He wasn't trying to win. He wanted to die. He wanted to sacrifice himself so that his family would get what they deserved. In other words, Hulk held back greatly, stayed calm and allowed Zeus to beat him. That's a fact. Anyone who has read the issues following (Incredible Hulks #623-625) or before the confrontation (Incredible Hulks #612-620) knows it's the truth. In Heart of the Monster, it was even stated that the Hulk was holding back his rage for that entire year that these events took place
@GreenScar90 I've heard that excuse before and it never made sense. Why would the Hulk think that letting Zeus beat him up would bring his family back? It's silly.
He went there to get Zeus to help his family, either by convincing him to do it or by beating him into submission and FORCING him to do it.
Zeus just completely outclassed him. That's really all there is to it. Writer Greg Pak himself said that even Hulk has limits and the story was meant to convey that.
@demigawd A-Bomb/Rick Jones was horribly injured and needed to be healed. Red She-Hulk/Betty Banner was insane and needed to be cured. Skaar and Korg needed a place to call home. It's not silly. It's noble and selfless.
Hulk and Banner knew that if they would pummel Zeus nearly to death, he wouldn't do it period. But if he tried to convince him or sacrifice himself to the Gods, then perhaps out of mercy Zeus would have given his family what they deserved.
@demigawd Some things cannot be accomplished through power, but by sacrificing oneself through any means to get their reward. In this case, Hulk and Banner decided to confront Zeus, remain calm, not fight back, and die with honor and hope that his family would be given what they deserve. That was what Greg Pak wanted to show. It wasn't that Hulk couldn't defeat Zeus, nor that he was outclassed. In fact, Hulk is one of the only beings whose power can challenge Zeus' own!
@demigawd In other words, Hulk and Sky-Fathers like Zeus & Odin are more evenly matched and near the same level of power then most would dare to admit.
wow u guys can argue but it is true hulk was holding back with zeus and he would take down superman just not with the professor its my opinion and my buddies all agree marvel is better just our opinion too but it was enjoyable to read what u guys had to say we liked all of it me and my buddies are combat vets and just reading your arguements shows us still has fight in them just makes us feel better thanks BUT the real question whos hotter she hulk or wonder woman look past the green skin though
@GreenScar90 lol DC only needs batman and superman to beat all marvel, even if both entire universes collide DC still has a superiority in number, green, sinestro, red, black, blue, etc... corps, every corp has thousands of members across the universe, marvel would get owned badly...
silver surfer alone could beat the justice league marvel is way kooler n more powerful than dc that's my opinion all the heralds of galactus could be more than enough to beat dc n pl don't say superman could beat any herald cuz he can't plus there's still thor hulk dr doom apocalyspe eternity all the phoniexs n so on just saying
For more proof that Marvel is better than DC, let's see who has the better film coming out this year. The Avengers or The Dark Knight Rises? Let's see. The Avengers!
@GreenScar90 , Yeah right Anti Monitor, Spectre, Superman prime, Krona, Parallax, are some DC chars that would make short work of SS & Hulk especially. Doomsday, Superman, ION, Black Adam, Captain Marvel, Orion, Darkseid would be enough to make them fight to their full potential. Hell I'm sure the good ole batman coud find some way to beat the hulk oh wait he already did LOL.
@Fernando072295 Considering that even Thor's most powerful lightning attack is nothing compared to the one that Zeus striked Hulk with (which was the same size and power of the thunderbolt that toppled an very weakened Galactus during Chaos War, consumed the entire summit of Mt. Olympus. Proof is in one of the panels of Incredible Hulk #622), Hulk would just get back up and continue the fight. Besides, any level-headed fan agrees that Hulk, Thor, and Silver Surfer are equals.
@Fernando072295 If you don't think Hulk & Thor are equals, then consider this. Both Hulk & Thor have defeated characters equal to or surpassing Pre-Crisis Superman.
@GreenScar90 You think Hulk and Thor are pre crisis supes level? The Supes who moved a solar system with brute strength? OMG I'm done here, this is pointless. The fanboyism is too strong in you.
@GrimmRebellion Pre-Crisis Superman pushed planets and snuffed out a star, which is nothing compared to what Hulk, Thor, and the Silver Surfer has done in their long history.
Bottom line: Marvel owns DC. Marvel has better and more powerful characters, which are also more interesting and realistic. Any one of Marvel's top cosmic powerhouses could lay waste to the DC Universe. Examples The One-Above-All/GOD, Living Tribunal, Eternity, Galactus, Infinity, Death, The Celestials, etc.
Marvel's Heroes could beat the snot out of DC's heroes. Examples: Captain America, Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Hercules, Ms. Marvel, The Avengers, The X-Men, etc.
I'm done here. Nothing else to prove because, like it or not, I've already stated the facts. If you don't like them. Fine. Then don't reply. I've got better things to do than waste my time with those who refuse to understand hard facts and logic.
@GreenScar90 As I said, neither of us are right. But I take offense in you thinking you are. You need to grow up. You need to consider all the facts. You need to understand that no one is right or wrong. But you are making people angry because of the way you think your right. Truth is, you're probably just a man or boy trying to prove to himself that he and what he believes in is what everybody needs to believe in.
Who's going to stand up to that? This is the real threat of characters like the Hulk. One of the worst technological dangers born out of the atomic age.This is why everyone except The One Above All/GOD, The Living Tribunal, Galactus, the Abstracts (Death, Eternity, Infinity, etc.) and Celestials should be scared.
Bottom Line: The Hulk is the Strongest One There Is!!!!
@GreenScar90 Well, not really as The One Above All can just kill him easily. Just think him out of existence is what he has to do. Anyway, not only can King Thor or Rune King Thor defeat WWH or Nul, but Lord Marvel would obliterate him. Lord Marvel being Captain Marvel turned Keeper of the Rock of Eternity.In theory, Marvel could eaither put his fist through the Hulks head at super speed or simply fly the Hulk in to space before the Hulk realised what was happening.
@AoDPhoenix Also, Lord Marvel is Omnipotent in ALL the magic in the DCU, since he is the centre of it. He has the powers of every God, and every mystical being. He has great strength aswell. Enough that he is at Sky Father level in DC! You may not know how powerful the DC Gods are, but I can assure you they are many many times above Sky Fathers of the MU. Lord Marvel is much more powerful than Hulk at his best.......
@AoDPhoenix ...Whilst battling the Spectre before he bacame LM and was still Captain Marvel, he was being powered by all of the magic in the DCU. His punches were shattering multiple dimensions. MULTIPLE. So if CM was only powered for a brief period of time, and LM was powered all the time, then LM is most definitely more powerful than any version of the Hulk. You say WWH ripped apart one dimension? Lord Marvel can destroy many dimensions in just a few punches.
@AoDPhoenix Once again you proivde nothing but your own stupid opinion with very little facts. Lord Marvel is a lame hero, whom not only Hulk can trash, but a great deal of mystical powerhouses could tear apart with but a gesture. Don't even start with DC crappy gods and characters. I'll take Marvel over DC any day of the week, because other than Batman and his villains, DC has little to nothing to offer.Not to mention their storylines and characters are too much fantasy/unrealistic.
@GreenScar90 It's not my opinion. I actually research this info and know some of it from memory of reading the issues that the info comes from. And you do know that saying Marvel is better than DC is nothing but your opinion? I think DC is better, but doesn't mean I'm right. You think Marvel better but it doesn't mean your right. I think Lord Marvel would thrash Hulk but You think Hulk would thrash everybody and LM. Neither of us is right.
@AoDPhoenix Hulk didn't just rip apart one dimension. In fact, in the past during Bill Mantlo's run following Incredible Hulk #300. Hulk dispalyed such power that his mere blows threatened to tear apart hundreds of dimensions throughout the Crossroads of All Realities.
The only time Hulk shows a significant amount of his real potential is in World-Breaker mode. In this state he's not just annoyed, or even little upset, he is unrestrained wrath. As the World-Breaker, he isn't just the Hulk standard tough, he's the worst and most volatile engine of mass destruction in the galaxy/universe.
If the Hulk is intent on smashing you and you're not super cosmiced-up, then say yours prayers. Even the big guys of the cosmos know not to invite trouble like that! If you're thinking of labeling the Hulk as some super powered thug who beats on most of everyone in the Marvel Universe then you might be right, but then again... doesn't everyone else do the exact same thing? When Hulk does it, it's fun to watch!
If the Hulk wanted to become a menace, or even use his strength indiscriminately, then we're all in deep trouble (up a steep hill, a slippery slope, up the creek, down the river, etc). You get the picture?
Come on guys! How much good did a gamma bomb do when he was Bruce Banner? The more you nuke him(even with gamma bombs), the stronger he gets. You'd just be pumping him up and making him stronger, you hear? How you gonna stop the gamma engine of destruction? Beg? Give him a hug? Go get his girlfriend? Better call his buddy the Sentry or Thor. Oh, wait! That doesn't work very well if he's decided that he won't calm down and stop himself even a little bit.
The Hulk being many times more powerful than the gamma bomb. It takes a substantial amount of force to bother him, and much more to hurt/affect him before it ends up just making him stronger. You all know that even when the Hulk is hit with enough force to hurt him, it ends to little affect because he's just a guy who won't stay down for long because of his abilities. A gamma bomb does as much good as shooting or trying to poison wolverine but we all know Hulk is on another level of tough.
If you have enough adamantium, you can contain small doses of gamma rays but they're not effetive on the Hulk. Don't even try the low tech way of trying to cut him with adamantium with an insuffiecient force of gamma burst to back it up. The Hulk's skin is hard to cut and much harder to cut deep.
So you try to poison/or depower him through any means in order to physically cripple his strength. Well... he's resistant to that too. If you've got the cosmic muscle it might work but chances are it won't work and will just cause him to produce more gamma energy in response to the physical stress and resist it.
It's a simple concept even when talking about superpowers. After all it's just super power. An additional attribute(s) which normal humans don't have (It's all about what is and what is not when comparing the species along with how much material you're working with). If you're a big super dude in his class, then you'll feel like just when you think you've got him on the ropes he just bounces back from the brink. You throw the book at him, but all that blunt force just makes him stronger.
The more gamma energy he takes in and his body produces as a result, the stronger he gets. Just to clarify: His power does not comes from his anger. His anger does not make him strong. His anger just helps to increase the rate of energy absorbtion and production which makes him stronger. The Hulk is strong in the first place because of the great power of gamma rays, people! Why does nobody understand that?!
You can only get so angry, but the Hulk does have to worry about that and overcomes this limitation since he's a living engine of gamma radiation. A powerhouse that he can draw upon the unlimited resource of gamma energy and continually expand his power whenever exerting himself. He takes in, adapts and augments his power according the the amount of energy he absorbs. He has the abilty draw upon and absorb to produce more energy, grow tougher, and get stronger.
The only thing stoping him is his mind. Whether he wants to stop and controlling when he stops (he can always let it all go and turn back into Banner... for now). Please don't be confused as to think he has limitless anger. That is not the case. No matter how big or how strong, for any life form there is a limit to how much you push yourself physically/emotionally.
His energy escalation increase spikes on a whim even when he's not that angry since the Hulk is Banner's angry/emotional subconscious mind personified to begin with. Making Banner and the Hulk really angry is what can be troublesome. Anger increases the rate at which his vast strength continues to expand and there is no finfite limit to how much he can grow in power as the only thing needed is anger to draw upon the unlimited gamma energy that flows ambient throughout the entire universe.
