjarne riis came 84th in the tour of italy and then he took epo and won the tour.....Also doping doesnt affect everyone the same way, some will rider better than others depending on how the drug reacts with their body
GiantDefy954 2 months ago
Lance is isanely smart, and this shows never give up until the line
chsspartan 3 months ago
Lance -is-the-man! END of discussion!
MrSteveblue824 3 months ago
COOL!
jschulten 3 months ago
lance story is the stuff of legends
honeysingh14324 3 months ago
Lance is doping a lot! Hé will die at 50 Heard old! He has stolen the tour de france! He must be jailed for that!
plutoniumboy131 3 months ago
levi was on rabobank??
M1Z3RK3R 4 months ago
probly the greatest sport thing i ever see. n i love all sports..HOW THE HELL HE DID THAT.S/O 2 L.a
catratnot 5 months ago
Lance Armstrong did a number of things, and he gave himself cancer. He cheated, he did drugs, and he gave himself cancer. Well, instead of saying ‘Hey listen, I cheated and gave myself cancer. Don’t be like me,’ he actually made himself the victim and then went out and profited something like $15 million from this ‘Hey, poor me, let’s find a cure for cancer’ campaign instead of just coming clean and saying, ‘Look, here’s what I did, I screwed myself up, and I hope people learn from my mistakes
justplainly 5 months ago
@justplainly how do you give yourself cancer?
konkoba98 5 months ago 2
@konkoba98 wow what a witty remark... you knew what he was talking about Lance took drugs, drugs fucked his body up and gave him cancer. He did give himself cancer because he was in control of his actions that led to his illness
GiantDefy954 2 months ago
@GiantDefy954 Ooooooh, ok. So that is how it works... Wait, can you elaborate? How does that work? You seem so smart and educated.. you are probably a genius doctor with PhD and MD. Thankyou so much for your highly informed and educated opinion. Wow, now I know not to take PED's bc they cause cancer. Jesus! I wish there were more genius doctors like you out there to spread the word. I'm going to tell everyone I know, right now... WOW, WHAT A REVELATION! THANKYOU!!!
konkoba98 2 months ago
@konkoba98 Fignon took drugs during his career and his doctors believe that is why he developed cancer and died. There are so many cyclists who have doped and died of cancer so id say that it was pretty obvious that the chemicals in the drugs had something to do with their death. Anquetil doped and died of cancer, i dont need a PhD to see what happened. If you had a PhD youd still be naive enough to believe otherwise
GiantDefy954 2 months ago
@GiantDefy954 HOLY MOLY!!! Wow, you have just listed a few people who had cancer and had something in common... that solves everything! I'm going to call the Search for the Cure people that I donated money to and tell them, 'hey, stop looking... GiantDefy954 has found the missing link, we just need to not dope and we won't have cancer.... can't you PhD's see that... why are you so naive... it is OBVIOUSLY the chemicals in the drugs!!!!" WOW, thanks again for your keen insight, medical genius.
konkoba98 2 months ago
@konkoba98 instead of writing pointless sarcastic shit why dont you come back with a reason to prove me wrong. Armstrong, Anquetil, Fignon. All dopers all got cancer. make what you like off it shit for brains. Are you really that stupid that you need me to explain why drugs taken in excess will destroy your body. Im sure you could go to a councellor or something theyll explain it to you in simple terms.
GiantDefy954 2 months ago
@GiantDefy954 The reasoning within my sarcasm is obvious... but if you are too fucking stupid to get it, then consider this: At my work there are 3 people who are left handed... all 3 are women - conclusion with your brain = all left handed people are women... conclusion with my brain = some people are left handed and some people are women, some people are left handed women - if you need more of an explanation go read the probabilities chapter from a jr high text book... medical genius.
konkoba98 2 months ago
@konkoba98 im not talking about probabilities of being left handed im talking about the fact that his drug abuse led to his cancer. You can use your clever little experiments but they are irrelevant, being left handed and a women is a coincidence, drug abuse and getting cancer is not. If you really are that naive to think it was just a coincidence that he got cancer then there is no arguing with you
GiantDefy954 2 months ago
@GiantDefy954 Well I guess you are right. You are a medical genius. I must be naive! I must be the uneducated one! Also, you should look up what the words 'experiment' and 'coincidence' mean so you know how to use them correctly. I'm sorry that you fail to see the REALLY OBVIOUS similarities between your illogical reasoning for Lance's cancer and my left handed female coworkers. Also, I have 2 friends who had testicular cancer in their late 20's, neither used drugs, ever.... coincidence?
konkoba98 2 months ago
@konkoba98 you proved me right in the first four sentences of your comment....oh wait sarcasm. oh i get it.....you sad prick
GiantDefy954 2 months ago
@GiantDefy954 Nice........ I guess we are done here since you haven't made a logical comment and have seemed to quit trying and instead will just call people names. Good luck being a medical genius. Please go take a job at an oncology ward so you can tell cancer patients that they gave themselves cancer. Hey, if you find 3 cancer patients who have all eaten apples... well then you can tell them that the apples did it. Seems logical, huh?
konkoba98 2 months ago
@konkoba98 what is it with you and the words "medical genius?" I just want to know what your point is. im saying that Cancer may have had something to do with drug abuse. Alot of top sportsman have gotten cancer through taking Hormones so its quite likely. Where is your logic? All youve done is write "medical genius" a thousand times and "apples give ya cancer." Its typical of an illogical twat like you with no argument just alot of sarcastic shit.
