Whisker Biscuit vs Ripcord Arrow Rest (updated)

[RTB5556]

Here is the drop away I put on all my bows. Schaffer opposition drop away is the only way to go. Search for the youtube video...

[CadillacTheDude]

think ill be switchin up after thanksgiving. 5-7 inch groups at 30, and i know its not me nor my equipment. im over the WB

[theroadtothepgatour]

what about a ripcord vs an octane hostage

[muleywatcher]

You must be shooting a 40 lb bow? Try shooting threw the bisket with an 80 lb bow,it will tear the vanes off the arrows, the wisker will not last near as long as the trophy ridge, everyshot slowly wears out the shape and firmness of the wisker bisket, trophy  ridge would be better for higher lbs and faster bows then wisker

[judweiser5]

I went from shooting 6in groups with a whisker at 30yds and switch to the trophy ridge fall away and now im hittin 3in groups at 30yd. it makes a big difference, I used to be a diehard whisker fan too. try it out I bet you whisker guys would be impressed.

[rldel149]

@judweiser5 - check you vanes, having shot the WB, you just may be able to tighten up even more with fresh arrows. I don't know what condition they are in but you might.

I appreciate the comment coming from a recent convert. So many current WB/brush type rest users seem to take it personal - as if I'm trying to kill the biscuit. I'm not at all. I respect the brush types. They were a monumental leap forward. It is just, physics drove technology and there are newer, better options nowadays.

[TheUsbclc]

@judweiser5 i shoot a wisker and i hit 2 in groups at 50 yards... jut get NAP quickspin quickfletchs makes your patterns tighter. And if you shoot a bow alot, you shouldn't be flenching after your shot anyways. Oh and i used to use a trophy ridge drop away...

[rage801]

@judweiser5 same exact for me!

[FunnyMonsta8893]

@judweiser5 I can touch arrows at 30 yards with my WB, its usually shooter not Equipment

[shawnkdunn]

Well hopefully ill be shooting game. That is what i like that is what i want. This review is misinformation. There is no comparison/vs. Its just some dude trying to hype up his gear. Me thinks thee dost protest too much.

[rubymickey]

This is not a Whisker VS Ripcord comparison. It is a Ripcord only = better than undemonstrative Whisker Biscuit.

[rldel149]

@rubymickey - "res ipsa loquitur" - pure physics. If I said the sun rises each day, what proof would you accept? Paraphrasing someone else "To the unbeliever no proof is enough, to the believer, none is required."

[rubymickey]

@rldel149 Hey your words not mine. I am not passing judgement on either system. You missed the point-- your video is only showing one product from your POV.

[rldel149]

@rubymickey - ok, can accept that but understand way back when, locking captured drop-aways were virtually unknown (or significantly few in numbers). Carolina had been very successful with the brush based rest folks were very familier with their concepts - no new concepts to introduce anyone to.

[rldel149]

@rubymickey - "res ipsa loquitur" - pure physics. If I said the sun rises each day, what proof would you accept? Paraphrasing someone else "To the unbeliever no proof is enough, to the believer, none is required."

[rldel149]

We live in a math/science-poor nation. A gentleman commented that he was some kind of pro or something because he shot over 1000 shots a year and he followed that his Ripcord got noisy; maybe he is and it was. But is that significant?

In years I don't turkey hunt, I like to start practicing @ July 1. I usually start w/just 6 shots. By last weekend in Sept., am shooting several dozen a day. So if I average 12 a day every day or 2-dozen every other day in the 85 days - that is over 2000. ???????

[rldel149]

@rldel149. - maybe I missed something like a power of ten, If somebody slung just 2-dozen just on the weekends in the 90 days pre-bow season they'd hit almost 600. But my properly installed in 2007 Ripcord is still giving me dependable accuracy. It seems to hold up year to year too. This year the second day got the bow out I got a 1" group @ 30 yds. I made cables and strings recently and restrung my bow, Going back through the set-up I ripped the vanes off of 4 arrows in one day w/collisions.