His body uses, produces, absorbs, adapts,and expands in growth to gamma radiation. Hulk's strength and power grows the more radiation he takes in.The more he grows in gamma output/strength, the easier he absorbs radiation and at a higher exponential rate.Thought and feeling turned to emotion reaction is heightened greatly(mental side effects; focused mind/adrenaline rush/anger/fear/fight or flight)which requires him to maintain control of himself or risk unleashing his power to endanger others.
Once again, I provide hard evidence and facts, and the rest of the Hulk-Haters or those who think they know the Hulk, or haven't even purchased the comics think they can outsource me? None of you like the facts, because you can't handle the truth.
Oh, and the Gardener (with one of the Infinity Gems) and the Collector aren't super cosmic? And neither is Onslaught (armor & power Celestial levels) or Galaxy Master (rivals that of the most powerful Sky-Fathers)? These beings are more powerful than Surfer and rival the most powerful Sky-Fathers! Yes, Hulk can withstand the God-Blast. If you've seen or read every Hulk comic through the characters 50 + year history, you can see that he's taken much worse punishment.
I could go on to show more proof to support my facts, but I realize that I'm wasting my time. Hulk wanted to lose to Zeus, remained calm and didn't fight back, because he wanted his family to get the help they needed. The Hulk could have defeated Zeus and beat the SkyFather within an inch of his life, but would that have given his family what they needed?No, it would not, which is why he allowed himself to be beaten. Anyone who has read the issues that follow or happened before truly know it.
@GreenScar90 A few things should be pointed out: first, in Hulks 621 it says "another foolish hero rises to challenge the gods", which means means Hulk came to Olympus to rumble; second, while Hulk was at Olympus on behalf of his family, it doesn't say anywhere that Hulk deliberately threw his fight with Zeus; third, Hulk didn't defeat any Titans before confronting Zeus; and last, Hera says "among mortals you be be the strongest there is, but Father Zeus could vaporize you with a thought." ....
@staley1981 Actually, Greg Pak indicated that Hulk did throw the fight and the part where he told his family to run before they "ruined everything" and Zeus & Hera remarked of Hulk's sacrifice and how he was deliberately doing so. And, no, there is no shame losing to a Sky-Father that is equal to Odin. If anything, the fight proves not only how selfless and heroic Hulk is, but also how powerful he is in a calm state.That easily puts him at least on Thanos-level, who got owned by Odin
@staley1981 Hulk did withstand some of the most powerful attacks from Poseidon, Apollo, Artemis, Boreas, and fought an army of centuars, gorgons, and cyclops (who appeared to be the original three that helped the Gods defeat the Titans) before confronting Zeus and just mere hours from enduring the brutal confrontation with Devil Hulk, Amped Abomination, Amped Zom, and saving reality from the Chaos King by battling all the dark gods as Herc took on Mikaboshi.
@GreenScar90, LoL you're delusional if you think hulk could beat a skyfather within an inch of their life. Hulk is better off sticking to his power set class of juggernaut, abomination, absorbing man, wonder man, hercules, doc samson, etc. Skyfathers are galaxy busters & casual planet busters hulk loses even on a bad day.
Hulk can never surpass Sky Father level power because Sky Fathers don't rely on their strength. Strength is not power. Can strength stop Hulk from being teleported to the center of the sun? Can strength punch back a God blast from Thor's Mjolnir?
@AoDPhoenix The whole King Thor/Reigning storyline was total PIS bullshit and isn't even in 616 continuity. And he fought Professor Hulk and Thing. He impaled Professor Hulk, but even I know that even that incarnation has endured far worse than that!
@GreenScar90 What are you a retard? King Thor killed World Breaker Hulk (you know the one with the hammer) and The Thing simultaneously with one arm. in the Fear Itself story line.
@AoDPhoenix Once again, you've mixed up and proven nothing. Thor battled Hulk and Thing, who were possessed by the entities Nul & Angrir during Fear Itself! Thor defeated Angrir-Thing, but fought Nul-Hulk to a standstill, admitting that he can't beat Hulk and that he never could, which allowed him to BFR Nul-Hulk from the battlefield before collapsing.
@AoDPhoenix He didn't kill Nul-Hulk, idiot! Nul-Hulk went on a rampage across Darcula's kingdom until Hulk broke free of his possession by crushing Nul's hammer (which is equal to that and made of the same enchanted uru metal that Thor's hammer Mjolnir is created from)! Get your facts straight!
@GreenScar90 oh my God, please, you didn't read that issue did you. At the time Thor was King Thor and he simultaneously killed Nul-Hulk and thing with one arm. Nul-Hulk went flying up into orbit!! Your an asstard. Don't tell me to get my facts straight. You can even research it on the internet for crying out loud!
@AoDPhoenix It was in Thor Reigining storyline that Rune King Thor killed a regular Thing and Professor Hulk. It was in the latest Fear Itself storyline that Thor defeated Angrir-Thing and fought Nul-Hulk to a standstill before BFR'ing Nul-Hulk and collapsing from exhaustion while Nul-Hulk continued to rampage in Dracula's Kingdom. Get your facts straight, idiot!
@GreenScar90 WTF!? I'm talking about the mainstream continuity. Did you even read my comment? King Thor is different to Rune King Thor. And Rune King Thor is apart of the mainstream continuity aswell.
@AoDPhoenix Ripping the Dark Dimension asunder isn't on Sky-Father level? Killing a ultra amped Fin Fang Foom, Lord Armageddon (an equal to the Silver Surfer), Wendigo, Bi-Beast, all the Mindless Ones (which not even Umar or Dormmamu could accomplish and their mystical might rivals Sky-Fathers), demons, monsters, and goblins within seconds? Let's see. What's larger? A galaxy or dimension? Answer: A Dimension.
So when even he is World Breaker Hulk he cannot defeat the Odin Force Thor who was at the same level as Odin. My point is you can't say what you don't know is real. It's possible but it's never happened. It probably won't either. Don't call me a retarded insect because you know by being a whiny little bitch you could believe in something thats not true. Face it, you are just saying all of this because YOU WANT IT TO BE TRUE when it's not.
@AoDPhoenix I've got proof and you don't. It just irritates you that I'm right and you're wrong. Hulk destroyed an entire dimension/cosmos/universe in Incredible Hulk #126 with a thunderclap! Destroyed a weapon created by the Gods to fight the Celestials in Incredible Hulk #242-243! A God-Blast from Thor's Mjolnir couldn't kill Hulk. Hurt him, yes, but he's taking far worse than that. In fact, he's taken beatings worse than Zeus given him and fought back and defeated his enemies.
You simply do not like the facts that which are shown and proven. Greg Pak and Marvel even stated that if OdinForce Thor would have fought the Green Scar/Green King Hulk instead of the Sentry, the outcome would have been the same. Hulk's power levels in World War Hulk were at a point where he was more powerful than any mortal and most immortals, super-powerful cosmic enity or otherwise, to ever walk the Earth. And it was revealed that even then Hulk was holding back in Incredible Hulks #634!
Odin is not omnipotent, but his Odinforce actually grants him nigh-powerful abilities. He has actually teleported beings to the very edges of the universe with a blink of his eye and sent them away to unbreakable cages. So do more research please and stop being a complete RETARD on the internet.
@AoDPhoenix I know my facts, you insolent insulting retarded insect! If you ask anyone who is level-headed, they would tell you that Hulk, Thor, and the Silver Surfer are equals, but the'r abilities/powers have limits, which the Hulk can surpass! And I never said Hulk could defeat The One Above All or the Living Tribunal, idiot!
@GreenScar90 No you said, Hulk could challenge any of these beings, I thought you meant by challenge he could fight and win. I never said Sky Fathers are on the same levels as those cosmic beings. I said even Odin is just a spec to the likes of Living Tribunal or The One Above All. How do you know Hulk can defeat Sky Father level beings? He has never beaten them. He lost to an Odin Force Thor, when he was World Breaker Hulk, who was a Sky Father at the time. Did good, but stood NO chance.
@AoDPhoenix Onslaught raw power and armor are Celestial level in might. Hulk defeated him. Galaxy Master is on the same power level as Sky-Fathers (Incredible Hulk #111-112 & Incredible Hulk #269-270). Hulk destroyed him. Hulk defeated the Gardener (one of the elders of the Universe who possessed one of the Infinity gems at the time in Incredible Hulk #247-248) and the Collector (another elder of the Universe in Incredible Hulk #198).
@AoDPhoenix In that What If: World War Hulk story, OdinForce Thor and Green Scar fought to a standstill. In one of Pak's original scripts, it was OdinForce Thor who battles Hulk in the end instead of the Sentry and loses in the end.
@GreenScar90 sorry, the hulk can't "surpass" the god blast especially at full force. Hulk has never defeated a cosmic being. hulks best feats are taking on a whole team of avengers & stalemating the sentry. Sky-fathers aren't on the level of higher level cosmic beings but they for sure are higher than hulk & most other mortals. the cosmic power leveled beings start with heralds like silver surfer & the then the sky-fathers & go up from there hulk has no chance get over it!
@AoDPhoenix Hulk nor any Sky-Father are on the level of Eternity, Galactus, Death, Infinity, etc. Can Hulk match and surpass aSky-Fathers in power? Yes, if you think realistically about his powers. Can he challenge the most powerful cosmic beings? Yes. Can he defeat them? No. Can the Sky-Fathers? No.
You are the most arrogant hulk fan ever. You insulted me when you called me a Hulk Hater. He is one of my favourite comic book characters of all time. Are you really stupid enough to think that Hulk could destroy everything in the MU. EVEN THE ONE ABOVE ALL OR LIVING TRIBUNAL!? No, not even at his best, nor Odin or Zeus. Like you said before: Can they Destroy him? Yes Odin can, he can send him away to the center of the hottest star in the universe and let him burn forever, and he can't fly.
You can't just say Hulk can do anything if he hasn't shown it yet. Besides, you just rely on his brute strength. No, only idiots woud think of the Gods such as Thor or Odin and Zeus as Omnipotent and on the same level as The One Above All/GOD. Odin is just a spec to even the Living Tribunal. He is o the same level as a human is to himself when compared to the Living Tribunal. Also, Living Tribunal is second only to The One Above All, as he is literally Omnipotent, but not omniscient, omnipresent
....I like Hulk because he is the strongest one there is. I liked because he WAS the strongest one there is before all of the cosmic characters or god like Thor came along "Stan Lee himself stated: How do you make a character who is stronger than the strongest one there is...You make him a God" when he created Thor. He intended for him to be stronger and more powerful. You can personally e-mail any Marvel artist or inker etc and ask them who is stronger. They WILL say Thor.
Now, if Hulk learns how to harness and truly unleash the limitless power of gamma rays, one day he might be able to rival Galactus in a similar manner that Tyrant used to rival the World-Devourer when Tyrant was first created.
What disgusts me even more is those who think that Odin, Zeus, or Thor are comparable to beings like The One Above All/GOD, the Living Tribunal, Eternity, Galactus, Infinity, and the Celestials! At his most powerful, Hulk could challenge any of these being with the exception of the One Above All/GOD or Living Tribunal, but even I am willing to admit that he couldn't defeat them... at least not in his current stage.
I find it to be very hypocritical when people thinks it okay if Thor defeats Sky-Father level powerhouses, yet cry foul when Hulk does the same thing. Proven fact that most who post here or follow Fernando072295 are just pure Hulk-Haters who can't stand it when the Green Goliath does something with his bare hands that Thor can't accomplish without his hammer Mjolnir, his father's OdinForce, or his father's armor or weapons (like the sword Ragnorak).
