Biblecreationist: keep in mind Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them." so are you keeping the whole law? All 613 concepts of it? Let it go then you should be under grace. Sda church is a cult.
The funny thing is that nobody would watch a show like this anymore because most people don't believe anything very specific. They're all Christmas time Christians.
and about you saying hell isint eternal ovcourse it is God is eternal and he created us in his image didint he?? what would be the point of judgement if people are all ready dead why raise them to life just to kill them again?? our soul endures for ever wake up God is agry at the wicked everyday we must hide in the rock of jesus christ! remember jesus constantly stressed about hell and were the worm never dies and the fire never goes out. read the bible mate (nkjv)
we cant uphold the law were all guilty which is why we rely on jesus for righteousness. once we truly repent and do that the holy spirit will come and live in us and then the baring good fruit comes in natrully like a duck natrully quaks. remember the theif on the cross he never once kept the sabbath and he said to jesus remember me when you pass into your kingdom and jesus said today you will be with me in paridise. sda is a sneaky strict cult and need to be set free. God bless
Questions on Doctrine is known by Seventh-day Adventists to have MISREPRESENTED the beliefs of the church. Leroy Froom was completely DISHONEST about what Adventists really believe so that the Adventist church wouldn't be classified as a cult.
I am doing a series of videos EXPOSING what the Adventists ACTUALLY believe. And it's NOT what's in Questions on Doctrine.
just put it this way if ellen g white is correct then we dont have to go to hell and no big loss but if us true born again christains who rely souly on jesus christ as saviour then use go to hell forever?? comon 7th day adventists its not worth it ellen g white is a trick of the devil!!!!!!!!!!!
@mamainmancj If I understand your argument correctly, the fact that mainstream Christianity has a God who punishes eternally rather than simply destroying them, that means it is right. That is absurd, There is a HUGE loss, not getting to spend eternity with our loving creator. I don't need the threat of eternal punsihment to make me choose Jesus as my savoir. We are born again Christians too, who are you to Judge my salvation? We also rely on Jesus as our Savoiur, but we don't throw out Gods law
@BibleCreationist ok contridictions such as use wont eat pork and have a certain diet and very strick about the sabbath. read colossains 2:16 in the bible that will deal with that. and now if you open your BIBLE read ephesains 2:8-9 for by grace are we saved through faith and not of works lest ne man should boast. now use are still relying on ure works. wake up call were all sinners the bible says if you break the law at one point your guilty of breaking it all.
@mamainmancj We don't believe we are saved by works. does that mean we shouldn't follow God's law? Rom 6:15 "What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid." We don't eat those things for heath reasons, the same reason God gave those in leviticus. Colosians 2:16 doesn't invalidate the Sabbath. It says not to let them judge you in regard, though it could speak of the judgers saying not to. Also that may very well be the yearly Sabbaths.
we dont do good works in order to be saved not 2 mention use are contridicting the holy scriptures and doin faulse good works. good works come with jesus when you repent and trust in only him its called being born again and becoming a new creation in christ. you see a real christain will do good and loving works because he is saved not to get saved. im prayin for you guys to get set free from all ellen g whites lies. she is a wicked woman. luv yas!!!!
7th day adventist aint christain its a faulse prophet orginization and shud be shut down come on guys repent and trust in jesus thats all thats needed the rest comes natrully like a duck quaks. ellen g white is full or contridictions and she is a serpent. wouldent surprize me if shes a demon manifeasted in the fleash. pray to jesus and ask for absolute truth. the truth will set you free from all that hard nosed religon. good works cant save you otherwise what was the point in jesus?
@mamainmancj Who said good works saved you? Read SDA stuff before you comment, we believe it is a consequence of our salvation, not the cause. Mat 7:16 "Ye shall know them by thier fruits" If we are to see who a person's allegience is with, then we know by thier actions. The byproduct of the holy spririt obviosly couldn't save us, but If we are alligned with Christ then we should do good works. Also what contradictions do you speak of? lol demon manifested in flesh, read one of her books first.
God loves us so much He gave His Son, not to condemn, but to save. Whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life Glory of the gospel! Jesus took our place Gift of God This is true for u, long as u don’t reject it Light has come into the world, but men love the darkness instead of the light bc there deeds were evil. Evil hates the light & will not come to the light, for fear there deeds will be exposed. So my friends come to the light! Believing Receiving same thing
God loves us so much He gave His Son, not to condemn, but to save. Whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life Glory of the gospel! Jesus took our place Gift of God This is true for u, long as u don’t reject it Light has come into the world, but men love the darkness instead of the light bc there deeds were evil. Evil hates the light & will not come to the light, for fear there deeds will be exposed. So my friends come to the light! Believing Receiving same thing
Well, this sums it up. They believe (like JW's) that Jesus is Michael the Arch Angel. That is a different Jesus and no doubt that different Jesus comes from a different gospel that has different doctrine than the Biblical Jesus and his Apostles taught. Therefore, SDA's are a psuedo christian cult. Not Christian. Paul wrote that if anyone preach a different gospel than what was established from in the beginning let them be anathema (cursed).
Preaching a different Jesus is the difference between life and death. It's scary to think about really, as Jesus said unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.
Being an SdA from brith and having been involved in other churches; I have to say that the Sabbath does not save. However if Jesus were living presently would we still keep it. The fact is he transcended all religious boxes we all come up with. Do you love your Adventist neighbor as yourself? What about Your Jewish neighbor?
I'm an Adventist, but God himself is not a Religious square. So, do you love him with all your might? Here's a question is adultery done away with? I know it's still v
I like the way Paul was. If he was with the jews, he did as they did so that he would have the opportunity to speak with them about Jesus. When with the gentiles, he lived as they did, apart from the law, yet not without the law of Christ. When with the gentiles, he never kept the feasts, but he did while with the jews.
He taught that we should be careful that we don't cause another to stumble in their walk. If someone feels that its wrong to eat something, we shouldn't do it in..
front of them for if they believed it was wrong and we cause them to do it, then they sinneth unto themselves. Mostly that we should respect the faith of those who have doubts on what they should or shouldn't do. It's not the action of these commands that save us or don't save us so they really are not important to argue over or to force people into doing or not doing.
But there is a few things that do matter and that is loving others:) and belief in Jesus<---those are what matters
If I lived in a town where the christians only gathered on Saturday, I wouldn't argue and push them to meet on Sunday. If the meet on Sunday, I wouldn't push or force them to meet on Saturday. it's simply not important, what is important is that they are gathering and praising the Lord and using that time to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Now if they were to teach something erroneous, such as, you have to go on saturday or you won't be saved. I wouldn't step foot in because to step in....
would be to endorse their teaching, just as Paul wouldn't circumcise someone because of this very same reason, yet, he circumcised another when it was for the benefit of those they would be speaking to.
Numerous doctrines don't pertain to salvation and have no bearing on whether one would be saved if they kept or didn't keep them. But by all means if someone adds a doctrine to salvation that doesn't belong, speak up!
@Myhopeisinhim Its true what you say. How about this correction. Jesus is living. The commandments are still valid and applicable. Jesus kept the commandments. When After people get married in most culture they go away to be together. Jesus created Mankind on Friday evening, and rested from his work on Saturday. We know this because Jesus was called from the grave Sunday. The law does not save, but Jesus does. Here is one. The Thief whom Jesus promised would be in paradise with him
@Myhopeisinhim did he keep the commandments? probably not, yet Jesus died and rested as he has always done. He got up and started again on Sunday as he did in the beginning of time.We are still charged to not kill and to not steal. Gods law is still valid, and we should not force it on each other. Its a choice just as Adam and Eve chose to eat of the fruit. They had free will, but were commanded not to eat that fruit.
When our Lord died as our representative, He took our place. In my place He stood, sealed me with His blood Justified is the open door to the temple beautiful He became what He was not, so I could become what I am not. It is not a matter of who you are, but who's you are, the devils or Christ's
Sins of yesterday, today, and tomorrow, I am in Him by faith! I have been crucified with Him, I have been buried with Him (Rom 6:4) I have been raised with him(Col 3:1)
When our Lord died as our representative, He took our place. In my place He stood, sealed me with His blood Justified is the open door to the temple beautiful He became what He was not, so I could become what I am not. It is not a matter of who you are, but who's you are, the devils or Christ's
Sins of yesterday, today, and tomorrow, I am in Him by faith! I have been crucified with Him, I have been buried with Him (Rom 6:4) I have been raised with him(Col 3:1)
Interesting, it seems Ankerberg thinks every Christian denomination is not Christian besides that to which he belongs as EVERY show is (Christian denomination) vs Christianity. You'll also note he's often a combatant.....
SDA Christology during the 1970's Those embraced the Protestant Gospel, like Ford, correctly supported the position that Jesus took the nature of Adam BEFORE the fall
Some still hold to had a human nature after the fall of Adam.
But those that understood the fundamentals of Protestantism protested this false and twisted theology that repudiated Historic Adventism and the Gospe
SDA today refuses to take a position or settle the issue.
@game11221 Although the perfectionists won the debate in 1980, (by dishonesty and force) at Glacier View, causing a purge as well as the start of a great schism, the leaders have since backpedaled and embraced Dr. Ford's view, without wanting to admit it. So in an attempt to avoid taking responsibility for their errors and repenting, they have shifted to a pluralistic policy, which allows for both views to be held within the church.
@HighOnPaint While they may believe in the trinity and so forth, the SDA Church believes themselves to be a remnant Church, separating themselves from all other churches. That makes them a cult. We could get into their other doctrines, but I will not get into that.
@OneFaithMinistries Interesting. Misunderstood, but interesting. So you've decided to dismiss an entire denomination as false solely based on your biased personal opinion that it is a "cult"? Could you expound?
@HighOnPaint I have been to an SDA Church and I know what they teach. Yes, I am going to dismiss the entire denomination because they are not Christians. I can tell that you are an SDA. That being said, I am not going to debate doctrine with you. Good Day.
@OneFaithMinistries You sure are a funny person. That's fine if you don't want to "debate", but if you are not going to provide a backup for your statements, please don't even bother making them. It is unscientific, immature, and shows blatant flaws in your way of thinking. Let me guess, you're Catholic.
When our Lord died as our representative, He took our place. In my place He stood, sealed me with His blood Justified is the open door to the temple beautiful He became what He was not, so I could become what I am not. It is not a matter of who you are, but who's you are, the devils or Christ's
Sins of yesterday, today, and tomorrow, I am in Him by faith! I have been crucified with Him, I have been buried with Him (Rom 6:4) I have been raised with him(Col 3:1)
WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS NOT TRUTH, YOU ARE TAKING A WORD HERE AND THERE OUT OF CONTEST,,,I'LL TELL WHAT ,,I'LL SEE YOU WHEN HE COMES, WILL SHOULD SEE,,I REST MY CASE.
I am an adventist back then my ministers told us that we will be the only people, member of the adventist, to enter the Kingdom of God. Of course that's not true.
BEFORE I GO EVEN THE EXPRESSION OF YOUR FACE WHEN THE ADVENTIST BROTHER TALKS, IT SEEMS THAT YOU ARE NOT EVEN HEARING HIM,,WHAT A LOCK OF RESPECT,,YOU DONT HAVE JESUS IN YOUR LIFE,,IM TALKING TO YOU SO CALL DOCTOR SITTING NEXT TO THE ADVENTIST BROTHER, YOUR INTENTIONS ARE PURE,,REMEMBER THIS DAY ON THE SHOW,,,WHEN HE COMES,,YOU WILL REMEMBER,IF YOU READ THIS,YOU WILL PROBABLE HAVE THE SAME SMURK FACE US YOU DID WHEN EVER THE BROTHER SPEAKS, REPENT,THE TIME OF HIS JUDGEMENT HAS COME.
