4-stroke and 2-stroke is not the same and are very much different, not comparable 2 to 4 stroke.As we know 2stroke ignition each cycle 4 stroke is ignited every second It can not be compared If you compare 2 with 4stroke take 30percent to get the same thrust. I know that you want to compliment how your brand is better than others just be honest differences of 2 and 4 stroke engines , I said without resentment the truth which is true if you do not believe you can try and see what the result .
This Vid is so fake. They didn't put the throtle even on the half of his max with yamaha That boat looks to be around 26 ft and that 225 yamaha would fine on that boat
This Vid is so fake. They didn't put the throtle even on the half of his max with yamaha That boat looks to be around 24 ft and that 225 yamaha would fine on that boat
This video isnt fake it it just shows that 4 stokes suck. if yamaha had a 2 stroke and it went against the etec it might win. The lesson of this video, 2 stoke over 4 stroke. Doesnt matter what the company is 2 strokes will always beat 4 strokes. BTW i have a 1975 evinrude 70hp that works amazing, even though it has thousands of hours. The only problems that ive had with it is the steering gave out a couple years ago(fixed now) and the speed gauge is broken but the rpm gauge still works.
Please. Anyone who really tried these machines knows that this is megafake. The Yamaha is silent, powerful, consumes less and so on. heavier, yes, but who needs to lift their engine anyway. You wish, I say
@Karmanjanko I had 50 E-tec for 3 years and I can speak well, I was forced to sell it for the lack assistenza.Ora I 70 yamaha consumes 16% more just and less noise to a minimum.
I had 50 E-tec for 3 years and I can speak well, I was forced to sell it for the lack assistenza.Ora I 70 yamaha consumes 16% more just and less noise to a minimum.
@Akayamtech and @Karmanjanko WHAT!? etecs are efficient, powerful,styilish,quiet but not silent AND NOT WEIGHTY,why dont u need weight? speed and your transom may stress with weight,had a yamaha,two stroke 25 on a 420 bass tracker,aluminium,god it was SLOW,now we have a 4m seawasp with a a 25 hp etec, sure it had a oil leak, but we replaced it for free under warranty AND NO SERVICE FOR 3 YEARS HELL YEAH,4 strokes=service every year. and the 25 on the seawasp(fibreglass) IS QUICK
Wow you guys sure are scared of Yamaha! Constantly have to try to prove yourself up against them. Let me put it this way, I don't exactly try to man up against the 7 year old boy next door...
abit of lies, i know etec is good power 2 stroke, but won't make that much a difference, 13miles and 30, and 225 yahama can surely take that boat on a plane, they didn't drop the yamaha hammer flat
I own a 07 225hp etec and can tell you this is 100percent true when I'm on a boat whith a for stroke I'm like what's that thing on the back of your boat!!! They sound like they have a rope around the prop total slobs the etec is the real deal folks
2012 emissioms standards will only apply to all you guys in cali it will be a state to state deal just like it is now so sucks to be you guys hell our state only requires emission testing
on 1996 or newer for autos so two strokes are here to stay in my neck of the woods.As far as which motor is better it's all what you perfer. I wouldn't even waste my money on all that new tech shit i stick with the older models we know they work and last forever! easier to work on .
Its been a well know fact for a long time that 2's are better then fours when it comes to wholeshot performence. 4's are quieter, use less fuel and dont smell at all. I imagine these new e-tec's are good, but off the mark permormence is a small price to pay i think
You guys can talk trash all day about who has the best motor and whatnot. At the end of the day the only thing that truly matters is the value of the smiles on the faces of my wife's nieces and nephew after a day on the water with my Skeeter SL1900.
@seadoospeedsterful oh good for you and your Mercury outboard. Where is that built? China? Japan? USA? I can't keep up. Everyone has their preference. It is clear that the Yamaha is trimmed all the way down and that is all I pointed out. If this test (among others) wasn't true why didn't Yamaha conduct some of their own testing to prove this test wrong?
"The Yamaha isn't trimmed all the way down." You guys are idiots. If it wasn't and was trying to push that boat by itself it would probably cavitate like a son of a bitch. That Yamaha is all the way down.
@Jabronie187 Bullshit, although yamahas are less powerful because they are four stroke but a mercury verado is not only 2.6L the same as the evinrude but they have a superchager the size of a computer not mention better fuel economy and a hell of a lot better looking.
@DunksXD well actually, even though I could give a fuck less about evinrudes, the naval station in mississippi here uses e-tecs on there interceptor boats. Personally, I like yammies and mercs. But they must have gotten a deal on those e-teccs. anyone can talk whatever they want, but the truth is, a verado has the most torque, a yammie has the most mid range, and a 2 stroke merc has the best top end with the vmax not far behind, I mean, tenths of a second behind. I driven them all, all sizes.
you are all dumb Americans, did anyone pay attention to the trim and tilt of the engines the evinrude was aimed at lest 10 degrese further down than the yamaha a bloody 150 could get that out of the water with that low tilt on and the fact that her pushed the throttle straight down on the evinrude, with that momentum it would be easy to plane and he simply played with the yamaha as he slowly pushed that thing down. But anyway a mercury verado would beat the shit out of both of those engines.
i live in florida and one thing you notice is that all the "weekend warriors" have mercury engines, and the professional fishermen have yamahas, hondas, or inboard diesels.
So, you can pretty much prove that mercury engines are terrible.
and to say evinrudes are shit, i have 1964 johnson, which comes from the same factory as evinrude, that starts on the first pull.
@Mchitler08 i have a mariner 8hp, mariner10hp,mariner 15hp, yamaha 25hp mercury 70hp, honda 8hp, honda 20hp, honda 30hp , honda 10hp mercury 20hp, all on ribs, a bayliner, another rib with twin 350hp yamaha v8s, so i have hondas and yammies but i prefer mercury, AND BY THE WAY THEY ARE SHIT THEY LACK IN POWER
@jordyboy0129 mercury engines always run way too hot and they are notorious for seizing and/or blowing up. My local marine repair shop has tons of mercury powerheads. Who cares about hole shot, top speed, and all that performance crap. Its reliability, reliability, and reliability with me. And Mercuries are always the worst in reliability.