GiantDefy954 2 months ago
@GiantDefy954 you didn't say cancer 'may have had something to do with drug abuse' - you said it obviously caused it - I call you a medical genius bc of your amazing insight into the causes of cancer, something that has evaded doctors and scientists, but all the while you had the answer right there - 3 people took drugs, 3 people got cancer - You found the answer Medical Genius! My point here is clear and obvious, don't act like you don't know u r full of shit! Just namecall-thats all u got!
konkoba98 2 months ago
@konkoba98 im not full of shit. Laurent fignon said that he and his doctors suspected that him doping in the 80s was likely a reason that he got cancer. I think it is pretty OBVIOUS that old Lance got cancer for similar reasons especially considering that he was on more than just amphetamines. So why dont you quit with the sarcastic bullshit... Its getting boring repeating the same statement over and over because it cant sink into to your thick skull
GiantDefy954 2 months ago
@GiantDefy954 Oh it sunk in just fine... you aren't stating a very complicated argument - You are saying that 3 guys who took drugs got cancer - so drugs cause cancer. Is that not what you are saying? Saying that someone 'gave themselves cancer is just about the stupidest thing any human has ever said and you are that fucking stupid human. I'm either talking to a child or an adult lacking the mental capacity to correctly view complicated things such as cancer, either morally or logically.
konkoba98 2 months ago
@konkoba98 Youve got to be the most intelligent person on this planet, lets see; you take everything out of context, you use condescending language and you cant give me an opposing argument, all you say is pointless sarcasm, yep youve got to be the smartest person ever. I said "Lance gave himself cancer" what i mean is he knew the dangers of his actions, he was not stupid, yet he thought that the chances were minimal so he took drugs and got shit luck. Stop replying with your condescending crap.
GiantDefy954 2 months ago
@GiantDefy954 I'm not the most intelligent person, you are! Nice back-tracking by the way. Condescending language like - 'sad prick' and 'illogical twat' and 'thick skull'??? That is you. Here is obvious reasoning you Medical Genius: there are 12million new cancer diagnoses per year, and growing - How many of those people do you think took amphetamines, EPO, GH, or any other PED? How many you Medical Genius? HOW FUCKING MANY? You find 3 who did and claim they 'gave themselves cancer'?
konkoba98 2 months ago
@konkoba98 "medical genius" in every single comment. seriously, grow up mate and stop being so naive. your statistics mean shit when you say 1200000 people got cancer and then say "what are you gonna say they caused it themselves" You take EVERYTHING out of context. An old lady who has cancer didnt bring it on herself because she was just unlucky. Heres an example: people who get cancer from smoking, is it their fault. Yes. Because they never had to smoke same as lance never had to dope.
GiantDefy954 2 months ago
@GiantDefy954 Ookay. I get it. Your 1st language isn't English. My apologies 'MATE'. Had I know you had trouble communicating in this format then I wouldn't have got you so worked up. 1st - do you know the difference between 12million and 1.2million? It's a big difference, MATE! 2nd - I like your perspective on epidemiology (a big word you should look up)... "You're old, so if you get cancer-UNLUCKY" FUCKIT, UR JUST FUCKIN UNLUCKY, NO CAUSE - JUST FUCKIN UNLUCKY! Sounds smart, MATE!
konkoba98 2 months ago
@GiantDefy954 Wouldn't "doping" help performance - isn't that the fucking point? When did Lance have his best performances? 1999-2005! And not too shabby a comeback in 2008! And when did his drug abuse cause his cancer, according to the MEDICAL GENIUS? Well, he got cancer in 1996, at age 25. So you are saying he doped, caused his own cancer, then got cured, then miraculously won the TDF 7times in a row, without drugs... which WOULD HAVE OBVIOUSLY CAUSED HIS CANCER!
konkoba98 2 months ago
@konkoba98 so wheres your cure for cancer medical genius?
GiantDefy954 2 months ago
@konkoba98 I love how you noticed that i missed out a "0" in the 12 million and then sent some pointless comment telling me so. What you should do is get a degree, become a doctor and then tell your patients stories of how you have friends with testicular cancer who like apples and how you think 3 of them got cancer from apples, isnt that it? I mean thats logical, not getting cancer from drug abuse, thats just ridiculous. P.S Turn your caps lock off you only need it at the start of a sentence.