LIKE I WAS SAYING WHICH I DID NOT FINISH DO TO SPACE, YOU WILL NEVER AGREE WITH US, BECAUSE YOU REFUSE TO OBEY GOD AND KEEP GODS COMMANDS, THATS THE REASON WHY YOU THINK THE WAY YOU DO SPEAK AND EXPRESS ABOUT SISTER WHITE AND THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH,,CHALLENGE ME,,I BEG YOU BUT ON YOUR TV SHOW, IM NO PASTOR NEITHER I GO EVERY SABBATH TO CHURCH, I WILL CHALLENGE YOU IN EVERY POINT FROM THE BIBLE IN REFERENCE TO SISTER WHITE.
@hughdiock YOU DID NOT RED THE CONTEXT, SHE EXALTED JESUS, I WILL NO REPLY TO YOU AGAIN UNTIL YOU HAVE SOME THING POSITIVE TO SAY ABOUT ELLEN G. WHITE..JUST TELL ME SOME THING POSITIVE,,ALL YOU ARE DOING AMONG THOUSANDS OF PAGES TAKING A TEXT OUT CONTEST AND MAKING AS IF SISTER WHITE WAS NOT A TRUE SERVANT OF GOD.
@joeplacetas1 I have NOTHING positive to say about a false prophet!!!! Why would I? I have taken NOTHING out of context. Ellen White denied the divinity of Christ (she later reputiated that belief, but still preached it nonetheless). Ellen White and the entire LDS church believe that Jesus is Michael. Am I making this up?
Old "antychrist" Monroe talking lies about sect of 7th day adventists and how we supposted to have mass on Saturday only! Wrong, it`s Sunday like apostoles had
"...And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow;and continued his speech until midnight." Acts 20,6-7
@Empowered Mormons, Shriners, Kiwanis Club, Elks Lodge and Lions Club and dozens of organizations do charitable works; Shriners fund hospitals...that doesn't make them Apostolic Christians who believe in salvation full and free by the Grace of God as spelled out in the New Testament. After 40 years of preaching salvation by Law, EGW accepted righteousness by faith somewhat, and it cost her a decade of exile in Australia..read her 1888 materials on EGW website to verify in her own words.
Ellen G White + Adventists teach that Satan is needed at the end to complete the final and full payment for all our sins. All the sin of the world MUST be placed on Satan at the end for the completion of atonement. Adventists also believe they will be lost and receive the Mark of the Beast if they stopped attending SDA Sabbath Church Service. In reality, Adventists have 3 Saviors. Jesus + Themselves + Satan. As for me, I only have 1 Savior, Jesus Christ my Lord and sole Saviour.
@The1Antonio1 Right! They say that all confessed sins reside in the heavenly sanctuary and Jesus cannot come till it's cleansed. BUT they teach Jesus will come, the sanctuary will be cleansed of all sins, and they will reign in heaven 1000 years before the wicked and Satan are judged. If the sins are laid on Satan (scapegoat) at the end of the 1000 years, where ARE they (sins) during that 1000 year period before they are laid upon Satan? Does not compute!
Adventists have this delusion that just because they get out of bed every Sabbath, get dressed up in a suit or dress, attend a building with other Adventists, sing a song or two, tithe, gossip a bit about each other, hear a sermon, and go home, that magically they are now perfect Sabbath and Law keepers and saved by God based on their weekly Sabbath works! They are deceived with legalism and in reality they have 2 Saviors, part Jesus and part themselves and their own Sabbath keeping!
@The1Antonio1 I am an Adventist who is trying to find truth. So far I believe our doctrine but I'm trying to study more to confirm them and I am willing to change whatever believe I may hold that is inaccurate with the bible. BUT, the way your talking about Adventists is ridiculous. First of all, you don't know all Adventists so you can't honestly say that all Adventists think the way you say they do. Some think this way that you described, but hypocrites are in every church. Join the club.
@punch2face I was a member of the SDA for 12 years so your comments are in error and false accusations.
Secondly, if you knew everything EGW taught and everything EGW got wrong, you would also leave the SDA cult which is influenced and led by demons, not God.
They teach a false gospel and false doctrines that cause people to be deceived.
I know what I am talking about, I was a member of this cult for over 10 years.
@The1Antonio1 And second, your accusations are being refuted by other adventists so we are not defenseless. I have studied our doctrine and so far I agree with them. If I come to a legitimate disagreement then in Jesus' name ill be free. Until then I agree with them because we preach salvation by grace alone.
"I was a member of the SDA for 12 years so your comments are in error and false accusations."
So by this you mean to say that you in fact know ALL Adventists on earth thus you are right when you say that every Adventist thinks the way you say they do?
You must be God then.. I am not bothered by you being in disagreement with Adventist doctrine. What bothers me is that you accuse all adventists of being the same way when you don't know us all. Thus, your comment is inaccurate.
@The1Antonio1 Basically, faith is active. and it prompts certain actions. Through faith in God you realize how great the gift we have been given. Just to know God, you cant help but love Him. He clearly says if you love me keep my commandments. So its out of love i do what i do. Since we have the free gift, should i just sin? Paul says 'God forbid' read on in Romans chapter 6. And Mr. Antonio, i applaud you. Continue to ask questions and i will continue to pray for all of our understanding
@yorkchiman Are you keeping God's 10 Commandments perfectly today and never sin? Yes or No?
Matthew 5:37 Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and? your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
If Yes, then are you seriously claiming you have reached perfectionism and now never ever sin anymore? If No, then do you admit you are a 10 Commandment breaker?
And remember what James said,stumble in one point you guilty of breaking the whole LAW!
@yorkchiman If you are SDA, then you have NOT read your doctrinal beliefs on the plan of salvation very well! SDA's teach that we are Justified by faith apart from the Law, but for Sanctification we must be put immediately back under the Law which the NT says was in place to lead us until Christ came. He came already! It fulfilled it's mission! We now have new laws aside from the essential one of Love. Believe on Jesus, get baptized, go ye into all the world, do this in remembrance of me etc.
I was a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Denomination for 12 years but I have now resigned my membership because I came to understand and realise that I am saved by faith and grace alone, not by works or personal Sabbath keeping that the SDA teach. I teach the gospel of justification,sanctification and righteousness by faith alone. But now most Adventists abuse me and call me a child of Satan. Once I came out of Babylon/SDA I am set free in the grace and righteousness of Christ. Praise Jesus!
end: (also realize that being in church alone does not equal keeping the sabbath holy..its a day where you but all other cares away and spend quality time with the Lord. Exodus 20:8-11 and Isiah 58:13), and since i love Him, i do it to the best of my ability. If anymore questions i will try to check back and answer. I hope i was able to clarify.
Contd :only through the acceptance of Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Now that we have covered that, we understand that the keeping of the commandments isnt what saves you because we are no longer under the law because of Grace (read romans 6:14-18 with special attention to 16-18) thank God. But in addition bible says in Jon 14:15, if you love me keep my commandments. I dont go to church every sabbath because its what saves me, i go because on of God's commandments was to keep the sabbath Holy
To understand Martin & ref's to Questions on Doctrine in this OLD video, the book was reprinted with additional material notes etc. AN SDA Q.O.D. Conference was held in '97 and the real truth about the book is told. Free mp3 files of the Conf. speakers are online; google "Andrews University Questions on Doctrine" and select download tabs. MOST important talks are by George Knight & Herbert Douglass. The abberant SDA view on salvation is spelled out in crystal clear terms as is nature of Jesus
Q for Adventists: If you stop attending SDA Church service on the Sabbath for the rest of your life,will you still be saved by faith in Jesus? Yes or No?
Your answer will prove either way, if you are double talking and under legalism, or if you truly believe you are saved by faith alone. Because if you believe you will be lost if you stop attending SDA Church every Sabbath, then you do not believe in salvation by faith alone at all. You believe in salvation by faith + your own Sabbath keeping.
@The1Antonio1 - I am an Adventist. In talking about faith, The bible says faith without works is dead (James 2:14-26) My faith is built on the Belief and trust in God and the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ His son. The bible says all has sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God (Romans 3:23) there is no man thats prefect, not one. If you continue to read the chapter, you see the purpose of this scripture is to realize that you are saved
@yorkchiman I will prove that you are lying with a simple question:
Do you believe you will still be saved by faith in Jesus and avoid the future Mark of the Beast if you were to permanently stop meeting Adventists every Saturday morning to sing a few songs, tithe, hear a sermon and go home?
Yes or? No?
Your answer will prove that you are lying because you believe you will be lost and will receive the Mark of the Beast if you stopped attending SDA Church Service every Saturday.
Are you keeping God's 10 Commandments perfectly today and never sin? Yes or No?
Matthew 5:37 Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and? your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
If Yes, then are you seriously claiming you have reached perfectionism and now never ever sin anymore? If No, then do you admit you are a 10 Commandment breaker?
And remember what James said,stumble in one point you guilty of breaking the whole LAW!
You are deluded! You believe because you attend SDA Church Service every Saturday morning, sing a few songs, pay your tithe, hear a sermon and go home.. that by some miracle, you are now a perfect 10 Commandment keeper. Well I have news for you,you are NOT a sinless and perfect 10 Commandment keeper! Just because you weekly attend SDA Church service, don't make you one. You are a sinner and James says you are a Sabbath and Commandment breaker. Break one commandment, you break them all!
..."Then he (satanic High Priest) said, 'Now, my next statement is going to upset some of you, but what I’m telling you is the honest truth, it’s factual and it’s reality. The fact that the Adventists observe the Biblical Sabbath of creation and reverence the Creator on that day makes it impossible for the spirits to deceive them. They are given very special help and great spiritual insight. Under these conditions they
are not ordinary people.”-Roger Morneu, "Trip Into the Supernatural"
I'm not into denominations but I know that God said to keep the 7th day, Saturday (Sabbath) holy.
"The High priest also mentioned the fact that while Lucifer has chosen Sunday as his holy day, the Creator has chosen the Seventh day of the week. It was Lucifer who influenced calling his first day of the week, the sacred day of sun
worship, “Sunday”. He explained that the 'Venerable Day of the Sun' has always been a terrible irritant to the Creator" -Roger Morneau, Former Spirit Worshiper
If you are one who believes Ellen White (Gould) was a prophet then you have to believe that you are NOT one of the Remnant. In her own words, Ellen G. White taught that there was no more salvation for sinners after Oct. 22, 1844. That would include present-day Adventists. Your own cult religion has pegged you as one of the damned.
ATTENTION Adventists: Are you a perfect Sabbath keeper? Yes or No?
If Yes, then do you claim you are actually perfectly keeping the Sabbath Commandment without flaw at all?
And do you then claim you keep the whole 10 Commandments perfectly and that you are now sinless, because James said if you break 1 point you break the whole law! So you would need to be a perfect 10 Commandment keeper to be classified as a Perfect Sabbath Keeper.
If your answer is No,then you admit you are a Sabbath breaker?
Adventists have rejected the true gospel of grace. Instead they believe they are saved by personal Sabbath keeping. And this can easily be proven.. Approach any Adventist and ask them this:
"If you stopped attending Church service every Sabbath for the rest of your life, will you still be saved by faith in Jesus Christ?"
They will begin to twitch, get upset and defensive and their answer will be "Hmm not sure" OR "No! Only SDA Sabbath keepers will be saved and avoid the mark of the beast"
@The1Antonio1 Brother Antonio, I have said to you the true gospel. Why do you still post this? Where is the cry of repentance and reformation of lives? You distract from the big picture. The Sabbath issue must only be viewed in the big picture. Why have you ignored what Paul and John wrote? Why have you ignored the angel who guided John's vision in Revelation? I have not answered directly b/c your question is framed in the wrong context. Please, don't ignore Paul, John or the angel.
@iMattCi89 You are a LIAR Matt.You have not taught the true Gospel and I can prove it!