@Mchitler08 Thats gotta be the dumbest statement Ive heard on the web. Professional anglers use whatever motor they are sponsored by. They are influenced only by money. The fact is that Yamaha, Mercury, and Evinrude are all good engines. However if you look at 3rd party comparisons Mercury has better top end and fuel economy than any other. But they are all pretty close. Its like the difference between Fords and Chevys.
E-TEC is a good motor, don't get me wrong, but just like any new outboard technology, it has it's share of problems. Second, I don't believe that the test was conducted properly, 225 Yamahas are usually quick to get a boat up to plane, especially a boat of that size. Last, everyone knocking and making negative comments about import outboards shows their ignorance. I own a Japanese outboard and it has never once let us down in the 20 years that we've owned it. Only maintenance was performed.
Notice how they never ran against the new Suzuki 4 strokes. The comment some manufacturers switched to all 4 strokes was directed at Suzuki. And yet I never once seen a Evinrude factory test directly against Suzuki. I have seen independent tests that dont support most of the claims of the E Tech. Do your research carefully.
@geniusium how is this fake? is it unfair heck yeah, but it is not fake. a two stroke is just better than a 4 stroke piece of crap. evinrude should go against mercs to be fair instead of a piece of crap yamaha
just imagine how much they had to pay yamaha to fake this vid to make them get money ffs my yamaha f225 is on my carrieban reefrunner and shoots out of the whole like its nothing
Evinrude+ETEC = Garbage! Too many problems with my 05, 06 and 07 went back to Yamaha no problems since 08. No more spun hubs, blow Heads and fried powerpacks. 06 and 07 were Etecs 05 was a Ficht. PS this video is Bullshit. Yamaha was not WOT maybe a 1/4 of the way. I have owned 25 high end boats in the last 10 years and have had Mercury which is the worst ever built, Erude is 2nd worst. I didn't like Yamahas older Vmax EFI smokers but the newer series1 and 2 HPDI and 4 strokes rock!
@SeeNanners Ofcouse I did, I have owned so many boats and forgot that the ones that ran 2 strokes needed oil. What do you think? Adding oil does suck and doing an oil change is better. I guess I can't make up my mind if I like speed or fuel efficiency?? Oh, I but I know I can get both and more with the new SHO on my Skeeter ZX225 that I ordered.
Evinrude+ETEC = Garbage! Too many problems with my 05, 06 and 07 went back to Yamaha no problems since 08. No more spun hubs, blow Heads and fried powerpacks. 06 and 07 were Etecs 05 was a Ficht
Evinrude+ETEC = Garbage! Too many problems with my 05, 06 and 07 went back to Yamaha no problems since 08. No more spun hubs, blow Heads and fried powerpacks.
Mercury OptiMax crushes every other outboard and why the fuck would people want to buy asian motors theyre garbage except yamaha they ok BUY AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!!!!!
@dirtbiker1445 Buy American? Tell that to my 2-stroke Nissan outboard buddy, almost 20 years on the water, never once had a problem, only thing I've done is change gear oil, plugs and water pump at manufacturer intervals. Btw, this ad is total BS. Import motors are just as good if not better than their domestic counterparts. Relax.
the hole shot comparison was way too lame for me... i agree that a 2 stroke has better hole shot than a 4 stroke... but what was that yamaha? they should have 3 miles difference at most and here it has 17 miles??? as if they put a 25 hp engine secretly when they 'used' yamaha
whats better Yamaha VMAX or the Evinrude E-tec? this year i am going to bye new outboard i dont know what to bye yet, every body tells something diffrent.
TOTALLY UNFAIR TEST... A 2 STROKE AGAINST A 4 ISN'T EVEN CLOSE TO A TEST. IF THEY WANTED TO DO A FAIR TEST THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE RUDE VS A MERC OR YAMMIE OR OTHER 2 STROKE. MAKES ME WONDER ABOUT EVINRUDE WHEN THEY TRY THIS KIND OF CRAP.... I HAD AN EVINRUDE BIG V6 AND IT WAS THE ABSOLUTE WORST MOTOR I'VE EVER HAD. AND I'VE HAD BOATS WITH EVERYTHING FROM 9.9'S TO 120MPH OUTBOARD RACE BOATS TO SUPRAS. THE RUDE WAS THE WORST
If only I could count how many Evinrudes and Johnsons I've towed. Mercury for life, and of course a 2-stroke is going to be faster than a 4-stroke. Why don't you put your e-tec up against a Optimax or a 2-stroke HPDI?
Keep these motors in for lakes and bass boats. Go to a SKA tournament and no boats will have evinrudes. All yamahas and mercurys are on the boats. They won't last long on a fishing boat in the ocean.
If I were to replace my motor with a 4stroke, it would be the Suzuki. I'm running an Etec on my boat now with 600hours on it. Servicing is cheap, fuel consumption is great. Hasn' t missed a beat in 4 years.
here in italy the etec don't go very well, they have so mutch problem on injector sistem, i had a 60hp etec ad i have change with a 60 yamaha and it go mutch better
I'm willing to bet if you swapped out the props the results would be the other way around. That Yamaha also isn't running at wide open. You can hear him pull it back a bit and it not propped right.
@jim2029 that's true i heard that also, i own an evinrude its not an etec but its a fitch ram injection one and its a great engine very reliable and good on gas but i don't think they did this test fairly, i also have a yamaha 15 hp four stroke as a kicker on my boat and on full throttle with that little motor it pushes my 18 foot boat 13 mph....this test is bull shit
Funny to hear the guy (1.45) say "wanting a 4 stroke has been hyped into people by the advertising". Hell I have never seen a more focused and effective advertising campaign than ETEC's. However, I spent my money yesterday and ordered a 175 Suzuki. SOOOO quite and smooth, and with all the GRUNT I could ever want.
I would not call it effective. People who buy nice boats know engines, when they hear crap like that "wanting a 4 stroke has been hyped into people by the advertising", they pretty much write of anything else that source ever claims in the future.
lol notice the throttle position when he does the yamaha NOT all the way down and you can hear him let off too. oh and notice how they dont show the throttle position when he does the evinrude and he does not let off he keeps it all the way down FALSE ADVERTISING
When I was on a trip with my friend which is a guide in the keys he switched to Evinrude E-tec. He switched from A yamaha V-Max. When he switched on his 4th trip he lost group of costumers because he could not even get it started! He only had a Evinrude for 2 months then he switched back to Yamaha V-Max. Yamaha's have so much more reliability when you need it.