God forbid if Hulk would seek revenge on Zeus and kill the Sky-Father later down the road! Then all the haters and Thor pricks would lose their minds! You all act that Hulk isn't capable of defeating/killing Sky-Father level beings, but he has! Onslaught, whose armor and raw power were Celestial level in power. Hulk defeat him. Galaxy Master, whose power rivals that of Sky-Fathers. Hulk destroyed him too!
Hulk can beat that guy no Odin can beat the other guy bla bla bla Stan Lee is GOD in the Marvel universe and he can do whatever he wants just using his pencil so stfu with who is better or whatever
Hulk can beat that guy no Odin can beat the other guy bla bla bla Stan Lee is GOD in the Marvel universe and he can do whatever he wants just using his pencil so stfu with who is better or whatever
Hulk can beat that guy no Odin can beat the other guy bla bla bla Stan Lee is GOD in the Marvel universe and he can do whatever he wants just using his pencil so stfu with who is better or whatever
Nobody here seems to think about Hulk's power realistically, especially when considering he has a limitless source of one of the most powerful energies known to exist that can empower him beyond even the Gods themselves! The Beyonder himself stated that the Hulk's power was infinite, and if the words of one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe doesn't convince you, then you're just in denial... or a pure Hulk-Hater.
@GreenScar90 The hulks power is not infinite, the sentry has proven this multiple times. Zues has proven it, thanos has proven it, Juggernaut has proven it, wolverine has proven it, the Amomination has proven it, Red hulk has procen it. Evryone I've listed has KOed the Hulk. The beyonders claim means nothing, he is an idiot. Plain and simple. He wields vast power but fials at using it effectively.
@GrimmRebellion Hulk's power is infinite! Zeus was going against a calm Hulk, not even near Green Scar level of rage or power and even farther from World-Breaker power levels! The only time Red Hulk, Abomination, or Wolverine got the best of Hulk was when they faced weaker incarnations such as the Savage Hulk or Gray Hulk. Once again you prove to know nothing.
@GreenScar90 His power is not infinite, he has been overpwered by Juggernaut, Sentry, Wendigo, Abomination, Thanos, Red Hulk, Thor, etc... the list goes on man. OMG Green Scar is WWH, if you haven't noticed the Green Scar is always more calm than the Savage Hulk. He has better control of his rage and thus is stronger. lol
@GrimmRebellion Once again, you prove to know nothing. In every confrontation, Hulk has pretty much owned and stopped the unstoppable Juggernaut more than once(Incredible Hulk #172, Incredible Hulk #404, Incredible Hulk #457, and World War Hulk: X-men #2-3). Thanos wielded the Infinity Gauntlet and pretty much owned everyone, so that doesn't matter. Abomination's got kicked around and defeated numerous times. Red Hulk and Thor have likewise gotten their asses kicked from the Hulk
@GreenScar90 The Juggernaut koed the Hulk, look it up, he was not even wearing his amor when he did it. lol. The Hulk has never won against Juggernaut without BFR. He simply can't. Even the Green Scar had to BFR him. lol. Abomination nearly killed the Hulk twice in the old days and currently has soloed the Gama Family, including Green Scar. lol. Red Hulk manhandled the Savage Hulk, hulk needed Abom and Thor to soften him up. lol
@GrimmRebellion Yes, because Red Hulk was created by the very energy (a fraction of the World-Breaker Hulk's energy to be precise. He fought the Hulk family, but he certainly didn't defeat them and even then was extremely amped by the Chaos King as was Zom, idiot! Juggernaut KO'ed Professor Hulk by surprise and knocked him out two issues later from the mental backlash of freeing himself from mind control!
@GreenScar90 More fanboyism, priceless, your user name is very fitting:) Yes, resort to more name calling when your argument fails., hahaha Abomination was not amped by the Chaos King:) Dr. Strange stated that he had gotten stronger simply by sirviving in hell for so long. Juggernaut Koed the Hulk, live with it:) Hulk has never and will never do the same.
@GrimmRebellion Abomination was amped by the Chaos King! During his first confrontation with the Hulk Team, A-Bomb/Rick Jones notices and Abomination confirms it. Strange simply said he was the strongest in the underworld, even before the Chaos King killed the lords of hell.
A-Bomb: You're stronger than you used to be, huh?
Abomination: Yes, Rick Jones, my master has perfected me.
@GrimmRebellion Yes, Juggernaut sneak-attacked and KO'ed the Professor Hulk. Two issues later (Incredible Hulk #404), Professor Hulk knocked out the Juggernaut. And in Incredible Hulk #457, Juggernaut was seconds away from being decapitated. In World War Hulk: X-Men #2, Hulk KO'ed Juggernaut again. So... what was that you were saying that Hulk could never do the same, eh? :)
@GreenScar90 Hulk did not knock out juggernaut, I just reread every issue you listed, try again:) WWH Koed a depowered Juggernaut, as soon as Juggs got his full stength back Hulk had to resort to BFR, as always. Lol
@GrimmRebellion Yes, a weakened not fully powered Juggernaut, but still Juggernaut nonetheless. Hulk KO'ed a fully powered Juggernaut in Incredible Hulk #404, so there's my proof.
@GrimmRebellion You obviously know nothing of the Hulk, his personas, or even his power levels which are beyond comprehension. It doesn't even pay for me to waste my time on you morons.
@GreenScar90 I know more than you, obviously, since I'm not being bloinded by fanboyism ;) his incarnations strength levels vary widely. Some are capable of fighting Sentyr while others have been slaughtered by wolverine. lol.
@GreenScar90 World Breaker is Hulk at his strongest, he shattered city blocks and nearly sunk half a continent by walking, but was still defeated by a satilite laser beam. Green Scar is the second strongest form of the Hulk. He has been matched by juggernaut and Sentry. And KOed by Zues, brutally. His loss to Zues is his most devasting defeat yet. Any of the cosmics you me ntioned would blink him out of existence.
@GrimmRebellion Once again, people like you prove to know nothing. The Beyonder is a being whose power makes Sky-Fathers look like insects by comparison. Hulk wanted to be stopped in World War Hulk, because if he wouldn't have allowed himself to do so, he would have torn the planet to pieces with a few footsteps... and it took only one to nearly sink a good portion of the U.S. continent! World-Breaker fully unleashed annihilated the entire Dark Dimension!
@GreenScar90 OMG... another fanboy:) The beyonder is an idiot, he lost to Doctor Doom. Hulk wanted to be stopped, ok, that didn't mean his power suddenly decreased. He lost control he was releasing world shattering amounts of power. But still was defeated by a satilite:) Beta Ray Bill one shottede a planet, and he is below Zeus. World Breaker has done no such thing. Stop pulling shit out of your ass.
@GrimmRebellion He was holding back and wanted to be stopped, idiot! He even stated that in Incredible Hulks #634, and it that very same issue he annihilated the Dark Dimension! This is a fact, Hulk-Hater!
@GreenScar90 He lost control of his power moron, lol, that's why he wanted to be stopped. He had reached a level of power that he could not control! Do I need to dumb that down for you! lol I love hulk fanboys!
@GreenScar90 I have stated the obvious and pointed out flaws in your arguments, you have yet to prove anything. Well except that Hulk fanboys are just as dumb as I remember. :)
@GrimmRebellion It is you who ignore facts and prove nothing. If anything, you've proven to be ignorant of comics, the events that take place, storylines, and everything else.
@GrimmRebellion So what that Beta Ray Bill one-shotted a planet? Big deal! Gray Hulk, one of the weaker incarnations, shattered an asteroid twice the size of Earth in one blow (In Marvel Comics Presents #52)! He overpowered and destroyed the Crypto-Man, whose power was greater than Thor's and capable of shattering Earth (Incredible Hulk #205)! Overpowered and BFR'ed a warrior madness Thor (Incredible Hulk #440)! Once again you prove nothing, little gnat!
@GreenScar90 And yet hulk had to reach his strongest incarnation to be able to break the earth. lol you make no sense :). Hulk was defeated by a freaking wendigo, something sabretooth killed. Need I say more? lol
@ertren6 Exactly! Hulk even destroyed an entire dimension/cosmos/universe before in Incredible Hulk #126, for crying out loud! Then when Hulk destroys the Dark Dimension in Incredible Hulks #634, the haters and Thor/Sky-Father Hypocrites get all ticked because it just irritates them that The Hulk can do things without some mystical weapon, armor, or GodForce/OdinForce.
@GrimmRebellion No, we haven't see Hulk at his most powerful! He could shatter planets with a single blow if he wanted, or even a few footsteps, but he holds back out of fear of killing everyone and everything. It is fear of his vast power that forces himself to restrain himself!
@GreenScar90 Doctor Doom is smart, ok, he is not a cosmic being capable of creating galaxies with his thoughts. The Beyonder is. If Doom were as dangerous as you believe he would not lose to The Fantastic Four so often. He lost to Sentry, a being who is far below the Beyonder. He lost to Thor who is not even Sentry level. lol
@GrimmRebellion Dr. Doom's intelligence is more than enough to best even the most powerful beings under the right circumstances. The only reason he loses is because of his arrogance and the fact that Reed Richards intellect rivals his own.
@GrimmRebellion We haven't seen Hulk at his most powerful yet! The World-Breaker is powerful, but it is still only a fraction of the real potential that he's capable of! Hera bragging about Zeus being able to destroy him with a thought is just her being arrogant as always. If Odin, who is an equal to Zeus, would challenge him, Hera would make similar threats to try to scare him. Like Hulk told her and Zeus: You can't scare me!
@GreenScar90 Odin says Zeus is his equal because of his wisdom and his respect for Zeus. Odin literally has the power to send Hulk to the edge of the Universe with just the blink of his eye as I already have said. You need to do more research on the people you say Hulk could so easily defeat even at his best.
@AoDPhoenix Yeah, they could do that, but could they destroy him? No, they can't. But it doesn't pay for me to argue with you or anyone else here, because most of you here a nothing but Hulk-Haters. Bottom Line: If Hulk wanted to defeat Zeus, if Hulk wanted to beat him within an inch of his life, if he wanted to kill Zeus... he could do it! However, it wouldn't get him what he wanted, which was to help his family. Thus, Hulk instead chosen to throw the fight and sacrifice himself.
@GreenScar90 You are really arrogant. Thinking you know everything. I am a DC fan. My top 3 heroes are Batman, Captain America and Captain Marvel. Hulk, is my 4th favourite hero of all time. I like Batman because he is the most skilled and most strong willed in the DC Universe. I like Captain America because he always fights for the good purpose. And Captain Marvel because he is just a kid but he knows to fight for good. And kids tend to be selfish. read my next comment on the vid....
@GreenScar90 World Breaker is his strongest, they stated in the comic, herll marvel said it. Fanboyism blinds you. You are bases you arguement on opinion, you can't prove any of this, I can prove everything I said. Zues has defeated the entire avengers including Thor, he's defeated the Titans, all of them are easily above hulk, Zeus has always considered Odin his equal and Hera knows this, she and other Greek Gods have always shown him repsect because of his power.
@GrimmRebellion Hulk intentionally throwed the fight. He wanted to die. He willingly sacrificed himself to give his family. He didn't fight back, stayed calm, and allowed Zeus to go all-out on him. That doesn't make him below their level. Zeus defeated the Avengers, Including Thor. So has Hulk on numerous occassions. Zeus didn't defeat the Titans alone, for he had help from all the other Greek Gods of Olympus. Hulk defeated the monsters and titans before confronting Zeus.
@GreenScar90 Can you prove this? From what I can see Hulk attempted tgo defeat a God and lost fair and sqaure, even on his own terms. Only fan boys try to make up imaginary reasons for why thier fav just lost. lol dude, you crack me up. Hulk has never defeated the entire avengers, stop making shit up. Zues defeated the strongest of the Titans, while being outnumbered at some point. Hulk defeated a bunch of lo tier centours and cyclops, no titans.