[rldel149]

@rldel149-seriously, y'all shoot what you want. Buy a drop-away a 2, 3x the price if you want. There must be a dud ocasionally in anything man made. I got nothing against WBs. This rest simply works for me. A poor craftsman blames his tools but a good jockey brags on his ride. The Ripcord is a part of the overall bow, and everything from the weather to my night's sleep impact my performance. It wasn't to dog WBs but to promote the benefit of a rest that gets the %$=** out of the way I was after

[fpd299]

Well I got my NAP Apache Drop Away set up and tuned and WOW!!!!!! The improvement in consistency and accuracy is incredible. At 20 yds it's a bullseye pretty much every time. At 30 yds I'm shooting probably a 3-4 inch group. The whisker biscuit was so bad that I've shot at 30 yds before and made the SLIGHTEST movement at the shot and completely missed the target. It will ruin a shot. The Apache is so much more forgiving and makes shooting a lot more fun. I'm a believer. They work!!!!

[fpd299]

A whisker biscuit came on my bow when I bought it. It tore the hell out of my arrow fletching. Blazer vanes were being torn off of my arrows. And if I made the SLIGHTEST flicker with my wrist on release, especially at 20 yds plus, i'd be off my 5-6 inches. It's quite aggrivating. The WB does have a few positives, but the negatives definently out weigh them. Personally I'm tired of repacing fletching so I bought a NAP Apache Drow Away. I'll let you know how it works out.

[rldel149]

@fpd299 - I personally would appreciate an update after. Sometimes WB fans see this and feel I'm putting the product down - I'm not. I use the Ripcord. Mine has always worked and worked consistently. I am more variable the the bow is. I have shot twice this season and at 30 yds the second day hit a 3-shot 1" group. It was a perfect day I have to say. It is just hard to argue w/the physics behind fall-aways.

[mathewshonda]

They both are junk get a trophy taker

[swimbait1]

Cool rest but I don't see how once the arrow is drawn it would be any different than the whisker at controlling, left to right, heeling, etc.

[runingblackbear]

i like drop rest its a clean flight out of the rest

[Sideshowbobx]

I'm now using a drop away rest, a QAD, but before that I had a Micro-Drive GoldenKey, Wisker and Octane rest on my bow and the Wisker been the worse.The QAD is rigged with a Rest Rocket setup producing a perfect arrow flight, there is nothing better then such a drop away setup - but it needs the work to be timed & tuned where you can't tune a WB, and this confuses & swamps WB Believers. Drop Aways are the latest stop on the road of evolution, bit it Dino.

[bluegrasssingingman]

@Sideshowbobx What, yes you can tune a WB REST. So either you never used one,or you just don't know what your talking about.

[raginroadrunner]

Can't get these to work on my Longbow....a real man's bow...and for what it's worth...Howard Hill did it all with a longbow..so what the hell is yur problem???

[briargoatkilla]

your rest has absolutely nothing to do with broad head flight. rookies. i do think drop aways are more accurate on a 3-D range. but a tough ass, serious rest that can take a beating and has no moving parts is way better for hunting. shoot what you like!

[rldel149]

@briargoatkilla - Test and compare. A matched broadhead and arrow shaft fit to the bow is most important. But a rest that holds the arrow in 360 rather tight will translate wrist motions to the discharging arrow. Muchmore than a "V" shaped rest. If you torque the bow it will plow the broadhead to a greater extent. You are right. Durability is important. My Ripcord remains flawless.

[jtschid0910]

I have a hard time thinking that the spring in the drop-away rest drops away quick enough to not touch the fletchings on the arrow.

[rldel149]

@jtschid0910 - as Ripley said "believe it or not", but seriously, I firmly believe it does exactly as advertised. Arrows don't move a bullet speed and perhaps cheap immitations don't fall away as fast.

You need only try one, or if you prefer, continue using the rest of your choosing. It makes one wonder, why is the %sales of bristle type rests continually shrinking and fall-aways expanding.

With all the gimmics we have thrown at us each season, I don't blame anyone who might be skeptical.

[iowabucks]

@jtschid0910 Go to the Ripcord website. They have slow motion video of the rest dropping during a shot. Believe me, it gets out of the way fast, with no bouncing back up. It completely drops before the arrow moves forward 8 inches.