If you stop attending SDA Church service on the Sabbath for the rest of your life,will you still be saved by faith in Jesus? Yes or No?
Your answer will prove if you are double talking and under legalism, or if you truly believe you are saved by faith alone. Because if you believe you will be lost if you stop attending SDA Church every Sabbath, then you do not believe in salvation by faith alone at all.
@The1Antonio1 As I have said, you distract from the true Gospel. Do you even love Jesus? Do you love Jesus? Do you know what true repentance and reformation is? You paint your question like a Pharisee would; giving only two choices when Christ showed a third. You get so hung up about faith that you forget that faith without love is useless. You don't teach the full Gospel. Do you love Jesus? Do you love Him?
SDA teach the "Investigative Judgment" where they claim Jesus is in the heavenly Sanctuary today, blotting out their sins. But, how can there be any blotting out sins today or into the future when Jesus stopped bleeding at Calvary and has not bled since? Only by shedding Jesus' blood can there be forgiveness, Heb 9:22, yet Jesus stopped bleeding 2000 years ago and is not bleeding since. So how can sins be blotted out today? Ask Adventists these questions and they get angry and defensive!!
Adventists DO NOT believe in Imputed Righteousness i.e. Righteousness by faith. They believe in righteousness through Sabbath and Commandment keeping.
Ask an Adventist if? they stopped attending Church on Saturday mornings if they can still be saved. Their answer is NO! Ellen White was a false teacher who has placed Adventists under works/legalism. She said: "In order to let Jesus into our hearts, we must stop sinning." - {ST, March 3, 1890 par. 3}. Ironically she died a sinner.
SDA teach the "Investigative Judgment" where they claim Jesus is in the heavenly Sanctuary today, blotting out their sins. But, how can there be any blotting out sins today or into the future when Jesus stopped bleeding at Calvary and has not bled since? Only by shedding Jesus' blood can there be forgiveness, Heb 9:22, yet Jesus stopped bleeding 2000 years ago and is not bleeding since. So how can sins be blotted out today? Ask Adventists these questions and they get angry and defensive!!
" SDA teach the "Investigative Judgment" where they claim Jesus is in the heavenly Sanctuary today, blotting out their sins."
***Jesus is in the Most Holy place in the heavenly Sanctuary, but he is not blotting out our sins, He is praying for us! Praying to His Father that He was reveal Himself to us, so as His sacrificial sacrifice for the atonement of our sins, should not be in vain! He is interceding for us! ***
no Adventist ever said Jesus is blotting our sins in the sanctuary! !
@Abramovick93 "While the investigative judgment is going forward in heaven, while the sins of penitent believers are being removed from the sanctuary, there is to be a special work of purification, of putting away of sin, among God's people upon earth". GREAT CONTROVERSY, PG. 426 [Note: present tense] EGW says some sins are already gone, and if the entire topic is studied she & SDA's claim multiple other things are happening at the same time.
@Abramovick93 Things to ponder: EGW says in reference to heavenly sanctuary in SDA Bible Comm., "A New and Living way, before which hangs NO VEIL, is offered to all." She states as most non SDA's, that there is no veil in heaven...then how can Jesus have moved in 1844 (with pomp & CEREMONY through the inner veil and closed the holy place in heaven as she stated in one of her first visions when she was but a young girl.
@The1Antonio1 " SDA teach the "Investigative Judgment" where they claim Jesus is in the heavenly Sanctuary today, blotting out their sins."
***Jesus is in the Most Holy place in the heavenly Sanctuary, but he is not blotting out our sins, He is praying for us! Praying to His Father that He was reveal Himself to us, so as His sacrificial sacrifice for the atonement of our sins, should not be in vain! He is interceding for us! ***
no Adventist said Jesus is blotting our sins in the sanctuary!
@Abramovick93 "but he is not blotting out our sins, He is praying for us! " Not according to EGW: The heavenly sanctuary is being cleansed as as it was in OT. Jesus is performing HP function as on earth, when dead are judged, the living cases are decided and at any moment your case could be decided. If you sinned and did not repent while your case was in review, you can never be forgiven for the rest of your life...according to her.
@Abramovick93 Things to ponder: SDA's claim all facets of OT sanctuary must mirror Christ's work in heaven. On Day of Atone. in O.T., High Priest had to make atonement for his own sins, & his family sins, before entering the Most Holy. Jesus had no personal sin to confess so this is not pattern of OT day of Atone. In Lev 16, Aaron makes Atone. for ALL of the Sanctuary before confessing sin on scapegoat who bears them into the wilderness alive, never to be killed!
@Abramovick93 "The cleansing of the sanctuary therefore involves a work of investigation--a work of judgment". GC. Ch. 23. EGW claims this is going on since 1844. Investigation and judgement! However, her writings often contain several versions on certain doctrines if read sequentially from earliest to last writing.
@The1Antonio1 " SDA teach the "Investigative Judgment" where they claim Jesus is in the heavenly Sanctuary today, blotting out their sins."
***Jesus is in the Most Holy place in the heavenly Sanctuary, but he is not blotting out our sins, He is praying for us! Praying to His Father that He was reveal Himself to us, so as His sacrificial sacrifice for the atonement of our sins, should not be in vain! He is interceding for us! ***
no Adventist Jesus is blotting our sins in the sanctuary!
The Investigative Judgement, as taught in the fundamental SDA beliefs, is a concept that is not only foreign to the New Testament, it is contrary to the gospel which teaches that we pass from death to life the moment we put our faith in the Lord (John 5:24). When the High Priest went within the veil on the Day of Atonement, he ministered the atoning blood immediately. SDA have this wrong and they are in error. Their belief comes from Ellen White, NOT the Scriptures.
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" Revelation 12:17
SDA teach the "Investigative Judgment" where they claim Jesus is in the heavenly Sanctuary today, blotting out their sins.
But, how can there be any blotting out sins today or into the future when Jesus stopped bleeding at Calvary and has not bled since?
Only by shedding Jesus' blood can there be forgiveness, Heb 9:22, yet Jesus stopped bleeding 2000 years ago and is not bleeding since. So how can sins be blotted out today?
Ask Adventists these questions and they get angry and defensive!!
The Sabbath isn't about a particular day, but we have to stop being so carnal and realize the spiritual meaning behind the Sabbath. Jesus is our Sabbath day of rest. In Him we REST. He said, "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you REST." The Sabbath day of rest isn't sunday nor saturday, the Sabbath day of rest is JESUS! And we honor the Sabbath (Christ) everyday because we abide in CHRIST our SABBATH DAY of REST everyday!!!
@Thia911 you should try reading your bible with the prayer asking GOD to open your mind to accept truth.....read from Genesis to Revelation carefully and you will better understand also you could read HEBREWS CAHP. 4...READ ENTIRE CHAPTER...
@LeonRJordan It is really sad that you told me to read the Bible and ask for truth when it is obvious that the chapter u quoted u did not study to understand what it really is saying. About Hebrews 4, if u would just take the time to actually STUDY it, you would understand that the only way we can enter into Sabbath rest is by going THROUGH JESUS! Why? because HE is our Sabbath day of rest! Pls do STUDY NOT READ STUDY Genesis to rev and u will see truth.
@LeonRJordan Come unto me all who are weary and burdened, I shall give you REST (Matt: 11:28). He is our Sabbath, He is our place of REST. The people rested in the Sabbath day in the old covenant because it was a SHADOW or TYPE pointing to Christ. In the new covenant we see that shadow manifested as Jesus, the fullment of the law, now we rest in the real Sabbath day which is Jesus. If you want to believe what uve been taught over the Word that is fine, God bless you. :-)
Adventists have rejected the true gospel of grace. Instead they believe they are saved by personal Sabbath keeping. And this can easily be proven.. Approach any Adventist and ask them this:
"If you stopped attending Church service every Sabbath for the rest of your life, will you still be saved by faith in Jesus Christ?"
They will begin to twitch, get upset and defensive and their answer will be "Hmm not sure" OR "No! Only SDA Sabbath keepers will be saved and avoid the mark of the beast"
@BuckLakeBoy as an ex-Adventist, what do you believe regarding the end times? Pre-trib? Post-trib? No rapture? is the catholic church the whore of babylon?
@InDefenseofChrist ...Question here regards SDA as cult which they are. The "prophet" EGW, is now known to have plagiarized her first vision, most of her Testimonies To The Church (9 Volumes) & all general books and articles. After returning fom Switzerland she described the scenery there in plagiarized text from Wylie. She couldn't even describe scenery without stealing the words of others. This is an old video, long before the extent of her plagiarism was admitted by EGW Estate.
@iMattCi89 Aventist Review, 1981, April 2, and July 29, 1982, by Ron Graybill Asst. Sec. EGW Estate. Two articles deal with plagiarized Testimonies For The Church and also includes their statement regarding use of Wylie text to describe the scenery she saw while in Zurich. This is only a starting point for admissions re: EGW. (Ministry Mag & much later editions of Review alone provide dozens of SDA authorized research articles along this line)
@iMattCi89 Yes they are: 1981-04-02 and 1982-07-29 at the General Conference - Office of Archives & Statistics - Documents, NOT the Review's own website! G.C. online archive has almost every periodical ever published worldwide from 1850's onwards. Read Ministry & Review from 1 year prior to publication of The White Lie and see the frenzy of EGW articles since the GC knew Walter was going to publish & went into damage control mode. Also Australasian Record is quite revealing at the same time.
@BuckLakeBoy I just finished looking over those 2 articles u mentioned. But I don't see anything that would shake my belief that she was inspired. Does Scripture say that a prophet is not a prophet if the vision uses imagery of something he/she saw in real life? Does Scripture say that a prophet is false if he/she writes down what he/she saw in vision using phrases other inspired ppl have written w/out always crediting them?
@iMattCi89 "Although I am as dependent upon the Spirit of the Lord in writing my views as I am in receiving them, yet the words I employ in describing what I have seen are my own, unless they be those spoken to me by an angel, which I always enclose in remarks of quotation". --Review and Herald, Oct. 8, 1867.) {3SM 49.7}__"When writing these precious books, if I hesitated, the very word I wanted to express the idea was given me".--Letter 265, 1907. {3SM 51.7}
@BuckLakeBoy :) you actually nailed it, though. Thing is, the prophets in Scripture had quite a bit of their visions shown using things which they had experienced (whether by reading, hearing, or seeing in real life). To me it isn't an issue ("the words I employ in describing what I have seen are my own") If it parallels what some other guy wrote, God could have used what she read to show her the vision.
@iMattCi89 OT prophets from centuries B.C; what books did they read and incorporate into their visions? John used OT references in Revelation but he didn't claim otherwise and that is a test of a prophet..do they speak to the word of God and none of the above said quite distinctively that they did not copy as EGW did. She is being judged by HER OWN WORDS, not some loophole to excuse her rampant copying from other authors while claiming divine originality and also claiming royalties on her books
@BuckLakeBoy "what books did they read and incorporate into their visions?" Perhaps you misread me. What I was saying is that the visions the prophets had were mostly shown using things they came across in their life, so they could grasp it. And as for NT prophets, one stands out like a sore thumb. Jude quotes the Book of Enoch, which isn't accepted as scripture. As for E.W saying she didn't copy, let's revisit what she said.
@iMattCi89 You still avoid the issue by diversion! The bible writers did not make expansive claims that every word they wrote was their own or from vision. EGW DID many times! She even claimed not to read any denomination papers so that her mind would NOT be influenced by others ideas while she was reading other denomination material and incorporating that. Stick with what SHE claimed about HER writings, not what other people did or said.
@BuckLakeBoy Right after she said, "although I am ... yet the words I employ in describing what I have seen are my own", she said," As I wrote upon the subject of dress, the view .. revived in my mind as .. viewing them in vision..but I was left to describe the length ..in my own language as best I could."