@GrimmRebellion Want proof? I've got it. Incredible Hulks #623- Hulk stated himself during a conversation with She-Hulk and the others just 24 hours after fighting Zeus, and I quote:
She-Hulk: This isn't right.
Hulk: That's what I was trying to explain to Zeus. But the Gods aren't going to help us.
@GreenScar90 No where in that sentence does he claim to be holding back, also he only tried talking to Zues when it became clear that Zeus is his superior in combat:)
You want proof? Fine. As always, I've got to educate those who merely insult or act like total jackasses to make themselves feel good because they can't handle the facts. Zeus didn't hold back in amping his strength nor the very devine lighting that encased his hands! Zeus said he would beat Hulk to death, but that doesn't mean he was going to hold back in the very least. Zeus without amping his strength is only Class 90 ton strength.
@GreenScar90 As I said before non of what you say can be proven, you can state baseless claim after baseless claim, it's not going to make it any more true. Zeus said and nearly did it with his bare hands, you can't prove that the lightening increases his strength or not and even if it did, the Hulks strength increases as well so it really doesn't matter. Zues without amping lifted a mountain, if you think that is 90 tons then I really feel sorry for you.
@GrimmRebellion I've give hard facts and true claims, while you can't offer anything to support your false claims and asshole antics. Hulk lost because he wanted to, thus remained calm
@GreenScar90 Absolute bullshit; a pathetic attempt by a Hulk fanboy; Zeus cleaned his clock with a massive display of power-Hulk seemed pretty revved up to me; but he got OWNED by Zeus-yes, nice to be able to use the Hulkamaniacs favorite word.
As to DC-Superman, Mon-El,Supergirl, Ultra-Boy, the Spectre, Black Adam, Captain Marvel, and Dr. Fate are tough cookies.
@GrimmRebellion If you don't like the truth, don't respond because I've best your pathetic claims since the first post and offered solid facts, while you've yet to deliver anything.
@GrimmRebellion Hulk has withstood 100 trillion tons of force from an impact of Skaar's Old Power strike, which sent him crashing hundreds of miles away, shattering a mountain in West Virginia and got right back up unharmed! Zeus, even with amping his strength enough to break Hulk's ribs and send a massive chunk of Mt. Olympus crashing down with the Hulk atop the very sea monster the other Hulks were fighting.
@GreenScar90 I have that comic too, Skaar never hit Hulk with that much force, hain;t nearly that strong. He simply can control the earths tecttonic plates and use them as a weapon, other than that his base strength is less than the Hulks. Are you really trying to compare Skaar to Zeus? The kid who couldn't even take down one of Zeus's pets or the kid who stalemated Ares? lol
@GrimmRebellion Incredible Hulks #611. 100 trillions tons of force. I've got you long figured out. You just look over scans and think you know, but you don't know shit!
@GrimmRebellion My point is this. Hulk's healing factor can overcome anything, unless he is in a very calm state of being, because collapsed lung and broke ribs are nothing to the Hulk. Skaar used the Old Power to literally shred Hulk's flesh and rip through his bones like a hot knife through butter, Vector burnt Hulk's flesh down to nearly a skeleton only to have him recover in seconds!
@GreenScar90 The Hulk as been killed in many different timelines, the Sentinels killed him before, Hyperion killed him, Thanos killed two of him, Zeus could have killed him but chose not to. Skaar is not comparable to anyone I mentioned.
@GrimmRebellion By the way, the King Hyperion that killed Hulk from that other universe came into the Marvel 616 Universe and got owned by a depowered Juggernaut and the Thunderbolts!
@GrimmRebellion Zom punched holes through Hulk and blasted him with destructive mystical energies, only for Hulk to soon recover once again and defeat the powerful demon. Therefore, in order for Zeus to harm Hulk, he had to amp his strength to the max along with the very devine lightning bolts (the very same that Hera claimed that could vaporize Hulk with a gesture/thought with) and Hulk had to remain calm in order to not bounce back and beat the living hell out of Zeus.
@GreenScar90 Sentry pushed Hulks healing to it's limits, wolverine as Death sliced up the Hulk so bad he passed out and then Wolverine dragged him back to theXavier Institute. Oh here we go again, you can't prove Zues amped anything. for all we know the lightening is a natural ocurrence or just electrifies his enemies but does not increase strength. Yeah Hulk was calm? This is WWH he always looked less angry than his savage cointer part. He lost get over it.
@GrimmRebellion Sentry didn't push shit. Zeus official strength is 90 ton class without amping. Look it up or read official Marvel Guides! You once again know nothing!
@GrimmRebellion Want more proof. Hulk told his family to leave. There was method to his madness. He was sacrificing himself. He wanted to die. Thus he remained calm and allowed Zeus to win.
Hulk: Get out of here! Before you ruin everything!
Then, once Hera approached to brag like the bitch she has always been in comics and mythology, Hulk once again clearly stated his attentions and why he wasn't fight back.
Hulk: Doesn't matter... just give them what you owe them.
@GreenScar90 I want proof period. Hulk told them to stay out of the battle because he wanted to defeat Zeus on his own. How hard is that to understand? It's pretty clear.
Hulk never stated that he wasn't fighitng back he simply believed that the Gods owed him and his family and came there to collect.
@GrimmRebellion That is proof. Ask any level-head comic book reader or ask the writer Pak himself, who even explained in several interviews that Hulk losing to Zeus was his intentions.
@GrimmRebellion Hulk, Ares, Hercules, and Athena alone defeated the titans, the giants, and all the other enemies of Olympus that escaped from Tartarus... including Cronus (Hulk vs. Hercules: When Titans Collide). Zeus and Hercules even stated that if the Sky-Father and the Greek Gods went to war against the Hulk that it would raise Mt. Olympus itself (Hulk vs. Hercules: Unleashed).
@boywonder228 Not just with his fist, but fist encased with his powerful devine lightning (the very same that Hera claimed could vaporize/incinerate Hulk with a thought/gesture.). As to Hulk losing, that was clearly his and Banner's intention from the very beginning. He wanted to die. He wished to selflessly sacrifice himself for his family, so that they would get what they needed. Which is why he remained calm, didn't fight back, and let Zeus beat him.
@GrimmRebellion Zeus barely managed to defeat Typhon. In fact, Typhon defeated Zeus in their first encounter It was in the second fight that Zeus defeated Typhon by slamming Mt. Etna on the Titan. Hulk has caught and held up an entire 150 billion ton Mountain Range in Secret Wars #4 and made the entire Colorado Rocky Mountain range quake with a single blow in The Incredible Hulk Annual #8!
@GreenScar90 ...The Hera quote about being vaporized is a clear indication that Hulk was in way over his head. Now, I'm not saying there is any shame in Hulk's loss. He was, however, just incredibly out-matched. Zeus is insanely powerful afterall and there's no point in trying to revise what happened. Not even the whole family of Hulks/Warbound could handle Zeus. Also, Hulk's fight with Thor in Thor 73 is cannon.
@staley1981 I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree when regarding the Hulk versus Zeus confrontation. I also have to disagree with you regarding that Hulk, Skaar, A-Bomb, She-Hulk, Korg, and Red She-hulk wouldn't be able to handle Zeus, because I think they're more than capable of handling him. In my honest opinion, Hulk can handle Zeus by himself. But, like I said, I respect your opinion, even if I don't agree with it.
@GreenScar90 Zues defeated Typhon a total of three times. He threw a mountain on top of him without struggling. Zues is a casual planet buster. He just wrecked the Hulk easily without effort. List all the inconsistant Hulk feats you want it change what just happened.lol.
@GrimmRebellion No, I list facts. You just don't like them because I providing proof and you can't even provide anything worthy of debate or arguement. Zeus went all-out in amping his strength and devine lightning attacks (his very fists encased with his most powerful godly energies that Hera claimed could incinerate the Hulk) against a calm Hulk who didn't fight back and wanted to sacrifice himself for his family.
@GreenScar90 What facts? Can you prove what you say? Nope. You cannot prove that Hulk was holding back, it was never stated in the comic (which I own). Oh more unproven BS:) Zeus held back, he even admitted to doing so when he agreed to fight on the Hulks Level, lol. You can't prove he amped his strength at all. He punched Zeus and charged at him multiple times, seems like fighting back:)
Look, Hulk isn't even in the top 58 most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe. Red Hulk is though. Red Hulk is 53rd. Beyonder is second. But I think Living Tribunal should be second. I really don't think Hulk can stand up to someone who can transfer him to another realm just by blinking. You are WAY overestimating the Hulk.
He wasn't trying to win. He wanted to die. He wanted to sacrifice himself so that his family would get what they deserved. In other words, Hulk held back greatly, stayed calm and allowed Zeus to beat him. That's a fact. Anyone who has read the issues following (Incredible Hulks #623-625) or before the confrontation (Incredible Hulks #612-620) knows it's the truth. In Heart of the Monster, it was even stated that the Hulk was holding back his rage for that entire year that these events took place
GreenScar90 1 day ago
@GreenScar90 i support u green these hater dont know what there talking about
GTKDYLAN 22 hours ago
@GreenScar90 I've heard that excuse before and it never made sense. Why would the Hulk think that letting Zeus beat him up would bring his family back? It's silly.
He went there to get Zeus to help his family, either by convincing him to do it or by beating him into submission and FORCING him to do it.
Zeus just completely outclassed him. That's really all there is to it. Writer Greg Pak himself said that even Hulk has limits and the story was meant to convey that.
demigawd 17 hours ago
@demigawd A-Bomb/Rick Jones was horribly injured and needed to be healed. Red She-Hulk/Betty Banner was insane and needed to be cured. Skaar and Korg needed a place to call home. It's not silly. It's noble and selfless.
Hulk and Banner knew that if they would pummel Zeus nearly to death, he wouldn't do it period. But if he tried to convince him or sacrifice himself to the Gods, then perhaps out of mercy Zeus would have given his family what they deserved.
GreenScar90 1 hour ago
@demigawd Some things cannot be accomplished through power, but by sacrificing oneself through any means to get their reward. In this case, Hulk and Banner decided to confront Zeus, remain calm, not fight back, and die with honor and hope that his family would be given what they deserve. That was what Greg Pak wanted to show. It wasn't that Hulk couldn't defeat Zeus, nor that he was outclassed. In fact, Hulk is one of the only beings whose power can challenge Zeus' own!
GreenScar90 1 hour ago
@demigawd In other words, Hulk and Sky-Fathers like Zeus & Odin are more evenly matched and near the same level of power then most would dare to admit.
GreenScar90 1 hour ago
wow u guys can argue but it is true hulk was holding back with zeus and he would take down superman just not with the professor its my opinion and my buddies all agree marvel is better just our opinion too but it was enjoyable to read what u guys had to say we liked all of it me and my buddies are combat vets and just reading your arguements shows us still has fight in them just makes us feel better thanks BUT the real question whos hotter she hulk or wonder woman look past the green skin though
naglister 2 days ago
Marvel would own DC. Thor, Hulk, and Silver Surfer alone would own all the heroes & villains of DC with ease.