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yea definetly false advertising but alright, first of all a 2 stroke DOES NOT make torque. 4 stroke does. 2 stroke makes HP... and this is definetly a biased commercial none the less, if they say that E tec engine is halve as good as it sounds, then good on evinrude.
Even tough it's obviously false advertising, it does make me want to go out and buy evinrude. The only thing it's missing is a girl in bikini to seal the deal.
@ichtus101 We have an evinrude brochure and one of the advertisments says " If its high maintenance and its on your boat, It better be in a bikini"!!!
Even though there is little doubt in my mind that the E-tec's superior in performance, this seems a bit too fishy for me. I'd understand a 6 to 10 mph difference at best, but damn. Smells like false advertising.
I would have to agree with you there, it does look a litle fishy.. I think on the Evinrude website they say that they are both running standard props.. But whats the standard, most engines in the UK seem to come with a 13 or 15 degree pitch as standard. So it could all be down to that....But I will say this. We manufacture fishing boats and are now about to offer the ETEC range as a standard over Mercury and Yamaha...
I hate to discredit anyone, but in the last test for my college physics class we applied the concept... power=force / time. Such that if it takes 2000 N to move an object x distance in 10 seconds, then the motor would require 200 hp at 100% efficiency to get job done.
DRIVEN WHEEL TORQUE is what dictates acceleration.
And at any given vehicle speed, DRIVEN WHEEL TORQUE is proportional to engine HP (as dictated by the selected gear, which establishes the corresponding RPM - and hence HP - at that vehicle speed) minus total drive-line loss
If anyone is paying attention to this argument, do not listen to TheOfficialKC. He doesn't know what he's talking about. I'll post the facts not refutable by anyone.
All of you who doubt this video go out and try it yourself. They make the same power, the E-Tec has more torque, and the E-Tec weighs 518/530lbs vs Yamaha's 586/604lbs.
Same power, more torque, less weight. How could the Yamaha possibly win?
So torque makes a 17 mph difference. No a rigged test does. Hp is hp regardless of which motor makes more torque. A motor that makes less torque simply requires lower(numerically higher)gear ratios. Unlike hp, torque can be multiplied, via gearing. Check the gear ratios. Yamaha uses lower gear ratios for this very reason. The torque difference is negligible. The etec just has a different powerband. HP and gearing dictate how much torque a motor makes. The torque advantage is hype.
Actually no. Torque dictates how much power you have. Torque is the constant. Now you can simulate (not create) torque with gearing. Now take 2 engines, same horsepower and same gearing. The one with more torque will out accelerate the other. Re-gear the less torquey motor to boost acceleration and you then lack top speed. That is how this test works.
Actually yes. I can tell you don't have much experience with Physics. Torque=force. Torque by itself does NOTHING, since it must be applied in rotation and at some speed (e.g. RPM) in order to produce motion. Torque in motion is called POWER. Hence the relationship between horsepower and torque is defined as follows: Horsepower = torque * RPM / 5252. Your example is dumb. You always gear to a motors powercurve. Comparing otherwise is pointless.
Wow. You are probably the dumbest person. TORQUE is NOT a force. A FORCE is a force. Newtons is a force. NewtonMETERS is torque. POUNDS is a force. PoundFEET is torque. A force is NOT a torque. If you ever buy a big truck, a diesel, you shop for torque not horsepower. You need torque to tow heavy loads. Torque = low RPM power, acceleration. If you had 500hp but no torque you would not be able to get started.
You're the dumbass who doesn't understand basic physics. I am spot on 100%. Go over to the physics forums and ask them what I posted. You'll see who dumb one is.
Per wikipedia: One pound-foot is the torque created by one pound force acting at a perpendicular distance of one foot from a pivot point. Thanks come again.
Actually torque IS a force acting in rotation. Again once you can pass your basic physics class take a statics class.
You wrote that torque is the moment of a force about a point. That is correct. So exactly what you said, a moment is a rotation. Torque = moment and moment = rotation so...Torque = rotation.
So now torque is a force acting in rotation? What did I say the other night dumbass? "Torque=force. Torque by itself does NOTHING, since it must be applied in rotation and at some speed (e.g. RPM) in order to produce motion. Torque in motion is called power."
You don't know what you're talking period.
But let me ask you something. If I turn a wrench to torque down a bolt, I'm not creating any force? GTFO! That is retarded logic. Go educate yourself.
One more thing. If torque was useless why would any company sell a HO (high output) engine? It has a larger displacement than other equivalent hp engines just so that it will make torque.
If torque was useless no one would buy or sell an HO.
Don't be embarrassed for me. I am 100% correct. Go over to the physic forums and post everything I have said. I want you to. You don't have the balls to go over there and ask the question.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Because you keep saying things I never said. Or maybe you ignore facts and only read what you want to? Or maybe that is indicative of the education system we have today? But I admit you caught me lying. I have lied about everything. I really like misleading people. I only hold a BSME. What exactly are your qualifications again? Besides being a teenager r who thinks he knows what hes talking about.
No. I already told you to go over to the physic forums yourself. Now I have to correct you and do your dirty work? If you're so smart you can figure it out.
Also why did you never reply to my pm? Probably because I made you look silly.
If you actually use a physics forum you would be able to give me a link. Are you that pathetic that you can't tell me what you use? Do you have no self respect?
I haven't taken the time to respond to the pm yet.
I don't use a "physics forum". I have no need, since I hold a BSME. Do you know what a BSME is? It means I know what I'm talking about. I was merely telling YOU to go over there and find out the answers for yourself. So now I have no self respect because I told you to do your own work? LOL!
And really don't bother replying to my pm because there is nothing for you to r
4-stroke and 2-stroke is not the same and are very much different, not comparable 2 to 4 stroke.As we know 2stroke ignition each cycle 4 stroke is ignited every second It can not be compared If you compare 2 with 4stroke take 30percent to get the same thrust. I know that you want to compliment how your brand is better than others just be honest differences of 2 and 4 stroke engines , I said without resentment the truth which is true if you do not believe you can try and see what the result .