Here, her earlier comment was referring to her describing her visions. GC, DA, etc. were not descriptions of her visions. Plus, in her comment, she was ref. to qns on the Health Reform Vision
@iMattCi89 Then it would appear that you do not own original editions of her books such as GC and the various editions and changes it went through over the years before it ever ended up as the book published today. In the early versions the phrases "I saw" and "I was shown" appear page after page right through the book. Those phrases were deleted later when selling the book to non-SDA market to avoid raising issue of her as prophet....church statements,,,not mine
@BuckLakeBoy The next one: "When writing these precious books, if I hesitated, the very word I wanted to express the idea was given me." Have you never once wrote an exposition for sermon or sharing or school essay and you seem stuck, when u pray for wisdom and then a phrase comes to mind? I have. It turned out to be a phrase from some other book I read long ago. But does that lessen at all the fact that the Holy Spirit did give the words to me? No.
@iMattCi89 Not impying rich by royalties. Only that she knew full well about the use of quotation once declaring, I use are my own unless provided by an Angel which she would include with marks of quotation to show where the angel left off and she began again. That she knew full well the importance of copyrighting her works to claim royalties for herself. She was not ignorant regarding these matters and even if not fully clear on them, had literary asst's who were.
@BuckLakeBoy But like I stated, she was telling the truth. The GreatC for ex. After the first publication, it was reprinted as a documentary. But when she wrote describing the vision itself, it was her own writing. The change to documentary made it no longer about her describing the vision, but about putting it in a historical context. Once that change happened, it was no longer just her words, but historians' and other sources to help piece it together.
@iMattCi89 (1)"Actually we have no way of knowing how many sources are represented in Ellen White's work on the life of Christ. In addition to the remaining 72 chapters of the DA text, there are two other books to review: Thoughts From the Mount of Blessing and Christ's Object Lessons. These 23 writers are sufficient, however, to answer the questions so many have asked: From what writers did Ellen White borrow? What kinds of books were they writing"? D of A project, Veltman, Ministry Mag Dec. 90
@iMattCi89 (2) "One obviously fictional account is Ingraham's The Prince of the House of David, a work that Albert Schweitzer referred to as one of the "edifying romances on the life of Jesus intended for family reading. Ingraham cast his work as a collection of letters written by an eyewitness in Palestine to her father in Egypt". Veltman report cont.
@iMattCi89 (3) "Question: How do you harmonize Ellen White's use of sources with her statements to the contrary? Veltman: I must admit at the start that in my judgment this is the most serious problem to be faced in connection with Ellen White's literary dependence [copying]. It strikes at the heart of her honesty, her integrity, and therefore her trustworthiness. As of now I do not have--nor, to my knowledge, does anyone else have--a satisfactory answer to this important question". Veltman
@iMattCi89 Robert Olson, then secretary of the White Estate was asked by Ministry magazine if he was satisfied with Veltman's research:
"I am totally satisfied with this study. No one could have done a better job--no one. He [Veltman] did it as a neutral person would have and not as an apologist." (Ministry, Dec. 1990, p. 16)
@BuckLakeBoy I read the whole article. And I have to thank you for it. It's actually helped me realize better that she was inspired. :) Quoting phrases out of "christian fiction" and employing them as facts. And if I did live in her time and wrote something like DA, I most definitely wouldn't reference them at the back. Think about it; She was writing some portions of the fiction as fact. If she referenced, ppl might assume her source as authoritative source of truth as well.
@BuckLakeBoy It's only in the past century that rules on copying phrases demanded credit more strictly. But if they weren't, imagine how much damage would have been done to DA, for example. The book would be viewed as fiction as well if I credited authoritatively the phrases from fiction. I would do exactly what Ellen did. Only quote them as ready-statements, but not as authoritative place to find truth. Gotta think of the bigger picture
@iMattCi89 " I would do exactly what Ellen did. Only quote them as ready-statements" But she didn't quote them, fiction or otherwise. And you have no problem that the GC endorsed the D of A report stating that in writing on the life of Christ our saviour, she took FICTIONAL literature and wrote it as FACT coming from a supposed "inspired prophet". From this last statment of yours I rest my case: SDA church is a CULT with members who will wrestle truth to the ground to protect the CULT leader.
@BuckLakeBoy Do you believe that the Holy Spirit cannot speak through fiction? What about Pilgrim's Progress? Ellen's mentality was not to be a stumbling block to fellow believers. In describing certain scenes, fiction has the tendency to make it more flowery and attractive than it really is. Ellen, wanting to paint a picture of God's perfect love, may have been impressed to use those fictional phrases b/c they had more punch. But is fiction where we can go to get truth?
@BuckLakeBoy No, we can't get it from fiction. At best it's mingled with misleading and fabricated accounts. Ellen didn't want fellow believers to stumble. To credit fiction would have been like endorsing it as a source of truth. But at the same time, fiction is the best at making accounts more vivid; seem larger than life. But if you find this troubling, consider: Jude quoted from Enoch, a book of dubious origin, and used it to tell truth. Does it make it any less true?
@BuckLakeBoy "When writing these precious books, if I hesitated, the very word I wanted to express the idea was given me" To me it also isn't an issue at all! Do you believe the writings she paralleled ("plagiarized" u say) were written under illumination by the Holy Ghost? If so, the Holy Ghost gave her the words she read to portray what needed to be said. If those books by others were guided by the Holy Spirit, why wouldn't He tell Ellen White to write the same if they were effective?
@BuckLakeBoy "When writing these precious books, if I hesitated, the very word I wanted to express the idea was given me" To me it also isn't an issue at all! Do you believe the writings she paralleled ("plagiarized" u say) were written under illumination by the Holy Ghost? If so, the Holy Ghost gave her the words she read to portray what needed to be said. If those books by others were guided by the Holy Spirit, why wouldn't He tell Ellen White to write the same if they were effective?
I believe in obedience to the 10 Commandments and I am a Sabbath keeper - but I don't believe like the SDA that my obedience contributes to me GETTING saved [Justification], STAYING saved [sanctification]. If you read Galatians 4:21 and then Gal 3:1-3 with an open mind you will see that the FALSE GOSPEL that Paul opposed so vehemently was this: You initially get saved by faith in Jesus PLUS my own efforts. Jesus PLUS anything else to get saved or stay saved is the legalism of the SDA today.
@The1Antonio1 What a hasty tongue... listen to this. Fundamental #19, Law of God: "Salvation is all of grace and not of works, but its fruitage is obedience to the Commandments." Do you love Jesus? If you love Jesus, you would keep His Commandments (Jn 14:15). If you say you love Him, but don't keep His Commandments, it is a pretense profession of faith (1 Jn 2:4 / Jas 2:14). And yet neither does keeping them save you because doing it to be saved is useless (Rom 3:28)
1. You are deluded if you think that because you walk into an SDA building every Saturday morning that you are now a perfect and sinless Commandment keeper. You are a SINNER and you BREAK God's Commandments.
2. If you really loved Jesus you would embrace Him as your 100% Saviour,not part Saviour as you do now. You believe Jesus partly saves you and your own Sabbath keeping saves you.
3. Renounce legalism before its too late!!! Come to Christ!
1. It's unfortunate you think so, because I've never done that. I've never walked to church thinking that observing Sabbath makes me perfect and sinless. God is my witness; I make no pretense on that. You may have been extensively exposed to professed SDAs that think like that. But I tell you, they are in more danger of being lost than an atheist.
2. I keep Sabbath because I believe I'm saved.
3. If you actually read what I wrote, you'd know I oppose legalism.
@iMattCi89 You are a liar and I can prove it with 1 question which you will avoid giving a direct answer because you know your answer will expose you as a liar and being legalistic.
My question for you is:
If you stopped attending SDA Church Service every Saturday morning for the rest of your life, can you still be saved in the end and avoid the mark of the beast?
Yes or No?
Secondly, Are you saying you perfectly keep the Sabbath Commandment and never sin?
@The1Antonio1 that's a smokescreen, blocking from view the real issue. Your question distracts from view the real reason why God's ppl in the last days will keep the Sabbath and are identified in that way. They are the only ones who take the undiluted Gospel. "Repent and be baptized; be converted! For the old has passed, the new has come!" But what is the identifying marker of such a ppl? (1Jn 2:3 NASB ) "By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments."
Adventists have rejected the true gospel of grace. Instead they believe they are saved by personal Sabbath keeping. And this can easily be proven.. Approach any Adventist and ask them this:
"If you stopped attending Church service every Sabbath for the rest of your life, will you still be saved by faith in Jesus Christ?"
They will begin to twitch, get upset and defensive and their answer will be "Hmm not sure" OR "No! Only SDA Sabbath keepers will be saved and avoid the mark of the beast"
@The1Antonio1 Geesh, dude your question is so retarded.
Why would you ask a Seventh Day Adventist such a question? When you know how dear we hold the Sabbath which is the Seventh day. We see the Seventh day as a covenant between God and us and how we recognize his grace and beauty in his works of creation, and just like how he rested on the Sabbath he wants us to rest on that special day to specifically reflect on our relationship with God.
Did Dr. Walter Martin wear a wig?
limerick121 1 day ago
I bind you 240p in Jesus name.
OldSkoolPunches 1 month ago
Biblecreationist: keep in mind Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them." so are you keeping the whole law? All 613 concepts of it? Let it go then you should be under grace. Sda church is a cult.
mamainmancj 2 months ago
The funny thing is that nobody would watch a show like this anymore because most people don't believe anything very specific. They're all Christmas time Christians.
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AWHNNOH 2 months ago
and about you saying hell isint eternal ovcourse it is God is eternal and he created us in his image didint he?? what would be the point of judgement if people are all ready dead why raise them to life just to kill them again?? our soul endures for ever wake up God is agry at the wicked everyday we must hide in the rock of jesus christ! remember jesus constantly stressed about hell and were the worm never dies and the fire never goes out. read the bible mate (nkjv)
mamainmancj 5 months ago
we cant uphold the law were all guilty which is why we rely on jesus for righteousness. once we truly repent and do that the holy spirit will come and live in us and then the baring good fruit comes in natrully like a duck natrully quaks. remember the theif on the cross he never once kept the sabbath and he said to jesus remember me when you pass into your kingdom and jesus said today you will be with me in paridise. sda is a sneaky strict cult and need to be set free. God bless
mamainmancj 5 months ago
Questions on Doctrine is known by Seventh-day Adventists to have MISREPRESENTED the beliefs of the church. Leroy Froom was completely DISHONEST about what Adventists really believe so that the Adventist church wouldn't be classified as a cult.
I am doing a series of videos EXPOSING what the Adventists ACTUALLY believe. And it's NOT what's in Questions on Doctrine.
OurSword 5 months ago
I wish pastor Doug Batchelor could have been talking with Walter Martin instead. Or Eugene Prewitt maybe. Or Randy Skeete.
OurSword 5 months ago
just put it this way if ellen g white is correct then we dont have to go to hell and no big loss but if us true born again christains who rely souly on jesus christ as saviour then use go to hell forever?? comon 7th day adventists its not worth it ellen g white is a trick of the devil!!!!!!!!!!!
mamainmancj 6 months ago
@mamainmancj If I understand your argument correctly, the fact that mainstream Christianity has a God who punishes eternally rather than simply destroying them, that means it is right. That is absurd, There is a HUGE loss, not getting to spend eternity with our loving creator. I don't need the threat of eternal punsihment to make me choose Jesus as my savoir. We are born again Christians too, who are you to Judge my salvation? We also rely on Jesus as our Savoiur, but we don't throw out Gods law
BibleCreationist 5 months ago
@BibleCreationist ok contridictions such as use wont eat pork and have a certain diet and very strick about the sabbath. read colossains 2:16 in the bible that will deal with that. and now if you open your BIBLE read ephesains 2:8-9 for by grace are we saved through faith and not of works lest ne man should boast. now use are still relying on ure works. wake up call were all sinners the bible says if you break the law at one point your guilty of breaking it all.
mamainmancj 5 months ago
@mamainmancj We don't believe we are saved by works. does that mean we shouldn't follow God's law? Rom 6:15 "What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid." We don't eat those things for heath reasons, the same reason God gave those in leviticus. Colosians 2:16 doesn't invalidate the Sabbath. It says not to let them judge you in regard, though it could speak of the judgers saying not to. Also that may very well be the yearly Sabbaths.