GiantDefy954 2 months ago
@GiantDefy954 SO IT APPEARS AGAIN THAT YOU ARE DONE, SINCE YOU HAVE NOTHING LOGICAL TO SAY - GOOD LUCK IN LIFE MEDICAL GENIUS
konkoba98 2 months ago
@GiantDefy954 Do you know the difference between "OBVIOUSLY CAUSED" and "GOT SHIT LUCK" - One is very high probability - one is very low probability. Which one is it? Someone needs to read a fucking elementary probability book - just a fucking online lesson would do you wonders. You are no Medical Genius... you are a poser! A fucking phony. You claim all this shit, but you know nothing. You were educated by uneducated people. You are the product of the product of STUPID. Think 1st! THINK
konkoba98 2 months ago
@justplainly Your a dumbass
333crazymonkey 4 months ago
Man what a sprint.
IRONTROZ 6 months ago
LA is the only rider I have seen to make it a habit to shove past professional adult autograph hunters and go straight to signs autos and give tour gifts to little kids and sick kids who were shoved out of the way by greedy adults. And that's prolly why many selfish adults say he is 'rude and arrogant'.... The greatest - on or off the bike.
marcusbondi 6 months ago
sorry but theres far too much evidence, including many many witnesses, that armstrong was doping...
Pepsimaximo1 6 months ago
@Pepsimaximo1 And the riders he beat werent? Ullrich, arguably his most consistant rival, was forced out of the tour due to doping allegations. Contador, the current man to beat may be stripped of his wins due to his implication in a doping scandal. Doping isnt the exception, its the norm. Armstrong gets singled out because he is the most famous rider ever. But he didnt do anything every other rider isnt doing. EVERY RIDER.
turfturbo 6 months ago
@turfturbo Oh and I suppose that makes it right and acceptable does it?
Pepsimaximo1 6 months ago
@Pepsimaximo1 It nakes it commonplace and not worth singling anyone out for.
turfturbo 6 months ago
@turfturbo It is worth singling out people for, because otherwise, how can we expose them and show what they truly were? You can't gather evidence against EVERYONE who did it, atleast not at one time, so we are forced to gather evidence for one person at a time, and right now the highlest on that list is Lance Armstrong, as he caused the most greif to those who were not using performance enhancing drugs.
Pepsimaximo1 6 months ago
@Pepsimaximo1 Who wasnt using performance enhancing drug? Who in the entire history of the Tour has never used performance enhancing drugs? I'd like to meet them and shake their hand....but they dont exist.
turfturbo 6 months ago
@turfturbo lololol whatever, clearly nothing's gonna change your mind kid. Your mind is closed to any outside opinion.
Pepsimaximo1 6 months ago
@Pepsimaximo1 right back at ya.
turfturbo 6 months ago
@turfturbo Then why in the world did you start argueing with me, if you're were so certain that there was no chance I would change my mind?
Pepsimaximo1 6 months ago
@Pepsimaximo1 I was trying to change your mind but I now see it is closed to any outside opinion.
turfturbo 6 months ago
@turfturbo Well, to be honest, I don't think anyone could be convinced that doping can be justified.
Pepsimaximo1 6 months ago
@Pepsimaximo1 Well the current situation appears to be that in order to be competative you have to dope like everyone else is and hope your masking is done well enough to keep from getting caught. If you dont dope you wont get on a team let alone have a chance to do well. You can train like a maniac and be genetically gifted like crazy but so are 200 other guys and if they are doping and your not you end up in 201st place. Sad fact of racing.
turfturbo 6 months ago
@turfturbo You know, what's more is that you really have no evidence of your theory of "everyone doping". The only evidence that we have are of those who have been caught, and some select few like Lance Armstrong.
Pepsimaximo1 6 months ago
@Pepsimaximo1 Well of the tour WINNERS from 1991 to 2010. (thats 20 tours) only 1, Carlos Sastra , has not been embroiled in a doping scandal. Floyd Landis was disqualified. Contador is in the process of possibly having his 3 tour wins stripped from him.Pantani even died of a drug overdose.Ullrich in 97 later banned for doping, Ris in 96 has since admitting doping,Indurain has admitted it during his 5 wins 91-95. Sastra is the only one. The one who got away with it. Am I missing anyone?
turfturbo 6 months ago
@turfturbo Alright, I see what you mean, but you must realise that it is just as likely that the performance enhancing drugs would have been what gave them the advantage to win, as in, the reason that the others LOST was likely to be that they were not involved in doping.
And by the way, you're excluding Cadel Evans, whom I'm 99% sure is not guilty of doping.