MUFLON205 1 week ago
si i commencais par mettre de lhuile dans le moteur pi enlever le collant sur le hood i irais peux ben mieux pi avec le bon prop. lolll
ptiteandrew 1 month ago
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This Vid is so fake. They didn't put the throtle even on the half of his max with yamaha That boat looks to be around 26 ft and that 225 yamaha would fine on that boat
lighthouse7ry 2 months ago
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This Vid is so fake. They didn't put the throtle even on the half of his max with yamaha That boat looks to be around 24 ft and that 225 yamaha would fine on that boat
lighthouse7ry 2 months ago
run that e tec next to a vmax 2 stroke... lets see that video wheres it at ???????
roberto6743 2 months ago
The Evinrude has got a short gearing... That results in more torque on the propshaft, but on a small boat the Yamaha has a higher top speed.
retetikker 4 months ago
Actually, the military DOES use them . Evinrude makes a multi- fuel version that the navy uses.
It's called an Evinrude MFE
donnyp1966 4 months ago
Actually, the military DOES use them . Evinrude makes a multi- fuel version that the navy uses.
donnyp1966 4 months ago
crap! i think they didn't put the throtle even on the half of his max with yamaha...it's so stupid
ljakrtsh1 4 months ago
This video isnt fake it it just shows that 4 stokes suck. if yamaha had a 2 stroke and it went against the etec it might win. The lesson of this video, 2 stoke over 4 stroke. Doesnt matter what the company is 2 strokes will always beat 4 strokes. BTW i have a 1975 evinrude 70hp that works amazing, even though it has thousands of hours. The only problems that ive had with it is the steering gave out a couple years ago(fixed now) and the speed gauge is broken but the rpm gauge still works.
relmofyou 5 months ago
POS!!! all the ones i have seen broke down and ketp being towed! the computer keeps going bad! POS!!!! piece of shit!!
fidiladiez 5 months ago
If it is so good because in Italy only to see it repaired?
vogliosasmandruppata 5 months ago
i think evinrude is the best. i dont know why you guys hate on it i think you guys are just are mad that you picked yamaha over evinrude
mheadskier 6 months ago
@mheadskier engines are completely different and you can not compare
vogliosasmandruppata 5 months ago
bs eaither that yamaha wasent running right or he was backin off the throttle
stevieb12395 6 months ago
Please. Anyone who really tried these machines knows that this is megafake. The Yamaha is silent, powerful, consumes less and so on. heavier, yes, but who needs to lift their engine anyway. You wish, I say
Karmanjanko 6 months ago
@Karmanjanko I had 50 E-tec for 3 years and I can speak well, I was forced to sell it for the lack assistenza.Ora I 70 yamaha consumes 16% more just and less noise to a minimum.
vogliosasmandruppata 5 months ago
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I had 50 E-tec for 3 years and I can speak well, I was forced to sell it for the lack assistenza.Ora I 70 yamaha consumes 16% more just and less noise to a minimum.
vogliosasmandruppata 5 months ago
E-tec... What a hunk of SHIT. Yamaha all the way.
Akayamtech 6 months ago
@Akayamtech and @Karmanjanko WHAT!? etecs are efficient, powerful,styilish,quiet but not silent AND NOT WEIGHTY,why dont u need weight? speed and your transom may stress with weight,had a yamaha,two stroke 25 on a 420 bass tracker,aluminium,god it was SLOW,now we have a 4m seawasp with a a 25 hp etec, sure it had a oil leak, but we replaced it for free under warranty AND NO SERVICE FOR 3 YEARS HELL YEAH,4 strokes=service every year. and the 25 on the seawasp(fibreglass) IS QUICK
Theadamman1 5 months ago
Wow you guys sure are scared of Yamaha! Constantly have to try to prove yourself up against them. Let me put it this way, I don't exactly try to man up against the 7 year old boy next door...
stevenabb 6 months ago
is't fair to compare donkey and horse?
amdddr 6 months ago
whats funny is that evinrude and johnson 4 strokes are really white suzy's
captlucky3 7 months ago
I dont care what evinrude says or does IM HAPPY AS HELL with my four stroke YAMAHA!
Paul0E0Ester 7 months ago
why dont you show us the throttle when you are using the yamaha, you guys are all a bunch of bulshitters
boneflsh1 7 months ago
@boneflsh1 they go on the boat yourself that what i did
ChevyMan2195 7 months ago
abit of lies, i know etec is good power 2 stroke, but won't make that much a difference, 13miles and 30, and 225 yahama can surely take that boat on a plane, they didn't drop the yamaha hammer flat
vproduction 7 months ago
Same power, - different purpose propeller !!! . Anyone who knows boats would recognize
skyppy100 7 months ago
00:45 there is no hood!
jetraymond 8 months ago
ha its funny how they dont show the rpm cuz hes not useing all power this is bull shit E-tec fucks it self
TheFood54 8 months ago
I own a 07 225hp etec and can tell you this is 100percent true when I'm on a boat whith a for stroke I'm like what's that thing on the back of your boat!!! They sound like they have a rope around the prop total slobs the etec is the real deal folks
Pisces240os 8 months ago
2012 emissioms standards will only apply to all you guys in cali it will be a state to state deal just like it is now so sucks to be you guys hell our state only requires emission testing
on 1996 or newer for autos so two strokes are here to stay in my neck of the woods.As far as which motor is better it's all what you perfer. I wouldn't even waste my money on all that new tech shit i stick with the older models we know they work and last forever! easier to work on .
68skeletor 8 months ago
Its been a well know fact for a long time that 2's are better then fours when it comes to wholeshot performence. 4's are quieter, use less fuel and dont smell at all. I imagine these new e-tec's are good, but off the mark permormence is a small price to pay i think
leighsa49 8 months ago
e-tec ownage.
iamthecomplain 8 months ago
You guys can talk trash all day about who has the best motor and whatnot. At the end of the day the only thing that truly matters is the value of the smiles on the faces of my wife's nieces and nephew after a day on the water with my Skeeter SL1900.
kukini1 8 months ago
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unfair comparison...you can hear the yamaha being backed off before it got on plain
surfing00000000 9 months ago
unfair comparison...you can hear the yamaha being backed off before it got on plain
surfing00000000 9 months ago
Too bad 2 strokes might all together disappear with the 2012 emmision standards.