[brianc4tnt]

Dude!!! Just bought the ripcord today and it is AWESOME... Had my broadheads hitting my field tips with the first two shots I took with it. So far has not malfunctioned at all vary nice.

[rldel149]

@brianc4tnt - mine is several years old now, (knock on wood), never has messed up - not once!

Good luck this year.

[brianc4tnt]

I right now have the WB and I can shoot tight groups but I can not tune it in for shit. So now I'm switching to a dropaway rest to see if I can get my feildtips to shoot the same as my fixed blades.

[WhitetailMafia1]

mathews sucks sorry man! pse is the bomb diggity

[landonjmills]

i use a whisker biscuit rest but my bow works perfect

[Vanusk]

I'm looking to get into archery and I'll be getting a Hoyt Ultra Elite soon.  Any recommendations for an ideal beginner arrow rest?

[rldel149]

@Vanusk The Ripcord of course... but in a fixed type for hunting maybe look in to the Catawaba rests. They made a 3-brush fixed type similar to the WB but w/less brushes.

[TimetoshootArchery]

@Vanusk QAD (Quality Archery Design) it is the best and gives you more fps and so on.

[thedognault]

learn with a whisker biscuit then switch to a drop away... with no bad habits its amazing what you can do with a good drop away

[rldel149]

@thedognault "learn with a whisker biscuit then switch to a drop away... with no bad habits its amazing what you can do with a good drop away" - you know, learning with a fixed rest is probably very sound advice. He has a very good point of sticking w/the fundamentals first. A poor craftsman blames his tools...

[MrCooldude1243]

i stick with the the old style bow and arrow

[codicamartin]

fishnkid1923...fall aways have a wide range of prices from 50's to 100's. Do not go with the ripcord. I'd suggest Trophy Taker, QAD, or the Mathews Downforce. I believe they increase the speed as well. But highly increase accuracy.

[rldel149]

Fishnkid, I would not rush into a selection based on price unless that was a limiting factor. Form, features and function are key. Look at things like how the arrow is held, noise, amount of plastic, adjust-ability, does the arrow center in the rest accurately/repeatedly, did the company get sold recently, many things, etc. I'd hate to miss a great wall hanger one day because my rest drops slower in the cold erratically.

Just the same, just because something costs more doesn't mean its better

[GordonLoop]

@codicamartin ROFLMAO "I believe they increase the speed as well. But highly increase accuracy." that could possibly be the dumbest thing ever said, obviously said by someone with 0 experience.... Drop Away rests have far more working against them than working for them, use the KISS method ppl (Keep It Simple Stupid)

[TimetoshootArchery]

@GordonLoop It sounds like your the one with 0 experience. QAD products are the best perfomance rest that is on the market.

[fishnkid1923]

what does a good fall away rest cost..also,do u think it would increase the speed of my arrow...

[rldel149]

There are so many these days it is hard to say, check on line with an archery site like Bass Pro or Lancaster perhaps. This ripcord was the last I needed and since I posted they have (as I hear - don't know for sure) become the #1 captured drop-away rest. As people become accustomed to drop away technologies - more competition enters the market.

[archeryrules325]

Alright, Ive read almost all of the comments. I use a 3-Point WB, IMO its the best, but at first I wanted a drop away. I found that for diff things that people do, they need a diff rest. Example- if you are only interested in target archery, then the drop away rest would beat the WB hands down for most of the reasons said below. BUT! If you are outdoors walking through the woods and see a nice buck, the WB wont make a lot of sound w/ the arrow. The drop away would make noise, or fall off easily.

[archeryrules325]

This is all IMO, so if you don't like my advice, you can do whatever you want with your rest. Also, i was getting really close to the limit, so i had to cut it down.

[rldel149]

No, no problem but forgive me for saying 1) if you have a 3-point WB, you don't (to my knowledge) actually have a Whisker Biscuit, I'll bet a dollar to a doughnut it is something else.