Pepsimaximo1 5 months ago
@Pepsimaximo1 I didnt exclude Evans. I was doing 1991 to 2010. 20 years. maybe 2011 is the beginning of the end of doping as current and future riders see the careers of their idols Armstrong, Contador, Ullrich etc. left so badly tarnished by its taint. and new improved testing coming along.
turfturbo 5 months ago
@turfturbo Well I'm not trying to say that you are wrong with all your facts about past Tour De France winners either being on drugs or being suspected of being on drugs, I'm just trying to say that no matter how many people do it, it's not justifiable. But yeah let's hope that doping is in the past now.
Pepsimaximo1 5 months ago
while arguing he doped...we can accept that this man of steel is just simply miraculous...perhaps he was made for cyclist...just like usain bolt is made for the 100m and 200m...
cheeta13lopo 6 months ago
Lance is a legend
TurkiyeCumhurbaskani 6 months ago 15
yes, he is, but the key to this victory, and many others, was Floyd.
dura112 1 week ago
@TurkiyeCumhurbaskani yep, and Paul Sherwen is a twot ;)
foodog1 3 days ago
I woke up early before class to watch this. I was full of coffee and weed. One of the top 5 greatest moments of my sport's watching life.
citylife80 6 months ago
Armstrong was full of anger because in the TT three stages earlier the German fans spat in his face. In a later interview Lance said "Today, I told myself F*** that, I'm not letting this German win!"
minihaha26 7 months ago 3
You all saying 'Lance doped', which I agree, but let's get the Top 5 of this stage:
1 - Armstrong (doped)
2 - Kloden (doped)
3 - Ullrich (doped)
4 - Basso (doped)
5 - Landis (doped)
And get the rest of the top back then: Mayo (doped), Vino (doped), Pantani (doped - and I'm talking before 2004 when I mention here), Zulle (doped), Beloki (doped), Mancebo (doped), Leipheimer (doped), Rasmussen (doped)... especially in the 04 Tour, from the Top 10, 8 were dopers. Unfortunately, everybody doped.
LuisTrivelatto 7 months ago
@LuisTrivelatto
it is not really proved that andreas klöden and jan ulrich has doped.
it is probable but not proved, dude.
so don not write things which are not proved without a doubt!!!
SvenEhlers 7 months ago
@SvenEhlers
Kloden, in 2009, paid a fine of 25.000 euros in return for German prosecutors agreeing to end an investigation into his involvement with a 2006 blood-doping scandal at Freiburg University Clinic.
Ullrich, in 2008, made a payment of a reported 250.000 euros in return for German prosecutors agreeing to close their investigation into his alleged blood doping and involvement in Operacion Puerto. Ullrich even let a DNA test in the bags found in OP, which confirmed it was his blood. (cont)
LuisTrivelatto 7 months ago
@SvenEhlers
So yeah, nothing 100% proved, but so is Lance Armstrong's case. Although blood bags with Fuentes says a lot of things, doesn't it?
And we get to the same argument: interesting how both Ullrich and Kloden could, without doping, be among with the best who arguably doped (and even better than them), no?
LuisTrivelatto 7 months ago
@LuisTrivelatto
i agree with you.
but ulrich and especially klöden who
even did not stand on the fuente´s list
were never doped pistively.
besides according to sources probably armstrong started
doping in 1999 and team telekom just in 2003.
SvenEhlers 7 months ago
@SvenEhlers
Well, Armstrong also never had a positive, yet we both agree he doped right?
And what are your sources on that last sentence?
Ullrich was 2nd in both 2000 and 2001 Tours, so when he supposedly started doping in 2003 he should better that, yet he kept finishing 2nd.
When Ullrich won the Tour in 1997, he did it in front of 2 dopers, Ullrich and Virenque.
Those facts make it really suspicious to believe that Team Telekom only started doping in 2003.
LuisTrivelatto 7 months ago
All the doping-conspirators claim EVERYONE has been doping in cycling for years; fine - therefore if LA was or wasn't doping is irrelevant. Either he beat them clean, or he beat them as doping 'equals'. Either way, he wins; therefore he's the best. End of.
marcusbondi 7 months ago
Ligget always wrote Lance off; Ligget's arrogations smack of 'commentator bitterness'.
marcusbondi 7 months ago
Phil Ligget is amazing. Even when he's wrong, he is poetic.
rustyjman 8 months ago 31
Phil Ligget is amazing. Even when he's wrong, he is poetic.
rustyjman 8 months ago
Everybody else tested positive for doping in this final group EXCEPT Lance. And he beat them like he was Darth fucking Vader. Lance was, is, and forever will be a GOD of cycling. This was the end of the 4 mountain climb on a 131 mile day, by the way.
citylife80 8 months ago
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C'mon and sing with me. "Now shoot me up before I go go, Don't leave me hanging on like a yo-yo". Dope Long, Win Wrong, PHARM Strong!