Every engine will have a catalitic converter on it, from chain saws to the high Hp outboards
793h 9 months ago
@seadoospeedsterful oh good for you and your Mercury outboard. Where is that built? China? Japan? USA? I can't keep up. Everyone has their preference. It is clear that the Yamaha is trimmed all the way down and that is all I pointed out. If this test (among others) wasn't true why didn't Yamaha conduct some of their own testing to prove this test wrong?
Jabronie187 9 months ago
dumbcunts, two stroke vs 4 stroke i guess which will get holeshot..
12mauger 9 months ago
Nice!! the Sticker thats says that you need to put oil in the new yamaha is still on!!! ahahahahhaha prob doesnt have any oil lol
tunerguy95 10 months ago
"The Yamaha isn't trimmed all the way down." You guys are idiots. If it wasn't and was trying to push that boat by itself it would probably cavitate like a son of a bitch. That Yamaha is all the way down.
Jabronie187 10 months ago
@Jabronie187 Bullshit, although yamahas are less powerful because they are four stroke but a mercury verado is not only 2.6L the same as the evinrude but they have a superchager the size of a computer not mention better fuel economy and a hell of a lot better looking.
seadoospeedsterful 10 months ago
If its as great as they say it is, why isnt the military and industry using e-tecs..?
DunksXD 11 months ago 8
@DunksXD Because, why use civillian 2stroke tech when theres the opoc engine
gino800 8 months ago
@DunksXD well actually, even though I could give a fuck less about evinrudes, the naval station in mississippi here uses e-tecs on there interceptor boats. Personally, I like yammies and mercs. But they must have gotten a deal on those e-teccs. anyone can talk whatever they want, but the truth is, a verado has the most torque, a yammie has the most mid range, and a 2 stroke merc has the best top end with the vmax not far behind, I mean, tenths of a second behind. I driven them all, all sizes.
marshjb 7 months ago
@DunksXD the military does
ChevyMan2195 7 months ago
@DunksXD THEY ARE.
fishaholic2012 6 months ago
@DunksXD Because somebody else lobbied Congress with more money!
TheSwampStalker 3 months ago
@DunksXD They are! Evinrude multi-fuel E-Tecs. Run on gas, diesel, jet fuel, kerosene, Jack daniels. Anything. Do a little research.
sk8er11fl 3 weeks ago
you are all dumb Americans, did anyone pay attention to the trim and tilt of the engines the evinrude was aimed at lest 10 degrese further down than the yamaha a bloody 150 could get that out of the water with that low tilt on and the fact that her pushed the throttle straight down on the evinrude, with that momentum it would be easy to plane and he simply played with the yamaha as he slowly pushed that thing down. But anyway a mercury verado would beat the shit out of both of those engines.
seadoospeedsterful 11 months ago
evinrudes are shit
jordyboy0129 1 year ago
@jordyboy0129 not this little prick
i live in florida and one thing you notice is that all the "weekend warriors" have mercury engines, and the professional fishermen have yamahas, hondas, or inboard diesels.
So, you can pretty much prove that mercury engines are terrible.
and to say evinrudes are shit, i have 1964 johnson, which comes from the same factory as evinrude, that starts on the first pull.
Mchitler08 1 year ago
@Mchitler08 i have a mariner 8hp, mariner10hp,mariner 15hp, yamaha 25hp mercury 70hp, honda 8hp, honda 20hp, honda 30hp , honda 10hp mercury 20hp, all on ribs, a bayliner, another rib with twin 350hp yamaha v8s, so i have hondas and yammies but i prefer mercury, AND BY THE WAY THEY ARE SHIT THEY LACK IN POWER
jordyboy0129 1 year ago
@jordyboy0129 mercury engines always run way too hot and they are notorious for seizing and/or blowing up. My local marine repair shop has tons of mercury powerheads. Who cares about hole shot, top speed, and all that performance crap. Its reliability, reliability, and reliability with me. And Mercuries are always the worst in reliability.
Mchitler08 1 year ago
@Mchitler08 Thats gotta be the dumbest statement Ive heard on the web. Professional anglers use whatever motor they are sponsored by. They are influenced only by money. The fact is that Yamaha, Mercury, and Evinrude are all good engines. However if you look at 3rd party comparisons Mercury has better top end and fuel economy than any other. But they are all pretty close. Its like the difference between Fords and Chevys.
hellyeah2299 10 months ago
Did anyone notice they didn't trim the yamaha all the way down to try to get it on plane?
RangerFishingBoats 1 year ago
anyone who says 2 stroke is better than 4 stroke is a retard
jeflagoon 1 year ago
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@jeflagoon can you prove it?
viperxraptor2001 1 year ago
@jeflagoon 2 stroke has way more torque. If you want less power go 4 stroke.
phrozen17 1 year ago
2 strokes will be noisier and that's a PITA on boats
GoneTroppo 1 year ago
E-TEC is a good motor, don't get me wrong, but just like any new outboard technology, it has it's share of problems. Second, I don't believe that the test was conducted properly, 225 Yamahas are usually quick to get a boat up to plane, especially a boat of that size. Last, everyone knocking and making negative comments about import outboards shows their ignorance. I own a Japanese outboard and it has never once let us down in the 20 years that we've owned it. Only maintenance was performed.
rbpower03 1 year ago
@rbpower03 true,does'nt matter how good etecs r,japs 4 sure will b designing something better soon!
herse88 1 year ago
4strokes that bad? Hell I know 75hp 2stroke would have moved that white boat faster than 250hp yamaha 4stroke lol.
kiasoul10 1 year ago
This is bollocks.
kieranlowe1980 1 year ago
pure bullshit
gregsapex 1 year ago
never trust a white horse
james3765733 1 year ago
Notice how they never ran against the new Suzuki 4 strokes. The comment some manufacturers switched to all 4 strokes was directed at Suzuki. And yet I never once seen a Evinrude factory test directly against Suzuki. I have seen independent tests that dont support most of the claims of the E Tech. Do your research carefully.
prepinohio 1 year ago
We have twin yamaha 250's and will blow the etec 300's out of the water.
andrew9454 1 year ago
@andrew9454 No it wont,250 hp vs 300hp?
herse88 1 year ago
i have a yamaha 225 and it when45 with me and my son
jeffreyho30 1 year ago
hmm seams a bit fake about the yammy ,,, etek has problems and parts are hard to obtain ,,,,,for me I will stick w my 115 yam
rrrrockin 1 year ago
bullshit video .. all faked ...
geniusium 1 year ago 3
@geniusium yamaha ain't that weak
TheAfrobob 1 year ago
@geniusium how is it fake?