And 2) as far as noise & falling off as you state, some drop away rests, you could be right but noise I don't think so. What is there to make noise against? Unlike a WB and/or similar styled rests, drop ways (any and all) do just that - drop away. Nothing rubbing ergo no sound from the arrow.

[rldel149]

And on all rests, the arrow's surface has a lot to do w/how much noise is made as the arrow scoots across the rest.

I think free market principles apply. Supply and demand apply. I think there is a reason WBs ship on so many OEM bows. As long as people a willing to buy them, somone is willing to make them.

I was lead to understand the owners of Carolina Archery Products elected to sell the business unit to Trophy Ridge. That is just rumors I have heard - I'm not in the business & don't know.

[archeryrules325]

Alright, I understand 1, i wasn't quite sure what to call it.

But in 2, i was talking about when you are putting the arrow ON the rest, and pulling back. If the arrow tip hits the rest, it could make a clicking sound, and in that crucial moment, that could mean the difference between getting a clean kill or the deer running off, spooked

[sfpd17]

whisker biscuits work fine but thats not a bad deal either

[ogostaboy]

I don't believe that someone will try a high end fall away would go back to the WB.

[pyroskier720]

I have the Rip Cord and love it. It improved my accuracy SO much.

[Hoyt2012]

whisker biscuit waves your feathers

[emmalee0311]

i have that same rest and it's better than any other's i've used

[tippmannc3]

i shoot with a WB and persnaly i like them better

[jordyd19]

qad looks identical to the ripcord far as this video is concerned. You gotta check out mathews dropzone. That fucker is responsive, silent and since it's mathews locks into the riser better. My qud on my xforce looks like it's on crooked for real it's kinda gross.

The point I thought was whisker biscuts are for idiots who ought to make something out of plasticboard with a drill.

[ATRfan31]

whisker biscuts kick ass

[Buck772]

whisker  biscut sucks dick

[ondamedjedi]

gave you a 5 stars, I can't believe whisker biscut is in business still. I shoot a QAD and it looks allot like your ripcord from what I can see.

Whisker biscut sucks, oh yea and all that arrow contact on the biscut makes noise.... but whatever, if your shooting a whisker biscut you can't afford the good drop aways so I'm wasting energy.

[dadsdeer]

wait till you have to let down the ripcord does not stay up and your jumps all over the place. the qad is better. but i like the hostage pro the best

[Fullboar69]

It's a proven fact that the Wisker Biscuit is accurate as any fall away rest just look at olympic indoor spot archers most still use a lizard tongue type rest and they contact the arrow it's entire length as its shot. It's true that Blazer Vanes do stand up very well to WB rests them and I (as well as everyone I know) dont have a problem with them coming off. As for noise I have never heard a sound come from a WB rest. I have noticed every person that doesnt like a WB has never used one.

[rldel149]

I think you have missed the boat - FRICTION: one point of contact to many. The top of one little wire compared to the edges of a bunch of bristles. You compare apples and oranges there.

[TimetoshootArchery]

@Fullboar69 I have used one and since i've changed to a QAD i see a better performance and is a lot less noiser. and a WB slows your arrow down quite a bit. also WB can damage your vanes.

[timdaw1]

I just bought the QAD ultra rest pro. Cant go wrong with it, its super reliable and i can get a two inch group at 30 yards. I had the Carolina Archery Products Wisker biscuit rest and like the guy said, if you even move a bit that will throw the arrow off unlike the drop away. One of my buddys has the Octane Hostage Arrow Rest and its pretty good but hes going to go with the QAD ultra rest. Hope this helps.

[lilbuffa7489]

2 in at 30 yards"? i use the WB and can put arrows side by side at 40 yards the rest really makes no difference the drop away is for shooters who aren't as good and can't shoot as consistant as people that USE a WB bc if you shoot consistant friction makes no difference but IMO WB is the way to go

[Ezelle123]

ok first of all drop away arrow rests aren't reliable and whisker biscuit arrows rest tear your vanes or feathers but the rest that can hold your arrow in place and not tear your vanes is the Octane Hostage Arrow REst and that what i'm useing now and its always reliable dosn't tear your vanes or feathers but this is just my opinion so get what you want to get or be sorry just say'in Octane Hostage Arrow Rest is the best!!!