BibleCreationist 5 months ago
we dont do good works in order to be saved not 2 mention use are contridicting the holy scriptures and doin faulse good works. good works come with jesus when you repent and trust in only him its called being born again and becoming a new creation in christ. you see a real christain will do good and loving works because he is saved not to get saved. im prayin for you guys to get set free from all ellen g whites lies. she is a wicked woman. luv yas!!!!
mamainmancj 6 months ago
7th day adventist aint christain its a faulse prophet orginization and shud be shut down come on guys repent and trust in jesus thats all thats needed the rest comes natrully like a duck quaks. ellen g white is full or contridictions and she is a serpent. wouldent surprize me if shes a demon manifeasted in the fleash. pray to jesus and ask for absolute truth. the truth will set you free from all that hard nosed religon. good works cant save you otherwise what was the point in jesus?
mamainmancj 6 months ago
@mamainmancj Who said good works saved you? Read SDA stuff before you comment, we believe it is a consequence of our salvation, not the cause. Mat 7:16 "Ye shall know them by thier fruits" If we are to see who a person's allegience is with, then we know by thier actions. The byproduct of the holy spririt obviosly couldn't save us, but If we are alligned with Christ then we should do good works. Also what contradictions do you speak of? lol demon manifested in flesh, read one of her books first.
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AWHNNOH 7 months ago
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God loves us so much He gave His Son, not to condemn, but to save. Whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life Glory of the gospel! Jesus took our place Gift of God This is true for u, long as u don’t reject it Light has come into the world, but men love the darkness instead of the light bc there deeds were evil. Evil hates the light & will not come to the light, for fear there deeds will be exposed. So my friends come to the light! Believing Receiving same thing
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God loves us so much He gave His Son, not to condemn, but to save. Whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life Glory of the gospel! Jesus took our place Gift of God This is true for u, long as u don’t reject it Light has come into the world, but men love the darkness instead of the light bc there deeds were evil. Evil hates the light & will not come to the light, for fear there deeds will be exposed. So my friends come to the light! Believing Receiving same thing
game11221 10 months ago
Well, this sums it up. They believe (like JW's) that Jesus is Michael the Arch Angel. That is a different Jesus and no doubt that different Jesus comes from a different gospel that has different doctrine than the Biblical Jesus and his Apostles taught. Therefore, SDA's are a psuedo christian cult. Not Christian. Paul wrote that if anyone preach a different gospel than what was established from in the beginning let them be anathema (cursed).
KakkoiGuy1 10 months ago
@KakkoiGuy1
Preaching a different Jesus is the difference between life and death. It's scary to think about really, as Jesus said unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.
Myhopeisinhim 8 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim I agree. completely.
KakkoiGuy1 8 months ago
Being an SdA from brith and having been involved in other churches; I have to say that the Sabbath does not save. However if Jesus were living presently would we still keep it. The fact is he transcended all religious boxes we all come up with. Do you love your Adventist neighbor as yourself? What about Your Jewish neighbor?
I'm an Adventist, but God himself is not a Religious square. So, do you love him with all your might? Here's a question is adultery done away with? I know it's still v
tokonboh29 10 months ago
@tokonboh29
I like the way Paul was. If he was with the jews, he did as they did so that he would have the opportunity to speak with them about Jesus. When with the gentiles, he lived as they did, apart from the law, yet not without the law of Christ. When with the gentiles, he never kept the feasts, but he did while with the jews.
He taught that we should be careful that we don't cause another to stumble in their walk. If someone feels that its wrong to eat something, we shouldn't do it in..
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
front of them for if they believed it was wrong and we cause them to do it, then they sinneth unto themselves. Mostly that we should respect the faith of those who have doubts on what they should or shouldn't do. It's not the action of these commands that save us or don't save us so they really are not important to argue over or to force people into doing or not doing.
But there is a few things that do matter and that is loving others:) and belief in Jesus<---those are what matters
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
If I lived in a town where the christians only gathered on Saturday, I wouldn't argue and push them to meet on Sunday. If the meet on Sunday, I wouldn't push or force them to meet on Saturday. it's simply not important, what is important is that they are gathering and praising the Lord and using that time to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Now if they were to teach something erroneous, such as, you have to go on saturday or you won't be saved. I wouldn't step foot in because to step in....
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
would be to endorse their teaching, just as Paul wouldn't circumcise someone because of this very same reason, yet, he circumcised another when it was for the benefit of those they would be speaking to.
Numerous doctrines don't pertain to salvation and have no bearing on whether one would be saved if they kept or didn't keep them. But by all means if someone adds a doctrine to salvation that doesn't belong, speak up!
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Its true what you say. How about this correction. Jesus is living. The commandments are still valid and applicable. Jesus kept the commandments. When After people get married in most culture they go away to be together. Jesus created Mankind on Friday evening, and rested from his work on Saturday. We know this because Jesus was called from the grave Sunday. The law does not save, but Jesus does. Here is one. The Thief whom Jesus promised would be in paradise with him
tokonboh29 7 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim did he keep the commandments? probably not, yet Jesus died and rested as he has always done. He got up and started again on Sunday as he did in the beginning of time.We are still charged to not kill and to not steal. Gods law is still valid, and we should not force it on each other. Its a choice just as Adam and Eve chose to eat of the fruit. They had free will, but were commanded not to eat that fruit.
tokonboh29 7 months ago
@tokonboh29
So you believe that on the eighth day God got back up and started creating the world over again?
Myhopeisinhim 7 months ago
i hear "if it's not adventist it's of the devil"?!?!?
722erodz 11 months ago
sda or christianity??? this is B.S.!!! there is no such thing as a christian religion!!!
722erodz 11 months ago
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When our Lord died as our representative, He took our place. In my place He stood, sealed me with His blood Justified is the open door to the temple beautiful He became what He was not, so I could become what I am not. It is not a matter of who you are, but who's you are, the devils or Christ's
Sins of yesterday, today, and tomorrow, I am in Him by faith! I have been crucified with Him, I have been buried with Him (Rom 6:4) I have been raised with him(Col 3:1)
Can I get an Amen
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When our Lord died as our representative, He took our place. In my place He stood, sealed me with His blood Justified is the open door to the temple beautiful He became what He was not, so I could become what I am not. It is not a matter of who you are, but who's you are, the devils or Christ's
Sins of yesterday, today, and tomorrow, I am in Him by faith! I have been crucified with Him, I have been buried with Him (Rom 6:4) I have been raised with him(Col 3:1)
Can I get an Amen
game11221 1 year ago
Interesting, it seems Ankerberg thinks every Christian denomination is not Christian besides that to which he belongs as EVERY show is (Christian denomination) vs Christianity. You'll also note he's often a combatant.....
AkhilleusWeeps 1 year ago
Fact is satan hates adventists more than any other christian group on the planet, and there is a reason for this.
antiazazel 1 year ago
SDA Christology during the 1970's Those embraced the Protestant Gospel, like Ford, correctly supported the position that Jesus took the nature of Adam BEFORE the fall
Some still hold to had a human nature after the fall of Adam.
But those that understood the fundamentals of Protestantism protested this false and twisted theology that repudiated Historic Adventism and the Gospe
SDA today refuses to take a position or settle the issue.
game11221 1 year ago
@game11221 Although the perfectionists won the debate in 1980, (by dishonesty and force) at Glacier View, causing a purge as well as the start of a great schism, the leaders have since backpedaled and embraced Dr. Ford's view, without wanting to admit it. So in an attempt to avoid taking responsibility for their errors and repenting, they have shifted to a pluralistic policy, which allows for both views to be held within the church.
game11221 1 year ago
The Seventh Day Adventist Church is a CULT!
OneFaithMinistries 1 year ago
@OneFaithMinistries How so?
HighOnPaint 1 year ago
@HighOnPaint While they may believe in the trinity and so forth, the SDA Church believes themselves to be a remnant Church, separating themselves from all other churches. That makes them a cult. We could get into their other doctrines, but I will not get into that.
OneFaithMinistries 1 year ago
@OneFaithMinistries Interesting. Misunderstood, but interesting. So you've decided to dismiss an entire denomination as false solely based on your biased personal opinion that it is a "cult"? Could you expound?
HighOnPaint 1 year ago
@HighOnPaint I have been to an SDA Church and I know what they teach. Yes, I am going to dismiss the entire denomination because they are not Christians. I can tell that you are an SDA. That being said, I am not going to debate doctrine with you. Good Day.
OneFaithMinistries 1 year ago
@OneFaithMinistries You sure are a funny person. That's fine if you don't want to "debate", but if you are not going to provide a backup for your statements, please don't even bother making them. It is unscientific, immature, and shows blatant flaws in your way of thinking. Let me guess, you're Catholic.
HighOnPaint 1 year ago
@HighOnPaint No, not Catholic. Catholics are not Christians. Good Day.
OneFaithMinistries 1 year ago
@OneFaithMinistries lol, you are an idiot.
TheMedievalMan 1 year ago
@OneFa
When our Lord died as our representative, He took our place. In my place He stood, sealed me with His blood Justified is the open door to the temple beautiful He became what He was not, so I could become what I am not. It is not a matter of who you are, but who's you are, the devils or Christ's
Sins of yesterday, today, and tomorrow, I am in Him by faith! I have been crucified with Him, I have been buried with Him (Rom 6:4) I have been raised with him(Col 3:1)
Can I get an Amen
game11221 1 year ago
@game11221 AMEN
KnoxKnowsBest 11 months ago
Why do they take scripture out of context and say if your sabbath is a Sunday and not Saturday, you have tooken the mark of the beast? SDA is a cult.
eptx1983 1 year ago
WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS NOT TRUTH, YOU ARE TAKING A WORD HERE AND THERE OUT OF CONTEST,,,I'LL TELL WHAT ,,I'LL SEE YOU WHEN HE COMES, WILL SHOULD SEE,,I REST MY CASE.
joeplacetas1 1 year ago
they both have the trinitarian doctrine
mark4christ 1 year ago
I am an adventist back then my ministers told us that we will be the only people, member of the adventist, to enter the Kingdom of God. Of course that's not true.
minescore 1 year ago
BEFORE I GO EVEN THE EXPRESSION OF YOUR FACE WHEN THE ADVENTIST BROTHER TALKS, IT SEEMS THAT YOU ARE NOT EVEN HEARING HIM,,WHAT A LOCK OF RESPECT,,YOU DONT HAVE JESUS IN YOUR LIFE,,IM TALKING TO YOU SO CALL DOCTOR SITTING NEXT TO THE ADVENTIST BROTHER, YOUR INTENTIONS ARE PURE,,REMEMBER THIS DAY ON THE SHOW,,,WHEN HE COMES,,YOU WILL REMEMBER,IF YOU READ THIS,YOU WILL PROBABLE HAVE THE SAME SMURK FACE US YOU DID WHEN EVER THE BROTHER SPEAKS, REPENT,THE TIME OF HIS JUDGEMENT HAS COME.
joeplacetas1 1 year ago
@joeplacetas1 Shall we even get into the whole "Jesus is Michael" heresy SDA preaches?