ChevyMan2195 7 months ago
@geniusium how is this fake? is it unfair heck yeah, but it is not fake. a two stroke is just better than a 4 stroke piece of crap. evinrude should go against mercs to be fair instead of a piece of crap yamaha
relmofyou 6 months ago
@geniusium completly agree completly faked.
Tcowderoy 3 months ago
just imagine how much they had to pay yamaha to fake this vid to make them get money ffs my yamaha f225 is on my carrieban reefrunner and shoots out of the whole like its nothing
bak2lumy4u 1 year ago 2
Evinrude+ETEC = Garbage! Too many problems with my 05, 06 and 07 went back to Yamaha no problems since 08. No more spun hubs, blow Heads and fried powerpacks. 06 and 07 were Etecs 05 was a Ficht. PS this video is Bullshit. Yamaha was not WOT maybe a 1/4 of the way. I have owned 25 high end boats in the last 10 years and have had Mercury which is the worst ever built, Erude is 2nd worst. I didn't like Yamahas older Vmax EFI smokers but the newer series1 and 2 HPDI and 4 strokes rock!
j5jeffw 1 year ago
@j5jeffw Did you forget that you have to add oil to 2 strokes?
SeeNanners 1 year ago
@SeeNanners Ofcouse I did, I have owned so many boats and forgot that the ones that ran 2 strokes needed oil. What do you think? Adding oil does suck and doing an oil change is better. I guess I can't make up my mind if I like speed or fuel efficiency?? Oh, I but I know I can get both and more with the new SHO on my Skeeter ZX225 that I ordered.
j5jeffw 1 year ago
@j5jeffw I agree that adding oil does suck, but I personally prefer 2 strokes. Too bad I can't put one in my Malibu Wakesetter...
SeeNanners 1 year ago
Evinrude+ETEC = Garbage! Too many problems with my 05, 06 and 07 went back to Yamaha no problems since 08. No more spun hubs, blow Heads and fried powerpacks. 06 and 07 were Etecs 05 was a Ficht
j5jeffw 1 year ago
Evinrude+ETEC = Garbage! Too many problems with my 05, 06 and 07 went back to Yamaha no problems since 08. No more spun hubs, blow Heads and fried powerpacks.
j5jeffw 1 year ago
Mercury OptiMax crushes every other outboard and why the fuck would people want to buy asian motors theyre garbage except yamaha they ok BUY AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!!!!!
dirtbiker1445 1 year ago
@dirtbiker1445 Buy American? Tell that to my 2-stroke Nissan outboard buddy, almost 20 years on the water, never once had a problem, only thing I've done is change gear oil, plugs and water pump at manufacturer intervals. Btw, this ad is total BS. Import motors are just as good if not better than their domestic counterparts. Relax.
rbpower03 1 year ago
This looks like a bit of BS to me.
Nebrox 1 year ago
the hole shot comparison was way too lame for me... i agree that a 2 stroke has better hole shot than a 4 stroke... but what was that yamaha? they should have 3 miles difference at most and here it has 17 miles??? as if they put a 25 hp engine secretly when they 'used' yamaha
lordoftheriffs79 1 year ago
its retarded u can hear that when he uses the yamaha he doesnt have it full throttle cuz it aint turnin alot of rpms. wach wen he does the evinrude.
fivedigitslong 1 year ago
@fivedigitslong
Yamaha = 4-stroke
Evinrude = 2-stroke leanburn engine (emission regulations)
Mitsugejl 1 year ago
I love that they need a really powerful outboard to win a fishing tournament.
dieselplow 1 year ago
whats better Yamaha VMAX or the Evinrude E-tec? this year i am going to bye new outboard i dont know what to bye yet, every body tells something diffrent.
rspiteri7 1 year ago
thats right E-tec rules the water!!!
timiotres 1 year ago
I wonder what people at the Ramp thought of the Yamaha Evinrude set up
XboxPhantom 1 year ago
u wrong...yamaha is BEST ... get it with 250vmax ....yamaha kick all of them
KOXPUSERNAME 1 year ago
that is the dumbest fucking thing ive ever seen. duhh its against a 4 stroke? put it against the same yamaha 225 but 2 stroke and seee what happens!
espboy8816 1 year ago
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GWHunter63 1 year ago
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GWHunter63 1 year ago
TOTALLY UNFAIR TEST... A 2 STROKE AGAINST A 4 ISN'T EVEN CLOSE TO A TEST. IF THEY WANTED TO DO A FAIR TEST THEY WOULD HAVE PUT THE RUDE VS A MERC OR YAMMIE OR OTHER 2 STROKE. MAKES ME WONDER ABOUT EVINRUDE WHEN THEY TRY THIS KIND OF CRAP.... I HAD AN EVINRUDE BIG V6 AND IT WAS THE ABSOLUTE WORST MOTOR I'VE EVER HAD. AND I'VE HAD BOATS WITH EVERYTHING FROM 9.9'S TO 120MPH OUTBOARD RACE BOATS TO SUPRAS. THE RUDE WAS THE WORST
operacaster 1 year ago
If only I could count how many Evinrudes and Johnsons I've towed. Mercury for life, and of course a 2-stroke is going to be faster than a 4-stroke. Why don't you put your e-tec up against a Optimax or a 2-stroke HPDI?
WilmSkate 1 year ago
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WilmSkate 1 year ago
more like lemonrude!
SloppierTAY 1 year ago
ya put an E-tec against a merc optimax and a yami vmax hpdi. e tec will be in last!
rangerboatman346 1 year ago
Keep these motors in for lakes and bass boats. Go to a SKA tournament and no boats will have evinrudes. All yamahas and mercurys are on the boats. They won't last long on a fishing boat in the ocean.
