Jacky juni 2009 (pose method on Mizuno Un. 2 and barefoot)

[Thjeko]

@Averagebum2 It is fine to have an own, strong opinion, but it ain't necessary to discuss in a denigrating way to people thinking otherwise. I respect your opinion. Thanks for sharing. It's all about strong push-off action, huge strides and pawback. Now let people make up their own mind in what might do and feel good to them.

[Averagebum2]

@Averagebum2 That was "powerful push-offs" that got truncated above. All these have been discussed in detail and debated thoroughly in public forums, including the letsrun forum. Pictures have been posted to debunk the claims of Pose, yet Pose coaches who know next to nothing about biomechanics insist on continuing in this deception. The reason I stopped responding here is that Jacky was obviously unhappy with my contributions. I didn't want to waste time on this. If you really need help, ask.

[Thjeko]

@Averagebum2 Hi there, if you want to discuss competitive world class runners, it doesn't make sense to use my vids as example cause I don't belong to that group. I wasn't unhappy with your contributions, but I was unhappy with your tone of voice discussing things. Why not just focus on your own story instead of making your own truth sound more worthwhile by taking pose down. I still look forward to your vids, on your own YT channel, with your own competitive well doing athletes. Please do ;-).

[jokergd]

@adiabolist1 being a barefoot runner myself... I run with a shorter gate, at a higher cadence, resulting in the same speed...

but I do agree with you that running faster obviously results in a higher kick, again, being that I run so much :)

[matthewxcountry]

@Averagebum2 can you tell me where the wasted energy is here. Are you criticizing the pose method in general or is it something particular that she is doing? I am interested in what she could improve on, to not as skilled of an observer as perhaps you are, I think her mechanics look great, especially for a masters athlete.

[Averagebum2]

@matthewxcountry To a Masters athlete, reducing impact can mean the ability to continue running beyond the results of wear and tear. So Pose can reduce impact, but only because it truncates your stride unnaturally, and prevents you from pushing off powerfully to the rear. The result is both reduction in wear and tear, AND a reduction in speed. In simpler terms, run slower and you will continuing longer. It has nothing to do with a more efficient technique, because Pose is much LESS efficient.

[Averagebum2]

@Averagebum2 "will continue running longer."

[starbase606]

Left leg is weaker. The foot comes up consistently lower than the right. I have the same problem. Solution?

[jokergd]

interesting how drastically lower your kick is while you run barefoot

[purpleheart4me]

throwing your feet to far behind you, if you are trying to run fast try using a metronome to help you with the speed at which your feet should be hitting the ground. Over all great stuff! Keep it up !

[Thjeko]

@purpleheart4me Yes, think so too. In the fast run my lean seems to outrun my pull a bit.

[Averagebum2]

Quite frankly, Jacky, this is good Pose, but it's a horrible wastage of energy. Try running like this for 10 km in a race. HR will be very much higher.

[Thjeko]

@Averagebum2 Interesting to see that you think you can judge on my energy expenditure by only watching the vid and without knowing anything specific about my motivations, goals etc. Furthermore, what YOU think to be a waste of energy, could for someone else be energy well spend, for his or her own specific reasons.

[Averagebum2]

@Thjeko Unless your motivation was to run this way for artistic reasons, I am well able to judge your running efficiency by comparing this style you display with what you are capable of, unless you are physically disabled in some way, injury or otherwise.

Tell, me, can you run a PB this way for a 10K, ie if you ran competitively BEFORE you took up Pose. If you didn't, it wouldn't count.

[Thjeko]

@Averagebum2 Yes I did broke records on several distances (5, 10, 21K) since I switched to pose. I'm interested to hear what advice you would give me to perform better? Thanks.

BTW; The fast run in the vid isn't perfect IMO (read description) as I'm "overleaning" my capability of pulling a bit. I would never be able to hold that pace over a 10K. But if I could (doing about 30-32sec./200m), I would be holding the 10K WR. Well that would be quite interesting, especially regarding my age (40+).

[Averagebum2]

Btw, I am not Chi Runner, BK Runner, Evolution Runner or any such thing. I coach only purely by biomechanics.

Your form here is the best Pose technique I have seen as far as I can remember. As far as the system goes, you are very good. But the system is WRONG for competitive runners.

It is good for injured runners, running on ice, and for looking like a Pose runner.

[AM8080AIMCOM]

@Averagebum2 I agree this type of form will never succeed in winning a legitimate competive race. this form does waste too much energy needlessly. seems like your spending more energy to keep your legs restricted from motion than if you were just to lengthen your stride in normal form. this form should only be used by those restricted with injuries and for chopping up a slippery running surface.

[tadaa11]

@Averagebum2 Whats right for competitive runners?

[edgaroberto777]

I like this technique, very good

[abuelito18]

hola alguien me puede contactar con alguna chica de kenia en mexico gracias