GreenScar90 4 days ago
@GreenScar90 lol DC only needs batman and superman to beat all marvel, even if both entire universes collide DC still has a superiority in number, green, sinestro, red, black, blue, etc... corps, every corp has thousands of members across the universe, marvel would get owned badly...
goldenjavier 21 hours ago
silver surfer alone could beat the justice league marvel is way kooler n more powerful than dc that's my opinion all the heralds of galactus could be more than enough to beat dc n pl don't say superman could beat any herald cuz he can't plus there's still thor hulk dr doom apocalyspe eternity all the phoniexs n so on just saying
TheKobe24greatest 4 days ago
For more proof that Marvel is better than DC, let's see who has the better film coming out this year. The Avengers or The Dark Knight Rises? Let's see. The Avengers!
GreenScar90 5 days ago
Thor, Hulk, and the Silver Surfer could kick the crap out of everyone in DC Comics.
GreenScar90 5 days ago
@GreenScar90 , Yeah right Anti Monitor, Spectre, Superman prime, Krona, Parallax, are some DC chars that would make short work of SS & Hulk especially. Doomsday, Superman, ION, Black Adam, Captain Marvel, Orion, Darkseid would be enough to make them fight to their full potential. Hell I'm sure the good ole batman coud find some way to beat the hulk oh wait he already did LOL.
sfknns 5 days ago
Hulk lost because that was his and Banner's intention. Don't like it? Tough. Facts are facts.
GreenScar90 5 days ago
@GreenScar90 well out of curiosity, what do you see happening to the hulk were he to be zapped with the blast thor used on chaos king?
Fernando072295 5 days ago
@Fernando072295 Considering that even Thor's most powerful lightning attack is nothing compared to the one that Zeus striked Hulk with (which was the same size and power of the thunderbolt that toppled an very weakened Galactus during Chaos War, consumed the entire summit of Mt. Olympus. Proof is in one of the panels of Incredible Hulk #622), Hulk would just get back up and continue the fight. Besides, any level-headed fan agrees that Hulk, Thor, and Silver Surfer are equals.
GreenScar90 5 days ago
@Fernando072295 If you don't think Hulk & Thor are equals, then consider this. Both Hulk & Thor have defeated characters equal to or surpassing Pre-Crisis Superman.
GreenScar90 5 days ago
@GreenScar90 You think Hulk and Thor are pre crisis supes level? The Supes who moved a solar system with brute strength? OMG I'm done here, this is pointless. The fanboyism is too strong in you.
GrimmRebellion 5 days ago
@GrimmRebellion Pre-Crisis Superman pushed planets and snuffed out a star, which is nothing compared to what Hulk, Thor, and the Silver Surfer has done in their long history.
GreenScar90 5 days ago
Bottom line: Marvel owns DC. Marvel has better and more powerful characters, which are also more interesting and realistic. Any one of Marvel's top cosmic powerhouses could lay waste to the DC Universe. Examples The One-Above-All/GOD, Living Tribunal, Eternity, Galactus, Infinity, Death, The Celestials, etc.
Marvel's Heroes could beat the snot out of DC's heroes. Examples: Captain America, Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Hercules, Ms. Marvel, The Avengers, The X-Men, etc.
GreenScar90 5 days ago
I'm done here. Nothing else to prove because, like it or not, I've already stated the facts. If you don't like them. Fine. Then don't reply. I've got better things to do than waste my time with those who refuse to understand hard facts and logic.
GreenScar90 5 days ago
@GreenScar90 As I said, neither of us are right. But I take offense in you thinking you are. You need to grow up. You need to consider all the facts. You need to understand that no one is right or wrong. But you are making people angry because of the way you think your right. Truth is, you're probably just a man or boy trying to prove to himself that he and what he believes in is what everybody needs to believe in.
AoDPhoenix 5 days ago
lol vultures cant pierce hulk....
GreenGravity1 5 days ago
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Who's going to stand up to that? This is the real threat of characters like the Hulk. One of the worst technological dangers born out of the atomic age.This is why everyone except The One Above All/GOD, The Living Tribunal, Galactus, the Abstracts (Death, Eternity, Infinity, etc.) and Celestials should be scared.
Bottom Line: The Hulk is the Strongest One There Is!!!!
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GreenScar90 Well, not really as The One Above All can just kill him easily. Just think him out of existence is what he has to do. Anyway, not only can King Thor or Rune King Thor defeat WWH or Nul, but Lord Marvel would obliterate him. Lord Marvel being Captain Marvel turned Keeper of the Rock of Eternity.In theory, Marvel could eaither put his fist through the Hulks head at super speed or simply fly the Hulk in to space before the Hulk realised what was happening.
AoDPhoenix 6 days ago
@AoDPhoenix Also, Lord Marvel is Omnipotent in ALL the magic in the DCU, since he is the centre of it. He has the powers of every God, and every mystical being. He has great strength aswell. Enough that he is at Sky Father level in DC! You may not know how powerful the DC Gods are, but I can assure you they are many many times above Sky Fathers of the MU. Lord Marvel is much more powerful than Hulk at his best.......
AoDPhoenix 5 days ago
@AoDPhoenix ...Whilst battling the Spectre before he bacame LM and was still Captain Marvel, he was being powered by all of the magic in the DCU. His punches were shattering multiple dimensions. MULTIPLE. So if CM was only powered for a brief period of time, and LM was powered all the time, then LM is most definitely more powerful than any version of the Hulk. You say WWH ripped apart one dimension? Lord Marvel can destroy many dimensions in just a few punches.
AoDPhoenix 5 days ago
@AoDPhoenix Once again you proivde nothing but your own stupid opinion with very little facts. Lord Marvel is a lame hero, whom not only Hulk can trash, but a great deal of mystical powerhouses could tear apart with but a gesture. Don't even start with DC crappy gods and characters. I'll take Marvel over DC any day of the week, because other than Batman and his villains, DC has little to nothing to offer.Not to mention their storylines and characters are too much fantasy/unrealistic.
GreenScar90 5 days ago
@GreenScar90 It's not my opinion. I actually research this info and know some of it from memory of reading the issues that the info comes from. And you do know that saying Marvel is better than DC is nothing but your opinion? I think DC is better, but doesn't mean I'm right. You think Marvel better but it doesn't mean your right. I think Lord Marvel would thrash Hulk but You think Hulk would thrash everybody and LM. Neither of us is right.
AoDPhoenix 5 days ago
@AoDPhoenix Hulk didn't just rip apart one dimension. In fact, in the past during Bill Mantlo's run following Incredible Hulk #300. Hulk dispalyed such power that his mere blows threatened to tear apart hundreds of dimensions throughout the Crossroads of All Realities.
GreenScar90 5 days ago
The only time Hulk shows a significant amount of his real potential is in World-Breaker mode. In this state he's not just annoyed, or even little upset, he is unrestrained wrath. As the World-Breaker, he isn't just the Hulk standard tough, he's the worst and most volatile engine of mass destruction in the galaxy/universe.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
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If the Hulk is intent on smashing you and you're not super cosmiced-up, then say yours prayers. Even the big guys of the cosmos know not to invite trouble like that! If you're thinking of labeling the Hulk as some super powered thug who beats on most of everyone in the Marvel Universe then you might be right, but then again... doesn't everyone else do the exact same thing? When Hulk does it, it's fun to watch!
GreenScar90 6 days ago
If the Hulk wanted to become a menace, or even use his strength indiscriminately, then we're all in deep trouble (up a steep hill, a slippery slope, up the creek, down the river, etc). You get the picture?
GreenScar90 6 days ago
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Come on guys! How much good did a gamma bomb do when he was Bruce Banner? The more you nuke him(even with gamma bombs), the stronger he gets. You'd just be pumping him up and making him stronger, you hear? How you gonna stop the gamma engine of destruction? Beg? Give him a hug? Go get his girlfriend? Better call his buddy the Sentry or Thor. Oh, wait! That doesn't work very well if he's decided that he won't calm down and stop himself even a little bit.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
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The Hulk being many times more powerful than the gamma bomb. It takes a substantial amount of force to bother him, and much more to hurt/affect him before it ends up just making him stronger. You all know that even when the Hulk is hit with enough force to hurt him, it ends to little affect because he's just a guy who won't stay down for long because of his abilities. A gamma bomb does as much good as shooting or trying to poison wolverine but we all know Hulk is on another level of tough.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
If you have enough adamantium, you can contain small doses of gamma rays but they're not effetive on the Hulk. Don't even try the low tech way of trying to cut him with adamantium with an insuffiecient force of gamma burst to back it up. The Hulk's skin is hard to cut and much harder to cut deep.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
So you try to poison/or depower him through any means in order to physically cripple his strength. Well... he's resistant to that too. If you've got the cosmic muscle it might work but chances are it won't work and will just cause him to produce more gamma energy in response to the physical stress and resist it.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
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It's a simple concept even when talking about superpowers. After all it's just super power. An additional attribute(s) which normal humans don't have (It's all about what is and what is not when comparing the species along with how much material you're working with). If you're a big super dude in his class, then you'll feel like just when you think you've got him on the ropes he just bounces back from the brink. You throw the book at him, but all that blunt force just makes him stronger.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
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The more gamma energy he takes in and his body produces as a result, the stronger he gets. Just to clarify: His power does not comes from his anger. His anger does not make him strong. His anger just helps to increase the rate of energy absorbtion and production which makes him stronger. The Hulk is strong in the first place because of the great power of gamma rays, people! Why does nobody understand that?!
GreenScar90 6 days ago
You can only get so angry, but the Hulk does have to worry about that and overcomes this limitation since he's a living engine of gamma radiation. A powerhouse that he can draw upon the unlimited resource of gamma energy and continually expand his power whenever exerting himself. He takes in, adapts and augments his power according the the amount of energy he absorbs. He has the abilty draw upon and absorb to produce more energy, grow tougher, and get stronger.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
The only thing stoping him is his mind. Whether he wants to stop and controlling when he stops (he can always let it all go and turn back into Banner... for now). Please don't be confused as to think he has limitless anger. That is not the case. No matter how big or how strong, for any life form there is a limit to how much you push yourself physically/emotionally.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
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His energy escalation increase spikes on a whim even when he's not that angry since the Hulk is Banner's angry/emotional subconscious mind personified to begin with. Making Banner and the Hulk really angry is what can be troublesome. Anger increases the rate at which his vast strength continues to expand and there is no finfite limit to how much he can grow in power as the only thing needed is anger to draw upon the unlimited gamma energy that flows ambient throughout the entire universe.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
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His body uses, produces, absorbs, adapts,and expands in growth to gamma radiation. Hulk's strength and power grows the more radiation he takes in.The more he grows in gamma output/strength, the easier he absorbs radiation and at a higher exponential rate.Thought and feeling turned to emotion reaction is heightened greatly(mental side effects; focused mind/adrenaline rush/anger/fear/fight or flight)which requires him to maintain control of himself or risk unleashing his power to endanger others.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
Once again, I provide hard evidence and facts, and the rest of the Hulk-Haters or those who think they know the Hulk, or haven't even purchased the comics think they can outsource me? None of you like the facts, because you can't handle the truth.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
Oh, and the Gardener (with one of the Infinity Gems) and the Collector aren't super cosmic? And neither is Onslaught (armor & power Celestial levels) or Galaxy Master (rivals that of the most powerful Sky-Fathers)? These beings are more powerful than Surfer and rival the most powerful Sky-Fathers! Yes, Hulk can withstand the God-Blast. If you've seen or read every Hulk comic through the characters 50 + year history, you can see that he's taken much worse punishment.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
What a ripoff song...MOTORHEAD FTW!
riptorn311 1 week ago
hey is there anymore issues in the story line or is this the final chapter
bullshark67ify 1 week ago
I could go on to show more proof to support my facts, but I realize that I'm wasting my time. Hulk wanted to lose to Zeus, remained calm and didn't fight back, because he wanted his family to get the help they needed. The Hulk could have defeated Zeus and beat the SkyFather within an inch of his life, but would that have given his family what they needed?No, it would not, which is why he allowed himself to be beaten. Anyone who has read the issues that follow or happened before truly know it.