SloppierTAY 1 year ago
@SloppierTAY Haha good one...
wipenoutx 1 year ago
If I were to replace my motor with a 4stroke, it would be the Suzuki. I'm running an Etec on my boat now with 600hours on it. Servicing is cheap, fuel consumption is great. Hasn' t missed a beat in 4 years.
sheebaridgeback 1 year ago
here in italy the etec don't go very well, they have so mutch problem on injector sistem, i had a 60hp etec ad i have change with a 60 yamaha and it go mutch better
ramiel8787 1 year ago
take the dang 4 stroke yammi off and put on a VMAX series 2 of the same hp...then see which is quicker.
rangerbass519 1 year ago
@rangerbass519 lol yeah i herd about the vmax,very strong,reliable engines!
herse88 1 year ago
i dont think they had the tabs down on the yamaha run out of the hole.
keegan198 1 year ago
I'm willing to bet if you swapped out the props the results would be the other way around. That Yamaha also isn't running at wide open. You can hear him pull it back a bit and it not propped right.
jim2029 1 year ago
@jim2029 that's true i heard that also, i own an evinrude its not an etec but its a fitch ram injection one and its a great engine very reliable and good on gas but i don't think they did this test fairly, i also have a yamaha 15 hp four stroke as a kicker on my boat and on full throttle with that little motor it pushes my 18 foot boat 13 mph....this test is bull shit
fishaholic2012 1 year ago
Funny to hear the guy (1.45) say "wanting a 4 stroke has been hyped into people by the advertising". Hell I have never seen a more focused and effective advertising campaign than ETEC's. However, I spent my money yesterday and ordered a 175 Suzuki. SOOOO quite and smooth, and with all the GRUNT I could ever want.
makrel01 1 year ago
@makrel01
I would not call it effective. People who buy nice boats know engines, when they hear crap like that "wanting a 4 stroke has been hyped into people by the advertising", they pretty much write of anything else that source ever claims in the future.
matthroswell 1 year ago
Suzuki doesn't need to be embarrassed anymore????? C'mon Motorfordtoyota let's not be so childish. I asked a legitimate question....
Drwhale 1 year ago
prop size should have been stated, stupid
TalkcommercialFish 1 year ago
How come you NEVER ever see an Etec up against a SUZUKI?????
Drwhale 1 year ago
@Drwhale cause suzuki doent need to be embarassed even more!
Motorfordtoyota 1 year ago
SOL is fuckin' awesome. They fuckin' rock ass!!!
penn707 1 year ago
E-tecs are good but this video is so biast
jd175turb 1 year ago
i wanna watch the rest of this, where can i find it?
patwrz9413 1 year ago
Take the new yamaha vmax sho that would kick it ass
Michaelcooper4628 1 year ago
lol yea what ever its haulin ass there is no way
studdgage 1 year ago
he didnt floor it u can here the difrence in power he eased off it
242DEE 1 year ago
i dont think he floored the yamaha. though it did sound terrible
metalbeast4 1 year ago
whoever has the cheap e-tec cant afford a yamaha or a merc. So why is merc and yam more expensive? BECAUSE THEY ARE BETTER THAN SUCKISH EVINRUDE
SloppierTAY 1 year ago
e-tec is NOT RELIABLE. real fisherman use yam or merc. I havent seen one boat over 33ft with an etec
SloppierTAY 1 year ago
lol notice the throttle position when he does the yamaha NOT all the way down and you can hear him let off too. oh and notice how they dont show the throttle position when he does the evinrude and he does not let off he keeps it all the way down FALSE ADVERTISING
krampp24 1 year ago
lol thats a load of shit he didnt even have the yami at full throttle you can hear him let off just before its about to plane over watch again
krampp24 1 year ago
When I was on a trip with my friend which is a guide in the keys he switched to Evinrude E-tec. He switched from A yamaha V-Max. When he switched on his 4th trip he lost group of costumers because he could not even get it started! He only had a Evinrude for 2 months then he switched back to Yamaha V-Max. Yamaha's have so much more reliability when you need it.
stickboy194 1 year ago
evinrude is the best but the advertising is fake. i think its kinda wrong advertising is so that other engines look bad even their also good.
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538457142 1 year ago
id love to see evinrude against the NEW yamaha v max SHO but i still think evinrude is better and mercury
mariner10rpr 2 years ago 16
@mariner10rpr The sho is better but maintence is still an issue
johnson200gw 1 year ago
@mariner10rpr the new Yamahas blow the etecs out of the hole now... bass boats are all set up for them now
DJMikeFury 1 year ago
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yea definetly false advertising but alright, first of all a 2 stroke DOES NOT make torque. 4 stroke does. 2 stroke makes HP... and this is definetly a biased commercial none the less, if they say that E tec engine is halve as good as it sounds, then good on evinrude.
technineriderTEH 2 years ago
how do we know they havent fixed it?
mariner10rpr 2 years ago 2
Even tough it's obviously false advertising, it does make me want to go out and buy evinrude. The only thing it's missing is a girl in bikini to seal the deal.
ichtus101 2 years ago 4
@ichtus101 We have an evinrude brochure and one of the advertisments says " If its high maintenance and its on your boat, It better be in a bikini"!!!
Motorfordtoyota 2 years ago 9
Excellent machine Evinrude E-tec
runnermonkey 2 years ago
all motor have some kind of problems
johnwogboy 2 years ago
oke but put it against an yamaha hpdi or v max than the evinrude goes down is swear
woubal1985 2 years ago
Even though there is little doubt in my mind that the E-tec's superior in performance, this seems a bit too fishy for me. I'd understand a 6 to 10 mph difference at best, but damn. Smells like false advertising.
guillerm004 2 years ago 2
no informations about the propeller?
riccardolt 2 years ago
I would have to agree with you there, it does look a litle fishy.. I think on the Evinrude website they say that they are both running standard props.. But whats the standard, most engines in the UK seem to come with a 13 or 15 degree pitch as standard. So it could all be down to that....But I will say this. We manufacture fishing boats and are now about to offer the ETEC range as a standard over Mercury and Yamaha...
extremevalid 2 years ago
y dont they compete against honda.
skurfer786 2 years ago
Questi video fanno perdere di credibilità, non è possibile che due motori di pari potenza abbiano prestazioni completamente differenti....
vogliosasmandruppata 2 years ago
I hate to discredit anyone, but in the last test for my college physics class we applied the concept... power=force / time. Such that if it takes 2000 N to move an object x distance in 10 seconds, then the motor would require 200 hp at 100% efficiency to get job done.
A1Zealot 2 years ago
Summarily, physics tells us:
POWER = FORCE * VELCOCITY
HENCE: POWER = MASS * ACCELERATION * VELOCITY
THUS: ACCELERATION = POWER/(MASS * VELOCITY)
DRIVEN WHEEL TORQUE is what dictates acceleration.