musicNsoccer 8 months ago
Phillipe Gilbert wins against him in the tour the france if there's 1 thing they are good at in Belgium it that i mean Tom Boonen,Phillipe Gilbert,Stijn Devolder and it go's on and on and on
blacksoldier99 8 months ago
Sherwen and Liggett are such homers it's actually funny. I guess Sherwen being Armstrong's friend has something to do with it, and working for the official American TDF network also has something to do with it, lol. In all seriousness though, all those guys were on drugs, one way or another. There's not one TDF winner of the last 20 years who hasn't been on drugs. It's all about recovery in a three week bike race, and without drugs, there is no way of such attacks every stage.
davd1986 9 months ago
@davd1986 Homers? The clip i listened to Ligget called it for Kloden as soon as he attacked and was as shocked as anyone when Armstrong caught him at the line.
dredandmrbears 9 months ago
I've been watching the Tour for 8 years and this is by far the best day I ever saw. I woke up extra early for my college class and got high as a kite. It was before I worked at the Casino, so don't worry. This was such a great day. I remember jumping up and down and screaming my brains out. I'll miss Lance....
citylife80 10 months ago
@ YiftertheShifter1 1 month ago, 'Of the three endurance sports, each has that one very famous come-from-behind close victory by the top names of the sport.', So this is such a moment for Cycling? Nice job at proving the recent adage that for some, cycling was invented in 1999. I suggest you find a clip telling the story of the final stage of the 1989 Tour de France.
EMC2Scotia 10 months ago
@EMC2Scotia Oh I already know about it. I wasn't referring to time trials, but come to think about it- I should've put that instead. I still really love this stage- especially how Ligget was completely wrong about the stage results, and then Armstrong comes out of nowhere; the commentators from the other two examples were similar. For the Lemond vs. Fignon, at first it seems very improbable, but when you start hearing how far ahead Lemond is, you start to know that he's won it. Still amazing.
YiftertheShifter1 10 months ago
"And the answer is no there is not!!"
g29er 10 months ago
Awesome!!!!
procyclingmanager08 10 months ago
Doping or no doping, this is an incredible video. And Lance wasn't doping.
citylife80 10 months ago
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Watch my tribute, /watch?v=j8zpLO0WHGE
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thesportrun 11 months ago
Of the three endurance sports, each has that one very famous come-from-behind close victory by the top names of the sport.
In swimming, it was Phelps' come from behind to take the 100m butterfly by .01 in Beijing (the race that threatened his 8-gold quest).
In running, it was the classic Haile Gebreselassie- Paul Tergat duel in the 10000m in Sydney, a triumph by just .09 seconds.
In cycling, it is 2004 TDF, stage 17- an unbelievable demonstration of resilience.
YiftertheShifter1 11 months ago
Two words sum up this stage and, perhaps the whole era these guys where the top riders. Not Real.
EMC2Scotia 11 months ago
@danishsatire I don't know, but ask my good friend Bjarne Riis. He hired Contador recently.
YiftertheShifter1 11 months ago
Thank you for giving Leance example of how to live. You're my idol.
Wiechu123 1 year ago
I like how floyd attacks then gets caught and rethinks who he is as person and then chases kloden down. Amish strength
bodaciousguy 1 year ago
O ciclismo nunca mais será o mesmo !!!!!
Lance armstrong fez eu conhecer o ciclismo e adimira-lo
sonekatti 1 year ago
no dope no hope
plus18ification 1 year ago
Lance is the warrior king! That finish was incredible! Man what fierce determination to storm back and smoke Kloden at the finish line!! Even the commentator thought Kloden had this stage in the bag! To me, this race conclusion sums up the unrivaled competitive spirit of Lance!
steveblue824 1 year ago
man, Kloden must have been pissed!
mattsnow81 1 year ago
thats insane! the comentator is right, there is no stopping Lance!
MrNHL87 1 year ago
Lance you sneaky bastard!! ha ha love it!! Awsome finish!
976doddy 1 year ago
take the & signs out of your URL to get rid of the grey bar spread the word
FTFDan79 1 year ago
Please watch:
THE WORLD'S SIMPLEST TRANSMISSION for BICYCLE
TABAGfrancis 1 year ago
Fuck you Kloden!!!!
McWaters12 1 year ago
lANCE HAS NOT BEE N PROVEN TO DOPE, lANDIS HOWEVER DOPED LIKE A FIEND, lANDIS WORKED HARD FOR aRMSTRONGS WINS THEREFORE lANCE WAS ASSISTED BY DOPING.
jimdroberts 1 year ago
Great race- but the only thing I'm thinking about is how thin are those tires?!
YiftertheShifter1 1 year ago
nice to know that landis is now an asshole to armstrong
bjcnv84 1 year ago
lmao the top 5 of the race all took drugs LOL
gillesowns 1 year ago
@gillesowns LMAO who the fuck are you? atleast they are race in TDF, well you same faggot is comenting on the internet.
btw, Armstrong is clean. Guilty untill proven.
jessciaalba 1 year ago
Unbelievable sprint by Lance Armstrong. His glory days.
smartkani 1 year ago
how did the assist happen?
gotlettuce 1 year ago
If you watched and listened to the complete video clip, Lance is interviewed saying Landis was leading the pack up a hill at such a breakneck speed that not only couldn't anyone take a lead but were dying just to keep up to Landis's pace.