hughdiock 1 year ago
LIKE I WAS SAYING WHICH I DID NOT FINISH DO TO SPACE, YOU WILL NEVER AGREE WITH US, BECAUSE YOU REFUSE TO OBEY GOD AND KEEP GODS COMMANDS, THATS THE REASON WHY YOU THINK THE WAY YOU DO SPEAK AND EXPRESS ABOUT SISTER WHITE AND THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH,,CHALLENGE ME,,I BEG YOU BUT ON YOUR TV SHOW, IM NO PASTOR NEITHER I GO EVERY SABBATH TO CHURCH, I WILL CHALLENGE YOU IN EVERY POINT FROM THE BIBLE IN REFERENCE TO SISTER WHITE.
joeplacetas1 1 year ago
@joeplacetas1 So when Ellen G White denies the divinity of Jesus.....that's Biblical?????
hughdiock 1 year ago
@hughdiock YOU DID NOT RED THE CONTEXT, SHE EXALTED JESUS, I WILL NO REPLY TO YOU AGAIN UNTIL YOU HAVE SOME THING POSITIVE TO SAY ABOUT ELLEN G. WHITE..JUST TELL ME SOME THING POSITIVE,,ALL YOU ARE DOING AMONG THOUSANDS OF PAGES TAKING A TEXT OUT CONTEST AND MAKING AS IF SISTER WHITE WAS NOT A TRUE SERVANT OF GOD.
joeplacetas1 1 year ago
@joeplacetas1 I have NOTHING positive to say about a false prophet!!!! Why would I? I have taken NOTHING out of context. Ellen White denied the divinity of Christ (she later reputiated that belief, but still preached it nonetheless). Ellen White and the entire LDS church believe that Jesus is Michael. Am I making this up?
hughdiock 1 year ago
@joeplacetas1 Based on the Biblical definition of false prophet, She fit's it perfectly
hughdiock 1 year ago
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Old "antychrist" Monroe talking lies about sect of 7th day adventists and how we supposted to have mass on Saturday only! Wrong, it`s Sunday like apostoles had
"...And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow;and continued his speech until midnight." Acts 20,6-7
JezusSlave 1 year ago
@Empowered Mormons, Shriners, Kiwanis Club, Elks Lodge and Lions Club and dozens of organizations do charitable works; Shriners fund hospitals...that doesn't make them Apostolic Christians who believe in salvation full and free by the Grace of God as spelled out in the New Testament. After 40 years of preaching salvation by Law, EGW accepted righteousness by faith somewhat, and it cost her a decade of exile in Australia..read her 1888 materials on EGW website to verify in her own words.
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
Ellen G White + Adventists teach that Satan is needed at the end to complete the final and full payment for all our sins. All the sin of the world MUST be placed on Satan at the end for the completion of atonement. Adventists also believe they will be lost and receive the Mark of the Beast if they stopped attending SDA Sabbath Church Service. In reality, Adventists have 3 Saviors. Jesus + Themselves + Satan. As for me, I only have 1 Savior, Jesus Christ my Lord and sole Saviour.
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
@The1Antonio1 Right! They say that all confessed sins reside in the heavenly sanctuary and Jesus cannot come till it's cleansed. BUT they teach Jesus will come, the sanctuary will be cleansed of all sins, and they will reign in heaven 1000 years before the wicked and Satan are judged. If the sins are laid on Satan (scapegoat) at the end of the 1000 years, where ARE they (sins) during that 1000 year period before they are laid upon Satan? Does not compute!
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
Adventists have this delusion that just because they get out of bed every Sabbath, get dressed up in a suit or dress, attend a building with other Adventists, sing a song or two, tithe, gossip a bit about each other, hear a sermon, and go home, that magically they are now perfect Sabbath and Law keepers and saved by God based on their weekly Sabbath works! They are deceived with legalism and in reality they have 2 Saviors, part Jesus and part themselves and their own Sabbath keeping!
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
@The1Antonio1 I am an Adventist who is trying to find truth. So far I believe our doctrine but I'm trying to study more to confirm them and I am willing to change whatever believe I may hold that is inaccurate with the bible. BUT, the way your talking about Adventists is ridiculous. First of all, you don't know all Adventists so you can't honestly say that all Adventists think the way you say they do. Some think this way that you described, but hypocrites are in every church. Join the club.
punch2face 1 year ago
@punch2face I was a member of the SDA for 12 years so your comments are in error and false accusations.
Secondly, if you knew everything EGW taught and everything EGW got wrong, you would also leave the SDA cult which is influenced and led by demons, not God.
They teach a false gospel and false doctrines that cause people to be deceived.
I know what I am talking about, I was a member of this cult for over 10 years.
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
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punch2face 1 year ago
@The1Antonio1 And second, your accusations are being refuted by other adventists so we are not defenseless. I have studied our doctrine and so far I agree with them. If I come to a legitimate disagreement then in Jesus' name ill be free. Until then I agree with them because we preach salvation by grace alone.
punch2face 1 year ago
"I was a member of the SDA for 12 years so your comments are in error and false accusations."
So by this you mean to say that you in fact know ALL Adventists on earth thus you are right when you say that every Adventist thinks the way you say they do?
You must be God then.. I am not bothered by you being in disagreement with Adventist doctrine. What bothers me is that you accuse all adventists of being the same way when you don't know us all. Thus, your comment is inaccurate.
punch2face 1 year ago
@The1Antonio1 Basically, faith is active. and it prompts certain actions. Through faith in God you realize how great the gift we have been given. Just to know God, you cant help but love Him. He clearly says if you love me keep my commandments. So its out of love i do what i do. Since we have the free gift, should i just sin? Paul says 'God forbid' read on in Romans chapter 6. And Mr. Antonio, i applaud you. Continue to ask questions and i will continue to pray for all of our understanding
yorkchiman 1 year ago
@yorkchiman Are you keeping God's 10 Commandments perfectly today and never sin? Yes or No?
Matthew 5:37 Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and? your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
If Yes, then are you seriously claiming you have reached perfectionism and now never ever sin anymore? If No, then do you admit you are a 10 Commandment breaker?
And remember what James said,stumble in one point you guilty of breaking the whole LAW!
So which is it? You sinner or sinless?
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
@yorkchiman If you are SDA, then you have NOT read your doctrinal beliefs on the plan of salvation very well! SDA's teach that we are Justified by faith apart from the Law, but for Sanctification we must be put immediately back under the Law which the NT says was in place to lead us until Christ came. He came already! It fulfilled it's mission! We now have new laws aside from the essential one of Love. Believe on Jesus, get baptized, go ye into all the world, do this in remembrance of me etc.
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
I was a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Denomination for 12 years but I have now resigned my membership because I came to understand and realise that I am saved by faith and grace alone, not by works or personal Sabbath keeping that the SDA teach. I teach the gospel of justification,sanctification and righteousness by faith alone. But now most Adventists abuse me and call me a child of Satan. Once I came out of Babylon/SDA I am set free in the grace and righteousness of Christ. Praise Jesus!
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
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BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
end: (also realize that being in church alone does not equal keeping the sabbath holy..its a day where you but all other cares away and spend quality time with the Lord. Exodus 20:8-11 and Isiah 58:13), and since i love Him, i do it to the best of my ability. If anymore questions i will try to check back and answer. I hope i was able to clarify.
yorkchiman 1 year ago
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BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
Contd :only through the acceptance of Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Now that we have covered that, we understand that the keeping of the commandments isnt what saves you because we are no longer under the law because of Grace (read romans 6:14-18 with special attention to 16-18) thank God. But in addition bible says in Jon 14:15, if you love me keep my commandments. I dont go to church every sabbath because its what saves me, i go because on of God's commandments was to keep the sabbath Holy
yorkchiman 1 year ago
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BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
To understand Martin & ref's to Questions on Doctrine in this OLD video, the book was reprinted with additional material notes etc. AN SDA Q.O.D. Conference was held in '97 and the real truth about the book is told. Free mp3 files of the Conf. speakers are online; google "Andrews University Questions on Doctrine" and select download tabs. MOST important talks are by George Knight & Herbert Douglass. The abberant SDA view on salvation is spelled out in crystal clear terms as is nature of Jesus
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@BuckLakeBoy Date correction='07 not '97 for QOD Conference
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
Q for Adventists: If you stop attending SDA Church service on the Sabbath for the rest of your life,will you still be saved by faith in Jesus? Yes or No?
Your answer will prove either way, if you are double talking and under legalism, or if you truly believe you are saved by faith alone. Because if you believe you will be lost if you stop attending SDA Church every Sabbath, then you do not believe in salvation by faith alone at all. You believe in salvation by faith + your own Sabbath keeping.
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
@The1Antonio1 - I am an Adventist. In talking about faith, The bible says faith without works is dead (James 2:14-26) My faith is built on the Belief and trust in God and the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ His son. The bible says all has sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God (Romans 3:23) there is no man thats prefect, not one. If you continue to read the chapter, you see the purpose of this scripture is to realize that you are saved
yorkchiman 1 year ago
@yorkchiman What works is James talking about exactly? Tell me.
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
@yorkchiman I will prove that you are lying with a simple question:
Do you believe you will still be saved by faith in Jesus and avoid the future Mark of the Beast if you were to permanently stop meeting Adventists every Saturday morning to sing a few songs, tithe, hear a sermon and go home?
Yes or? No?
Your answer will prove that you are lying because you believe you will be lost and will receive the Mark of the Beast if you stopped attending SDA Church Service every Saturday.
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
Are you keeping God's 10 Commandments perfectly today and never sin? Yes or No?
Matthew 5:37 Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and? your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
If Yes, then are you seriously claiming you have reached perfectionism and now never ever sin anymore? If No, then do you admit you are a 10 Commandment breaker?
And remember what James said,stumble in one point you guilty of breaking the whole LAW!
So which is it? You sinner or sinless?
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
You are deluded! You believe because you attend SDA Church Service every Saturday morning, sing a few songs, pay your tithe, hear a sermon and go home.. that by some miracle, you are now a perfect 10 Commandment keeper. Well I have news for you,you are NOT a sinless and perfect 10 Commandment keeper! Just because you weekly attend SDA Church service, don't make you one. You are a sinner and James says you are a Sabbath and Commandment breaker. Break one commandment, you break them all!
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
..."Then he (satanic High Priest) said, 'Now, my next statement is going to upset some of you, but what I’m telling you is the honest truth, it’s factual and it’s reality. The fact that the Adventists observe the Biblical Sabbath of creation and reverence the Creator on that day makes it impossible for the spirits to deceive them. They are given very special help and great spiritual insight. Under these conditions they
are not ordinary people.”-Roger Morneu, "Trip Into the Supernatural"
selious04 1 year ago
I'm not into denominations but I know that God said to keep the 7th day, Saturday (Sabbath) holy.
"The High priest also mentioned the fact that while Lucifer has chosen Sunday as his holy day, the Creator has chosen the Seventh day of the week. It was Lucifer who influenced calling his first day of the week, the sacred day of sun
worship, “Sunday”. He explained that the 'Venerable Day of the Sun' has always been a terrible irritant to the Creator" -Roger Morneau, Former Spirit Worshiper
selious04 1 year ago
If you are one who believes Ellen White (Gould) was a prophet then you have to believe that you are NOT one of the Remnant. In her own words, Ellen G. White taught that there was no more salvation for sinners after Oct. 22, 1844. That would include present-day Adventists. Your own cult religion has pegged you as one of the damned.
cannonballs36 1 year ago
@cannonballs36 She didn't. Have you actually read all of her writings on the matter?
iMattCi89 1 year ago
ATTENTION Adventists: Are you a perfect Sabbath keeper? Yes or No?
If Yes, then do you claim you are actually perfectly keeping the Sabbath Commandment without flaw at all?
And do you then claim you keep the whole 10 Commandments perfectly and that you are now sinless, because James said if you break 1 point you break the whole law! So you would need to be a perfect 10 Commandment keeper to be classified as a Perfect Sabbath Keeper.
If your answer is No,then you admit you are a Sabbath breaker?