And at any given vehicle speed, DRIVEN WHEEL TORQUE is proportional to engine HP (as dictated by the selected gear, which establishes the corresponding RPM - and hence HP - at that vehicle speed) minus total drive-line loss
l67torque 2 years ago
If anyone is paying attention to this argument, do not listen to TheOfficialKC. He doesn't know what he's talking about. I'll post the facts not refutable by anyone.
l67torque 2 years ago 2
All of you who doubt this video go out and try it yourself. They make the same power, the E-Tec has more torque, and the E-Tec weighs 518/530lbs vs Yamaha's 586/604lbs.
Same power, more torque, less weight. How could the Yamaha possibly win?
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
So torque makes a 17 mph difference. No a rigged test does. Hp is hp regardless of which motor makes more torque. A motor that makes less torque simply requires lower(numerically higher)gear ratios. Unlike hp, torque can be multiplied, via gearing. Check the gear ratios. Yamaha uses lower gear ratios for this very reason. The torque difference is negligible. The etec just has a different powerband. HP and gearing dictate how much torque a motor makes. The torque advantage is hype.
l67torque 2 years ago
Actually no. Torque dictates how much power you have. Torque is the constant. Now you can simulate (not create) torque with gearing. Now take 2 engines, same horsepower and same gearing. The one with more torque will out accelerate the other. Re-gear the less torquey motor to boost acceleration and you then lack top speed. That is how this test works.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
Actually yes. I can tell you don't have much experience with Physics. Torque=force. Torque by itself does NOTHING, since it must be applied in rotation and at some speed (e.g. RPM) in order to produce motion. Torque in motion is called POWER. Hence the relationship between horsepower and torque is defined as follows: Horsepower = torque * RPM / 5252. Your example is dumb. You always gear to a motors powercurve. Comparing otherwise is pointless.
l67torque 2 years ago
Wow. You are probably the dumbest person. TORQUE is NOT a force. A FORCE is a force. Newtons is a force. NewtonMETERS is torque. POUNDS is a force. PoundFEET is torque. A force is NOT a torque. If you ever buy a big truck, a diesel, you shop for torque not horsepower. You need torque to tow heavy loads. Torque = low RPM power, acceleration. If you had 500hp but no torque you would not be able to get started.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
You're the dumbass who doesn't understand basic physics. I am spot on 100%. Go over to the physics forums and ask them what I posted. You'll see who dumb one is.
l67torque 2 years ago
You said torque is a force. That is 100% WRONG.
Need examples again? Pounds = Force. PoundFEET = Torque.
Newtons = Force, NewtonMETERS = Torque
Torque does NOT = Force.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
Per wikipedia: One pound-foot is the torque created by one pound force acting at a perpendicular distance of one foot from a pivot point. Thanks come again.
l67torque 2 years ago
Gee I wonder why basic physics says this:
POWER = FORCE * VELOCITY
l67torque 2 years ago
Exactly. Torque is force TIMES DISTANCE. It is the APPLICATION of a force to do work. You write the definition yourself and cant understand it.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
Jesus Christ what did I say earlier? You're trying to act like you knew all along and you didn't and still don't. Did you miss this?
Torque by itself does NOTHING, since it must be applied in rotation and at some speed (e.g. RPM) in order to produce motion.
l67torque 2 years ago
Actually torque IS a force acting in rotation. Again once you can pass your basic physics class take a statics class.
You wrote that torque is the moment of a force about a point. That is correct. So exactly what you said, a moment is a rotation. Torque = moment and moment = rotation so...Torque = rotation.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
So now torque is a force acting in rotation? What did I say the other night dumbass? "Torque=force. Torque by itself does NOTHING, since it must be applied in rotation and at some speed (e.g. RPM) in order to produce motion. Torque in motion is called power."
You don't know what you're talking period.
But let me ask you something. If I turn a wrench to torque down a bolt, I'm not creating any force? GTFO! That is retarded logic. Go educate yourself.
l67torque 2 years ago
One more thing. If torque was useless why would any company sell a HO (high output) engine? It has a larger displacement than other equivalent hp engines just so that it will make torque.
If torque was useless no one would buy or sell an HO.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
Oh and this was on the Physic's forums as the definition. Torque is the moment of a force about a point.
Thanks for playing.
l67torque 2 years ago
A direct force moves an object. A force put into rotation is a moment(torque) and horsepower is torque sped up.
You have to tell me why trucks are bought for high torque if torque is useless.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
You have to show me where I said torque is useless? I'll be waiting.
l67torque 2 years ago
Check your personal messages. I am embarrassed by how dumb you are looking to everyone.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
Don't be embarrassed for me. I am 100% correct. Go over to the physic forums and post everything I have said. I want you to. You don't have the balls to go over there and ask the question.
l67torque 2 years ago
Give me the link to the physics forum because what you are correct on proves my point.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
I thought I wasn't correct at all? Now I'm correct. Make up your mind. And you can find the link yourself.
l67torque 2 years ago
Give me a link. You say you write on a physics forum, well give me the link to that forum.
Or are you lying?
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Because you keep saying things I never said. Or maybe you ignore facts and only read what you want to? Or maybe that is indicative of the education system we have today? But I admit you caught me lying. I have lied about everything. I really like misleading people. I only hold a BSME. What exactly are your qualifications again? Besides being a teenager r who thinks he knows what hes talking about.
l67torque 2 years ago
Are you going to answer a single damn question. WHAT IS THE PHYSICS FORUM?
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
No. I already told you to go over to the physic forums yourself. Now I have to correct you and do your dirty work? If you're so smart you can figure it out.
Also why did you never reply to my pm? Probably because I made you look silly.
l67torque 2 years ago
If you actually use a physics forum you would be able to give me a link. Are you that pathetic that you can't tell me what you use? Do you have no self respect?
I haven't taken the time to respond to the pm yet.
TheOfficialKC 2 years ago
I don't use a "physics forum". I have no need, since I hold a BSME. Do you know what a BSME is? It means I know what I'm talking about. I was merely telling YOU to go over there and find out the answers for yourself. So now I have no self respect because I told you to do your own work? LOL!
And really don't bother replying to my pm because there is nothing for you to r