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 A few things should be pointed out: first, in Hulks 621 it says "another foolish hero rises to challenge the gods", which means means Hulk came to Olympus to rumble; second, while Hulk was at Olympus on behalf of his family, it doesn't say anywhere that Hulk deliberately threw his fight with Zeus; third, Hulk didn't defeat any Titans before confronting Zeus; and last, Hera says "among mortals you be be the strongest there is, but Father Zeus could vaporize you with a thought." ....
staley1981 1 week ago
@staley1981 Actually, Greg Pak indicated that Hulk did throw the fight and the part where he told his family to run before they "ruined everything" and Zeus & Hera remarked of Hulk's sacrifice and how he was deliberately doing so. And, no, there is no shame losing to a Sky-Father that is equal to Odin. If anything, the fight proves not only how selfless and heroic Hulk is, but also how powerful he is in a calm state.That easily puts him at least on Thanos-level, who got owned by Odin
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@staley1981 Hulk did withstand some of the most powerful attacks from Poseidon, Apollo, Artemis, Boreas, and fought an army of centuars, gorgons, and cyclops (who appeared to be the original three that helped the Gods defeat the Titans) before confronting Zeus and just mere hours from enduring the brutal confrontation with Devil Hulk, Amped Abomination, Amped Zom, and saving reality from the Chaos King by battling all the dark gods as Herc took on Mikaboshi.
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90, LoL you're delusional if you think hulk could beat a skyfather within an inch of their life. Hulk is better off sticking to his power set class of juggernaut, abomination, absorbing man, wonder man, hercules, doc samson, etc. Skyfathers are galaxy busters & casual planet busters hulk loses even on a bad day.
sfknns 6 days ago
Odin Force Thor is powerful, but I forgot to mention the time when King Thor killed Hulk.
AoDPhoenix 1 week ago
Hulk can never surpass Sky Father level power because Sky Fathers don't rely on their strength. Strength is not power. Can strength stop Hulk from being teleported to the center of the sun? Can strength punch back a God blast from Thor's Mjolnir?
AoDPhoenix 1 week ago
@AoDPhoenix The whole King Thor/Reigning storyline was total PIS bullshit and isn't even in 616 continuity. And he fought Professor Hulk and Thing. He impaled Professor Hulk, but even I know that even that incarnation has endured far worse than that!
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 What are you a retard? King Thor killed World Breaker Hulk (you know the one with the hammer) and The Thing simultaneously with one arm. in the Fear Itself story line.
AoDPhoenix 1 week ago
@AoDPhoenix Once again, you've mixed up and proven nothing. Thor battled Hulk and Thing, who were possessed by the entities Nul & Angrir during Fear Itself! Thor defeated Angrir-Thing, but fought Nul-Hulk to a standstill, admitting that he can't beat Hulk and that he never could, which allowed him to BFR Nul-Hulk from the battlefield before collapsing.
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@AoDPhoenix He didn't kill Nul-Hulk, idiot! Nul-Hulk went on a rampage across Darcula's kingdom until Hulk broke free of his possession by crushing Nul's hammer (which is equal to that and made of the same enchanted uru metal that Thor's hammer Mjolnir is created from)! Get your facts straight!
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 oh my God, please, you didn't read that issue did you. At the time Thor was King Thor and he simultaneously killed Nul-Hulk and thing with one arm. Nul-Hulk went flying up into orbit!! Your an asstard. Don't tell me to get my facts straight. You can even research it on the internet for crying out loud!
AoDPhoenix 1 week ago
@AoDPhoenix It was in Thor Reigining storyline that Rune King Thor killed a regular Thing and Professor Hulk. It was in the latest Fear Itself storyline that Thor defeated Angrir-Thing and fought Nul-Hulk to a standstill before BFR'ing Nul-Hulk and collapsing from exhaustion while Nul-Hulk continued to rampage in Dracula's Kingdom. Get your facts straight, idiot!
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GreenScar90 And Thor Reigning was an alternate universe storyline, not in the regular Marvel 616 Universe.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GreenScar90 WTF!? I'm talking about the mainstream continuity. Did you even read my comment? King Thor is different to Rune King Thor. And Rune King Thor is apart of the mainstream continuity aswell.
AoDPhoenix 6 days ago
@AoDPhoenix BTW, WWK or WBH has never proven to be stronger or mor powerful than King Thor or any Sky Father level being in a fight.
AoDPhoenix 6 days ago
@AoDPhoenix Ripping the Dark Dimension asunder isn't on Sky-Father level? Killing a ultra amped Fin Fang Foom, Lord Armageddon (an equal to the Silver Surfer), Wendigo, Bi-Beast, all the Mindless Ones (which not even Umar or Dormmamu could accomplish and their mystical might rivals Sky-Fathers), demons, monsters, and goblins within seconds? Let's see. What's larger? A galaxy or dimension? Answer: A Dimension.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
So when even he is World Breaker Hulk he cannot defeat the Odin Force Thor who was at the same level as Odin. My point is you can't say what you don't know is real. It's possible but it's never happened. It probably won't either. Don't call me a retarded insect because you know by being a whiny little bitch you could believe in something thats not true. Face it, you are just saying all of this because YOU WANT IT TO BE TRUE when it's not.
AoDPhoenix 1 week ago
@AoDPhoenix I've got proof and you don't. It just irritates you that I'm right and you're wrong. Hulk destroyed an entire dimension/cosmos/universe in Incredible Hulk #126 with a thunderclap! Destroyed a weapon created by the Gods to fight the Celestials in Incredible Hulk #242-243! A God-Blast from Thor's Mjolnir couldn't kill Hulk. Hurt him, yes, but he's taking far worse than that. In fact, he's taken beatings worse than Zeus given him and fought back and defeated his enemies.
GreenScar90 1 week ago
In that very same issue, the Hulk annihilated the Dark Dimension, ripping it completely asunder from his power output alone!
GreenScar90 1 week ago
You simply do not like the facts that which are shown and proven. Greg Pak and Marvel even stated that if OdinForce Thor would have fought the Green Scar/Green King Hulk instead of the Sentry, the outcome would have been the same. Hulk's power levels in World War Hulk were at a point where he was more powerful than any mortal and most immortals, super-powerful cosmic enity or otherwise, to ever walk the Earth. And it was revealed that even then Hulk was holding back in Incredible Hulks #634!
GreenScar90 1 week ago
Odin is not omnipotent, but his Odinforce actually grants him nigh-powerful abilities. He has actually teleported beings to the very edges of the universe with a blink of his eye and sent them away to unbreakable cages. So do more research please and stop being a complete RETARD on the internet.
AoDPhoenix 1 week ago
@AoDPhoenix I know my facts, you insolent insulting retarded insect! If you ask anyone who is level-headed, they would tell you that Hulk, Thor, and the Silver Surfer are equals, but the'r abilities/powers have limits, which the Hulk can surpass! And I never said Hulk could defeat The One Above All or the Living Tribunal, idiot!
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 No you said, Hulk could challenge any of these beings, I thought you meant by challenge he could fight and win. I never said Sky Fathers are on the same levels as those cosmic beings. I said even Odin is just a spec to the likes of Living Tribunal or The One Above All. How do you know Hulk can defeat Sky Father level beings? He has never beaten them. He lost to an Odin Force Thor, when he was World Breaker Hulk, who was a Sky Father at the time. Did good, but stood NO chance.
AoDPhoenix 1 week ago
@AoDPhoenix Onslaught raw power and armor are Celestial level in might. Hulk defeated him. Galaxy Master is on the same power level as Sky-Fathers (Incredible Hulk #111-112 & Incredible Hulk #269-270). Hulk destroyed him. Hulk defeated the Gardener (one of the elders of the Universe who possessed one of the Infinity gems at the time in Incredible Hulk #247-248) and the Collector (another elder of the Universe in Incredible Hulk #198).
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@AoDPhoenix In that What If: World War Hulk story, OdinForce Thor and Green Scar fought to a standstill. In one of Pak's original scripts, it was OdinForce Thor who battles Hulk in the end instead of the Sentry and loses in the end.
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 sorry, the hulk can't "surpass" the god blast especially at full force. Hulk has never defeated a cosmic being. hulks best feats are taking on a whole team of avengers & stalemating the sentry. Sky-fathers aren't on the level of higher level cosmic beings but they for sure are higher than hulk & most other mortals. the cosmic power leveled beings start with heralds like silver surfer & the then the sky-fathers & go up from there hulk has no chance get over it!
sfknns 6 days ago
@AoDPhoenix Hulk nor any Sky-Father are on the level of Eternity, Galactus, Death, Infinity, etc. Can Hulk match and surpass aSky-Fathers in power? Yes, if you think realistically about his powers. Can he challenge the most powerful cosmic beings? Yes. Can he defeat them? No. Can the Sky-Fathers? No.
GreenScar90 1 week ago
You are the most arrogant hulk fan ever. You insulted me when you called me a Hulk Hater. He is one of my favourite comic book characters of all time. Are you really stupid enough to think that Hulk could destroy everything in the MU. EVEN THE ONE ABOVE ALL OR LIVING TRIBUNAL!? No, not even at his best, nor Odin or Zeus. Like you said before: Can they Destroy him? Yes Odin can, he can send him away to the center of the hottest star in the universe and let him burn forever, and he can't fly.
AoDPhoenix 1 week ago
You can't just say Hulk can do anything if he hasn't shown it yet. Besides, you just rely on his brute strength. No, only idiots woud think of the Gods such as Thor or Odin and Zeus as Omnipotent and on the same level as The One Above All/GOD. Odin is just a spec to even the Living Tribunal. He is o the same level as a human is to himself when compared to the Living Tribunal. Also, Living Tribunal is second only to The One Above All, as he is literally Omnipotent, but not omniscient, omnipresent
AoDPhoenix 1 week ago
....I like Hulk because he is the strongest one there is. I liked because he WAS the strongest one there is before all of the cosmic characters or god like Thor came along "Stan Lee himself stated: How do you make a character who is stronger than the strongest one there is...You make him a God" when he created Thor. He intended for him to be stronger and more powerful. You can personally e-mail any Marvel artist or inker etc and ask them who is stronger. They WILL say Thor.
AoDPhoenix 1 week ago
Now, if Hulk learns how to harness and truly unleash the limitless power of gamma rays, one day he might be able to rival Galactus in a similar manner that Tyrant used to rival the World-Devourer when Tyrant was first created.
GreenScar90 1 week ago
What disgusts me even more is those who think that Odin, Zeus, or Thor are comparable to beings like The One Above All/GOD, the Living Tribunal, Eternity, Galactus, Infinity, and the Celestials! At his most powerful, Hulk could challenge any of these being with the exception of the One Above All/GOD or Living Tribunal, but even I am willing to admit that he couldn't defeat them... at least not in his current stage.
GreenScar90 1 week ago
I find it to be very hypocritical when people thinks it okay if Thor defeats Sky-Father level powerhouses, yet cry foul when Hulk does the same thing. Proven fact that most who post here or follow Fernando072295 are just pure Hulk-Haters who can't stand it when the Green Goliath does something with his bare hands that Thor can't accomplish without his hammer Mjolnir, his father's OdinForce, or his father's armor or weapons (like the sword Ragnorak).