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
Adventists have rejected the true gospel of grace. Instead they believe they are saved by personal Sabbath keeping. And this can easily be proven.. Approach any Adventist and ask them this:
"If you stopped attending Church service every Sabbath for the rest of your life, will you still be saved by faith in Jesus Christ?"
They will begin to twitch, get upset and defensive and their answer will be "Hmm not sure" OR "No! Only SDA Sabbath keepers will be saved and avoid the mark of the beast"
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
@The1Antonio1 Brother Antonio, I have said to you the true gospel. Why do you still post this? Where is the cry of repentance and reformation of lives? You distract from the big picture. The Sabbath issue must only be viewed in the big picture. Why have you ignored what Paul and John wrote? Why have you ignored the angel who guided John's vision in Revelation? I have not answered directly b/c your question is framed in the wrong context. Please, don't ignore Paul, John or the angel.
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@iMattCi89 You are a LIAR Matt.You have not taught the true Gospel and I can prove it!
If you stop attending SDA Church service on the Sabbath for the rest of your life,will you still be saved by faith in Jesus? Yes or No?
Your answer will prove if you are double talking and under legalism, or if you truly believe you are saved by faith alone. Because if you believe you will be lost if you stop attending SDA Church every Sabbath, then you do not believe in salvation by faith alone at all.
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
@The1Antonio1 As I have said, you distract from the true Gospel. Do you even love Jesus? Do you love Jesus? Do you know what true repentance and reformation is? You paint your question like a Pharisee would; giving only two choices when Christ showed a third. You get so hung up about faith that you forget that faith without love is useless. You don't teach the full Gospel. Do you love Jesus? Do you love Him?
iMattCi89 1 year ago
SDA teach the "Investigative Judgment" where they claim Jesus is in the heavenly Sanctuary today, blotting out their sins. But, how can there be any blotting out sins today or into the future when Jesus stopped bleeding at Calvary and has not bled since? Only by shedding Jesus' blood can there be forgiveness, Heb 9:22, yet Jesus stopped bleeding 2000 years ago and is not bleeding since. So how can sins be blotted out today? Ask Adventists these questions and they get angry and defensive!!
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
Adventists DO NOT believe in Imputed Righteousness i.e. Righteousness by faith. They believe in righteousness through Sabbath and Commandment keeping.
Ask an Adventist if? they stopped attending Church on Saturday mornings if they can still be saved. Their answer is NO! Ellen White was a false teacher who has placed Adventists under works/legalism. She said: "In order to let Jesus into our hearts, we must stop sinning." - {ST, March 3, 1890 par. 3}. Ironically she died a sinner.
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
SDA teach the "Investigative Judgment" where they claim Jesus is in the heavenly Sanctuary today, blotting out their sins. But, how can there be any blotting out sins today or into the future when Jesus stopped bleeding at Calvary and has not bled since? Only by shedding Jesus' blood can there be forgiveness, Heb 9:22, yet Jesus stopped bleeding 2000 years ago and is not bleeding since. So how can sins be blotted out today? Ask Adventists these questions and they get angry and defensive!!
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
" SDA teach the "Investigative Judgment" where they claim Jesus is in the heavenly Sanctuary today, blotting out their sins."
***Jesus is in the Most Holy place in the heavenly Sanctuary, but he is not blotting out our sins, He is praying for us! Praying to His Father that He was reveal Himself to us, so as His sacrificial sacrifice for the atonement of our sins, should not be in vain! He is interceding for us! ***
no Adventist ever said Jesus is blotting our sins in the sanctuary! !
Abramovick93 1 year ago
@Abramovick93 "While the investigative judgment is going forward in heaven, while the sins of penitent believers are being removed from the sanctuary, there is to be a special work of purification, of putting away of sin, among God's people upon earth". GREAT CONTROVERSY, PG. 426 [Note: present tense] EGW says some sins are already gone, and if the entire topic is studied she & SDA's claim multiple other things are happening at the same time.
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@Abramovick93 Things to ponder: EGW says in reference to heavenly sanctuary in SDA Bible Comm., "A New and Living way, before which hangs NO VEIL, is offered to all." She states as most non SDA's, that there is no veil in heaven...then how can Jesus have moved in 1844 (with pomp & CEREMONY through the inner veil and closed the holy place in heaven as she stated in one of her first visions when she was but a young girl.
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@The1Antonio1 " SDA teach the "Investigative Judgment" where they claim Jesus is in the heavenly Sanctuary today, blotting out their sins."
***Jesus is in the Most Holy place in the heavenly Sanctuary, but he is not blotting out our sins, He is praying for us! Praying to His Father that He was reveal Himself to us, so as His sacrificial sacrifice for the atonement of our sins, should not be in vain! He is interceding for us! ***
no Adventist said Jesus is blotting our sins in the sanctuary!
Abramovick93 1 year ago
@Abramovick93 "but he is not blotting out our sins, He is praying for us! " Not according to EGW: The heavenly sanctuary is being cleansed as as it was in OT. Jesus is performing HP function as on earth, when dead are judged, the living cases are decided and at any moment your case could be decided. If you sinned and did not repent while your case was in review, you can never be forgiven for the rest of your life...according to her.
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@Abramovick93 Things to ponder: SDA's claim all facets of OT sanctuary must mirror Christ's work in heaven. On Day of Atone. in O.T., High Priest had to make atonement for his own sins, & his family sins, before entering the Most Holy. Jesus had no personal sin to confess so this is not pattern of OT day of Atone. In Lev 16, Aaron makes Atone. for ALL of the Sanctuary before confessing sin on scapegoat who bears them into the wilderness alive, never to be killed!
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@Abramovick93 "The cleansing of the sanctuary therefore involves a work of investigation--a work of judgment". GC. Ch. 23. EGW claims this is going on since 1844. Investigation and judgement! However, her writings often contain several versions on certain doctrines if read sequentially from earliest to last writing.
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@The1Antonio1 " SDA teach the "Investigative Judgment" where they claim Jesus is in the heavenly Sanctuary today, blotting out their sins."
***Jesus is in the Most Holy place in the heavenly Sanctuary, but he is not blotting out our sins, He is praying for us! Praying to His Father that He was reveal Himself to us, so as His sacrificial sacrifice for the atonement of our sins, should not be in vain! He is interceding for us! ***
no Adventist Jesus is blotting our sins in the sanctuary!
Abramovick93 1 year ago
The Investigative Judgement, as taught in the fundamental SDA beliefs, is a concept that is not only foreign to the New Testament, it is contrary to the gospel which teaches that we pass from death to life the moment we put our faith in the Lord (John 5:24). When the High Priest went within the veil on the Day of Atonement, he ministered the atoning blood immediately. SDA have this wrong and they are in error. Their belief comes from Ellen White, NOT the Scriptures.
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"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" Revelation 12:17
Poplock009 1 year ago
SDA teach the "Investigative Judgment" where they claim Jesus is in the heavenly Sanctuary today, blotting out their sins.
But, how can there be any blotting out sins today or into the future when Jesus stopped bleeding at Calvary and has not bled since?
Only by shedding Jesus' blood can there be forgiveness, Heb 9:22, yet Jesus stopped bleeding 2000 years ago and is not bleeding since. So how can sins be blotted out today?
Ask Adventists these questions and they get angry and defensive!!
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
why go through the issues with "scholars" why not with GOD?
LeonRJordan 1 year ago
The Sabbath isn't about a particular day, but we have to stop being so carnal and realize the spiritual meaning behind the Sabbath. Jesus is our Sabbath day of rest. In Him we REST. He said, "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you REST." The Sabbath day of rest isn't sunday nor saturday, the Sabbath day of rest is JESUS! And we honor the Sabbath (Christ) everyday because we abide in CHRIST our SABBATH DAY of REST everyday!!!
Thia911 1 year ago
@Thia911 you should try reading your bible with the prayer asking GOD to open your mind to accept truth.....read from Genesis to Revelation carefully and you will better understand also you could read HEBREWS CAHP. 4...READ ENTIRE CHAPTER...
LeonRJordan 1 year ago
@LeonRJordan It is really sad that you told me to read the Bible and ask for truth when it is obvious that the chapter u quoted u did not study to understand what it really is saying. About Hebrews 4, if u would just take the time to actually STUDY it, you would understand that the only way we can enter into Sabbath rest is by going THROUGH JESUS! Why? because HE is our Sabbath day of rest! Pls do STUDY NOT READ STUDY Genesis to rev and u will see truth.
Thia911 1 year ago
@LeonRJordan Come unto me all who are weary and burdened, I shall give you REST (Matt: 11:28). He is our Sabbath, He is our place of REST. The people rested in the Sabbath day in the old covenant because it was a SHADOW or TYPE pointing to Christ. In the new covenant we see that shadow manifested as Jesus, the fullment of the law, now we rest in the real Sabbath day which is Jesus. If you want to believe what uve been taught over the Word that is fine, God bless you. :-)
Thia911 1 year ago
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Adventists have rejected the true gospel of grace. Instead they believe they are saved by personal Sabbath keeping. And this can easily be proven.. Approach any Adventist and ask them this:
"If you stopped attending Church service every Sabbath for the rest of your life, will you still be saved by faith in Jesus Christ?"
They will begin to twitch, get upset and defensive and their answer will be "Hmm not sure" OR "No! Only SDA Sabbath keepers will be saved and avoid the mark of the beast"
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
Happy Eternal 7th Day Sabbath Everyone*-*
jesusisonlyway 1 year ago
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BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@BuckLakeBoy as an ex-Adventist, what do you believe regarding the end times? Pre-trib? Post-trib? No rapture? is the catholic church the whore of babylon?
InDefenseofChrist 1 year ago
@InDefenseofChrist ...Question here regards SDA as cult which they are. The "prophet" EGW, is now known to have plagiarized her first vision, most of her Testimonies To The Church (9 Volumes) & all general books and articles. After returning fom Switzerland she described the scenery there in plagiarized text from Wylie. She couldn't even describe scenery without stealing the words of others. This is an old video, long before the extent of her plagiarism was admitted by EGW Estate.
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@BuckLakeBoy what source did you find ?
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@iMattCi89 Aventist Review, 1981, April 2, and July 29, 1982, by Ron Graybill Asst. Sec. EGW Estate. Two articles deal with plagiarized Testimonies For The Church and also includes their statement regarding use of Wylie text to describe the scenery she saw while in Zurich. This is only a starting point for admissions re: EGW. (Ministry Mag & much later editions of Review alone provide dozens of SDA authorized research articles along this line)
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@BuckLakeBoy sorry, but do you have sources from the AR from 1997 onwards? The ones you listed aren't available online
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@iMattCi89 Yes they are: 1981-04-02 and 1982-07-29 at the General Conference - Office of Archives & Statistics - Documents, NOT the Review's own website! G.C. online archive has almost every periodical ever published worldwide from 1850's onwards. Read Ministry & Review from 1 year prior to publication of The White Lie and see the frenzy of EGW articles since the GC knew Walter was going to publish & went into damage control mode. Also Australasian Record is quite revealing at the same time.
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
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BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@BuckLakeBoy I just finished looking over those 2 articles u mentioned. But I don't see anything that would shake my belief that she was inspired. Does Scripture say that a prophet is not a prophet if the vision uses imagery of something he/she saw in real life? Does Scripture say that a prophet is false if he/she writes down what he/she saw in vision using phrases other inspired ppl have written w/out always crediting them?
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@iMattCi89 "Although I am as dependent upon the Spirit of the Lord in writing my views as I am in receiving them, yet the words I employ in describing what I have seen are my own, unless they be those spoken to me by an angel, which I always enclose in remarks of quotation". --Review and Herald, Oct. 8, 1867.) {3SM 49.7}__"When writing these precious books, if I hesitated, the very word I wanted to express the idea was given me".--Letter 265, 1907. {3SM 51.7}
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@BuckLakeBoy :) you actually nailed it, though. Thing is, the prophets in Scripture had quite a bit of their visions shown using things which they had experienced (whether by reading, hearing, or seeing in real life). To me it isn't an issue ("the words I employ in describing what I have seen are my own") If it parallels what some other guy wrote, God could have used what she read to show her the vision.