There weren't to many bikers near the finish line feeling very competitive. Probably worn out by Landis. Except , of course, Lance who wins with a full out sprint.
razzz42 1 year ago 5
@gotlettuce
the guy in blue (floyd landis) was maxing out at his highest speed so lance can draft behind him at the same speed but only having to expend 30% less energy. when landis is outta energy, lance can then start pumping out his max and allow him to catch up to the other guy who was already outta energy from attacking too early and without anyone to draft behind. basically lance was saving his energy until the last second.
kennybenny 1 year ago
lance armstrong.
you are a true symbol of pure determination
gotlettuce 1 year ago 2
landis what a joke........
quivalla 1 year ago
I can't believe Liggett called the win for Kloden so quick after he attacked. The whole final km he crowned him the win. LA juiced but he was among the same company especially in that break. T-mobile and Postal the kings of systematic doping.
tbtron5000 1 year ago
@tbtron5000 Oh, I missed it, when did he fail a test? Thats right he didnt. Time for you to go back to bed and dream of being something since you dont think anyone else can be something. Your a Fkn joke.
damonpettit 1 year ago
@damonpettit No, I believe you would be th fuckin joke for thinking he rode clean. The dude is a liar and your an idiot! What will you think when all the shit hits the fan with the feds coming to investigate him. Go watch Versus coverage of the Tour you Fucking noob!!!
tbtron5000 1 year ago
@tbtron5000 I think you need some "dope" in the form of some blood pressure meds. Until he tests positive, or until it is proven, LA rode clean. He's been subject to several witch hunts during his career, and so far, has been exonerated. You are the Paul Kimmage of youtube comments. BTW, the Versus coverage is outstanding, thanks for your recommendation, "Captain Obvious". - Livestrong
jestx101 1 year ago 4
@jestx101 Thanks for your reply!! You are so in the dark when it comes to cycling. I would love a reply from you in a couple of years when he is in deep doo doo. That's all I'm saying. I am entitled to my opinion and I will stick to it... Lance doped period. Paul Kimmage of youtube?? Did you learn of his name from LA's twitter page? Yeah, Kimmage is the devil, because Lance said so. Versus Coverage is for tools like yourself. Captain Obvious?? What grade are you in again??
tbtron5000 1 year ago
@tbtron5000 "I am entitled to my opinion and I will stick to it..." yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but I will stick to the FACTS: LA HAS NEVER TESTED POSITIVE, that is a fact. So until the witch hunt comes up with EVIDENCE, your opinion is NON-FACTUAL. period. What grade am I in? What kind of question is that? I'm not the one that uses "noob" as an attempt to discredit someones opinion. BTW, Kimmage comments were an insult to anyone who has been affected by cancer. Period. Cheers.
jestx101 1 year ago
@jestx101 So what did I ever say about fighting cancer to make you call me "Paul Kimmage of youtube". My opinion was aimed at LA. Period. Be patient and the truth will come out.
tbtron5000 1 year ago
@jestx101 he actually tested positive in 99.
eaweful 1 year ago
@eaweful "The paper even admits in its own article that the science in question here is faulty and that I have no way to defend myself," Armstrong said in a statement released late Monday night. "They state: 'There will therefore be no counter-exam nor regulatory prosecutions, in a strict sense, since defendant's rights cannot be respected.' I will simply restate what I have said many times: I have never taken performance-enhancing drugs." USA TODAY
jestx101 1 year ago
@jestx101 he actually tested positive in 99.
eaweful 1 year ago
@eaweful ":Of the 12 samples that returned as positive, six came from Armstrong, the story said. The lab did not identify the samples as being from Armstrong, and the testing was done with assurances that identification of the samples would be confidential and not used for doping enforcement. But L'Equipe reporters matched the samples' identification numbers in the lab report with information Armstrong released to French judicial investigators in a 2000 doping probe. USAToday
jestx101 1 year ago
@eaweful journalist linking numbers to tests is not a positive test. have a prescription for saddle sores is not a positive. 4+ year old blood samples in a French Lab that have not been maintained under proper controls is not a positive. I saw you at a gay bar so you must be gay. sounds asinine doesn't it. No positive test, not a positive test. I'm sorry you feel the way you do. I used to have a mind closed to the immense success capable of a human being.. i'm sorry you can't understand
jestx101 1 year ago
@tbtron5000 Wow, you have more information than anyone I guess. In the 7 Tours he won in a row, or in any other race that he has been in, he has not tested positive once. I think its possible he was so good because he worked so much harder than any other cyclist out there. I believe you are wrong and I hope you are wrong. If he is ever proven to have dopped to win in any way I will come back and give you props, but I am not sure you or I will live long enough to see that day.