[rldel149]

Hmmm.. this comment really didn't add all that much & I don't generally keep the "mine is better than yours" type. I do leave the "I like mine because of" & they offer a legitimate tangible reason.

The truth is drop-aways & WBs are both reliable. With both you can have complications. WBs can, but don't always rip off/ripple vanes.

A good archer w/a WB can shoot as well/better than a poorly skilled and a fall-away. The longer the arrow is in contact w/the rest the more influence the rest has.

[matthew1895]

how does it hold the arrow like that

[rldel149]

It is like a very tall fork with a separate and fixed finger across the top. when the rest falls away, the fork drops out by a spring pulling it down.

In one of the two WB vids, I flip it all the way upside down and you can hear some clicking as the arrow bangs against my extended sight. That is a situation that doesn't happen while hunting but some other brands have a tad bit of hunter's fleece on the fork part to make them more quiet.

[matthew1895]

thanks i think i will get one of those but i have to get the money first

[codedead123]

i hunt with the whisker biscuit like it

[606Jessica606]

i used to shoot whisker buiskut but i moved on up to "fall away" rests

[rldel149]

Right now, Im sure can't hit the broad side of a barn. The last week of season last year unscrewing steps I reinjured my shoulder and havn't drawn it since. I don't know if I can draw the thing back. Thanks and good luck to you too... but its getting harder to get up in the AM.

[roaneagle]

I can group in a 3 inch dot all day long at 30 yards with my Whisker Biscuit. Having said that, your logic on the drop away is above reproach and I plan to change over to one after the 08 deer season! Thanks for the great advice and instuctional vids!

[rizor10000]

what bow is, i know its a compound bow but, is it a matthew? and what model :) i got a hoyt 38 ultra ^^

[rldel149]

Dren...

[rldel149]

I'm not a great technical shooter. I can take the best rig and not do what a great shooter can do with a piece of junk. Thats just life. But mechanics is knows no loyalty. If an arrow rest is still in contact with my arrow and I move my hand - up, dn, lf, rt, up... it will impact the flight of my arrow more than if it falls away. If, on the other hand, it falls off and spooks the deer, that bites too. throw in a pounding heart and forgetting to breathe and the odds are in the deer's favor.

[Str8eningTheCurves]

you said it, "shoot what you like...shoot what you want". Best tip i've heard. My 2 cents: I shoot the WB QS...I've never had any problems with my fletchings or accuracy problems.

[rldel149]

Well you can't beat that. And I'm not running anybody down who can get good results using them. There is something to be said for the pure simplicity of the WB not to mention Carolina was the first to take it to market. No, it is 99% personal but in my opinion, the WB has come and gone as the BEST all around choice. STIL DARN FINE -- just no longer the best TECHNICAL alternative. IMO Still well worth considering - a little dab a glue in the right place and realistic archery range - c'mon! WBrOK

[lnglveledzeppelin]

any advice for an arrow rest for a fred bear recurve bow?

[rldel149]

Oooo no... Call Lancaster Archery. They are very big in that kind of product.

[lnglveledzeppelin]

Thanks man.

[jjacquay712]

im new to archery, and im not sure what type of rest i have... but every 5 or 6 shots the fletching tears... an i doing something wrong, or is it the arrow rest?

[rldel149]

That is typical of the WB unfortunatly. You can try Blazer vanes. They hold up the best. Also drop a dollub of glue at the leading edge of the vane. That helps some too.

[b18c5integra]

nice wisker biscuit, is that carolina archery??

[Bowhuntinfever]

it used to be but trophy ridge bought them out. its still called wisker biscuit though

[bddc201]

LOL @ whisker biscuit. Is that really what it's called?

[BrAsiL7777]

yea but it is a wicked wicked nice rest dude i love me whisker biscuit

[josef2424]

yea, I send my meat to a processor, but thanks.

[josef2424]

it looks like your fletchings are too big to fit under that bar on top

[rldel149]

with a fall away you can turn the vanes any direction - it doesn't matter,

[rldel149]

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