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@iMattCi89 OT prophets from centuries B.C; what books did they read and incorporate into their visions? John used OT references in Revelation but he didn't claim otherwise and that is a test of a prophet..do they speak to the word of God and none of the above said quite distinctively that they did not copy as EGW did. She is being judged by HER OWN WORDS, not some loophole to excuse her rampant copying from other authors while claiming divine originality and also claiming royalties on her books
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@BuckLakeBoy "what books did they read and incorporate into their visions?" Perhaps you misread me. What I was saying is that the visions the prophets had were mostly shown using things they came across in their life, so they could grasp it. And as for NT prophets, one stands out like a sore thumb. Jude quotes the Book of Enoch, which isn't accepted as scripture. As for E.W saying she didn't copy, let's revisit what she said.
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@iMattCi89 You still avoid the issue by diversion! The bible writers did not make expansive claims that every word they wrote was their own or from vision. EGW DID many times! She even claimed not to read any denomination papers so that her mind would NOT be influenced by others ideas while she was reading other denomination material and incorporating that. Stick with what SHE claimed about HER writings, not what other people did or said.
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
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@BuckLakeBoy "EGW DID many times!" You've so far quoted two instances. Could you show me where else?
"She even claimed not to read any denomination papers.." Could you reference me those statements?
Thanks!
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@BuckLakeBoy Right after she said, "although I am ... yet the words I employ in describing what I have seen are my own", she said," As I wrote upon the subject of dress, the view .. revived in my mind as .. viewing them in vision..but I was left to describe the length ..in my own language as best I could."
Here, her earlier comment was referring to her describing her visions. GC, DA, etc. were not descriptions of her visions. Plus, in her comment, she was ref. to qns on the Health Reform Vision
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@iMattCi89 Then it would appear that you do not own original editions of her books such as GC and the various editions and changes it went through over the years before it ever ended up as the book published today. In the early versions the phrases "I saw" and "I was shown" appear page after page right through the book. Those phrases were deleted later when selling the book to non-SDA market to avoid raising issue of her as prophet....church statements,,,not mine
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@BuckLakeBoy Oh.. are you referring to "Early Writings" and "Spiritual Gifts"?
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@BuckLakeBoy The next one: "When writing these precious books, if I hesitated, the very word I wanted to express the idea was given me." Have you never once wrote an exposition for sermon or sharing or school essay and you seem stuck, when u pray for wisdom and then a phrase comes to mind? I have. It turned out to be a phrase from some other book I read long ago. But does that lessen at all the fact that the Holy Spirit did give the words to me? No.
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@BuckLakeBoy And as for claiming royalties, what are you suggesting? That she got rich off it?
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@iMattCi89 Not impying rich by royalties. Only that she knew full well about the use of quotation once declaring, I use are my own unless provided by an Angel which she would include with marks of quotation to show where the angel left off and she began again. That she knew full well the importance of copyrighting her works to claim royalties for herself. She was not ignorant regarding these matters and even if not fully clear on them, had literary asst's who were.
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@BuckLakeBoy But like I stated, she was telling the truth. The GreatC for ex. After the first publication, it was reprinted as a documentary. But when she wrote describing the vision itself, it was her own writing. The change to documentary made it no longer about her describing the vision, but about putting it in a historical context. Once that change happened, it was no longer just her words, but historians' and other sources to help piece it together.
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@iMattCi89 (1)"Actually we have no way of knowing how many sources are represented in Ellen White's work on the life of Christ. In addition to the remaining 72 chapters of the DA text, there are two other books to review: Thoughts From the Mount of Blessing and Christ's Object Lessons. These 23 writers are sufficient, however, to answer the questions so many have asked: From what writers did Ellen White borrow? What kinds of books were they writing"? D of A project, Veltman, Ministry Mag Dec. 90
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@iMattCi89 (2) "One obviously fictional account is Ingraham's The Prince of the House of David, a work that Albert Schweitzer referred to as one of the "edifying romances on the life of Jesus intended for family reading. Ingraham cast his work as a collection of letters written by an eyewitness in Palestine to her father in Egypt". Veltman report cont.
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@iMattCi89 (3) "Question: How do you harmonize Ellen White's use of sources with her statements to the contrary? Veltman: I must admit at the start that in my judgment this is the most serious problem to be faced in connection with Ellen White's literary dependence [copying]. It strikes at the heart of her honesty, her integrity, and therefore her trustworthiness. As of now I do not have--nor, to my knowledge, does anyone else have--a satisfactory answer to this important question". Veltman
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@iMattCi89 Robert Olson, then secretary of the White Estate was asked by Ministry magazine if he was satisfied with Veltman's research:
"I am totally satisfied with this study. No one could have done a better job--no one. He [Veltman] did it as a neutral person would have and not as an apologist." (Ministry, Dec. 1990, p. 16)
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@BuckLakeBoy I read the whole article. And I have to thank you for it. It's actually helped me realize better that she was inspired. :) Quoting phrases out of "christian fiction" and employing them as facts. And if I did live in her time and wrote something like DA, I most definitely wouldn't reference them at the back. Think about it; She was writing some portions of the fiction as fact. If she referenced, ppl might assume her source as authoritative source of truth as well.
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@BuckLakeBoy It's only in the past century that rules on copying phrases demanded credit more strictly. But if they weren't, imagine how much damage would have been done to DA, for example. The book would be viewed as fiction as well if I credited authoritatively the phrases from fiction. I would do exactly what Ellen did. Only quote them as ready-statements, but not as authoritative place to find truth. Gotta think of the bigger picture
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@iMattCi89 " I would do exactly what Ellen did. Only quote them as ready-statements" But she didn't quote them, fiction or otherwise. And you have no problem that the GC endorsed the D of A report stating that in writing on the life of Christ our saviour, she took FICTIONAL literature and wrote it as FACT coming from a supposed "inspired prophet". From this last statment of yours I rest my case: SDA church is a CULT with members who will wrestle truth to the ground to protect the CULT leader.
BuckLakeBoy 1 year ago
@BuckLakeBoy Do you believe that the Holy Spirit cannot speak through fiction? What about Pilgrim's Progress? Ellen's mentality was not to be a stumbling block to fellow believers. In describing certain scenes, fiction has the tendency to make it more flowery and attractive than it really is. Ellen, wanting to paint a picture of God's perfect love, may have been impressed to use those fictional phrases b/c they had more punch. But is fiction where we can go to get truth?
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@BuckLakeBoy No, we can't get it from fiction. At best it's mingled with misleading and fabricated accounts. Ellen didn't want fellow believers to stumble. To credit fiction would have been like endorsing it as a source of truth. But at the same time, fiction is the best at making accounts more vivid; seem larger than life. But if you find this troubling, consider: Jude quoted from Enoch, a book of dubious origin, and used it to tell truth. Does it make it any less true?
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@BuckLakeBoy "When writing these precious books, if I hesitated, the very word I wanted to express the idea was given me" To me it also isn't an issue at all! Do you believe the writings she paralleled ("plagiarized" u say) were written under illumination by the Holy Ghost? If so, the Holy Ghost gave her the words she read to portray what needed to be said. If those books by others were guided by the Holy Spirit, why wouldn't He tell Ellen White to write the same if they were effective?
iMattCi89 1 year ago
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@BuckLakeBoy "When writing these precious books, if I hesitated, the very word I wanted to express the idea was given me" To me it also isn't an issue at all! Do you believe the writings she paralleled ("plagiarized" u say) were written under illumination by the Holy Ghost? If so, the Holy Ghost gave her the words she read to portray what needed to be said. If those books by others were guided by the Holy Spirit, why wouldn't He tell Ellen White to write the same if they were effective?
iMattCi89 1 year ago
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@BuckLakeBoy what source did you find ?
iMattCi89 1 year ago
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iMattCi89 1 year ago
I believe in obedience to the 10 Commandments and I am a Sabbath keeper - but I don't believe like the SDA that my obedience contributes to me GETTING saved [Justification], STAYING saved [sanctification]. If you read Galatians 4:21 and then Gal 3:1-3 with an open mind you will see that the FALSE GOSPEL that Paul opposed so vehemently was this: You initially get saved by faith in Jesus PLUS my own efforts. Jesus PLUS anything else to get saved or stay saved is the legalism of the SDA today.
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
@The1Antonio1 What a hasty tongue... listen to this. Fundamental #19, Law of God: "Salvation is all of grace and not of works, but its fruitage is obedience to the Commandments." Do you love Jesus? If you love Jesus, you would keep His Commandments (Jn 14:15). If you say you love Him, but don't keep His Commandments, it is a pretense profession of faith (1 Jn 2:4 / Jas 2:14). And yet neither does keeping them save you because doing it to be saved is useless (Rom 3:28)
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@iMattCi89 What a lying tongue..listen to this.
1. You are deluded if you think that because you walk into an SDA building every Saturday morning that you are now a perfect and sinless Commandment keeper. You are a SINNER and you BREAK God's Commandments.
2. If you really loved Jesus you would embrace Him as your 100% Saviour,not part Saviour as you do now. You believe Jesus partly saves you and your own Sabbath keeping saves you.
3. Renounce legalism before its too late!!! Come to Christ!
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
@The1Antonio1 Here's my answer:
1. It's unfortunate you think so, because I've never done that. I've never walked to church thinking that observing Sabbath makes me perfect and sinless. God is my witness; I make no pretense on that. You may have been extensively exposed to professed SDAs that think like that. But I tell you, they are in more danger of being lost than an atheist.
2. I keep Sabbath because I believe I'm saved.
3. If you actually read what I wrote, you'd know I oppose legalism.
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@iMattCi89 You are a liar and I can prove it with 1 question which you will avoid giving a direct answer because you know your answer will expose you as a liar and being legalistic.
My question for you is:
If you stopped attending SDA Church Service every Saturday morning for the rest of your life, can you still be saved in the end and avoid the mark of the beast?
Yes or No?
Secondly, Are you saying you perfectly keep the Sabbath Commandment and never sin?
Yes or No?
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
@The1Antonio1 that's a smokescreen, blocking from view the real issue. Your question distracts from view the real reason why God's ppl in the last days will keep the Sabbath and are identified in that way. They are the only ones who take the undiluted Gospel. "Repent and be baptized; be converted! For the old has passed, the new has come!" But what is the identifying marker of such a ppl? (1Jn 2:3 NASB ) "By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments."
iMattCi89 1 year ago
@The1Antonio1 As for your 2nd qn:
I keep the Sabbath the best I know. Does it mean I never sin? God forbid! He who says as such is a liar and there's no truth in him.
Do you still think I'm a liar?
iMattCi89 1 year ago
Adventists have rejected the true gospel of grace. Instead they believe they are saved by personal Sabbath keeping. And this can easily be proven.. Approach any Adventist and ask them this:
"If you stopped attending Church service every Sabbath for the rest of your life, will you still be saved by faith in Jesus Christ?"
They will begin to twitch, get upset and defensive and their answer will be "Hmm not sure" OR "No! Only SDA Sabbath keepers will be saved and avoid the mark of the beast"
The1Antonio1 1 year ago
@The1Antonio1 Geesh, dude your question is so retarded.
Why would you ask a Seventh Day Adventist such a question? When you know how dear we hold the Sabbath which is the Seventh day. We see the Seventh day as a covenant between God and us and how we recognize his grace and beauty in his works of creation, and just like how he rested on the Sabbath he wants us to rest on that special day to specifically reflect on our relationship with God.
sktigerjs 1 year ago