TheDmansMovies 1 year ago
@TheDmansMovies you only planning on living another couple years??? See you then.
tbtron5000 1 year ago
@tbtron5000 I have a feeling that when all is said and done, if there is no evidence of doping on Lance, you will be hiding in a cave. I promise, if anything comes out and is a fact, not a "Landis" accusation, I will give you your props. I will be shocked beyond belief, but I know other shit that has shocked me, so we will see. Not sure why you have it out for Lance, but that is your opinion, so be it. Talk to you again when this is done.
TheDmansMovies 1 year ago
@TheDmansMovies Look up the Michael Anderson Testimony on scribd.
"Michael Anderson testimony on Lance Armstrong" Read it.
All I can say is do some reading and research with an objective mind and you might see it differently. Drugs have been in cycling forever. Do you think LA would show up to a Tour were a lot of the guys are "good" and he proceed s to beat all of them??? Does not work like that. In cycling when something is too good to be true... It usually is.
tbtron5000 1 year ago
@tbtron5000 Just saw your reply. As usual I really do hope Lance never doped. Am I a dope for even hoping for no dope? well probably. There are a few things that give me hope that he did not dope (rhyme) but I guess I will see when all the facts come out. Either way the ones like you that have a different view are what help keep things honest. I hope you are wrong, but we will see. Take care. D
TheDmansMovies 9 months ago
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fuck you cheater
cafaitzizir 1 year ago
tam na mecie jest polska flaga !
lemo00x 1 year ago
Hungry for stages! What can you do.
Countrychiddler 1 year ago
NICE OLN UPLOAD!
mateo1726 1 year ago
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"I believe his performances are the result of the same hard work, dedication and focus that were mine 10 years ago." -Greg LeMond-
Sick3ninVend3tta 1 year ago
My favorite Armstrong victory!
dredandmrbears 1 year ago
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armstrong is a junkie
GO mr dopestrong!
GO mr medical engine!
lance armstrong is stronger than steeve austin "the six million dollar man" ha ha ha ha ha
melende2000 2 years ago
That was smart
ansjol 2 years ago
his normal hematocrit was 43-44% btw... and he really used that tent very much....
omgeverynameistoken 2 years ago
Lance said in an interview that his hematocrit was 41, the published datas of his 2009 blood tests confirm that value.
Alpinists who go for 3 or more months on high mountains in Nepal or Perou don't increase their hematocrit by more that 2 or 3 points despite living there between a 3000 and more height.
Sleeping in altitude tent or high is not good for recovering, so riders when stage finishes on top go sleep in a valley hotel.
So no hematocrit decrease on TDF is a clear indication of doping.
hghepo 2 years ago 6
Altitude tent never provides the possibility to increase hematocrit from 41 to 48 !
Or all riders who have been caught EPO doing or in Puerto, T-Mobile or who paid Fuentes, Ferrari for doping are idiot, they just had to sleep in a tent.
Just use google to check my words.
u368 2 years ago
@u368 Go away man. No wants to hear your commentary. If you really despise Lance that much, then why are you on all of these videos continually trying to prove that your opinion is factual? Sounds like you have an obsessive personal vandetta.
zacharysadams 1 year ago 3
@zacharysadams Why would he want to go away, this man has to be exposed for the Cheetah he is. It is very simple, it is nothing to do with hate, except maybe for his own projected form of it, I'm actually looking for stage 18 , where Armstrong was Bullying and threatening Simeoni. I can't find it, wonder why? Also Lances biggest stooge is our own love Ligget, money alway s talks but there are those whose interest is only for the truth.
davidoffon 1 year ago
@zacharysadams well said buddy
mateo1726 1 year ago
hghepo that's called the hight tent (or something) it does what EPO does in an illegal way... go know ur stuff be4 u say something
omgeverynameistoken 2 years ago
The first generation of EPO have a thin window detection, few hours for small dose, and 2-4 days for big amount. So athletes microdose during the night and are "clean" at breakfast. Blood transfusion are undectable, but increase of hematocrit are highly suspect. With a 41% hecmatocrit it's impossible to have a 48 hematocrit without doping. Lance has a 41% natural hct but recorded a 48-49% during TDF. EPO were found in 6 samples of 1999 TDF by retrotesting, no EPO existed in 1999.
hghepo 2 years ago 12
@hghepo I have to reply to this man. I bike race and I have a natural hemocrit of around 47 which was recorded doing blood work. I've never doped at all. I hear that if I trained at higher elevation my hemacrit would go up. Your evidence here is very lacking.
partylwc 1 year ago
@partylwc Congratulations for your hct, you are above the average values abd above of Lance's (41-42%).