GreenScar90 1 week ago
God forbid if Hulk would seek revenge on Zeus and kill the Sky-Father later down the road! Then all the haters and Thor pricks would lose their minds! You all act that Hulk isn't capable of defeating/killing Sky-Father level beings, but he has! Onslaught, whose armor and raw power were Celestial level in power. Hulk defeat him. Galaxy Master, whose power rivals that of Sky-Fathers. Hulk destroyed him too!
GreenScar90 1 week ago
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Hulk can beat that guy no Odin can beat the other guy bla bla bla Stan Lee is GOD in the Marvel universe and he can do whatever he wants just using his pencil so stfu with who is better or whatever
dbogdan06 1 week ago
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Hulk can beat that guy no Odin can beat the other guy bla bla bla Stan Lee is GOD in the Marvel universe and he can do whatever he wants just using his pencil so stfu with who is better or whatever
dbogdan06 1 week ago
Hulk can beat that guy no Odin can beat the other guy bla bla bla Stan Lee is GOD in the Marvel universe and he can do whatever he wants just using his pencil so stfu with who is better or whatever
dbogdan06 1 week ago
Guess that answers the "Hulk vs. Kratos" debate. Kratos FTW.
critter505 1 week ago
How about you all worry about whats going in, "YOUR WORLD!" the "REAL WORLD!"
LasVegasStripT 1 week ago
Nobody here seems to think about Hulk's power realistically, especially when considering he has a limitless source of one of the most powerful energies known to exist that can empower him beyond even the Gods themselves! The Beyonder himself stated that the Hulk's power was infinite, and if the words of one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe doesn't convince you, then you're just in denial... or a pure Hulk-Hater.
GreenScar90 1 week ago
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AoDPhoenix 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 The hulks power is not infinite, the sentry has proven this multiple times. Zues has proven it, thanos has proven it, Juggernaut has proven it, wolverine has proven it, the Amomination has proven it, Red hulk has procen it. Evryone I've listed has KOed the Hulk. The beyonders claim means nothing, he is an idiot. Plain and simple. He wields vast power but fials at using it effectively.
GrimmRebellion 1 week ago
@GrimmRebellion Hulk's power is infinite! Zeus was going against a calm Hulk, not even near Green Scar level of rage or power and even farther from World-Breaker power levels! The only time Red Hulk, Abomination, or Wolverine got the best of Hulk was when they faced weaker incarnations such as the Savage Hulk or Gray Hulk. Once again you prove to know nothing.
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 His power is not infinite, he has been overpwered by Juggernaut, Sentry, Wendigo, Abomination, Thanos, Red Hulk, Thor, etc... the list goes on man. OMG Green Scar is WWH, if you haven't noticed the Green Scar is always more calm than the Savage Hulk. He has better control of his rage and thus is stronger. lol
GrimmRebellion 1 week ago
@GrimmRebellion Once again, you prove to know nothing. In every confrontation, Hulk has pretty much owned and stopped the unstoppable Juggernaut more than once(Incredible Hulk #172, Incredible Hulk #404, Incredible Hulk #457, and World War Hulk: X-men #2-3). Thanos wielded the Infinity Gauntlet and pretty much owned everyone, so that doesn't matter. Abomination's got kicked around and defeated numerous times. Red Hulk and Thor have likewise gotten their asses kicked from the Hulk
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 The Juggernaut koed the Hulk, look it up, he was not even wearing his amor when he did it. lol. The Hulk has never won against Juggernaut without BFR. He simply can't. Even the Green Scar had to BFR him. lol. Abomination nearly killed the Hulk twice in the old days and currently has soloed the Gama Family, including Green Scar. lol. Red Hulk manhandled the Savage Hulk, hulk needed Abom and Thor to soften him up. lol
GrimmRebellion 1 week ago
@GrimmRebellion Yes, because Red Hulk was created by the very energy (a fraction of the World-Breaker Hulk's energy to be precise. He fought the Hulk family, but he certainly didn't defeat them and even then was extremely amped by the Chaos King as was Zom, idiot! Juggernaut KO'ed Professor Hulk by surprise and knocked him out two issues later from the mental backlash of freeing himself from mind control!
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GreenScar90 More fanboyism, priceless, your user name is very fitting:) Yes, resort to more name calling when your argument fails., hahaha Abomination was not amped by the Chaos King:) Dr. Strange stated that he had gotten stronger simply by sirviving in hell for so long. Juggernaut Koed the Hulk, live with it:) Hulk has never and will never do the same.
GrimmRebellion 6 days ago
@GrimmRebellion Abomination was amped by the Chaos King! During his first confrontation with the Hulk Team, A-Bomb/Rick Jones notices and Abomination confirms it. Strange simply said he was the strongest in the underworld, even before the Chaos King killed the lords of hell.
A-Bomb: You're stronger than you used to be, huh?
Abomination: Yes, Rick Jones, my master has perfected me.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GreenScar90 lol
GrimmRebellion 5 days ago
@GrimmRebellion Yes, Juggernaut sneak-attacked and KO'ed the Professor Hulk. Two issues later (Incredible Hulk #404), Professor Hulk knocked out the Juggernaut. And in Incredible Hulk #457, Juggernaut was seconds away from being decapitated. In World War Hulk: X-Men #2, Hulk KO'ed Juggernaut again. So... what was that you were saying that Hulk could never do the same, eh? :)
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GreenScar90 Hulk did not knock out juggernaut, I just reread every issue you listed, try again:) WWH Koed a depowered Juggernaut, as soon as Juggs got his full stength back Hulk had to resort to BFR, as always. Lol
GrimmRebellion 5 days ago
@GrimmRebellion Yes, a weakened not fully powered Juggernaut, but still Juggernaut nonetheless. Hulk KO'ed a fully powered Juggernaut in Incredible Hulk #404, so there's my proof.
GreenScar90 5 days ago
@GrimmRebellion You obviously know nothing of the Hulk, his personas, or even his power levels which are beyond comprehension. It doesn't even pay for me to waste my time on you morons.
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 I know more than you, obviously, since I'm not being bloinded by fanboyism ;) his incarnations strength levels vary widely. Some are capable of fighting Sentyr while others have been slaughtered by wolverine. lol.
GrimmRebellion 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 World Breaker is Hulk at his strongest, he shattered city blocks and nearly sunk half a continent by walking, but was still defeated by a satilite laser beam. Green Scar is the second strongest form of the Hulk. He has been matched by juggernaut and Sentry. And KOed by Zues, brutally. His loss to Zues is his most devasting defeat yet. Any of the cosmics you me ntioned would blink him out of existence.
GrimmRebellion 1 week ago
@GrimmRebellion Once again, people like you prove to know nothing. The Beyonder is a being whose power makes Sky-Fathers look like insects by comparison. Hulk wanted to be stopped in World War Hulk, because if he wouldn't have allowed himself to do so, he would have torn the planet to pieces with a few footsteps... and it took only one to nearly sink a good portion of the U.S. continent! World-Breaker fully unleashed annihilated the entire Dark Dimension!
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 OMG... another fanboy:) The beyonder is an idiot, he lost to Doctor Doom. Hulk wanted to be stopped, ok, that didn't mean his power suddenly decreased. He lost control he was releasing world shattering amounts of power. But still was defeated by a satilite:) Beta Ray Bill one shottede a planet, and he is below Zeus. World Breaker has done no such thing. Stop pulling shit out of your ass.
GrimmRebellion 1 week ago
@GrimmRebellion He was holding back and wanted to be stopped, idiot! He even stated that in Incredible Hulks #634, and it that very same issue he annihilated the Dark Dimension! This is a fact, Hulk-Hater!
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 He lost control of his power moron, lol, that's why he wanted to be stopped. He had reached a level of power that he could not control! Do I need to dumb that down for you! lol I love hulk fanboys!
GrimmRebellion 1 week ago
@GrimmRebellion If anyone is a moron, it's you. He was holding back and wanted to stop because he was starting to lose control!
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GreenScar90 Coming from the guy who thinks Hulk is Sky Father level? Lol dude, gotta love fanboys ;)
GrimmRebellion 6 days ago
@GrimmRebellion Well, at least I've got proof to support my claims, unlike you. You have done nothing.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GreenScar90 I have stated the obvious and pointed out flaws in your arguments, you have yet to prove anything. Well except that Hulk fanboys are just as dumb as I remember. :)
GrimmRebellion 5 days ago
@GrimmRebellion It is you who ignore facts and prove nothing. If anything, you've proven to be ignorant of comics, the events that take place, storylines, and everything else.
GreenScar90 5 days ago
@GrimmRebellion So what that Beta Ray Bill one-shotted a planet? Big deal! Gray Hulk, one of the weaker incarnations, shattered an asteroid twice the size of Earth in one blow (In Marvel Comics Presents #52)! He overpowered and destroyed the Crypto-Man, whose power was greater than Thor's and capable of shattering Earth (Incredible Hulk #205)! Overpowered and BFR'ed a warrior madness Thor (Incredible Hulk #440)! Once again you prove nothing, little gnat!
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 And yet hulk had to reach his strongest incarnation to be able to break the earth. lol you make no sense :). Hulk was defeated by a freaking wendigo, something sabretooth killed. Need I say more? lol
GrimmRebellion 1 week ago
@GrimmRebellion the current hulk is capable of destroying the dark dimension, which he's actually done. SO point n point.
ertren6 1 week ago
@ertren6 Exactly! Hulk even destroyed an entire dimension/cosmos/universe before in Incredible Hulk #126, for crying out loud! Then when Hulk destroys the Dark Dimension in Incredible Hulks #634, the haters and Thor/Sky-Father Hypocrites get all ticked because it just irritates them that The Hulk can do things without some mystical weapon, armor, or GodForce/OdinForce.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GrimmRebellion No, we haven't see Hulk at his most powerful! He could shatter planets with a single blow if he wanted, or even a few footsteps, but he holds back out of fear of killing everyone and everything. It is fear of his vast power that forces himself to restrain himself!
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GrimmRebellion Dr. Doom is not to be taken lightly, idiot! He's one of the smartest beings in Marvel.
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 Doctor Doom is smart, ok, he is not a cosmic being capable of creating galaxies with his thoughts. The Beyonder is. If Doom were as dangerous as you believe he would not lose to The Fantastic Four so often. He lost to Sentry, a being who is far below the Beyonder. He lost to Thor who is not even Sentry level. lol
GrimmRebellion 1 week ago
@GrimmRebellion Dr. Doom's intelligence is more than enough to best even the most powerful beings under the right circumstances. The only reason he loses is because of his arrogance and the fact that Reed Richards intellect rivals his own.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GrimmRebellion We haven't seen Hulk at his most powerful yet! The World-Breaker is powerful, but it is still only a fraction of the real potential that he's capable of! Hera bragging about Zeus being able to destroy him with a thought is just her being arrogant as always. If Odin, who is an equal to Zeus, would challenge him, Hera would make similar threats to try to scare him. Like Hulk told her and Zeus: You can't scare me!
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 Odin says Zeus is his equal because of his wisdom and his respect for Zeus. Odin literally has the power to send Hulk to the edge of the Universe with just the blink of his eye as I already have said. You need to do more research on the people you say Hulk could so easily defeat even at his best.
AoDPhoenix 1 week ago
@AoDPhoenix Yeah, they could do that, but could they destroy him? No, they can't. But it doesn't pay for me to argue with you or anyone else here, because most of you here a nothing but Hulk-Haters. Bottom Line: If Hulk wanted to defeat Zeus, if Hulk wanted to beat him within an inch of his life, if he wanted to kill Zeus... he could do it! However, it wouldn't get him what he wanted, which was to help his family. Thus, Hulk instead chosen to throw the fight and sacrifice himself.