My evidence are strong for people with a physiologist background. Altitude will only affect your hematocrit by 3 or 4 points. But during TDF, riders spend too few time at altitude, especially above 2500m, so there is few hematocrit change.
hghepo 1 year ago
@hghepo
I'm not disagreeing that lance didn't dope, but your evidence is not good. There has been plenty of riders before who were cleared to ride in the tour with an hct of above 50 because they lived at high elevation. Lance could have had an Hct of 41% during the off season. No two humans are identical either, people tend to think if everything was equal all riders would finish the race at the same time. This will never be true.
partylwc 1 year ago
@partylwc People who have a high hct are rapidly identified. Lance has told us that he had 41-42%, that he could increase it to 50% by altitude tents or high training, but that is lies, at best he could obtain 45 or 46%. And during a TDF after 10 days hct drops by 5 to 7 for ALL clean athletes. How could have Lance 48% during the 3rd TDF week when he should have around 35% ?
His body became amazing after he has met the blood doping doctor Ferrari.
More coherent with Lance's doping stories.
hghepo 1 year ago
@hghepo You must watch more of the tour. The climbers ETC are not doing so much work for the first ten days of the tour if they are smart. They are safe guarded by their teammates and then used in the climbing stages. Theoretically now you can not have any HCT drop until the MTNs. You then throw in a week of climbing and the situation you brought up is much different. I believe lance could have got very close to 50 clean. I do think he dopped, he just didn't look clean during some tours.
partylwc 1 year ago
@partylwc I have seen TDFs much closer than you will never be!
And Hct drops for everyone since the first stages... even for protected riders!
You believe that Lance could have walked on water but you are wrong, he is not a god, he is a human with an amazing body like many other TDF riders and many other athletes.
THERE IS NO CLEAN METHOD TO INCREASE HEMATOCRIT FROM 42 TO 50%, NO ONE IS KNOWN DESPITE A LOT OF SCIENTIFIC WORK ON THAT SUBJECT.
hghepo 1 year ago
@hghepo do you have any prove? no its just your bullshit
empiretotalwar1 1 year ago
@empiretotalwar1 As said Ullrich about doping, il you are able to 1+1, it's not difficult to see what was on. Thre is prooves of Lance's doping on the shelves of any lab whiche tested Lance. A good restrotesting and plastizer and EPO will be found in his samples!
hghepo 1 year ago
@hghepo still thats your bullshit, its just you talking
and spell properly
empiretotalwar1 1 year ago
@hghepo I belief vino was caught on blood doping
rolandgarroz 1 year ago
@rolandgarroz Vino was caught on blood doping because he used someone else blood but if he had used his own blood he would not be caught.
hghepo 1 year ago
funny how lance armstrong just took away a stage win for Kloden and then 4 years lter be on the same team.
dahgutone 2 years ago 4
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CookingAmmi 2 years ago
OMFG EPIC
teokiatuan2 2 years ago 3
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lol
pharmstrong shows why he is the opposite of sportmanship...
and you guys are blaming t-mobile...
i hope that contador will crush this pitiful worm of a shit next year again....
analfissur 2 years ago
opposite of sportmanship? i think landis had done so much for lance, so he wanted to give him the win, it shows the respect he has for his teammates!
sorry, but andy schleck will win next year!
(lol at least i hope)
ZeroJohn 2 years ago
Yeah im hoping on andy or bradly
dardo1201 2 years ago
not gonna happen dude...armstrong started preparing for the race very late ..but next year...if he didn't think he could win he wouldn't have come back...like armstrong said.. "if u wask me today if i can win the tour..answer is no...but its not today"...so fuck u all haters..u just hate him coz he's so amazing..
ambuj1991 2 years ago
Heck no. Contador is on a much weaker team next year. GC contender but not another win for sure.
dahgutone 2 years ago
You are a fucking retard, epogen is a fat soulable medication that was given to him durng treatment and is in the fat cells, but remains inactive. Why do you think they let him ride?? Get your head out of your ass.
laetrille 2 years ago 3
What a race that was.
JeffTheNebraskaDJ 2 years ago
So happy for Lance. A true hero. He doesn't have anything to prove.
seconddoug 2 years ago 7
@seconddoug he have to prove he is not a cheater
Erwanlebreton 1 year ago
@Erwanlebreton How would you recommend doing that? Have him race and see if he still can compete despite his age with the most rigorous drug testing schedule? Oh....wait....they already did that.....You and all you haters need to go lay down with the rest of the mutts..... "he have to prove"? what are you from Spain or something? If so then Im done talking to you anyway.
seconddoug 1 year ago
@seconddoug Just to prove that he did it clean and free of any drug.
But all is suggesting that he used massive blood doping
u368 1 year ago
That was TRULY GODLY
KingSnowman 2 years ago 5
just AMAZING !!!
grotestudder 2 years ago 2
Andreas Klöden is commendable for his sportsmanship in supporting Lance Armstrong's comeback. I do not know Klöden personally, but his faithful teammate to LA and AC this 2009 TdF shows sportsmanship. Klöden is a champion in my eyes for this reason.
ObssessedwithGermany 2 years ago 11