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 You are really arrogant. Thinking you know everything. I am a DC fan. My top 3 heroes are Batman, Captain America and Captain Marvel. Hulk, is my 4th favourite hero of all time. I like Batman because he is the most skilled and most strong willed in the DC Universe. I like Captain America because he always fights for the good purpose. And Captain Marvel because he is just a kid but he knows to fight for good. And kids tend to be selfish. read my next comment on the vid....
AoDPhoenix 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 World Breaker is his strongest, they stated in the comic, herll marvel said it. Fanboyism blinds you. You are bases you arguement on opinion, you can't prove any of this, I can prove everything I said. Zues has defeated the entire avengers including Thor, he's defeated the Titans, all of them are easily above hulk, Zeus has always considered Odin his equal and Hera knows this, she and other Greek Gods have always shown him repsect because of his power.
GrimmRebellion 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 But the Hulk is obviously below Odin and Zues and so she boasted honestly, seeing as Zues manhandled the hulk easily.
GrimmRebellion 1 week ago
@GrimmRebellion Hulk intentionally throwed the fight. He wanted to die. He willingly sacrificed himself to give his family. He didn't fight back, stayed calm, and allowed Zeus to go all-out on him. That doesn't make him below their level. Zeus defeated the Avengers, Including Thor. So has Hulk on numerous occassions. Zeus didn't defeat the Titans alone, for he had help from all the other Greek Gods of Olympus. Hulk defeated the monsters and titans before confronting Zeus.
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 Can you prove this? From what I can see Hulk attempted tgo defeat a God and lost fair and sqaure, even on his own terms. Only fan boys try to make up imaginary reasons for why thier fav just lost. lol dude, you crack me up. Hulk has never defeated the entire avengers, stop making shit up. Zues defeated the strongest of the Titans, while being outnumbered at some point. Hulk defeated a bunch of lo tier centours and cyclops, no titans.
GrimmRebellion 1 week ago
@GrimmRebellion Want proof? I've got it. Incredible Hulks #623- Hulk stated himself during a conversation with She-Hulk and the others just 24 hours after fighting Zeus, and I quote:
She-Hulk: This isn't right.
Hulk: That's what I was trying to explain to Zeus. But the Gods aren't going to help us.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GreenScar90 No where in that sentence does he claim to be holding back, also he only tried talking to Zues when it became clear that Zeus is his superior in combat:)
GrimmRebellion 6 days ago
@GrimmRebellion
You want proof? Fine. As always, I've got to educate those who merely insult or act like total jackasses to make themselves feel good because they can't handle the facts. Zeus didn't hold back in amping his strength nor the very devine lighting that encased his hands! Zeus said he would beat Hulk to death, but that doesn't mean he was going to hold back in the very least. Zeus without amping his strength is only Class 90 ton strength.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GreenScar90 As I said before non of what you say can be proven, you can state baseless claim after baseless claim, it's not going to make it any more true. Zeus said and nearly did it with his bare hands, you can't prove that the lightening increases his strength or not and even if it did, the Hulks strength increases as well so it really doesn't matter. Zues without amping lifted a mountain, if you think that is 90 tons then I really feel sorry for you.
GrimmRebellion 5 days ago
@GrimmRebellion I've give hard facts and true claims, while you can't offer anything to support your false claims and asshole antics. Hulk lost because he wanted to, thus remained calm
GreenScar90 5 days ago
@GreenScar90 Absolute bullshit; a pathetic attempt by a Hulk fanboy; Zeus cleaned his clock with a massive display of power-Hulk seemed pretty revved up to me; but he got OWNED by Zeus-yes, nice to be able to use the Hulkamaniacs favorite word.
As to DC-Superman, Mon-El,Supergirl, Ultra-Boy, the Spectre, Black Adam, Captain Marvel, and Dr. Fate are tough cookies.
RPenta 2 days ago
@GrimmRebellion If you don't like the truth, don't respond because I've best your pathetic claims since the first post and offered solid facts, while you've yet to deliver anything.
GreenScar90 5 days ago
@GrimmRebellion Hulk has withstood 100 trillion tons of force from an impact of Skaar's Old Power strike, which sent him crashing hundreds of miles away, shattering a mountain in West Virginia and got right back up unharmed! Zeus, even with amping his strength enough to break Hulk's ribs and send a massive chunk of Mt. Olympus crashing down with the Hulk atop the very sea monster the other Hulks were fighting.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GreenScar90 I have that comic too, Skaar never hit Hulk with that much force, hain;t nearly that strong. He simply can control the earths tecttonic plates and use them as a weapon, other than that his base strength is less than the Hulks. Are you really trying to compare Skaar to Zeus? The kid who couldn't even take down one of Zeus's pets or the kid who stalemated Ares? lol
GrimmRebellion 5 days ago
@GrimmRebellion Incredible Hulks #611. 100 trillions tons of force. I've got you long figured out. You just look over scans and think you know, but you don't know shit!
GreenScar90 5 days ago
@GrimmRebellion My point is this. Hulk's healing factor can overcome anything, unless he is in a very calm state of being, because collapsed lung and broke ribs are nothing to the Hulk. Skaar used the Old Power to literally shred Hulk's flesh and rip through his bones like a hot knife through butter, Vector burnt Hulk's flesh down to nearly a skeleton only to have him recover in seconds!
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GreenScar90 The Hulk as been killed in many different timelines, the Sentinels killed him before, Hyperion killed him, Thanos killed two of him, Zeus could have killed him but chose not to. Skaar is not comparable to anyone I mentioned.
GrimmRebellion 5 days ago
@GrimmRebellion Zeus wanted to kill him, but failed. Alternate realities are BS. I'm talking Marvel 616, where the characters and everything matters!
GreenScar90 5 days ago
@GrimmRebellion By the way, the King Hyperion that killed Hulk from that other universe came into the Marvel 616 Universe and got owned by a depowered Juggernaut and the Thunderbolts!
GreenScar90 5 days ago
@GrimmRebellion Zom punched holes through Hulk and blasted him with destructive mystical energies, only for Hulk to soon recover once again and defeat the powerful demon. Therefore, in order for Zeus to harm Hulk, he had to amp his strength to the max along with the very devine lightning bolts (the very same that Hera claimed that could vaporize Hulk with a gesture/thought with) and Hulk had to remain calm in order to not bounce back and beat the living hell out of Zeus.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GreenScar90 Sentry pushed Hulks healing to it's limits, wolverine as Death sliced up the Hulk so bad he passed out and then Wolverine dragged him back to theXavier Institute. Oh here we go again, you can't prove Zues amped anything. for all we know the lightening is a natural ocurrence or just electrifies his enemies but does not increase strength. Yeah Hulk was calm? This is WWH he always looked less angry than his savage cointer part. He lost get over it.
GrimmRebellion 5 days ago
@GrimmRebellion Sentry didn't push shit. Zeus official strength is 90 ton class without amping. Look it up or read official Marvel Guides! You once again know nothing!
GreenScar90 5 days ago
@GrimmRebellion Want more proof. Hulk told his family to leave. There was method to his madness. He was sacrificing himself. He wanted to die. Thus he remained calm and allowed Zeus to win.
Hulk: Get out of here! Before you ruin everything!
Then, once Hera approached to brag like the bitch she has always been in comics and mythology, Hulk once again clearly stated his attentions and why he wasn't fight back.
Hulk: Doesn't matter... just give them what you owe them.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GreenScar90 I want proof period. Hulk told them to stay out of the battle because he wanted to defeat Zeus on his own. How hard is that to understand? It's pretty clear.
Hulk never stated that he wasn't fighitng back he simply believed that the Gods owed him and his family and came there to collect.
Thanks for proven my arguement:)
GrimmRebellion 5 days ago
@GrimmRebellion That is proof. Ask any level-head comic book reader or ask the writer Pak himself, who even explained in several interviews that Hulk losing to Zeus was his intentions.
GreenScar90 5 days ago
@GrimmRebellion Hulk, Ares, Hercules, and Athena alone defeated the titans, the giants, and all the other enemies of Olympus that escaped from Tartarus... including Cronus (Hulk vs. Hercules: When Titans Collide). Zeus and Hercules even stated that if the Sky-Father and the Greek Gods went to war against the Hulk that it would raise Mt. Olympus itself (Hulk vs. Hercules: Unleashed).
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GreenScar90 zeus beat the absolute (green) snot out of hulk. no question. and with only his fists.
boywonder228 6 days ago
@boywonder228 Not just with his fist, but fist encased with his powerful devine lightning (the very same that Hera claimed could vaporize/incinerate Hulk with a thought/gesture.). As to Hulk losing, that was clearly his and Banner's intention from the very beginning. He wanted to die. He wished to selflessly sacrifice himself for his family, so that they would get what they needed. Which is why he remained calm, didn't fight back, and let Zeus beat him.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GreenScar90 whatever helps you sleep. just because he planned to die doesn't mean he wasn't trying to win. it means he knew he couldn't win.
boywonder228 1 day ago
@GrimmRebellion Zeus barely managed to defeat Typhon. In fact, Typhon defeated Zeus in their first encounter It was in the second fight that Zeus defeated Typhon by slamming Mt. Etna on the Titan. Hulk has caught and held up an entire 150 billion ton Mountain Range in Secret Wars #4 and made the entire Colorado Rocky Mountain range quake with a single blow in The Incredible Hulk Annual #8!
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 ...The Hera quote about being vaporized is a clear indication that Hulk was in way over his head. Now, I'm not saying there is any shame in Hulk's loss. He was, however, just incredibly out-matched. Zeus is insanely powerful afterall and there's no point in trying to revise what happened. Not even the whole family of Hulks/Warbound could handle Zeus. Also, Hulk's fight with Thor in Thor 73 is cannon.
staley1981 1 week ago
@staley1981 I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree when regarding the Hulk versus Zeus confrontation. I also have to disagree with you regarding that Hulk, Skaar, A-Bomb, She-Hulk, Korg, and Red She-hulk wouldn't be able to handle Zeus, because I think they're more than capable of handling him. In my honest opinion, Hulk can handle Zeus by himself. But, like I said, I respect your opinion, even if I don't agree with it.
GreenScar90 1 week ago
@GreenScar90 Zues defeated Typhon a total of three times. He threw a mountain on top of him without struggling. Zues is a casual planet buster. He just wrecked the Hulk easily without effort. List all the inconsistant Hulk feats you want it change what just happened.lol.
GrimmRebellion 1 week ago
@GrimmRebellion No, I list facts. You just don't like them because I providing proof and you can't even provide anything worthy of debate or arguement. Zeus went all-out in amping his strength and devine lightning attacks (his very fists encased with his most powerful godly energies that Hera claimed could incinerate the Hulk) against a calm Hulk who didn't fight back and wanted to sacrifice himself for his family.
GreenScar90 6 days ago
@GreenScar90 What facts? Can you prove what you say? Nope. You cannot prove that Hulk was holding back, it was never stated in the comic (which I own). Oh more unproven BS:) Zeus held back, he even admitted to doing so when he agreed to fight on the Hulks Level, lol. You can't prove he amped his strength at all. He punched Zeus and charged at him multiple times, seems like fighting back:)
GrimmRebellion 6 days ago
@GreenScar90/myvine/thesupremebeing/top-58-marvel-cosmic-beings/75-30731/?page=2
Look, Hulk isn't even in the top 58 most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe. Red Hulk is though. Red Hulk is 53rd. Beyonder is second. But I think Living Tribunal should be second. I really don't think Hulk can stand up to someone who can transfer him to another realm just by blinking. You are WAY overestimating the Hulk.
AoDPhoenix 1 week ago